Comments on: Pork Report Exposes $4 Million ‘Polar Express To Nowhere’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:50:35 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Pork Report Exposes $4 Million 'Polar Express To Nowhere' « News Coctail http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-3570376 Pork Report Exposes $4 Million 'Polar Express To Nowhere' « News Coctail Mon, 09 Apr 2007 05:57:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-3570376 [...] ‘Polar Express To Nowhere’ Filed under: Uncategorized — recar @ 5:58 am Pork Report Exposes $4 Million ‘Polar Express To Nowhere’ And guess who’s behind it… our own Ted Stevens.[news] [world & business] [political [...] [...] ‘Polar Express To Nowhere’ Filed under: Uncategorized — recar @ 5:58 am Pork Report Exposes $4 Million ‘Polar Express To Nowhere’ And guess who’s behind it… our own Ted Stevens.[news] [world & business] [political [...]

]]> By: arbogop http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2167773 arbogop Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:41:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2167773 I don't like Stevens any more than the rest of you, but I have to say that this project is not quite as ridiculous as it sounds. Alaska currently has one railway line. It runs from Seward, on the south coast, through Anchorage, also on the coast, up to Fairbanks, in the interior. This extension would continue the line to Delta Junction, also in the interior. The point is not to connect North Pole and Delta Junction, but to connect Delta Junction to the south coast. I don't think we need to be funding this with federal money. However, to present it as a worthless little railroad between two tiny villages is either ignorant or dishonest. I don’t like Stevens any more than the rest of you, but I have to say that this project is not quite as ridiculous as it sounds.

Alaska currently has one railway line. It runs from Seward, on the south coast, through Anchorage, also on the coast, up to Fairbanks, in the interior. This extension would continue the line to Delta Junction, also in the interior. The point is not to connect North Pole and Delta Junction, but to connect Delta Junction to the south coast.

I don’t think we need to be funding this with federal money. However, to present it as a worthless little railroad between two tiny villages is either ignorant or dishonest.

]]> By: nikolai http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2163666 nikolai Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:44:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2163666 Yeah, the old fart is probably building an advance road to the oil fields all right, and almost every Alaskan is behind it because they get a cut every year, something like $1200 apiece. It's going to be hard keeping the oil companies from plundering Alaskan wilderness with these ready made whores in abundance. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want $1200 to destroy my home state, but I know a lot of people from my home state would, rich, poor or middle class as money talks and people can be greedy a$$holes. Yeah, the old fart is probably building an advance road to the oil fields all right, and almost every Alaskan is behind it because they get a cut every year, something like $1200 apiece. It’s going to be hard keeping the oil companies from plundering Alaskan wilderness with these ready made whores in abundance. I’m sorry, but I wouldn’t want $1200 to destroy my home state, but I know a lot of people from my home state would, rich, poor or middle class as money talks and people can be greedy a$$holes.

]]> By: Brian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2158014 Brian Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:36:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2158014 Your Right ....Sounds Like a Perfect Place For Another FEMA Camp.. Welcome To The New World Order Its look there planning something, maybe the society/army base of the future…Somethings going to be out there if not already is. Comment by Michael — March 10, 2007 @ 11:00 pm Your Right ….Sounds Like a Perfect Place For Another FEMA Camp..
Welcome To The New World Order

Its look there planning something, maybe the society/army base of the future…Somethings going to be out there if not already is.

Comment by Michael — March 10, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

]]> By: Pollywogs! » Blog Archive » Pretty quiet… http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2153842 Pollywogs! » Blog Archive » Pretty quiet… Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:00:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2153842 [...] Ted Stevens is a fucking ass licking shit eating rabbit raping cluster fuck of a pile of crap.  Seriously, he is the worst kind of person, right above serial killer…just barely above that (while human life is ‘invaluable’, $200 million is A GIGANTIC SHITLOAD OF COLD HARD CASH). [...] [...] Ted Stevens is a fucking ass licking shit eating rabbit raping cluster fuck of a pile of crap.  Seriously, he is the worst kind of person, right above serial killer…just barely above that (while human life is ‘invaluable’, $200 million is A GIGANTIC SHITLOAD OF COLD HARD CASH). [...]

]]> By: Michael http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2151354 Michael Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:00:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2151354 Its look there planning something, maybe the society/army base of the future...Somethings going to be out there if not already is. Its look there planning something, maybe the society/army base of the future…Somethings going to be out there if not already is.

]]> By: Chris http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2151196 Chris Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:52:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2151196 Delta Junction is where the Missle Defence Interceptors are installed. Currently, the only way in there is plane or highway. A rail line would make it much easier for the DoD to upgrade the site. Delta Junction is where the Missle Defence Interceptors are installed. Currently, the only way in there is plane or highway. A rail line would make it much easier for the DoD to upgrade the site.

]]> By: bruce jenkins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2148321 bruce jenkins Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:50:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2148321 Alaskan's are conservative rednecks for the most part. That is why a guy as stupid as Ted is and has been a senator for 100 years! Alaskan’s are conservative rednecks for the most part. That is why a guy as stupid as Ted is and has been a senator for 100 years!

]]> By: Jay http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2145597 Jay Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:15:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2145597 This so called "pork-barrel" project is to fund construction on the only highway leading to the Alaskan Capitol. Just because the stretch of road to be improved happens to be between two small villages, does not mean its not a major highway project. For example, if i said that there were plans for road improvements between a tiny town called Yucaipa and a small community called Beaumont in California you would think it was a waste, but if I further told you that it was Interstate 10, and part of the road between Los Angeles and Palm Springs, you might change your perspective. Just change the search on the google maps link above to go between any city in the continental US and Fairbanks AK, and you will see it routes you through this “Polar Express to Nowhere” Not exactly Nowhere when you think of it that way now is it? This so called “pork-barrel” project is to fund construction on the only highway leading to the Alaskan Capitol. Just because the stretch of road to be improved happens to be between two small villages, does not mean its not a major highway project. For example, if i said that there were plans for road improvements between a tiny town called Yucaipa and a small community called Beaumont in California you would think it was a waste, but if I further told you that it was Interstate 10, and part of the road between Los Angeles and Palm Springs, you might change your perspective. Just change the search on the google maps link above to go between any city in the continental US and Fairbanks AK, and you will see it routes you through this “Polar Express to Nowhere”

Not exactly Nowhere when you think of it that way now is it?

]]> By: Arne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2145586 Arne Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:12:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2145586 Remember that Senator Stevens might just drive down that road and since his constituents will not vote him out for flagrant waste and stupidity, he won't have to use it often. We need to vote all the Pigs out of office and get some responsible balance the budget, cut the spending patriots in office. In the meanwhile, let's rename the members of both legislative branches - SenaPigs and CongressPigs. Seriously: This is why every President really needs a line item veto! The freedom to pork-barrel a bill and stab the tax-payers in the process is reason enough to remove all the SenaPigs and CongressPigs from office. They have no conscience or concern for the good of this country! Remember that Senator Stevens might just drive down that road and since his constituents will not vote him out for flagrant waste and stupidity, he won’t have to use it often. We need to vote all the Pigs out of office and get some responsible balance the budget, cut the spending patriots in office. In the meanwhile, let’s rename the members of both legislative branches – SenaPigs and CongressPigs.

Seriously: This is why every President really needs a line item veto! The freedom to pork-barrel a bill and stab the tax-payers in the process is reason enough to remove all the SenaPigs and CongressPigs from office.

They have no conscience or concern for the good of this country!

]]> By: Mike http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2145201 Mike Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:44:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2145201 Hacker bob, you have to remember that some people actually believe that there are some good people in congress called Democrats. Of course there are some of us that realize that both parties are champions of pork. Hacker bob, you have to remember that some people actually believe that there are some good people in congress called Democrats. Of course there are some of us that realize that both parties are champions of pork.

]]> By: alaskan phil http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2144528 alaskan phil Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:46:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2144528 Ethan is right on the money... the ridiculous lack of knowledge that is fueling this anti-Stevens talk is alarming to me. The fact that no one has recognized that nearly 100,000 people live in the Fairbanks bureau of Alaska (Fairbanks is 18 miles from North Pole) and that a rail line between Fort Greely in Delta Junction and Eielson Air Force Base in North Pole would actually cut down significantly on emissions since military vehicles that would normally make that trip are known gas hogs really bothers me. Please look deeper into these issues before making blank statements that help no one. While Stevens' bridge to nowhere was a pretty dumb idea, this could really help develop a growing area of Alaska. These areas are already developing and don't encroach on state parks (only military land), so all you angry tree huggers can sit down as well. Ethan is right on the money… the ridiculous lack of knowledge that is fueling this anti-Stevens talk is alarming to me. The fact that no one has recognized that nearly 100,000 people live in the Fairbanks bureau of Alaska (Fairbanks is 18 miles from North Pole) and that a rail line between Fort Greely in Delta Junction and Eielson Air Force Base in North Pole would actually cut down significantly on emissions since military vehicles that would normally make that trip are known gas hogs really bothers me. Please look deeper into these issues before making blank statements that help no one. While Stevens’ bridge to nowhere was a pretty dumb idea, this could really help develop a growing area of Alaska. These areas are already developing and don’t encroach on state parks (only military land), so all you angry tree huggers can sit down as well.

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2124181 hacker bob Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:06:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2124181 TP, how come my post pointing out the $502,525,000 of Democrat pork was not posted? TP, how come my post pointing out the $502,525,000 of Democrat pork was not posted?

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2123688 hacker bob Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:34:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2123688 Can I post today? Can I post today?

]]> By: criticalthinker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2121985 criticalthinker Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:30:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2121985 All the things Dale mentioned that are made from petroleum, do not have to be made from petroleum. They are only made from petroleum because it is cheapest to do so at this time. Plants and their oils (including hemp seed!) can be used to make every single one of those products he mentioned. People lived without petroleum before the 1800's, and people can live without it the future. All the things Dale mentioned that are made from petroleum, do not have to be made from petroleum.

They are only made from petroleum because it is cheapest to do so at this time.

Plants and their oils (including hemp seed!) can be used to make every single one of those products he mentioned.

People lived without petroleum before the 1800’s, and people can live without it the future.

]]> By: test http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2116301 test Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:52:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2116301 The line would run between several military bases and an oil refinery and the entire area is relativelyBuilding rail systems for transport will decrease CO2 emissions in the long term. I’m a long time reader of this website but I’m rethinking mydeals, but I do like the truth. Get it right The line would run between several military bases and an oil refinery and the entire area is relativelyBuilding rail systems for transport will decrease CO2 emissions in the long term.
I’m a long time reader of this website but I’m rethinking mydeals, but I do like the truth. Get it right

]]> By: Ethan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2115654 Ethan Fri, 09 Mar 2007 06:38:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2115654 This article is not exactly showing an accurate picture. The population density of North Pole and Delta Junction is larger than is depicted. Most people live outside the city limits; as is the case in many Alaskan communities. The line would run between several military bases and an oil refinery and the entire area is relatively industrialized. Building rail systems for transport will decrease CO2 emissions in the long term. Something that America needs to wake up to. I'm a long time reader of this website but I'm rethinking my choice after reading this article. PS- I have no love for Stevens or Republican ideals, but I do like the truth. Get it right This article is not exactly showing an accurate picture. The population density of North Pole and Delta Junction is larger than is depicted. Most people live outside the city limits; as is the case in many Alaskan communities.

The line would run between several military bases and an oil refinery and the entire area is relatively industrialized.

Building rail systems for transport will decrease CO2 emissions in the long term. Something that America needs to wake up to.

I’m a long time reader of this website but I’m rethinking my choice after reading this article.

PS- I have no love for Stevens or Republican ideals, but I do like the truth. Get it right

]]> By: Dave http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2108723 Dave Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:13:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2108723 Politics makes strange bedfellows. CAGW is an an astroturfing organization, that has previously worked for the tobacco lobby and the Microsoft lobby. This report may say what we want to hear, but any connection between what they say and the truth is purely coincidental. I'm sure Senator Stevens' characterization of them as idiots is entirely inaccurate -- they're probably making good money doing this. For a little more info see http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Citizens_Against_Government_Waste Politics makes strange bedfellows. CAGW is an an astroturfing organization, that has previously worked for the tobacco lobby and the Microsoft lobby. This report may say what we want to hear, but any connection between what they say and the truth is purely coincidental. I’m sure Senator Stevens’ characterization of them as idiots is entirely inaccurate — they’re probably making good money doing this.

For a little more info see http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Citizens_Against_Government_Waste

]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2108166 Raymond Funamoto Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:05:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2108166 Ted Stevens, Jim Inhofe and Pete Domenici ARE THREE FOUR-EYED repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm ARROGANT BOMBASTIC IMBECILES and COWARDLY BULLIES--I WOULD TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN PUNCHING THEM ALL HARD IN THE FACE AND BREAKING THEIR GLASSES INTO THEIR EYES--THEN SPLAYING THEIR NOSES, BREAKING THEIR CHEEKBONES, KNOCKING THEIR MISERABLE TEETH OUT OF THEIR LYING MOUTHS!!!! WHAT WHAM WHAM!!!! NOW THAT FELT REALLY GOOD FOR AMERICA AS WELL!!!!! TIME TO KICK THESE THREE EVIL F*CKS OUT OF OFFICE IN 2008 ALONG WITH OTHER rightwingnut repugnant-repub fudge-pachyderms of the G(houlish) O(pportunistic) P(edophile) party!!!!! Ted Stevens, Jim Inhofe and Pete Domenici ARE THREE FOUR-EYED repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm ARROGANT BOMBASTIC IMBECILES and COWARDLY BULLIES–I WOULD TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN PUNCHING THEM ALL HARD IN THE FACE AND BREAKING THEIR GLASSES INTO THEIR EYES–THEN SPLAYING THEIR NOSES, BREAKING THEIR CHEEKBONES, KNOCKING THEIR MISERABLE TEETH OUT OF THEIR LYING MOUTHS!!!! WHAT WHAM WHAM!!!! NOW THAT FELT REALLY GOOD FOR AMERICA AS WELL!!!!! TIME TO KICK THESE THREE EVIL F*CKS OUT OF OFFICE IN 2008 ALONG WITH OTHER rightwingnut repugnant-repub fudge-pachyderms of the G(houlish)
O(pportunistic) P(edophile) party!!!!!

]]> By: Brian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/comment-page-2/#comment-2103015 Brian Fri, 09 Mar 2007 02:29:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/08/stevens-north-pole/#comment-2103015 As an Alaskan, I feel I should add something.. Sen. Stevens is a friggin moron.. (it's getting to the point where I'm feeling a little embarassed) - with every election I am further flabberghasted that this man retains his office (much like how I felt after Bush 'won' his 2nd term). It's worth mentioning that Alaska is surprisingly republican - there's a lot of oil money up here, and you know how rich folks can be. As an Alaskan, I feel I should add something.. Sen. Stevens is a friggin moron.. (it’s getting to the point where I’m feeling a little embarassed) – with every election I am further flabberghasted that this man retains his office (much like how I felt after Bush ‘won’ his 2nd term). It’s worth mentioning that Alaska is surprisingly republican – there’s a lot of oil money up here, and you know how rich folks can be.

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