Brazilian Reactions To The U.S. President: Then And Now
Brazilian Reactions To The U.S. President: Then And Now
More than six years after President Bush assumed office, the global view of the United State’s role in world affairs has significantly deteriorated. A recent BBC world poll reported that even in the past two years the U.S.’s reputation around the world has gone “from bad to worse.”
The practical fallout of “the Bush effect” has been on full display in Brazil, where only 19 percent of the nation has a favorable opinion of him. A review of news reports from President Clinton’s trip to Brazil 10 years ago demonstrate how much times have changed:
Christian Science Monitor, 10/15/97:
[I]t was his trip to a Xerox-sponsored sports center in the Rio slum of Mangueira that won the hearts of many Brazilians and caused a TV commentator to tell his viewers that Clinton’s speech had him on “the verge of tears.” … [Clinton] ignored the Secret Service’s rigid security by shaking hands and allowing admirers to hug and kiss him. Some gave him shirts and caps emblazoned with the logo of the slum’s carnival group. “He looked liked a happy kid finally let loose on the streets,” said Jamelao, one of Mangueira’s most famous samba personalities. Clinton waved a Brazilian flag, listened to samba music while hitting a tambourine, and kicked a soccer ball with Brazil Sports Minister Edson Arantes do Nascimento, the legendary ex-player known as Pele.
BBC, 3/9/07:
Clashes broke out in Brazil’s largest city as US President Bush arrived at the start of a six-day regional tour. At least 20 people were injured in clashes with riot police in Sao Paulo after thousands turned out to protest against George W Bush’s visit. … In Sao Paulo, about 10,000 people spilled out along one of the city’s broadest avenues, in the heart of the financial district, banging drums, waving red flags and carrying banners reading “Bush Go Home.” … Many of the demonstrators are angry at the war in Iraq and the proposed ethanol deal, which they say is an attempt to control the country’s production of the bio-fuel which powers eight out of 10 new cars in Brazil.
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It is upside down world. The more the world hates us, so the Bush Cultists say, the safer we are!
Yep, 6 years of unfettered Republicanism have left America in debt, fighting three wars at once, China on a military and political ascendency, the Cold War with Russia re-igniting, the homefront politically divided, worldwide terrorism increasing, debts, dysfunctional government and cynicism at all time highs.
The triumph of Republicanism at its acme!
Heckuva job.
-GSD
March 9th, 2007 at 11:28 amVery perceptive, those Brazilians!
March 9th, 2007 at 11:29 amAmazing what a difference a president “of the people” can make in others perceptions of our country! Viva Clinton! Down Bush!
March 9th, 2007 at 11:29 amOf course, the Kool-Aid swillers will be on shortly to spin this one, using the same ignorance that lead to these demonstrations in the first place.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:30 amDON’T FORGET
CLINTON SIGNED NAFTA INTO LAW!!!!!!!!
March 9th, 2007 at 11:30 amTheres NOT a country in the world that Bush would not get BOOOhded at …….. even if Bush went to antartica the Penquins would demonstrate
Whats its like having a President that aint welcome ANYWHERE in the world
March 9th, 2007 at 11:32 amHeh.
Bubbleboy will be totally insulated from the protests.
Fora Bush.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:32 amWhats its like having a President that aint welcome ANYWHERE in the world
Comment by Tobey Tall
Shameful.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:33 amBrazilians clear away the brush, so they can see better.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:34 amit seems that the brazillian ppl have a hell of a lot more sence than 30% of the ppl in america give’em hell brazil and then some
March 9th, 2007 at 11:34 amI am interestedin hearing more about this ‘ethanol deal’. Is Bush proposing the Brazilians limit their production of biol-fuels to benefit the oil companies? Hmmm?
March 9th, 2007 at 11:35 amMust be very embarasing for Americans having a president who must be the most hated man in the world since the BIG BANG
March 9th, 2007 at 11:35 amETHANOL
Sadly, that’s not enough. Ethanol may sound like the kind of “friendly” energy the world has been waiting for. But for ethanol production to rise to the levels Mr Bush is hoping for, huge amounts of the world’s remaining forests will have to be cut down and turned over to corn or sugar cane.
The existing hectarage devoted to agriculture will not be remotely large enough to produce the quantity of fuel needed. In other words, paradoxically, a growing reliance of renewable energy may accelerate the destruction of the rainforests we so desperately need to moderate the planet’s temperature. Besides, according to the World Conservation Union, growing corn uses far more energy than the finished fuel produces.
There is another downside to the ethanol boom. As demand rises, the price of the cereals from which it is partly made soars as well. Tortilla prices in Mexico are already surging as a result of ethanol demand in America. This threatens the precarious livelihoods of many of the world’s poorest people.
To simply shift from fossil fuel use to ethanol is not going to get us out of our dilemma. It’s not going to “save the planet”, or not alone. That will require a sharp reduction in fuel consumption, too. The question is whether Mr Bush, other world leaders, or the public, for that matter, have taken this fact on board.
THATS WHY BUSH WANTS ETHANOL
March 9th, 2007 at 11:40 amToby, no it is not embarasing it is shameful and many of us grieve as well for the losses our dictator has caused….Blessings
March 9th, 2007 at 11:41 amDON’T FORGET
CLINTON SIGNED NAFTA INTO LAW!!!!!!!!
Comment by Deniz Yeter — March 9, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Yup, that’s worth remembering - so is Al Gore’s loyal defense of that policy, especially in debate with Ross Perot…. That’s the question I would like to ask Al, if I could…
March 9th, 2007 at 11:41 amThe surge is working:
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Fisherman Haider Kamees can tell you that the new Baghdad security plan is starting to work — he’s pulling more fish and fewer bodies out of the Tigris river.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:42 amBush: I am here in Brazil, which is a big country by the way..heh..heh, to complete a deal in the makin’ of ethanol. We are asking the Brazilian government to cut down more of that big forest they have so that they can grow more sugarcane which would help save the environment. Makes perfect sense to me.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:43 amCareful Tobey, TP is on the ethanol bandwagon - you’ll get your stuff deleted: http://www.gminsidenews.com/ forums/ archive/ index.php?t-35777.html
Ethanol: different drug, different pushers, same result.
How are you doing getting Tony B. charged with peerages for money and stopping him upping the Trident fleet (cementing it’s dependence as Amerika’s 51st state) in flagrant disregard for the spirit of the NPT?
March 9th, 2007 at 11:45 amHelluva job, McChimpster!
March 9th, 2007 at 11:48 amAnybody seen that worthless piece of shit TrumpMaster Monkey?
If you see it, tell it I am looking for it.
There’s a new sheriff in town.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:48 amThe rest of the world appears wiser and more cohesive than we Americans do. Just because a country is considered third-world and the people are poor, does not mean the folk are ignorant, like our own government would like to have us think. Unlike President Bush, there ARE some leaders of foreign nations who do not sleep with every single company and corporation in town and put the thumb-screws to any citizens who do not embrace thier policies put forth. I hope La-La gets an eyeful but I don’t expect her eyes will open any wider than the mere slits already are.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amAnybody seen that worthless piece of shit TrumpMaster Mickey?
If you see it, tell it I am looking for it.
There’s a new sheriff in town.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:49 amthis thread certainly made the trolls defensive.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:51 amThe surge is working:
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Fisherman Haider Kamees can tell you that the new Baghdad security plan is starting to work — he’s pulling more fish and fewer bodies out of the Tigris river.
Comment by Real RedNeck — March 9, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I call bullshit. You ain’t no real redneck. You give rednecks a bad name.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:52 am“Trumpmaster Mickey” sez (multiple times):
Looks like I really got under rachel’s skin when I exposed her as a plagairist, a liar, and a fraud earlier this week.
Sorry, rachel, but I’m not going anywhere. ^_^
March 9th, 2007 at 11:53 amAnybody seen that worthless piece of shit TrumpMaster Mickey?
If you see it, tell it I am looking for it.
Comment by TrumpMaster Mickey
This has to be the stupidest person alive. Please stop breathing.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amOoh, Patrick1BrainCell was zapped by TP - presumably for typing nonsense….
March 9th, 2007 at 11:54 amthis is a load of crap!
they just hate our freedom!
(/idiot-speak)
March 9th, 2007 at 11:55 amFora Bush!
March 9th, 2007 at 11:55 amYou weanie teeny-brained liberals just haven’t learned have you? It is Clinton’s fault that Brazil’s view of the U.S. has deteriorated. If Clinton had not set the bar so high, Bush’s mediocre or below par performance in regards to other countries would not look so bad in comparison. Clinton didn’t care about America, he just wanted to make Bush look unpresidential and ignorant.
/sarc off
March 9th, 2007 at 11:57 amwhatever portion of the 29% that is “the American Farmer” just left the building - heckuva job dubbie!!
he’s just stoked that his petropals will have more cheap “cut” to add to their product - hasn’t been that good a deal since he and his frat bro’s got that pharma grade cut for their blow back in the day. man, did they ever make $ on that, selling shit that was maybe 10% pure to the fresh-soph partiers, and keeping all the 70% for themselves. good times.
March 9th, 2007 at 11:59 am13.ETHANOL
March 9th, 2007 at 11:59 amTobey Tall
What about all the set aside farm land so that there’s not a surplus of grains to keep prices up?
The midwest is corn country - not the rain forest.
Because tortilla prices are getting high in Mexico we should forget the whole idea. Its too hard.
In addition when the primary reason for growing some corn is ethanol instead of taste or storage ability for feed hybridization can be used to make a corn easier to grow towards that end.
Oooh and some days the sun doesn’t come out and then solar energy is too frightening.
Give me a break.
“BAGHDAD (AFP) - Fisherman Haider Kamees can tell you that the new Baghdad security plan is starting to work — he’s pulling more fish and fewer bodies out of the Tigris river.
Comment by Real RedNeck — March 9, 2007″
However if a reporter had reported that fishermen were pulling bodies out of a river a few weeks ago they would have been accused of focusing only on the bad news.
Now it is important for the media to note that things are NOT as terrible as they used to be.
Hooray! Martial Law and daily intrusions into peoples’ houses by armed military prevents violence!
Maybe we can bring such conservative values home with us! Starting next week I propose a movement to allow the US military into all houses in redstates to prevent any forms of violence! While the US troops are in your houses they should have access to your computers and your e-mails and your banck records too.
Then America will be safe!
-GSD
March 9th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI always come back to the thought that I read once somewhere that Bush wants to bring about the apocolypse so Jesus may return.
As much as I disbelive religion - I DO beleive that Bush may honestly think that - and if Bush can find a way to make things worse, he will. I beleive that the more protesters there are, the happier he is.
The more terrorists there are, the more the world hates us, the better. I really do beleive he wants that.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:02 pmNo big issue, Brazil is full of sin. It doesn’t suprise me that they would embrace another sinner (Bill Clinton). Knowing that Bill received oral, and because they’re a country that thrives off the prostitution market, close ties do exist between Clinton and Brazil. He may have visited Discoteca Help a couple of times. Long story short, once the world views that outcome of this war (5-10 years), people, worldwide, will embrace our President. I can’t wait until December to have a conversation with these people about Jesus, especially in the Copacabana Beach district.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:02 pmThat nazi swastika replacing the s in “Bush” , hmm a very clever idea.Should be copyrighted.These brazilians seem to watch reality as it is, unlike the fart-right conservative morons at home.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:04 pmPursuing Ethanol as a “solution” to the energy crisis is comparable to an alcoholic switching to light beer to cure their alcoholism.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:04 pmClinton didn’t care about America, he just wanted to make Bush look unpresidential and ignorant.
/sarc off
Wow that Bill Clinton was visionary and powerful!
March 9th, 2007 at 12:07 pmHe wished for it and Bushie performed.
George W. Bush–PRESIDENT OF THE FUTURE!
He may suck now, but wait 30 years you’ll really love him!
-GSD
March 9th, 2007 at 12:08 pmgeez — how come brazil doesn’t have freedom zones where citizens are secluded in tightly-controlled and out of the way areas like that beacon of democracy, the u.s. of a.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:08 pmLong story short, once the world views that outcome of this war (5-10 years), people, worldwide, will embrace our President.
I wouldn’t hold my breath on that if I were you.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“I can’t wait until December to have a conversation with these people about Jesus”
you should extend that conversation to include scooter and newt
March 9th, 2007 at 12:09 pmJesus has returned already! His name is George W. Bush!
Jalepeno!
-GSD
March 9th, 2007 at 12:09 pm#35,
Never been to Las Vegas, or Atlantic City, or Miami, or New York, or Los Angeles, or Atlanta, or Dallas I see. The activities in just those few cities dwarf the shenanigans that you so cavalierly and ignorantly claim Brazil is awash in.
I also find it telling that you have your diapers in a twist about Mr. Clinton receiving a BJ and yet you applaud Mr. Bush for giving them.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:11 pmGeorge W. Bush–PRESIDENT OF THE FUTURE!
He may suck now, but wait 30 years you’ll really love him!
-GSD
Hey GSD, do you think we’ll all be alive in 30 years to see if Daryll’s pipe-dream prediction will come true?
March 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pm35. No big issue, Brazil is full of sin. It doesn’t suprise me that they would embrace another sinner (Bill Clinton). Knowing that Bill received oral
Comment by Daryll
Darryl just because you can’t find anybody male or female to perform said act doesn’t make it a sin. Maybe if you didn’t spend so much time trying to perform said act on yourself you could get your head out of your ass.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:13 pmKnowing that Bill received oral, and because they’re a country that thrives off the prostitution market, close ties do exist between Clinton and Brazil.
Daryll, you really should capitalize Mr. Roberts first name. But, thank you for the information that Mr. Roberts is involved in prostitution - I did not know that!
March 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmDaryll helped me plan my next vacation, Cococabana beach district. Maybe I’ll see him there.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI’ll be 68 in 30 years. I’ll keep an eye on it for the team.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:17 pmDaryll, Bush is a coke abuser and a dry drunk. He has lied about his time in service and he broke his promises to the american people. Bush is a sinner. For that matter, so are you and I.
Does the Bible frown on oral? Where’s that passage?
March 9th, 2007 at 12:20 pmHow dare Bill Clinton recieve what good Christian Redstate Minister Ted Haggard so freely gave!
-GSD
March 9th, 2007 at 12:22 pm#35-
“No big issue, Brazil is full of sin.” -Daryll
There’s no reason to read beyond this statement. Really, no reason at all. It’s wrong on SOOOOO many levels.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:22 pmEverything that Bush touches has turned to lead.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThis has worked out very well for those heathen Brazilians, having my son visit thier deplorable country. They are so brown, uncontrollable and prone to outbursts of dance in the streets, anyway.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:24 pmMust be very embarasing for Americans having a president who must be the most hated man in the world since the BIG BANG
Not embarrassing for 70% of us in the least … we didn’t vote for him, either time. We hate him as much as everyone else does.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhy does Bush go to countries that don’t want him or the USA there? I would leave if I was him and take every penny of aid with him. If you don’t like us, we certainly don’t have to like you. We have nothing that important to gain from nothing countries like that anyways. I say move on and deal with more important countries.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:25 pm#55- I second that! I’m not embarrassed for something I did not contribute toward. I only wish his demise would hasten.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPlease stop breathing.
Comment by dlet
You dont die that way. You just faint and then the body recovers automatically the breathing pace. We need to recommend efficient measures. ;)
March 9th, 2007 at 12:28 pmCheck this out [from http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070309/ ap_on_fe_st/ guatemala_bush_purification;_ylt=ArzwM.D5LUTWljJGBiBDjgQDW7oF ]
Mayan priests will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate “bad spirits” after President Bush visits next week, an official with close ties to the group said Thursday.
“That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and their culture,” Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders, said Thursday.
Bush’s seven-day tour of Latin America includes a stopover beginning late Sunday in Guatemala. On Monday morning he is scheduled to visit the archaeological site Iximche on the high western plateau in a region of the Central American country populated mostly by Mayans.
Tiney said the “spirit guides of the Mayan community” decided it would be necessary to cleanse the sacred site of “bad spirits” after Bush’s visit so that their ancestors could rest in peace. He also said the rites — which entail chanting and burning incense, herbs and candles — would prepare the site for the third summit of Latin American Indians March 26-30…
March 9th, 2007 at 12:28 pmBrazil is full of sin
Comment by Daryll
Thank God.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pmDaryll, Bush is a coke abuser and a dry drunk. He has lied about his time in service and he broke his promises to the american people. Bush is a sinner. For that matter, so are you and I.
Does the Bible frown on oral? Where’s that passage?
Comment by hellinabucket — March 9, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
It does when you’re committing adultery. Bush “was” a drug addict, but he has turned his life over to Christ. Can’t say much about Clinton. Anyway, this oil pact between Brazil and our country will benefit both of us (especially Brazil).
March 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pmWhy does Bush go to countries that don’t want him or the USA there?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Um, what countries would you have him go to? Where are we so loved…?
March 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmDaryll,
Addicts never become non-addicts, they manage thier addictions. Get a clue.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhat a uniter our ‘pres” is. And all Clinton did was get a sloppy blowjob.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#56- If Bush didn’t have something to gain and something to extort, he wouldn’t BE there. He’s a f*ing parasite and a bloodsucker from a political standpoint, and a shitty turd from a human standpoint.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmBush and Lula signed an ethanol contract. Say good bye to the Amazonas.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmHmmmm….I tried to post this before, bit for some mysterious reason, it didn’t go through. Let’s try again:
Frontline
Volume 17 - Issue 07, Apr. 01 - 14, 2000
COVER STORY
A wave of protests
In a unique show of solidarity, all the Left parties staged demonstrations and organised public meetings and conventions to protest against what they called the blatantly imperialist, interventionist, hegemonic and expansionist agenda of the U.S.
PROTESTS were witnessed also in Pakistan and Bangladesh, two other countries Clinton visited. The Labour Party of Pakistan (LPP) held a demonstration on March 22 outside the U.S. Consulate in Lahore despite a ban announced by the Gen. Pervez Musharraf go vernment on political rallies and strikes. Members of the LPP carried placards which read “Clinton go back”, “Killer Clinton”, and “Killer of Iraqi children” and raised slogans against U.S. imperialism. They pointed out that the visit was a conspiracy ag ainst the working class. They appealed to the trade unions and the working class in the subcontinent to protest against Clinton’s visit as it was aimed at pushing the imperialist economic agenda in order to exploit the region.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmAudit: FBI snooping did not follow rules
POSTED: 12:30 p.m. EST, March 9, 2007
• Rules on when and how FBI could access private information violated
• Demands for private information may have been underreported by
20 percent
• Attorney general orders FBI to clean up process
• Patriot Act, passed after 9/11, allows warrantless searches of records
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The FBI is guilty of “serious misuse” of the power to secretly obtain private information under the Patriot Act, a government audit said Friday.
Ahh yes I remember it like it was last year. The rightards kept saying that this power was necessary and the government will not abuse it.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThank God.
Comment by Juan C
:-D
March 9th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by Exley — March 9, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
It’s a fair point, Clinton did face protests when he travelled abroad. I don’t think anyone is denying this. However, the post is comparing a Clinton visit to a Bush visit in Brazil.
Whether you like it or not, the current Bush administration has seriously damaged the perception of the US abroad and it’s going to take an awful lot of effort to get the rep of the US back to 1999 levels.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pmDaryll sez: “…Busch has turned his life over to christ…”
March 9th, 2007 at 12:42 pmwell, it is obvious he’s out of control…
And, oh, Monsanto is the big winner in Brazil, all of the corn to be grown is genetically modified, because there are no restraints on its use in South America…
Comment by Exley — March 9, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Exley, I assume you’re attempting to drag Clinton into the picture yet again to attempt to make the case that similar abuses occurred under Clinton’s tenure.
Two problems with that.
First, why do you think pointing out the misdeeds of a prior President excuses the current one to commit similar misdeeds? On the contrary, if it was wrong then, it’s wrong now, right? It’s truly amusing to watch you try to simultaneously condemn Clinton and exonerate Chimpy with the same argument.
Second, the misdeeds of the prior administration, wrong though they were pale into utter insignificance next to the monstrous damage this administration has done to this country and the world in general, as they pursue their fanatical vision of a global world hegemony.
Next time you attempt to defend this administration, at least make the attempt to do it without mentioning Clinton. Continually doing so just makes you look even more stupid and deluded.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:42 pmWhether you like it or not, the current Bush administration has seriously damaged the perception of the US abroad and it’s going to take an awful lot of effort to get the rep of the US back to 1999 levels.
Comment by UKBristolDave
Well said, UKDave. I wish it weren’t so.
Nice try, Exley. I know you’ll keep trying to be right.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pmDaryll
How did you “divine” that Bush has accepted Christ and Clinton has not? You have absolutely NO justification for such a conclusion other than pure bias and consumption of kool-aid provided by the radical Christian Pharisees.
I now officially appoint you as a U.S. judge and rename you “Judge Mental”.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pmUK
Fair enough. I realize that the post was supposedly only about a difference between presidential visits to Brazil. But the subtext of the posting was that Clinton and the U.S. were unconditionally beloved by the entire world in the 1990s and that Bush and the U.S. are complete’y hated now.
I just wanted to point out that there is almost always a segment of society that will come out and protest a U.S. president’s visit, regardless of who he or she is.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#61 - It does when you’re committing adultery. Bush “was†a drug addict, but he has turned his life over to Christ. Can’t say much about Clinton…
So… what do you claim your “religion” says about Emperor Bush turning his a** over to Jeff Gannon for frequent use in the WhiteHouse? Isn’t that a BIG Bozo No-No?
Then there’s the laundry list of GOP sex scandal “victims” who, I’m quite sure, are quite knowledgeable about adultery. Here’s a short list:
Newt Gingrich
Rudy Guilliani
Bob Barr
Mark Foley
Jim Bakker
Dick Army
Robert Bauman (16 year old boys!)
Louis Bares (his own pre-teen children!)
Andrew Buhr (13 year old boy!)
John Allen Burt (15 year old girl, well at least he got the sex right)
Keola Childs (15 year old boys)
Kevin Coan (14 year old girl he met on the ‘net)
Carey Lee Cramer (8 year old girls!!!)
Paul Crouch (gay affair)
Peter Dibble (13 year old girl)
Larry Dale Floyd (8 year old girls!!!).
.. ah…cr*p… the list is TOO FREAK’N LONG!!! The rest are found here: http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals
At least Clinton knew a saucy wench when he saw one. Not sure ReighWingNuts know what’s a legal age woman and what’s not.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmExley,
March 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmIs that the same Pakistan that is currently harboring Osama bin Laden and gave nuclear information to North Korea? They were protesting the abuse the US was imposing on Iraq since Bush I made war with them? They were the ones protesting Clinton. Unbelievable. I’m shocked I tells ya.
I now officially appoint you as a U.S. judge and rename you “Judge Mentalâ€.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
Ouch! PLC’s on fire today….
March 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmone of the functions of the presidency is being a diplomat. bush just isn’t good at that function. kind of like how he’s not good at eating pretzels.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI see you are a Commie sympathizer. There are places for you out in Wyoming.
You are also an armed “survivalist kook”
I expect the government will be seeing you very soon.
Prove me wrong.
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March 9th, 2007 at 12:53 pmdiet,
You must be a fat bitch.
Work on that.
Heh.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBrazilians know that Bush is a Nazi-fascist, but many in the US are clueless drones.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:54 pmdiet,
You must be a fat bitch.
Work on that.
Heh.
Comment by TrumpMister Mankey
Actually it’s dLet.
You must be a blind drunk.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:57 pmWork on that.
Heh.
TripMaster,
My point seems to have eluded you. I suggest you read my response to UK at posting #76. The point of my posting is not to criticize Clinton at all (You really must get over your persecution complex), but rather to point out that an American president is almost always subjected to protests by a certain segment of society when he or she travels abroad.
By acknowledging that Clinton too was faced with (sometimes violent) protests in nations such as India, Greece, and Bangladesh, we see that this idea posited by ThinkProgress on this threas that the U.S. was universally loved under Clinton and universally hated under Bush is quite simply false.
I hope that clears it up for you, TPM.
March 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmBravo Trip, thank you for posting #72…..Blessings
March 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pmShane
ETHANOL PART 2
Another problem is the land required to produce it. One estimate is that the grain needed to fill the petrol tank of a 4X4 with ethanol is sufficient to feed a person for a year.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pmRoger_Roger
Sure. You can do that. Take the Aid.
Meanwhile the rest of us will call our loans.
Lets see who hits the ground hardest.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pmOnce again, quote the verse. Let’s see it. Don’t beat around the Bush you wanna be Christist. Quote the verse.
You can’t because it isn’t there. Liar.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:06 pmExley
Certain segments in Brazil, like 81% of Brazils population?
March 9th, 2007 at 1:07 pmExley sez:
Guilty as charged. I apparently gave you too much credit earlier.
Honestly, your defense of Chimpy is ‘all presidents are demonstrated against in foreign countries’? That’s pathetically weak, Exley….far less than I expected. Sad, really.
I’ve never claimed Clinton was a saint. He’s a genuine shady character. But attempting to compare his misdeeds to Chimpy’s is as laughable as attempting to compare a serial shoplifter to a serial rapist.
I genuinely expected better from you, Exley. Seems that today is just full of disappointments.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWhat kind of country is this?
last night, CNN’s John Roberts said in a report on the Democrat’s Iraq debate…
“Some Democrats are TOO anti-war, while others aren’t anti-war enough”…
…will somebody PLEASE explain how a body can be “too anti-war”…
March 9th, 2007 at 1:16 pmSpudge_Boy
He can’t because he hasn’t read the book.
Genesis 38:7-10
Note that this passage is generally used to justify a prohibition on mastrubation, and would thus probably cover oral as well. It is the biblical grounds on which contraception is out.
Also, note to Darryl, Onan would have classed as having done this in Wedlock, so no, marriage does not negate the ban.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:21 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — March 9, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Exley does have a point - sort of. US Presidents will always get it in the neck when they travel to the third world because (rightly or wrongly), the US President can always be used as a way to vent anger at a global economic and political system which many perceive to be grossly unfair and slanted toward the first world.
However, I don’t think that there can be any debate as to whether the protests have expanded under Bush when compared to Clinton. The US is extremely unpopular abroad and it is thanks to the policies of Bush.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pm“But attempting to compare his misdeeds to Chimpy’s is as laughable as attempting to compare a serial shoplifter to a serial rapist.”
Hmmm…Again, my point continues to elude you. No where did I try to compare Bill Clinton’s supposed “misdeeds” to Bush’s supposed “misdeeds.”
I have simply (and successfully) pointed out that protests (sometimes violent) have met both presidents Clinton and Bush when they travelled abroad. So, to imply, as ThinkProgress tried to do with this posting, that the U.S. was universally loved by the world under Clinton and universally despised under Bush is both erroneous and silly.
Also silly is your admonition that I not reference Clinton in this discussion when the very point of this thread as posted by ThinkProgress is to draw a comparison between Clinton’s travels and Bush’s travels.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:28 pmIn many states, sex with your opposite-sex marital partner is restricted to the missionary position, no oral, no other positions, no other entrances. This is from Bible stuff Daryll.
So if Daryll did anything other than missionary with the wife, he’s in voilation.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmUK,
Agreed. I do not for a moment nor have I argued that Bush is as popular abroad as Clinton was or that the U.S. has not taken a hit stature-wise since the Iraq War. Undoubtedly it has. That cannot be denied.
I was simply trying to caution against overarching conclusions being drawn about the U.S. position in the world based on these protests in Brazil.
I mean, when Clinton visited Greece in 1999, there were violent riots as 10,000 protesters took to the streets. Clinton was warned by U.S. and Greek security officials to cut short his trip. Ugly and unpleasant and unfair to Clinton? Of course. But it did not mean that world despised the U.S.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:34 pmComment by ForTruth — March 9, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Wo-hoa, you’ve got to be joking right? Where’s the fun in that? Blimey, I’ll have a word with the better half and say, for the good of England, we are now limiting our intimate moments to the Queens birthday only - the official one, not her real one. Using the real one would be disrespectful.
Well it sounds as daft as the laws banning anything but missionary….
March 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pmExley sez:
Of course you haven’t…not directly. You don’t dare. But the implication is clear, your protestations notwithstanding.
As much as I dislike being put in a position of defending Bubba, I have to ask: where exactly are you getting the implication that the U.S. was universally loved under Clinton? Can you please cite the relevant passage?
Again, I am no fan of the Clintons…either one. But attempting to minimize the differences in overseas public opinion between Bubba and Chimpy is nothing more than an underhanded attempt to defend Chimpy - again, your histrionics notwithstanding. If you persist in engaging in these sorts of shenanigans, I’m going to persist in calling you on them.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pmSo if Daryll did anything other than missionary with the wife, he’s in voilation. Comment by ForTruth
Yeah, it would be voila, all right! Should we let Daryll know that you’re allowed to do it often and not just once to consummate the marriage?
March 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pm#97 - Wo-hoa, you’ve got to be joking right? Where’s the fun in that? Blimey, I’ll have a word with the better half and say, for the good of England, we are now limiting our intimate moments to the Queens birthday only - the official one, not her real one. Using the real one would be disrespectful.
Well it sounds as daft as the laws banning anything but missionary…
Think of it this way: Your lot cast out the religious nutballs from Europe and sent them to America.
Once here, the religious nutballs found it difficult to live within their own restrictions, so people started acting out. It’s gotten so bad that the religious nutballs feel that if they “come to Christ”, all will be forgiven.
There’s a reason why 90+ percent of all sex offenders currently in jail are Christian in the USA.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:47 pmComment by Exley — March 9, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
I think I should make it clear that most people make the clear separation of US Government and the US population at large. So, it’s not necessarily the US that’s hated; it’s the policies of the US Government that are hated.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:49 pmBruce Gorton,
I want to see a passage from the Bible that says “Putting thine pen!s into a females mouth is a sin against God” I don’t want some freaks (not you) interpretation of a passage that has to do with squirting on the floor.
It isn’t there. Everything is some crazy’s interpretation of what it means.
When I was going to school and the teacher assigned me home work, I wasn’t allowed to interpret what I was supposed to do. I was supposed to read it literally.
That is exactly what is wrong with organized religion. They inperpret sh!t however they want, giving freaks like the trolls here leway to be complete basket cases and tell people what they can and can’t do.
I ain’t buying it. God meant what the fu*k he said. He didn’t say “Read my book and twist it to your liking.”
March 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pm“But the implication is clear, your protestations notwithstanding.”
Actually, TripMaster, you could not be more wrong. For the protesters in Pakistan to call Clinton a “Killer” or “Killer of Iraqi Children” was patently absurd, offensive, and contrary to the facts. It was Saddam Hussein who was the killer of Iraqi children. Not President Clinton.
Similarly, for Greek leftists to riot in the street and threaten Clinton’s safety because Clinton had led NATO in stopping Milosevic from commiting mass murder in Kosovo (an action I fully support, by the way) was also offensive and ludicrous.
In short, Clinton was met with protests because of actions he undertook that were correct and justified (Containing Saddam and stopping Milosevic). The fact that he was met by violent protests did not make Clinton’s actions wrong.
TPM, you began this discussion with “I assume you’re attempting to drag Clinton into the picture yet again to attempt to make the case that similar abuses occurred under Clinton’s tenure.” Well, you assumed wrong. Remember what Felix Unger said happens when you “assume.”
March 9th, 2007 at 1:55 pmWell, Bush got his Brazilian waxing.
March 9th, 2007 at 1:55 pmJesusChrist_GodofWAR — March 9, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
Is the 90% before or after they go inside? The reason is ask is that, from anecdotal evidence given by some of my dodgy mates, finding religion is a nice plus point in getting yourself a favourable hearing in front of the parole board.
Hey, we’ve had our wars of religions and they weren’t pretty. I’m sure this is why Europe is largely secular these days. Oh, and two modern wars have proved that there either is no God or if he does exist, he’s a cruel, vindictive swine.
Controversial….
March 9th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe fact that he was met by violent protests did not make Clinton’s actions wrong.
Comment by Exley
Said an american…
March 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#105 - Is the 90% before or after they go inside? The reason is ask is that, from anecdotal evidence given by some of my dodgy mates, finding religion is a nice plus point in getting yourself a favourable hearing in front of the parole board…
Before they enter the slammer.
Once inside, I’m sure more than a few of the last 10% somehow “find” religion to get the kind of parole hearing you mentioned.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:11 pmJCGW and UK,
I read this article before about religion and America. My favorite quote is this.
Commenting on the survey, Kermit Netteburg, communication director for the Seventh-day Adventist Church in North America, identifies a certain dichotomy in America, “with more people expressing more commitment to religion, but with more people also exhibiting a lack of ethics in business, politics, personal lives, and education.”
March 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States,
Is this guy refering to the ones that are in this country illegally?
March 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmOff-the-grid energy expert on why Bush’s pact with Brazil WON’T affect you at the pump: http://www.popularmechanics.com/ blogs/ energy_family_news/ 4213318.html
March 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by JesusChrist_GodofWAR — March 9, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Pardon the phrase but Jesus, that’s shocking. Have you got a link for this?
I’m still surprised that finding religion is seen as a good thing when it comes to parole hearings. How about repenting for their crimes because they’ve worked that what they did was wrong via introspection instead of some book telling them what they did was wrong?
March 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#107
Oh yeah, none of my mates were pulling tim for kiddie fiddling either. I thought I best make that clear.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIs this guy refering to the ones that are in this country illegally?
Comment by hacker bob
You’ll have to ask him but there is such a thing as a migrant worker in the US. Your guess is as good as mine which is not so good when it comes to reading others minds.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pmComment by dlet — March 9, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
That is disturbing. Basically people who fall into that category are giving up responsibility for their actions to a “higher order”.
Blimey, no-one does evil as happily as the person who does it in the name of religion…
March 9th, 2007 at 2:49 pmActually Exley, this post only pertains to Brazil and not the entire world. The comparison is that of Bush and Brazil and Clinton and Brazil. And its the BBC that reported the demise of our Global reputation.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:56 pmComment by AckSyn JAckSyn — March 9, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
FYI - Exley has agreed with both you and I on that point. See posts 75 and 96.
I might disagree with Exley alot but I’ll back the man on this.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pmRachel, do not do it. I have not picked on you and I have defended you many times. You are not taking the easy way out by doing what you are thinking about doing. Trust me, I was once suicidal after an FBI witchhunt and being picked on by my peers at work for some aircraft sabotage that I had nothing to do with. The culprit was finally put in jail but my career is still in tatters.
I can help you because I have seen the being of light. It is true that he exists. Be the bigger person Rachel. you are a good person, I know you are trying hard to be accepted, maybe too hard. I enjoy your posts.
I wish you would post your opinions and how you truly feel. People here have made fun of my religion but it doesn’t bother me one iota, it is water down a ducks back.
I will give you my throw away cell number to call if you wish I will post it.
Do not, I repeat do not do what you are thinking of, it is not worth letting a bunch of characters on a screen effect your life in the way it has.
You also know me as Zep Tepi
March 9th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI understand what Exley is saying UKBD. I think Exley is correct as people today, for the most part, color with a very wide brush. It is unfortunate that group association has become so prevalent today.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThe other dimensions you speak of lie within your mind Rachel, they do not exist where you are planning on going. The path to the light resides in your Cave of Brahma (minds eye), it is their that we plan our future events.
I tell you this Rachel it is our minds that travel thru time and it is that what ages us. You have it within you the path to the light. We are mostly space, do not let words effect you or cause you harmful emotions.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWhy does Bush go to countries that don’t want him or the USA there?
Comment by Roger_Roger
If he only went where people wanted him he could never leave the bathroom.
Okay Darryl - you can leave now.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by AckSyn JAckSyn — March 9, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Yes, group association is not the best way to measure people but I’m missing how this applies to the discussion we are in. It’s me being daft I know but can you help me out?
Cheers
March 9th, 2007 at 3:21 pmRogerx2 is Daryll?
March 9th, 2007 at 3:22 pmYes, group association is not the best way to measure people but I’m missing how this applies to the discussion we are in. It’s me being daft I know but can you help me out?
Cheers
Pundit speak. Bush is not solely responsible for Americas reputation being tarnished. As Exley said its ridiculous to assume such.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:25 pm86. Tobey Tall
March 9th, 2007 at 3:31 pmAll your points are valid. But do we have any idea how many acres of corn land are “set aside” and farmers given subsidies to not grow corn and keep prices up? The reason this country has always remained powerful in spite of incompetent leaders has been the the enormous amount of farm land creating the ability to feed ourselves.
I wouldn’t know but how many trolls need to be around at one time?
March 9th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI wouldn’t know but how many trolls need to be around at one time?
They don’t bother me, kind or reminds of the game whack a mole, you knock one down and another pops up.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by AckSyn JAckSyn — March 9, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
I’m sorry but I need to disagree on this. The actions of the Bush presidency are exactly the reason why support for the US has dropped through the floor. His rhetoric and his military actions scare the rest of the world. Surely you can see that?
March 9th, 2007 at 3:51 pm’m sorry but I need to disagree on this. The actions of the Bush presidency are exactly the reason why support for the US has dropped through the floor. His rhetoric and his military actions scare the rest of the world. Surely you can see that?
I agree, but George acts on the advice of many advisors such a Kristol and weekly standard and of course the 30 percenters.
March 9th, 2007 at 3:56 pmPNAC, AEI and other NGO’s (non governmental organizations) have pursued these ‘might is right’ foreign policies.
March 9th, 2007 at 4:04 pmIs this guy refering to the ones that are in this country illegally?
Comment by hacker bob
Bob´s mind:
Illegals working in the US = wrong
Illegal soldiers occupating a foreing country = good.
March 9th, 2007 at 4:31 pmPriests to Purify Site After Bush Visit
Newsday 3.09.07
“Mayan priests (in Guatamala) will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate “bad spirits” after President Bush visits next week, an official with close ties to the group said Thursday. ”
May they upload the ritual to YouTube so that all aspirants to purifying a Bush tainted world may have access to these time honored liturgical resources.
March 9th, 2007 at 4:45 pmcraig johnson cognitorex
Labels: Bush, Guatamala, ritual cleansing, snark
#111 - …Pardon the phrase but Jesus, that’s shocking. Have you got a link for this?…
Well, I’ll have to look around. The numbers came from in-patient psych PhD and MD staff I know who work in the jail system.
March 9th, 2007 at 4:51 pmEh…Brazilians are just disturbed. That’s what Bush would say.
March 9th, 2007 at 5:38 pmfor all the reichwing trolls out there who are sycophants of our would-be fuehrer, compare this reception to that given to JFK.
March 9th, 2007 at 5:45 pmRight,some read it thus. BUt a further look into the passage illustrates that it isn’t the masterbation,but the disobedience.
Onan had a duty under Jewish law to provide for his brother’s lineage an heir. To do that he was to take his brother’s wife and impregnate her. The child would not be his under their law,but would be considered his deceased brother’s.
Onan,by ’spilling his seed upon the ground’ regused to do his duty (both spiritual and legal under their law) to his dead brother.
Many people do not think beyond the first reading of a passage,sadly. There is something inherent in strict fundamentalism that seems to shut down people’s brains.
March 9th, 2007 at 6:09 pmDaryl….go talk your jesus shit to a brazilian on copacabana and you will probably get your throat slit for jesus…oh, well, another martyr…i guess you go to heaven and get your 37 virgins or whatever fantasy your preacher has promised…I bet you really wanna go down there to look at those topless brazilian babes…shame on you, heathen…you better not look or you will go to hell, you bad sinner….satan is waiting…..
March 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmwho cares what the hell your bible says on the subject of sex or anything else? pure fiction, myths, elaborate delusisional thinking…..NUTS
March 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmwho cares what the hell your bible says on the subject of sex or anything else? pure fiction, myths, elaborate delusisional thinking…..NUTS
Comment by crazydisabledvet
I especially love when they quote Genesis, a book of the old testament, written as allegory.
March 10th, 2007 at 11:26 amJews didn’t use the bible as law they have the Talmud or Torah one of these for laws.
I’m from Brazil and was there during the Clinton visit. I can assure you Brazilians are always suspicious of any American president, but Bush surely is absolutely DESPISED there, mostly because of the Iraq invasion.
March 10th, 2007 at 1:14 pmCHIMPya HAS NOBODY BUT HIMSELF(well, maybe Torticola DICK-less
March 10th, 2007 at 3:26 pmB(ugger) Cheney) TO BLAME FOR HIS LOW POPULARITY AND BEING HATED AND DESPISED BY THE REST OF THE RATIONAL WORLD AS WELL AS IN HIS OWN COUNTRY. CHIMPya’s IRRATONAL STUBBORNESS, NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH BEHAVIOUR, LACK OF COMPASSION OR SYMPATHY and DOGMATIC ONE-TRACK MINDED, “DRY-DRUNK” EGOCENTRISM and SHEER IMBECILIC STUPIDITY, CUPIDITY AND LACK OF COMMON SENSE ARE THE REASONS FOR HIS BEING REGARDED THE WAY HE IS–ADD TO THAT A CRIMINAL DISREGARD OF INTERNATIONAL LAWS AND TREATIES LIKE THE GENEVA CONVENTION AND A FLAGRANT CRIMINAL DISREGARD OF THE RULE OF LAW OF THE LAND, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND LAW IN GENERAL WITHIN HIS OWN COUNTRY, AMERICA–THAT IS WHY HE IS THE MOST HATED AND WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD, AND HE IS GIVING HITLER, CALIGULA, IVAN THE TERRIBLE, NERO, ATTILA THE HUN, VLAD THE IMPALER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT and OTHER DESPICABLE HISTORICAL CREEPS A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY!!!!! OH, YES–Torticola Cheney and Karl Rove, CHIMPya’s OTHER TWO HEADS(or BRAINS?) MUST BE MENTIONED WITH HIM–THESE TWO SHITS ARE INSEPARABLE FROM CHIMPya, THE SAME WAY A GOLDFISH IS FOLLOWED BY ITS LONG HANGING TRAIL OF GOLDFISH SHIT AS IT SWIMS BLITHELY AROUND IN ITS “INSULATED BUBBLE BOWL,” OBLIVIOUS TO ALL AROUND IT, CARING NOT A WHIT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE BUT ITS STUPID SELF!!!!!
The Clinton-Bush contrast has clearly shown that where we put our troops is far more important than where one places his cigars.
March 11th, 2007 at 10:43 pmVai tomar no cu, bush!
March 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmwhat it feels like to have a president who is hated by the world !just arrogant as the people of America have become it is its president too!
April 10th, 2007 at 10:31 pm