Comments on: 29 percent: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:23:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-2/#comment-2183722 Jericho Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:43:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2183722 that is still amazingly high, I think. How can so many people still think 21th century wars are winnable? Is hollywood really the new Harvard? Just remember, agression comes back to you and you can't fight fire with fire in most cases. that is still amazingly high, I think. How can so many people still think 21th century wars are winnable? Is hollywood really the new Harvard? Just remember, agression comes back to you and you can’t fight fire with fire in most cases.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-2/#comment-2182477 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:17:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2182477 In an April 1972 conversation between Nixon and Henry Kissinger, the president and his national security advisor spent four minutes debating how, in an approaching speech, Nixon should characterize the likely victims and whether he should claim that “hundreds of thousands” would be killed in a post-withdrawal bloodbath or, more menacingly, “millions” would lose their lives. In an April 1972 conversation between Nixon and Henry Kissinger, the president and his national security advisor spent four minutes debating how, in an approaching speech, Nixon should characterize the likely victims and whether he should claim that “hundreds of thousands” would be killed in a post-withdrawal bloodbath or, more menacingly, “millions” would lose their lives.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-2/#comment-2182455 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:10:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2182455 for an article on whether the US created a bloodbath in Iraq or is preventing one, go here: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/14/the_bloodbath_we_created.php for an article on whether the US created a bloodbath in Iraq or is preventing one, go here:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/14/the_bloodbath_we_created.php

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-2/#comment-2182408 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:54:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2182408 We actually caused the deaths of a lot more than three million Vietnamese if you include the ones who have died the past 32 years from the tens of millions of gallons of herbicide plus dioxin that we dumped on their farmland. There are still birth defects today. We promised $3.2 billion in reconstruction but paid nothing. There would have been no genocide in Cambodia if not for the US killing 200,000 of them by bombing. This led to Pol Pot coming to power. We actually caused the deaths of a lot more than three million Vietnamese if you include the ones who have died the past 32 years from the tens of millions of gallons of herbicide plus dioxin that we dumped on their farmland. There are still birth defects today.

We promised $3.2 billion in reconstruction but paid nothing.

There would have been no genocide in Cambodia if not for the US killing 200,000 of them by bombing. This led to Pol Pot coming to power.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2182388 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:47:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2182388 The Pentqgon Papers said the domino theory was not true. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a lie. The Pentqgon Papers said the domino theory was not true.

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a lie.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2182227 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:45:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2182227 that should be 80% that should be 80%

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181921 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:41:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181921 I don't think you can find a single historian that says there was a bloodbath. Please provide a link. There were over 3,000,000 Vietnamese killed (and 58,000 Americans) before we pulled out. The Pentagon Papers said we must prevent the free elections we had promised in 1954 uniting Vietnam because it was obvious Ho Chi Minh would win about 80& of the vote. Ho Chi Minh greatly admired the US and was grateful to them for helping drive Japan out of Vietnam. I don’t think you can find a single historian that says there was a bloodbath. Please provide a link.

There were over 3,000,000 Vietnamese killed (and 58,000 Americans) before we pulled out. The Pentagon Papers said we must prevent the free elections we had promised in 1954 uniting Vietnam because it was obvious Ho Chi Minh would win about 80& of the vote.

Ho Chi Minh greatly admired the US and was grateful to them for helping drive Japan out of Vietnam.

]]> By: Rodan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181899 Rodan Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:31:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181899 keith, There waas a bloodbath in Vietnam you fool! keith,
There waas a bloodbath in Vietnam you fool!

]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181884 Raymond Funamoto Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:25:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181884 THE REAL FIGURES ARE WORSE! Bushland Uber Allies CONSISTENTLY TRY TO DOWNPLAY THE FIASCO, THE DISASTER, THE BLOODBATH IN Iraq--ALL THANKS TO CHIMPya, Torticola Cheney, Rove, Dumbsfailed, WolfFARTwhizz, Perle, Feith, Addington, Yoo, CAD-ley, Rice, Powell, Armitage, Ashcroft, Gonzales, all neocons, Bushland Uber Allies--"The SHIT-Ship of FOOLS"!!!!! THE REAL FIGURES ARE WORSE! Bushland Uber Allies CONSISTENTLY TRY TO DOWNPLAY THE FIASCO, THE DISASTER, THE BLOODBATH IN Iraq–ALL THANKS TO CHIMPya, Torticola Cheney, Rove, Dumbsfailed, WolfFARTwhizz, Perle, Feith, Addington, Yoo, CAD-ley, Rice, Powell, Armitage, Ashcroft, Gonzales, all neocons, Bushland Uber Allies–”The SHIT-Ship of FOOLS”!!!!!

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181876 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:21:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181876 Every conservative criticized Bill Clinton for taking action in Bosnia which stopped the killing and did not cost a single American life. Every conservative criticized Bill Clinton for taking action in Bosnia which stopped the killing and did not cost a single American life.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181872 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:19:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181872 Al Qaeda loves the Bush administration for opening up Iraq to them. The "secular hedonist" Saddam strongly suppressed them. Every conservative said we could not leave Vietnam because there would be a bloodbath. Of course, they lied. Al Qaeda loves the Bush administration for opening up Iraq to them. The “secular hedonist” Saddam strongly suppressed them.

Every conservative said we could not leave Vietnam because there would be a bloodbath. Of course, they lied.

]]> By: Rodan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181850 Rodan Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:10:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181850 You guys are happy that the American people feel demoralized. Hey Al-Qaeda should thank the left for their help. So now go celebrate for when we leave there will be blood bath there that'll make Bosnia look like a gangwar! You guys continue to celebrate American deaths as long as it helps politically, who cares! You guys are happy that the American people feel demoralized. Hey Al-Qaeda should thank the left for their help.
So now go celebrate for when we leave there will be blood bath there that’ll make Bosnia look like a gangwar!
You guys continue to celebrate American deaths as long as it helps politically, who cares!

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181582 JPark Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:33:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181582 Don't respond to firehead. He is a non-funny Colbert. Don’t respond to firehead. He is a non-funny Colbert.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181531 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:10:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181531 The estimate of 655,000 Iraqi deaths (from the Johns Hopkins/Lancet study) is a lot more accurate than the figure given by IraqBodyCount.org. It includes ALL deaths as a result of the war (directly by violence and indirectly by destruction of healthcare and clean water, etc.). IBC (58,637-to-64,444) only includes direct violence and insists on two different media sources for each one. This is unreasonable given the chaos in the country. Mostly, journalists are afraid to leave the Green Zone. In 2006 alone, about 36,000 bodies were in morgues obviously killed by violence. The Johns Hopkins/Lancet researchers were going door-to-door in Iraq and saw death certificates in 95% of the cases. They compared total deaths in Iraq in the forty months before our invasion to the total deaths in the forty months after our invasion. Contrary to what Bush says, there is nothing wrong with this methodology. It is, in fact the most recognized. The estimate of 655,000 Iraqi deaths (from the Johns Hopkins/Lancet study) is a lot more accurate than the figure given by IraqBodyCount.org. It includes ALL deaths as a result of the war (directly by violence and indirectly by destruction of healthcare and clean water, etc.).

IBC (58,637-to-64,444) only includes direct violence and insists on two different media sources for each one. This is unreasonable given the chaos in the country. Mostly, journalists are afraid to leave the Green Zone. In 2006 alone, about 36,000 bodies were in morgues obviously killed by violence.

The Johns Hopkins/Lancet researchers were going door-to-door in Iraq and saw death certificates in 95% of the cases. They compared total deaths in Iraq in the forty months before our invasion to the total deaths in the forty months after our invasion. Contrary to what Bush says, there is nothing wrong with this methodology. It is, in fact the most recognized.

]]> By: USA http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181483 USA Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:46:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181483 Just think about who answered yes to this question: <strong>"Things are going well in Iraq."</strong> 3,000 Americans are dead. 50,000 or many more Iraqis are dead. There is chaos, civil war, beheadings, torcher, suicide bombers, and car bombs in Iraq. Considering <strong>REALITY</strong>, what kind of RETARD would say things are going well? A retard could probably figure this out, right, and would say NO- things ARE NOT going "WELL" in Iraq. So what kind of braindead fool can you count on if they say something that is bizzare and insane. Those 29% are braindead and their votes are VOID! Just think about who answered yes to this question: “Things are going well in Iraq.”

3,000 Americans are dead.
50,000 or many more Iraqis are dead.
There is chaos, civil war, beheadings, torcher, suicide bombers, and car bombs in Iraq.

Considering REALITY, what kind of RETARD would say things are going well? A retard could probably figure this out, right, and would say NO- things ARE NOT going “WELL” in Iraq. So what kind of braindead fool can you count on if they say something that is bizzare and insane. Those 29% are braindead and their votes are VOID!

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181482 keith Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:46:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181482 We could have left long ago if our reason for the invasion had been WMD or regime change. But since the reason was to control that part of the world (mostly due to its oil and gas), then we must stay, build fourteen permanent bases, an embassy larger than Vatican City and constantly come up with new reasons why we must stay. We could have left long ago if our reason for the invasion had been WMD or regime change. But since the reason was to control that part of the world (mostly due to its oil and gas), then we must stay, build fourteen permanent bases, an embassy larger than Vatican City and constantly come up with new reasons why we must stay.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181282 Jay Randal Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:47:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181282 Nothing to win in Iraq except to control its OIL for Petroleum Cartel. Nothing to win in Iraq except to control its OIL for Petroleum Cartel.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181229 big papa Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:17:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181229 Comment by Raven #6 <strong>Hey Raven, ...lay off Anheuser-Busch will ya...</strong> Comment by Raven #6

Hey Raven,

…lay off Anheuser-Busch will ya…

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181208 big papa Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:11:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181208 <strong>Even the Native peoples of Guatemala know... ...that George W. Bush's Karma... ...is rotten... ...the right wing fascist TRAITORS... ...in the criminal Bushite junta... ...those in the DUHmerican voting public who support/worship Bushiva and L'il Dick... ...are cursed... ...the Native Peoples of Guatemala had to cleanse a sacred site... ...after Bushiva had visited there... ...to rid the area of Bushiva's evil Karma...</strong> Even the Native peoples of Guatemala know…

…that George W. Bush’s Karma…

…is rotten…

…the right wing fascist TRAITORS…

…in the criminal Bushite junta…

…those in the DUHmerican voting public who support/worship Bushiva and L’il Dick…

…are cursed…

…the Native Peoples of Guatemala had to cleanse a sacred site…

…after Bushiva had visited there…

…to rid the area of Bushiva’s evil Karma…

]]> By: NakedEmperor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/comment-page-1/#comment-2181185 NakedEmperor Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:02:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/13/29-percent/#comment-2181185 We are suck with this 29% again ain't we. Is this the bottom? If it is, the America is in trouble. I want what they are smoking. We are suck with this 29% again ain’t we. Is this the bottom? If it is, the America is in trouble. I want what they are smoking.

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