Gonzales: Sampson still on payroll.
Gonzales: Sampson still on payroll.
At his press conference today, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales acknowledged that his former chief of staff Kyle Sampson, who resigned over the scandal yesterday, remains on the Justice Department payroll. “His transition — as a technical matter, he is at the Department as he transitions out and looks for another employment.”
More Gonzales: “I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here, to assess accountability, and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.”
UPDATE: CREW calls for a special prosecutor to investigate potential criminal violations.
UPDATE II: Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) responded to Gonzales: “Did the attorney general not know that 8 U.S. attorneys were to be fired? He didn’t know, he shouldn’t be attorney general, plain and simple. That is not a minor personnel decision. That is a major act that has shaken the integrity of the U.S. attorney offices — not only those in question — but all of them, to the core.” Watch it:
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the biggest lie in Washington DC….”I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY”
March 13th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWe don’t want YOU to find out what went wrong…
…we want your step-n-fetchit a*s out on the street…
…unemployed…
…until we find grounds to prosecute and convict your slimy a*s…
March 13th, 2007 at 2:47 pmHey! Halliburton is hiring, must be able to relocate…
March 13th, 2007 at 2:47 pm“I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here, to assess accountability, and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.â€
Did anyone check to see if he had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said this? Sounds like the same non-apology ‘apology’ Bush made when announcing he was giving the finger to the ISG and the majority of the American public in announcing his escalation. So we know there is no real acceptance of responsibility.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:49 pmAG: “…my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here…” Find mirror. Look into it.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pmTP you forgot the “I take full responsability” statement more than once and the “I was unaware what was going on but I take full responsability” line again…LOL…Let the hearing’s begin and don’t forget th call Miss Harriet Myer’s in on the list, bush full time advisor on What.?….Blessings
March 13th, 2007 at 2:51 pmNah – Gonzos outta there. It’ll take a few more days, but he’ll discover a pressing need to spend more time with his family really soon. Like his master, he’s a chickenhawk and runs away when things get rough.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pmCheney could recommend him to Halliburton, to fill the vacancy that Libby was supposed to fill.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pmYou are a lying sack of s–t
March 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here..
He’ll be right back as soon as he checks his day planner.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:53 pmHey Badmoodman, how’s trix?
March 13th, 2007 at 2:54 pmHaven’t seen you around in a while??
Whazzup?
As a hispanic myself I warn you against right wing latinos, they are the most dangerous type, because they hide their bad deeds so well, check Colombia’s president to see a good example.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pmGonzalez: “Make the President look bad will you? I`ll show you”
This makes me wonder what an otherwise “obscure” Gonzalez has done in his life, (what bad thing(s), he has done to warrant attaining the coveted “prize” of AG.
In BushWorld, it seems the more worse things that you have done, are equally rewarded with a position in kind.
Jesus, with that logic, it makes me really wonder what Condi Rice has done in her past to warrant Sec of State.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWell, you know things must be improving in Iraq if TP posts 5 storys within 4.5 hours on the U.S. attorney purge, and nothing about Iraq, you know, bad stuff like this, or this.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:56 pmGonzalez: “Make the President look bad will you? I`ll show you”
This makes me wonder what an otherwise “obscure” Gonzalez has done in his life, (what bad thing(s), he has done to warrant attaining the coveted “prize” of AG.
In BushWorld, it seems the more worse things that you have done, are equally rewarded with a position in kind.
Jesus, with that logic, it makes me really wonder what Condi Rice has done in her past to warrant Sec of State.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI don’t understand how so many in the administration think they can get away with “I accept responsibility but it’s not my fault” as an excuse.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:58 pmNor why the think they have the credibility for us to accept their “Trust Us Justice.”
Dale, your boss called.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pmHe said to tell you to put more fries down in the oil, then go clean the grease trap.
These people will burn in hell!
March 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pmHey Rachel, how ya feelin today?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pmGonzo sez:
You gotta be sh!tt!ng me, Pyle…
I wish I could resign from a job and stay on their payroll until I found other employment…
Really should have gone into politics…
March 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmWell, you know things must be improving in Iraq if TP posts 5 storys within 4.5 hours on the U.S. attorney purge, and nothing about Iraq, you know, bad stuff like this, or this.
Comment by Dale
Well being that they are a puppet government propped up by the fascist regime here, looks like they at least learned how to properly stage a propaganda photo-op.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmHey Badmoodman, how’s trix? Haven’t seen you around in a while?? – - I drift into the ether occasionally. Right now I’m neck-deep in a restoration (film) project. (By the way, Frank Rich is God.)
March 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI got a cauliflower ear calling on my reps to fillibuster this lying piece of crap during his confirmation heariing where he lied to Congress and still got confirmed. Bush has put operatives like this into every crack and crevice of our Government. They all need to be ferreted out.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by rachel kinnardi — March 13, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
rachel, I’ll grant you that, due to the threads currently in play, this post is on-topic for several of them, and thus may merit multiple posting across the aforementioned multiple threads.
However, is it really necessary to post this comment multiple times in the same thread???
March 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pmMan, I’d love to resign from my job and still get a paycheck. Between this dude and Rummy, it’s quite the cushy getup.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pmyo rachel, I hate to even ask you this, it is so waaaay off topic, but, well, have you run into Elvis yet out there?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmYou can bet that the mistakes made will not happen again. You are on your way out Gonzo, you smug dingle-berry. You, and your fellow criminals will be history- and not good history, either.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pm“I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here, to assess accountability, and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.â€
….”Ok, now let me see…are the mistakes in here? No…are they behind here?…Not here…or here…Nope. No mistakes to be found here! Those darned mistakes have to be SOMEWHERE….”
March 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pmGonzalez paraphrased: “I don’t have the foggiest idea about what my OWN Chief of Staff is doing”.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAnybody buying that bullcrap?
Yeah, just like that crook Sandy Berger is still on Clinton’s payroll…
March 13th, 2007 at 3:14 pmmake improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.â€
That would be referred to as your resignation, sir.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmDamn General Meade is still on the Union payroll too!
March 13th, 2007 at 3:16 pmImpeach Clinton (again) sez:
Just can’t stop living in the past, can you? Of course, given the nick you’ve chosen, I wouldn’t expect any better.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThese latest U.S attorneys revelations show more than a White House determined to enforce loyalty to President Bush and entrench partisan Republican hatchet men throughout the DOJ’s ranks. Simply put, the Bush White House planned to systematically drive down the turnout of Democrats and independents at the ballot box through an unaccountable campaign against “voter fraud.”
For the full story, see:
“The Link: GOP Purging Prosecutors – and Voters.”
For more on the White House connection and all the latest news, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents on the Bush DOJ prosecutor firings, see:
March 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pm“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents.”
Yeah, just like that crook Sandy Berger is still on Clinton’s payroll… Comment by Impeach Clinton(Again) — March 13, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Clinton hasn’t been president for over 6 years. Either get some new talking points, or go see a doctor for you Clinton Derangement Syndrome – fool.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pm“I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here, to assess accountability, and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.â€
Hmmmm… looks like it could be a quote from The Decider’s mouth itself. Diffuse responsibility by claiming it, promise action without substance, and above all; give lip service to the ideals and laws you have sworn to protect.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmComment by Manuel #12
Manuel,
The (infamous) School of the Americas…
…is a disgraceful and reprehensible symbol…
…of right wing fascist al Crackkker (whether Latino or DUHmerican)…
…military psychosis…
…the MONSTERS turned out at that DEMONIC pit…
…are worse than anything righteous, democratic, human beings…
…could ever imagine…
…and the mercenaries now selling their souls in Iraq…
…some of them products of Satan’s school…
…will be unleashed on Liberal Progressives to quell any public outcry…
…once the country figures out the damage done by the right wing TRAITORS…
…get armed…
March 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSo when are the Democrats going to DO something about all of this?
You’ve got a pretty clear case of the administration, and the Republicans in collusion, using the Department of Justice to pursue a political agenda against the Democrats (can anyone say NIXON!).
How many Republican “dirty tricks” are the Democrats going to put up with before they DO something?
The folks behind this belong in jail! They are subverting the entire American system of government.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmYou, sir, are “what went wrong here.” You are a dreadful little crony with far more concern with your loyalty to Bush than serving the nation you supposedly represent.
You, and the rest of the administration, are locust. You come in, take what you want, strip everything to the dry stalk leaving a baren wasteland behind.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThis was a premeditated crime. Time to subpeona Arlen Spectre to find out who told him to slip those last minute provisions into the Patriot (sic) Act. The Bushies discussed ways in which they could fire US Attorneys and then appoint new ones without Congressional oversight. THEN AFTER these discussions, Arlen Spectre was asked to alter the Patriot Act.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThis was a premeditated crime.
Gonzalez knows it too. So does Bush, who gave the OK for it and So does Rove who was the go between.
quick someone give Speedy Gonzales a sword to fall on, properly.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“no one could have imagined……..”
March 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThis reminds me of the wave of pervert school teachers who should be fired immediately when discovered – but who aren’t. Gotta love the NEA and AFT.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmJanet Reno fired all 93 US Attorneys, saying that the decision was made in conjunction with the White House. In other words, Clinton ordered it.
Oh wait, I forgot… I gotta quit bringing up the past, the truth is too painful.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmHow many Republican “dirty tricks†are the Democrats going to put up with before they DO something?
Comment by Dogjudge #38
…are YOU prepared for Civil War?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#35, does this mean that after Jan09 we won’t have to hear any of this crap about how evil Pres. Bush is?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pm“I acknowledge that mistakes were made here… I accept that, uh, responsibility…and my pledge to the–Ohhuh— American people is….uh, uh,…to figure out what went wrong here… Oh, oh, ohhhhh…..Oh my God I wish I had a pee pee so I could be sticking my hand down my pants and squeezing it tight right now!!!!!
March 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThis reminds me of the wave of pervert school teachers who should be fired immediately when discovered – but who aren’t. Gotta love the NEA and AFT.
Comment by valiant venus #43
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
…we know virulent venereal (disease)…
…you prefer “Daddy’s” home schoolin’…
March 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmIt sucks that the first Mexican American to hold this job turned out to be this man.
It sucks that the first blacks to be Sec. of State turned out to be Powell and Rice.
It hardly seems fair.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmSmack that bitch, Schumer.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pm“I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here, to assess accountability, and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.â€
Translation: “Okay, you caught us pressuring state AG’s to act in accordance with WH political wishes. I promise, you will not catch us doing this again, we’ll cover our tracks better next time.”
March 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmhere’s a key deconstruction of Aburto’s statement, in my humble observation:
“…and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occured in this instance do not occur again in the future…”
March 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmAnd geez, al Berto, where are you going to find the time for this? I mean, you told Congress that you just didn’t have the time to answer every little subpeona and request for information that came your way.
I think America’s interests would best be served if you resigned immediately, find someone who has time for the job of Attorney General of the United States.
I’m sure you can get Dubious to boot Harriet’s ugly butt out, and then you can officially be his private defense attorney.
Who you are going to have to hire to defend you from criminal charges is anyones guess at this point. I hear the usual cast of characters are being retained at a pretty fast clip.
Janet Reno fired all 93 US Attorneys, saying that the decision was made in conjunction with the White House. In other words, Clinton ordered it.
Oh wait, I forgot… I gotta quit bringing up the past, the truth is too painful.
Comment by Dale
Your ‘truth’ is disingenous, and conveniently misses the point we’ve been pointing out to your fellow-in-talkingpoints Roger2, Bush fired all when he came into office (which is what Clinton did) and put these very people in place then. This is normal…what is NOT normal is firing in the middle for political reasons over performance issues.
Why does the right have such a difficult time with this???? Does morality not exist in the right anymore?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pm“#44
Janet Reno fired all 93 US Attorneys, saying that the decision was made in conjunction with the White House. In other words, Clinton ordered it.
Oh wait, I forgot… I gotta quit bringing up the past, the truth is too painful.
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm”
Hey RainMain……. Clinton let them go at the BEGINNING of his term, not after putting them in place and almost at the end of his term.
How many matches did I drop on the floor?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmAlberto, Chuck’s not buying it. Don’t beg Chuck for mercy. Let’s face it, Alberto, you can’t Torquemada anything….
March 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmOh, Dale!! Pull your Rush-Limpballs poop covered head out of your ass!
Any firings were at the begining of a new administration, and they have already released documents to show that these guys didn’t even consider Harriet Miers idea for a second, BASED ON THE FACT THAT PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, including Clinton’s, never did this sort of thing.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#35, does this mean that after Jan09 we won’t have to hear any of this crap about how evil Pres. Bush is?
Comment by Dale
It’s possible, our great republic may be too busy trying to clean up the mess created by these fascists.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmIsnt Rummy still on the payroll while he “transitions”? Maybe I’m a skeptic, but could this be the way they get ppl to step down and be quiet i.e. Continue being on the payroll minus the work?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“#46
#35, does this mean that after Jan09 we won’t have to hear any of this crap about how evil Pres. Bush is?
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 3:33 pm”
I guess that depends on how many more lifes are lost because of Bush! Can you possibly tell me how many lives Clinton lost in an ILLEGAL WAR?????
Yes it was Illegal because by the UN charter, Bush was REQUIRED to get UN approval. Since he BUGGED the UN and knew that Russia and China would not vote for the war, Bush invaded WITHOUT the UN authority.
Care to provide the number of lives lost under Clinton???? If it is more than 3,000 American lives and 650,000 citizen lives of another country then you may continue to spout off using Clinton as an example.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmDale!
March 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pmOur nuts are cracked!
Most indoobitabooly yours,
Just imagine if Harriet Miers had made it to the Supreme Court. Bush/Rove would have the perfect inside “dupe” to do all the neocon’s bidding!
March 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWhat I really get a kick out of is Harriet Miers’ original suggestion that they get rid of all 93 USAs!! This is the same personal attorney to the President that was in charge of selecting the next supreme court nominee (following Cheney’s example back in 1999) selected HERSELF. The same Harriet Miers Bush tried to appoint to the Supreme Court to cover his sorry ass in case some day there were investigations of Bush/Cheny but that that was so incompetent that even the Repub congress couldn’t bring themselves to approve the appointment!
One can only imagine what would have happened if the prez had been successful in appointing the most crazed Bush sycophant since Kathryn Harris.
Hopefully Gonzales will be the next one out the door after Sampson but now we hear that Sampson is still on the payroll (maybe he’s sharing an office with the “semi” retired Rumsfeld, who still has a desk).
March 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAbu Gitmo Gonzo is, oh surprise me, a liar! He knew about this all along.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmA HUGE difference between previous Presidents (excluding Nixon) and what Bush and Gonzales are doing!
It has become extremely apparent that Bush, Gonzales, and the Republican Congress, are firing the various attorneys simply because they have refused to go after the Democrats aggressively enough.
Now can ANYONE show me where another President (other than Nixon) did the same thing?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe Bush administration had this planned. That’s why it was snuck into the Patriot Act II. They thought they would win in November and then walk these judges thru. And the Dictatorship would be complete. The problem is, they didn’t expect to lose both houses of Congress. OOPS. But they tried anyway. This is BIG! The Bush Administration got caught with their pants down.
Now you will see the true beginning of impeachment procedings . I think Pelosi has seen enough.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“Gonzo” gonzales was just on TV and said that “yes, he made some mistakes” and that “he believes in accountability”, after which he said that “no, he will not resign” and he “stands by his decision that the firings were justified”.
So there you have it. Mistakes were made, but apparently just admitting that means that the accountability part really doesn’t apply and the fact that the firings were justified means that the only mistakes made were that this all became public.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmNothing like the passive voice. “Mistakes were made.” By themselves?
That’s a little kid construction: “The lamp got broken.”
Something about this administration and ownership that just doesn’t quite line up.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmTake ‘em to the mat Chuck. We are all behind you (well, except the deluded little Bush zealots)
Gonzales will try and hold on, but more and more revelations are in store – and he knows it. He looked nervous and like a man who had been caught for doing something he should be.
I hope the dems are looking for legal ways to force him out.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:54 pmComment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
March 13th, 2007 at 3:58 pmYAWN
40. AFTER these discussions, Arlen Spectre was asked to alter the Patriot Act.
Comment by OxyCon — March 13, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Great points OC
March 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pm35, does this mean that after Jan09 we won’t have to hear any of this crap about how evil Pres. Bush is?
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
If you get him to resign immediately we’ll stop talking about him today. Promise.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmSo we need UN approval? Can you please show me where in either the U.S. Constitution or the U.N. charter that specifies that we need UN approval for ANYTHING? Is *that* really what you’re basing your “illegal war” mantra on?
March 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmOh, Dale!! Pull your Rush-Limpballs poop covered head out of your ass!
Comment by welfarequeen — March 13, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
He can’t – his head is his ass. That’s why he walks around with his knuckles dragging on the ground.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#46 – after Bush is no longer president, I suspect we will continue to hear how evil he and his minions are – because as archives are opened and the truth comes out all the wickedness of these criminals will spead ike a stain.
They won’t go to jail – but their legacy will be that of lies, war, death, theft. Probably know as the worst president in American history. If true justice exists, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others will stand in the dock in the Hague.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pm(We can’t discuss this like adults, so let’s just use childish grade-school insults… maybe he’ll go away)
March 13th, 2007 at 4:14 pm“So we need UN approval? Can you please show me where in either the U.S. Constitution or the U.N. charter that specifies that we need UN approval for ANYTHING? Is *that* really what you’re basing your “illegal war†mantra on?
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm”
YES! Our CONSTITUTION states that any treaty or anything else of legal stature becomes part of our laws.
Maybe you should read the CONSTITUTION sometime?
Article VI. – Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/ibasicdocuments/ibasictext/ibasicunchart.htm#Chapter7
March 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pmAnyone want to bet that the “mistakes that were made” refer to not covering their tracks well enough and getting caught?
March 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmDon’t take your foot off his throat Chuck!
March 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmSo we need UN approval? Can you please show me where in either the U.S. Constitution or the U.N. charter that specifies that we need UN approval for ANYTHING? Is *that* really what you’re basing your “illegal war†mantra on? Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
We’re the country that began the UN, and decided that through treaty it was inappropriate to wage war without UN approval. Funny how George the elder used the UN rules as an excuse to defend Kuwait from Iraq. Now you’re the same fcuking idiots that pooh-pooh the UN treaty obligations of the US when it doesn’t suit your needs.
You CONs are fcuking fools, and inept idiots.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pm(We can’t discuss this like adults, so let’s just use childish grade-school insults… maybe he’ll go away) Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
That’s because you have the intellect, reasoning and awareness of a child. What do you expect, for people to treat your st*pid comments as adult debate?
An adult would be able to recognize an inconsistency in the US using the UN rules when it suits us, and ignoring them when it doesn’t. An adult might debate the relevance of an international body of peace – but then again an adult would recognize its usefulness and significance.
But then again, you’re not an adult – in any measure. You childish prick.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmIf Albeano Gonzales resigns will he face extradition back to Mexico?
March 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pm#76, good, our Constitution says we have to respect treaties that we enter into; but it does NOT say that we have to hand over our sovereignty to the United Nations. If what you’re implying was the case, then we would never have to ratify ANYTHING (like the Kyoto protocols), because the UN said so and that’s that.
My point remains… we don’t need the UN’s approval to wage war… so if that’s the only justification that the Iraq war is illegal, then you’re mistaken.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pmMy God! It’s always a momentous occasion when a member of the Bush administration admits a mistake and accepts responsibility. But then, he probably didn’t even mean it. If you actually believe these SOB’s you’d think they walk on water. And just imagine, the kool-aid drinkers actually do believe their bullshit.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pm“#
#76, good, our Constitution says we have to respect treaties that we enter into; but it does NOT say that we have to hand over our sovereignty to the United Nations. If what you’re implying was the case, then we would never have to ratify ANYTHING (like the Kyoto protocols), because the UN said so and that’s that.
My point remains… we don’t need the UN’s approval to wage war… so if that’s the only justification that the Iraq war is illegal, then you’re mistaken.
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm”
What part of “shall be the supreme Law of the Land” do you NOT understand?????
Which means that if the UN charter says that a signatory country cannot just attack another country, which it does, then we by law CANNOT!!!!
Please tell me that you are not that ignorant!
March 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmGonzo- Your mother made a mistake when she carried you to full-term. By now, I’m sure even SHE realizes that.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“but it does NOT say that we have to hand over our sovereignty to the United Nations”
Oh Yeah…… Who says that getting authorization to attack another country that has NOT attacked us is giving up our sovereignty???? Since when did that fall into being a role in sovereignty?
As much as you would like to twist it…… The FACTS are that this was is ILLEGAL!
Also your example is rediculous. We chose what we want to be part of. We make that decision and then we have to live by it. We chose to be part of the UN Charter, which means that we are LEGALLY bound to follow the rules. If we don’t want to, then we need to withdraw from the charter.
Until that day comes, we are bound by that as being part of our laws.
Damn, a 5th grader could figer that out.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:48 pm#86, you still haven’t answered my question… if we’re “LEGALLY bound to follow the rules” as you say, then why did Congress bother debating the Kyoto Protocol?
Or why did Congress vote on whether or not to invade Iraq? If what you say is true, then if the U.N. says we’re allowed, then we could, but if they say no, then we can’t.
For that matter, why do we give the U.N. any money? If we’re bound by them, them they pretty much *own* our money anway.
Sorry, but the U.S. is NOT by law bound to U.N. regulations.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#87
Dale,
What does any of this have to do with Gonzales and the AG situation?
March 13th, 2007 at 4:59 pmbecause #87, since you’re so slow – we debate Kyoto and other treaties to determine if we want to join them – read your constitution like others on here have told you a hundred times already. don’t post again until you do. please; it will save you some embarrassment
March 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pm#88, it was originally brought up by RemoveBush in #59. Ask him.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#89, so you agree that the U.S. is bound by law to U.N. resolutions? REALLY?
March 13th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“#87
#86, you still haven’t answered my question… if we’re “LEGALLY bound to follow the rules†as you say, then why did Congress bother debating the Kyoto Protocol?”
Because we were not a SIGNATORY of the protocal yet. They were debating whether or not we should. Maybe you should brush up on how things like this works under our system?
“Or why did Congress vote on whether or not to invade Iraq? If what you say is true, then if the U.N. says we’re allowed, then we could, but if they say no, then we can’t.”
Because they also stipulated that Bush must follow the UN Charter. They required him to go back to the UN for the second authorization!!!!! First, Bush had to get authorization from Congress……. In case you are not aware of how our Constitution works……. Congress MUST authorize the president to perfrom hostile actions.
“For that matter, why do we give the U.N. any money? If we’re bound by them, them they pretty much *own* our money anway.
Sorry, but the U.S. is NOT by law bound to U.N. regulations.
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:56 pm”
That is the MOST ASSISNINE statement I have read!!!! That’s like saying that I don’t need to file a tax return because the government has a “so called” law that says I have to file so they should be able to just take what they want and how they want because of this. WRONG!!!!
In simpler terms….. It’s like saying that a cop can shoot someone anytime they want because they have a gun and they are the law.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmOh god. Dale is here debating treaties and the Consitution. Have fun people.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“#90
#88, it was originally brought up by RemoveBush in #59. Ask him.
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 5:05 pm”
WRONG!!!!!
Me #59
“I guess that depends on how many more lifes are lost because of Bush! Can you possibly tell me how many lives Clinton lost in an ILLEGAL WAR?????”
You #72
“So we need UN approval? Can you please show me where in either the U.S. Constitution or the U.N. charter that specifies that we need UN approval for ANYTHING? Is *that* really what you’re basing your “illegal war†mantra on?
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm”
No wonder you are so wrong on everything!!!! You can’t even get what you said straight.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“#91
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so you agree that the U.S. is bound by law to U.N. resolutions? REALLY?
Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 5:05 pm”
Once more…….
What part of “shall be the supreme Law of the Land†do you NOT understand?????
March 13th, 2007 at 5:14 pmOh god. Dale is here debating treaties and the Consitution. Have fun people.
Comment by dlet — March 13, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Dale can’t figure out whether to use his right or left had to pee.
Talking treaties with him is like arm wrestling an infant.
Dale is the Boring leading the Bored
March 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pmIraq Oil Law Runs into Opposition
The next ten days or so could be critical,.,.,.,.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI’ve stayed away from TP for 2 or so weeks, and even I know not to bother with Dale.
He’s not a worthy troll.
RemoveBush,
you make excellent points – none of which will be absorbed into that pea brain.
You are better than stooping to his level.
Just saying.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm:)
In regard to Dale, in Bushlover 101, he was told how to do this.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm1. Always sidetrack the discussion from the point of the discussion.
2. Never agree to anything.
3. Bush never did anything. It was all part of Clinton’s administration.
4. BE STUPID, that way you can sucker them into coming to your level of discussion.
5. At the stupid level, you have so much practice you will always win.
#76, good, our Constitution says we have to respect treaties that we enter into; but it does NOT say that we have to hand over our sovereignty to the United Nations. Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That’s the same thing, you st*pid idiot. What do you think the WTO is – a favorite of the fair market zealots? It hands over sovereignty to the WTO courts, through treaties.
If what you’re implying was the case, then we would never have to ratify ANYTHING (like the Kyoto protocols), because the UN said so and that’s that. Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That’s a strawman. If we ratified the Kyoto, then by the ‘treaty’, we hand over that sovereignty to the UN at some level.
My point remains… Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
You never made a point – you made an ignorant and uneducated strawman.
we don’t need the UN’s approval to wage war… Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Actually we do, if it’s anything other than clear self defense after being attacked.
so if that’s the only justification that the Iraq war is illegal, then you’re mistaken. Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
If this is your argument, then you’re mistaken.
There are several basis for this war being illegal.
Aggression is illegal by our own treaties with the UN – an organization we founded.
Aggression based on lies to congress are also illegal, as only Congress has the right to grant a war.
Aggression based on the AUMF is also illegal, as it required Bush negotiate and come to a peaceful resolution if possible. It was possible, therefore the war was illegal.
There are several basis for the illegality of this war. There’s no basis to conclude you have a lick of sense though – dum bass.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pm#89, so you agree that the U.S. is bound by law to U.N. resolutions? REALLY? Comment by Dale — March 13, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Just as much as Iraq – the other signatory to the UN resolution was. It was a treaty signed by both parties – you st*pid c*nt.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmSen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) IS A SMUCK AND MEDIA WHORE
March 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmfrom wiki…good material.
Others did accept a limited right for military intervention in foreign countries, but nevertheless opposed the invasion on the basis that it was conducted without United Nations approval and was hence a violation of international law [2].
According to this position, adherence by the U.S. and the other great powers to the UN Charter and to other international treaties to which they are legally bound is not a choice but a legal obligation; exercising military power in violation of the UN Charter undermines the rule of law and is illegal vigilantism on an international scale.
Benjamin B. Ferencz, who served as the U.S.’s Chief Prosecutor of Nazi war crimes at the Nuremberg Trials following World War II, has denounced the Iraq War as an aggressive war (named at Nuremberg as “the supreme international crime”) and stated his belief that George W. Bush, as the war’s initiator, should be tried for war crimes.[3]
March 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmFlaco, you can’t even spell Shmuck properly. What a loser.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmSen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) IS A Shmuck AND MEDIA WHORE.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmTHANKS RU
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Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) IS A Shmuck AND MEDIA WHORE.
THANKS RU Comment by Flaco — March 13, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Flaco, is a c*nt, and a useless blog whore that can’t face reality, so he lashes out like a little teenage *princess*.
March 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmFlaccid flaco
March 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pmYou’re welcome. And still an idiot.
And among other things, why does Bush hate Benjamin B. Ferencz??
March 13th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWhy? Trolls>?
More Gonzales: “I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility, and my pledge to the American people is to find out what went wrong here, to assess accountability, and to make improvements so that the mistakes that occurred in this instance do not occur again in the future.â€
LYING PIECE OF SH!T!!!!!!!
March 13th, 2007 at 6:46 pmAbu GonzoLess,
“what went wrong here”
You went wrong here a$$wipe!!!
You and GW Botch and Dick(head) Chumpey and all the other loser a$$wipes Repugniscums on Earth!!!
March 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmFlaco, you say it well at 106.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:00 pmNo, Flaco, that is wrong. You need to turn that to yourself.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:02 pmI was mistaken in my previous post.
Your symbol is my reply to you and the administration in its entirety.
These losers are caught redhanded and they are forced to admit, I accept responsibility — that is not enough. They think that absolves them from repercussions for their acts. They are sadly mistaken.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:04 pmThis cabal of miscreants and thieves, criminals and liars have to go. They are a scourge on America.
They are a scourge on democracy.
They should be exiled.
Gonzales: “I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility,
I think that Gonzo cut-and-pasted that out of Bush’s ’surge’ speech. I just wish that Bush and the rest of his administration had any clue what ‘accepting responsibility’ actually means. Note that neither said that they are accepting the consequences of their actions.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pmMarie sez:
Oh yes…very well…after all, obscene ASCII art is the absolute zenith of political discourse…
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March 13th, 2007 at 7:17 pmANd why should we continue to pay the salary of Mr. K. Saxton who resigned from his job? What is he “transitioning to” in the private sector. Most people in the civilian sector who quit or are fired are not kept on the payroll while they look for another job. Under some circumstances they may qualify for Unemployment Compensation, which is usually a small part of their previous wage. Sounds like welfare for the rich and well connected to me. Bush welfare plan. Bastards should all be fired and then sent to Guantanamo for waterboarding rehab. (Especially this Saxton bastard who is a mormon right wing fundamentalist fascist extremist who reject the concept of church-state separation. )
March 13th, 2007 at 8:15 pmCorrection: the guys name is not Saxton but Sampson. A fascist by any other name is still a traitor.
March 13th, 2007 at 8:17 pmAGAIN WITH THE “I accept responsibility” CRAP, Gonzales? IF YOU REALLY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY, YOU WOULD RESIGN YOUR OFFICE, BUT SINCE YOU ARE A MEMBER OF Bushland Uber Allies, YOU FEEL THAT JUST BY ADMITTING YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOU ARE ALSO ABSOLVED OF ALL BLAME AND THEREFORE DO NOT HAVE TO RESIGN TO SHOW YOUR SINCERITY–WHAT UNMITIGATED ROT AND CLAP-TRAP!!!!! KIND OF LIKE THE KID WHO KILLS BOTH HIS PARENTS AND THEN PLEADS FOR MERCY ON THE GROUNDS THAT HE’S AN ORPHAN–WAIT A MINUTE, WASN’T THAT Lyle and Erik Menendez? ARE YOU RELATED TO THESE MURDEROUS QUEER URCHINS, Gonzales?
March 14th, 2007 at 12:14 am[...] Media outlets have reported this week that Sampson, Gonzales’ ex-chief of staff, resigned over the U.S. Attorney scandal on Monday. But as ThinkProgress noted, Gonzales on Tuesday made vague remarks during his press conference indicating that Sampson was still on the department payroll. “His transition — as a technical matter, he is at the Department as he transitions out and looks for another employment.” [...]
March 16th, 2007 at 5:43 pm