Pelosi: ‘We Don’t Need Moral Judgment From The Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs’
Pelosi: ‘We Don’t Need Moral Judgment From The Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs’
At a press conference today, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) responded to yesterday’s remarks by Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace calling homosexuality “immoral” and comparing it to adultery.
“We need the most talented people, we need the language skills, we need patriotic Americans who exist across the board in our population,” Pelosi said, calling on the military to “carefully consider” reversing the ban on gay service members. “We don’t need moral judgment from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.” Watch it:
Senior aides to Pace said today that he “won’t apologize for calling homosexuality immoral” despite calls by advocacy groups.
Transcript:
PELOSI: I was disappointed in the moral judgment that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs made this morning, or whenever it was, reported this morning, and I was more interested in the statement made by Gen. Shalikashvilii, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, when he said that, “If America is ready for a military policy of nondiscrimination based on sexual orientation, the timing of the change should be carefully considered.” I think the military should carefully consider changing the policy. We need the most talented people, we need the language skills, we need patriotic Americans who exist across the board in our population. We don’t need moral judgment from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
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Kick ass, Nancy!
March 13th, 2007 at 12:53 pmExactly, Ms. Speaker. If Pace is a “general”, then he should only speak to how a homosexual might directly impact military operations and if gays beome part of the military openly, then he should insure that troops accept that decision. Period. If Pace is a “reverend”, then he should stick to talking to his congregation.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:54 pmHomosexuals are Immoral.
We do not use the”I” word here at TP unless it is used for Bush.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:54 pmLick Zooeys ass, Nancy!
March 13th, 2007 at 12:55 pmSexual orientation is more important than the security of our nation according to the wingnuts.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:56 pmThe general needs to be questioned on the morality of the invasion of a soverign nation under false pretense, torture, propaganda and the use of white phosphorous.
The general needs to explain the morality of occupying a country in the middle of a civil war where the occupier cannot protect either side let alone their own forces.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:57 pmFlaco is Immoral.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:59 pmEspecially when our military is so hurting for warm bodies that it’s waiving the other moral restrictions and allowing ex-convicts and folks who would otherwise have been rejected for things like drug convictions and such to join up.
But apparently things like theft, murder, illegal drug use and all of that are less immoral than homosexuality…
March 13th, 2007 at 12:59 pmPace has risen to the top by fellating those above him in the first place (I have never heard one statement from him that was not the party line).
Takes a lot of nerve to criticise others.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:59 pm#3…
March 13th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThe “I” word? You mean Incompetent?
Homosexuals are Immoral.
We do not use theâ€I†word here at TP unless it is used for Bush.
Comment by Flaco — March 13, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Lick Zooeys ass, Nancy! Comment by Flaco — March 13, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
You, Flaco, are Immoral. And Idiotic. And Insufferable. And Incontinent. And Irrelevant. Would you like to see a few more “I” words here at TP, not used for Bush?
March 13th, 2007 at 1:01 pmBill Hicks made fun of this topic by immitating a US troop, saying (roughly):
“I don’t want to see a homosexual next to me while I’m busy killing children! That’s just disgusting!”
March 13th, 2007 at 1:02 pmHomosexuals are Immoral. Comment by Flaco
Prove it.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:02 pm“I was disappointed in the moral judgment that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs made… ”
Way to go Speaker Pelosi! You stand for TRUE American values, of allowing everyone the chance to succeed.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:02 pmLick Zooeys ass, Nancy!
Comment by Flaco
A truly ironic statement, Flaco, after preaching that we don’t use the word Immoral.
Think real hard about that, dear, you might figure out that you are a moron of the highest order.
Do try not to strain any brain muscles.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThe general needs to be questioned on the morality of armed forces where every female soldier needs to have a female companion with her to go to the latrines at night.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:06 pmFor protection from male troops, in her same unit.
And where the ordeal of having to wake someone at night, just to go to the latrine with her, causes soldiers to not drink enough water that they have died in their sleep from dehydration.
This is documented, so spare me the troll attacks…
Not to impugn your forensic skills, Zooey, but I’d hardly classify Flaco’s incoherent gibberings as ‘argument’. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Just a special moment between me and my troll. :P
Comment by Zooey
Lick Zooeys ass, Nancy!
Comment by Flaco
Ergo, Flaco is an ass.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:07 pmFlaco is still immoral.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThis is documented, so spare me the troll attacks…
Comment by Raven
where?
March 13th, 2007 at 1:10 pmSpeaker Pelosi: please hold a news conference explaining why you agreed to strip the provision which mandated that Bush go before congress before waging war with Iran.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHomosexuals are Immoral. Comment by Flaco
Homophobes are Immoral.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:14 pmIf Adultery and Homosexuality are both considered immoral - wouldn’t that kind of stigmatize several of those running on the GOP ticket for President?
March 13th, 2007 at 1:16 pmNo more HOMOPHOBES or HATE group type people like Pace iin the military!
“People” like Pace are the REAL PROBLEM in America.
They spend more time spilling out their DISCRIMINATORY UN AMERICAN viewpoints instead of fighting a war with a plan or taking care of our veterans with good quality health care.
These do do head needs to be fired!
March 13th, 2007 at 1:22 pmPace is a faggot.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:25 pmI wonder if Pace even considered the likelihood that his irrational comment will more than likely be used by Fred Phelps and the WBC at their picketing of soldiers funerals
Good Job there Gen Pace, give rhetorical ammunition to as nasty a parasite as Phelps and the rest of his in-bred clan that makes up the Westboro Baptist Church
Now, let’s see if Pace has the guts to say that blather to the families of gay soldiers and marines killed in combat
March 13th, 2007 at 1:27 pmRight on!
March 13th, 2007 at 1:31 pm#19… klyde…
March 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pmOn the radio program Democracy Now, National Public Radio.
The particular broadcast aired about a week ago on the International Day of the Woman.
It was on one of the same days when Busch was in Brazil, sorry I can’t be more precise about the time.
This is not the first time this situation has been reported on, it began relatively early in the Iraq invasion.
Gen Pace should retire to a life of liesurely Salsa manufacturing.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pmDear Nancy Pelosi,
please put impeachment back on the table.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:39 pmIs that you Flaco? I thought I recognized you, it’s me Teddy Haggard. You remember that little threesome we had with Jeffy Gannon last summer. Oh and here’s Darryl, the guy who called us nasty and was spanking us while he whacked off reciting Leviticus.
Good times….good times.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWe do not need politicians telling us what is moral or immoral either.
Morality is an individual thing.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWe do not need politicians telling us what is moral or immoral either.
Morality is an individual thing.
Comment by hacker bob
Nancy Pelosi: I think the military should carefully consider changing the policy. We need the most talented people, we need the language skills, we need patriotic Americans who exist across the board in our population.
Sounds like a logical comment to me. I don’t see the injection of morality in it though. Please point that out.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHomosexuals are Immoral.
We do not use theâ€I†word here at TP unless it is used for Bush.
Comment by Flaco — March 13, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Says who Flaccid?
March 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pmPace doesn’t know the difference between man’s law and God’s law- not that it would make any difference to the likes of an ignorant, morally-deficient coward like him. Who put him up to this, anyway? I’m sure it didn’t originate in his primitive grey matter.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:56 pmWhile we’re on the subject of morality, we’ve never had such an immoral administration in this country. And General Pace has the nerve to say “homosexuality is immoral”. How many Iraqi babies have you killed today, General Pace?
March 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by dlet — March 13, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
I never said Nancy said it. My statement was pretty simple, don’t read too much into it.
But if you want to disect statements:
Nancy does not even know if it was a moral judgement…
And she does not know if America is ready for a change in policy and she is not saying that she is pushing for a change in policy.
PERSONALLY, I could care less. But that is MY opinion. Pace has a right to his opinion, Pelosi has a right to her opinion.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThis is documented, so spare me the troll attacks…
Comment by Raven
where?
Comment by klyde — March 13, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Klyde, Raven does real, constructive work around here. So you run along and look stuff up yourself. Or you could just stuff it up yourself. Whatever.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pmWow I’m hearing Pace’s comments on CNN right now and it sounds even dumber than it did in print.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThat would be the one where Amy Goodman talked with an expert in sexual violence in the military. I watched that episode.
The source of the allegation was Col Janis Karpinski and it lacks credibility. The problem of sexual harrassment and sexual abuse is real and pervasive. (Although it is less than in the general population.) When someone like Col Karpinski slings ridiculous stories like that around it hurts real efforts to battle sexual violence.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:04 pmJust because Gen Pace said homosexual acts are immoral does not make them so. He should have said that he believes them to be so. There is quite a difference.
March 13th, 2007 at 2:08 pmHey shane I asked Raven a question she answered. I disagree with it but I do so respectfully. You on the other hand can go f*ck yourself assw*pe!
March 13th, 2007 at 2:10 pmAs a straight vet, I can tell you that me and my friends did some CRAZY stuff when I was in the USN. I don’t think allowing out gays is giong to sink the morality ship. Also, I bet most gays would keep their pref. fairly private.
I think the real issue is bigotry to openly gay soldiers. That is the real issue, what do we do about that?
March 13th, 2007 at 2:23 pmShane, dude, chill…;)
March 13th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI understood klyde (and understand him to be on “our side” as well) in that he was just asking for info…
Peace, love, happiness and all that jazz…
(Oh, and, pain and doom to trolls…)
Sorry Raven. But you contribute such valuable info I thought you were just being sidetracked again. There was a lot of that going on yesterday. Find me the source, find me the source.
Sorry Klyde
March 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThe Chairman of the Joint Chiefs speaking on morality?
The most immoral act in the world is killing another human being and he is the Chairman of the Joint Death Committee.
He has not a leg to stand on on the grounds on “morality”
Mere obfuscation by the “Chairman of the Grim Reaper Society”
March 13th, 2007 at 3:02 pmFu*ck off Fluffer Flacco.
Fluffernutter Flacco. The easiest shill this side of the Mississippi.
Heh.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pmHey Shane, I want to thank you for the compliment about doing constructive work, seems to me all I do is contribute backhanded insults and (hopefully witty)snarkisms…
March 13th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI think perhaps klyde was sidetracked, he(?) thinks I’m a woman ( blush)….
So many people, so little thought. If they were to change the law to allow the openly gay to serve. ANY person in the military could then demand an out. Yep they have a contract, and if you modify it you have to get tehm to sign it again.
So, go ahead, see the outcome.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI think perhaps klyde was sidetracked, he thinks I’m a woman ( blush)….
Comment by Raven
Sorry only because I went to jr high school with a girl whose given name was Raven. What do they call that transference?
March 13th, 2007 at 3:47 pmpaulie sez:
Interesting point, paulie. If correct, it could explain why the Army’s so reticent to change the policy….they know damned well that they’d see upwards of 80-90% refusal, now that the soldiers know what they know.
March 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThank goodness for strict censorship, TP!! (sarc off)
Is SpEAKettE Pelosi still calling herself a Catholic? Let’s see…anti-death penalty, OK…..good. Pro-choice, doesn’t have a problem with gay sexual behaviour…..Hmmmm, well one out of three isn’t bad, right Pope Benedict?
General Pace is entitled to his opinions -I trust that is still allowed in the politically correct progressive sphere.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:05 pmCertainly no offense taken, klyde, transference, yes, and I’ve also been commenting a number of times today regarding women’s issues…
March 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI think America, and the world at large, would be better served, and be a more peacable place if women had (at least) an equal place…
Who the HELL wants that kracker’s apology? It wouldn’t mean a thing. Just be glad this Bush rumpswab revealed himself - like that wasn’t predictable.
BTW notice whenever Congress is bearing down on the Imbecilic, Idiotic, Inept, Immoral, Intransient Bush scandals, some indecent wingnut conveniently bloviates (i.e. :shares” their values) and the media gratefully diverts attention from the issue, the Purge of the U.S. Attorneys, and it’s “You Owe Us An Apology/No I Won’t” kubuki theater time?
Last week it was Coultergeist, now Pastor Pace serves his Commander’s Codpiece. How many times are we going to allow the fascists to play, spay and splay us?
March 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmPeter, please come out of the closet.
March 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#53 - ” BTW notice whenever Congress is bearing down….”
BEARING DOWN????????Oh, such a precious sentiment!
The following shows you hopw a November landslide emboldened Dem Leaders:
From the AP: “House Democratic leaders are backing away from a plan to scale back U.S. involvement in the Iraq war by using Congress’ most powerful tool — withholding money in the budget.”
March 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pm“Instead, party officials said Tuesday, leaders are weighing a proposal that would attempt to embarrass Bush into abandoning his war strategy. Under a plan discussed behind closed doors, Democrats probably would fund President Bush’s entire $93.4 billion request for war spending this year but require that any troops sent into battle that don’t meet certain standards receive a presidential waiver and that Congress be notified of the shortcoming.”
While I totally disagree with with GEN Pace had to say, it really is up to Congress to change the law on DADT. The military can’t change the policy many more than I can change the policy on speed limits and stay within the law.
This Congress has the means to do so, so do it!
March 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThank goodness for strict censorship, TP!! (sarc off) Comment by valiant venus — March 13, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
If you don’t like censorship, start your own blog - st*pid c*nt!
Is SpEAKettE Pelosi still calling herself a Catholic? Let’s see…anti-death penalty, OK…..good. Pro-choice, doesn’t have a problem with gay sexual behaviour…..Hmmmm, well one out of three isn’t bad, right Pope Benedict?
You still call yourself a Christian - or are you a Jew again this week. You change your story so often, it’s hard to keep up with your lies. So if we converge all of your various claims, you’re OK for some abortion, and some death penalty, and you think it’s OK to be gay if you’re a closet case, but you’re pro-war. Hmmm… Wonder what the pope would think about your values - st*pid c*nt?
General Pace is entitled to his opinions -I trust that is still allowed in the politically correct progressive sphere. Comment by valiant venus — March 13, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
And we’re entitled to fire bigots who want to thrust their opinions and social engineering on everyone else. He can have his opinion, but like yourself, you should keep them to yourself. They just prove to the world how st*pid and uninformed both of you are!
March 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pmBEARING DOWN????????Oh, such a precious sentiment!
The following shows you hopw a November landslide emboldened Dem Leaders: Comment by valiant venus — March 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
When Congress realized that you hated Dems so much you’d starve the troops out rather than bring them home - we were generous enough to save you and our military from your bad judgment. You’re welcome for our generosity - st*pid c*nt.
Eat a donut, you look like the “Speakette’s” excreted lunch from yesterday, on your myspace page!
March 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI think perhaps klyde was sidetracked, he thinks I’m a woman ( blush)….
Comment by Raven
Sorry only because I went to jr high school with a girl whose given name was Raven. What do they call that transference?
Comment by klyde — March 13, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
IRONY - My sister’s name is Raven, I knew Raven here is a guy, and I’m a woman.
March 13th, 2007 at 5:58 pmEat a donut, you look like the “Speakette’s†excreted lunch from yesterday, on your myspace page!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — March 13, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
March 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmThank goodness you’re here because ValiantVenus is THE most annoying troll around.
How about sharing her myspace link. That would be fun.
#60 - ” because ValiantVenus is THE most annoying troll around……”
Thank you! It’s tedious work correcting progressive myth and exposing the traitorous fifth column for what it is - enemy sympathizers….but someone has to do it….
March 13th, 2007 at 6:11 pmShane, I agree. She’s another Ann Coulter clone, that formulaically tries to *feminize* liberals, to cover up their own *impotence*, while pushing a *Nationalist* rhetoric that more aptly belongs on a tiny German man, with an ugly mustache and delusions of grandeur.
Here’s a great article on the entire schtick of this fringe group, and how it has collapsed under its own failure.
http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ kamiya/ 2007/ 03/ 13/ coulter/
She’s a complete lunatic. She one made a sick joke about a supposedly *dead-child* of hers - that doesn’t even exist. She also has made jokes about mass murdering arabs, and economic destruction of everyone in the middle east that isn’t Israel. Anyone that disagrees with even the smallest of Israeli policies she labels as an anti-semitic terrorist. To call her a *fringe* zionist is a very, very, kind description. She’s a complete fraud, and disgusting excuse for a human being. She needs to share the same padded cell that Coulter should be placed in.
Here’s her page, although you have to look carefully, she’ll disappear on the page when she turns sideways.
http://profile.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
March 13th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThank you! It’s tedious work correcting progressive myth and exposing the traitorous fifth column for what it is - enemy sympathizers….but someone has to do it…. Comment by valiant venus — March 13, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Just by speaking here, you expose yourself, and all of your *traiterous* Nationalists. Mighty Anorexic!
What’s *tedious* is you trying to pass off your Ann Coulter *vomit* as anything new, original, relevant, factual or sane. You fcuking freaks are nothing more than a has-been movement that is sinking the GOP. I’m glad you post here - and I’m happy to make fun of you in front of the whole world, about what a lying vicious, deceitful c*nt you are.
You don’t my help in showing that you’re all of those things - but it sure is fun to make fun of your st*pid boney *ss all over the internet!!!! You’re nothing more than Ann Coulter’s bowel movement - c*nt.
March 13th, 2007 at 6:21 pmI don’t want this close-minded bigoted homophobe in charge of “fighting for my freedomsâ€. This guy and the fact that he commands such a lofty place in our country’s chain of defense make me sick and embarrassed as an American.
March 13th, 2007 at 6:34 pmFor Shane (dear dudette), and klyde, and all those other Ravens out there…
March 13th, 2007 at 6:42 pmplease play the theme to the twilight zone in you heads….:)
Dear Progressives - I have a question: If Nan doesn’t ‘..Need Moral Judgment From The Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs’ regarding
March 13th, 2007 at 7:09 pmhomosexuality - is Nan’s endorsement of homosexuality a “moral judgment”?
[…] who engage in homosexual conduct from serving in the military, despite calls from Nancy “Braniac” […]
March 13th, 2007 at 7:15 pmDid you know that the planet Venus is a sulferous, carbon dioxide overloaded, petrochemically smog obscured example of a runaway green house effect?
March 13th, 2007 at 7:20 pmOf course the General can personally think whatever he likes. He can even be opposed to gays in the military for some of the more traditionally stated reasons.
It is, however, improper is anyone in his position to categorize sexual persuasion in terms of morality. OK, so is unwed fornication or use of birth control, in some circles…..but it doesn’t mean that you deny heterosexuals access to the military because they may practice it.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pmYou all can think what you like abot the fine Gen. Pace… but the truth is HE IS ENFORCING FEDERAL LAW AS DETERMINED BY THE CONGRESS. go here if you don’t believe me
if Pelosi, et al. were actually interested in changing the policy, they could. but they won’t (’cause then they couldn’t stand in front of the microphones pontificating). jees.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmEargy - So Nan’s supporting homosexuals and their defining behaviour is not a liberal “moral” judgment…. (Pssst …this question is purposely NOT complicated…)
March 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pmre #48: I have no idea where “paulie” gets his/her information, but it is completely wrong! As a 20 year veteran I can attest that the government can change the conditions of your service (promised training, duty stations, even length of service) if necessity requires it and you are still required to fulfill the service obligation you originally signed for. Besides, the DADT policy is not part of any contract; it is part of Military Regulations and they can be changed at any time without affecting anyone’s contractual obligations.
March 13th, 2007 at 7:56 pmI think we’re dealing with a first-year business major here…
Dear Progressives - I have a question: If Nan doesn’t ‘..Need Moral Judgment From The Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs’ regarding
homosexuality - is Nan’s endorsement of homosexuality a “moral judgment� Comment by valiant venus — March 13, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
So you believe *equal-rights-for-all-americans* is a *moral-judgment*?
Thanks for proving to the world that you and the rest of your Nationalists are immoral c*nts!
March 13th, 2007 at 7:57 pmEargy - So Nan’s supporting homosexuals and their defining behaviour is not a liberal “moral†judgment…. (Pssst …this question is purposely NOT complicated…) Comment by valiant venus — March 13, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Pssst… Like you could ever ask a complicated question - BAH!
A st*pid quest - yep. That’s all a st*pid Anorexic c*nt like you could ever ask!
Allowing people to make their own choices without condemning this is a form of *morality* indeed. One that an immoral and st*pid hateful venom filled c*nt like you wouldn’t understand. But it’s the morality of not-judging. It doesn’t require you to *support* anything, except the rights of others to choose.
However your strawman proves that you support the rights of *bigots* to spew hatred and oppression against others.
Answer me this Might C*nt! Have you always been a self loathing homophobe? Or is it the result of you being so Skinny that you no longer get your monthly reminder that you’re a woman? Perhaps you’re on your way to a more *manly* life?
Whatever it is, your self-loathing is appropriate. You’re a disgusting miserable st*pid c*NT!
March 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmDo us all a favor valiant venus/ Might Aphrodite. Crawl back into Ann Coulter’s *ss - where you came from. The stink in the room from your presence is putrid.
March 13th, 2007 at 8:07 pm[…] Speaker of the House, Representative Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), said: I was disappointed in the moral judgment that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs made this morning, […]
March 13th, 2007 at 8:31 pmMarch 13th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
#51 Thank goodness for strict censorship, TP!! (sarc off)
If TP was strict about censorship you would not be allowed back with a different name, MA.
March 13th, 2007 at 10:20 pmWrongo, JPork. I have on occasion been slightly sarcastic here at TP - but the real problem was the teensy little name hijacker with the vulgar tone. Ifind the less I engage her, the less vile it becomes.
The powers that be might have to yank his latest little snippet of originality. Unlike you, TP, is not afraid of alternative opinions. They don’t like to point out the Dems positive agenda, but I’m sure that’s just around the corner.
I visited the Kucinich site and I’m surprised he has not gotten more traction - his positions seem right up the progressive alley.
I did enjoy having the SpeakeTTE take the “high” moral ground and let us know that anything goes…….a few of us suspected as much.
March 13th, 2007 at 11:30 pmLOOKS LIKE Pace IS AIMING TO GET REPLACED BY THE QUEERS OF Bushland Uber Allies LED BY CHIMPya, Rove, Cheney, Gonzales, ET CETERA AD NAUSEUM!!!!!
March 13th, 2007 at 11:51 pmThat’s really interesting. Unfortunately Valiant Venus is just full of SHIT.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:00 amComment by merciful mercury — March 13, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
March 14th, 2007 at 1:05 amSorry #78 was for you but I was just being snotty about VV and forgot to reference it. Just reading her posts is making me less intelligent.
Regarding General Pace and his aversion to homosexuals:
Me thinks the LADY doth protest too much!
March 14th, 2007 at 1:06 amShane - Your mom was being kind when she told you my posts were making you “less intelligent”. She didn’t want you to feel badly riding the short bus…..She’s a dear….and so patient with you!
March 14th, 2007 at 1:17 amShe didn’t want you to feel badly riding the short bus…..She’s a dear….and so patient with you! Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 1:17 am
That’s not sarcasm, that’s c*ntism Mighty Coulter wannabe.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:00 am[…] than a few bloggers (here, here, here, here and here just to name a few of the more prominent ones) are jumping up and down on the Chairman for his […]
March 14th, 2007 at 8:30 amWow… I am actually dumber for having stopped by here. You “thinkprogress” folks are really moving the cause forward. Well, done!
pathetic
March 14th, 2007 at 9:12 am#83 - Don’t mistake the trolls with the Progressive’s.
The only “movement” the trolls know are ones that come from the bowel, and boy do they “move” all over the posts!
March 14th, 2007 at 1:00 pmSince when do we not need moral judgment from our leaders? Where would we be without the courageous moral leadership of Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King and others to overturn slavery and fight for civil rights for blacks in the US?
In his 1963 “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” Rev. King wrote, “A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.” This week General Pace is drawing the same kind of moral conclusion as King as, it appears, he looks to God’s moral law for guidance. We need this kind of leadership in a society where it is becoming far more common to follow our passions, rather than an established moral anchor.
I’m thankful for leaders like General Pace. If we succumb to Rep. Pelosi’s call to abandon moral judgment, we will only drift steadily toward the tyranny of what feels good at the moment - in other words, anarchy.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pmGays and lesbians shed the same red blood as any of us.They die, are injured ,survive in one piece, are discharged or continue their careers in the military-not unlike all of us who have served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq and Afganistan. Keep moral judgements in your own pocket, Gen Pace.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:22 pmMs Pelosi stated we need talented people, language skills and Patriotic Americans in regards to General Pace. Check out her bio next to General Pace. Politicians are a dime a dozen. This is America, freedom of speech, whether she agrees with General Pace or not, he has a right to his opinion like every other American!
March 16th, 2007 at 8:57 am[…] she wanted the military to fire him. Pam Spaulding of Pandagon wanted him gone as well. Even Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, told us that the chairman shouldn’t let us know about … — as though Mrs Pelosi hasn’t been perfectly willing to let us know what she thinks […]
March 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI sruggle with ethics, don’t think I don’t. I was raised Catholic, but in learning of protestant ideas, I quit going and have lived in frustrated confusion ever since. So I don’t fit with athiests or religious people very well. Still I have an opinion if you want to hear me out.
One thing seems clear… The need for moral judgement from the joint Chiefs is desperately needed. Nancy Pelosi is wrong. I may be taking this out of context. It’s a bit gray. There is much fear by many that the attacks of 911 at the world trade center was an inside job (see http://www.infowars.com) It is put for that operation Northwoods back in 1962 would have seen the military bomb US cities to trick the American People to support a war on Cuba. All the Joint chiefs approved the plan. The Commander in Chief, John F Kennedy said NO! I believe the joint chiefs SHOULD hAVE exercised moral judgement in this situation, but didn’t. Now we have a President that cannot even understand why torture is a bad policy , even if that judgement is not made on the basis of religion. So now Pelosi doesn’t want Moral Judgement on the part of the Joint Chiefs? I believe the joint chiefs need to make moral judgement that applies to the MILITARY. Be thankful that the military keeps out of our civilian lives! When civilians deny moral judgement to Military leaders affecting how thier own troops must behave we have crossed the line… a dangerous line. At least if we insist that such people be allowed in, the option should be given the military on how to position these troops.
My own position, if given the duty to protect my people in combat would look something like this:
For years it was policy to have men only in combat position. When the troops returned from combat, they could go out and get sex in a civilian situation. Now we get situations such as rape of women, and peeps don’t know why? One must become an animal in combat situations. Hormones including adrenaline run high. After killing a bunch of people, I’m sure rape seems trivial to some of these men. And the higher stress becomes, some snap. Some bad people get into the military and don’t need the stress of war to do bad things. Why do peeps think that for so long, men wanted their daughters to stay out of the military?. Believe me I do not condone any rape. If I was in the military and some gay guy raped me, I would probably kill him. Is it wrong? God says that it’s wrong to kill, so war is already wrong. I’m sure if war was enough to excuse a rape, I think I would be justified in killing my rapist. But situations like this are best avoided. That’s why a tight knit group fights better and survives better. If women and gays must be in the military, let them have thier own units. Segregate them. If women want to be in the military segregate them. People want to say being homosexual is OK. I think to some its not OK and those people should be respected as well. If a straight person would object to a stranger of the opposite sex watching them in the bathroom, out of fear , why can’t gay people understand how creepy it is for some straight person would be uncomfortable with a gay person watching, especially if that other person were twice as big or strong.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:54 pm