Brownback ‘applauds’ Pace’s homophobic comments.
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Brownback ‘applauds’ Pace’s homophobic comments.
Today Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) circulated a letter in support of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace: “The question is whether personal moral beliefs should disqualify an individual from positions of leadership in the U.S. military? We think not. General Pace’s recent remarks do not deserve the criticism they have received. In fact, we applaud General Pace for maintaining a personal commitment to moral principles.”
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Good for Senator Brownback!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:43 pmDidn’t Gen. Pace call “homosexual ACTS” immoral? There is a difference.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGood for Senator Brownback!
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
That’s true. Not all GOP are honest enough to admit that they’re bigoted self righteous homophobes like you and Brownback.
Tell me PatrickZero. Were you aware that *homophobia* is a clinically recognized mental illness?
Good for you admitting you have a problem – it’s your first step to recovery! The second step will be when you recognize the homophobia stems from your *own* sexual confusion! Bah!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pmI agree with Patrick1.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAgain, of all the immoral behaviors out there to focus on, these boys like to focus on gay sex.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:47 pmDunkin’ Hunter and Brownback… ironic ain’t it
March 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pmHomosexual behavior was once a clinically recognized mental illness as well.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pmHomophobia means a fear of sodomites, which I don’t have. Homosexuality is either a mental disorder or a birth defect I will leave it to you a self proclaimed expert to tell me which one.
As far as Brownback and Pace are concerned, telling the truth is not bigoted.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pmI see that TP edited the post to delete “Earlier this week, Pace called homosexuality ‘immoral’ and compared it to adultery.” For the record, that was what my post #2 was directed toward.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pmForTruth:
I actually think heterosexual immorality and abortion is a bigger problem. That doesn’t mean I should let this one slide though.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI do think these administration mouthpieces want to change the subject from the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed. The way they’ve done it–by condemning gays–is absolutely despicable. Pace is a coward, Brownback is a coward, and they are just kowtowing to Bush’s cowardly base.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:51 pmJake,
Your boys seem to think this one is most important, time and time again.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI actually think heterosexual immorality and abortion is a bigger problem. That doesn’t mean I should let this one slide though.
Comment by Jake
As long as you’re on the job Jake, America is safe.
**eyes rolling**
March 14th, 2007 at 4:53 pmAll this hydrophobic frothing about homosexual persons in the military is simply so much chaff being thrown about to deflect the fact that the Emperor has no clothes, and the disgusting pack of wormtongues who have sheltered his unsuitable and incompetent sorry a$$ from view are dropping one by one.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:53 pmJake,
Who put you in charge of morality?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:54 pmBeen to this argument with the trolls before. The argument ends with the trolls saying all the research and development that went into the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental disorders was influenced by liberals. And its been a long time since that manual stated homosexuality was a mental disorder. And its not considered a birth defect either. At least the entire feild of medicine and behavioral health thinks this. Its the non-doctors, non-psychiatrists in the 30%er category that feel this would be a mental disorder, a birth defect, or spiritual problem.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pmOn topic —
Keep talking, Never Gonna Be President Brownback.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThe question is whether personal moral beliefs should disqualify an individual from positions of leadership in the U.S. military? We think not. Nor the US Congress, so you’re safe, Senator.
The GOP lays claim to being the party of God, or more morally righteous than the Dems – yet they harbor the most pedophiles and closeted homosexuals. Not all republicans are sexual deviants – but most sexual deviants are republicans.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:56 pmHomosexual behavior was once a clinically recognized mental illness as well.
Comment by Jake
Back when prefrontal lobotomies were all the rage. We’ve learned a little since then.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWhat a bunch of repressed, uptight, probably Oedipal, cro-magnons.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:59 pmUgh.
#7 Black were considered 3/5 of a person at one time too. so what?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#2, 4, & 7 – Hey Jake!
Why do you keep ducking the question?
Where’s your so-called “proof†that Pres. Clinton fired attorneys 6 years into his term for political reasons?
Why do you cut & run when asked to back up your assertions??
March 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThen if it is not a mental disorder or a birth defect it is chosen behavior and therefore can be classified as immoral.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pmConservatives in America: 30% and proud.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pmtrueblue!
I can’t stop thinking about gay sex! :D
March 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pm8. Homophobia means a fear of sodomites, which I don’t have. Homosexuality is either a mental disorder or a birth defect I will leave it to you a self proclaimed expert to tell me which one.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Peabrain1 – did ever occur to you that homosexuals are just different than heterosexuals. Just like you can’t accept that Democrats are just different than Republicans not necessarily bad or stupid as you insist. Must you denigrate anything that is different than you.
And by the way, that’s what bigoted means.
And by the way since you a a non-practicing heterosexual what is the difference between you and a nonpracticing homosexual?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:02 pmI’m waiting for an answer.
Homosexual behavior was once a clinically recognized mental illness as well. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
And Slavery was once recognized as a *moral* institution, and we burned *witches* because of their *magic*. Then we learned something. Well some of us did.
See *Scientific* analysis showed that it wasn’t mental illness, but those with severe aversions to it do suffer from a mental illness. Isn’t science wonderful – huh?
It is for those of us that *get* it.
The rest of you are doomed to living and acting like you’re in the dark ages.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pmgoose1:
Blacks do not choose their skin color.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI actually think heterosexual immorality and abortion is a bigger problem. That doesn’t mean I should let this one slide though.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Ah, here’s the *proof* that you don’t *think*!
March 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThis isn’t news. Of course all normal Americans are fine with people having personal beliefs. If we weren’t, we wouldn’t be able to find anyone to be a leader. Everyone has personal beliefs afterall. In this case, his personal beliefs are in line with the rule of law even so it isn’t even a controversy.
I personally don’t agree with him at all and think its fine for homosexuals to be in the military. Either way, Freedom of Speech is highly important which I am sure everyone on this site agrees with. How can anyone be upset with someone using Free speech to vote a personal belief that is inline with the stated law? That would be childish. Of course he shouldn’t apoligize. He was simply voicing a personal belief equal to military law in a FREE country. I would have guessed the Dems would be the folks on his side in this case. Your the people who of all people stand up for Free Speech even when the speech is against the common beliefs and even when it is an opinion that disagrees with the rule of law. This speech was supporting the law. You just sound like hypocrits not supporting this man. How is free speech ok only if you agree with what is said?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI can’t stop thinking about gay sex! :D
Comment by Zooey
I’ll think of a comeback when I stop laughing!
March 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pmYes, immoral behavior is different. Your point is?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pmPatrick’s1 and only real talent is the ability to be the first post on any given thread.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThen if it is not a mental disorder or a birth defect it is chosen behavior and therefore can be classified as immoral. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Is your hair color a *birth defect*? Differences in physical or characteristics don’t mean something is a birth defect just because you don’t like the characteristic – dum bass.
As for it being a *chosen* behavior, only a gay person that’s *chosing* to be in the closet ever makes that st*pid statement.
Come out, come out, patrickZero, then you and VinceP can move in together, and maybe he’ll STFU about Islam if he has something else to play with.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pmDemocrat Solider:
EVERY U.S. Attorney Clinton fired was based, at least in part, on political reasons — it’s a POLITICAL appointment for God’s sake — just that those investigating Rostenkowsi and Whitewater were more “political” than others.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pmBlacks do not choose their skin color.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Not true, just look at Michael Jackson ;)
March 14th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThen if it is not a mental disorder or a birth defect it is chosen behavior and therefore can be classified as immoral.
Comment by Patrick1
You are very confident in your judgment of others.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:07 pmYour god is pissed at you now.
Satan is stoking the fires for your welcome.
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus:
So, you think that homosexual immorality is a bigger problem?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pmBlacks do not choose their skin color.
Comment by Jake
Aaarrrrgggghhh!
Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual, either!
Who would decide, “Yep. I want to live a life of discrimination and sometimes violent opposition towards myself. Yeah. That’s for me.”
Would you read a medical journal, for crissake.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pmYou may actually learn something.
#27 – But you choose to “cut & run” from posting your “evidence” that Pres. Clinton fired attorneys in his 6th year of office.
That counts as a mental disorder that could be cured if you would only cite your source of information.
Until you do, you’re mentally disordered, Jake.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pmYou too, Jake.
God is displeased, and Satan is happy he’ll see you soon.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pmi posted this on the FAST thread, answering a question from big papa…
i do think pace’s comment was SUPPOSED to distract from the shame of the army hopsitals… i don’t think it worked so well, that way…
i did hear another opinion on the “dont ask†policy that i thought was intriguing…
March 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pmthis guy said he agreed with it because it kept the gays under cover and if they were open then, what? would they have to have their own dorm? if a guy wanted to live in quarters among other gays, whom he is attracted to, then why couldn’t a straight guy live among the females, that HE is attracted to ?… eh? …
i’m not saying i agree, but i thought that was a reasonable point…
…
Again, hair color is a product of genetics, I asked the question earlier if homosexuality was a birth defect or mental disorder and the consensus of the leftists on here is that it is not. Then it must be chosen behavior, which of course hair color or skin color are not.
Come on lefties at least make it a little challenging.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:10 pmSo, you think that homosexual immorality is a bigger problem?
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
So you think homosexuality is *immoral*? BAHAHAA, whoever said you were st*pid, was being generous!
March 14th, 2007 at 5:11 pm#
goose1:
Blacks do not choose their skin color.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Jake, homosexuals don’t choose their sexuality.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:12 pmAgain, hair color is a product of genetics, I asked the question earlier if homosexuality was a birth defect or mental disorder and the consensus of the leftists on here is that it is not. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Actually birth defects and mental disorders are also often the product of genetics as well. But see, that’s the problem with you unscientific *useful-idiots* of the right. You can’t distinguish between a *characteristic* and a *defect*. So I’ll help you out. Being Gay is a characteristic. Being a Homophobic Conservative is a *defect* :)
Then it must be chosen behavior, which of course hair color or skin color are not. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Behavior? Hmm… You mean like *seeing* with a given eye color? Behavior doesn’t change whether someone is *gay*, any more than eye color changes whether someone can see. Idiot.
Come on lefties at least make it a little challenging.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Come on righties at least bring up something that doesn’t make you look like a st*pid 6 year old! Grade schools bring up better arguments than stupid childish little c*nts like yourself can muster!
How old are you princess – 5?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:14 pm“EVERY U.S. Attorney Clinton fired was based, at least in part, on political reasons — it’s a POLITICAL appointment for God’s sake — just that those investigating Rostenkowsi and Whitewater were more “political†than others.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 5:06 pm”
Jake….. I already proved in the OTHER THREAD that “Rostenkowsi” was part of the 93, or clean sweep of all attorneys. I have not researched “Whitewater” but provide proof of what you are talking about with this case.
Stop with the NONSENSE already. People here, including myself, have provided proof that replacing attorney’s at the start of a term is NORMAL and not illegal. Provide PROOF that this breaks the law!
Once again…..
The US Code provides that each United States Attorney “shall be appointed for a term of four years…[and] shall continue to perform the duties of his office until his successor’s appointed abd qualifies.†28 USC 541(b).
March 14th, 2007 at 5:14 pmAccordingly, once confirmed by the Senate and appointed US Attorneys server for four years and then hold indefinately (at the pleasure of the President, of course). In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton DID NOT seek to remove and replace US Attorneys, find suitable replacements (i.e. receive the “advice†of the home-state Senators), complete background investigations, and secure Senate confirmations.
There have been many studies, Patrick.
If you bothered to expand your mind past Fox News you would have heard of them.
They show differences in the homosexual brain.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:15 pmThat leads these scientists to believe it is actually genetic.
The human genome has been sequenced. It’s now a matter of time before a scientist somewhere discovers which genes are in play with homosexuality.
You too, Jake.
God is displeased, and Satan is happy he’ll see you soon.
Comment by Zooey — March 14, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
If there’s *only-one-god*, Satan and Jesus aren’t real. That would make the religion *Pagan*.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:15 pmOkay you moonbats need to come to an agreement. Some say it is not chosen and others say that it is. Which is it?
Chosen immoral behavior or birth defect or mental disorder.
Pick one.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:15 pm#37 – Yet more proof that Jake is mentally disordered!
Wow, the evidence is just piling up!
Pedophilia is a mental disorder, homosexuality is not.
Read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:15 pm42# hair color is a birth defect?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#46 – Facts mean nothing to Jake.
He has a mental disorder.
He’s “chosen” to be disordered. He’s mental.
Therefore, he’s mentally disordered.
Also, he refuses to cite any source for his so-called claim about Pres. Clinton. Mostly because he’s just repeating what he’s been told to repeat.
Facts mean nothing to Jake.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:18 pmOkay you moonbats need to come to an agreement. Some say it is not chosen and others say that it is. Which is it? Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Okay you wingnuts, we all know homophobes are closet gay men, so why is it you loathe yourself so much Haggard?
Chosen immoral behavior or birth defect or mental disorder. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Homophobia like yourself, shows a mental disorder. Get it treated.
Pick one.Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
A hospital or a Doctor for you? Which one – pick one?
Homophobia = mental illness = Patrick1
March 14th, 2007 at 5:19 pm42# hair color is a birth defect?
Comment by goose1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Patrick1 is a birth defect.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:19 pmEVERY U.S. Attorney Clinton fired was based, at least in part, on political reasons — it’s a POLITICAL appointment for God’s sake — just that those investigating Rostenkowsi and Whitewater were more “political†than others.
You mean the ONE! (see link below)
Who did he fire looking into white water?
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 5:06 pmâ€
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8356415
March 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pmPatrick, do you still fcuk your father? Pick one.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pmIf there’s *only-one-god*, Satan and Jesus aren’t real. That would make the religion *Pagan*.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Now Jake & Patrick will be even more excited — secretly, of course.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:21 pmSodomy is not a characteristic, being left handed is a characteristic.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:21 pmIs homosexuality behavior, birth defect or mental disorder?
Is Brownback now going to go after Guiliani and McCain for their immoral behavior (adultry)? Or is he a hypocrite who will just find gays immoral?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:21 pmHey, everyone, have you heard the story a few months back that new research shows that white skin is actually from a mutation?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:21 pmTrue. We were all black.
That ought to get Jake and Patricks panties in a knot!
This is a perfect example of why Democracy without a Bill of Rights is Dangerous. People who are bigoted against homosexuals should learn the story of Alan Turing….genious and flaming homosexual. He’s probably the One Person most responsible for defeating Hitler by cracking the Nazi Code and laying the foundation for modern Computer Science. Of course, Hitler would have had him hauled off to a concentration camp. No wonder Nazis lost the war.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:21 pmPatrick1 is the product of genetics. He’s what happens when child birth results from incest. Bad genetics.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:24 pmMan, with a name like Brownback…….. hell, never mind……….
March 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIn response to your post Badger,
There have been many brilliant homosexuals throughout time, and their contributions are endless.
That people, even in this day, judge them on whom they choose to love is astonishingly small minded.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIf I read Sen. Brownback correctly he believes sexual orientation is a “personal moral belief”. I suppose he holds the same view regarding global warming. Earth to Sen. Brownback, there is something called science out there. You should read up on it and save yourself some personal embarrassment.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:31 pmtrueblue, et al.
I never said that “sexuality is a choice” — one’s behavior is though, unlike skin color.
For the rest of you, how about we keep the U.S. Attorneys discussion on one of the multiple threads on that topic?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:32 pmFor this particular military man a certain kiss is a special sin. A bayonet, a bullet or a bomb are blessed by some divine arbiter.
Way to get your priorities in order.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:33 pmOh Daryll? Where Art thoU??
March 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmMan, with a name like Brownback…….. hell, never mind……….
Comment by Raven
I know what you mean, Raven. Google “Santorum” and you’ll see what I think of every time I see the name Brownback. :P
March 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmJake, what the heck is the difference?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmOne behaves as one is programmed.
Homosexual behavior was once a clinically recognized mental illness as well.
Comment by Jake
Was that, like, in Greece, circa 2000 BC?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThen if it is not a mental disorder or a birth defect it is chosen behavior and therefore can be classified as immoral.
Comment by Patrick1
And Jesus Christ chose to hang out with 12 unmarried guys at a time when it just wasn’t done. Chosen behavior no doubt does that make him immoral?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:39 pmI guess by the RIGHTS logic, we all should be right handed…….
Since ones actions are a “choice” then one “choses” to be right or left handed according to thier logic.
However, sceince has proven that a person is born “genetically” pre-disposed to be either right handed or left handed.
The same thing is true for homosexuals.
This does not make it a “birth defect” or “choice”. It is the way the body and mind formed that makes them that way.
I wish the right would actually pick up a book, other than the bible, to obtain information from.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:39 pmActually, RUCerious,
I think the Greeks/Romans beliefs on such things was pretty liberal.
They were into everything.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThe Greeks accepted…dare I say applauded … homosexual relations. Just look at their statues. Homosexuality became a SIN with the Old Testament….which is the beginning and the end of all discussion with folks like Brownback.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:43 pmtrue, yeah, I was just sayin.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWhat a pack O’ dumbshits we’re debating with.
They were into everything.
Comment by trueblue
You ain’t kidding, true. Phew!
March 14th, 2007 at 5:47 pmWhatever happened to the Greeks?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:49 pm[...] Brownback ‘applauds’ Pace’s homophobic comments [...]
March 14th, 2007 at 5:49 pmYou’re right, RUCerious.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:50 pmThese trolls are pretty base.
Gee, Patrick,
March 14th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI think they still live in Greece!
#78 Are you kidding???? Does say GEOMETRY ring a bell with you???
March 14th, 2007 at 5:51 pmHomosexuality is either a mental disorder or a birth defect
Then if it is not a mental disorder or a birth defect it is chosen behavior and therefore can be classified as immoral.
Chosen immoral behavior or birth defect or mental disorder.
Pick one.
Comments by Patrick1
False choices of descriptions. Sexuality is a continuum, a complex combination of physiological and genetic factors. It’s not as simple as “Me man, you woman, and you defect”. Your false choices are based on your values, not facts. You set up the choices so you can “win” the argument and support your narrow mind-set and values.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Are you really that stupid to think that homosexuality is a mental disorder (despite the entire mental health profession coming to the exact opposite conclusion) or a “birth defect”…?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThey were superceded by the Roman empire which had no problem with homosexuality and rose to ocontrol much of the known world for hundreds of years, but was in turn was destroyed once Christianity took hold.
Your point?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:56 pmHowever, sceince has proven that a person is born “genetically†pre-disposed to be either right handed or left handed.
And, further, being left handed was once considered “immoral”, a sign of demonic possession. And to go beyond the either-or status, there are also ambidextrous individuals – handedness is a continuum as well. Good analogy, RemoveBush.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:56 pmOOps sorry… I meant my snappy rejoinder for #77. Sorry trueblue.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:57 pmPeter was married, stupid.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:58 pmPatrick1 so desires to put something up his ass. He is new at it, and wants some guidance.
Patrick1, there are new “dwarf” hamsters, they are small a cute. You could use them at first, before you move up to the full sized hamster.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:59 pmI didn’t say I think it was a mental disorder, I said it has to be a mental disorder, a birth defect or willful behavior. I’m still waiting on the moonbats to tell me which one from a far left tinfoil hat point of view they think it is.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:00 pmHomosexuality is likely there at birth. But this is not a defect. Having no legs is a defect. I bet Patrick knows some gay men, that he never would have thought were gay.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:00 pmNo problem, Badger.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI knew it wasn’t aimed at me.
Wrong.
It doesn’t have to be your ignorant definitions at all. It can (and is) a natural behavior exhibited in every mammal species (inlcuding humans) and like most aspects of sexuality, a complex interplay of social, biological and psychological factors. None of which makes them “immoral” or a “disorder”.
The entirety of the mental health profession, whose vocation it is to study human psychology disagrees with your ignorant bullshit Patrick1.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:04 pm# 87 Disorder…Defect…. kind of loaded terms don’t ya think??? It is willfull behavior just like heterosexual attraction. Why do fools fall in love ???? Notice the use of the word “Fall” , that’s what happens….not really a choice.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:05 pmOkay, ForTruth says it is a birth defect, do other moonbats agree?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWow, that random statement is relevant to anything how exactly?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:06 pmnyah nyah nyah…are you all twelve years old?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pmhttp://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20070314/45f78150_3421_133452007031480845793
March 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pmBirds of a feather… Eh, Senator Brown-nose? Closed-minded bigots like you give the expression “non-evolved a-hole” a bad name. Say hello to Karl, or whoever called you to tell you to say something about this Gen. Peter Pace matter to the media.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:09 pmNo Patrick,
I said you could start off with the dwarf hamsters up your ass.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:09 pmPeter was married, stupid.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Your witty rejoinder is a think of beauty. Please continue to regal us with your insight and cunning observations.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:09 pmThere have been many studies, Patrick.If you bothered to expand your mind past Fox News you would have heard of them.
They show differences in the homosexual brain.
That leads these scientists to believe it is actually genetic.
The human genome has been sequenced. It’s now a matter of time before a scientist somewhere discovers which genes are in play with homosexuality.
Comment by trueblue — March 14, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Obviously you do not read the posts, Patrick.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmSheesh.
There are tons of examples of animals engaging in homosexual behaviors. How does choice come into play there? Animals don’t have morality to deal with either, so all of the arguments about choice and it being immoral behavior just don’t hold water.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJake and Patrick seem to be pretty special friends!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:21 pmSomehow I knew Patrick and Jake would be here…
…they’re certainly two fake al Crackkker homophobes…
…who WON’T be surprised…
…when the Secret Service is compelled to release the White House Sign-In Logs…
…and Jeff Gannon’s trysts with Jake and Patrick’s (and Pace’s) god…
…Bushiva…
…come to light…
…because certainly Jake and Patrick understand (like their preznit)…
…what it’s like…
…to lead live sexually repressed existences…
March 14th, 2007 at 6:22 pmSo trolls. What do you think about the adultery committed by two out of your three top contenders for the Republic party’s presidential candidate? Pace thinks they are immoral. Shouldn’t that preclude them from being able to run for president?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pmYes I have heard of the controversial European studies. The hypothalimus in the male homosexual brain is smaller. The guy was born that way. So Patrick1 calls it a defect. Then lets run with that. Lets put them on disability Patrick1, its a defect, right?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:24 pmGod-damned religious nuts are ruining the world.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:26 pmKate,
These closet cases love to put all their time and energy into one of many immoral behaviors, the gay sex one.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:27 pmVOTE BROWNBACK!!! He doesn’t SCREW AROUND!!! :)
March 14th, 2007 at 6:28 pmOkay, ForTruth says it is a birth defect, do other moonbats agree?
Comment by Patrick1
Yes.
–Moonbat Zooey
March 14th, 2007 at 6:33 pmObviously you do not read the posts, Patrick.
Sheesh.
Comment by trueblue
What, Patrick Read?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:36 pmAll the thousands of gays in the military should quit and “tell” as a sign of protest. After all, Pace wouldn’t want “immorals” to fight for him. 11,000 soldiers have been booted out since 1993 under “don’t ask, don’t tell” and our military has suffered because of it. Pace also is calling one of his bosses’ daughters immoral. BTW, I’m straight and love gay men ’cause it means more chics for me:)…
March 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pmLets put them on disability Patrick1, its a defect, right?
Comment by ForTruth — March 14, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Patrick-1 thinks the brain damage he has from eating too many lead paint chips is a birth defect.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmOf course since he hasn’t ever had sex the whole birth issue baffles him.
What kills me is that homophobes insist that homosexuals ‘choose” thier sexuality. This means that the homophobe also “chose” his (or her) sexuality….therefore…at any time until thier death a homophobe can be coerced to “play for the other team”. This is the real fear they have…they have had homosexual fanatasies and are sure that it means they are weak and fear that they too might be secretly gay. They believe that somehow if you make it less difficult to live in this world as a homosexual then they too would be even more “tempted” by it. They desperately search for a way to banash all gays from the planet in the hopes that they would no longer have those “thoughts”. They think that they have “those thoughts” only because homosexuality exists. They are just self-loathing weaklings in all reality.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmBrownback is pathetic.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:47 pmPeter was married, stupid.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
And Jesus Christ chose to hang out with 12 unmarried guys at a time when it just wasn’t done. Chosen behavior no doubt does that make him immoral?
Patrickminus1 were you referring to this post? Okay so Christ hung out with 11 unusually single guys and one who was married but chose to hang out with a bunch of other guys instead of his wife. You’re so touchy.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:51 pmPersonally, I think that Patrick1 is a closet case. Anyone who is that homophobic ALWAYS is.
Speaking of closet cases, Brownback will NEVER become President. He is too far to the right on just about every issue. The Conservatives are screwed. They have fielded no viable candidates whatsoever. Not to mention that the Religious Right, as evil as they are, have finally begun to figure out that they are being used and abused. (you’d understand that, Patrick1, wouldn’t you… it is always the homophobes that are the strangest of all… whips, chains and all that.)
This is a moral question, but not for the reasons that the Religious Right supports. They love to highlight the Old Testament and ignore the vast majority of the New Testament, especially the Gospels. The Gospels are what makes a “Christian” a “Chrisitan” right?
Instead people like Patrick1, Brownback et al justify their biggotry because it bolsters their own self-image, or lack thereof. Create the fear or stigma of “the other” and then you needn’t worry about your own flaws.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:52 pmAll the thousands of gays in the military should quit and “tell†as a sign of protest
Comment by Wayne — March 14, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Wayne – have you been reading my mind?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:53 pm“I don’t want any fags around me while I’m killin’ kids” – Bill Hicks.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:54 pmDefending this fascist cabal takes a mental disorder, as has been proven on these threads today.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmGood for Senator Brownback!
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
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Yup. And Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) and Pastor Ted Haggard agree with Patrick too. As they say — dodo birds of the GOP feather flock together.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmPatrick 1,
March 14th, 2007 at 7:00 pmHomosexuality is neither a birth defect, mental illness, nor a choice. Homosexuality is an evolutionary advancement in nature to limit the population of the species of animals. The homosexual population among any mammalian, aviary, insect, fish, and invertebrates hovers around 10 percent. This is approximately the same percentage that is found within the human species. This is a natural process; therefore it is not a choice. And since homosexuals are able to function normally within society, it is neither a birth defect nor a mental illness. You shouldn’t confuse homosexuality with illnesses such as clinical depression, generalized anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.
HA ! – more like “Senator Bareback”!!! – which is how he likes to give it to guckert
March 14th, 2007 at 7:01 pm“Thou Shalt Not Use Ragu.”
March 14th, 2007 at 7:07 pmFrom the Holy Cookbook of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I don’t know what all the hub-bub is about.
When I woke up with my first genuinely nagging boner, I just
flipped a coin and went with it.
People seem to lack conviction these days…
March 14th, 2007 at 7:10 pmThen again, I do like to think I’m special.
#120 – Comment by Tribidemp
That explanation makes a lot of sense, actually.
But Patrick doesn’t care, he’s dumber than a bag of hair.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWhen I woke up with my first genuinely nagging boner, I just
flipped a coin and went with it.
People seem to lack conviction these days…
Then again, I do like to think I’m special.
Comment by alp3
Laughing my stupid ass off….
March 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pmYeah I just gave birth to a big ol’ “Brownback” and it wasn’t pretty.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:19 pmIts long past time to get rid of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. My GLBT friends should be permitted to openly serve their country in the branch of their choice. There’s no room in the military for bigots.
Fred Seamon
March 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pmLt. Col., US Army, retired
I didn’t say I think it was a mental disorder, I said it has to be a mental disorder, a birth defect or willful behavior. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Does your father still fcuk you when your mother isn’t home?
See, that’s the strawman of a 3rd grader – just like your *willful* behavior of *choosing* to act like an idiot to get a little attention. You idiots think Ann Coulter’s *strategy* for how to talk to a liberal makes you *powerful* – not realizing that you’re the butt of your own joke!
I’m still waiting on the moonbats to tell me which one from a far left tinfoil hat point of view they think it is. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
I’m still waiting on the Right Wingnuts to explain why they support their generals and Senators expressing a mental illness? Kindred spirits – PatrickZero the childish homophobe?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pmi love these cafeteria coulter conservative christians who pick out the stuff they like and ignore everything else.
maybe you believe being gay is a capital moral offense. you’re free to your beliefs.
what about:
standing in front of the congress, the nation, the UN and all our allies and lying about conditions in iraq. immoral.
raping a 14 year old iraqi girl and murdering her family. immoral
usurping the constitution and lying about it before the congress and the nation. immoral
taking prisoners, “outsourcing’ their torture to other countries. immoral.
abu graib. immoral.
just to name a few on a VERY VERY VERY long list.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:26 pmBrownback applauds Pace for “maintaining a personal commitment to moral principles”. OK Pace is free to not be Gay. Hounding gay members of the military out of the service, many of them with vital skills like speaking Arabic, is not a personal commitment. Not the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs on National TV. That’s the problem with the Bush Administration. Religion , Politics , and Ideology clouding their judgement.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:32 pmBrownback is a loser. a big fat loser.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:35 pmBack the issue at hand- there are an estimated 65,000 gay memebers of the US military at present. They all are willing to risk their lives for their country, which means, for General Pace. And General Pace just gravely insulted ALL 65,000 of them. Of course free speech is important, but General Pace is hardly an ‘average citizen’. It’s his job to prepare our forces to fight, not to inspire our forces to drop their weapons and go home. It was a completely irresponsible comment, considering how high the stakes are in a time of war. I’ll take a gay sniper with 20/20 vision to a straight sniper with 20/200 vision any day. Our recruiters are letting criminals and gang members into the military, and you’re worried about gay guys??
All this talk on this thread about why people are gay belongs somewhere else entirely. It’s completely boring. FACT: Peter Pace is a poor leader.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:39 pmA republican AND a bigot? Stop the presses! We have a new lead story!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pm[...] Here’s the headline over at left-wing smear site [Don’t] Think Progress: [...]
March 14th, 2007 at 7:52 pmListening to someone who has literally helped orchestrate the mass killing of tens of thousands of people, talk about morality makes my head spin.
“I don’t want any fags around me while I’m killin’ kids†– Bill Hicks.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pmTo lead is by example… how then can 65K troops believe that their leaders have their backs? I am a hetrosexual female that is not disturbed by love in any form (with 2 consenting adults). Let he who casts the first stone be sinless… I don’t know your ages… (patrick1 etc…) but bet if a gay person saved your life in the line of duty you’d see beyond their sexual orientation (unitl you had the opportunity to stab them in the back). My issue is… why would you seek out this forum to spew hatred (that’s all it is). Human nature tells me you have issues…
March 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pmBrownback and Pace and Patrick1 are allowed to be homophobic and feel homosexuality is immoral. Whatever…I find them silly and archaic in their judgement, but to each his own. The issue is that a standing general does not state personal opinions, especially when in uniform. By doing so he acts as if he speaks for the entire military establishment. If Brownback wants to run on an anti-gay Christianist agenda to appeal to all the Patrick1’s in the US, so be it…he’s gonna lose.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pmMaybe someone has mentioned this before. If one is familiar with the soldiers and their life style, one would notice a few interesting things that don’t seem to be part of this discussion concerning “morals”. I am aware of several soldiers which are part of various special forces and although they are not gay, i would argue that they are bi-sexual. The soldiers I have met and had the opportunity to know have all discussed what they call their “little buddies” or “sex buddy”. This is a common practice in the military and many people are very aware of this if they are in the armed forces. Now, i wonder if being gay is not moral then i would guess being bi-sexual would also be considered to not be moral. imagine if they started to inforce all those rules, the number of soldiers would drop dramatically.
so, they are not moral if they are gay but they are moral if the kill people? only in the christian mind.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pmI’d sure like to know when the two idiots here, Jake and Patrick 1 made THEIR decisions to be closeted gay men. Really, the only people who could possibly be that upset about OTHER’S sexuality MUST have issues with their own.
Clearly, the whole idea osf sexuality is what really bothers them, and that is just plain sad. It’s okay that they are scared of sex, but their insistance that EVERYONE ELSE has to be the same way is just pathetic.
Sorry, kids, I’ve known gay guys and women all my life, and they are just like everyone else except in that one way. They have never bothered me about MY sexuality, and I have always returned the same respect to them. And that is what this is ALL about, respect. If you don’t have any for anyone else, don’t be surprised when they return that favor to you. And you deserve everything you get back.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pmSEN. BROWNBACK should be back in the 18th century and also at the SALEM WITCH TRIALS,,,,OF COURSE ALL OF THIS PHONY STORY IS TO DEVERT ATTENTION FROM THE WALTER REED SCANDAL,,,”TOO MANY MEDALS” PACE IS THE PERFECT LAP DOG TO SEND OUT TO DIVERT FROM THE REAL STORY THAT IS WALTER REED,,,,PACE REALLY LOVES HIS TROOPS ,,DOES HE NOT,,,THIS ADMINISTRATION IS FILLED WITH ZERO CHARACTER ROBOTS SUCH AS PACE,,,ANY OFFICER THAT COULD SERVE UNDER RUMSFELD IS A FRAUD,,,ALSO IT APPEARED TO ME AS IF RUMMY LOOKED AT PACE AS IF HE WAS A TOP GUN SON OF A —– NEWS MEDIA LETS GET CRACKING ON ALL OF THESE THUGS YOU KNOW TO BE THUGS,,,WHEN THIS IS OVER,,,THE INTERNET WILL BE EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN IT IS NOW AND YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL BE UNDER SCUTINY THAT WILL DETERMINE IF YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXIST ECONOMICALLY,,,YOU NEED TO GET SOME COURAGE SUCH AS MOLLY IVENS HAD,,,HELEN THOMAS HAS,,,WHY IN HELL DON’T ALL OF YOU GET BEHIND HER AND DEFEND HER AND GO ON THE OFFENCE TO EXPOSE ALL THE THUGS,,,,,,,,I HATE TO THINK WHERE WE WOULD BE IF THE INTERNET WAS NOT IN USE,,,,,,FACISTISM IS WHERE WE WOULD BE AND YOU KNOW IT………………………..CHARLES BELENCHIA
March 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pmSeems to me if homosexuality is a choice then, consequently, heterosexuality is a choice. So, you heterosexuals get up every day and say–”I think I will be heterosexual today” acknowledging that you could just as easily be gay on that day.
Right?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI am curious to know, How many of you are actually in the military? It is better off having “Don’t ask, Don’t Tell” while serving. The comments from Gen. Pace were his belief and he should not be criticized for that. The civilian world try’s to rationalize with the Armed Forces and is really comparing apples and oranges. The military is a strict and structured lifestyle with a work ethic that is instilled from the first day of basic training. There is no calling in sick, no getting fired, no tolerance of drug abuse or alcohol abuse in the military, these examples are just a few that differ from the civilian and military worlds. Gen. Pace has earned the right to speak about his beliefs and has sacrificed the past 30+ years in the military. The civilian world needs to stop using “the troops” as there excuse to why we need to leave Iraq. As being a member of the military, we all signed on the dotted line and know what is at stake. We SACRIFICE every day, can you as a regular civilian say the same?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pmOKAY JASON…. DON’T ASK DON’T TELL – THEN DON’T JUDGE EITHER!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pmThus Senator Brokeback (sic) represents the homophobes for President?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pmWill Pope Betty Benedict XVI reward him with a blow-job?
JASON… I’VE KNOW MANY PEOPLE IN MILITARY – US & CANADIAN… DON’T TELL ME THEY DON’T DRINK OR DO DRUGS… US GOV’T IS THE BIGGEST DEALER ON THE PLANET!!!!!! HAVE YOU EVER SERVED?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pmOOPS – JASON, I MUST HAVE MISSED A LINE… U SERVED… DID YOU RECEIVE TOO?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pmSince he called Adultery immoral will he be throwing out all The Adulterers as well . Based on my experience in the Navy that would disqualify about half of the armed forces . Guys loved visiting the Red Light district but never wanted to hear that they were commiting Adultery .
March 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pmDon’t feed the trolls, let them go back to Freeperville and LGF where they belong…please.
Did one of them really use the word sodomite/sodomites? I guess it really takes one to know one…especially with this sick pack of rethugs…LOL
March 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pmAnd I’m sure you have plenty of evidence, right? And unlike the civilian world, drugs are zero tolerance and is a court martial plus discharge, and dui amd dwi is the same.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pmOh and jason, if what you say is true, why are the incidents of rape, drug abuse and murder higher in the military than in civilian life?
And jason, many civilians do sacrifice every day – some every day of their life, not just when they’re on the front lines. Can you say the same?
It’s more dangerous to grow up in a ghetto neighborhood, than it is to serve an average military service. Ask one of the brothers (assuming you know any) from the military, whether their service in the military was safer or more dangerous than living in East LA?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pmI DROVE WITH A DRUNKEN EX-SOLDIER… HE WAS STOPPED AND THEN TOLD COPS WHO HE WAS… OKAY SON… DON’T DO IT AGAIN… THAT’S REALITY
March 14th, 2007 at 8:50 pmSure, Pace is entitled to his ignorant, medieval opinion based on his personal presumptions of the preferences of some great big invisible man in the sky as taken from the same book in the Bible that admonishes us to stone women to death and burn bulls at the altar, two favorite pasttimes of the knuckle-dragging wife-beating beer-swilling NASCAR watching right wing zipperhead trolls that pollute the web with similar googoogajoob nonsense.
Pace was also of the opinion that very same great big invisible father figure in the sky was holding conversations with George Bush. Conflating Bush with God is the only way such a goody-two-shoes sexually repressed self-righteous mama’s boy can sleep at night after he has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis when they were no threat to us. This man has worked hard his entire lifetime to turn a blind eye to reality; we need not waste hope that he’ll snap out of his trance any time soon.
The opinion of such a small man as to what is “immoral” is nothing more than a camel flea fart in the wind to me. The problem is that he is the leader of personnel who are in fact what he proclaims is “immoral.” Even more importantly, can a man so transparently supplicant to superstition be trusted not to play “my God is better than your God” with Muslims? Is that personality type appropriate to be holding the very life and death of people of other faiths in his hands? Obviously not. He therefore should remain true to his beliefs and retire from the military to partner with his pal Gonzo to open up a BBQ pork restaurant in Sadr City.
No, dear zipperheads, this self-appointed arbiter of human morality is nothing but an altar boy in Bush’s church of death and destruction.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:05 pmAnd of course you have plenty of evidence and statistics to support the murder, rape and drug abuse, Right? Also, just like joining the military, growing up in the ghetto is a choice. Do you choose to reside and raise a family in East LA, if not, then why? Of course I have to sacrifice every day in my personal life. After that, I sacrifice 10 fold even more in my job. I like your reference to the term”brother from the ghetto”, that sounds really nice.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pmI don’t know why any self-respecting homosexual would want to serve a country that is not only headed in the wrong direction, but PROUD OF IT, as Jason so eloquently points out. A country that loses wars for the sake of guarding its comfortable prejudices is reaping what it sows. I think all the gay and lesbian service members ought to think about putting their talents to use for a country that chooses its battles wisely. There is a fine democracy to our north which not only welcomes gay and lesbian soldiers, but treats them with dignity in the civillian sector. Food for thought. Jason and his neocon buddies should be told to go pound sand (preferrably in the Iraqi desert).
March 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmYOU ARE ALL WELCOME IN CANADA… JASON YOU’RE TOO LOST FOR WORDS… SICK MIND THINKS POVERTY IS A CHOICE… BUT ISN’T THAT YOUR WAY… NOT ONLY DO YOU STAB OTHERS IN THE BACK… BUT TAKE PLEASURE IN TWISTING THE KNIFE…
March 14th, 2007 at 9:19 pmLook who is claiming things immoral. These humans are not God, they don’t speak for God. What you have is a paranoid who is WAY too concerned with other peoples sex lives to be a rational individual. This fool would bumble over himself if you asked him WHY this is immoral. If your thinking a fictional God you can’t even talk to is as crazy and as bigoted and as intolerant as you are, you got another thing coming. Fools.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pmAnd of course you have plenty of evidence and statistics to support the murder, rape and drug abuse, Right?Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
I do, unlike yourself. You live in a fantasy world – idiot.
Also, just like joining the military, growing up in the ghetto is a choice. Do you choose to reside and raise a family in East LA, if not, then why? Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
It’s not a choice for the children – you fcuking idiot. And it’s often not a choice for the adults – that may have no other viable options. Sometimes people stay and *sacrifice* because others will not or cannot leave. Imagine that?
Of course I have to sacrifice every day in my personal life. After that, I sacrifice 10 fold even more in my job. I like your reference to the termâ€brother from the ghettoâ€, that sounds really nice. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Yet you sound like a st*pid spoiled brat that’s so full of himself and his *sacrifices* that he discredits the difficult lives, and sacrifices of others. That makes you an arrogant pr*ck.
As for the term “brother from the ghetto”, I was speaking in lingo I figured a rightwing nutjob would relate to. I can see it worked, you got the message loud and clear. *sshole.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:21 pmOh, and by the way, the last time I checked, prejudice and fundamentalist religion is as much the lifestyle ‘choice’ that Jason and his buds think homosexuality is. And, fundamentalist religion is at the root of all the world’s conflicts at this point in time. You do the math.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:23 pmOh, poo! Pace looks a little pouffy himSELF.
The trouble with these sado-state soldier-cult butches is that they get off on the brutal secrecy of it all: from prep schools to the Boy Scouts to the Marines, to the prisons, anywhere men are locked up at close quarters there’s “gay” activity — except that the macho men who go there LOOKING for x-rated male-on-male bonding don’t TALK about it — and frequently engage in their manly grab-ass while knee-walking drunk, which somehow means it doesn’t really happen.
Don’t ask, don’t tell — don’t TALK about it all the time — has a certain practical charm, however: while the churches and other local institutions were bending over backwards hahaha to accomodate mouthy “gay” people, demanding the approval of people who find their sexual practices disgusting to contemplate, let alone certify as healthy “diversity”, the whole darn country was overtaken by fascism, the political equivalent of AIDS.
I for one am as sick of self-proclaimed “gay” people talking and talking and TALKING about their stupid homosexual enthusiasms, as of hearing about the supposed moral superiority of the OTHER side. But if the manly macho generals don’t want the boys diddling each other, they’d better go back to family-style deployments and/or a camp-follower auxiliary of ladies of the night.
There are MANY social problems more pressing than who does what to whom, among consenting adults. But the seamy side of homosexuality is at least as horrific as the atrocities and pathologies connected with “straight” sexuality — and most of it, in both camps, is practiced by males who’ve been brain-damaged by the great-white-father, the indestructible man-on-top, the hardly-human war-god enshrined by General Pace, by George Bush’s bad daddy, and by the rest of the WASPS.
Now be quiet. I mean it: you kids get to sleep.//
March 14th, 2007 at 9:30 pmAll those adjectives about Pace and Pres Bush should = counseling. And then you bring NASCAR into it, Funny. ALot of ANGER in the house…
March 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pmidiot, st*pid,*sshole,pr*ck, fcuking idiot, spoiled brat …Nice choice of words. I can see you practice good self-control. But thats typical of a far left democrat. Remember, you always have a choice. It’s a matter of heart and will. Maybe you failed in that aspect of life. If so, I am sorry and will pray for you.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pmi wonder just how for general pace’s convictions extend. im slightly curious how he would answer a question to the effect of…
“if dick cheney’s daughter wanted to join the military, you would be against it on the grounds that the vice president’s daughter is immoral?”
and if there’s time, he could be asked about
newt gingrich, henry hyde… (udulterers)
it may matter to their wives, but it’s not my business, nor the governments.
would the military would be forced to change its dont ask dont tell policy if a large number of soldiers currently serving went to their commanding officer and said they were gay? would they be forced out? perhaps then the morality would shift from casting judgement on private sexual matters to the immorality diminishing our country’s ability to properly defend itself.
and just one more question for general pace…
‘if wouned in combat and your only choice was to be saved by a homosexual medic, or left to die with no medic (maybe because that homosexual medic was booted out) which would you choose?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pmidiot, st*pid,*sshole,pr*ck, fcuking idiot, spoiled brat …Nice choice of words. I can see you practice good self-control. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
I sure do, I only use those words on people they describe. Or hadn’t you noticed that – dum bass?
But thats typical of a far left democrat. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
And fits of attempting to mind reading, and labeling is typical of a right wingnut idiot. Funny how that works.
Remember, you always have a choice. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Particularly ironic, when you choose to be an idiot.
It’s a matter of heart and will. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Then you must have neither the heart, nor will, to face reality. Oh wait, you also forgot one more useful trait – ability. You can have heart and will, and still be incompetent – dum bass.
Maybe you failed in that aspect of life. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Ah, more attempts at mind reading. Sorry little boy, but that sounds like projection to me! Tell me, what *choice* did you make – to *be* or *pretend-to-be* straight?
If so, I am sorry and will pray for you. Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
You are sorry – that’s true. As for your prayer, save them for yourself. You’re clearly the needy party – dum bass!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:49 pmAll those adjectives about Pace and Pres Bush should = counseling. And then you bring NASCAR into it, Funny. ALot of ANGER in the house… Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
There sure is, that’s why you’re here isn’t it? Are you angry because you repress your homosexuality, or because you think someone might find out?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:50 pmNotice Gen. Pace’s circular logic: Homosexuality is immoral because it’s something we shouldn’t condone because I believe that because I was brought up that way.
There’s a difference between morality and superstition. Certain behavior that causes or risks harm in some way is immoral. Believing that certain behavior will provoke retaliation is superstition.
Squeaky Wheels on GAYS:
March 14th, 2007 at 9:56 pmPace’s comments were grossly inappropriate. Such ignorant and inflammatory statements regarding some of the courageous troops that are serving and sacrificing under his command are reprehensible. He has lost the respect and confidence of many and he should resign.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:58 pmThe military is a strict and structured lifestyle with a work ethic that is instilled from the first day of basic training. There is no calling in sick, no getting fired, no tolerance of drug abuse or alcohol abuse in the military,
Comment by jason #141
Jason,
…NOT any more…
…obviously YOU haven’t gotten the memo on laxed standards to meet…
…recruitment targets…
…Look,
…it used to be that being a “stryke trooper” was an honorable thing…
…but Vietnam and now THIS illegal, immoral, murderous war of choice…
…perpetrated by cowards (Bush and Cheney) who refused to do what they now call upon others to do…
…for (and make NO mistake about this)…
…OIL, Israel’s security, American corporate interests, WASP/zionist hegemony (look the term up you might learn something), and PROFIT…
…Cheney/Halliburton/Carlyle Group and the NEW WORLD ORDER, (and I’m sure I’ve missed something like POLITICAL ADVANTAGE/immortality for Republicans)…
…they’re all real…
…have placed a STAIN on America’s honor, credibility, and DEMOCRACY…
…here at home AND abroad…
…get educated…
…then come back and state your opinion…
March 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pmYou are right again…You’re on a role!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:01 pmWhy must everyone feed the trolls? Yes, Brownback is essentially supporting homophobic comments. But when someone has to go troll about you don’t need to respond.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:03 pmI feel sad for you…Your life must not be that satisfying. Are you one who seeks joy in the outside world? You just sound SO angry!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWhat is interesting is the use of the word, “immoral,” by opponents to homosexual activities.
As a sociologist and a psychologist, let me cue you into “morality”:
Morality is definied by a segment of the population within a society. Whether the segment is in majority or minority does not mean it is right or correct. All morality is taken in context to the case it presents. Religious morality does not hold more significant weight than civil morality, or any other morality. All morality discussion in a society is subjective, and not objective.
So by basically stating that you find it “immoral,” that is your opinion. However, it is not a fact. You cannot use word or concept of morality to prove something as fact.
I recognize your opinion that you think that homosexuality is immoral. However, there is a lsignificant portion of society that is growing every year who doesn’t think that homosexuality is immoral. Your attempt to push your argument through on a subjective observation is not going to be relevant. Please present tangible, objective proof of the harm and/or undermining of society that homosexuality presents, other than a religious, subjective excuse.
Thank you.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm#112 – Well put.
I avoid calling people “homophobes” and all that because it just riles people up even more most of the time. I usually just ignore them. And while I know that people who are gay, but in severe denial of the fact can be some of the worst homophobes, I don’t think that all homophobes are gay. But I really liked the way you described the thought processes.
I’m gay, served in the Army Reserve for 6 years and I can’t comprehend why we treat gays in the military so badly. It’s a disservice to them and to the military as a whole. The whole thing disgusts me. While Patrick1 and others of his ilk sit on their asses in front of their computer and spew about how horrible homosexuals are, there are gay men and women serving their country in Iraq, Afghanistan and all over the world. Gay people have died in the service of our country for you and me, and have been doing it for as long as we’ve had a military (the first dishonorable discharge for being gay took place in 1778). And their treatment by the US Gov’t is shameful. Especially in light of the fact that the military is rife with, well, sluts. No other word for it. Male and female, no standards or morals to speak of. The majority of the military isn’t like that, there are some fine people with good values all throughout. But there is a disproportionate amount of “immoral” conduct going on in the military. Anybody who wants to keep morality in the military needs to start with the straight people. If they want to mandate morality, they should start *enforcing* ALL of the UCMJ.
DADT should be repealed, and will, eventually. Hopefully it’ll happen before we have to bring back the draft and/or raise the maximum enlistment age to 50 or start accepting even worse criminals than the new standards allow. Some of these morons would rather fill the ranks with inmates from the local insane asylum than allow gays.
I wish that people would ease up about what Pace said, personally. He’s demonstrated that he’s not as bright as I would have hoped the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to be. He should have realized that keeping his mouth shut on that topic would have been wise. However, he can think and say whatever he damned well pleases, as far as I’m concerned. It was kind of inappropriate and ignorant, but those are his beliefs and he should not be forced to apologize. Let’s please not forget that whole “freedom of speech” bit.
Finally, regarding the “choice” issue: Nobody really knows yet. I think it is along the lines of left- or right-handedness. Some are like this, some are like that. That’s all there is to it. I can’t understand why in the world anyone would want to brush their teeth with their left hand if the right wasn’t broken. That’s how my brain’s wired. Just as I couldn’t imagine dating men in a world with so many beautiful women. That, too, is how my brain’s wired. It’s just not my cup of tea. But I know many people, male and female, who feel the exact opposite. And I’m fine with that. And if it was a choice? So what? Why do you care? It’s a free country, or so they say, so what business is it of anybody’s anyway? Granted, if someone has an issue with it on religious grounds, ok. I can understand that. I have no problem with that either, when they acknowledge my right to my own life and behavior and beliefs, as i acknowledge theirs.
One last thought for you -
Of the thousands of servicemembers discharged for no good reason under DADT since we invaded Iraq, you know there were probably plenty that weren’t even gay. Just spineless cowards that were unwilling to keep to their word and do their duty. Gay marines and soldiers have died for their pathetic asses, too.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThe ten commandments include ‘thou shall not kill’ and ‘taking the lords name in vain’ as immoral. Gen Pace has made a career of killing humans and pretending to speek for God is the ultimate of vanity. And he thinks that I’m imoral because I love a man. WOW! Do you Bible thumping right wingnut Republicans know no shame? Is his own total cowardice showing? He knows full well how wrong he is, but to admit it is beneath his limited morals. Good Christians, pray for his soul for he is surely condemed to —-
March 14th, 2007 at 10:13 pmThats funny…I heard the same thing from John F. Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Lrry King, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher(every Friday Night) and every other Left Winger…Are you claiming that as your own?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:13 pmWhat’s the lowest point in Kansas? Brownback Mountain
March 14th, 2007 at 10:26 pmI’ll never go where I’m not wanted and the military doesn’t want me because I’m gay. They lowered the standards for recruitment and are paying thousands in bonuses to reach their recruitment goals. I will never fight for my country because my country doesn’t want me.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:29 pmMy last comment to a troll… someone who takes pleasure in inciting anger in others is truly a sick individual… which neurons are exploding in your head are uncertain to me… but you dared not touch my “RECEIVING’ comment… how’s that? Are you being paid by the GOV’T to come online? Or is this just a sick personal thrill?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:32 pmi wonder what the general thinks of the Gay Old Pervert party,perverts always attack their own the hardest,i wonder whats in the generals closet,remenber the dress wearing f.b.i (hoover)director we had for years.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:36 pmsomeone who takes pleasure in inciting anger in others is truly a sick individual… which neurons are exploding in your head are uncertain to me… but you dared not touch my “RECEIVING’ comment… how’s that
One’s own anger is there own responsibility…Have you done your research on your comments from earlier yet? You speak this jibberish and have no support.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:44 pmReceiving???I receive it all day long…Tune in to Hannity and O’Reilly and become educated…Stop drinking the Kool Aid
March 14th, 2007 at 10:48 pmThe general’s remarks weren’t “homophobic,” they reflect the common sense of thousands of years of civilization that a few years of decadence have attempted to eclipse. After all, common sense tells us that, if no one has children, the next generation will have no homosexuals — or anyone else. So “gay” culture is dedicated to wiping out gays. In one generation, at that.
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March 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pmNo comment to trolls…
March 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pmPS I lied… learn how to spell – moron
March 14th, 2007 at 10:55 pmDon’t you mean, No intelligent response from a far left hopeful!!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:55 pmYou do own a dictionary, Yeah, Good Job on the spelling!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:56 pmGotta agree with Jason that Valiant is being an a**hole. Jason asked a simple question about whether one has served in the military and agress with Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Now he’s a heartless dumbass and a repressed homosexual?! Nice way to win people to your side dude. If you have evidence that rape and drug use is higher in the miltary then quote a source.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThe policy is outdated, doesn’t work and needs to be repealed – gays in the miltary are ine the same percentage of the population as gays in civilian life. Accept it, move on. The main argument for the policy seems to be “soldiers will be uncomftable knowing some queer is looking at their junk when in the shower” – silly. It doesn’t affect the cohesiveness of a unit.
Jason, this isn’t the far left you’re dealing with. That’s the central flaw to
the trolls arguements. There is nothing “far left” about many of these
comments. You’ve been hornswoggled. You’re going to have to learn to accept this as another inconvenient truth. You’ve been taken. It’s a grift.
good luck, soldier.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:02 pmNice punctuation… idiot
March 14th, 2007 at 11:06 pmPS… if working for GOVT… guess it took you awhile to look me up… try and find my sore spot… LOL… do you wear dresses like Hoover?
March 14th, 2007 at 11:09 pmWhat size shoe do you wear? Maybe I’ll send you some….
jason is clearly an idiot. and do you really think that homosexuality has been condemned since the beginning of time? check out the ancient greeks, who all had affairs with men and were amongst some of the most brilliant thinkers of all time. and for the record, why do you care so much? it has nothing to do with you… why don’t we focus on the real issues like health care, education, poverty, and not sending our soldiers on a useless mission so they can die in vain, or come back with actual mental disorders because of the hell that they have experienced… jason and all those who agree with him–be ashamed. people like you-fascists and biggots- are the real threat.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:09 pmmay I quote Slate.com:
“The Palm study should be required reading for Pace, so he can explain why gay counterintelligence officers are too immoral to serve in the military, while it made sense to admit Pvt. Steven Green, a high school dropout with three criminal convictions and a history of substance abuse who is charged with the rape and killing of an Iraqi family in Mahmudiya, Iraq. Green was enlisted through a moral waiver.”
March 14th, 2007 at 11:21 pmI wear dresses everyday…and wear wigs…and dress in drag…Is that what you like?
March 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmNO I like the truth… THANKS
March 14th, 2007 at 11:31 pmjason and all those who agree with him–be ashamed. people like you-fascists and biggots
How would you then explain Clinton, Dean , Edwards, the other Clinton, Kerry, Pelosi, Feinstein, Dingy Harry…etc
Oh and I forgot, Robert”grand Pubha of the KKK”Byrd – Senator from WV
March 14th, 2007 at 11:32 pmI also want to apoligize to everyone else for using this forum as an ‘arguement’ zone that has little to do with the issue… I too need to learn not to fall for the hook… peace.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:33 pmOf all the immoral behaviors…
March 14th, 2007 at 11:37 pmI love playing with liberals!!!Take your ball and go home.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:39 pmThe power to decide what is good and what is evil does not belong to us, that the individual conscience is not a supreme tribunal. People say, ” I must follow my conscience,” but they do that under the illusion that a moral judgment is a true merely because it has it’s origin in the conscience. When people accept that illusion, they will find that the claims of truth disappear, and in it’s place come other things such as the idea that being at peace with oneself is enough. It isn’t.
We must not lose sight of the idea that there is a real and universal truth about the good that is knowable by human reason. If we lose this then the notion of conscience also changes. Conscience then is no longer an act of a persons intelligence in which is applied the knowledge of the good in a specific situation. The individual conscience does not have the prerogative of independently determining what is good and what is evil. If you take that path you wind up with the mantra of individualism: Each of us is face with his own truth different from others; everything is relative. In this way we wind up back with Pilate: “What is truth?” God has already told us , and will continue to tell us, what is good and what is true. All belief, all decisions to believe, take place within a context. Some ages tend to encourage faith and belief, and some do not. We have a natural desire — we were born with it– to find what is true, and real. And we have a tendency , each of us not to rest until we have found it. The truth exists and can be seen,”It shines forth in the work of the Creator and in a special way in man.” And more. There are absolutes, moral absolutes, and they are real and alive and pertinent to all ages and eras of man.
Ross
March 14th, 2007 at 11:44 pmSam Brownback supports bigotry and fosters hate just like every other republican has these last 12 years BUT the differance now is that the majority of American’s are sickened by their entrenched moral corruption and poll after poll shows eroding public support for all things republican/evangelical and or Bush. I find Brownback’s leaping onto the bigotry band wagon in hopes of adding to his 1% support among retards amusing. A half century ago Pace would have had Brownbacks support for keeping schools segregated but now homophobia is the last safe refuge for bigots in need of a few quick votes. Brownback is joke as a politician and all he is good for are a few laughs when real politicians are done working…..
March 14th, 2007 at 11:46 pmAn important and fully ignored issue here is whether or not anybody really cares about General Pace’s personal sense of morality. Pace is welcome to whatever personal belief structure he prefers. As a senior military leader, however, he should demonstrate the common sense to voice beliefs relevant to his professional role.
I, for instance, believe that the carnage in Iraq is immoral and that those who ignore the reams of data to declare it a success are troubled. I, for instance, consider the inferior, demeaning and degrading medical and mental health care given our Iraqi military veterans to be immoral and an abomination. I consider returning severely wounded veterans to the Iraqi combat zone beneath contempt.
I would recommend that General Pace first concern himself with issues which are under his jurisdiction.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:49 pmjason… do you not have any good retorts or do you usually counter an argument by rattling off a list of democrats without making any point? or maybe those words are too big and complicated for you? who knows… in any case, you are clearly not a worthy opponent since you cannot even make a coherent argument… congratulations on knowing the biggest names in politics though–what a bright guy.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI love playing with liberals!!!Take your ball and go home.
Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
If you had any balls, you never would have made such a stupid remark.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:11 amI feel sad for you…Your life must not be that satisfying. Are you one who seeks joy in the outside world? You just sound SO angry!
Comment by jason — March 14, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
Says the psycho rightwingnut that sounds like he’s 30 seconds from a coronary. You fcuking idiots on the right project your own psycho problems on everyone else – Haggard. Just because you’re so angry that you feel compelled to come vent on a liberal blog, don’t accuse others of your st*pid problems. Dum Bass.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:15 amWhatever happened to Jesus’ idea of practicing love, embracing the outcasts, not judging? Being Christian is about practicing what Jesus taught, rather than focusing on selective pieces of Old Testament moral code.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:24 amJasdon – u sure your name not JUDY?
March 15th, 2007 at 12:24 amI’m sorry, but Jason here just showed you guys the biggest clue as to his “thinking” and none of you even noticed. His comment about Hannity and O’Reilly educating him is the clearest sign that you are dealing with a complete fool who takes his “ideas” from even bigger fools.
I can guarantee you that if you are looking for anything relating to intelligent thought, sanity, or an ability to face a problem without blaming someone else for something unrelated as some kind of justification for his own lackings, you are going to be severly disappointed. He doesn’t deal with realities, only blame. He doesn’t deal with responsibilities, only hate. Something someone else did years ago will ALWAYS trump anything that is going on now in his eyes, and excuse anything that is being done by those on “his side”. You will NEVER convince him that just because someone else did something, that doesn’t excuse the damage being done now. His is an argument worthy of a 5 year old, not an adult.
He is a fool. Arguing with fools makes you a bigger fool. His “ideas” didn’t even come from his own head, but out of Faux Noise’s butt. Such flatulence is only funny the first time or two, then it just stinks like the hot air and gas that it is.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:32 amNo this is just a DOYLE playing…. no conscience… just the fun of playing with peoples minds…. all things come to an end!
March 15th, 2007 at 12:40 amSeems like the level of discourse has…dropped. Back to the topic at hand – I think what’s most shocking is that Brownback is essentially pitting one’s morals against another. In the system of Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell, one who sees living a gay lifestyle as morally acceptable is discharged from the military. This is ok. But to critcise a man who sees homosexuality as immoral is not ok. Makes sense to me.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:46 amYou know what? I am just sick and freakin’ tired of the HYPOCRISY! Either you are okay with gay people being in the military and fighting for their country, or you’re NOT. None of this “don’t ask, don’t tell” bullshit. Either welcome gays with open arms, or don’t allow them in the military. What a bunch of horseshit. “I don’t mind if you die for your country, but if you’re a faggot, I don’t want to know about it.” How long did it take our narrow minded nation to accept black soldiers? And what if we had no black soldiers now? Let’s just narrow our military down to straight, white males, and see how long we last. I have never been so sick of my country as I am at this moment.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:51 amI live in Kansas. Prediction: Brownback won’t even win in his own home red state, Kansas. He won’t even win re-election in the Senate. In Kansas he is associated with the likes of attorney Fred Phelps (who pickets funerals of dead Iraq war soldiers in the name of a “God who hates Gays” ~ he actually uses Ann Coulter’s favorite “F” word), Phill Kline (who, as Kansas’ AG before the voters gave him the boot, used all the state’s time & resources on a personal abortion rights vendetta) and other far right-wing crackpots way too far out into the lunatic fringe. Brownback is that wierdo washing the feet of his associates. Kansas voters have recently gotten a clue. They don’t want to be a laughing stock any more. They voted out Phill Kline by a big margin, they voted out the goofballs in the Board of Education who advocated the banishment of teaching anything other than literal bible verses in public school science classes, they disbarred Fred Phelps and they will give Brownback the heave-ho too. He is an embarrassment in his home state and will have the support of few. In the meantime, he should get back to his job in Congress and show up for votes and earn the taxpayer’s money he is pocketing instead of hiding out when it’s voting time so that no one on either side can criticize his voting record. Coward.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:57 amSorry John… you are right… and so are you Rhonda… accept or deny… but make up your minds! Don’t say one thing with the right brain and deny it with the left side… I’m sorry… I’m not even gay… but I’m Canadian and we honour you as people… as you should be honoured! I was with my cuz (who is gay) at a Cape Cod bar the night Princess Di died… she also honoured everybody! I just can’t stand when people join a ‘discussion’ just to wind people up… in this case I think I know the bitch! (PS right & left have nothing to do with politics – actually a mirror of truth)
March 15th, 2007 at 1:04 amOkay, homophobe trolls, I will recognize homosexuality as “immoral” and/or a “birth defect.” And that will mean the Republican Party and the White House (which allowed gay hooker Jeff Gannon/James Guckert several overnight stays) are full of immoral, defective from birth people. Satisfied?
March 15th, 2007 at 1:27 amSame sex attracted people have been here since the beginning and we are here to stay. For all the uptight, self righteous, bigoted, not living in the real world, undercover sexually repressed individuals, read it and weep, Gay, Lesbian, Transgendered, alive and thriving in the 21st century and beyond. Beware of your unborn offspring, there is one in every family
March 15th, 2007 at 2:29 amFirst, I am 63 year old openly gay man; in a 15 year loving and monogmous relationship; an award winning and published architect with a Master’s degree and a former adjunct university professor who served two years on active duty with the Naval Reserves in the late 60’s. Being gay was never a choice, I just was. None of my syblings or I ever played with dolls nor had any desire to dress in drag. Yet, I am the only one of the four boys in that loving and nurturing two parent family who is gay.
I spent all of my junior high, high school and college year summers swimming, body and board surffing, sailing and lifeguarding for the City of Los Angeles. My two summers during grad school were spent working in the west coast architectural office of the Santa Fe Railroad..
With a great uncle and two of my mother’s cousins being Presbyterian Ministers, we were baptized as babies and brought up to repect and live our lives according to the teachings of the Christed one. We went to church twice a week and to church camp every summer until we graduated from high school, I was a Cub Scout, a Boy Scout, an Explorer Scout and member of the honored Order of the Arrow. Neither my Church nor church sponsored Scout goups ever spoke of nor denigrated homosexuality or Queers. There wasn’t any talk of a homosexual agenda or lifestyle. These terms were created by the Falwell’s, Sheldon’s, Gingrich’s and other radical religious right wing bigots when they began their agnda to usurp the once respected GOP and planned their now infamous Contract “on” America.
With regards to Pace’s comment that homosexuality is ‘immoral’ and compared it to adultery,†homosexuality is not defined as being immoral in either the typical dictionaries or in the UCMJ. What is defined in the UCMJ as being an immoral act is adultry. By defintion, adultry is an act of infidelity between one or both members of a married couple with another married individual. Since 99% of homosexuals – both male and female- are prohibited by law from marrying, they cannot commit adultry. Thus Pace’s comment comparing the immorality of adultry with homosexuality is completely bogus and blatantly immoraly homophobic!
March 15th, 2007 at 2:30 amG. Andrew Barker,
March 15th, 2007 at 2:35 amYou sound like a fine and very sane person. BTW, do you know that Gingrich has an openly lesbian half-sister?
Pastor Ted is a typical Republican – Bends over backwards to condemn it, bends over forward to accept it….
March 15th, 2007 at 4:02 amBrownback looks like a closet case to me. What a lady!
March 15th, 2007 at 7:17 amPatrick1, care to explain just why homosexuality is immoral? I just don’t follow your logic.
Let me guess:
1. God says in the OT that gay = wrong
2. I don’t understand homosexuality
3. Therefore, it’s immoral
If this is wrong, please correct it and show us how you’ve come to the conclusion that homosexuality is immoral, choice or not.
And another thing, say it is a choice – who cares?! This is America jack -you don’t like freedom, you can go back to Europe.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:16 amI don’t care what “gays” or “hetero” do in the personal lives. Although I do find it very interesting that most so call religious (not) right seem to be pre-occupied with it. If you think the politician really cares then you are a fool. For example, the right had the presidency, the congress and the courts. Yet , you will notice that abortion is still legal. See, if they banned it, then you idiots would have to start thinking about other things during election years. Yet time and time again we get back to guns, gays and god. With a little insert of abortion. I DON’T CARE what you do with you life. So long as you are killing to justify your belief. I DON’T CARE what you do in you life, So long as you stay our of my house. I DON’T CARE what you do just leave people alone. You so call Christian that are filled with hate seem to miss the point. Go back and start over. God doesn’t care that you point out the sins of others. He want’s you to do less yourself. Help others regardless. Help the poor. Help the ederly. Just be a good person and not care about what you cannot change in this forsaken world that we have screwed up.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:49 amOH MY GOD…LET’S ALL TALK ABOUT GAYS IN THE MILITARY….ABORTION….PORNOGRAPHY….ANYTHING BUT THIS LYING ADMINISTRATION…
March 15th, 2007 at 9:31 amI would love to see the military shoot it’s self in the foot by banning gays from service. That way one would only have to say “I’m gay” to get discharged when they didn’t like the way they were being treated. Like being sent to fight an immoral illegal war for instance.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:44 amThe prob I have with Pace is that since he is in command of the military, does he think that there should or should NOT be defense for any type of “immoral” people? DOes he have a differentiation of which people SHOULD be “worthy” of being defended by the military. This is the heart of the matter with his verbalization of his thoughts. If there is ANY differentiation, then he needs to step down IMMEDIATELY before Martial law is put in place after the ROve Conviction and Cheney indictment “october surprise rolls tanks into NYC on the newly reinforced bridges they are now retrofitting all over NY.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:07 amIt is for the tanks you know. They fully expect Martial law if anything happens anywhere.
I guess the only question left to answer is Brownback’s homophobia masking a closet homosexual tendency? I doubt God is watching any self conscious crisis. Condemning life style choices and preceived ‘unsavory’ behavior only serves to encourage and validate. Last time I checked we were still a country called America, and about freedoms guaranteed.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:29 amLet’s see:
a) Monogamous homosexual couple, been together 20 years. Love each other more than anything.
b) Adulterous heterosexual couple, together 2 years, can’t stand to look at each other.
You people think “a” and “b” are BOTH immoral? You make me sick.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:42 amMorals are entirely subjective.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amGeneral Pace, with all due respect, you SUCK!
Patrick 1 thrives on recognition? Ignore him.
Geo W is a Sissy, a LIAR, and a FREAK!
March 15th, 2007 at 11:56 ammaybe gays can get in on “morals clauses” like convicted felons?
their’s an old yiddish saying that translates to “you should grow like an onion wiht your head in the ground” which definitley seems to apply to the right when it comes to gays in general and gays in the military. your more concerned about 2 soldiers kissing than you are about sending them to a just war in which they aren’t even given decent equipment to protect them.
Then there’s the fact that while this war may have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, even more Iraqis have died than had he lived, they’ve ended up with a theocracy which will just means a lousy situation for women.
But, as long as fags aren’t in the military what does any of that matter?
How dare Senator Brokeback!
March 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWAR MONGERING IS A MENTAL ILLNESS THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED
March 15th, 2007 at 12:51 pmTrue immorality:
1) Starting a war based on lies
2) Torture
3) Paying lip-serice to hurricane victims
4) Using 9/11 to further an extremist political agenda
5) Subverting the Constitution
6) Treating wounded soldiers like dirt
7) Firing prosecutors for purely political reasons
8) Reversing environmental protections to aid corporate cronies
9) Exposing a CIA operative for political revenge
10) Allowing income inequality to grow unchecked
I could go on and on.
March 15th, 2007 at 3:01 pmPATRICK DEAR,THIS LESBIAN THINKS YOU GOT BIG PROBLEMS….PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES DEAR!!!!!! IMMORAL…LETS SEE DID YOU HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE,OR HAVE SEX WITH YOUR SELF BEFORE OR AFTER MARRIAGE…LOL LOL,OR MAYBE YOUR MARRIED AND CHEATED,I COULD GO ON DEAR,BUT IM SURE YOUR NOT STUPID……YOU GET THE PICTURE,ALL THESE THINGS ARE CALLED IMMORAL BY THE RELIGIONS….IF YOU FOLLOW THOSE RELIGIONS …YOU BETTER FOLLOW EVERYTHING.DO NOT USE GODS NAME IN VAIN TO DESTROY A HUMAN SOUL….YES DEAR WE HAVE SOULS.BY THE WAY IF YOUR GOING TO HEAVEN AND IM GOING TO HELL,TO SIT NEXT TO THE DEVIL LOL LOL, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO COVERT US DO YOU WANT ME SITTING NEXT TO YOU IN HEAVEN, YOU LIKE ME THAT MUCH!!! NO…. YOU DO NOT, THATS HOW I KNOW THIS ISSUE IS YOURS. AND STOP USING THIS MORAL CRAP ,WHEN YOU REALLY DO NOT CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO ME. YOU SPEW HATE, BECAUSE YOU ARE HATE LITTLE MAN…..AND YOU ENJOY HATING……AND MAYBE A CLOSET CASE……FEAR RULES YOUR WORLD DEAR .SO PATRICK, THERE ARE DOCTORS WAITING FOR YOU…DONT WORRY EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT. DO NOT BE SCARDIES LITTLE MAN …..THERE IS HELP FOR YOU AND YOUR FEAR!
March 15th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI think Brownback should consider a name change,the current one is too suggestive. “Turdburgler”would be more subtle
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