FACT CHECK: U.S. Troops Don’t Have A ‘Strong Aversion’ To Homosexual Conduct
FACT CHECK: U.S. Troops Don’t Have A ‘Strong Aversion’ To Homosexual Conduct
In an interview earlier this week, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Peter Pace called homosexuality “immoral” and said he supports the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy because the military “should not condone immoral acts.” Days later, Pace said, “I should have focused more on my support of the policy and less on my personal moral views.”
Today, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) condoned Pace’s comments in an op-ed for the USA Today:
Against the backdrop, liberals in the USA are making another attempt to force open homosexuals into America’s military population. In a media question-and-answer session, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated his personal view that homosexuality was immoral.
Gen. Pace’s principles reflect the strong aversion of our Marines and soldiers to homosexual conduct. These moral principles also reflect the position of the predominantly conservative families who send their young men and women to serve in the U.S. military.
But the views among servicemembers differ from Hunter’s — and Pace’s — personal feelings. Last December, a Zogby Interactive poll of servicemembers who had served in Iraq or Afghanistan found 73 percent of those polled were “comfortable with lesbians and gays.” A 2004 poll found that a majority of junior enlisted servicemembers believed gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the military, up from 16 percent in 1992.
UPDATE: In an op-ed for the Washington Post entitled, “Bigotry That Hurts Our Military,” former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY) calls for the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” He voted for the policy in 1993. “This policy has become a serious detriment to the readiness of America’s forces,” Simpson writes, “as they attempt to accomplish what is arguably the most challenging mission in our long and cherished history.”
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This is a reach even for the hapless Think Progress. Zogby interactive poll..of U.S. Servicemen. Why not create and sodomite unit and see how many volunteer.
March 14th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI can’t believe these guys talk about gays so much.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:02 pmhunter believes that if he bashes gay enough those ‘feelings’ will go away.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWell, DUH!
Only a regressive has problems with gay people. Everyone else has moved on with their lives.
Well, except for Patrick1. For some reason, he’s obsessed with gay people. I wonder why. . . . .
Hey, Patrick1, care to tell us why you are so obsessed with gays serving in the military?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSo if we find someone who could capture Osama bin Laden we shouldn’t use them because they are openly gay?
I know, that’s what Bush is going to start spinning.
We can’t catch OBL because of all those liberal traitors are gay. Now if we can just send them to our bible camps and re-educate them then we’ll get Osama.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:06 pmA 2004 poll found that a majority of junior enlisted servicemembers believed gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly in the military, up from 16 percent in 1992.
This is all because women were allowed to serve in the military. Ever since then the military has become more accepting of this feminine way of thinking. It has ruined the mentaility of the hard fighting men that should be the only ones in the armed services. If this continues pretty soon there will be curtains and fluffy pillows in the armoured vehicles.
Ouch. Thinking like a troll hurts.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThese moral principles also reflect the position of the predominantly conservative families who send their young men and women to serve in the U.S. military.
So spake Duncan Doughboy Hunter.
Hunter, you ignorant slut. They had to fire Lam because she was after your sorry ass. We’ll get you, eventually.
As to your opining above, let’s get something straight. Conservatives are chickenshits. They don’t serve. It’s the poor, lower & middle class who are predominantly Democratic aligned that are serving your dirty little war.
Christ, how many did Dick ‘Deferrment’ Cheney get? 127?
I know, I know, ‘Lil Bush was fighting the ‘Cong in Alabama, but it was at a bar, for god’s sake!
Take your false morality & shove it. You are truly the worst of the worst. Killing our young so you old farts can make a buck will not only be your epitaph, it’s your legacy.
Now I want to tell you how I really feel…
March 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmRape of fellow, female soldiers is moral.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmKilling of 600,000 innocent foreign civilians is moral.
Not properly training the troops is moral.
Not properly feeding and giving tainted water to troops is moral.
Undercutting the VA is moral.
Lying to the people is moral.
Decimating the economy is moral.
Cutting domestic education is moral.
Cutting widow’s pensions is moral.
Not giving adequate health care is moral.
Giving your buddy a blow job is a sin?
The real sin is ones who are the biggest sinners are trying to pass judgement on the rest of us.
All we have to do is wait another 20-30 years for the hapless homo-obsessed regressives to either die off or ETS (End Term of Service).
Has anyone here (other than me) served in the military and have an opinion on how current/former service members feel about gays serving openly?
Britain has no problems with gays serving.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmGermany has no problems with gays serving.
Israel has no problems with gays serving.
Slovakia has no problems with gays serving.
Luxemburg has no problems with gays serving.
Italy has no problems with gays serving.
(Do I really need to list all the countries with openly gay service members?)
#5 – Careful! If they get into a camp with Rev. Haggerd, they may not change much!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:09 pmAgainst the backdrop, liberals in the USA are making another attempt to force open homosexuals into America’s military population.
Nice try, Duncan. No one is forcing people to join the military. Last time I checked, we had an all-voluntary military.
What a dick you are. Oh, and I heard your little speech to the press on Countdown. You said that by opposing gays in the military, you were wanting to protect the other members.
Protect them from what? Cooties?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:10 pm#4- Because when he’s with his “friend”, his name is Patsy.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:11 pmWatchdog Group Files FEC Complaint Against Duncan Hunter’s PAC
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, filed a FEC complaint against long-shot Republican presidential candidate Duncan Hunter’s leadership PAC. According to CREW, Hunter’s PAC, Peace Through Strength Political Action Committee (PTS PAC), has illegally supported the presidential candidate……under $5,000 can be spent on ad campaigns. It appears Hunter didn’t follow the rules. PTS PAC spent $17,575
March 14th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThis is a reach even for the hapless Think Progress. Zogby interactive poll..of U.S. Servicemen. Why not create and sodomite unit and see how many volunteer.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Your unyielding compassion for the troops has me in awe, Patrick1. You are a true Patriot. I’m sure the veterens who post on this site will appreciate your unwavering support.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:12 pmSo, the military should not punish “regular” adultery between heterosexuals either?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhy not create and sodomite unit and see how many volunteer.
Comment by Patrick1
Didn’t they have the same arguement about blacks during the civil war? Conservatives always have to have a group to spew their hate at I guess.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pmA few things TP didn’t mention.
q. 13 Do you agree or disagree with allowing gays or lesbians to serve openly in the military? Agree 26%, Disagree 37%.
20. How does the presence of gays or lesbians in your unit impact your personal morale? No impact 66%
21. How does the presence of gays or lesbians in your unit impact your unit’s overall morale? No impact 68%
The question where the 73% came from was; is the servicemember personally comfortable with gays or lesbians.
So it seems the military is pretty evenly split on whether or not gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly… not 73% like TP is trying to imply.
One other thing they mentioned is that the members rated their training as above average 83%, and their equipment as above average 62%.
This seems in contradiction to the normal statements I see here saying that our troops aren’t properly trained or equipped.
Nice cherry-picking, TP.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pmcompassion for the troops???
THEY ARE THE KILLERS OF INNOCENTS!!! WHAT COMPASSION ?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:16 pmPatrick,
Just try to stop thinking so much about gay sex.
Ok, start now…..um, try again…..Patrick! You’re supposed to STOP thinking about gay sex.
Keep trying….
March 14th, 2007 at 4:16 pmHey Duncan! When Clinton won the White House in 1992, Hillary was invited over by Barbara before he was inaugurated. As they walked in, they held hands, all for the world to see.
So what do you think, Duncan? Would you say that Barb and Hil are lesbians?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:17 pmWhere’s Daryll in 4, 3, Leviticus 2.1,
March 14th, 2007 at 4:17 pmDuncan is working his ticket to get money for his presidential campaign (legal defense fund), that is all. he knows he is going down in the Abramoff scandal and is collecting money to use for his lawyers because that is legal for a congress jerk to do.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:18 pmso what better way to get contributors from the KKK and such than to go after the gay and lesbians?
seen it all before with a guy named delay, remember? how many more on that list? maybe the new congress will make it illegal to do this. but don’t hold your breath.
#6 ….
“If this continues pretty soon there will be curtains and fluffy pillows in the armored vehicles… ”
’cause they will all have been painted a peaceable pink and converted to emergency shelters for refugees displaced by rising sea levels, and we’ll go to war no more…
Hey, a person can still dream of peace!
Happy Birthday, Albert Einstein
March 14th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI would say, that one gay person who saved another person’s ass (no pun intended) during combat, was the one I would have wanted there. Just sayin’
March 14th, 2007 at 4:20 pm#17 – Hey Dale, how do you rate YOUR OWN PERSONAL experience in the military?
Do YOU feel that you got sufficient training?
Do YOU feel that you got sufficient equipment?
Would YOU feel comfortable had you served with openly gay persons?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:21 pmWe already know that Patrick1 is Vince P or michael. You know the admitted log cabin republicans. I think Patrick1 is the power bottom.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThis is a reach even for the hapless Think Progress. Zogby interactive poll..of U.S. Servicemen. Why not create and sodomite unit and see how many volunteer. Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Still lobbying for a place to call *home*? Is your last name *Haggard* by any chance? :)
March 14th, 2007 at 4:23 pmDunkin’ Hunter— sounds like a gay prison nickname
March 14th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWhile I agree with TP that the military should allow homosexuals, I do find it funny how they brushed over the other important piece of this story:
“These moral principles also reflect the position of the predominantly conservative families who send their young men and women to serve in the U.S. military.”
We need to talk more about this problem. It is simply unfair that the left dodges and refuses to serve our country. Furthermore, it is complete BS when the left cries about who is in the military. If they don’t like the fact that conservatives are the main group who thinks military service is important, they/you should all sign up. They are comfortable ripping and shredding the military, just not joining it. And before you say anything, yes I was in the Military and yes, I am a vet from Desert Storm so save the BS “why don’t you enlist” for someone else.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:24 pmRepublicans are OBSESSED with gay sex. OBSESSED I say.
-GSD
March 14th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSo it seems the military is pretty evenly split on whether or not gays and lesbians should be allowed to serve openly… not 73% like TP is trying to imply. Nice cherry-picking, TP. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
You think 2 to 1 in favor of Gays serving is *evenly-split*? That isn’t cherry-picking – that’s st*pidity on your part!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:25 pmDunkin Hunter and the Power Bottomss.
-GSD
March 14th, 2007 at 4:25 pmBelieve me, after riding in an APC for twenty feet, you would want some fluffy pillows. They are just as hard on the inside as they are on the outside.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:26 pm“When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one.” -Inscription on Sgt. Leonard Matlovich’s tombstone
March 14th, 2007 at 4:28 pm#25
Yes, I feel I got sufficient training.
The equipment, I’d rate about 75%… much of it was good, (some of it was excellent), but there was room for improvement.
Yeah, I’d feel comfortable… in high school I was on the swim team with a guy who was gay, it never bothered me. I never worried about being in the shower at the same time as him… it just never occurred to me.
I wasn’t trying to argue against gays in the military, I just think that TP was being circumspect in the data they were presenting. It seems to me that the military is pretty evenly split over the issue.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWe already know that Patrick1 is Vince P or michael. You know the admitted log cabin republicans. I think Patrick1 is the power bottom.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
No way, Spudge. Gotta disagree with you here.
As stupid as Patrick1 is, michael is more stupid by far; and Patrick1 isn’t quite as obsessed as Vince P that the Islamists are trying to kill him.
Amazingly enough, they are three different morons.*
*Apologies to morons.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThat is a fu*king out right lie. The proof is in the fact that none of you chicken sh!ts will join up. Chicken sh!t.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:29 pm#31, questions 20 and 21 were the ‘2 in 1′, and they were asking if gays affected the individuals personal comfort level and unit comfort level. Question 13 directly asked whether or not gays should serve in the military… 26% to 37%… please read the post before starting your personal attacks.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pmDale, the poll was taken in 2004. Do you believe the equipment situation has gotten better or worse in the last 3 years. Keep in mind it was openly touted that soldiers will get on the job training in Iraq just recently.
DS, I was in the service and it made no difference to me a persons sexual orientation. Can the soldier perform the job they are assigned to do is what is important.
I’m fairly certain that a majority of the chickenhawks here would be the receiver of friendly fire if they were to set foot in combat.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI’m guessing that with the amount of trollshit out here today the WH is scared.
Very Scared.
Trolls are trailer house halfwits who need the money, so they lie.
Bush & Co are smart enough to know that Gonzo really blew it. He blew the whole firing process. He blew it by calling it an overblown personnel matter, & he really blew it in his ‘non-press conference’.
He was shaking.
He was looking for something to hold onto, but no props were near.
Do you think he’ll blow Bush?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAmazingly enough, they are three different morons.*
*Apologies to morons. Comment by Zooey — March 14, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
The GOP seems to have an almost endless capacity to produce new morons ;)
Must be all of the parenting classes they *don’t* attend ;)
March 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pmDuncan Hunter, ANOTHER TROGLODYTE repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm WHO DOESN’T KNOW HIS ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND, OR HIS MOUTH FROM AN OPEN SEWER–INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#34 – Thanks for reminding me about Sgt. Matlovich. I was in my teens during his fight, but remember it well.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pmNice cherry-picking, TP.
Again so soon?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#31, questions 20 and 21 were the ‘2 in 1′, and they were asking if gays affected the individuals personal comfort level and unit comfort level. Question 13 directly asked whether or not gays should serve in the military… 26% to 37%… please read the post before starting your personal attacks. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Hence, why you’re st*pid*. 37% are against it, meaning that 63 percent are for it, or don’t have an opinion.
Dum, dum, dum dum – Dale’s proves why the GOP isn’t the best source of *math-whizzes*. When you’re done peeing into your Diaper, take a math and/or reasoning class there Socrates.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:35 pm#29 – “It is simply unfair that the left dodges and refuses to serve our country.”
What you talking about, Roger_Roger?!?!?!? ;-)
OK, I’m not an average Democrat, what with me being a fiscally conservative, socially progressive, proud gay man with a Top Secret security clearance and all. Still, you have to wonder why the military is less likely to be “Republican” than it used to be.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks5jan05,0,3406790.column?coll=la-opinion-center
March 14th, 2007 at 4:37 pmFlaco is immoral.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#39, no idea, one side says equipment/training is good, another side says it isn’t… even the soldiers say that.
If I had to guess, I’d say that both are not as good as they used to be; part of this could be explained by the fact that we’ve been fighting now since 2001; I *don’t* think that anybody in the gov’t is purposefully keeping equipment *or* training low. Course, I wouldn’t put anything past a politician of any stripe.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pmPeople, this is why we have to fight so hard to dispel the stigma of homosexuality in our culture.
If homosexuality is no longer stigmatized, more homosexuals can come out and live happy, peaceful lives, rather than closeting themselves, growing bitter and spiteful, and eventually becoming neocons. ^_^
March 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYes, I feel I got sufficient training. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Except Scholastically.
The equipment, I’d rate about 75%… much of it was good, (some of it was excellent), but there was room for improvement. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
The emphasis on *was*. This man’s army is stretched thinner than Joan River’s skin.
Yeah, I’d feel comfortable… in high school I was on the swim team with a guy who was gay, it never bothered me. I never worried about being in the shower at the same time as him… it just never occurred to me. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Ah, a sliver rational behavior. Don’t worry, I doubt he would would have been interested in anyone as st*pid as you anyway.
I wasn’t trying to argue against gays in the military, I just think that TP was being circumspect in the data they were presenting. It seems to me that the military is pretty evenly split over the issue. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
That’s because you aren’t literate.
Split would be 50/50 – that’s not what we see. Since only 37% are directly opposed – the rest are either for or don’t care. Dum bass.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI’m sure the veterens who post on this site will appreciate your unwavering support.
Comment by verse18
Yeah, I appreciate it so much, I want to support him with the sharp end of a bayonette.
And before you say anything, yes I was in the Military and yes, I am a vet from Desert Storm so save the BS “why don’t you enlist†for someone else.
by Roger_Roger
As with the last time you stated this, I ask again, what was your MOS?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:41 pmWhere were you stationed?
“Has anyone here (other than me) served in the military and have an opinion on how current/former service members feel about gays serving openly?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — March 14, 2007 @ 4:08 pm”
I have served….. US Army 1988-1991.
I could care less who they are as long as they can do what they need to. I want someone beside me that I know I can trust to be able to drag me out of there if I get injured. I want someone beside me that can cary the equipment with me. I want someone who can shoot.
I don’t care what sex, religion, or anything else. On a battlefield the only thing that matters is staying alive, and you want someone there that can help you meet that goal.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:41 pm#45, you’re making yourself look pretty silly. At least read the link that TP provided. The explanation for #13:
Slightly more than one-in-three respondents (37%) disagree that gays should be
allowed to serve openly in the military, while almost three-in-ten (28%) believe they
should. Of those remaining, an almost equivalent amount holds a neutral opinion (32%),
while just 5 percent are unsure.
‘Nuff said.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:42 pmStill, you have to wonder why the military is less likely to be “Republican†than it used to be. Comment by Democrat Soldier — March 14, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
The military heavily recruits in the impoverished *red-state* regions, fueled by gung-ho Nationalist Rhetoric. They prey on desperate young men, many of whom enter the military as republicans, while many of them exit as democrats!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#50, so does anybody who doesn’t need to resort to ad hominem attacks feel like discussing this?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pmLet us not forget that the first person injured in Iraq was GAY.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pm#52 – I was 74D (Computer/machine operator) and I served at the Command & Control Support Agency at the Pentagon (lived at Ft. Myer) from 86-90.
Glad you served. Hope it was a positive experience for you.
Had they enacted Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell while I was in, I would have accepted the appointment to West Point and probably been in Iraq right now! Go figure.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:47 pmWell I have a strong aversion to ugly people, but unfortunately I am FORCED daily to deal with them. I also have a strong aversion to Pop Music, but again everywhere I go there it is. I have many things that could be listed that prevent my cohesiveness in American culture, preventing me from being an optimal citizen.
Fortunately I really don’t base my social life on the standard of someones good looks. I understand that people like crappy music, as most would view my taste in music crappy.
It is time to move on from DADT. People who wish to serve in the armed forces should be able to do so without fear of repercussions just for being gay. That this still remains an issue in America is truly sad for the self proclaimed “freest” nation in the world.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#45, you’re making yourself look pretty silly. At least read the link that TP provided. The explanation for #13:
Slightly more than one-in-three respondents (37%) disagree that gays should be
allowed to serve openly in the military, while almost three-in-ten (28%) believe they
should. Of those remaining, an almost equivalent amount holds a neutral opinion (32%),
while just 5 percent are unsure.
‘Nuff said. Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
I agree – ‘Nuff said! Thanks for disproving your own st*pid claim! This post on your part shows that only 37% are against it, meaning the rest either don’t care, or are for it!
You’re really a st*pid man, aren’t you Dale?
March 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pmRoger & Out,
You must feel emboldened by the # of your buddies on line today.
That’s some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read by you. (More conservatives serve in the military than liberals.)
Shheeesh!
I could accept ‘more conservatives serve as officers than liberals’ perhaps, but really…I’m disappointed in you.
Don’t drink the kool-aide, Roger, it addles your brain.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pm#50, so does anybody who doesn’t need to resort to ad hominem attacks feel like discussing this? Comment by Dale — March 14, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Calling you st*pid isn’t Ad Hominem, it’s *descriptive* when you can’t read a *simple* statistic!
In your individual case Kerry was obviously right! Dum Bass!
March 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pm#56 – Actually, you should say “Let us not forget that the first person injured in Iraq is GAY.”
He’s still around to tell us his story, and he’s not changed his sexuality.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#43 – you’re very welcome. :-)
March 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pm“Has anyone here (other than me) served in the military and have an opinion on how current/former service members feel about gays serving openly?
Comment by Democrat Soldier
I knew a couple of guys that were gay in my unit. I didn’t care, that was their business. They were excellent soldiers and people I trusted my life with.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWhat I cared about was if they were going to watch my back, while i watched theirs. When the bullets are flying all that matters is doing what needs to be done to take out the enemy and keep your buddy next to you alive. It does not matter if they are gay, straight, Bi, black, yellow read, female or male.
#46 You don’t believe that our military is mostly conservative? One simply needs to check the voting record or look at all the fights the Dems put up to not allow military absintee ballots to figure out which way our military leans. When you say the military is “less conservative” that is obvious as they couldn’t possibly get more conservative. Kinda like Fox News TV ratings. When you dominate the market that much, you really got no where to go but down.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:50 pm#60 So because the Military votes mostly Conservative each and every election doesn’t dictate that they are Conservative? Please explain that one.
March 14th, 2007 at 4:53 pmAnd before you say anything, yes I was in the Military and yes, I am a vet from Desert Storm so save the BS “why don’t you enlist†for someone else.
by Roger_Roger
As with the last time you stated this, I ask again, what was your MOS?
Where were you stationed? Comment by wayne
**crickets**chirping**
March 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#65 – So, what was your MOS and where were you stationed?
I was 74D (Computer/Machine Operator) stationed at the Pentagon with Command & Control Support Agency from 86-90.
By the way, I do believe that the majority of the military is conservative. All you have to do to realize that is ask them if anything should ever be done the first time, and they all say “NO!” (Old joke, look it up.)
Yes, the latest Military Times poll found that 78% considered themselves “conservative”. It’s still lower than it was from the 80’s and the 90’s.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pmDemocrat Soldier, we may have crossed paths. I was a 71L assigned to the JCSofA at the Pentagon and stationed at Ft. Myer. Worked for Gen. Vuono and Gen. Marshall before he went to Panama. There were several gay soldiers walking the halls of the Pentagon back then but there was no problems with anyone. Get the job done was all that mattered.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:14 pmYes, the latest Military Times poll found that 78% considered themselves “conservativeâ€. It’s still lower than it was from the 80’s and the 90’s.
Comment by Democrat Soldier
I actually considered myself conservative ( not by todays neocon standards )
Socially I side more with the progressives for schools, healthcare, etc.
Gun control imho is learning to aim well =)
When I was just out of boot, I was “told” that I was to register as a republican on my voters registration and vote republican. I registered independant and voted for who the f*ck I wanted to. hahaha
March 14th, 2007 at 5:17 pm29. While I agree with TP that the military should allow homosexuals
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 14, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Zooey – where are you?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pmIsn’t it adorable when R2D2 tries to act like the most NORMAL troll?
39. DS, I was in the service and it made no difference to me a persons sexual orientation. Can the soldier perform the job they are assigned to do is what is important
March 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pmComment by hellinabucket — March 14, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Obviously the trolls here don’t know what is important.
My question for them is who do they think would make a better soldier, a homosexual woman or a heterosexual woman. I suspect it doesn’t really make a difference there either.
Zooey – where are you?
Isn’t it adorable when R2D2 tries to act like the most NORMAL troll?
Comment by Shane
Yep, I think Dung_Dung is learning from TP. He’s learning to mimic almost believable repsonses.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:30 pm11B (Infantryman) out of Fort Lewis
March 14th, 2007 at 5:48 pmGreat question Shane, how about it Rovians? Why not let the female homosexuals in the service?
March 14th, 2007 at 5:54 pmPatdick…why don’t you just come out of the closet…and stop hating your gayness….I am a Vietnam disabled vet who served there 1968-69 with the Marines. Even in those unenlightened days, before gaylib, I had no problem being “accepted” as a gay person in my unit. Forty years later, the troops, like most people under 30, have no problems with people’s gender/sexual orientation. Its retrograde dolts like you, perhaps after being brainwashed with all the biblebullshit, that has a problem with it. I say, GET OVER IT. Another person’s sexual orientation is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, nor of the so-called-christian bastards. With so many pressing issues affecting humanity, why are these christian fanatics so hatefilled?
When I take over the government I will abolish fundamentalist christians. Send them to concentration camps and nuke them. I hope you will be there.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThat last paragraph in my previous posting…..I didn’t mean it, but “Mistakes were made.”
March 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmDuncan Hunter, Pace, and their mass murdering, TREASONOUS, inbred, fascist, closeted sect…
…the Bushites…
…are the most vile, IMMORAL, hypocrites mankind has ever had to suffer under…
…but their suffering is JUST beginning…
…their houses are cursed…
March 14th, 2007 at 7:14 pm11B (Infantryman) out of Fort Lewis
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 14, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Did you receive a shrapnel wound to the head? It would explain your severe brain damage.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:23 pm#60 So because the Military votes mostly Conservative each and every election doesn’t dictate that they are Conservative? Please explain that one. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 14, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
All they get to listen to is Limbaugh and Right Wingnut propaganda for the most part that lies and tells them liberals are anti-military. Plus, people often vote against their own values – just look at you CONs that keep voting in the bloat and debt presidents like Bush I/II and Raygun! They’re completely *unconservative* in their spending – yet you vote for them.
I know someone as st*pid and witless as yourself needs life and choices to be simple so you won’t feel like a fool. But reality is Roger, you are a fool.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:25 pm#17 – Of course TP cherry picks!! They have an agenda and they tailor the information they provide to FIT the agenda….It’s called pre-ordained results……The Progressive agenda is not about getting out the truth…it’s about getting out the Progressive agenda.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:22 pm#17 – Of course TP cherry picks!! Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
As opposed to you, that calls the t*rds you post *cherries*!
They have an agenda and they tailor the information they provide to FIT the agenda…. It’s called pre-ordained results…… Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Actually it’s called *propaganda*, and it’s what you Ann C*nter, Fox News and the rest of you pre-ordained religious whack jobs do.
Yet, just like Haggard, all you can do is criticize others to avoid facing your own *sin*.
The Progressive agenda is not about getting out the truth…it’s about getting out the Progressive agenda. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Replace Progressive with *Conservative*, and that would have been the *truth*. As it is, it’s an example of the very pre-ordained propaganda you accuse others of.
You’re a st*p*d c*nt.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pmAnd by the way vapid c*nt – the cherry picking *claim* was quickly dismissed as a mischaracterization.
But wait, you’re such a st*p*d c*nt – you wouldn’t have noticed that *truth*!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:29 pmKilling of unarmed civilians from missles and rogue missions and unjust wars, is immoral also.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:36 pmmissiles
March 14th, 2007 at 8:36 pmVVGFU….. YOU ARE RIGHT ON!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pmI find these so-called surveys provided by Think Progress questionable and should be discarded. If there were a national vote to ban openly gays, gay marriage and so forth chances are this would pass. Of course the liberals use the courts to overturn this just like they did to get gay marriage since traditional society sees this as a taboo. There are millions and millions of Americans who have the view of Pace and he should not have to apologize for being a traditional American. This shows the liberal mob mentality and trying to create guilt among those who are raised with decent traditional values.
30 years ago this would not even be an issue it shows how our society is progressing downwards.
I hope the don’t ask don’t tell stays in place. If we get into a war like Vietnam with a draft, being or pretending to be openly gay will not be an option to get out of serving.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pmCrystal Glass, you’re a homophobic c*nt – go see a therapy to get that disease of yours treated!
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