Leahy Says He’ll Subpoena Rove, Discusses Potential Crimes Involved In Attorney Purge
Leahy Says He’ll Subpoena Rove, Discusses Potential Crimes Involved In Attorney Purge
Today on CNN’s Situation Room, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) blew off White House signals that Karl Rove and other senior Bush officials may resist testifying before Congress on the U.S. Attorney purge.
“Frankly, I don’t care whether [White House Counsel Fred Fielding] says he’s going to allow people or not. We’ll subpoena the people we want,” Leahy said. “If they want to defy the subpoena, then you get into a stonewall situation I suspect they don’t want to have.” Asked whether he’ll subpoena Rove, Leahy answered, “Yes. He can appear voluntarily if he wants. If he doesn’t, I will subpoena him.”
Leahy also addressed the right-wing talking point that the U.S. Attorney firings are meaningless because there “was no crime.” Leahy said that while President Bush has the authority to fire attorneys at will, “if it is done to stop an ongoing investigation, then you do get into the criminal area.” Regardless, he said, the administration’s politicization of attorneys “hurts law enforcement. That hurts fighting against crime.” Asked if he thinks any Bush officials may have committed perjury, Leahy said, “We’ll find that out.”
Watch it:
Transcript:
BLITZER: Do you think someone committed perjury?
LEAHY: We’ll find that out. That’s a — not always the easiest thing to prove. But we can certainly prove that we have not gotten complete answers. There’s a lot more. I think the American public deserves to have answers on this, instead of every day a little bit more dribbling out. Let’s get all the facts, but let’s have it under oath. It’s interesting, sometimes, when people are sworn in. It focuses their attention a little bit more.
BLITZER: The White House counsel, Fred Fielding, was up on the Hill today. I don’t know if you had a chance to meet with him. But he’s not necessarily ruling out allowing some White House staffers, maybe even Karl Rove to come and testify. Do you want Karl Rove to testify before your panel?
LEAHY: I’ve never met Mr. Fielding. Frankly, I don’t care whether he says he’s going to allow people or not. We’ll subpoena the people we want. If they want to defy the subpoena, then you get into a stonewall situation I suspect they don’t want to have.
BLITZER: Will you subpoena Karl Rove?
LEAHY: Yes. He can appear voluntarily if he wants. If he doesn’t, I will subpoena him. The attorney general said, Well, there are some staff people or lower level people — I’m not sure whether I want to allow them to testify or not. I said, Frankly, Mr. Attorney General, it’s not your decision. It’s mine and the committee’s. We will have subpoenas. I would hope that they wouldn’t try to stonewall subpoenas.
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BLITZER: But is there anything illegal in putting one of Karl Rove’s associates in and making him the U.S. attorney in Arkansas?
LEAHY: There’s nothing illegal in a president firing — by itself, in firing a U.S. attorney. What it does say, however, to law enforcement, You either play by our political rules — by our political rules — not by law enforcement rules, but by our political rules, or you’re out of a job. What I am saying is that that hurts law enforcement. That hurts fighting against crime. And if it is done to be stop an ongoing investigation — this is something we don’t know — if it is done to stop an ongoing investigation, then you do get into the criminal area.
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Another clown heard from.
Here Patrick, since you can't read.
3-2.120 Appointment United States Attorneys are appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate for a four-year term. See 28 U.S.C. Sec. 541. Upon expiration of this term, the United States Attorney continues to perform the duties of the office until a successor is confirmed. United States Attorneys are subject to removal at the will of the President. See Parsons v. United States, 167 U.S. 314 (1897).
March 14th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI hope I beat Patrick this time!
March 14th, 2007 at 5:57 pmBa-da-bing!
That is what the issue is. Carol Lam was fired because she was kicking over a nest of corruption that led to the higher levels of the administration and members of Congress.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:59 pmTruth is simply too fast for the left.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:00 pmDamn! They must have like a mid-month quota or somethin the way these fools are out today!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:00 pmFiring someone to obstruct a Justice department investigation of corruption is illegal dumb-ass.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pmLeahy also addressed the right-wing talking point that the U.S. Attorney firings are meaningless because there “was no crime.†Leahy said that while President Bush has the authority to fire attorneys at will, “if it is done to stop an ongoing investigation, then you do get into the criminal area.â€
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pmwhat actuallly DOES happen if they ignore the subpeona, and/or sit in front of congress and plead the 5th the whole time?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:02 pmTruth is simply too fast for the left.
Comment by Patrick1
You're WRONG quiz kid!! 'Truth' needs to be absorbed. 'Too fast' and you get into a quagmire...kind of like Iraq. You wouldn't know 'truth' if it hit you upside the head with a 2x4!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:03 pmGET'ER DONE!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:03 pmDamn! They must have like a mid-month quota or somethin the way these fools are out today!
Comment by CONservative
Take it as a good sign. A VERY good sign. They are in a huge panic.
It's a clear indication that the Bushies and Rove have sent the water boys out to spin this situation away before it blows up into a full blown OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE scenario for them.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:03 pmwhat actuallly DOES happen if they ignore the subpeona, and/or sit in front of congress and plead the 5th the whole time?
Comment by Punchy
Easy... they will blame Clinton for it.
LOL!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:04 pmMore truth for the moonbats.
And it may be this very amateurism that explains how the current Administration has managed to turn this routine issue of replacing Presidential appointees into a political fiasco. There was nothing wrong with replacing the eight Attorneys, all of whom serve at the President’s pleasure. Prosecutors deserve supervision like any other executive branch appointees.
The supposed scandal this week is that Mr. Bush had been informed last fall that some U.S. Attorneys had been less than vigorous in pursuing voter-fraud cases and that the President had made the point to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Voter fraud strikes at the heart of democratic institutions, and it was entirely appropriate for Mr. Bush–or any President–to insist that his appointees act energetically against it.
Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor’s race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129 votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the “voters†were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were “discovered†in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.
In New Mexico, another state in which recent elections have been decided by razor thin margins, U.S. Attorney David Iglesias did establish a voter fraud task force in 2004. But it lasted all of 10 weeks before closing its doors, despite evidence of irregularities by the likes of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn. As our John Fund reported at the time, Acorn’s director Matt Henderson refused to answer questions in court about whether his group had illegally made copies of voter registration cards in the run-up to the 2004 election.
As for some of the other fired Attorneys, at least one of their dismissals seemed to owe to differences with the Administration about the death penalty, another to questions about the Attorney’s managerial skills. Not surprisingly, the dismissed Attorneys are insisting their dismissals were unfair, and perhaps in some cases they were. It would not be the first time in history that a dismissed employee did not take kindly to his firing, nor would it be the first in which an employer sacked the wrong person.
No question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:04 pmTruth is simply too fast for the left.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Another one of P1's "fortune cookie" comments. Short, kinda weird, doesn't mean anything.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:05 pmThank you, Vermont Senator Leahy.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:05 pmAnything to save face, eh Patrick1? ;)
C'mon, tell us what a great news day it is for Bushies.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:06 pmLets see if Patrick Leahy will actually do what he says. He is one of the few bald men in Congress, maybe he will do it.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:06 pmOoo, Patrick can cut and paste a WSJ editorial.
Pathetic.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmNo question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
Comment by Patrick1
Like I said... it's always Clintons fault.
WAAAAHHHH!!!! Mommy, Mommy... but Clinton did it too!
Alright, sing after me...
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmPatrick has cut & paste skillz.
**yawn**
March 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmIs Leahy going to subpoena Hillary?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmRepent ,this is the ghost of Christmases past,your very own ...Jack Abramof.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmPATRICK1
The sooner we all simply ignore this moron, the sooner he'll go away.
Why do you think he tries to post first for every article? It's the attention.
As soon as you quit giving him his fifteen minutes of fame, he's gone.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNo question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
Comment by Patrick1
Well, lets investigate it then.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNo question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
Comment by Patrick1
Do ALL the locksteppers live in some alternate universe like King George?? What am I talking about, of course they do!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pmBa-da-bing!
That is what the issue is. Carol Lam was fired because she was kicking over a nest of corruption that led to the higher levels of the administration and members of Congress.
Comment by lestatdelc — March 14, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
And to the CIA, Military Contractors with Repugniscum ties, NO-BID CONTRACTS!!!, HALLIBURTON TRAITORS INCLUDING DICK(HEAD) CHENEY!!! THE LIST IS TIRING AND ENDLESS!!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:08 pm"Truth is simply too fast for the left."
Since when is John Sununu considered "the left"?
Why do you hate John Sununu, Patrick? Why do you hate republicans? Why?
;)
March 14th, 2007 at 6:09 pmTruth is simply too fast for the left.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Another one of P1’s “fortune cookie†comments. Short, kinda weird, doesn’t mean anything.
Comment by VerbalKint
Well, if you attach the phrase "in bed" to the end of Patrick's fortune, at least it's funny.
"Truth is simply too fast for the left -- in bed."
March 14th, 2007 at 6:09 pmThe second worst ever Republic president, Nixon, was brought down because he obstructed justice, looks like the first worst ever Republic president will meet the same fate.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:10 pmKarl & his stub peani
March 14th, 2007 at 6:10 pmOMG, I can hardly wait to get pasty-faced Rove on the witness stand under oath. That will really be something. I sure hope they put it on TV.
A question for Patrick1 - Who does the Attorney General work for? Who do the US Attorney's work for? Bet you don't get the answer right!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:11 pmNo question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
Comment by Patrick1
Who cares!!!
Go after all of them if it pleases you, Bush Clinton, Mickey Mouse, Abraham Lincoln.
WHO CARE!!!
Sing after me…
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
2 WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!
EVERBODY NOW!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:12 pmPatrick: If bush fired USAs because either they were not prosecuting political opponents or because they were prosecuting political allies, that is the definition of obstruction of justice.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:13 pmStop feeding Patrick? But I like feeding it, so I can marvel at its incredible stupidity.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:14 pmMore truth for the moonbats.
And it may be this very amateurism that explains how the current Administration has managed to turn this routine issue of replacing Presidential appointees into a political fiasco. There was nothing wrong with replacing the eight Attorneys, all of whom serve at the President’s pleasure. Prosecutors deserve supervision like any other executive branch appointees.
The supposed scandal this week is that Mr. Bush had been informed last fall that some U.S. Attorneys had been less than vigorous in pursuing voter-fraud cases and that the President had made the point to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Voter fraud strikes at the heart of democratic institutions, and it was entirely appropriate for Mr. Bush–or any President–to insist that his appointees act energetically against it.
Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor’s race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129 votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the “voters†were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were “discovered†in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.
In New Mexico, another state in which recent elections have been decided by razor thin margins, U.S. Attorney David Iglesias did establish a voter fraud task force in 2004. But it lasted all of 10 weeks before closing its doors, despite evidence of irregularities by the likes of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn. As our John Fund reported at the time, Acorn’s director Matt Henderson refused to answer questions in court about whether his group had illegally made copies of voter registration cards in the run-up to the 2004 election.
As for some of the other fired Attorneys, at least one of their dismissals seemed to owe to differences with the Administration about the death penalty, another to questions about the Attorney’s managerial skills. Not surprisingly, the dismissed Attorneys are insisting their dismissals were unfair, and perhaps in some cases they were. It would not be the first time in history that a dismissed employee did not take kindly to his firing, nor would it be the first in which an employer sacked the wrong person.
No question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Your ability to regurgitate all those pesky talking points in one post is amazing. I'm in absolute awe. I'm sure it took a lot of time and effort to come up with a thoughtful response like this.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:14 pm#17... that's funny...
March 14th, 2007 at 6:15 pm...guess I feel kind of empowered, being considered courageous, as a member in the company of glowing domedom...
Hey Patrick, this investigation is obviously a part of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACYâ„¢.
So now what do you do that some Republicans are now also behind it?
Waaaahhhh... what's a paid GOP Troll to do?
WAAAAHHHH!!!
I know what! BLAME IT ON CLINTON!
LOL!!!
That's all you losers have left to defend yourselves.
PATHETIC.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmPatrick1,
You are quite a slide specimen of stupidity. How is that? Were you born in an infected lab?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pm#13 Nice copy and paste job. You forgot to mention the Presidential election of 2000. You should relly read George Orwell's "1984"
March 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmTruth is simply too fast for the left.
Comment by Patrick1
You are good just like a superhero with truth and justice and the American way!!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmNice try. There was no voter fraud in Washington State. The GOP Secretary of State, the GOP State AG, and the GOP appointed US Attorney all saw the bogus claims of voter fraud for what they were... bogus.
Glad to see you spew your talking point spin that you have been fed. Well done bigot-boy troll.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:17 pmYour ability to regurgitate all those pesky talking points in one post is amazing. I’m in absolute awe. I’m sure it took a lot of time and effort to come up with a thoughtful response like this.
Comment by verse18 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Actually, it would be quite impossible for Patrick1 to come up with something like this. He cut and paste a WSJ editorial.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:17 pmYour ability to regurgitate all those pesky talking points in one post is amazing. I’m in absolute awe. I’m sure it took a lot of time and effort to come up with a thoughtful response like this.
Comment by verse18
Ctrl+V
March 14th, 2007 at 6:17 pmNo wonder the Left cannot get anything done.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:18 pmThis 'Cotton Top' Leahy is all they have. He is a mumbler.
BINGO! God, how I love being right! I just have a very good feeling that this is the "ant that moved the rubber tree plant" story, being played out for all of us.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:19 pmYou mean his lots of time and effort it took to cut and paste a WSJ op-ed that is fact and truth free?
Color me impressed.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:20 pmShit,
March 14th, 2007 at 6:21 pmMeet Fan.
Patsie, here, stand in front of fan.
R2DumbToo, turn the fan on HIGH and step right close up to Patsie.
Good trolls...
Flaco, don't take your bad day out on Leahy and Sununu.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWhat's that noise?
Oh, never mind, just trolls howling from under their britches.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:22 pmYou are good just like a superhero with truth and justice and the American way!!!!
Comment by Flaco
I'm sure Patrick appreciates support from a limp dick like you, Flaco.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:22 pmYa'll trolls gotta stick together!
I hope I beat Patrick this time!
Comment by CONservative.
When you gonna stop the war asahat.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pmYou guys are in power remember?
#47- Why me laugh... ?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pmLets see what the headlines are on other news sites...
The Water Carriers are out in full force today with meaningless headlines to distract the mindless masses.
Yep, the Bushies are in very SERIOUS trouble.
I predict that this story may be what we've all been waiting for.
Bush's Water(gate)loo.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:24 pmZooey could end this nightmare of a administration by giving Bush some head then we could impeach him. You up for it Zooey? It was your idea.
U would be a hero to the TP masses.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWhen are you going to enlist, asahat?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:27 pmNo question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don’t have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 14, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Oh?
The timing is well worth noting. But the Lewis investigation wasn't the only trouble Lam was making. Look what else was happening in the couple weeks before May 11th ...
April 28th, 2006 -- Cunningham-Wilkes-Foggo "Hookergate" scandal breaks open. Probe grows out of San Diego US Attorney's Office's Cunningham investigation. CIA Director Goss denies involvement.
April 29th, 2006 -- Washington Post reports that Hookergate's Shirlington Limo Service had $21 million contract with Department of Homeland Security.
May 2nd, 2006 -- Kyle "Dusty" Foggo confirms attendence at Wilkes/Cunningham Hookergate parties.
May 4th, 2006 -- Watergate Hotel subpoenaed in San Diego/Cunningham/Hookergate probe.
May 5th, 2006 -- WSJ reports that Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, who Goss installed as #3 at CIA, is under criminal investigation as part of the San Diego/Cunningham investigation.
May 5th, 2006 -- Porter Goss resigns as Director of Central Intelligence.
May 6th, 2006 -- WaPo reports on questionable DHS contract awarded to Shirlington Limo, the 'hookergate' Limo service under scrutiny as part of the San Diego/Cunningham investigation. Similar report in the Times.
May 7th, 2006 -- House Committee to investigate DHS contract with Hookergate's Shirlington Limo.
May 8th, 2006 -- Lyle "Dusty" Foggo resigns at CIA.
May 11th, 2006 -- LA Times reports that Cunningham investigation has expanded into the dealings of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), House Appropriations Committee Chairman.
Sampson writes email about Lam being a "real problem".
May 12th, 2006 -- Federal agents working on the San Diego/Cunningham investigation execute search warrants on the home and CIA office of Kyle "Dusty" Foggo.
Another thing to consider is, as cmc over at TPMmuckraker noted in the comments:
March 14th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Headline on the runner says:
Gonzales, will he survive?
Can't wait till the runner says
Bush/Rove, will they survive????
Can't effing wait.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:28 pmMaybe the superbly moral Vice President will tell Leahy to go f*ck himself again.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:28 pmZooey could end this nightmare of a administration by giving Bush some head then we could impeach him. You up for it Zooey? It was your idea.
U would be a hero to the TP masses.
Comment by Flaco
I've been trying, but you're always there first, Flaco.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmRe: #54
March 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmMistress Z ~
Take him up on it, then subcontract it out to Halliburton.
Patrick Leahy is a good guy - always has been.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI hope you all know I'm being facetious. I was trying to see how easy it was to do patrick1's job. Being a sycophantic boot-licker to an imbecile. Not that hard really.
The first time I replied to patrick1 like this, he actually thougth I was SUPPORTING him. What a simpleton.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:30 pmYep, I smell an OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE investigation in the air.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:31 pmTruth is simply too fast for the left.
Comment by Patrick1
You are good just like a superhero with truth and justice and the American way!!!!
Comment by Flaco
Would you two homophobes (closeted gays) get a room for your love fest?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:31 pmYou two stroking each other in public is kinda gross.
The Top 10 Reasons Gonzales Must Go:
March 14th, 2007 at 6:32 pm1. Lying Under Oath
2. Purging Prosecutors
3. Misusing the Patriot Act's National Security Letters
4. Authorizing Illegal NSA Domestic Surveillance
5. Enabling John Yoo and Unchecked Presidential War Powers
6. Rendering the Geneva Conventions "Quaint"
7. Supporting Military Commissions and the End of Habeas Corpus
8. Blessing Unprecedented Expansion of Presidential Signing Statements
9. Facilitating a CIA Leak Cover-Up
10. Gutting Minority Voting Rights
I remember a while back, someone was willing to "take one for the team", but it wasn't Zooey. It was a guy I believe.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by wayne
I'm checking orbitz for Watergate hotel rooms for them right now.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:34 pmFlaco, you got pwned, dude. Zooey is too much for you.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:34 pm“I really think there’s a serious estrangement between the White House and Alberto now,†one of the Republicans said....
....inside the White House, aides to the president, including Mr. Rove and Joshua B. Bolten, the chief of staff, were said to be increasingly concerned that the controversy could damage Mr. Bush.
“They’re taking it seriously,†said the other of the two Republicans who spoke about the White House’s relationship with Mr. Gonzales. “I think Rove and Bolten believe there is the potential for erosion of the president’s credibility on this issue.â€
OOPS.
The Trolls may not be worried, because, well, you know, "Clinton did it too" but the Bushies are indeed VERY worried about it.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:34 pm#65, and as every first year law student knows,
March 14th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThere is no habeus corpus in the constitution...
Comment by Angry One #65
...Thanks Angry One...
...nuff said!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:37 pmHey FT, wasn't it Krazny?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#64 wayne
I think it more likely that 'they' are filling up at the self-service pump.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:38 pmI remember a while back, someone was willing to “take one for the teamâ€, but it wasn’t Zooey. It was a guy I believe.
Comment by ForTruth
He said Flaco was always there first, slurping away.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI've heard this Patrick Leahy is missing one nut either from an industrial accident or maybe from a freak sex act with Zooey.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:40 pmComment by RUCerious — March 14, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
There is no "no bank robbing" in the Constitution either. The body of U.S. law does within just the Constitution.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:41 pmGotta go kiddies, mommy is calling me.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:41 pm#75 Comment by Flaco — March 14, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
What next? The "he looks ugly" defense?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI’ve heard this Patrick Leahy is missing one nut either from an industrial accident or maybe from a freak sex act with Zooey.
Comment by Flaco
Dude, I can get into the blood aspect, but I like my men fully functional.
Remember? That's why we had to break up.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pmFlaco, you're making this too easy, baby.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:44 pmWell now that u mention it he is scary looking bye.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmHey FT, wasn’t it Krazny?
Comment by RUCerious
It was AkaDad, but he called in dead.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThere is no “no bank robbing†in the Constitution either. The body of U.S. law does within just the Constitution.
Comment by lestatdelc — March 14, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard our friggin AG say that!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmWhat damn law school did the numnutz attend again?
And to think that up till my senior year at UCSB I was majoring in prelaw polisci.
Geez.
I think I hear the ding dong of troll time clocks being punched out...
March 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pmAnd the stench is lessening...
It was AkaDad, but he called in dead.
Comment by Zooey —
Please have the common courtesy of not mentioning to Krazny that I offered him up~!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThe Trolls may not be worried, because, well, you know, “Clinton did it too†but the Bushies are indeed VERY worried about it.
Comment by JPV
The Bushies are in total freekout mode over this. heh
March 14th, 2007 at 6:49 pmY'know, I'd really really, really, really REALLY
March 14th, 2007 at 6:50 pmLike to see rove 'resist'
Yeah.
Gonzales is a goner. He will be sacrificed in an attempt to save Rove, who cannot, under any conditions, afford to testify under oath.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:50 pmWhen you gonna stop the war asahat.
You guys are in power remember?
Comment by Flaco
Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones you talking-point regurgitator...and use spell check, it's spelled ASShat!!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:52 pmDogjudge,
Exactly!
We have a saying here in Texas; don't argue with a pig, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:52 pmThe fascist lap dogs should be ignored, dont legitimize their convoluted delusion's
The Constitution of the United States
Under powers forbidden to congress
Article 1 Section 9 (2)
"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended unless when in the case of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
So I guess it's OK for an AG....
March 14th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI haven't seen a collective freakout by the trolls this big in a long time, if ever. I think we might be witnessing the death rattle of Karl Rove's brownshirt forces. It is like the orcs losing all sense of purpose and direction when Sauron is struck down.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:54 pmThe Top 10 Reasons Gonzales Must Go:
Surely there must be enough for the Top 20 Reasons then...
March 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pmPlease bring Rove in to my dungeon before testifying at Senate Hearing. I will bring some of my S&M friends and they will give him a workover. Then I will use my waterboarding device. We will then deliver him to the Capitol. He will speak. And Bush Chaney will be impeached within the month. Sound like a plan? (I ran it by the Sargeant Major and he is drooling at getting KKKRove in his hands.....salivating.....
March 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pmVK ~ And now, as if by the wave of a magic wand (or time clock), Bibbidy Bobbidy Boo!
March 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pmThey're gone. Mysteries abound.
Ah, the sweet sound of a tightening noose. For some reason we haven't heard that sound since before January 20, 2001. I wonder why that is?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pm#88 - Gonzales is a goner. He will be sacrificed in an attempt to save Rove, who cannot, under any conditions, afford to testify under oath.
Gitmo Abu Gonzo is in deep guano.
If the Dems would start further investigations, so too would Darth Cheney, KKKarl Rove, and Emperor Bush Himself.
One step at a time.
Remember, it was tax fraud that brought down Al Capone.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pmGonzales is a goner. He will be sacrificed in an attempt to save Rove, who cannot, under any conditions, afford to testify under oath.
Comment by VerbalKint
Too late for that, even if Speedy resigns, it is already gotten out that Rove was involved. He will be subpoenaed anyway. Hard to get that cat back in the bag after it has gotten out.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:57 pmPlease have the common courtesy of not mentioning to Krazny that I offered him up~!
Comment by RUCerious
Of course..... :)
March 14th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThey’re gone. Mysteries abound.
Comment by RUCerious — March 14, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
It's quitting time for the trolls. They will rest up and return tomorrow.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmThe drone army is collapsing.
General Grievous Rove is sweating like a stuck pig.
Blood in the water.
-GSD
March 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmPapSmear, T'rashy, Flaccid and virulent venereal...
...are all shook up today...
...seems Leahy and the Dems have injected some sanity/reality into...
...the criminal Bushites' fantasy camp...
...and EVEN have some REPULSIVESCUM TRAITORS hedging their bets...
...so naturally they're REGRESSING...
...hiding in the (Clinton, Carter, Buchanan) past...
...their intellectual, moral and spiritual dwarfism...
...does not afford them the opportunity to rise above...
...substituting petty worthless jabberwocky...
...for reasoned, intelligent debate...
...after all...
...they're all...
...viral in nature...
March 14th, 2007 at 7:00 pmturdblossom's going to end up with a tit in the legal wringer one way or another by the time the unsinkable Bushmarck has sunk.
i'm glad that they've gone SO far this time that America will have a bad taste in its mouth for 50-60 years into the future. burn those bridges boys! leave no lie untold, no law unbroken!!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:00 pmRocks911: "don't argue with a pig. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
Priceless!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:08 pmCan someone please do something about getting some decent trolls in here? These middle-school kids we have to deal with are so tiresome.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:09 pmZooey could end this nightmare...by giving Bush some head...You up for it Zooey? It was your idea. U would be a hero to the TP masses.
Comment by Flaco
I’ve been trying, but you’re always there first, Flaco.
Comment by Zooey — March 14, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
that makes me so proud to know you... :-)
March 14th, 2007 at 7:10 pmzing!
Karla Rove is going to make a beautiful blushing prison bride.
LOL!!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pmI'd like to see Rove in a reanactment of that lovely scene in Pulp Fiction, you know the one with the gimp.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWhat the hell is going on at the WSJ and the NYTimes Editorial offices?
Do they have the Kool-Aid in the drinking fountains?
They're worse than the Moonie Times!!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:12 pmi LOVE it when Leahy gets pissed off! he'll have Rove screaming daddy (and Gannon won't even be around this time)
March 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pmthat makes me so proud to know you… :-)
zing!
Comment by katy
Me and Flaco is gettin' married -- soon as he turns 16. :P
March 14th, 2007 at 7:15 pm56 - great post.
Thanks.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:15 pmWhen you gonna stop the war asahat.
You guys are in power remember?
Comment by Flaco
Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones you talking-point regurgitator…and use spell check, it’s spelled ASShat!!
Comment by CONservative
Hey fcuktard, asshat spell check? u r the bright one for sure.
Now ASShat in the dictionary gives me your name.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI’d like to see Rove in a reanactment of that lovely scene in Pulp Fiction, you know the one with the gimp.
Comment by ForTruth
But he does that every night.....maybe there's a video...
March 14th, 2007 at 7:16 pmIt’s quitting time for the trolls. They will rest up and return tomorrow.
Comment by VerbalKint — March 14, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Obviously Patrick1 has to get his beauty sleep so that he can be first on each thread in the morning.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThis scandal could bring down both Gonzales AND Rove.
Politicizing the US Attorneys is a Constitutional crisis.
Looks like they're already throwing Harriet under the bus.
And Alberto's deputy has fallen on his sword.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:17 pmGotta love these room temperature IQ trolls (yes, I am talking about you Patrick1, Jake, michael):
But.. but... Clinton! Carter! Er, uh, dissolve Congress! Uh, oh, Clinton!
And I thought everything Clinton did was bad. Silly me.
Moronic brownshirt wankers...
March 14th, 2007 at 7:18 pmWould it be asking too much if the Senate Judiciary Committee used "coercive interrogation techniques" on Rove and Gonzalez, televised on CSPAN of course. (Wouldn't that boost their ratings!!!)
March 14th, 2007 at 7:18 pmMay those who know of the crimes of this Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence of wrongdoing.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:20 pmGonzales is going down like Jeff Gannon in the Green Room with a tube of Astro-glide.
-GSD
March 14th, 2007 at 7:21 pmLeahy kicks ass!
It is time to put stuff ON the table.
No holds barred either. We need hearings on AIPAC.
They've been involved in espionage, why are they still operating?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:21 pmComment by JaneESchneider — March 14, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
Jane, good to hear from you again. My best to you and Wayne.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:21 pm[...] were they fired? Congress needs to find out, particularly in light of the revelation that Bush’s White House Counsel at the time, Harriet [...]
March 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pmHey fcuktard, asshat spell check? u r the bright one for sure.
Now ASShat in the dictionary gives me your name.
Comment by Flaco — March 14, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
You really shouldn't lay down your mirrors, over your dictionary pages - *SSHAT!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:27 pmObviously Patrick1 has to get his beauty sleep so that he can be first on each thread in the morning.
Comment by JaneESchneider — March 14, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
Actually it's "first on each" small boy "in the morning"...like all Repugniscums!!! Massive numbers of boy touchers everywhere!!! FBI, Justice, the WH!! everywhere!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmTee hee!!!
The wheels of this criminal administration are really starting to fall off now.
When reading this story, all I could do was giggle.
Ha!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmZooey could end this nightmare…by giving Bush some head…You up for it Zooey? It was your idea. U would be a hero to the TP masses.
Comment by Flaco
Bush the Cheerleader is more likely to suckumb to your advances - and you're more likely to offer them :)
March 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmHi, BnF--I wish I had more time to read and comment here, we're both still REALLY busy at work. We WILL, however, finally each get computers at home in about a month, so we'll both be back.
I have to leave now, gotta go watch Keith. Goodnight!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmThis Attorneygate scandal could dig up another, even nastier scandal.
Bill Moyers called the Marianas "the heart of darkness" of the GOP.
Abramoff was involved. Sweatshops, sex slavery and forced abortions.
When the US Attorney on Guam started to investigate, Abramoff made one phone call - to Karl Rove - and he was gone.
The US Attorney on Guam was replaced with a Repuke party hack. The investigation into sex slavery and forced abortions was immediately dropped.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:29 pmMay those who know of the crimes of this Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence of wrongdoing.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — March 14, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
there it is... haven't seen that in a while...
March 14th, 2007 at 7:33 pmi'm sure that it's working... repeat, everyone... repeat...
May those in this administration who know the truth and have evidence of the crimes in this administration present it as soon as possible.
I can see it. I can feel it. Feel the feeling of what that would be like. There's your quantum physics. Seriously.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pmYou really shouldn’t lay down your mirrors, over your dictionary pages - *SSHAT!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Thanks for your help there, although no amount of pointing out facts to the ignorant will ever get through, especially when they're suffering from such a severe case of cranial rectumitis!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:37 pmI'm still here, VerbalKint -- just watching some T.V. now.
P.S. Gregor Samsa -- who said anything about dissolving Congress?! (according to Art. II Sec. 3, if there's any such disagreement the President can simply adjorn them to such Time as he shall think proper ; )
March 14th, 2007 at 7:39 pmTom3:
Kinda like how Clinton replaced the U.S. Attorney for Little Rock to cover up Whitewater, right? Too bad this time there's no Independent Counsel law to make up for that and the Patriot Act allowed replacements without Senate votes . . .
March 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pmBush Hit-Woman Behind Prosecutor Firings Has Long History of Purges to Protect Bush
http://www.gregpalast.com/bush-hit-woman-behind-prosecutor-firings-has-long-history-of-purges-to-protect-bush/
Greg Palast reminds us that Harriet Miers' past "purge" helped keep George W. Bush's priority placement in the Texas Air National Guard a secet.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:43 pmDear DemLeaders - PLEASE keep up investigating everything about every Republican!! That way, whiny pacifists who elected you might not notice you aren't doing a thing to end the war! (That IS the platform you were elected on, right?)
March 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pmRe: Congression subpoena for Rove -- has any High-Level Staffer EVER been forced to testify in front of Congress? Regardless of party affiliation, there is such a thing as Separation of Powers and Executive Privilege -- how can the President expect to receive candid advice from his staff if they have to worry about such advice being asked about by Congress? Legitimate oversight is one thing, but prying into confidential Executive matters when there's no crime in replacing U.S. Attorneys is completely unacceptable. I would hope the President goes to the mat on that one.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:48 pmFrom Article II, Section 3: "on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;"
Nice try, Jake. Where, exactly, is the disagreement between the houses on this issue? In addition, in your next post you seem to be admitting that it would not be good for Bush if there was still an independent councel law. Leahy doesn't need that law to subpoena members of the administration, smart guy.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:48 pm"Timothy Griffin, Karl Rove’s assistant, the President’s pick as US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas...was the hidden hand behind a scheme to wipe out the voting rights of 70,000 citizens prior to the 2004 election."
"Key voters on Griffin’s hit list: Black soldiers and homeless men and women. Nice guy, eh? Naughty or nice, however, is not the issue. Targeting voters where race is a factor is a felony crime under the Voting Rights Act of 1965."
the full story from Greg Palast:
March 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pmhttp://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/
Dear DemLeaders - PLEASE keep up investigating everything about every Republican!! That way, whiny pacifists who elected you might not notice you aren’t doing a thing to end the war! (That IS the platform you were elected on, right?)
Comment by valiant venus
Dear Miss No Credibility Hag,
Unlike the rightwing scum in this country, who can only think about the icky homo sex, Dems can do more than one thing at a time.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pmCan someone please do something about getting some decent trolls in here? These middle-school kids we have to deal with are so tiresome.
Comment by KRank — March 14, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
I propose forming a troll school, with the dean of trolls, Exley, as its headmaster.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pmVV: "whiny pacifists..."
Jesus: "Blessed are the peacemakers."
VV, is it tiring to continually have to stand up for the forces of darkness?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pmDear DemLeaders - PLEASE keep up investigating everything about every Republican!! Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Wow, you're calling for the prosecution of your criminal party? Or was that another *attempt* at sarcasm? You're so criminally bad at it, it's hard to tell - st*pid c*nt.
That way, whiny pacifists who elected you might not notice you aren’t doing a thing to end the war! (That IS the platform you were elected on, right?) Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Says the whiny war wh*re who might not notice the colossal failures of her entire party.
Actually Mighty C*nt - holding Bush accountable *was* the platform we elected them to do. While you were busy ignoring Foley, Abramoff, Libby and the rest of your *culture-of-corruption*. America was voting your disgusting immoral and *whiny* *sses out of office. Or are you too st*pid to remember the 2006 election?
Your myspace page looks like you haven't eaten since before the election, so we'll just chalk up your st*pid statements to low blood sugar? 'Kay princess?
Tell me, did your *daddy* or your *rabbi* get you that job in the Commodities trading? Because a Poli-sci major is hardly *qualified* to do that job. It does explain the collapse of so many companies in the mortgage industry, if people like you are the *best* our universities are putting out!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by valiant venus
Comment by Jake
Looks like some OT being put in by the water-carriers tonight, eh?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmDear Miss No Credibility Hag,
Unlike the rightwing scum in this country, who can only think about the icky homo sex, Dems can do more than one thing at a time.
Comment by Zooey — March 14, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
She can't even *eat* and *live* at the same time, poor little Anorexic whack job. She sure does *whine* a lot, for someone that doesn't like that trait in others. She reminds of the self loathing GOP gays. They like criticizing themselves, by criticizing others as well! The funniest part is her calling Liberals *wimpy*, while trying to act like the biggest bull d*ke around! Talk about *sexual-confusion*!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmVV, is it tiring to continually have to stand up for the forces of darkness? Comment by Bluedog49 — March 14, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Without them, she would have died from starvation a long time ago. The dark energy is all that supports her tiny frame! ;)
March 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pmJake, you wouldn't happen to be shilling for the administration from a windowless west wing office, would you?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pm"with the advice and consent of the Senate"
Key words. AG, Rove and Bush were about to install federal attorneys without legislative oversight, based on an obscure and overlooked provision of the Patriot Act that was unconstitutional in-the-cradle (and subsequently quickly chucked by Congress upon discovery).
Trolls want to quote the constitution? Weren't you all in favor of the Pariot Act? Do you hold contempt toward the constitution? Make up your minds! Which is it? Constitution or Patriot Act? Choose.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pmLOL @ CONservative! First it was that that I would be leaving at 5pm when my "shift was over". Then, when I don't leave at 5pm, it means I am putting in "overtime"?! What's your excuse for posting here then?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:59 pmJake, give it up. No one here is buying your BS. You have two talking points, and they are both long dead. One is that Clinton fired a bunch of USAs. The other is that the President is allowed to fire USAs. Can't you see just how desperate and pathetic these thoroughly debunked talking points sound? The Bush administration abused its power by applying thuggery and intimidation to the USAs to persuade them in turn to abuse their power in the pursuit of partisan political goals. Then it lied about it. Several times. And now it has been caught.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pmVerbalKint:
No. Are you working from a windowless Rayburn or Hart Building office?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pmBC:
Too late -- those U.S. Attorneys were already replaced according to the properly-passed-and-signed-into-law provision that Feinstein is now trying to repeal. Good luck with that!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:03 pmNo. Are you working from a windowless Rayburn or Hart Building office? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
Are you working from your mother's basement? 'Cause you sound like a 12 year old boy that needs to get laid by someone other than his *dad*.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pmAs a "pacifist according to V V", I've got to say, woman or not, I'd like to slap her.
not wanting to piss away a trillion dollars in failing to bring justice to terrorists or help anyone on earth, secure the limblessness and insanity of untold thousands of American kids and Iraqi orphans isn't pacifism, VV, it's sanity.
pissing away a trillion dollars in exchange for a bunch of amputees, orphans, corpses, and ruined cities isn't brave or smart or responsible. it's stupid, and the people who support it are stupid too, and not patriots or heroes. the people who oppose it, have always opposed it, and come to oppose it are smart, not pacifists.
JFC! - is it really rocket science?????
March 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pmVerbalKint:
Fine - if firing U.S. Attorneys for political reasons is now off-limits, let's make sure the standard is applied across party lines next time.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:05 pmToo late — those U.S. Attorneys were already replaced according to the properly-passed-and-signed-into-law provision that Feinstein is now trying to repeal. Good luck with that! Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Yet several administration officials appear to have committed perjury in the process. Good luck indeed! We have a Libby redux. This time, you CONs didn't have enough time to delete the emails, and you've been *caught* under oath to congress. Not just in a grand jury!
More CONs are gonna fry! Bush better get his *pardon-pen* ready! He's gonna need it - dum bass!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pmP.S. Gregor Samsa — who said anything about dissolving Congress?! (according to Art. II Sec. 3, if there’s any such disagreement the President can simply adjorn them to such Time as he shall think proper ; )
Comment by Jake
Wrong....
He can call a special session and Adjourn a session. No where does it state he can disolve congress.
and you skipped mentioning section 4:
March 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pmThe President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
That way, whiny pacifists who elected you might not notice you aren’t doing a thing to end the war!
Comment by valiant venus #135
Dear virulent venereal disease,
If you convene a meeting of all of the other mothball encrusted al Crackker bush's...
...(pun definitely intended- and please note small "b")...
...in your Daughters of the Confederacy Bridge club...
...and all of you incestuous bi*ches pressure your corrupt, TREASONOUS, right wing, al Crackkker conned'self-servative...
...Congress persons and Senators...
...to assist the Democrats in obtaining a 60 vote super majority with which to override your DEMON god Bushiva's veto...
...I guarantee you we'd be out of Iraq quicker than you inbred bi*ches can SCREAM...
..."Hit it again DaddY, only this time HARDER!"
March 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pmLOL @ CONservative! First it was that that I would be leaving at 5pm when my “shift was overâ€. Then, when I don’t leave at 5pm, it means I am putting in “overtimeâ€?! What’s your excuse for posting here then?
Comment by Jake
You know that might be the first constructive thing you've said all day!! I come on here to speak truth to power but since the army of water-carriers such as yourself insist on ignorantly defending these criminals come hell or high water...I don't know what the hell I'm doing here!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pmHey FT, wasn’t it Krazny?
Comment by RUCerious — March 14, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
I admit it, it was, but hey someone has to do something.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pmwhen there’s no crime in replacing U.S. Attorneys is completely unacceptable. I would hope the President goes to the mat on that one.
See Constitution, re: Advice and consent of congress.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pmOK patrick1, firehead, jake and other trolls. Let's try it this way.
When a president, any president, Republican, Democrat, independent, whatever, takes his oath of office it includes seeing that the laws of the land are fairly discharged. He (maybe she in the future) appoints an attorney general to help him take care of this part of his job. He and the AG appoint US attorneys to take care of the details in the various districts around the nation. One of them does his/her job and catches a politician taking bribes from a campaign donor and in return steers some government business to the donor's business. In other words they are indulging in corrupt activities that are against the law. Local policitians find out what is going on and get the word to the president's political advisor who gets together with the president and the AG. They don't want the politician, who is in their party, and the donor to their campaigns to get in trouble, so they get rid of the US attorney and the crooked politician and the donor get away with a crime. Now let's consider a few questions: Right or wrong? Legal or illegal? Honest or corrupt? If Hillary is our next president (Heaven forbid) and she pulls the same scam, will that be okay with you?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:12 pm"Too late — those U.S. Attorneys were already replaced according to the properly-passed-and-signed-into-law provision that Feinstein is now trying to repeal. Good luck with that!"
Comment by Jake
A law that was unconstitutional to begin with. They are occupying the job unconstitutionally. They should be recalled.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pmwayne:
Did you miss the part of my question to Gregor Samsa that went like this: "-- who said anything about dissolving Congress?!"? I was ASKING him, not stating that the President can dissolve Congress (and, yes, of course the Congress can impeach and remove Bush anytime you get 15 more GOP Senators to do so).
March 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pmJake: "Fine - if firing U.S. Attorneys for political reasons is now off-limits, let’s make sure the standard is applied across party lines next time."
Again, nice try. No, sorry, this is about firing U.S. Attorneys as a way to obstruct and ruin certain embarassing federal criminal proceedings. That's definitely against the law. It's called obstruction of justice, something I could have sworn was important to conservatives just about 10 years ago.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI volunteer to build the scaffolds on the Mall right by the Washington Monument. Or perhaps we should borrow Madame La Guillotine from the Smithsonian...I assume they have one there...if not, I think the French would be happy to lend us a hand. I have a long list and we will be busy for days and days.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pmAnother clown heard from.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:16 pmHere Patrick1, since you can't comprehend what you read, or what you post for that matter.
"3-2.120 Appointment United States Attorneys are appointed by the President with the ADVICE AND CONSENT OF THE SENATE for a four-year term. See 28 U.S.C. Sec. 541.
Advice and Consent Patrick1, but alas, the Bush Crime Family stripped away that provision as well with a stealthly insertion of a provision into an unrelated bill.
There is not an action taken by this crime family that does not undermine this nation and it's peoples.
I admit it, it was, but hey someone has to do something.
Comment by Krazny
It was you, too? Oy.
RUC~I did not tell him, I swear. :)
March 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pmCONservative:
Don't let the door hit you on the way out : )
Karp's disciple:
Well, right or wrong, it IS LEGAL and no one complained when either Carter or Clinton did it. I would assume the rest of the professional prosecutors in that U.S. Attorney's office would go about their jobs just like they did with Eilberg and Rostenkowski, respectively. But, if we are changing the rules from now on, I guess then Hillary would have to be held to the same standard too. Next question?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pmDid you miss the part of my question to Gregor Samsa that went like this: “– who said anything about dissolving Congress?!� I was ASKING him, not stating that the President can dissolve Congress (and, yes, of course the Congress can impeach and remove Bush anytime you get 15 more GOP Senators to do so). Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
Or we can prosecute his entire administration and continue to remind the entire country what a bunch of useless mobsters your entire political party is! Won't that be fun?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm"the Bush Crime Family stripped away that provision as well with a stealthly insertion of a provision into an unrelated bill."
Comment by jar_jar_bush
What's really hilarious, is that nobody's sure, as yet, who put the provision into the Patriot Act. Anybody?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pmBluedog49:
Perhaps you weren't here earlier (forgive me anyone else who has heard this already). Both Carter and Clinton replaced U.S. Attorneys specifically in response to requests by Congressmen under investigation in federal criminal proceedings. I'd love for you to cite what "law" that is against, but maybe you should read more up on the facts of those earlier cases first:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,912155,00.html?promoid=googlep
(Carter replacing the US Attorney who was investigating the kickbacks at the Hahneman Hospital in Philadelphia. David Marston was the US Attorney conducting an investigation into charges against Democratic Representatives Joshua Eilberg and Daniel Flood)
March 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pmWell, right or wrong, it IS LEGAL and no one complained when either Carter or Clinton did it. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Actually that's two lies in one. Clinton didn't do it, and Carter only did it once to a *firestorm* of GOP complaints. That makes you a double liar - two for the price of one! You're the *bargain-fool* of the afternoon!
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945941,00.html
I would assume the rest of the professional prosecutors in that U.S. Attorney’s office would go about their jobs just like they did with Eilberg and Rostenkowski, respectively. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Prosecuting the Bush admin for their crimes? We can hope so.
But, if we are changing the rules from now on, I guess then Hillary would have to be held to the same standard too. Next question? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Rules? You mean Perjury before congress?
Next question? You're awfully dismissive, for a complete and utter fool.
Next troll? Loser twit!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:24 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus:
My "party" registration is Independent, thank you very much.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:24 pmOh, when I said "no one complained" I meant to to point of demanding resignations, subpoenas, and constructing a gallows or guillotine on the Mall. You are correct that Time magazine pointed out Carter's hypocrisy - big whoop!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pm"Well, right or wrong, it IS LEGAL and no one complained when either Carter or Clinton did it"
And Reagan and Bush 41. All Presidents relieve the federal prosecutors of their preceding administrations. And they may replace them with ideologues. But these are Bush 43's own appointments!
Troll challenge: Find the performance reports of the fired prosecutors and post them. If they were performing incompetently (all of them) that would go along way to supporting your position. After all, Gonzales said (under oath) they were fired on the basis of performance.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pm"My “party†registration is Independent, thank you very much."
Comment by Jake
Funny. Every Bush appologist says that.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pmMy “party†registration is Independent, thank you very much.
Comment by Jake #172
Who cares?
If it espouses right wing Bushite ideological talking points...
...then...
...it's a TREASONOUS, right wing, inbred, conned'self-servative, home schooled, Bushite cultist...
...and you're fooling who?
...you're fooling YOU...
March 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pmMy “party†registration is Independent, thank you very much.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
Yet you carry water endlessly for the GOP. You sound like another Libertarian, that's too *cowardly* to admit they're a republican. Yet another Stossel dum bass. Figures.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:32 pmFitzgerlad:Episode 3: The Gonzalez connection
March 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmU provided this article today. Actually quite calming somebody really intends to subpoena
Recently, it's very uncool to admit to being a republican.
Wonder why that is...?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmOh, when I said “no one complained†I meant to to point of demanding resignations, subpoenas, and constructing a gallows or guillotine on the Mall. You are correct that Time magazine pointed out Carter’s hypocrisy - big whoop! Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Since no one has demanded a gallows yet, by your definition "no one has complained yet" about this affair? Idiot.
As for your claim - re-read it you st*p*d *sshole. Not only was there a justice department investigation, but the GOP including Orin Hatch made a *huge* stink about holding them accountable for it.
Why don't you pull your head out of your *ss long enough to realize you now have sh*t for brains!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:36 pmOh no. Jake just pulled the ole "independent" card out of his *ss. Did
he follow it up with one of these .... ;) ? Grow a pair, Jake. Your
comments do a fine job of showing how truley "independent" you are...
Go Bush? Jake, Jake, Jake...sigh...focus! dum bass...
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBC:
No one does their job 100% Even Carter could point to issues with Marston although we all know he sacked him because of the kickback investigation.
big papa:
I don't care, but evidently someone(s) above want to broadbrush me by dismissing "my party".
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus:
Perhaps you should re-read #164 and tell me what YOU think angryvietnamvet meant by "scaffolds" or "Madame La Guillotine"?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:42 pmalp3:
I voted for John F. Kennedy as well. Are you saying that no other Independents voted for him?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI voted for John F. Kennedy as well. Are you saying that no other Independents voted for him?
Comment by Jake
Last time I checked JFK has been dead for nearly 45 years. So did you vote for LBJ, Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore or Kerry? I didn't think so...
March 14th, 2007 at 8:46 pm#140 -
"Jesus: “Blessed are the peacemakers.â€
VV, is it tiring to continually have to stand up for the forces of darkness?"
Comment by Bluedog49
The Marines, Army, et al. are our nation's peacemakers - after they kick the $h*t out of the bad guys and break things. P.S. Jesus didn't say " Blessed are the whiny pacifists"....so I guess that leaves YOU out in the cold - - brrrrrr.
It isn't one bit tiring rebutting the tired mantra of the Left. It's an adventure....
March 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pm".....Marston although we all know he sacked him because of the kickback investigation."
Comment by Jake
Was Marston's replacement vetted by Congress. Or did Carter have his own little Patriot Act tucked away somewhere?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:51 pmIt isn’t one bit tiring rebutting the tired mantra of the Left. It’s an adventure….
Comment by valiant venus
Alas it's obvious you don't get tired of defending the lies and propganda of the right either...though your lockstepping like a herd of sheep sure doesn't sound very adventurous.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pm#164 - "I volunteer to build the scaffolds on the Mall right by the Washington Monument. Or perhaps we should borrow Madame La Guillotine from the Smithsonian…I assume they have one there…if not, I think the French would be happy to lend us a hand. I have a long list and we will be busy for days and days." Comment by angryvietnamvet
AngryVet is a WONDERFUL example of the toleRANT Left. I bet you would have fit right in to the Stalin regime. As usual, you're a day late and a dollar short....
March 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmAre we bringing Kennedy into todays foray now, too? I'm not talking about all "independents", Jake.
Focus!
I'm talking about you, based on all of your posts here today.
You are anything but and "independent" voter, and
nobody is falling for that particular line of bullsh*t.
Just admit it... you're a republican, and a very f*ckin' lockstep loyalist at that.
Why you lie, straight out of the gate is a mystery to me.
But, I'm guessing it isn't helping your creepy cause.
; )
March 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmCONservative:
I voted for LBJ and Clinton (once).
March 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe Peacemakers are wise men and women (if they want to be) in powerful positions . Army, Marines, Navy and Airforce are just working guys who would gladly avoid war if they can, and gladly go if they are called for a just cause.
A "whiney pacifist" is preferable to a ball-less war monger.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmCONservative - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Left with which you disagree....(I'm not expecting the list to be VERY long.)
March 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pmAngryVet is a WONDERFUL example of the toleRANT Left. I bet you would have fit right in to the Stalin regime. As usual, you’re a day late and a dollar short….
Comment by valiant venus
I don't think he would fit in at all to the Stalin regime, being that we're seeing the equivalent firsthand with the BUSH regime. As usual you're projecting and we see right through it...
March 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pmalp3:
As soon as you prove YOUR party registration over this Internets thingie, I'll do the same : )
March 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pmPerhaps you should re-read #164 and tell me what YOU think angryvietnamvet meant by “scaffolds†or “Madame La Guillotine�
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
It means that a *private-citizen* made the remark. Unless you can claim that no *private-citizen* made the same remark about a member of the Carter administration - then you're a liar, a hypocrite and a fool. Wait, those *facts* are already established!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by Jake #182
Jake,
Do you believe that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should be:
IMPEACHED
TRIED/CONVICTED
INCARCERATED
IMPOVERISHED/or subjected to other harsh punishment as proscribed by law...
...for TREASON, corruption, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other high crimes and misdemeanors?
Do you believe that the Republican Party should be thoroughly investigated...
...and members found guilty of TREASON, aiding and abetting corruption, war crimes, torture, crimes against humanity and other high crimes and misdemeanors...
INCARCERATE
IMPOVERISHED
EXILED/or other harsh punishment as proscribed by law???
Do you believe that Alberto Gonzales should be:
FIRED/Forced to resign
INVESTIGATED...
...for TREASON, war crimes, crimes against humanity, collusion and other high crimes and misdemeanors...
...and if convicted...
...see outline of punishments above...
????
March 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pmAngryVet is a WONDERFUL example of the toleRANT Left. I bet you would have fit right in to the Stalin regime. As usual, you’re a day late and a dollar short…. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Valiant Venus is a WONDERFUL example of the intoleRANT Right. I bet you would have fight right in to the Hitler regime. As usual, you're a day late and a dollar short.... St*pid c*nt.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:00 pmI think we can lighten up on patrick1 now.I think he may have gone off and hanged heself.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:00 pmCONservative - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Left with which you disagree….(I’m not expecting the list to be VERY long.) Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
valiant venus - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Right with which you disagree....(I'm not expecting the list to be VERY long.).
St*pid c*nt.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:01 pmValiant Venus:
Can't help yourself, 'ey? Why do you even post here?
You've been outed as a sideshow spectacle. How are the kids?
How's post military life treating your skinny 22 year old *ss.
Why do you come back for more? Both sadist and masochist?
Good job, honey... way to show planet earth who this latest
batch of young republicans really are.
Aren't you an aspiring graphic designer? Go create something...
anything, just make yourself useful. You'll feel better.
And eat a goddam samwich.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:03 pmCONservative:
I voted for LBJ and Clinton (once).
Comment by Jake
So what you're telling us is that you've voted for a Dem ONCE in the last 40 years, you come on here parroting all the right-wing talking points yet we're supposed to believe that you're an 'independent'? Pardon my skepticism...
March 14th, 2007 at 9:03 pm"CONservative - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Left with which you disagree….(I’m not expecting the list to be VERY long.)"
Comment by valiant venus
I know you are addressing CONservative, but, this is a forum, after all.
My first choice would be the abolition of slavery. My second would be child-labor laws.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmCONservative - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Left with which you disagree….(I’m not expecting the list to be VERY long.)
Comment by valiant venus
Why should he when you have NEVER provided once any proof to back up your insane statements?
All you do is post attacks and your OPINION. You never post facts.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmPoopy Pants Patrick 1: In New Mexico, another state in which recent elections have been decided by razor thin margins, U.S. Attorney David Iglesias did establish a voter fraud task force in 2004. But it lasted all of 10 weeks before closing its doors, despite evidence of irregularities by the likes of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn.
It never got anywhere because these folks never voted, dumbass. I actually live in New Mexico, and as I recall these bullshit voter registrations never made it past a single county clerk's office, nor did anyone in the Democratic Party here sanction that kind of behavior. Jesus H. Christ--here in New Mexico we still have problems with LEGALLY REGISTERED voters showing up at the polls, only to be told they are in the wrong place and sent on afternoon scavenger hunts for their polling places, much less non-existant people voting. Give it up trolls, you lose big time on this one.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmbig papa:
No, no, no, no, and yes (not necessarily in that order).
March 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmThe Marines, Army, et al. are our nation’s peacemakers - after they kick the $h*t out of the bad guys and break things. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
The state department are our nation's peacemakers - you Nazi C*nt. The military are what we fall back on when they fail! The military doesn't make peace, they make war. Political leaders make peace when they're done playing *soldier*.
You on the otherhand pretend to play *war*, because you can't cope with being born without your own p*n*s.
P.S. Jesus didn’t say †Blessed are the whiny pacifistsâ€â€¦.so I guess that leaves YOU out in the cold - - brrrrrr. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Jesus didn't say "Blessed are the whiny murderers"...so I guess that leaves YOU out in the cold - - brrrrr.
It isn’t one bit tiring rebutting the tired mantra of the Left. It’s an adventure…. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Maybe that's because the *left* is always providing new material. You're b*llsh*t is so stale, it cracks faster than you in a stiff wind! St*pid c*nt!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI voted for John F. Kennedy as well. Are you saying that no other Independents voted for him? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Then you're as old and tired as the st*pid rhetoric you post!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pmNo, no, no, no, and yes (not necessarily in that order).
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
I know Republicans that have a more *independent* voting record than you do.
You're just to much of a coward to admit you're a right wing nutto!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pmBussh Said he was irritated...
to Jeff Gannon,
And they have to wait,
For it to Heal.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pmJesus was a pacifist, Jeez.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pmWell, CONservative, you can believe whatever you'd like -- I'm registered Independent, even though I am very, VERY conservative.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:09 pmThat's right, ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus, I'm older than dirt. You got me!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThe lunatic right like to post here because it is allowed.Try getting on to one their sites and pointing out the error of their ways.Won't happen.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThe good news is about the Valient Whiner is that she is young and has lots of years to mature and grow the f*ck up.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pm“CONservative - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Left with which you disagree….(I’m not expecting the list to be VERY long.)â€
Oh Man! I thought you said Agree! Is my face ever red!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pm"The lunatic right like to post here because it is allowed.Try getting on to one their sites and pointing out the error of their ways.Won’t happen."
Comment by matthew
Dialogue! What a liberal concept!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pmCONservative - Please list the policies (and lies) of the Left with which you disagree….(I’m not expecting the list to be VERY long.)
Comment by valiant venus
It would be a lot longer than your list of policies of the Right that you disagree with! But since you want SOMETHING I don't favor of abortion (though I still wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade cause in this day and age one can't tell a woman what she can do with her body). I believe in smaller, LESS INTRUSIVE government (something these criminals obviously don't believe in), I'm against gun control (guns don't kill; people do) and I ideally don't like affirmative action (though being a minority myself I can see very clearly why we still need it in this country).
I personally feel I am more conservative than anyone here might think, but this cabal in office and their locksteppers in Congress are NOT conservatives they're fascists...BIG difference!! If solely being against the bankrupting of our country financially, morally, etc by the Bush Crime Family and their locksteppers in Congress makes me a liberal in your eyes, so be it.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:16 pmThe good news is about the Valient Whiner is that she is young and has lots of years to mature and grow the f*ck up. Comment by ForTruth — March 14, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
In my personal experience, people *that* st*pid never grow up!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:17 pmNo, no, no, no, and yes (not necessarily in that order).
Comment by Jake #206
...just like a retarded a*s inbred...
...trying to be clever...
...and you only prove that you're the damn fool you are...
I only asked you...
...THREE questions...
March 14th, 2007 at 9:22 pm"and I ideally don’t like affirmative action (though being a minority myself I can see very clearly why we still need it in this country)."
Comment by CONservative
At least 1/10th of my personal wealth is derived from slave labor and the theft of land from emancipated slaves. Supporting affirmative action is the least I could do.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:25 pmWell, right or wrong, it IS LEGAL ...?
Comment by Jake
If Bush, Gonzales and Rove thwarted a legitimate investigation and allowed criminals to get away with their crimes, there's no way that can be LEGAL. And, apparently, there is now way to penetrate the thick skulls of these trolls.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pmLEAVE KARL ROVE THE HELL ALONE!!! WE ARE AT WAR!!! LEAVE HIM THE HELL ALONE YOU FASCIST PIG LIBS!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:32 pmIt was actually more than three questions, big papa:
1) Do you believe that George W. Bush should be:
(a) IMPEACHED?
(b) TRIED?
(c) CONVICTED?
(d) INCARCERATED?
(e) IMPOVERISHED?
(f) subjected to other harsh punishment as proscribed by law?
…for (1) TREASON,
(2) corruption,
(3) war crimes,
(4) crimes against humanity or
(5) other high crimes and misdemeanors?
That alone could be 30 questions. Rinse and repeat for Dick Cheney, the Republican Party (sic), including but not limited to Alberto Gonzales and millions of registered Republicans (not to mention registered Independents like me and Joe Lieberman)?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:33 pmI think BC needs a nap.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pmKarp's disciple:
Similar to how you think there's no way it is legal for Exxob CEO, Lee Raymond, to be paid $400 Million?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThat alone could be 30 questions. Rinse and repeat for Dick Cheney, the Republican Party (sic), including but not limited to Alberto Gonzales and millions of registered Republicans (not to mention registered Independents like me and Joe Lieberman)? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
One word - grandpa - dementia. Go get it checked. You're starting sound like Joe McCarthy, while accusing others of being him. You're a fcuking fool.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:37 pmComment by Jake #224
If you wanna play THOSE games...
...your stupid a*s...
...didn't answer ALL of my questions...
...Bushballickin' TRICK!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pmJake,
I really should interject this minor disclaimer...
...I REALLY don't believe sh*t...
...nor do I take seriously...
...ANYTHING...
...that you al Crackkker Bushite TRAITORS say...
...to me...
...you're all CURSED and as good as dead...
March 14th, 2007 at 9:42 pm"I don’t think he would fit in at all to the Stalin regime, being that we’re seeing the equivalent firsthand with the BUSH regime. As usual you’re projecting and we see right through it…"
Comment by CONservative
Projecting?? You wish - If I advocated killing my political opponents, you might have a point - but as usual, comparisons seem to CONfound you. Are you the product of a public school education?
#204 - "....All you do is post attacks and your OPINION. You never post facts." Comment by wayne
In your opinion......tsk - tsk ....You must have missed the facts I presented about Carol Lam and the SD Union Tribune - you poor thing.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pmSimilar to how you think there’s no way it is legal for Exxob CEO, Lee Raymond, to be paid $400 Million? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Why, did they perjure themselves on their salaries?
One word grandpa - dementia.
You lost it decades ago, you're just embarrassing yourself now.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pmSimilar to how you think there’s no way it is legal for Exxob CEO, Lee Raymond, to be paid $400 Million?
Comment by Jake
You're going to have to quit whatever is getting you into Fantasyland, Jake. I never gave a thought to Mr. Raymond, so how did you come up with that nonsense?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pm#218 - I hate to break it to you, but you're NOT a Progressive.....
Your Roe v. Wade view is definitely squishy -"I wouldn't do it....but who an I to say what a woman should do with her body?" (If you cannot make a moral judgement for fear of being (gasp!) judgmental, please recuse yourself from jury duty. Everyday in this country, we ask people to JUDGE behaviour.) Naturally, you conveniently forget we legislate all kinds of things she must not do with her body. I'm with you on gun-control, affirmative action, and leaner government...
I disagree completely with the Bush administration pandering to Mexico. I am anti-death penalty as I fear human mistakes in that penalty imposition.
I almost expect you to take a leave of absence for therapy - they kick people off the Preogressive reservation for less......
March 14th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThe intelligent dialogue is overwhelming.Particularly that of valiantvenus.Positively brilliant.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:56 pm"At least 1/10th of my personal wealth is derived from slave labor and the theft of land from emancipated slaves. Supporting affirmative action is the least I could do." Comment by BC
Since none of my personal wealth is derived from slave labour, allow me to suggest a way in which you may further purge your guilt. PERSONALLY PAY reparations!! Pay MORE federal income tax.....You'll feel sooo much better!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:56 pmProjecting?? Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
If you get any better at Projecting, they'll have to send you on tour with Foley and Haggard.
You wish - If I advocated killing my political opponents, you might have a point - but as usual, comparisons seem to CONfound you. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
You do advocate killing your political opponents - you call libruls *traitors*, *terrorists* and *terrorist-sympathizers*. You've also stated that traitors should be killed.
So actually you *have* advocated killing your opponents - making you the Most Anorexic Projector posting today!
Are you the product of a public school education? Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
Are you a product of incest? It would explain a LOT!
In your opinion……tsk - tsk ….You must have missed the facts I presented about Carol Lam and the SD Union Tribune - you poor thing.
Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
Those weren't *facts*, those were Opinions.
Tsk - tsk, another Republican that can't tell the difference between the two! And you wonder why *everyone* calls you a st*p*d c*nt?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYou know he's such a good President i think its time he shook up the USA's and made some changes. Not because they're investigating things that'll get him in trouble. It's part of his managerial expertice in order to run an efficient ship.
I'm not buying. This president can hardly speak let alone manage is way out of a wet paper bag
When you use the Clinton argument. He looks even worse, and thats because Bush (either one) can't hold Bill's jock.
Gonzales will resign in order to save Rove once again from the chop block. Thank you too Scooter. He's so sweet
More people will start comming forward with information against the Administration.
The trolls arguments,excuses,reasons are really getting lame even for them. It's gotta be tough lying for the liars that have lied you into voting for them. Now they have to invent other lies to make the previous lies reallity. It's really sad to watch
oh wait look over there its Fox NEWS
"US attorney's promoting terrorism? Bush did the right thing?"
"Rove, Bush National Hero's?"
Laughable!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pm#218 - I hate to break it to you, but you’re NOT a Progressive…..Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
I hate to break to tyou, but you're NOT a Conservative - you're a NAZI.
Your Roe v. Wade view is definitely squishy -â€I wouldn’t do it….but who an I to say what a woman should do with her body?†(If you cannot make a moral judgement for fear of being (gasp!) judgmental, please recuse yourself from jury duty. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Ok, I Judge you to be a Fascist Hag, and enemy of all things moral and righteous. How easy was that?
By the way, pretending to be an attorney when you can't spell "judgement", kind of makes you look st*p*d - you miserable c*nt.
Everyday in this country, we ask people to JUDGE behaviour.) Naturally, you conveniently forget we legislate all kinds of things she must not do with her body. I’m with you on gun-control, affirmative action, and leaner government… Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Actually we don't ask people to JUDGE behavior - you pretend attorney. We ask them to JUDGE CONSEQUENCES - it's called TORT.
I disagree completely with the Bush administration pandering to Mexico. I am anti-death penalty as I fear human mistakes in that penalty imposition. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Yet another waffle on this stand. Should we call you valiant flip-flop? Or the queen of *squishy-morals*! You just said people should and *must* judge - but now you're too *squishy* to judge the death penalty? Cowardly hypocritical c*nt!
I almost expect you to take a leave of absence for therapy - they kick people off the Preogressive reservation for less…… Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
A leave of absence for therapy is what you should take! You disturbed st*pid c*nt!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pmValiant,am i to assume you believe that in a court of law we are asked to judge behaviour?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pmValiant,am i to assume you believe that in a court of law we are asked to judge behaviour? Comment by matthew — March 14, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Can you believe that? She's a 23 year old poli-sci major, *pretending* to be an attorney! She's one st*pid crackpot!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:05 pmEvery now and then, I think I hear a can of whoop ass bein opened up, but it seems to be all talk and no action. I hope this is different.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:06 pmI still like how we can be at war, without decalaring war. Haven't since WWII. What's the use of it anymore?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pmAs we speak, the MSM is saying "Hey remember 9/11. We just got one of the mario brothers to confess to doing it too".
And the trolls are full-throttle tonight.
Hmmm....
March 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pmVVGFU ....layin the SMACKDOWN on they're RUDY POO CANDY ASSES!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:11 pmNeo Cons, I have two words for ya . . . CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT! Gotta love it!!
Ooo, ooo, ooo, what a little subpoena power can do, ooo, ooo!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:20 pm#245 you scumbag lib. You flaunt the subpoena power like a kid. All the while you undermine the troops and the mission in Iraq.
And you know what? Honestly, f#$k the Senate. I'm reminded of the scene in Revenge of the Sith where Mace Windu says, "In the name of the Senate, you are under arrest" and Palpatine says, "I AM the Senate."
Well guess what? Karl Rove IS THE SENATE. You can't touch this man. He is a terror warrior and a god among you puny liberal insects.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:30 pmOversight is one thing -- violating Executive Privilege and Separation of Powers for a decision that is completely within the purview of the President / Attorney General is another.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:31 pmHey 246. I'll match DD 214s with you any day, you chickenhawk piece of shit. Do you even know what a 214 is?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:42 pmSorry Jake, but firing an aggressive AUSA because he/she is pursuing corruption charges against the likes of Duke Cunningham is called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:46 pmEXACTLY AS I HAD O-PINED IN A PREVIOUS POST--WHEN THE SUBPOENAS ARE ISSUED, NON-COMPLIANCE IS NOT AN OPTION NOR AN ALTERNATIVE, YOU HEAR THAT Fielding, YOU FAT F*CK SHYSTER AND THE SAME GOES FER YA, Miss Piggy FAT F*CK Rove and OTHER SCUM OF Bushland Uber Allies!!!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:47 pmSince none of my personal wealth is derived from slave labour, allow me to suggest a way in which you may further purge your guilt. PERSONALLY PAY reparations!! Pay MORE federal income tax…..You’ll feel sooo much better!
Comment by valiant venus
Bullshit.
It's not guilt. It's a debt of gratitude..... my gratitude to the black community for their patience, for not doing what I would have done in their shoes. Open, armed rebelion!
My ancestors are the guilty ones, not me and not you. But I *did* inherit their wealth. And so did you. And so did this country benefit from slave labor. Material wealth transcends generations. You know: "You can't take it with you." If you don't believe that, then don't worry about the present administration racking up $24,000-$36,000 (estimates vary) each in debt for your children the moment they are born. What you do now *will* affect future generations. Shall they curse or praise you?
You are in debt, too, if your parents' wealth was responsible for your good and comfortable life. Affirmative action is the least all can do.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:51 pmWhy are people so fast to be apologists for this administration?
It's YOUR rights they are trampling over as well as mine, you fools.
You almost wouldn't mind, (almost), if these people were doing all these behind the back things for a beneficial purpose. But they have proven time and again it is nothing but a power grab and they have proven themselves to be total incompetents in everything they have done. It's scary really to listen to Bush speak and realize this guy is the most powerful man in the world and we (well not me) elected him not once, but twice. He seems like he's a guy who is in way over his head and is making it up as he goes along. If he were not president, you might think he was a bit of a simpleton. I am not saying he IS a simpleton, I am sure he is not, but it does come to mind. Reminds me of that old Richard Dreyfuss movie where he looks like a president of some South American country and they switch places and everyone hangs on his every word, not cause he is saying anything profound, but because of his position.
I am truly amazed at how little 35 % of this country know about how and why this country was founded and the fragile balance that the founding fathers set up to ensure that the country would endure. At the rate this "administration" has run ramshod through the previously thought to be constitutionally protected laws of this country, America as we knew it will pale in comparison to the lenghth of time Rome had in the sun.
The latest revelation, and by latest, i would have to check my watch rather than my calendar, is the "cute" way they write things into the "Patriot Act" with a later abuse fully in mind.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pmDAMN IT!!! Yes, yes, this case is important, but there is a much BIGGER case sitting in the wings, that's easier to prove and will blow the whole administration to HEll! It has everything, high treason, espionage, sale of state secrets, drugs, suitcases full of cash, government knowledge of 9/11 before and after the fact by the highest place politicians ... all documented and verified!
Call Waxman (202) 225-3976 and demand public hearings on the Sibel Edmonds Case!!!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_070313_what_if_the_fbi_hire.htm
March 14th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThere's a typical conservative (Republican) dodge above, to the effect that, as long as people play by "the rules," the WHY of the situation doesn't matter. Guess, what... WHY DOES MATTER! It's not about whether or not Bush & Co. played by the rules, it's about WHY they did what they did! Get it? Got it. Good. Geeshhh...
March 14th, 2007 at 10:59 pm"Oversight is one thing — violating Executive Privilege and Separation of Powers for a decision that is completely within the purview of the President / Attorney General is another."
Comment by Jake
How many times do we have to say it! Jeebus! "Advice and Consent of Congress"! What part of that do you not understand! Appointees are Constitutionally Mandated to be veted by the Senate!
You're right, Matthew, I do need a nap!
March 14th, 2007 at 11:02 pm#239 - "Valiant,am i to assume you believe that in a court of law we are asked to judge behaviour?" Comment by matthew
In a court of law, we are asked to judge actions that may constitute criminal conduct, as the laws of various jurisdictions dictate. Two elements are necessary for prosecution. Elements that must be proven are (1) that a crime actually occurred (actus reus), (2) that the accused intended the crime to happen (mens rea), (3) a timely relationship between the first two factors.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:08 pm"Karl Rove IS the Senate".
NO, Karl Rove is a pig-boy TRAITOR assistant to the
TRAITOR Bush.
BOTH will serve time with big BUBBA for this.
Send TRAITORS Bush and Rove BUTT-LUBE.
They're gonna NEED it...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
March 14th, 2007 at 11:09 pm"Sorry Jake, but firing an aggressive AUSA because he/she is pursuing corruption charges against the likes of Duke Cunningham is called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE." Comment by Krashkopf
Krash - Lam was rightly praised for her prosecution of facts un-covered by the San Diego Union Tribune - they deserve the kudos! She was quite lax otherwise. But don't confuse yourself with the facts.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:12 pm#251 - "It’s not guilt. It’s a debt of gratitude….. my gratitude to the black community for their patience, for not doing what I would have done in their shoes. Open, armed rebelion!
My ancestors are the guilty ones, not me and not you. But I *did* inherit their wealth. And so did you." Comment by BC
I love Latte' Liberals!! Your angst is SO predictable! Obviously, you don't feel much of a debt of gratitude to the beleaguered black community. If you did, you would divest yourself of your families ill-gotten gains.
As for my family, my dad's folks came to the US from Ireland right before the Civil War and my great, great grandfather, who was 26 year old Union soldier at the time, was killed at Antietem. He left a widow with two little girls. My mother's family is Jewish and were lucky enough to get out of Austria right after that country was occupied. So, as you can see, my family paid their "debt". You pay the debt too, with lip-service.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmKrash - Lam was rightly praised for her prosecution of facts un-covered by the San Diego Union Tribune - they deserve the kudos! She was quite lax otherwise. But don’t confuse yourself with the facts.
Comment by valiant venus #258
virulent venereal (disease),
Please REFUTE THIS post offered by lestatdelc...
...which I OFFER in rebuttal to YOUR post to Krash...
...in regards to Carol Lam's (being as you say "lax"):
In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel’s office to call him regarding “the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam,†who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam’s corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy “Duke†Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.
The timing is well worth noting. But the Lewis investigation wasn’t the only trouble Lam was making. Look what else was happening in the couple weeks before May 11th …
April 28th, 2006 — Cunningham-Wilkes-Foggo “Hookergate†scandal breaks open. Probe grows out of San Diego US Attorney’s Office’s Cunningham investigation. CIA Director Goss denies involvement.
April 29th, 2006 — Washington Post reports that Hookergate’s Shirlington Limo Service had $21 million contract with Department of Homeland Security.
May 2nd, 2006 — Kyle “Dusty†Foggo confirms attendence at Wilkes/Cunningham Hookergate parties.
May 4th, 2006 — Watergate Hotel subpoenaed in San Diego/Cunningham/Hookergate probe.
May 5th, 2006 — WSJ reports that Kyle “Dusty†Foggo, who Goss installed as #3 at CIA, is under criminal investigation as part of the San Diego/Cunningham investigation.
May 5th, 2006 — Porter Goss resigns as Director of Central Intelligence.
May 6th, 2006 — WaPo reports on questionable DHS contract awarded to Shirlington Limo, the ‘hookergate’ Limo service under scrutiny as part of the San Diego/Cunningham investigation. Similar report in the Times.
May 7th, 2006 — House Committee to investigate DHS contract with Hookergate’s Shirlington Limo.
May 8th, 2006 — Lyle “Dusty†Foggo resigns at CIA.
May 11th, 2006 — LA Times reports that Cunningham investigation has expanded into the dealings of Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), House Appropriations Committee Chairman.
Sampson writes email about Lam being a “real problemâ€.
May 12th, 2006 — Federal agents working on the San Diego/Cunningham investigation execute search warrants on the home and CIA office of Kyle “Dusty†Foggo.
Another thing to consider is, as cmc over at TPMmuckraker noted in the comments:
I think Carol Lam’s big sin was that she was independent. She was always committed to fight white collar crime but Rove probably figured that he would point her in a direction and she would follow. Didn’t work with her.
I’m guessing that Karl Rove’s big push for the 2006 election was going to be anti-immigrant. It was the “new gayâ€. It rolled out early in San Diego- way before the San Diego Union Tribune rolled out Duke’s story. All of hate radio was on message. But Carol Lam wasn’t doing her part. She actually prosecuted the owners of a fence company that prosecuted illegal immigrants. How was that going to make people freightened about immigrants “taking over our countryâ€? Plus she may have riled the GOP base.
I think the wider story may have been that Karl Rove used the Justice Dept for political purposes- not only to target Dems and give a pass to Republicans but also to choreograph issues that he wanted to be part of an election campaign.
Everything is about MESSAGE with these folks. Nothing is about substance, truth or justice.
Comment by lestatdelc — March 14, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
March 14th, 2007 at 11:24 pmLam was playing "connect the dots" with Wilkes, Foggo etc. WOW!! Citing dates from the investigation - which proves nothing of your argument - Not surprising, such an investigation takes more than a day. The Union Tribune looked into the sale of the Del Mar house and the purchase of the Rancho Santa Fe home. Something didn't smell right in the transaction. Living in San Diego, they have a pretty good grasp on comparable real estate pricing. The something that didn't smell right in the investigation? Cash - - to the tune of $700,000.-.
Anti- illegal alien (a true misnomer is to say "anti-immigrant") has been a problem in the Southwest and with our proximity to the border, San Diego County since WELL before anyone thought of the 2006 elections. We've had hospitals close due to services rendered to illegals which will never be paid for and schools that have taken a sharp turn south. Throwing out the red-herring on illegal aliens is typical of the tripe you call "argument".
Thank you for playing - please try again.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:39 pmIn a court of law, we are asked to judge actions that may constitute criminal conduct, as the laws of various jurisdictions dictate. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Actually you're asked to judge *Criminal Acts*, not criminal *behavior*. You aren't judging *behavior* you st*pid c*nt - you're judging whether *harm* was done.
Two elements are necessary for prosecution. Elements that must be proven are (1) that a crime actually occurred (actus reus), (2) that the accused intended the crime to happen (mens rea), (3) a timely relationship between the first two factors. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Yeah the issue is *crime*, that's not *behaviour* that's *outcome*.
Stop pretending to be an attorney, you st*pid c*nt - you don't have the *chops* for it.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pmKrash - Lam was rightly praised for her prosecution of facts un-covered by the San Diego Union Tribune - they deserve the kudos! She was quite lax otherwise. But don’t confuse yourself with the facts. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Ah, the ever present *smear* of the resident st*pid c*nt. By *lax*, do you mean your copy and paste of the definition of a *crime*?
Where's your *proof* - oh wait, a *smear* artist like you only paints with broad brushes! You don't need evidence to *convict* someone of a crime! St*pid Nazi b*tch!
http://www.aopc.org/Index/Aopc/Glossary/e.htm
What's the matter dum bass - too st*pid to describe the nature of a *crime* without a copy and paste resource?
st*pid c*nt.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:53 pmI love Latte’ Liberals!! Your angst is SO predictable! Obviously, you don’t feel much of a debt of gratitude to the beleaguered black community. If you did, you would divest yourself of your families ill-gotten gains. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Ah, the *all-or-nothing* syndrome! You're a st*pid c*nt you hate filled vile piece of sh*t.
As for my family, my dad’s folks came to the US from Ireland right before the Civil War and my great, great grandfather, who was 26 year old Union soldier at the time, was killed at Antietem. He left a widow with two little girls. My mother’s family is Jewish and were lucky enough to get out of Austria right after that country was occupied. So, as you can see, my family paid their “debtâ€. You pay the debt too, with lip-service. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Your entire fabricated family history, and persona is complete b*llsh*t, just like your opinions.
Your family paid debts? Please! That's complete b*llsh*t.
You've paid no personal debt, and your slander, and hatred towards former slaves that were probably beaten by some of your own ancestors shows what a st*pid heartless self centered b*tch you are. Then again, any visit to that callous and self absorbed myspace page of yours will reinforce that you're nothing more but a disturbed, hate filled bag of sh*t.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:57 pmFat papa - Ask yourself the question lastatdelc never raises - "What led Carol Lam to investigate Cunningham?" Did she wake up one morning, pore over the real estate public records and say "Ahha!"
No, the fine investigative reporting at the San Diego Union Tribune launched, and continued, the investigation - they gave Lam the ammo to put away our Congresscrook.
Toooodles.....it's been fun!
March 14th, 2007 at 11:58 pmLam was playing “connect the dots†with Wilkes, Foggo etc. WOW!! Citing dates from the investigation - which proves nothing of your argument - Not surprising, such an investigation takes more than a day. The Union Tribune looked into the sale of the Del Mar house and the purchase of the Rancho Santa Fe home. Something didn’t smell right in the transaction. Living in San Diego, they have a pretty good grasp on comparable real estate pricing. The something that didn’t smell right in the investigation? Cash - - to the tune of $700,000.-. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
So someone tips off an investigator to a possible crime, and all you can do is slander the investigator that did such a good job a powerful congressman was taken down?
You're a st*pid c*nt.
Anti- illegal alien (a true misnomer is to say “anti-immigrantâ€) has been a problem in the Southwest and with our proximity to the border, San Diego County since WELL before anyone thought of the 2006 elections. We’ve had hospitals close due to services rendered to illegals which will never be paid for and schools that have taken a sharp turn south. Throwing out the red-herring on illegal aliens is typical of the tripe you call “argumentâ€. Thank you for playing - please try again. Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
More Xenophobic b*llsh*t from the Nazi h*llb*tch.
Please do give us a link (not the broken b*llsh*t ones you are SO FAMOUS FOR) that shows a single hospital that closed, because of Illegals. Remember, before you choose to play this game - little st*pid g*rl - that has to be THE CAUSE - which is your claim. No mismanagement, or other *causes*.
But we all know how this is going to end. You won't provide a link. We'll make fun of you. And tomorrow you'll make another st*pid claim that won't pan out.
This is like Ann Coulter's publishing career. One *failed* claim after another. And endless barrage of b*llsh*t and lies.
But when you're a psycho b*tch like you are - WHO NEEDS FACTS?
Oh and your mother doesn't really love you - she knows your a psycho b*tch - and that's why you have an eating disorder! St*pid c*nt!
March 15th, 2007 at 12:03 amFat papa - Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Anorexic c*nt. Crawl back in Ann Coulter's *ss - the only place a piece of sh*t like you deserves to be.
Ask yourself the question lastatdelc never raises - “What led Carol Lam to investigate Cunningham?†Did she wake up one morning, pore over the real estate public records and say “Ahha!†Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
So prosecutors are now supposed to be *detectives* that ferret out crimes like a bad ABC drama? You really don't know the roll of any official in government do you? You're one st*pid little c*nt!
No, the fine investigative reporting at the San Diego Union Tribune launched, and continued, the investigation - they gave Lam the ammo to put away our Congresscrook. Toooodles…..it’s been fun! Comment by valiant venus — March 14, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Yeah, because we all KNOW that the Prosecutor's primary duty is to go digging for crimes, before any tips, investigations or criminal activity has been reported!
Wow, just when I didn't think your comments could get any more st*pid - you outdid yourself, you ignorant little c*nt!
March 15th, 2007 at 12:05 amAsk yourself the question lastatdelc never raises - “What led Carol Lam to investigate Cunningham?
Comment by valiant venus #265
virulent venereal (disease)
...ask YOURSELF...
...why...
...when Lam was so successful in prosecuting Cunningham...
... (regardless of WHO started the investigation)...
...the Gonzales DOJ...(hahha- excuse me I can't help but laugh)
...would stop her when she's reeling in even BIGGER fish...
...like Jerry Lewis...
...and crooks in the military industrial complex?
March 15th, 2007 at 12:07 amto the stupid F**K who qouated this little gem...
...Patrick 1..its not that Bush tried and succeeded in firing the U.S. Attorneys..its not even the fact that he was replaing them with right-wing ass-kissers..its unconstitutional because they were trying to do it with out Congressional approval, thats what makes it illegal..you dumb F**K..,via the Patriot Act,..tell me how firing U.S. Attorneys is protecting us from foriegn terrorist attacks..? Does it not say with the advice and consent of Congress...?
March 15th, 2007 at 2:11 amDear DemLeaders - PLEASE keep up investigating everything about every Republican!! That way, whiny pacifists who elected you might not notice you aren’t doing a thing to end the war! (That IS the platform you were elected on, right?)
Comment by valiant venus aka mighty hypocrite
As if the Repugs in Congress didn't try to subpoena everyhing they could about Clinton, including his cat and Christmas card list, and while their own leader Gingrich was hypocritically dallying with a woman on his payroll!
March 15th, 2007 at 2:11 amAs Zooey already pointed out, the Dems can do more than one thing at a time, unlike your beloved preznit who can't eat a pretzel while watching TV.
Also, part of the Dem platform was to put a halt to the seemingly endless corruption of this administration: no bid contracts, cronyism, gay hooker getting into WH press conferences and overnight stays, etc. I thought your preznit's platform was to return "intergrity to the WH." Didn't do very well in that regard, did he?
Finally, say Hello to the dead kid and Mr. Aphrodite for me!
Herman B. Hayes, are you here in disguise? If so, I'd like to ask why you haven't udated it in so long. I really, really miss it.
March 15th, 2007 at 2:42 amUpdated your web site, that is.
March 15th, 2007 at 2:43 am[...] “Frankly, I don’t care whether [White House Counsel Fred Fielding] says he’s going to allow people or not. We’ll subpoena the people we want,†Leahy said. “If they want to defy the subpoena, then you get into a stonewall situation I suspect they don’t want to have.†Asked whether he’ll subpoena Rove, Leahy answered, “Yes. He can appear voluntarily if he wants. If he doesn’t, I will subpoena him.†[...]
March 15th, 2007 at 6:52 amTo Patrick1:
March 15th, 2007 at 7:34 amHooray, you repubs have been nailed again for your corruption and lying! Bothers you a whole bunch, doesn't it. Finally the American people woke up to your neocon thieving ways.
Now to the 8 sacking of the U.S. Attorneys, uh, escuse me, where were you when the election of 2000 was stolen from Gore by the Supremes. I would have liked to see them sacked. And where were you when the Ohio vote stealing was done?
Go cry in your beer, you loser, and take the rest of the stupid repub lemmings with you!
Henry
To Patrick1:
Hooray, you repubs have been nailed again for your corruption and lying! Bothers you a whole bunch, doesn’t it. Finally the American people woke up to your neocon thieving ways.
Now to the 8 sacking of the U.S. Attorneys, uh, escuse me, where were you when the election of 2000 was stolen from Gore by the Supremes. I would have liked to see them sacked. And where were you when the Ohio vote stealing was done?
Go cry in your beer, you loser, and take the rest of the stupid repub lemmings with you!
Henry
Comment by Henry
Where were you when Clinton fired all 93 US attorneys? I'm growing weary of the overall lack of perspective from all of you left wing, earth worshiping, liberal zealots.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:12 amComment by 20wordsorless #274
...so DO something about it...
...do the world a favor and...
...eat your gun...
March 15th, 2007 at 10:19 am…so DO something about it…
…do the world a favor and…
…eat your gun…
Comment by big papa
Well that's refreshing---an admission! At least you admit there's a lack of perspective amongst your ilk. Now what to do about your seething rage...
March 15th, 2007 at 10:28 amIf the administration has nothing to hide, they'll send Rove, Gonzalez, etal up to the hill without hesitation. On the other hand, if they are trying to hide something - which is where the smart money is going - they will resist, claiming "executive privilege" or its idiotic equivalent.
As for Carol Lam, word is that she was going after Rep. Jerry Lewis (and probably Ken Calvert, the dim bulb in the district right next door). I live in the area and I can say without tempering equivocation that both of these guys are dirtbag gangsters of the highest order. If there were any justice in the world, they'd already be in jail.
Again, if members of the administration have nothing to hide, then they won't duck subpoenas. In fact, they'll avoid the subpoenas by appearing voluntarily. I won't hold my breath.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:28 am[...] And who is hurt here? [...]
March 15th, 2007 at 11:00 amGood morning 20words, no overtime allowed, unless you get authorization from the boss.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:10 amFatDad - Your question re: Jerry Lewis (R-Redlands).
"…like Jerry Lewis…
…and crooks in the military industrial complex?"
I think the investigation into Lewis should continue. If he is guilty of crimes, convict him and let him suffer the consequences. If he changed his mind (I think progressives call that "evolving") and can demonstrate additional info had to do with recommendations, then get over it. BUT, I hate corrupt politicians whether they are Repubs, Dems or Indys. Bet you feel the same way, too - about corrupt Dems. (I doubt it!) Corrupt politician? Sounds like an oxymoron to me....
March 15th, 2007 at 11:17 amWhat the repugnant ones always overlook is the fact that all of the 8 USAs were appointed by Shrub. The reason that there is an uproar over this, isn't that the Resident fired them and replaced them, but that the AG fired them and replaced them due to political reasons. This was also done without Senate over site.
Do we really want a justice department that only investigates what/who the current admin wants? If so welcome to the richest banana republic on the planet.
Off topic rant:
And to all of you conservatives that seem to hate liberals. With out liberals you never would have any of the following.
Over time pay
holiday pay
vacation pay
sick pay
employer health insurance
40 hour work week
minimum work age 16yrs.
Oh yeah, most people are loosing those because of the conservative movement. High paying jobs on a High School diploma or a 2yr college degree are a thing of the past.
Go to your local library and research how people were treated by corporations prior to the liberal movement of the late 19th and early 20Th century. You don't honestly think that companies would have ever agreed to giving workers any of that without the liberal movement.
Guess the conservatives just don't like anything that has made the middle class as powerful as it was in the last century. Remember after WWII when a man could provide for his entire family with only one job. The conservatives have been chipping away at all the gains made to where now most families require both parents to be working and if they have their way junior will have to join the workforce to help make ends meet.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:49 am[...] waiting around to see what Bushco decides. As Senate Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-VT) put it: “Frankly, I don’t care whether Fielding says he’s going to allow people or not. We’ll [...]
March 15th, 2007 at 11:50 am... Guess the conservatives just don’t like anything that has made the middle class as powerful as it was in the last century. Remember after WWII when a man could provide for his entire family with only one job. The conservatives have been chipping away at all the gains made to where now most families require both parents to be working and if they have their way junior will have to join the workforce to help make ends meet.
Comment by proud2bLiberal
If the liberals had their way, it would take both parents each working two jobs just to pay their taxes.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmQuite frankly I've found this Dept. of Justice firings business very complicated, and a bit boring. Thankfully, Jon Stewart explains it to me in this video:
March 15th, 2007 at 12:48 pmhttp://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2007/03/jon-stewart-explains-department-of.html
20 WOL - actual, documented history proves otherwise, as does the experience of most American families from the 40's thru the 70's, but thanks for dumping a load of patently false bullsh*t anyway.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:51 pmProud2b -- don't forget that when those guys came home from WWII, they also got "mustering out pay" and there was a GI Bill that helped with $$$ for education and buying a home. As for taxes, there was a deduction from property taxes only for being a veteran. That deduction continued indefinitely if the local or state govt approved.
And, lest we forget, in the depth of the Depression, the Social Security program was instituted so that noone would fall into poverty. Doesn't do that today, does it?
20 Words -- taxes are the entry fees and dues we all pay to live in a democracy. If you want the government to do things for you and for all of us, there's a price. As for jobs proliferation, thank shrub and co for that. That's why they say the economy is strong, but lots of people are un- or under-employed. I hope the liberals do get their/our way. It will be an improvement for the middle class.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:56 pmPati-boy,
March 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pmPerhaps the truth is to fast for us on the left,But you repukes simply ingnore it
Just to correct Patrick1's moonbats erroneous "facts":
John Mckay is not a Democrat. He is a Republican as are all eight of the dismissed US Attorneys. McKay was appointed to his position by GHW Bush. The Secretary of State who was responsible for running and interpreting the results of the election in the State of Washington determined no instances of voter fraud. He is Ralph Monroe, a Republican. John McKay's performance evaluations have consistently been excellent.
Contact between a member of congress and a US Attorney regarding an ongoing case is prohibited. This is at the heart of the New Mexico case.
Attempting to influence the outcome of an ongoing investigation thru politcal means is illegal.
Obstruction of Justice is illegal.
Lying to congress is illegal.
Patrick, ignorant people will often make stupid assertions, that does not make them "right".
March 15th, 2007 at 1:31 pm#280 - Part of the reason high school diplomas do not generally merit high paying jobs is that too many people attend college, making a high school diploma nothing special. I think it is great more people are having the opportunity to go to college, but the law of supply and demand is at work here. Socialists and Labor Unions did a great job reforming worker abuses. With Labour Law so prominent today, most unions are only good for lightening the wallets of their membership to make work for people who can not or will not get real jobs.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pmLying to congress is illegal. Clinton?
March 15th, 2007 at 5:00 pmLying to congress is illegal. Clinton?
Comment by Flaco —
Flakehead,
March 15th, 2007 at 5:35 pmClinton went through an impeachment process for lying about a consensual blow job. I think even you know that much. Are you ever going to get over it and wake up to some transgressions going on in the present tense?
Oh i see certain things are ok to lie about.
U r not raising kids? Is it OK if your husband lies about having an affair?
Cool with u?
A lie is a lie and it does not matter what the subject is.
Bubba should have just told the truth, yea I got a blowjob.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:58 pmLora - Please stop confiming for me what an elitist you are. The "lie" about a consentual blow job was in regard to the establishment of "pattern of behaviour" in a sexual harrassment lawsuit. Dems had little sympathy for Paul Jones. So please educate yourself on the sexual harrassment suit (that DEMS championed) before you make yourself look any more ignorant.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIt is about time this administration is being called to answer for its deeds and misdeeds. And I do pity the people who have gone along with this administrations ire of trying to get away with as much as possible and propagandize the atmosphere so disturbing that the American people do not know what is true and what is false. The chaos is disturbing but as long as the right gets its way...the constitution and the preamble are at risk to the controlling bodies with those unable to voice their opinion lost beneath the surface of total control ...
March 15th, 2007 at 6:27 pmIt isn’t that Clinton had sex ‘its that he lied about it under oath .
March 15th, 2007 at 6:31 pm[...] Leahy is looking for Karl. Watch Now: CNN - Rove on defense [2:56m]: Play Now | Play in Popup | [...]
March 15th, 2007 at 8:38 pmLora - Please stop confiming for me what an elitist you are. The “lie†about a consentual(SIC) blow job was in regard to the establishment of “pattern of behaviour†in a sexual harrassment lawsuit.
Blather by Unvaliant Venus aka Mighty Hypocrite
Oh, but it's not elitist to put down public education regularly in your posts, is it? Or to boast about your (fictional) law firm and hired gardeners, etc? And weren't some of those lawsuits thrown out as groundless? I see you're still having trouble spelling words that are common in the legal profession you "un-elististly" pretend to practice.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:18 pmOh i see certain things are ok to lie about.
U r not raising kids? Is it OK if your husband lies about having an affair?
Cool with u?
A lie is a lie and it does not matter what the subject is.
Bubba should have just told the truth, yea I got a blowjob.
Comment by Flaco — March 15, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
#
It isn’t that Clinton had sex ‘its that he lied about it under oath .
Comment by Flaco — March 15, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Like most adults*, I think committing adultery is a personal matter to be dealt with by the couple in question. (*Polls at the time showed most Americans didn't think Clinton deserved to be impeached.)
March 15th, 2007 at 9:30 pmYes, Flakehead, we all know he lied; you're repeating it over and over won't change anything. Moreover, as I pointed out already in #288, he was impeached by the House for it, wasn't he? Too bad some of those like Gingrich , Hyde, and Livingstone didn't have to be questioned under oath about their own adulterous affairs.
And, finally, Flakehead, get over it. Clinton hasn't been president for over 6 years, and he is not the topic of this thread. If you want to defend possible corruption by the GOP (Grand Old Perverts), try to do it without bringing up a lame argument about Clinton's blowjob every time.
20words: "If the liberals had their way, it would take both parents each working two jobs just to pay their taxes."
That's already the way it IS thanks to the neo-cons. Sheesh, what sort of la-la land do you live in?
March 15th, 2007 at 10:05 pmRe #294
March 15th, 2007 at 10:15 pmI should have written "your repeating it." I also should have written "those pressing for Clintom's impeachment like Gingrich,...." but I think most readers, except some of the trolls perhaps, got my meaning without this omission.
Clinton was impeached by Repubs in the House...and acquitted in the Senate.Thus...not guilty. Don't you believe in the rule of law??
March 15th, 2007 at 10:31 pmAll of the US attorneys resign and are replaced at the beginning of all presidents' new terms. Clinton did it...not a problem and it was accepted. Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.. both changed all US attorneys at the beginning of their terms. No problem. This is totally different. They picked 8 US attorneys...all Republicans, all with good job ratings., and all picked initially by Bush, and canned their ASSES because of political revenge.They then smeared them, then lied under oath to congress....not about BJs either.It is a disgrace, and even moreso because of the rightwingnuts here that will mNEVER see that these ideologues in the WhiteHouse are not Republicans..they are radical extremists, and criminals. They should all be prosecuted.Impeach Cheney and Bush and fire Gonzalez and Rice.
I believe the problem is not just the ability of firing of US Attorneys. It is the provision that was slipped into the Patriot Act that would allow the replacing of the attorneys without the need to have Senate hearings for the appointees. This smells like retribution and stacking the legal system to protect themselves from future prosecution. Just like they stacked the supreme court to be more CORPRATE FRIENDLY to continue the protection of the likes of Haliburton and war profiteers.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pmSuch low standards from Lora...
Lora u payed for Preznit Bubba to be a playboy.
The WhiteHouse was not Bubba's Playboy Mansion.
I understand he was "doing the peoples work" when he was doin' Monica.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:18 amI know it was consentual and ...on and on
Hey Presidents get horny too!
#297 Well stated, Marty.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:24 amThe one point in which I take some issue with you is " the rightwingnuts here that will NEVER see that these ideologues in the WhiteHouse are not Republicans..they are radical extremists, and criminals." In my opinion, the rightwing trolls here are not true Republicans, either (in the traditional sense like Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt or even my late stepfather) but radical extremists like the criminals they are defending.
That's why they keep on posting their endless blather and lies here.
Some body is blathering on about Clinton and his blowjob and lying about it!!!!! Get real!!!! I don't know of anyone dying over his blowjob!!! I do know of thousands of people who are now dead because of this administrations lies!!! Which is worse-a blowjob or a manufactured lie for greed which has murdered many US soldiers, civilians as well as Iraqis. And these people who are staunch supporters of Bush and his crime family are Christians!!!!!!!!! Get real!!!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 9:24 am[...] As the Post reported yesterday, “Gonzales has declined to address the apparent contradictions in detail, saying only that he was unaware of the specifics of the plan that Sampson was orchestrating.” Asked on Wednesday if he thinks any Bush officials have committed perjury, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) said, “We’ll find that out.” [...]
March 16th, 2007 at 12:27 pmHave seen several writers lately who make a good case that the Bush cabal is a crime organization that started under Nixon, was responsible for Iran-Contra, and has never gone out of business since. Really important for the survival of democracy in this country, and for the Constitution to be anything but a joke, for all the criminal activities of the Bushies to be fully investigated and prosecuted.
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March 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 amDear Senator Leahy,
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 amPlease continue your wonderful work, I hope that you can unite the Democrats to subpoena Karl Rove(in particular), get him under oath and make him tell the truth about EVERYTHING! I also wouldn't mind one bit if you went after Cheney. This administration reminds me so much of the Nixon administration and Watergate, but this one is worse, war has been declared,and our young people are dying for who knows what! Please don't back down. We are who value truth are supporting you.
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March 26th, 2007 at 2:40 pm