Pentagon cites Iraq ‘civil war’ for first time.
By on Mar 14th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Pentagon cites Iraq ‘civil war’ for first time.
“The U.S. military for the first time Wednesday said in a new report that some of the violence in Iraq can be described as a civil war. In its bleakest assessment of the war to date, a quarterly Pentagon report said that last October through December was the most violent three-month period since 2003. … ‘Some elements of the situation in Iraq are properly descriptive of a ‘civil war,’ including the hardening of ethno-sectarian identities and mobilization, the changing character of the violence and population displacements,’” the report says.
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Traitors! Karl Rove said it is just “secatarian violence” and who are we mere humans to question the opinions of King Georges’ exhalted Brave Sir Turdblossom!
-GSD
March 14th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI would say it was a very UNcivil war
March 14th, 2007 at 7:41 pmWhy does the Pentagon hate our freedoms, troops, and country so much?
March 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pmIt’s a Civil War, STUPID!!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:48 pmThat’s fine with me — shows how much improvement there has been so far in the first quarter of 2007, since the “surge” of course - go Bush!
March 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pmI am starting to get, for the first time, a feeling that the Chimpy house of cards is starting to collapse. We may see some resignations soon.
I am betting on Friday afternoon, News Dump time. That’s when the Repukes kick all their losers to the curb.
March 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pmDAMN! These lying, TREASONOUS mofos…
…they’ve known this all along…
March 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pmDontcha love that they carefully qualify their statement with “some of the violence can be described as…..” is that like being a little bit pregnant?
This qualifier gives the 25% still living in the wingnut bubble something to hang their argument on.
wingnut: “they clearly said that it was only some of the country was in a civil war…I would hardly call that a disaster. And besides, this “surge” is working”…
>Pulling hair from head>
March 14th, 2007 at 7:59 pmThat’s fine with me — shows how much improvement there has been so far in the first quarter of 2007, since the “surge†of course - go Bush!
Comment by Jake
Huh? The only ‘improvement’ has been in the exposure of this ‘culture of corruption’ of the Republo-fascists.
All day today, from Joke to Whaco, Patty to Roger the Accountability Dodger, we are being hectored about good and bad by an army of apologists for the most morally corrupt, ethically bankrupt, criminally culpable cohorts in American history.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#5
March 14th, 2007 at 8:03 pmIf you would please explain that statement and also please tell why you seem to be gloating. It seems to me that our soldiers died for nothing. We evicted and killed the dictator a while ago, and that was the purpose, right, for going there….war on terror, oh,no wait, WMD’s… If you disagree, please explain why.
LOL! Thats what the NIE said. Some of Iraq could be considered a civil war.
Jay’s right, you can’t have “some” civil war…it’s like being a little bit pregnant.
It’s a Civil War, you stupid Chimp!!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:03 pmCivil war is an oxymoron.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pmCONservative:
Just wait for the next quarterly report ; )
Str8edge:
I’m not saying that the war in Iraq — or any tragic loss of our troops or innocent human life — is “fine with me”. I was responding to TP gloating that this is FINALLY the first time the Pentagon has used the words “CIVIL WAR”. See the difference?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI’m not saying that the war in Iraq — or any tragic loss of our troops or innocent human life — is “fine with meâ€. I was responding to TP gloating that this is FINALLY the first time the Pentagon has used the words “CIVIL WARâ€. See the difference? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
So how again are we supposed to win a *civil-war* of another country, dum bass?
See, that’s why we all make fun of the Nationalist Rhetoric of you *ssh*les. What you say is meaningless sh*t - just like what fills your skull!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pmComment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
I don’t get the point. Can you explain please?
Thanks
Dave
March 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pmBefore the “surge”, it’s just “secatarian violenceâ€.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pmThe surge “works”, it become a civil war.
That’s fine with me — shows how much improvement there has been so far in the first quarter of 2007, since the “surge†of course - go Bush! Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Ah, another st*pid c*nt, spouting off. What part about the *bleakest-assessment* again says *improvement* to you? Were you always a fcuking idiot - or have you suffered a recent trauma to the head?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:19 pmThat’s fine with me — shows how much improvement there has been so far in the first quarter of 2007, since the “surge†of course - go Bush!
Comment by Jake
You are a sick f*ck.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pmAlas.
Go Bush? Not go America? At this point, with his administration in tatters, his party eating itself from the inside, it seems pretty clear what this all boils down to for the Bushies: saving face and masking reality.
Golly, you mean only 439 deaths this month, instead of 748? Now that’s progress only a true Bushie could chirp over.
You mean only a handful of republican senators have expressed open repugnance with their own president–not a full 15? Now that’s pride only a true Bushie could lay claim to.
Go Bush! ;)
March 14th, 2007 at 8:25 pmI don’t see the difference, but understand your point. You seem to be an intelligent person, how is it possible for you not to see the inexcusable failure of this administration’s policy in Iraq. I truly hope you’re right and the surge is working. No more people need to die for hubris.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:27 pmComment by Zooey — March 14, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Hey Zooey
Do I ring a bell with you bud? I know we’ve encountered each other before. Something to do with Dr Who?
Jake - explain your position to me or I will agree with Zooey on this. Have the balls to back up your statement.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pmThe bottom of the troll barrel has migrated here. I would guess that they travel from one indefensible issue to the next. I last saw them here.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pmNo people are dying for hubris, unless you accused FDR / Truman of hubris. I think I’ve explained my comment perfectly well. 439 deaths this month would indeed a dramatic improvement over 748 — do you know what the monthly casualty numbers were at the height of Vietnam? WWII? Our Civil War? If someone (who doesn’t spit venom) has a specific question about my post, please ask.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmAh, another st*pid c*nt, spouting off. What part about the *bleakest-assessment* again says *improvement* to you? Were you always a fcuking idiot - or have you suffered a recent trauma to the head?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Yes he has suffered recent trauma…it’s called exposure of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE as part of the ‘culture of corruption of this criminal cabal. See, maybe he just can’t believe such a Godly man like Emperor Bush was capable of being a Republo-fascist so people like him and VV have to lash out at those of us who saw through the crap all along.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmSo if there is a civil war who are we backing? And how was that decision made? I f we don’t back anyone then why are we there? If they can fight eachother they can certainly fight off some foreign fighters.
What the media and brain deads forget that al Sadr and the other big shots in Iraq are not terrorists. They are Iraqis that want to control the way Iraq will be led into the future. Yet this administration wants to choose which one will lead. Who are we to do that? Sad to say we opened up a zoo and there will be some bad times before it gets straightened out by the IRAQIS.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:36 pm439 deaths this month would indeed a dramatic improvement over 748
IF that’s where it ended! Sadly there is still half the month left.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:37 pmComment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
OK, is the situation in Iraq getting better? Is the situation in Afghanistan getting better?
What is your measure for improvement?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pmHey Zooey
Do I ring a bell with you bud? I know we’ve encountered each other before. Something to do with Dr Who?
Who could forget the Famous UKBristolDave? Did you get Billie back on Doctor Who? You don’t want to disappoint your niece.
BTW, I’m a chick. :)
Jake - explain your position to me or I will agree with Zooey on this. Have the balls to back up your statement.
Comment by UKBristolDave
Even if they’re tiny ones. Heh.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:41 pmJake,
March 14th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWhat does the number of deaths mean anyway? What if a single death represented you? Every sapient being deserves to live out its natural lifespan. If you do not believe that, drink a quart of Clorox and call me in the morning.
No people are dying for hubris, unless you accused FDR / Truman of hubris.
Comment by Jake #23
Will somebody send the Time Machine…
…to retreive these dumb a*s inbreds…
…they’re STUCK in a time warp…
March 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pmUKBristolDave:
What is your measure for improvement?
Well, so far the sectarian violence is way down (Brian Williams just told me so and him not having to wear body armor was all the visual I needed to confirm that) and I fully expect the first quarter 2007 report so show significant improvement in every single area. I am holding my breath for the new Iraqi Oil Law to go through without a hitch, but if it does, who knows — we may be able to pull out some troops by Election Day!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI’m sorry it looks like the stinky hippy-assed crazy, Stalin-like, moonbat, heart terrorists, naked, rainbow, sodomizing, baby-killing, Godless, Libruls are takin’ back over after a breif Republican rule. Too bad y’all let it slip away so fast.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:48 pmNo people are dying for hubris, unless you accused FDR / Truman of hubris. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
The verb *are* is present tense you dum bass. Are you saying FDR and Truman *are* causing death? Because with FDR, we were attacked by the country we responded to.
Iraq didn’t attack us - you fcuking idiot.
I think I’ve explained my comment perfectly well. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Yet it remains a st*p*d comment, divorced from reality. This was the *bleakest* assessment, and you say things are *better*? Pull your head out of your *ss.
439 deaths this month would indeed a dramatic improvement over 748 — do you know what the monthly casualty numbers were at the height of Vietnam? WWII? Our Civil War? If someone (who doesn’t spit venom) has a specific question about my post, please ask. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
We expected casualties in WWII, that was a war of defense.
As for Vietnam, it s*ck*d, and you fcuking idiots apparently didn’t learn anything from its lessons.
Neither did you learn that the reason we have fewer deaths has more to do with our medicine, than anything. What’s the result of this? We’ll have another 1+ TRILLION dollars in medical care for soldiers that were wounded so some dum bass GOP idiot could play *war*.
You’re a fool.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:51 pmWaltTheMan:
What does the number of deaths mean anyway?
For our troops, it’s a immeasurable tragedy for those family and friends left behind — yet even in tragedy, there can be good — we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance produces character, and character produces hope.
What if a single death represented you?
There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for another.
. . . drink a quart of Clorox and call me in the morning.
No thanks.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pmAin’t lawyer speak wonderful .It’s nor a war ,IT”S A CONFLICT.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pmFrench Algiers never attacked us either — it’s called a “multi-front” war for a reason, dum bass.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmI’m sorry it looks like the stinky hippy-assed crazy, Stalin-like, moonbat, heart terrorists, naked, rainbow, sodomizing, baby-killing, Godless, Libruls are takin’ back over after a breif Republican rule. Too bad y’all let it slip away so fast. Comment by Luke Handbag — March 14, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
I could explain to you how and why all of those terms both contradict each other, and make you look st*pid. But I figure, anyone that’s st*pid enough to post them - is beyond help. Dum bass.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmY’all are feeding the trolls again. Or at least one of them.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmFrench Algiers never attacked us either — it’s called a “multi-front†war for a reason, dum bass. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
You mean the member nation of the Axis Alliance that attacked us? I beg to differ.
Iraq was not a *member* of any country, or even any terrorist organization that attacked us (to be more generous than you deserve).
Your comment shows your ignorance of international law, and basic common sense. Pull your head out of your *ss, you’re stinking up the joint - dum bass.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pmWhat is prevaricating?
I will take 100 for prevaricating please.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pmFor our troops, it’s a immeasurable tragedy for those family and friends left behind — yet even in tragedy, there can be good — we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance produces character, and character produces hope. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
And Nationalistic laden propaganda laid in the laps of an idiot - produces a fool. That would be *exhibit-you*.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pm#33 Thank you, you said it better than I could have.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmIt’s just a few dead-enders in their last throes after the cakewalk mission is accomplished. One guy stealing a vase and they keep showing it on television over and over. I wouldn’t be surprised if in six months time they named a major plaza in Baghdad after President Bush. We know where the WMD are–they’re around Baghdad and Tikrit and north, east, west, and south, somewhat. Can’t be called a civil war unless one side is wearing gray and the other is wearing blue.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThere is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for another.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Then by all means, go serve in Iraq, do your duty, and STFU!
March 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmHeavens to mergatroid, Pentagon, do ya really think? Gosh… well…, w’d'ya know- Is this where I assume you’re trying to play catch-up?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pmdlet,
IMHO, the administration knows that an Iraq in chaos provides them the necessary justification for keeping American troops where they are. There are only a handful of reasons for keeping our military on Iraqi soil and they all eventually boil down to profit margins of large corporations (oil, weapons of war, construction, civil engineers, private militia’s like Blackwater, etc.).
Who’s making the biggest killing?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:00 pmNo shit, sherlock!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:00 pmIf they took 75 year-olds, ValiantVenus, I would.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:01 pmComment by Luke Handbag #32
Puke,
Having sex with your parents, siblings and children…
…has a way of warping your mind…
…and YOU are a textbook case study padnah!
Give up politics for awhile…
…until you work out them DEMONS…
March 14th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAverage troops killed per day so far in March this year — 2.27
Average troops killed per day so far in March 2006 — 1.06
Average troops killed per day so far in March 2005 — 1.26
Average troops killed per day so far in March 2004 —1.68
Must be some of that catastrophic success that Jake loves so much.
Only a scum-sucking f*ck-head like Jake would call more than doubling the troops killed per day compared to the same month in previous years as proof the escalation of the war is working.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pmGuys,
With all due respect, why does every thread have to turn into a pissing match. Sometimes it feels like a teeny-bopper chat room in here, much to the detriment of a first class source of information.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pmIf they took 75 year-olds, ValiantVenus, I would.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
I thought you seemed like someone suffering from dementia. It all makes sense now.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:08 pm#34 - Jake,
March 14th, 2007 at 9:09 pmI know someone who needs a heart/lung transplant, not me. Here is your chance! Two kidneys, two coreas, one liver and a pancreus can help six to ten people. Go for it!
#48- They DO take 75-year-olds these days, as well as felons and white supremacists. You should be in good company so go and join up, now.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pmHey man I was bein’ sarcastic.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pmThat’s fine with me — shows how much improvement there has been so far in the first quarter of 2007, since the “surge†of course - go Bush!
Comment by Jake
What a sick piece of elephant dung you are.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pmWith all due respect, why does every thread have to turn into a pissing match. Sometimes it feels like a teeny-bopper chat room in here, much to the detriment of a first class source of information. Comment by Jay — March 14, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Because pricks like you post b*llsh*t and act all dismissive like a spoiled brat.
You say you’re 75, but your debating skills puts at at someone with the intellectual and social maturity of a 12 year old.
And that’s why it turns into a teeney-bopper chat rom. Because fcuking idiots like you act like disrespectful ignorant *ssholes.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pmShould read:
March 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmIsn’t it written in Federal law somewhere that Iraqi civil wars are Bill Clinton’s fault?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmCan’t be called a civil war unless one side is wearing gray and the other is wearing blue.
Comment by keith #43
I’d LOVE to see your inbred a*s in confederate gray…
…walking down my block with your weapon…
March 14th, 2007 at 9:14 pm# 58. Where do those data come from?? I’d like to use them in an email to Bush and Cheney. Not that the dumb bastards can read but to make a point. Thanks
March 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pmGuys, With all due respect, why does every thread have to turn into a pissing match. Comment by Jay — March 14, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
You post a st*p*d and dismissive *I-know-it-all* set of *ssh*le posts, and you really have to ask this question? You really are a st*p*d old fcuk aren’t you?
See the statistics from lestatdelc.
You’re an ignorant old fool, pretending to be a know it all. Many of us deal with the right wing rhetoric passing as *facts* on a daily basis. Uninformed *ssholes come here daily spewing their lies and disinformation. You enter it as a *new* conversation. For us, it’s the same old tired b*llsh*t that’s been debunked, destroyed and discredited a thousand times.
Sorry we’re not the post patient people with your ignorance. But at your age, the problem is clearly *systemic* and incurable!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pmIsn’t it written in Federal law somewhere that Iraqi civil wars are Bill Clinton’s fault?
Comment by Ben Dover
And if that doesn’t work, blame Carter =)
March 14th, 2007 at 9:17 pmNo people are dying for hubris. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Everyone dying in iraq is dying from hubris. Now, that is civil isn’t it?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pmCan’t you recognize humor when you see it?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:18 pmJake??? When can we expect you to show up at your local military recruiter office to sign up to be a casualty for Bush’s ego in his illegal foray into Iraqnam??? Let us know when you are catching a C-5 headed to Baghdad. We’ll all come out to see you off.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pm#62 — ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
You just attacked Jay, thinking it was Jake? Why?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pmMay want to chill, slow down and read before replying
Just saying…..
As*holes let you know who they are, thanks for identifying yourself VVGFU.
No more troll feeding from me….promise.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pmIs Jay 75 too?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:23 pmI think Mercury is in retrograde.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:24 pmSorry, Jake, forget about the corneas. Pick up on the marrow stem cells. They actually increase with age. No-one knows why.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:25 pmAs*holes let you know who they are, thanks for identifying yourself VVGFU.
No more troll feeding from me….promise.
Comment by Jay — March 14, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Sorry, I thought it was Jake pissing and moaning. You didn’t deserve my response, I was entirely at fault, and I apologize!
However, my words still apply to Jake :)
March 14th, 2007 at 9:25 pmI will take 100 for prevaricating please.
Comment by Luke Handbag
You are now an official Diurnal Prevaricator, even if you do not know what it means.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:25 pmIs Jay 75 too?
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Nope, but I’m still waiting for you to explain why the casualty rate is twice as high for march as it was a year ago? Great surge - eh?
You’re a st*pid old fool.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:26 pm#69 - Jake,
March 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pmNo he has a higher IQ.
Yeah, Patsy. The guys here at the Road House would like to throw you a leather and bondage party. You’ll be the guest “meat” for the rack and all you have to do is lean back and enjoy. It’s the least we can do for a bro like you. Your pal Peter Pace will be there too.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pmBad communication when Mercury is in retrograde.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by keith #65
Keith,
…use your sarcasm banner…
…we get trolls on here all the time who say this exact same sh*t and MEAN it…
…apologies…
…but man this is keyboard (ideological) war…
…(for now)…
…sh*T…
…friendly fire…
…I hate when that happens…
March 14th, 2007 at 9:28 pmIt’s called civil discourse lacks insults ,lude innuendo and expletives .Your making the trolls look good today and simutaneously dis empowering the relevant postings here , which are sandwiched in between 100’s of obscene ,off topic postings !
March 14th, 2007 at 9:30 pmAnyone new to TP would be likely to go elsewhere after reading this trash which I suspect is just the point !
As the old saying goes ,with friends like those ,who needs enemies!
Clean it up ,your incivility is bad for the cause .
Now Jake, I want you to explain why we should not consider you a sick inhuman for this statement?
That’s fine with me — shows how much improvement there has been so far in the first quarter of 2007, since the “surge†of course - go Bush!
Comment by Jake
Disgusting. You just do not give a damn about the people dying for a war started over lies, do you?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pm#79-
March 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWhy me laugh… ?
As the old saying goes ,with friends like those ,who needs enemies! Clean it up ,your incivility is bad for the cause . Comment by freeman — March 14, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Oh please, take your arrogant moralizing tone somewhere else. There’s nothing uncivil about calling someone an uncivil idiot. Civil discourse requires not just the use of civil *language*, but civil *tactics* of debate. That doesn’t exist with most CONs. Calling them idiots and *ssholes is entirely appropriate, when they act that way.
Would you prefer if I simply use the GOP approach, and tell them to go *Cheney* themselves?
As for people getting turned off? Many get turned off by the whiny attitude that says people shouldn’t stand up for themselves, call a spade a spade, and tell someone to fcuk off when they deserve it. People like you are why the trolls call liberals *whiny*, just so you know.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pmFrench Algiers never attacked us either — it’s called a “multi-front†war for a reason, dum bass.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
That is about as dumb a comment I have read lately. Norway has never attacked us either (except sexion) and we have very few pied-noirs from there. So your point is?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:35 pmThe war began on March 23,2003.
Two months later,Bush declared ‘Mission Accomplished’,in May of 2003,and all military hostilities were over(wearing a navy pilot suit)
Few months later, Rumsfeld said by year 2006,we will have no more than 5000 troops in IRAQ
After several months of search to find the illusive WMDS and millions of dollars spent, nothing was found.
After killing two Saddam’s sons, the word was that war will end soon.
After capuring Saddam, hopes were high the war will end.
The war got worse after few years from capturing Saddam.
Two years later, Cheney said that the insurgency in Iraq in the ‘last throes’.
After Saddam was hanged…nothing changedon the ground in Iraq.
Now,after 4 years….Bush is trying to secure Baghdad by sending more troops.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pmIt is called the ’surge’.
Joefriday:
Iraq is the central war on terrorism today just as North Africa was the central front in WWII following an attack on Pearl Harbor. Not sure how much more simple I can get.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:43 pm#82-
March 14th, 2007 at 9:44 pmI agree, entirely. I’m also sick and tired of “Progressives don’t talk that way. They’re supposed to show compassion and empathy”. My empathy flew out the Godamned window about six years ago and I really don’t know if I’ll ever get it back. I, too, will call a spade, a spade. I will take no leads from anyone. I think my interpretation is as good, if not better, than anyone else’s that I know. Go, girl!
tarzan:
May I remind you in that speech Bush said “major combat operations” (not “all military hostilities”) were over but that we were still in for a long fight against terrorists?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pm#87-
March 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pmSo, you still have time to sign up, don’t you? Or, are you a… (dare I say it?) a… Republican?
Something grew from your anus ,
March 14th, 2007 at 9:51 pmyour doing a wonderful troll imitation .So far you havent said anything relevant to this or the last thread ! Ignorance sits better on Fascisms supporters , on you it looks merely sad .Leave the hate speak in the gutter where it belongs , It is making you look bad and us by association . Is that arogant and whiny enough for you .
I’m registered Independent, thank you very much.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:52 pmIraq is the central war on terrorism today just as North Africa was the central front in WWII following an attack on Pearl Harbor. Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
I call b*llsh*t. Calling Iraq the central war on terrorism, would be like during WWII us invading India, and calling it the central war against Hitler.
This comment singles you out as doddling senile old fool.
Not sure how much more simple I can get.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
The truth. Iraq is a *distraction* from dealing terrorism, and has degraded into a Sectarian civil war because of inept and corrupt mismanagement.
See now *that* is simple!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:52 pmMay I remind you in that speech Bush said “major combat operations†(not “all military hostilitiesâ€) were over but that we were still in for a long fight against terrorists? Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
May I remind you that most violence in Iraq is from Sectarian Civil War and not Al Qaeda.
Making you’re comment irrelevant, and you look like a st*pid senile old fool!
March 14th, 2007 at 9:53 pmInteresting. From tonight’s New York Times:
Clinton Says Some G.I.’s in Iraq Would Stay if She Took Office
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and PATRICK HEALY
WASHINGTON, March 14 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission†in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced but significant military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:54 pmHmm, I’ve been visiting ThinkProgress since it was launched (must be 4 years now anyway) and I stopped posting some time ago, but it wasn’t because the trolls were ruining the threads (although at that point they were making enough trouble to be annoying) it was that the moderator’s wouldn’t allow discussion of certain topics. At that point Judd was trying to crack down on folks that pulled the thread off topic, people hijacking other poster’s names and general bad behavior (name calling, cursing, etc.). I see that the enforcement never really stuck.
Ah well, I say ignore the trolls, I’ve seen other blogs just nix their posts completely. Makes for much better dialogue and exchange of ideas.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pmBecause a person uses incivility to advance their opinions ,and insults , doesn’t make the argument more valid ,only less approachable .
March 14th, 2007 at 9:55 pmYou know what ValiantVenus, I call bullshite too. I recall Jason M. Hendler being the #1 troll here some time ago and I see that your link has some relevance.
So, did you have an epiphany?
March 14th, 2007 at 9:59 pmtarzan: http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2003/ 05/ 20030501-15.html
“Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices; and everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear. We have difficult work to do in Iraq . . . The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. Then we will leave, and we will leave behind a free Iraq . . . The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We’ve removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding. And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more . . .”
“Our war against terror is proceeding according to principles that I have made clear to all: Any person involved in committing or planning terrorist attacks against the American people becomes an enemy of this country, and a target of American justice.”
“Any person, organization, or government that supports, protects, or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent, and equally guilty of terrorist crimes.”
“Any outlaw regime that has ties to terrorist groups and seeks or possesses weapons of mass destruction is a grave danger to the civilized world — and will be confronted.”
“And anyone in the world, including the Arab world, who works and sacrifices for freedom has a loyal friend in the United States of America.”
“Our commitment to liberty is America’s tradition — declared at our founding; affirmed in Franklin Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms; asserted in the Truman Doctrine and in Ronald Reagan’s challenge to an evil empire. We are committed to freedom in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and in a peaceful Palestine. The advance of freedom is the surest strategy to undermine the appeal of terror in the world. Where freedom takes hold, hatred gives way to hope. When freedom takes hold, men and women turn to the peaceful pursuit of a better life. American values and American interests lead in the same direction: We stand for human liberty.”
“The United States upholds these principles of security and freedom in many ways — with all the tools of diplomacy, law enforcement, intelligence, and finance. We’re working with a broad coalition of nations that understand the threat and our shared responsibility to meet it. The use of force has been — and remains — our last resort. Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.”
“Our mission continues. Al Qaeda is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland. And we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.”
“The war on terror is not over; yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory.”
March 14th, 2007 at 10:00 pmThe current admin has denied civil war from the get go and has used such talking points as sectarian and insurgent.
Why try to define this peace operation as war? What was civil war? Is any war civil? The civil war, by American means, was not caused by a nation attacking a sovereign country. This ‘war’ or regime change or freedom operation involves a third party.
The American civil war was not only about slavery, though it was a large part of it. On one side we had Christians whom thought it was their mission to free the slaves, whereas the opposing christians thought it was appropiate to own slaves.
Iraq is secular, and has two opposing muslim factions. Are they warring to free slaves? How does one account for the third group who wishes to free both sides from tribal sectarian violence and install democracy? This is not a two sided issue it has many dimensions and causes.
To define it Iraq as a country enveloped in civil war, though occupied by a foreign entity, is but word play.
We need to redefine our mission. Was Vietnam a civil war? Was the Korean war a civil war? We called them police actions
March 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pmYou know what ValiantVenus, I call bullshite too. I recall Jason M. Hendler being the #1 troll here some time ago and I see that your link has some relevance.
So, did you have an epiphany?
Comment by Jay — March 14, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Jason and Venus are both two of the biggest *ssholes that came here. My name/links associate with them to make fun of them both.
Jason have an epiphany - no chance. He’s as st*pid as Aphrodite is.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:03 pmJake, why don’t you save your Nationalist Rhetoric for your next NeoNazi meeting. It’s tiresome and st*pid looking here.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThe transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done. Then we will leave, and we will leave behind a free Iraq
That did not work in Vietnam or Korea. Both today are still divided. Iraq will not become free, it will become divided.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:06 pmJake- Why me laugh? You funny! Not really-
March 14th, 2007 at 10:07 pm#98,
…”the third group who wishes to free both sides from tribal sectarian violence and install democracy? ”
So the “third group” had nothing to do with plunging the entire region into bloody chaos, an innocent, peacekeeping bystander if you will? Holy good shi*, the Kool-Aid is strong with you young Happy Ple Day.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:12 pmI knew Jake. Jake was probably the smartest person I knew. He had an IQ over 150, belonged to a freak group of super Mensas called the Triple 9 Society.
Loved people, loved to hunt, fish and laugh.
He was nobody’s cheap whore.
You…are no Jake.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pmThe proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger.
Who is the largest supplier of arms?
Since 1992, the United States has exported more than $142 billion dollars worth of weaponry to states around the world.[1] The U.S. dominates this international arms market, supplying just under half of all arms exports in 2001, roughly two and a half times more than the second and third largest suppliers. [2 ] U.S. weapons sales help outfit non-democratic regimes, soldiers who commit gross human rights abuses against their citizens and citizens of other countries, and forces in unstable regions on the verge of, in the middle of, or recovering from conflict.
http://www.fas.org/asmp/fast_facts.htm
The question then is this;
Is it better for the US to supply arms and able to track them or is it better to allow Russia or China to sell arms that are harder to track?
The fact is mankind is simply stupidly filled with hate. That is a fact that cannot be ignored be you democratic or republican.
So the “third group†had nothing to do with plunging the entire region into bloody chaos, an innocent, peacekeeping bystander if you will? Holy good shi*, the Kool-Aid is strong with you young Happy Ple Day.
Comment by Jay
No the point was it cannot be called a civil war if there is a third party.
Kool-aid my derrier, the fact is the world is filled with irrational hatred. You calling me names does not change that, it only adds to it.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pmJake
March 14th, 2007 at 10:22 pm“Everywhere that freedom arrives, humanity rejoices; and everywhere that freedom stirs, let tyrants fear..
Exactly why the neo cons are beginning to worry,at the end of this process they can write their memoirs from jail.Their purpose in this war was stated in plain terms ,pre 911 and it had nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with domination of the developing world and China through the control of oil.( and considering the # of oil and energy executives in Bushes cabinet ,corporate profits !
This is now common knowledge ,I believe and incidentally a war crime by US and international law.In pursuit of their strategy they have violated every aspect of the separation of powers ,which makes us a viable democracy,and this was stated at the onset as well ,planning to re invent the executive branch .While bringing Democracy to Iraq ,they overthrew the nearest democracy to the continental US and shelled out millions to the dictator in Uzbekistan, who boiled people alive in secret prisons ,which is where some of our best intellegence on Al Qaeda came from at the time .
What part of fascism don’t you understand !
The American civil war was not only about slavery, though it was a large part of it.
Comment by Happy PIe Day! #98
I hate to bust your bubble…
…but the Civil War had almost NOTHING to do with “slavery”…
…Lincoln “freed” the slaves in the south in order to break the back of the confederate economy…
…and entice “freed” slaves to join the union Army…
…yet slavery remained in tact in some northern states…
…slaves were a tool for Lincoln…
…he would have sent every Black back to Africa if he could have…
…read LeRone Bennet’s “Lincoln: White Dreams” …
…if books are too long for you…
…the next time you’re in D.C. and visiting the Lincoln Monument…
…go down into the base and read the inscriptions along the wall…
…Lincoln says that (paraphrasing here)…
…If (he) could save the union by freeing the slaves he’d free them all, and if he could save the union by not freeing a single slave he’d not free a one of them”…
…words to that effect…
…f*ck Abe Lincoln and all redneck al Crackker sombiches…
March 14th, 2007 at 10:26 pmIf you want to trade baseless opinions and refuse to acknowledge mankinds stupidity and engage in irrelavent name calling, fine, I can do that.
You..you..filthy buttscratcher you. =)
March 14th, 2007 at 10:27 pmI hate to bust your bubble…
…but the Civil War had almost NOTHING to do with “slaveryâ€â€¦
But how many people think it did?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:28 pm…f*ck Abe Lincoln and all redneck al Crackker sombiches…
Comment by big papa
Oh great spread more hate and engage in namecalling, that’ll solve the problem.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:29 pmIf (he) could save the union by freeing the slaves he’d free them all, and if he could save the union by not freeing a single slave he’d not free a one of themâ€â€¦
Are you not free and is our union not saved?
What are you complaining about?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:32 pmHappy,
No hate or name calling in my post, a little sarcasm maybe. I think I’m getting mixed messages from you though. Help me understand.
Regardless of whether or not there’s a ‘civil’ war raging in Iraq by your or any other definition, you would agree that the dire and despicable state that Iraq finds itself in didn’t exist prior to our “invasion for freedom and democracy” right? Do you believe that the Bush administration’s motives were pure when they invaded Iraq? Do you believe it was done to spread democracy and freedom across the Middle East?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:38 pmAre you not free and is our union not saved?
What are you complaining about?
Comment by Happy PIe Day! #111
HELL NO! I’m not free…
…and unless you’ve got a couple billion in the Credit Suisse Banque…
…neither are YOU…
… but then again…
…MAYBE I AM free…
… because I have the knowledge that this government, and economic system is a “house of cards”, a scam…
…and YOU”RE the SLAVE…
…because you STILL (after all evidence to the contrary)…
…believe the lie…
March 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pmHELL NO! I’m not free…
…and unless you’ve got a couple billion in the Credit Suisse Banque…
…neither are YOU…
… but then again…
…MAYBE I AM free…
Are you or not? Can you type your opinion be you broke or rich?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:43 pmCan you type your opinion be you broke or rich?
Have you ever read mlk’s letter from Birmingham jail?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:49 pmAre you or not? Can you type your opinion be you broke or rich?
Comment by Happy PIe Day! #114
Don’t you realize this site is monitored?
…and what are words?
…we don’t effect policy by typing on this site…
…but I’ll tell you what…
…if I “choose” to drive without car insurance and get pulled over…
…(while dwb)…
…choose to cancel my homeowner’s insurance…
…or “choose” to have a drink and drive…
…or “choose” NOT to pay my property taxes /or rent…
…or “choose” to say something “threatening” against Bushiva or L’il Dick…
…guess what?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pmBushland Uber Allies and The Fourth Reich of Der Fuhrer CHIMPya, Himmler Torticola Cheney and Goebbels Miss Piggy FAT-F*CK Rove IS BLITHELY SKIPPING ON ITS WAY TO SELF-DESTRUCTION, OBLIVIOUS TO ALL AND ANY EVENTS ENFOLDING AROUND IT, AS IT FALLS FLAT ON ITS BLOATED DEFORMED FAT HEAD AND DIES A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!!! WHAT A DELIGHTFUL SIGHT TO BEHOLD!!!!! HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!! AMERICA WILL STILL BE HERE ALONG WITH ALL TRUE AMERICANS BUT YOUSE CREEPS WILL BE LONG GONE–AND BURIED AS WELL, THOUGH I PERSONALLY PREFER THEIR CREMATION WHILE STILL ALIVE, OF COURSE!!!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThis probably has a lot to do with the fact that the four big oil companies have a 25 year contract stealing oil out from underneath the Iraqi people just about signed. Once they steal that oil they can go with another big mission accomplished. We leave and all hell can break loose. Then we can really start to worry about actual Iraqi terrorist so pissed off we have to fight them here.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:15 pmThe Bush Agenda: Invading the World, One Economy at a Time (Hardcover)
by Antonia Juhasz (Author)
This is the author explaining oil company shenanigans.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:18 pmOh my god, this is one insane thread.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:25 pmThere is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for another.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Then by all means Jake show us YOUR love.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:33 pmComment by Zooey #120
Hey Zooey!
I call it…
… “Controlled Chaos: An American Emotional Mosaic”…
…you like?
March 14th, 2007 at 11:34 pmIf they took 75 year-olds, ValiantVenus, I would.
Comment by Jake — March 14, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Jake all this time I thought you were suffering lead poisoning induced dementia and now I realize its alzheimers.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:36 pmJust lurking again and had a comment.
In an earlier thread Jake said “I am glad you (meaning me) are not my kids teacher.” Now, while I realize there may be a few 75 year old fathers out there, what are the odds that this jackass is the proud papa of a high school sophmore?
I think I do detect deceit. He is a republican after all!!!!!
March 14th, 2007 at 11:47 pm#82-
I agree, entirely. I’m also sick and tired of “Progressives don’t talk that way. They’re supposed to show compassion and empathyâ€. My empathy flew out the Godamned window about six years ago and I really don’t know if I’ll ever get it back. I, too, will call a spade, a spade. I will take no leads from anyone. I think my interpretation is as good, if not better, than anyone else’s that I know. Go, girl!
Comment by R — March 14, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
I’m right with you guys. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired. These a..holes at the White House have pushed us too far and then trolls want to push buttons. Its pretty clear that this country is embroiled in a nonviolent civil war. The time for liberals to be the only compassionate people is over. Time for us to protect our own and stand up to the neocon enemy.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pmOh my god, this is one insane thread. Comment by Zooey
Yeah the trolls are freeking, like they do when something big has turned up.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThese guys are scared to death though. Desperate
WASHINGTON, March 14 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission†in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced but significant military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.
Comment by Exley — March 14, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Nice of Hillary to point out today so many reasons I won’t be voting for her. First she won’t come out directly and say she supports gays and now this.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:53 pmKiss your presidency goodbye princess.
… “Controlled Chaos: An American Emotional Mosaicâ€â€¦
…you like?
Comment by big papa
Ok. I’m not sure how controlled it is…..wow.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:56 amThese guys are scared to death though. Desperate
Comment by Wayne
It’s only been increasing as the day goes on. I’ll leave to you guys. I’ve done my troll wrangling for today. :-D
March 15th, 2007 at 12:57 amJake is such a st*pid id*ot. He’s spread the *big-lie* from Drudge about casualty figures being down. It’s a completely discredited lie, that’s been propagandized to talk radio. And dum bass idiots like Jake just swallow it, like Gannon at a whitehouse sleepover!
Jake, idiot, the statistics drudge quotes, ignores huge swaths of the country.
Jake = propaganda = st*pid idiot.
March 15th, 2007 at 1:52 amIsrael, U.S. storm out of UN nuclear forum
The Israel and U.S. delegations walked out of the United Nations’ disarmament forum in Geneva, Switzerland yesterday after Iran said Israel was the “real source of nuclear danger in the Middle East” and had a “dark record of crimes.”
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told the Conference on Disarmament that Israel’s nuclear weapons posed a “uniquely grave threat to regional and international peace and security” requiring action by the international community.
In a statement, Israel’s ambassador Itzhak Levanon to the UN in Geneva, said that he and his aides, and the entire U.S. delegation had “abruptly left the room as the Foreign Minister of Iran … was in the middle of a vitriolic speech”.
A U.S. spokeswoman in Geneva confirmed the walk-out and called Mottaki’s remarks “outrageous and divisive” at a time the forum was trying to find common ground on global arms issues..,.,.,
March 15th, 2007 at 5:48 amBush-in-tights (and posse) won’t call it a civil war until both sides in Iraq divide up, north and south, wear blue and gray uniforms, and break out the cannons from the 1800s - that’s when they’ll finally admit it’s a civil war.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:57 am[…] on the ground continues to be more elusive than ever. Just this week, the Pentagon called Iraq a civil war for the first time, acknowledging US-led attempts at political reconciliation have failed. Iraqi […]
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