Officials: Mohammed ‘confessions’ exaggerated.
By on Mar 15th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Officials: Mohammed ‘confessions’ exaggerated.
“Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s claims that he was responsible for dozens of successful, foiled and imagined attacks in the past 15 years relies on a loose definition of the word ‘responsible.’ Officials say the 9/11 mastermind was key to some plots but a bit player in others.”
UPDATE: Earlier today, ThinkProgress noted that the Pentagon had redacted Mohammed’s statements on torture in his confession statement. Human Rights Watch has called on the deleted transcript to be made public.
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Yeah…still not buying any of it, thanks.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:36 pmEither way, I feel safer with that bad guy off the street.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:37 pmRemove some more of his fingernails!
March 15th, 2007 at 7:39 pmSo, now, you don’t even think that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was involved in planning 9/11?! But you probably don’t think any Jews died in the WTC either, huh?
March 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pmWe’ll all fell safer when bush is “off the street” jake.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:42 pmwhen are you going to respond to jpv’s question?
Jake, are you like Ann Coulter, happy that Mohammed cut of a newspaper reporters head?
You Bush/Coulter Republican wingers are always happy when that happens.
-GSD
March 15th, 2007 at 7:43 pmKSM was tortured. All confessions by him are tainted.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:45 pmThe claims sound so rediculous either this guy is Dr. Doom or else the republicans are trying to cover up their failure to get Osama by making this guy look like he is more important than Osama.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:46 pmbob (not the hacker):
My answer is that, based on all the long-established procedures for replacing U.S. Attorneys, the protections afforded under Executive Privilege, and setting a bad precedent otherwise, I don’t think Rove should testify — as I’ve said repeatedly, if you want the specifics on why I hold that opinion, you can look those posts up at your leisure. I’m not going to repeat them all over again.
GSD:
Was it a New York Times reporter’s head?
March 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pmGSD:
Was it a New York Times reporter’s head?
Comment by Jake — March 15, 2007
Oh, open fascism. Funny stuff.
-GSD
March 15th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI smell a rat. This story is to pat. This guy is going to be responsible for every thing bad that has happened in the last five years.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:49 pmComment by Jake
All I know is what I saw and what everone commented on. For the first time in human history not one… not two…. but three steel frame building imploded just like steel frame buildings normally do when they are demolitioned without officially being declared as demolitioned buildings. Did KSM plant the demolition explosives? Someone did.
Most likely KSM is responsible for a FEW of the things he was tortured into admiting to…. the rest are just a way for the republicans to cover their asses.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmWho cares?
The entire “confession” is an attempt to grab headlines and push Bush’s scandals off the front page. There is NOTHING new here in the Mohammed confessions. At best it is a footnote in a wikipedia entry.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr — March 15, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Be sure to recycle your tinfoil.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmLet’s see the report about Pat Tillman’s death was told by the Military only to find out years later it was a lie. Now Mohammed has been tortured for years and even learn to give confusion is English and we are to believe every word. Mohammed would say he killed Lincoln and Kennedy by now.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmBut we are to believe what ever we’re told because Bush would never lie.
Gonzo lied to Congress but it’s not really a lie when he lies. We’ll find out years from now that Mohammed wasn’t involved in all the stuff he said but it works now to fool Americans to think so. I’m just glad Bush kept his promise to the Middle East as Bush protects Osama. Osama is no longer a thought in the Liar-in-Chief’s little brain. But it works as Americans believe what ever their told and wont ask any questions.
Mohammed ‘confessions’ exaggerated
Well considering he also ‘confessed’ to murdering Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown, providing Monica with the blue dress, causing the 1977 blackout in New York, shooting the deputy and letting the dogs out, I’ll say they were exaggerated.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:55 pm#1 Tripmaster Monkey – You and are I definitely simpatico on this one! I don’t buy a word of it either and believe that it’s nothing more than a coerced statement under torture along with a “convenient distraction” from the horrendous Bush administration business at hand. Isn’t it amazing to watch them all dropping like flies….they’re in it all so deeply that if this scandal doesn’t get one of them, the next one will. It’s like lying….once you tell the first lie you have to tell a subsequent lie to cover up the first one….and so the exercise goes ad infinitum until the lies are so mountainous that these thugs can’t recall what they said, to whom and when.
Bush’s little house of cards is tumbling down and for americans viewing it up close and personal, it certainly isn’t a pretty sight. Acknowledging that one’s own government has engaged in lying and ongoing corruption does something to the human soul. How can anyone now believe a thing they say? How can anyone even pretend to be satisfied with this level of corruption? How can anyone be proud of the people in the highest offices in this country these days??? It’s over and americans now know the ugly truth….and you know there’s more….much, much more. These recent debacles are simply a “prelude” to even higher crimes which will be exposed as time moves forward. On that it would be safe to place one’s bet!
March 15th, 2007 at 7:55 pmWell, yeah, if I thought Bush planted explosive charges at the WTC, I’d be all for his Impeachment too. Good luck with that one, guys.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:56 pmEverybody else catch that this confession was dated February but was conveniently released yesterday when Rove was implicated in the US Attorney Gate?
I know the friggin trolls didn’t
March 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pm#15 On that one you can bet, too. This 4 year old “admission” is nothing more than a convenient ploy to change the conversation which americans all over the country are having in expressing their sheer outrage at what Gonzales and Bush have done to this country. The conversation HAS NOT changed and no one believes a word about this purported confession anyway. And, on the premise that this guy did “confess”, soooooooooooo what???? Who cares now?? The fact is that if his confession was held for 4 years until some more opportune time politically, does that also mean that the impetus for the continuation of our war on terror would have abated some?? Connecting the dots is becoming quite facile these days, isn’t it?
March 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pmThis release is timed to knock Alberto Gonzales and the Attorney General flap off the front pages. Remember when Jose Padilla’s arrest was announced? John Ashcroft interrupted a trip to Russia to declare that the U.S. had arrested a domestic terrorist and heroically stopped his “dirty bomb” attack. As it turned out, Padilla had been arrested a month before and Ashcroft’s announcement was timed to knock a bunch of bad news out of the headlines. And the government could never prove the “dirty bomb” charge.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pmlestadelc sez:
Typical.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pm#18 nice attempt to divert the discussion but you’re on the wrong thread, kiddo.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI was surprised that he didn’t confess to…
…the Kennedy assassination…
March 15th, 2007 at 8:00 pmBe sure to recycle your tinfoil.
Comment by lestatdelc
I simply repeat the words of the POLICE AND FIRE FIGHTERS THAT WERE IN THE BUILDINGS ON 911…. were you there? They were. Those steel buildings did NOT fall over as would a normal building that comes crashing down… there are pictures on the internet for you to see of buildings that have been crashed down by earthquakes and buildings that have STOOD after many hours of burning and buildings IMPLODING because of explosives. NO steel building has EVER imploded because of anything ANYTHING but demolition explosives… EVER… and the police and fire fighters that were there said ON FILM that explosives were going off just like the buildings were being demolitioned…. so go talk to the people that were there about tin foil hats….
March 15th, 2007 at 8:00 pmOh I almost forgot…I hear he also ‘confessed’ to framing Roger Rabbit and the tsunami from a couple years back.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:00 pmAs they say, “timing is everything” especially in dirty politics and that’s precisely what this one is looking like…..along with the purging of attorneys, the illegal spying on americans, and the list of dirty, filthy high crimes and misdemeanors mounts up….up…up.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:01 pmWas it a New York Times reporter’s head?
Comment by Jake
Zol er krenken un gedenken.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI believe we need to send the message to the sycophantic mainstream media that we’re “onto” their complicitousness as well and if they don’t begin bringing timely news (and not fiction) to the american public, they will become totally and completely irrelevant, too.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pmI’m surprised Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has not confessed to forging those forged Niger Uranium claim documents and for being responsible for Curveball.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pmPlease don’t start the nine-eleven stuff again. The good news is that we now find out OBL is a good guy (double agent for us) and he led us to KSM the real guy behind all the bad stuff.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pm#25 Go to http://www.911truth.org and see all of the mounting testimony, timelines which do not concur with the “official timelines” (particularly the one in which the BBC announced the collapse of building 7 some 20 minutes before it actually occurred (now that’s primo!) as well as other very damning evidence about what really occurring. Treat yourself if you’re into nightmares.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pmWell, yeah, if I thought Bush planted explosive charges at the WTC, I’d be all for his Impeachment too. Good luck with that one, guys.
Comment by Jake
Someone did… why are you saying bush did it? I thought you were a republican? Why not blame Osama… hey check out this guy Jake saying bush is the one that planted demolition explosives in the 911 towers…. talking about tin foil hat! Was bush even in NY on the weekend before 911?
March 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pmNot to mention he also ‘confessed’ to causing Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction, and causing Walt Coleman to make the ‘tuck’ call.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pm#26 Yes, indeedy-deed….and the confessions keep accruing. Now I’ve heard that he huffed and he puffed and blew that nasty storm surge right into New Orleans, too.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:05 pmHi Big Papa! Nice to see you this evening….yeparoo, surprising that he didn’t admit to that one along with the Black Dahlia as well! Mercy me~! Speaking of “spanky and our gang”…. the show goes on, doesn’t it. Just when you think it’s gotten bad enough, whammo~! They outdo themselves the very next day. Amazing.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:06 pmNow that’s it…..I remember now…..KSM “is” Curveball!
March 15th, 2007 at 8:07 pmPlease don’t start the nine-eleven stuff again.
Comment by Joefriday
It never ended. The people that jumped out of those buildings to their deaths deserve justice… something right wingers will never deliver.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:07 pm#33 depends which Bush you’re speaking about……Pappy was in town for the meeting of his Carlyle Group precisely on 9/10….check the timelines. Maybe he’s onto something?
March 15th, 2007 at 8:08 pmI’m surprised Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has not confessed to forging those forged Niger Uranium claim documents and for being responsible for Curveball.
Comment by Abby
No, I think he actually did confess to the Niger document, and also creating New Coke.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:09 pmIs there anything else we can get him to confess to? After all….he’s just confessed to a very measly 28…harumph!
March 15th, 2007 at 8:09 pmGerald Gibson Jr sez:
Oh, no…haven’t you heard? Jake is allegedly a ‘registered Independent’. I can understand your confusion…after all, most dissembling neocon trolls are at least proud of their party affiliation…
March 15th, 2007 at 8:10 pmKhalid Sheikh Mohammed also confessed to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby, killing Jimmy Hoffa and fixing the 2000 presidential election.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:11 pmKhalid Sheikh Mohammed also confessed to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby, killing Jimmy Hoffa and fixing the 2000 presidential election.
HOFFA!! That’s the one I couldn’t think of!!
March 15th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWow! This guy definitely is omnipresent and omniscient! Anything else he can confess to?
March 15th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI heard that he is also responsible for helping nail Jesus on the cross. And he has also impersonated Sasquatch all these years, too.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:18 pmWow! This guy definitely is omnipresent and omniscient! Anything else he can confess to?
Comment by veritas
Well he confessed to the plane crashes that took Paul Wellstone and Payne Stewart way too soon, don’t know if he confessed to convincing Jessup to order the code red.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:19 pmSo let’s see…so far we know he’s confessed to…
murdering Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown
March 15th, 2007 at 8:23 pmproviding Monica with the blue dress
causing the 1977 blackout in New York
shooting the deputy
letting the dogs out
framing Roger Rabbit
the tsunami
causing Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction
causing Walt Coleman to make the ‘tuck’ call
those forged Niger Uranium claim documents
creating New Coke
kidnapping the Lindbergh baby
helping nail Jesus on the cross
killing Jimmy Hoffa
fixing the 2000 presidential election
impersonated Sasquatch
Hurricane Katrina
the plane crashes that took Paul Wellstone and Payne Stewart
March 15th, 2007 at 8:25 pmand maybe, just maybe the Kennedy assassination
randi rhodes devoted at least the first half hour of her show today
with call-ins about ALL the various crimes KSM “confessed” to…
it was hilarious… … anyone else hear that?
i have a horrible memory for jokes… sorry…
randi’s favorite, for some reason, was “inventing the accordian”…
“now we know who put the ‘bop’ in the ‘bop do wap do bop’”…
of course, the OJ, who shot JR, lots more…
March 15th, 2007 at 8:25 pmrandi rhodes devoted at least the first half hour of her show today
with call-ins about ALL the various crimes KSM “confessed†to…
it was hilarious… … anyone else hear that?
How do you think I learned most of this stuff??
March 15th, 2007 at 8:28 pmHey, I don’t know about all that, but there is a blurry picture of a guy lurking around the grassy knoll that was discovered on that recently found Kennedy film. Time for a little more water boarding…
Hey, do you think that if we use the same methods, we could get to the bottom of why we were lied to in order to get into this mess in Iraq?
March 15th, 2007 at 8:35 pmI think Jake…
…should take his new found…
…”Independence”…
…and lobby his right wing congressional and senatorial TRAITORS…
…to cease and desist their obstruction…
…of Democratic efforts…
…to save the troops’ lives…
…and stop the graft, waste, fraud and corruption…
…of war profiteers…
Whaddaya say Jake…
…do you HATE liberals…
…more than you love your country’s best, bravest and brightest?
March 15th, 2007 at 8:37 pmtrippin sez:
As tempting as it may sound, the fact remains that torture has never been a reliable means of extracting intelligence.
A much more effective method is to ask one simple question:
March 15th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
How do you think I learned most of this stuff??
Comment by CONservative — March 15, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
ha! as soon as the page refreshed after i posted, i saw your list and
March 15th, 2007 at 8:41 pmrealized you’d been listening too! … and taking notes!
… it was funny…
randi was actually letting the people do the show… it was fast and fun…
.
Gee its incredible how well torture works at getting to the truth.Lets waterboard the entire federal government !
March 15th, 2007 at 8:44 pmPower to the people !
Does that mean Baha Men are really a double-secret probation agents for the CIA since he lead us to asking who might have done that in the first place?
March 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pmEither way, I feel safer with that bad guy off the street.
Comment by Jake — March 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
What you *feel*, and what *reality* is, are two different things. The rate of international terrorism as gone up since you idiots invaded Iraq, and mishandled the entire WOT crusade.
Well, yeah, if I thought Bush planted explosive charges at the WTC, I’d be all for his Impeachment too. Good luck with that one, guys. Comment by Jake — March 15, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
As if *that* is the only legitimate reason for why Bush should have already been impeached. Good luck with that one – idiot.
I don’t believe in explosive charges, I believe the affair resulted from complete and utter incompetence from the entire administration. It’s a much more plausible possible, and one consistent with everything they’ve done – and you’ve said – j*ck*ss.
Too bad at 75, you still have the j*ck*ss ignorance of a dum bass teenage *boy*. Grow a pair, put away that *pedantic* and *condescending* attitude, and realize what a st*pid, ignorant and self righteous pr*ck you are, before the only thing you’re good for is sh*tt*ng your diapers – old man.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pmComment by katy
Yeah I don’t know if anyone threw out the NY blackout bit, I wanted to call in and put that out there but I couldn’t get away from my desk to do it. haha
March 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pm#58 Well said.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:57 pmFrom a German Newspaper called Express
March 15th, 2007 at 8:58 pmKhalid Sheich Mohammed
HERE HE ATTACKED * The attack on the world trade center in New York 2001 * the assassinations of vacationers and an Israelian airplane in 2001 in Kenia * the attempt of an attack of shoe-bomber Reid. * HERE HE WANTED TO KILL * Attax on Big Ben, Canary Wharf and airport Heathrow in London, against the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) and other financial institutions as well as the Panama channel * A planned “second wave” of airplane attacks against US-skyscrapers such as the library tower in LA, the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Plaza Bank in Seattle and the Empire State Building in New York * An attack attempt against the former pope John Paul the 2nd at his visit of the Philippines * attax against the president of Pakistan Musharraf, against the former US-presidents Carter and Clinton * Plans for attax against US nuclear plants * against bridges in New York * against NATO-HQ in Belgium * Preperations of attax in Thailand, Israel, Turkey * The planned destruction of US and Israelian embassies in Asia and Australia, furthermore againstUS military ships and oiltankers on the oceans * attax against the oil firm of former us secretary of state H. kissinger
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I know your heart is in the right place… and I have not said anything for along time despite all the wincing when reading your posts… but really all the “sh*tt*ng your diapers” … talk… makes you seem less credible. Just some friendly advice. NOT an attack.
March 15th, 2007 at 8:59 pmKhalid Shiekh Mohammed, TAKE IT AWAY!
“Over and over
I was WATER-BOARDED BY YOU
Over and over
What more can I do?
Over and over
My friends say I’m a STOOLIE
But over and over
I’LL BE A STOOLIE FOR YOU!
‘Cause YOU GOT TORTURE-MASTERY
Walk, TORTURE-MASTERY
Talk, TORTURE-MASTERY
Smile, TORTURE-MASTERY
Charm, TORTURE-MASTERY
Love, TORTURE-MASTERY
And of Cause You’ve Got
A GREAT BIG BATHTUB!
So over and over
OH, I’LL BE A STOOLIE TO YOU!
Now over and over
What more can I do?
Over and over
I said that I HATED you
Over and over, INFIDEL!
Now it’s the truth
Over and over
They still say I’m a STOOLIE
But Over and over
I’LL ALWAYS BE A STOOLIE FOR YOU!!!!!”
(With Great Apologies to Mr. Lloyd Price)
March 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pmTorture , kidnapping ,secret prisons ,domestic spying unprecedented in our history as a nation, public servants on the payrolls of large corporations. Elections decided not by popular vote but by corn stalks in Nebraska on electronic voting machines ,secret democracy , Patriots who despise the constitution, no bid contracts to good American corporations which take the cash and relocate to more favorable tax environments outside the US,, Christians who believe Jesus said KILL your neighbor and a partridge in a pear tree.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:06 pmAMERIKA ! THERES ONLY ONE
The guy has confessed to everything but the Lindbergh baby kidnapping.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:15 pmHe’s a bone thrown to the poodles so Dickless and Clueless can go back to sleep.
Now its time to put the bush administration on the rack for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pmHey, but on a lighter note ,after mohammed’s torture confession 1/3 of the American people still believe 911 was a put up job by the bush administration.Thats for real !
Whoopteedoo. If you torture someone they’ll confess to anything you want them to. Heckuva job, Gonzo.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:27 pmI read the Pentagon transcript and found the unclassified evidence useless. Anyone who had looked at news reports on 9/11 would have that stuff on one’s hard drive. Why are all the military officials secret? Why are his request for two witnesses deemed irrelevant? And it is clear that what Khalid’s meaning of “responsible” is no different than when Bush claims to take full “responsibility” for mistakes made by his White House. And far from being fair and impartial, why is the mention of his treatment by the CIA censored? And what has become of his children? If I can make out what he means from his very broken English, he seems to “accept responsibility” for an absurb number of terrorist plots, but he also seems to assert that he is a “lawful” enemy combatant. This would take us back to the first Gulf War.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWelcome to the World of Bush’s Military Commissions.
Confessions exacted by torturing a man and his children make front-page headlines, while what was done to him and his children remains “Classified.”
Exley and the other trolls are willing pawns for a new black reign of terror, terror instigated by and for the ruling class of the United States of America.
Even if KSM did all the things to which he “confessed,” that would not justify what was done to him and his children.
For what Bush has done to one man, he can do to any man, or woman, or child.
The law no longer reaches to the President of the United States. Congress has abdicated its duty. The judicial branch has been co-opted by political hit-men installed as U.S. Attorneys.
And the military is developing micro-wave and plasma weapons to use in case of civil unrest.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire #69
YEP!
…but Karma cometh in the morning…
March 15th, 2007 at 9:52 pmI was really shocked when he confessed to a plat to turn the moon into green cheese!!!
But really…..it is good that this guy is off of the street, but after 3-4 years of “interrogation”, nothing that he confesses to can be believed.
Hell, he has less credibility than Curveball or Cheney.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:55 pmDidn’t he also kill Kennedy? I heard it was KSM on the grassy knoll.
March 15th, 2007 at 9:56 pmAdd this:
a) KSM made Sonny Bono ski into that tree
March 15th, 2007 at 10:12 pmb) It was KSM — Not Cheney — who shot the old man in the face
Lying all the time, in every imaginable way, and some unimaginable ways.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:12 pmEither way, I feel safer with that bad guy off the street.
Comment by Jake
On the bright side, there are still like 400 million Muslims you can be afraid of.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pm#75 Don’t forget the billions of Asians, blacks, hispanics, gays, females and everybody that is different from ole Jake. It must be scary to be a white guy that hates everybody but white guys (kinda gay, if you ask me.)
March 15th, 2007 at 11:14 pmso go talk to the people that were there about tin foil hats….
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Gerald, are you trying to tell me that buildings that were designed to bare a plane crash, after 40 minutes, just dropped like that? Are you trying to tell me that the fire did it? You must be crazy, we all know steel melts almost at 500 °C, and turbosine ignites at that temperature so of course it was the fire. Thats why the Windsor hotel in Madrid was made of titanium. After that, the cleaning services did the greatest job ever in a CRIME scene, which is remove all possible evidence to China. We can be so proud. But then, GWB was against any possible investigation of those events, well, national security, of course. We can always rely on national sec in order to do the most henious and crooked stuff we want. So, anyway, Gerald you really are using your tin foil. /sarcasm
March 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmYou honestly are going to make a point to look out for this terrorists rights? I agree with you, but this certainly isn’t a winnable political point. YOu think the average American cares one bit about what happens to a 9/11 terrorist? Torture for this man would be to put him in downtown New York with a sign saying “I killed 3000 of you on 9/11″. I don’t think he would make it more then 5 minutes.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:23 pm#78 Rog, do you actually buy all that crap? This is proof that torture doesn’t work. If they used actual proven interrogation techniques this wouldn’t be such a fricking joke.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pmIt must be scary to be a white guy that hates everybody but white guys (kinda gay, if you ask me.)
Comment by JPark
I guess you just described a fraternity.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#80 Nah, fraternities are pro-abortion :)
March 15th, 2007 at 11:40 pmYou honestly are going to make a point to look out for this terrorists rights? I agree with you, but this certainly isn’t a winnable political point. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
B*llshit. Only *nazis* like you believe that only some people deserve rights. The only reason people believe torture is acceptable at all – is fcukers like you *pretend* it has value. It has none, other than satisfying your own pathologies! You’re a lunatic, you fcuking disturbed twit!
YOu think the average American cares one bit about what happens to a 9/11 terrorist? Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
That’s a strawman, as most americans care a huge bit about what happens to 9/11 terrorists – they want justice served! Which includes the constitutional ideas of no *cruel* and *unusual* punishment you disturbed *sshole!
Torture for this man would be to put him in downtown New York with a sign saying “I killed 3000 of you on 9/11″. I don’t think he would make it more then 5 minutes. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
So now you believe in *mob-justice*?
You’re a sick, pathetic *sshole!
March 15th, 2007 at 11:47 pmNah, fraternities are pro-abortion :)
Comment by JPark
I was falling asleep and you just made me laugh!!
March 15th, 2007 at 11:47 pm#79 I have no clue if it is true or not. Torture surely doesn’t work but I certainly wouldn’t assume the charges are false based on opinion. Some of it is at least true which still squares him as a terrorist not deserving of TP’s friendship and support.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pm#82 I never once said he doesn’t deserve rights. I am against torture 100%. I was pointing out this situation from a political standpoint. Seems to be what most are interested in here anyways.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:51 pmas a terrorist not deserving of TP’s friendship and support.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Lets see if you can learn this. People here dont support or simpathize with terrorists. What people here support is the UPHOLDING of a thing called CONSTITUTION and HUMAN RIGHTS. Hope that that can clarify your blurry POV.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#85 When did anybody…ANYBODY…give support to him???
March 15th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#86 This guy is admitting to planning a hit on Jimmy Carter…when he was 9!!! Yeah, that flies. Everything he says is now tainted because Bush and Company tortured him and made him say what they wanted.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#85 It sounds like you are saying you either approve of terrorists or torture.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:00 am#86 So I assume you are supporting Pace’s right to free speech correct? Would hate for you to be a hypocrit and be yet another to demand he apoligize and be removed. Anyone asking that is obviously against free speech.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:17 amSo I assume you are supporting Pace’s right to free speech correct?
Comment by Roger_Roger
Even idiots are entitled to free speech, of course.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:22 am#90 Sorry RR but Generals don’t HAVE free speech. And if he were so worried about “morality” he would worry about the female soldiers that died because they were too afraid to go to the latrines rather then be raped by the “moral” male soldiers.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amIf generals had a right to free speech Bush would be finished.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:25 am#89 Why are you lefties so concerned about how people may see you? I was simply pointing out that going on TV and defending a terrorists rights may not be a solid political move. I hope you can see that because it’s pretty obvious. I agree that torture is wrong just like I am against the death penalty. Torture would be correct if it actually worked because you would then create a net gain as the rights of the mass’ outweighs the rights of a few. Torture as proven to not be effective thus it nets no good and only bad, thus it should never happen.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:26 amDid I mention that not only was my granny Dutch, but I shot Lincoln>?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:48 amRoger, so…it is all about appearance?
I was simply pointing out that going on TV and defending a terrorists rights may not be a solid political move.
In other words you would not speak out against torture unless it was convenient. Thanks. Very ballsy of you.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:52 am#89 Why are you lefties so concerned about how people may see you? Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Why do you righties project so much? And why are you so concerned about *smearing* other people?
I was simply pointing out that going on TV and defending a terrorists rights may not be a solid political move. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:26 am
STFU you Nazi fcuking *sshole.
I hope you can see that because it’s pretty obvious. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:26 am
What’s obvious, is that you’re a st*pid fcuking nazi that thinks *torture* is a good thing!
I agree that torture is wrong just like I am against the death penalty. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:26 am
B*llshit.
Torture would be correct if it actually worked because you would then create a net gain as the rights of the mass’ outweighs the rights of a few. Torture as proven to not be effective thus it nets no good and only bad, thus it should never happen.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Yet you write a completely inflaming and st*pid post. You’re a complete dumbass.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amRoger_Roger, torture is never correct. And the rights of the Masses do not outweigh the Rights of the Few. That is the whole point of the Bill of Rights. Khalid cannot be guilty of all he has confessed to. In a fair trial, confession by torture is inadmissible; hearsay evidence is inadmissable; and denying the accused the right to face his accusers and to call witnesses in his defence is inexcusable. What does Khalid mean by the word “responsible”? And if he is “responsible” as in ‘guilty’, why did he deny saying to an al Jezeera journalist that he was a commander or insisting that the computers seized were not his and were not used by him. It makes no sense. Crackpots confess to crimes they never committed every day; it is not justice to take them at their word and convict them. The unclassified evidence was useless; it would never have been admissible in a civilian court. Let’s get real: Either terrorism is a crime and should be prosecuted as such or this is a real War on Terror and the terrorists should be treated as Prisoners of War. (And don’t pull that holier than thou stuff about killing civilians; the American military has been targeting civilians ever since Sherman marched to the sea.)
March 16th, 2007 at 12:54 am#86 So I assume you are supporting Pace’s right to free speech correct? Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:17 am
He’s free to be a bigot, ad we’re free to fire him for being one and pushing his bigotry into a social engineering effort.
Would hate for you to be a hypocrit and be yet another to demand he apoligize and be removed. Anyone asking that is obviously against free speech. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 16, 2007 @ 12:17 am
You’re a fcuking moron. Free speech, doesn’t mean free of consequences. Hate speech, is not free speech by the way – *sshole! Would you say it’s free speech of him to say that n*word people are immoral and unfit to serve? Idiot.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:55 amHey, Gonzo, have your stooges ask him if he assassinated Abe Lincoln and I bet he’ll say he did.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:18 amComment by CONservative — March 15, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
So let’s see…so far we know he’s confessed to…letting Rex Grossman lose the Superbowl for Chicago. sigh
March 16th, 2007 at 1:27 amComment by trippin — March 15, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Hey, I don’t know about all that, but there is a blurry picture of a guy lurking around the grassy knoll that was discovered on that recently found Kennedy film. Time for a little more water boarding
Yeah let’s use is on Arlen Specter – he was on the Warren Commission that said Kennedy was shot by a lone gunman. He’s been wothless for longer than most.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amI killed 3000 of you on 9/11″. I don’t think he would make it more then 5 minutes.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Why don’t you see how long George Bush would last with a sign saying I let 3,000 brave, honorable service men die in Iraq so my friends could make big profits. I bet they go after Bush first.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:40 ambut this certainly isn’t a winnable political pointComment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
March 16th, 2007 at 1:43 amAnd again we’re not taking political pointers from you. Democrats don’t need campaign help from Rove groupies. We’re not trying to appeal to your voters. And we wouldn’t tolerate the kind of dirty tricks you and your ilk so love. That’s your party not ours.
So I assume you are supporting Pace’s right to free speech correct?
Comment by Roger_Roger
If people here didn’t believe in free speech you would be gone wouldn’t you Roger?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:47 amI’m soooo confused. I thought that Bin Laden was the “Mastermind”.
Oh, I forgot… we now live in Bushes Bizarro World where black is white and white is black.
Carry on then.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:15 amEither way, I feel safer with that bad guy off the street.
Comment by Jake
Yes, the bad man is no longer able to hurt you.
We know that all you Neocons are so afraid of your own shadows, that you are willing to trade your freedoms, for protection from the Boogieman.
Too bad you can’t be like the rest of us.
I am willing to give up some safety in order to keep my freedoms, but allas, most people are scaredy cats like you, so we all now have to give away our rights so people like you can sleep well at night.
Poor baby.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:20 amSo, now, you don’t even think that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was involved in planning 9/11?! But you probably don’t think any Jews died in the WTC either, huh?
Comment by Jake
Silly me, I thought that Bin Laden was behind it.
Oh well.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:21 amSomeone did… why are you saying bush did it? I thought you were a republican? Why not blame Osama… hey check out this guy Jake saying bush is the one that planted demolition explosives in the 911 towers…. talking about tin foil hat! Was bush even in NY on the weekend before 911?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Errr, I know… CLINTON DID IT!!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:22 amI think 9/11 made a lot of people aware of what is really going on in the world.
As Bush said famously: you are either with us,or against us.
Well,theres a hell of a lot of people against Bush,
so much is clear.
To become a soldier,you have to make a conscious choice.
A soldier has to be prepared to go and fight in a war
that was thought of by politicians.
A soldier has to be prepared to kill on command.
It is everyones individual choice to make this decision.
Live by the sword,die by the sword.
The Vietnam war and many wars before that should be
enough of an example.
To become a soldier just to get a free education strikes me
as opportunist and mercenary.
Soldiers are paid by the government to kill.
Everyone knows that.
When I was 17 we had conscription in Germany
I was supposed to serve my Fatherland (Germany) as
part of the NATO in Vietnam.
I refused to become a soldier,beccause I was against the Vietnam war.The price I paid was that I had to leave
home and start a new life in Australia.
I never regretted standing up for what I believed in.
If you become a soldier and invade foreign countries,
there will be other soldiers there,to defend their land
and blow your head off.
Is that a wise carreer move?
March 16th, 2007 at 5:16 amI dont think so!
Would it be possible to get KSM to also confess (in writing) to stealing my laptop? That will help speed up the insurance claim.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:22 amPlanned attacks:- Sears Tower in Chicago
- Empire State Building in New York
- New York Stock Exchange
- Nuclear power plants and suspension
bridges in New York
- US and Israeli embassies in Asia
and Australia
- Library Tower, Los Angeles
- US naval vessels and oil tankers
around the world
- Panama Canal
- Big Ben clocktower in London
- Heathrow airport
- Shoe bombing by Richard Reid on
trans-Atlantic flight
Thats strange I dont see and targets in Oslo, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Russia, Japan, Botswana
To all you pathetic Blind republicans brown nosers – Why are America, Britain the only targets …….. Could it be our foreign policy
March 16th, 2007 at 5:29 amSo, after months of torture, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses to being behind everything from 9-11 to Bali to Germany and maybe even to assasinating the Arch Duke in Bosnia and then (for fear of further abuse) says he didn’t make this statements under duress! Well, I’m convinced. Convinced that the neocons are trying to recover some sembance of credibility and support . . .
March 16th, 2007 at 8:16 amNow, here’s an interesting article I heard about on Malloy’s show last night…it seems that this guy was killed in 2002.
Just can’t trust what you hear on the news these days, particularly with such a bunch of lying bastards in high office.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.html
March 16th, 2007 at 8:38 amI hope it’s ok to doublepost on related threads. The following comments were also posted on the second KSM thread at TP today.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:02 pmApparently Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) has also confessed to tempting Jesus while he was nailed to the cross. Black humor aside, the story of KSM raises a number of troubling issues.
In the first place torture is profoundly immoral and is never acceptable under any circumstances. The actual purposes of torture are primarily twofold:
1) To create an atmosphere of psychological oppression and intimidation, in order to maintain the power of a totalitarian or authoritarian regime.
2) To generate false confessions and ultimately propaganda in order to control and confuse the populace
Torture has nothing to do with creating useful intelligence. Anyone who claims otherwise is either sadly misinformed or is attempting to obfuscate the issue, otherwise known as lying through your teeth. In addition, the torture of Jose Padilla to the point of insanity, using the techniques developed by Allen Dulles’s MK-ULTRA mind control program, is another disgusting crime committed by the Bush Crime Family (BCF) (credit to Mike Malloy for the use of this phrase). (See link here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2019580,00.html )
I believe even more sinister issues are afoot here. Since the 1980’s massive amounts of money, perhaps as much as $40 billion have been funneled to the Taliban and the mujaheddin, including Al Qaeda, by the Saudis and the CIA using Pakistani’s ISI (secret service) as an intermediary. This support continues to this day. KSM is a member of the ISI. (Link here: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=isi )
Torturing him means that any statements that he makes in court are inadmissible and undermines the credibility of any assertions he makes regarding these dark connections between the BCF and the ISI/KSM. LondonYank has an excellent post at Daily Kos entitled, “The REAL Reason for Secret Tribunals?â€, where he makes this point in an extremely thorough manner. (Link here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/18/82548/4524 )