Senate rejects Iraq withdrawal bill,
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March 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmOnce again, the Republicans block.
Anybody who thinks the Democratic party runs the Senate is high.
So, when the trolls like Roger_Roger say “The Dems control Congress” remind them that the Dems only control the House of Representatives.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:27 pm58,209
March 15th, 2007 at 4:27 pmSpudge_Boy:
Now you know what it felt like when the Democrats blocked well-qualified judges.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWho’s playing “politics” now?
Yep. Still the ReichWingNuts.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmA conservative hack does not a well-qualified candidate make.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSponge – I agree the Dems hold the narrowest of margins in the Senate. But considering the “get re-elected mentality of most politicians, should they not jump on board the “out of Iraq” train before it leaves the station? If the American public is as incensed about this war as Progressives claim – is it not political suicide for Senators to oppose an Iraq withdrawal?
March 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pmIraqi Leader’s Catch-22 Over Oil Law
The Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, fears the Americans will torpedo his government if his parliament does not pass Iraq’s controversial oil law.
In what could be construed as diplomatic blackmail, American support for the al-Maliki administration is dependent on passage of the Oil Law which essentially gives control of Iraq’s oil wealth to foreign oil companies.
al-Maliki associates said that U.S. officials have told the prime minister that President Bush was committed to the current government but continued White House support depended on positive action on the oil law by the close of this parliamentary session June 30. “Al-Maliki is committed to meeting the deadline because he is convinced he would not survive in power without U.S. support,†one of the associates said.
So Mr al-Maliki is caught is a classic Catch-22. If he wants to survive politically he has to pass an oil law that robs his people of their oil wealth. If he doesn’t pass the oil law, he is out of a job…
March 15th, 2007 at 4:45 pmWe can’t simply leave Iraq folks. We currently have remaining vital national security interests in Iraq. The United States security would be undermined if parts of iraq turned into a Failed state. Failed states turn into a test dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda. Afterall, this place is right in the heart of the oil region. It is also directly in opposition to the interests of Israel to leave Iraq. It is vital that we keep force levels, resources and operations level as it is an essential stabilizing element in Iraq.
The Senate regreted this bill because of these reasons afterall.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pmDespite the recent US troop surge, neither the Americans nor the Iraqi regime enjoy popular support in Baghdad’s sectarian enclaves.
Iraq is in a state of civil war. The Pentagon has admitted it for the first time with a new report revealing violence in the country has now reached a new high.
Officials say a struggle for power between sectarian groups is now the main feature of the conflict.
The Americans are confident that their massive security crackdown has begun to reduce that violence – at least in Baghdad.
But a closer look at two sectarian strongholds – Sunni Adhamiya and the Shia suburb of Sadr City – shows few signs that the US army and the Iraqi regime have much popular support.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:51 pm“We can’t simply leave Iraq folks. We currently have remaining vital national security interests in Iraq. The United States security would be undermined if parts of iraq turned into a Failed state. Failed states turn into a test dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda. Afterall, this place is right in the heart of the oil region. It is also directly in opposition to the interests of Israel to leave Iraq. It is vital that we keep force levels, resources and operations level as it is an essential stabilizing element in Iraq.
The Senate regreted this bill because of these reasons afterall.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 4:46 pm”
And Preytell, what are our interrests?? OIL??
I would rather have put that TRILLIONS to better use here in the USA! Instead we are worrying about what goes on overseas rather than our own country.
Republicans only worry about MONEY……. You know I thought Republicans were suppose to be the GREAT christian believers????? I think there is some commandment that states something like “thou shall not have no other god besides me”…….
I would say that the need to take other peoples things in need of that IDOL “money” that this is in itsself a sin.
You people are so sick that rather than worrying about the gene for homosexuals, we really need to find that gene that makes people Republicans. Once that gene is fixed, the world will be MUCH more peaceful.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmRoger, Roger, Roger – You silly boy! Progressives do NOT consider oil a “vital national interest”. If they did, we would be drilling in ANWR as I type. Too many Progressives care more about animals and plants than people. I am ALL for alternative fuel so we can sever our ties and dependence on people who are not, and never were, our allies.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:57 pmObstructionists!! Who do they think they are? They are the minority and I am sure all the Conservatives here will agree with me that the minority has no ight to be obstructing what the majority wants. I mean thats what the Conservatives believe. I heard many say it in years past and it still holds true. The Republicans should just roll over and wait till 2008 to try and get back the majority.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:57 pmObstructionists!
March 15th, 2007 at 4:58 pmhey TP!??
it took me a while to find it, but could THIS be the link
you were trying to post?
Iraq war withdrawal bill hits a wall in Senate
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11100906/
you’re welcome…
March 15th, 2007 at 5:00 pmRemove Bush – You whine about money – and claim “it better to put Trillions to better use here in the USA…..Republicans only worry about MONEY”. Hypocrite! Pot – meet kettle.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:00 pmdlet – We learned from the best “obstructionists” – the Democrat Party.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pmJust keep reminding the voters: This is George Bush’s war. This is the Republicans’ war. If you want out of Iraq, vote Democratic.
Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat . . . . . .
March 15th, 2007 at 5:03 pmYes.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:06 pm“Remove Bush – You whine about money – and claim “it better to put Trillions to better use here in the USA…..Republicans only worry about MONEYâ€. Hypocrite! Pot – meet kettle.
Comment by valiant venus — March 15, 2007 @ 5:00 pm”
Hey FOOL!!!!
It’s not being a “Hypocrite” for christs sake……
If you don’t think that those TRILLIONS of dollars could have better suited our country then you are just freeking lying through your arse!
There is nothing about what I said that presents the SMALLEST notion of Hypocricy!
You don’t think that that money could have been applied to Katrina recovery and rebuilding???? If you don’t then you are truely a FOOL.
It could have installed better inspection systems for our cargo, better border control, etc. etc. etc……
What do we have to show for the TRILLIONS you mindless FOOL????? 3200 dead soldiers on an ILLEGAL war and over 30,000 wounded and 650,000 dead Iraqi civilians.
Yeah…… That’s a better way to spend our money….. MORON!!!
March 15th, 2007 at 5:08 pm#18, except the Democrats that were elected can’t seem to agree on an ‘exit strategy’. Some say immediately, some say not until Sept 08; Hillary says that we should keep a small force in Iraq indefinitely (although not trying to stop any ethnic cleansing).
March 15th, 2007 at 5:09 pmHonestly folks are you for simply leaving Iraq? We would lose our remaining vital national security interest including the Oil. Furthermore, us leaving would be against the interests of Israel. I personally think it is vital we keep forces in Iraq and keep the resources they need there as well. Our forces in Iraq are the stablizing element afterall. This seems like a solid, logical, and incredible intelligent plan almost everyone would agree with.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:11 pmIt is vital that we keep force levels, resources and operations level as it is an essential stabilizing element in Iraq.
The Senate regreted this bill because of these reasons afterall.
Comment by Roger_Roger
If this is stability, I’d hate to see what Iraq would look like in chaos.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:17 pm“Honestly folks are you for simply leaving Iraq? We would lose our remaining vital national security interest including the Oil. Furthermore, us leaving would be against the interests of Israel. I personally think it is vital we keep forces in Iraq and keep the resources they need there as well. Our forces in Iraq are the stablizing element afterall. This seems like a solid, logical, and incredible intelligent plan almost everyone would agree with.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 5:11 pm”
Screw Isreal…… No I’m not anit-semetic….. I just don’t see the need to protect someone who actually causes more trouble for us then provides benefits…. Really, just tell me what have they done for the US????
Anyone…. Anyone…..
Why are the Republicans so worried about OIL??????
We have enough OIL here to sustain us until we can get off it in the next 10 years.
The only reason is because you people want to conque the world and rule like kings…..
Screw Iraq….. They don’t want us there, as many polls have shown. If they did they would have stood up by now. We have given them plenty of opportunity to show us they want to control their own country, and to this day they have not.
Don’t give me this, but they voted…… How many elections did they have? ONE. How many PM’s have they had???? THREE.
I’m sorry but my math skills are good enough to know that the government is a farce, hence the threat that Bush is giving to Iraq to pass this Oil bill for his Oil butt buddies.
I say pull out and let that part of the world step up to the plate and deal with it…. They are closer and it effects them more than it does us.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:17 pmI’ll give you one reason… Israel has nukes… many Arab nations have sworn to destroy Israel… if the Israelis find themselves backed into a corner, fighting for their very survival, they WILL use nukes. Anybody want to see a nuclear war erupt?
March 15th, 2007 at 5:28 pmOBSTRUCTIONISTS, THINE NAME BE repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderms of the G(houlish) O(pportunistic) P(edophile) party!!!!!
March 15th, 2007 at 5:28 pmINTRODUCE IT, AGAIN. Keep introducing it every week, until either 2008 or until 50% of the Repubs are charged with perjury and obstruction. I guarantee ya, that won’t be long off in the future, at all. Goddamned f*wads!
March 15th, 2007 at 5:33 pm“I’ll give you one reason… Israel has nukes… many Arab nations have sworn to destroy Israel… if the Israelis find themselves backed into a corner, fighting for their very survival, they WILL use nukes. Anybody want to see a nuclear war erupt?
Comment by Dale — March 15, 2007 @ 5:28 pm”
Your gonna have to do better than that…..
What have they done for the US????? What bennefit do they provide that we shape our policies around them???
Let them use the bomb. Either it will stop the problem or it will cause surrounding countries to get into the battle and deal with the problem. This is something the countries over their should be dealing with.
Like if we were in a battle here…. I would expect Canada and Mexico to participate as they would have an interrest in assisting us. There is no real support for us over there so let’s just get the HELL OUT!!!
We are burning our resourses and wasting lives for an ILLEGAL war!
March 15th, 2007 at 5:34 pmno Roger is right.We must stay and protect the vital interests of our oil companies as they seek more obscene, record breaking profits at the cost of 100,s of 1000,s of Iraqi and American lives !
March 15th, 2007 at 5:41 pmAnd lets not forget the security of the worlds most problematic nation as it shows it’s uncanny style of self restraint , destroying the infrastructure of the mid easts once best democracy ,building new Jews only settlements on the lands of another people ,( non jewish ).
I mean when are the Iraqi’sgoing to “stand up” and reclaim the country colonial England created for them .So ungrateful , and after our liberating them ,even going so far as to redecorate Falluja ,they still don’t like us .
have we tried blankets with small pox , that work with the indian .
no no dale the Isreali’s don’t have nukes .
March 15th, 2007 at 5:45 pmTHE WORLDS MOST STAGGERING DOUBLE STANDARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Screw Isreal…… No I’m not anit-semetic….. I just don’t see the need to protect someone who actually causes more trouble for us then provides benefits…. Really, just tell me what have they done for the US????”
Do you even read your posts before you hit the button?
Israel has been our most steadfast triend in terms of intelligence and occasionally doing the dirty work for the US. I send a big SWAK to Israel for taking out Saddam’s nuclear reactor back in the 80’s. No ones intelligence operation is as efficient as the Mossad. The Mossad did not have to contend with the likes of Jimmy Carter gutting the CIA.
I think I’ll transfer your anti-Semitic (don’t kid yourself – you are an anti-Semite) attitude to whatever species might be interrupted in ANWR – they sure are causing “alot more trouble than benefits”.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:46 pmFreeman, Lily, removebush, and all you other crazy libs. This is why I love TP. Lets break down what I just said and compair it to, oh, Hillary Clinton:
ME: We can’t simply leave Iraq folks. We currently have remaining vital national security interests in Iraq.
Hillary Clinton: “There are remaining vital national security interests in Iraq that would require a continuing deployment of American troops.â€
ME: The United States security would be undermined if parts of iraq turned into a Failed state. Failed states turn into a test dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda. Afterall, this place is right in the heart of the oil region. It is also directly in opposition to the interests of Israel to leave Iraq.
Hilliry Clinton: “The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda. It is right in the heart of the oil region and it is directly in opposition to our interests, to Israel’s interests.â€
ME: It is vital that we keep force levels, resources and operations level as it is an essential stabilizing element in Iraq.
Hillary Clinton: “Coalition capabilities, including keeping force levels stable, keeping resources and operations stable, remain an essential stabilizing element in Iraq.â€
So, my guess is you will now go on defense and defend you lovely presidental canidate even though you just went on and on attempting to disagree with me. Folks, my comments were a cut and paste job using Clinton quotes. You just spent the last 30 minutes arguing and disagreeing with me. In reality, you just said those things to Clinton, your Dem leader. Wow this is fun using her words. Ok, lets see the defense and the backstepping.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:47 pm“What have they done for the US????? What bennefit do they provide that we shape our policies around them???”
Thank you for proving through your posts that the “unselfish, kindly Progressive is a MYTH“…. Your ilk cares more about a kangaroo-rat or squirrel darter than people who were murdered in the Holocaust.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:52 pmLets see a country who steals state secrets from their friend while receiving un godly amounts of money in exchange for nothing .Who is building a racist state ,while the rest of the world attempts to look beyond race, on stolen land .
March 15th, 2007 at 6:00 pmA country that holds such sway over American politics( with a lobby that would be illegal in other countries )while doling out large sums of probably our own money to buy elections in this country buying politicians with such alacrity that they can do no wrong in the eyes of everyone except the rest of the world .
Its like I said about V V yesterday.With friends like that ,who needs enemies! ( but they’ve got that covered for us too )
Roger I’m an independent and I will not be voting for hillary .
March 15th, 2007 at 6:01 pm.And at what point do we stop considering the jews different from everyone else and part of the human race.
An eye for an eye to make the world blind Gahndi
He hurt me ,he beat me, he abused me
March 15th, 2007 at 6:11 pmlive with such thoughts and live in hate
He hurt me he beat me he abused me
renounce such thoughts and live in LOVE Gautama the Buddha
If caring as much about the Lebanese or Iraqi’s as for the Jews makes me anti Semitic ,I’ll wear the title proudly .
March 15th, 2007 at 6:15 pmONE WORLD ONE PEOPLE ONE DESTINY ! BOB MARLEY
March 15th, 2007 at 6:19 pmLOVE YOUR ENEMIES JESUS
March 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYes – I’m all for leaving Iraq – tomorrow, now, last week.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:21 pm“And at what point do we stop considering the jews different from everyone else and part of the human race.”
Probably when the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, President Ahmidinejead and their ilk die.
I have great empathy for the Lebanese, who have been overrun and out-manuvered by Hezbollah. The faster Hezbollah and Hamas are history – as well as our dependence on foreign oil, the better off we will be.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:30 pmComment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Roger_Rhetoric is posting this across multiple threads. He thinks it’s the absolute height of cleverness to rephrase Hillary Clinton’s screed as his own, and then laugh and point when we disagree with him.
What Roger_Rhetoric can’s seem to understand (no matter how many times he is told) is that very few of us embrace Hillary’s views. That doesn’t stop him, though…failure to understand has never been a serious impediment to Roger_Rhetoric’s rhetoric.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#40 And yet you support a party that is voting yes to extend the war and give Bush every single penny he asked for. Please explain how that works.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:36 pmAt this point, anyone who supports Hillary Clinton has to support the Iraq war and keeping thousands of troops in Iraq indefinetly. Does TP support Hillary these days? :)
March 15th, 2007 at 6:37 pmTripmaster,
Whether you want to admit it or not, TP is a very PRO-Hillary site. Hell, when it comes to president canidates, Hillary gets most all the ink. After these quotes from HIllary, I would expect TP to demand Hillary apoligize at once or tell her they will publicly announce they do not support her. Of course hell will freeze over before a website funded by Hillary’s own friends would not support her so the hypocrisy continues. Deny it all you want, but I’ll keep reposting these quotes everytime TP makes another Pro Hillary post just to prove how hyprocritical they are being.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pmComment by Roger_Roger
Hillary is wrong. America has survived all these years just fine without being a colonial power in Iraq. Iraq was able to stay out of a civil war for many years without our intervention. If we leave Iraq… and when (not if) but when Al Qeada types come together and make “enclaves” then they have made it possible for us to target them and blow them up without having an occupation on the ground.
Every single time they regroup you bomb them again. And dont say we cant be bombing people in a country if that country has terrorist camps and that country just got the shit kicked out of it by us then I dont see how we would have any reason to hold back our missle armed predator drones.
You guys dont have a better plan. You shot your wad back in 2003 and ever since you have had no plan beyond lets not admit we are incompetent by staying the coarse.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:16 pm“So, my guess is you will now go on defense and defend you lovely presidental canidate even though you just went on and on attempting to disagree with me. Folks, my comments were a cut and paste job using Clinton quotes. You just spent the last 30 minutes arguing and disagreeing with me. In reality, you just said those things to Clinton, your Dem leader. Wow this is fun using her words. Ok, lets see the defense and the backstepping.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 15, 2007 @ 5:47 pm”
Roger Squared…..
There is no “backstepping” from me….. I still hold my position and as far as I’m concerned Hillary should not become president….. I don’t know what you are trying to prove…… Ohhhhh maybe that I will continue to stand my ground??????
I don’t care if statements like that come from you or from Hillary. I stand by what I said, we need to pull our resources out of this quagmire and focus on our country.
Now what’s next, cow tippin?
March 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmRepublican = obstructionist.
March 15th, 2007 at 7:35 pm#3
March 15th, 2007 at 7:36 pmyou are irrelevant.
Every Liberal Progressive should…
…email Codepink…
…and tell them they should…
…camp/protest outside the offices and homes of…
…the TREASONOUS obstructionist Repulsivescum…
…and conned’self-servative Bluedog Democratic TRAITORS…
…(Ben Nelson)…
…and so-called (Jake) Independents like (TRAITOR JOE LIEvermin)…
…instead of bugging Nancy Pelosi and David Obey…
…who are doing the best they can…
March 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pmWow, this thread is full of trolls. They are avoiding the ones where Republicans are getting their asses whipped. Pussies.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pm#51 Your probably right. I should try some other threads to. It is just to fun to show the hypocracy of Hillary when TP tries so hard to push Hillary’s agenda alongside an anti war one. I still am amazed this crowd gives them a pass on it.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:14 pm#52 You are not going to get any argument from me about Hillary. I would guess about 10% (if that) are Hill fans, though. I think you are barking up the wrong tree.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:20 pm#53 THis is the right tree. TP is the largest HIllary fan in the country. The folks on this site need the real info because TP tries to distort the real HIllary for her gain.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pm