VIDEO: Valerie Plame Confirms Her Covert Status Prior To Novak Leak
VIDEO: Valerie Plame Confirms Her Covert Status Prior To Novak Leak
This morning, in her testimony under oath before the House Government and Oversight Committee, Valerie Plame Wilson asserted that she was in fact a covert officer at the time that columnist Robert Novak revealed her employment at the CIA. “In the run-up to the war with Iraq, I worked in the Counterproliferation Division of the CIA, still as a covert officer whose affiliation with the CIA was classified,” Plame sad in her opening testimony.
She added, “While I helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington, I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence.” Watch it:
The right-wing, aided by the mainstream media, have engaged in an unhalting effort to spread false claims that Plame was not covert, despite the fact that the CIA, Plame’s former colleagues, and Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald have all previously reported that she was covert. The conviction of Scooter Libby only intensified conservatives’ efforts to further propagate their lie:
Washington Post editorial: “The trial has provided…no evidence that she was, in fact, covert.” [Washingotn Post, 3/7/07]
Mort Kondracke: “I frankly don’t think since Valerie Plame was not a covert officer that there was a crime here.” [Fox, 3/9/07]
Sean Hannity: “She did not meet the criteria, in any way, shape, matter or form as a covert agent.” [Fox, 3/6/07]
Robert Novak: “No evidence that she was a covert agent was ever presented to the jury.” [Fox, 3/6/07]
Brit Hume: “Whether the woman was covert, Valerie Plame was covert within the meaning of the law, remains at this point, still unclear. Unlikely she was.” [Fox, 3/6/07]
Victoria Toensing: “Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak’s column.” [Washington Post, 2/18/07]
We await their apologies and statements of correction.
UPDATE: On September 30, 2003, National Review editor Jonah Goldberg claimed, “Wilson’s wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already.” But today Plame rebutted Goldberg, stating, “It was not common knowledge on the Georgetown cocktail circuit that everyone knew where I worked.”
Transcript:
My name is Valerie Plame Wilson, and I am honored to have been invited to testify under oath before the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on the critical issue of safeguarding classified information.
I am grateful for this opportunity to set the record straight.
I’ve served the United States loyally and to the best of my ability as a covert operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency. I worked on behalf of the national security of our country, on behalf of the people of the United States, until my name and true affiliation were exposed in the national media on July 14th, 2003, after a leak by an administration official.
Today I can tell this committee even more.
In the run-up to the war with Iraq, I worked in the Counterproliferation Division of the CIA, still as a covert officer whose affiliation with the CIA was classified. I raced to discover solid intelligence for senior policymakers on Iraq’s presumed weapons of mass destruction program.
While I helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington, I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence.
I loved my career, because I love my country. I was proud of the serious responsibilities entrusted to me as a CIA covert operations officer. And I was dedicated to this work.
It was not common knowledge on the Georgetown cocktail circuit that everyone knew where I worked. But all of my efforts on behalf of the national security of the United States, all of my training, all the value of my years of service, were abruptly ended when my name and identity were exposed irresponsibly.
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She wouldn’t lie..LOL
March 16th, 2007 at 11:22 amHer job ended when she sent her idiot husband to Niger.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:23 amneither would Bush or Cheney, right, Patrick1?
March 16th, 2007 at 11:23 amI also like the picture with the moonbat on the backrow….liberals fools are like flies all over crap.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:23 amBut you would lie, Patrick.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:24 am#1 – But you would.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:25 amPatrick it states in Scooter’s indictment that she was undercover at the time.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:25 amWho knew Virginia Madsen was that deep cover!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:26 amSo now if she lied under oath she will be prosecuted. See how easy it is to tell the truth.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amIMPEACH!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amIf she was covert she had to be the worst covert agent in CIA history.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amIt was brought up during the hearings that Victoria Toensing was going to testify today that she was not. How would she know? I can’t wait to hear her spin this.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amI am amazed that these right-wing hacks seem to know about the inner works of the CIA and it’s covert agents.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amGOPers twist facts into pretzels, and lie about everything, so they tried to claim that Valarie Plame Wilson was an openly known CIA agent, when she was in fact an undercover operative.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:28 amI like how the code pink lady is in the background. IMPEACH.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:28 am#2 Her job ending by doing her job? (The CIA sent her husband)
March 16th, 2007 at 11:28 amPatrick > calm down > you would be the worst CIA agent in history > lol.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:29 amEven if she was the worst Patrick1, its still illegal to out her, I think its treason.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:30 amPatrick it states in Scooter’s indictment that she was undercover at the time.
Comment by ForTruth — March 16, 2007 @ 11:25 am
Salient observation, but it is well-established that facts mean nothing to this idiot.
Patrick, shouldn’t you be back at the Walter Reed thread answering my questions?
March 16th, 2007 at 11:30 amKKKarl Rove must have not stopped off at Krispy Kreme’s today : working overtime crafting a political diversion away from Goonzales and the Plame testimony.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:31 amIf she was covert she had to be the worst covert agent in CIA history.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Watch poor little Patrick scramble back and frantically retrench. Again. And again. And again…
March 16th, 2007 at 11:31 amHey Patrick, stop making it about liberals Vs. consevatives and start making it about truth vs lies. How anyone could defend Cheney or Bush on this is beyond any level headed American’s comprehension. IMPEACH!!!!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:32 amTroll Alert: Everyone ignore Patrick 1
March 16th, 2007 at 11:32 amPatrick1 says “…if she was covert she had to be the worst…” Dumbass, the fact that you say “if” belies the fact that NOBODY KNEW SHE WAS AN AGENT prior to her being outed by the senior figures of the Bush administration – hence SHE WAS A DAMN GOOD COVERT AGENT. Bush1 said that anyone outing a CIA agent ought to be burned at the stake. I agree.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amsome of you just love the blame game …what your forgetting here is whether she was covert or not, doesn’t make it right what (they) did to her …it’s like saying “she wasn’t covert so screw her to the wall?” ~you’re pathetic
March 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amSSHHHH!!! dont tell Sean, Rush, Medved, Coulter, NOvak, the right wing slime machine, or all of Faux “news”. It could ruin their coverage of Anna Nicole, Brittany spears,and Duke Lacross updates.
The silence on Faux “news” will be deafening tonight. I’ll bet colmes does not even mention it. not to mention O’Lielly
March 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amOK, Patrick1,
There’s her written testimony. Refute it with facts, please. Provide links.
No? …
I thought not.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:34 amWell done, Valerie Wilson.
If Patrick is any indication, the trolls will be in a frothing frenzy today.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:34 am[...] Valerie Plame’s testimony has established, yet again, that she was a covert agent. [...]
March 16th, 2007 at 11:34 amPatrick1 sez:
Well, Patrick, she is under oath, so if her statements are found to be false, she’s liable to prosecution.
On the other hand, you lords and masters refuse to testify under oath at all…got anything to say about that?
March 16th, 2007 at 11:34 amIt is good however, that this Al Qaeda mole is no longer in the CIA.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:35 amPatrick, You need to but down the Jim Jones brand GOP kool-aide and read a fricking newspaper or a different channel than Faux. you are embarrassing yourself and your party (if that can be any worse) with your blatent disregard for the facts or just plain ignorance. you choose.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:35 amFor all the latest CIA leak/PlameGate, legal documents, timelines and other essential materials surrounding the Bush administration’s outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame and its politics of payback against Joseph Wilson, see:
March 16th, 2007 at 11:37 am“The CIA Leak/PlameGate Resource Center.”
She wouldn’t lie..LOL
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007
George W. Bush’s new CIA Chief General Hayden confirmed that she was “a covert operative”.
Are you calling George W. Bush’s new CIA Chief a liar?
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 11:38 amI have a few minutes and no brains to spare and I am looking for a job. Where do I apply to be Patsy’s replacement? It would be hard work pushing the Refresh button on TP to be the first to comment on a post and obviously it is impossible for Patsy to think up a meaningful reply on such short notice. I have a quick trigger finger (and a middle one for Patsy as well) and a book called “14,000 Quips and Quotes” that I could use so at least my comments might get a chuckle or two.
To stay on thread I submit the only thing overt about the Plame affair was the complete Bushco lack of brains.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:38 am“if i wear camouflage, how will people see me?”
March 16th, 2007 at 11:40 am–patrick1
Republicans lie under oath. Repeatedly.
Ollie North was turned into a Republican icon for lying to Congress.
The truth means nothing to Republican authoritarian worshippers.
Hey Patrick, Karl Rove dunks his balls in the Kool-Aid that you drink daily.
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 11:40 amThank you, Angry One
March 16th, 2007 at 11:40 am“It is good however, that this Al Qaeda mole is no longer in the CIA.”
you mean repub rep dana rohrbacher?
March 16th, 2007 at 11:40 amWe should pity Patrick1 somewhat. After all it is hard to struggle with cognitive dissonance. Lack of integrity and arrogance helps but it is still a struggle. I am sure Patrick1 will come through this though and be the same blind sycophant he was before.
I am here to support you Patrick1 in time of need. Just ask buddy, I will do what I can.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amIs this official enough for the wingnuts?
The question of whether Plame was a “covert” agent when her identity was revealed in 2003 has been greatly debated. The issue is important because leaking the name of a “covert” agent violates a specific law designed to protect such operatives.
Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., just said he has been told by the CIA, in a statement authorized by CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, that “Miss Wilson’s CIA employment status was covert.”
March 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amCan’t wait for sticky vicky…..
March 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amPatrick1,
You really are a goof, aren’t you!
Please provide facts, and links if possible, proclaiming that she was an Al Qaeda
mole.
Also, please refute this statement, made under oath:
While I helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington, I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence
Please take your time in not responding.
Ohhhh, for extra credit, please compare and contrast Clinton’s oral favors as an impeachment offense to this administrations outing of a covert CIA agent gathering important, imperative security information around the globe.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amPlease, do take your time in not debating
Good for you, Valerie, standing up to this puke and bile-ridden administration. Good for any of us that do the same. Anyone that continues to support this administration is, as far as I’m concerned, part of it and liable for whatever punishment befalls. I would love to see them all interned in a terrorist prison camp, personally. That’s where they conduct thier best business and professional work, anyway.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:43 amNo question that she may have been covert, but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:43 amPatrick 1 just needs a swift kick in the balls. Hey Patrick …how would you like me to kick you so hard your nuts get lodged in your nostrils? Better yet, come on up to Alaska, I’ll take you on a “hunting trip”:)
March 16th, 2007 at 11:45 amI think they’re trying to distract everyone from the 400 lb. gorilla in the center of the room, which is the fact they’re basically admitting they were using revenge tactics to smear, regardless if she was covert or overt, which of course, is besides the point.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:47 amHer job ended when she sent her idiot husband to Niger.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 11:23 am
it has been proven in court that she did not in fact send her husband there. 3 members of the cia testified that they cia did.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:47 amShe wouldn’t lie..LOL
Comment by Patrick1
Who is this Patsy person? She sounds a little angry. Maybe she needs to go potty- and I mean the real potty, not in her panties- like a bad, little girl.
XO- R
March 16th, 2007 at 11:49 am“No question that she may have been covert, but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.” says someone who spends their time trolling web sites. amusing.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:50 amPeople….. FACTS don’t mean anything to Patrick….
He is so much a lemming that he can’t see any light unless GW yawns…..
Don’t wast your time with him/her/it.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:51 amThat Code Pink PERSON looks like a man. I’m not saying it as an insult, it just really looks like it.
And I’m kind of pissed they were a distraction in the video. It’s fine to distract from the liars of the government, but now we have Plame finally able to speak. Back OFF and let this woman speak. Get you annoying pink outfits out of the frame for a few seconds and let there be some serious talk without the flamboyant wardrobes.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:51 amNo question that she may have been covert, but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.
Comment by Patrick1
The only sensitive information her husband divulged was that the administration was lying. Boy, that’s a traitor for you.
Outing a CIA agent is a federal crime, stupid boy. There is no justification for it, especially when the justification is entirely political.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:52 amPatrick it’s obvious you don’t even believe a word you’re paid to type, for real. So this woman was some kind of traiter because her and her husband dared tell the truth about a Niger transaction and you’re blaming her. Fcuk off dickweed.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:52 amPatrick1,
March 16th, 2007 at 11:52 amYou really are a goof, aren’t you?
No question that she may have been covert
No…..you can’t state a definitive with a doubt, no matter how small.
Let me help your asinine statement.
No question that she was covert.
but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.
Her husband divulged that the Nigerian purchase was bogus, is considered sensitive? And outing Valerie, a covert agent, is an appropriate reprimand?
Dude, are you over compensating for something significantly small, by posting here with complete nonsense?
Just askin…
# 23 – I agree. Truthfully, I must admit that watching the right wing become increasingly illogical is fun. The more reality spreads across their delusions, the more insane they become.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:54 amRepublican Bush Cultists have entered the Kool-Aid/Koresh phase. The truth doesn’t matter, just the ramblings of their exhalted leader.
Time to really ignore these asschappers.
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 11:54 amQuestion they ought to be asking the Bush Admin:
“So, you support mudslinging revenge on those who dare call you out on bogus intelligence as long as it’s considered legal?”
And I thought Jesus Christ was his favorite philosopher, yet Bush has a thing for revenge. Sounds like he follows the Satanic Bible instead.
Hail Satan Bush!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:55 amBill Clinton!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:55 amWell Patrick will be busy tomorrow getting drunk for St. Patricks Day > lol.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:56 amShe wouldn’t lie..LOL
Comment by Patrick1
Who is this Patsy person? She sounds a little angry. Maybe she needs to go potty- and I mean the real potty, not in her panties- like a bad, little girl.
XO- R
March 16th, 2007 at 11:57 amIgnore Patrick1 maybe he’ll go away. Further, what can you say? This administration lies and lies and lies. I hope that sooner or later they are all taken down and exposed for what they are.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:57 amNo question that she may have been covert, but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.
Comment by Patrick1
Hey Patrick you need to reread what you just posted. Do you see how utterly, friggin’ stupid you sound with a lame statement like that?
You need to haul your sad ass back to school before your parents find out you skipped again today.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:57 amMort Kondracke, Sean Hannity, Robert Novak, Brit Hume, Victoria Toensing, et al: We’ll be waiting on the mea culpa’s….
Chirrrrp Chirrrp Creeeeel Creeeeek.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:57 amLOL patrick1nut – your arguments have turned to $h!t when you’ve finally resorted to just yelling “Bill Clinton” …but then I know your fascination with him and your obsessive attention to gay sex gives you such a hardon.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amPatrick1 supports the golden rule of the Satanic Bible:
Revenge.
Jesus loves revenge.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amThe Senate Select Committee on Intelligence disposed of Wilson’s fable on pages 443 – 444 of the report:
… The plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested by the former ambassador’s wife, a CIA employee. The former ambassador’s wife suggested her husband for the trip to Niger in February 2002.
… On February 12, 2002, the former ambassador’s wife sent a memorandum to a Deputy Chief of a division in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations which said, “[m]y husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.”
… Rather than speaking publicly about his actual experiences during his inquiry of the Niger issue, the former ambassador seems to have included information he learned from press accounts and from his beliefs about how the Intelligence Community would have or should have handled the information he provided.
… The former ambassador told Committee staff that he, in fact, did not have access to any of the names and dates in the CIA’s reports and said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct. Of note, the names and dates in the documents that the IAEA found to be incorrect were not names or dates included in the CIA reports.
… While the CIA responded to the Vice President’s request for the Agency’s analysis, they never provided the information gathered by the former Ambassador.
… The Committee found that, for most analysts, the former ambassador’s report lent more credibility, not less, to the reported Niger- Iraq uranium deal.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amI’ll be waiting for you in Hell Patrick1. I can’t wait – I love the taste of souls full of lies and those corrupted with revenge.
March 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amBush and his flunkies would must be squirming in their seats right now. To see Valerie Plame testifying just brings another few days of focus to their politically motivated lies and their blind pursuit of a war in Iraq; a war that has failed on every front.
It must really be horrifying when a plan you’ve been trying to execute for years — the invasion of Iraq — turns out to be an outright failure. Bush has no ideas how to fix it any more. His only hope is to keep this potato up in the air until he leaves office, then blame it on someone else.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pmAnd over on the board where I used to knock my head against the wall, arguing with wingnuts, the spin on this has become: a cohort within the CIA is out to get Bush. That explains the statement from the CIA Director. He’s just another Bush-hater.
So little reality-based thinking.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pmIT’S FRIDAY, YA BASTARDS!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pmPatrick1, keep up the talk – you’re driving more moderates to the left each time you open your fat mouth.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:01 pmQuestions for Plame you won’t hear at this political show trial.
Questions for Valerie Plame Wilson:
Since the CIA maintains an office which is responsible for contacts with the press, on what date did you report your May 2 and 3 contacts with Nicholas Kristof to that office?
Did you also inform that office of the nature of your contacts? Who did you speak to?
Specifically what did you report?
What is the procedure at the CIA for reporting that classified information has been compromised? What typically takes place after a report is made?
Have you ever followed that procedure? How many times, and on what dates?
Did you disclose the nature of the conversations between your husband and reporters to the CIA?
When did you first inform Joe Wilson that you worked for the CIA?
What did you tell him was the nature of your job at the agency?
When you informed him that you worked for the CIA, was he aware that you wanted to keep your identity protected?
Did you and he discuss the methods of keeping your identity protected?
Your name, Valerie Plame, was listed in Who’s Who in America from 1999 through 2005, under your husband’s listing? Did you seek special permission from the CIA to be included in that entry?
Did you accompany Joe Wilson to the 2003 EPIC Iraq forum?
Did your husband consult with you before including your maiden name in his bio published at that conference? Did you seek and obtain permission from the CIA for that disclosure?
Did you discuss this publication with your bosses at Langley?
Is it common practice for CIA agents to donate to political campaigns? When you contributed to the Gore campaign in 1999 under your own name, did you have any obligation to report that to your superiors?
At the time of the alleged disclosure by Richard Armitage that you worked at the agency, your husband was working for the Kerry campaign, correct?
Did you also donate money to Senator Kerry’s campaign? What about organizations trying to help elect Senator Kerry?
When you informed Joe Wilson that you worked at the CIA, did you file a report that your identity had been compromised?
When you became aware that your husband had identified you in Who’s Who in America, did you make a report that your identity had been compromised?
When you learned that your husband had included your name in his bio for the EPIC Iraq forum, did you make a report that your identity had been compromised?
When you learned that Joe Wilson had included your name in his bio at the Middle East Institute, did you make a report that your identity had been compromised?
When you learned that your husband included your name in his bio with the CPS Corporate & Public Strategy Advisory Group, did you make a report that your identity had been compromised?
At anytime did you, or anyone at the CIA, ask Joe Wilson to stop exposing your identity?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“IT’S FRIDAY, YA BASTARDS!”
Obviously a Randi Rhodes listener!!!!
Go Randi!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:04 pmA cohort within the CIA is out to get Bush! That explains the statement from the CIA Director! He’s just another Bush-hater!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:04 pm#66- … You do… ?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWhy even respond to troll patrick?
It is now in the Congressional record that she was in fact covert before she was outed by the CRIMINAL Bush administration.
That he is still disputing FACTS, just shows he is a representative of the 29%ers who barely have enough brain function to keep breathing.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:04 pmPatrick 1,
Read Larry Johnson, former CIA analyst, who takes on those incredibly stupid questions.
Please resume drinking Kool-Aid and fluffing for Rove and Bush.
The jig is up on you clowns.
No Quarter.
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWhat a stupid putz. Patsy gets mad and pasts all over the walls. Bad little girl, Patsy! Just you wait ’til your “Daddy” gets home.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:06 pmPoor Patrick seems to be having a bad day. Have you considered playing in traffic on the DC beltway about 5:00 this afternoon, Pat? That would ease some of your anguish.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:06 pmPatrick can cut & paste. Are you gonna give credit to whoever wrote all those hard questions, Patrick? Cuz we know you couldn’t manage all them words.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIsn’t this little Troll the one who threatened to blow up the NYT building?
What was done to Plame & what Patsy said are both treasonous.
How’s it feel Patsy? Want to expound on anything else?
Just because your head Chimp has some juice now, do you really want to end up where they’re all going?
Could I get some OJ with that waterboarding?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pmAh Patrick1 can copy and paste someone else’s talking points; naturally you couldn’t come up with any of that yourself. Or would it be more accurate to call it Plagiarism?
Plame is not on trial here – she’s not accussed of breaking the law. But you fuxtix love to blame the victim. Somehow, she’s the traitor?
You’re a fake.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThey all love to lie for Charlie – that’s how it works in the family.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pmPeadick1 – I’ve heard of eye tracking problems as a learning disorder but before you nobody’s ever had one eye up his ass and one on his p#nis.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pmNo wonder your the stupidest troll ever. I’m contacting NIH because they should investigate. Maybe scan your brain to see how this happened.
Its possible their are others with the same defect – I suspect about 29% of the country that got us into this pile of shit we’re in.
Oooh patrick1 @ post #71 – you most definitely should’ve been on that panel! And I am MOST positive that in no way would you even be laughed out of court at all! Har-har!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pm“Even though I’m a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors.” -George H.W. Bush
March 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pm#44 Patrick1
No question that she may have been covert, but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.
But you said she wasn’t. And that sensitive information? You mean letting the country know that they were being lied into a war? And then please explain how that justifies exposing a covert agent who is trying to keep terrorists from acquiring nuclear weapons.
You are one f*cked up individual, Patrick1
March 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pmNotice putrick is the only one of our usual trolls who’s stupid enough to take such a position with the obvious 400 LB Gorilla in the room!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pmOK, so now that she has testified under oath that she was a covert officer, and now that it’s been confirmed by CIA director Gates, CAN THEY GET ON WITH IT AND IMPEACH THE BASTARDS????? This is certainly a high crime and misdemeanor … there is clear evidence of a crime here. Between this and the U.S. Attorney fiasco, there’s got to be enough to go on now to institute impeachment proceedings against both Bush and Cheney.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pmUp = down, black is white, clintondidit, clintondidittoo, we’re winning in eye-rack; its’ just that darned pesky LIBURL media covrin’ it up-
March 16th, 2007 at 12:09 pmyou CONTURDS and REPUBLI-SCUM are pathetic.
Now, now, Pats- Let’s not get carried away with ourself, now.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:10 pmComment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Hey, Patrick,
If you’re gonna post pages of cut-n-paste crap, then at least have the minimal intellectual honesty to give credit to the source, rather than try to insinuate that it’s your own work.
I busted rachel’s chops about plagiarism, and I’m not above busting yours for the same reason.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:10 pmLook, sometimes I like the feel of women’s silky underpants against my smoothly shaved skin. Is anything wrong with that?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:10 pmthe only question that needs to be answered is
March 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“so joe wilson was discredited in order for the iraq war to take place: how’s that iraq thing working out?”
I got that list of questions from a very reliable source: Sean Hannity.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pmOh, my GOD!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThis means that Bushiva, L’il Dick and their minons…
…are guilty of TREASON…
…Bushiva couldn’t POSSIBLY have the power to DECLASSIFY the covert status…
…of an agent in the field…
…Imagine the implications of such a thing…
…Congress should DEFINITELY shoot for this one…
…If Bushiva can’t be impeached (or prosecuted) NOW…
…NO public (or private individual) should EVER be prosecuted for…
…TREASON…
March 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThese, (ALL OF THESE) Vile, disgusting republicans in our White House need to be sent to PRISON for the same length of time that Valerie Plame would have been in her grave should she had been killed.
I’m watching this on CSpan now and by GOD these ‘THINGS’ in OUR public buildings must be put out with all HASTE. These narrow minded, foolish, cruel, arrogant, despotic republican criminals.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI can see why they put this Al Qaeda mole on Friday, her testimony has been another disaster for the moonbats.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:13 pmif you noticed, many of the false statements come from Fox News and I wonder why anyone would continue to support a program that continues to preach they are fair and balanced yet provide one sided information? Are there truly that many people in the world that are so ignorant and continue to support such a media outlet? I am not liberal or conservative and figured Fox news was a years ago. I did notice that those who watch Fox, they get their news ONLY from Fox and I have noticed they are usually older individuals….oh yeah, almost all are christian. Seems lies often go with being christian
March 16th, 2007 at 12:13 pmlet’s not forget that the 16 words were removed, even though Mr. Hadley insisted the facts were still just that, because of a controversy, they were removed. Really?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThat’s something I’ve noticed on many forums …funny how religious fundamentalists, Republicunts, and the like have no problems with plagiarizing someone elses work. I’m half surprised the tool can even press Ctrl+C at the same time without blowing a gasket.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pm#91- I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT! HAR-HAR-HARDY-HAR!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pmPatrick 1 just needs a swift kick in the balls.
Comment by eisengard — March 16, 2007 @ 11:45 am
eisengard why so much credit to our little eunich?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThat’s why he’s so confused he spends most of the day with his face in his lap looking for the balls all the other little boys have.
And then there’s the problem with that tiny shriveled up thing he has where the other boys…oh you know
Liberals are out to get me. And so is my neighbor’s dog. He wants to eat me.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pm#87. Unfortunately there isn’t enough here for impeachment Carol. Whats missing is the blowjob to get the Republic Party upset. THEN we’ll have all sorts of impeachment talk. If only we could get someone to volunteer. I wonder if Jeff Gannon would do the honor?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pmAnother thought there Patrick1:
The Republicans can tie this thing up with nice neat bow….all they got to do produce one of Plame’s supervisors who will say she was not covert. Just one….her boss at the time Novak blabbed. Just that one person to contradict her.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for that though Patrick1 you will turn blue and pass out.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pmPatsy, you’d better bail. I think the water’s getting a little high in here!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:16 pmDon’t even try to crack the nut that is Patrick. Rational people are seeing this and have a lot of question now for those people who kept up the lie that she wasn’t covert. Keep in mind the CIA started an investigation at the time to find out who released her identity for this very reason.
People like Patrick are either afraid to connect the dots or afraid someone else will.
The quantity and stupidity of his posts show him and his ilk are very afraid.
Please have someone try to counter this in court. We so need to hear the other side. In court that is.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:16 pmPamela Anderson is my girlfriend. She sends me signals through the TV.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFu*k Patrick1. He is a traitor to this country and should be hung in a public square where all can see what happens to enemies of the state.
Stop wasting your time with that turd.
We now have under oath:
As has been stated before, if this is a lie, she will be prosecuted. If it is the truth, fu*k Patrick1, he is a anti-American Nazi traitor.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#103. Certainly, Patrick, your neighbors dog has better taste than to want to gnaw on a sea cucumber with an IQ of only 4. I think you give yourself WAY too much credit.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:17 pmHahahaha well, I hate to defend Sean but it’s rather illegal to copy and paste his “blame the victim” questions while attempting to take credit for them yourself (until you got busted for it of course).
Why doesn’t Sean focus on the 400 LB gorilla – this administration totally supports revenge smear character assassinations just for pointing out contradictory intelligence information. I guess he’s ok with revenge as long as it’s legal. I bet it won’t make any difference to Jesus.
So why don’t you address that Putrick? Doesn’t the fact that they felt the need to be vengeful clue you in that they were obviously lying just to justify a bogus war.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:17 pmTo the author of comments #91 and #93:
Although it may seem tempting on occasion, please don’t namejack other posters, no matter what the provocation. Namejacking is truly crossing the line….one of the most heinous offenses possible in an online community. Nothing justifies it.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:17 pmWe all know what Patrick is, can we ignore him now?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHow much is Karl Rove paying Patrick1 to troll in here?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:19 pmThe right wing slaps her and her husband around because they claim that the Wilson’s said the VP sent her husband and they also claim she sent her husband. Both are untrue. The office of the VP did not send Joe Wilson and Joe Wilson never claimed that. Also she did not send her husband and they have never proven that she had anything to do with it other than to say that she mentioned him in conversation. What the right wings hate machine avoids is discussing the actual notion that the Niger claims were false, that the White House knew they were false and that the White House still used these known false claims to bolster their case for war.
As to her being covert or not, the right wing hate machine pretty much ignores that it was the CIA that initiated the whole proceedings. They also ignore reality quite easily and in a conscious free manner. Take Novak for instance discussing the trial, true no evidence that she was covert was brought forth at the trial, but that was not the issue, the issue was lying to a grand jury and continuing to lie even when given an opportunity to escape from his lies. Others comment that since she was not covert there was no crime to lie about. Since consensual sex between consenting adults is legal is there an underlying crime when one man lies about his infidelities? Or is that still the worst crime in the history of man kind? But I digress even if you are questioned about what you had for lunch and you purposefully lie about it to a grand jury, you have committed perjury and it is a crime.
Any right wingers care to take this one one…without resorting to the BS answer about his memories benign jumbled because he was a busy man (because you do not rise to that level by being a confused scatterbrain, just as with OJ playing the crippled old man, hint…OJ made his living by 1) controlled violence lasting 5 – 15 seconds and 2) by acting both notions lost on the jury) but please explain in coherent thought exactly why Libby could not seem to tell the truth and why lying to the grand jury is not a crime in this case.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pmPatrick1 keep it up – show the world how you conservatives are a bunch of sexually repressed, bigoted a$$holes…swing those moderates to our side! You’re a better recruiter for libs than Bush was at rallying terrorists against us.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pmSomeone should offer a $10,000 reward to any CIA person who can prove Valerie Plame was not NOC undercover when she was outed.
There’s a $10,000 reward to any Air Force pilot who can verify that they flew with Chimpy in Alabama. So far, nobody has claimed that reward.
Repukes are liars, crooks, and traitors.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pm“I did notice that those who watch Fox, they get their news ONLY from Fox and I have noticed they are usually older individuals….oh yeah, almost all are christian. Seems lies often go with being christian
Comment by beijair — March 16, 2007 @ 12:13 pm”
You hit the nail on the head…….
I have a friend who is in his mid 40’s, and a christian, who only watches FOX news. When we talk politics, which is rare now because I provide facts that he did not get from FOX, he is spouting the same nonsense that is aired by FOX.
I have asked him how FOX is “fair and balanced” when they really don’t present both sides of the story, and he tried to claim they do…. I nailed him on that once.
It’s really sad that FOX can program intelligent people like my friend….
March 16th, 2007 at 12:21 pmA-hem! You know… This Valerie Plame testimony is going to wreck havoc on the already existing, ongoing U.S. Attorney scandal and cause the nerve endings in Chimpy’s head to short circuit and make his brain implode, most likely. We’d better plan for the inevitable.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:22 pmSuck on this namejacker, TripMaster.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pm#71. Questions for Plame you won’t hear at this political show trial.
Hey, lame brain. You still don’t get it do you? Its not about going after Valerie Plame and what she shared with her husband and the CIA. Its about the Bush Administration compromising the secret status of an intelligence agent in order to damage the credability of someone they wanted to destroy.
While you and Faux News Network (R) might be content to have this sordid affair glossed over, I would rather see an example made so this doesn’t happen again.
What is more important and yet unasked by the media or any of the politicans is how many of her foreign contacts, agents, and associates (and their families) have been killed or eliminated for having contact or suspected of passing secrets to Plame? If even one could be proved then team Cheney/Libby and their cohorts should be charged with murder.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pm“Patrick1″ sez:
Good afternoon, rachel.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:27 pmMy GOD, that was too funny! Now, let’s get back to work.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPlame was covert. This was established early in the court proceedings, over a year ago, when Judge Tatel confirmed her convert status There was no need for Fitzgerald to even discuss it in the recently concluded proceedings.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/
http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/docs/common/opinions/200502/04-3138a.pdf#page=80
The PDF proves that Tatel accepted Fitzgerald’s contention that Plame was covert under the definition used by the IIAA.
CASE CLOSED!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmI love the hot pink “Impeach Bush Now” T-Shirt in the back row!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmSuck on this namejacker, TripMaster.
Comment by Patrick1
Patrick is just frustrated. Unlike that skank Ann Coulter, Plame is a fox! I think I can speak for both of us when I say we would love to get into Valerie’s pants.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:36 pmUPDATE: On September 30, 2003, National Review editor Jonah Goldberg claimed, “Wilson’s wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already.â€
Is Goldberg just confirming that people didn’t know what she did?
Sing hallelujah.
Cheers,
March 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pmGOP + Patrick1 = Traitors. To hell with impeachment. String them all up now!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWhy hasn’t Richard Armitage been charged with a crime?
March 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pmThe silliest thing about this thread is that so many people are paying attention to Patrick. Lying to congress while under oath is a felony. She’s under oath. This should be the end of the argument. Victoria Toensing, Robert Novak and the gang over at FOX news have been lying in peoples’ faces for months now. That ’s just painfully obvious to anyone who is not a delusional Bush cultist. I now expect subpoenas and indictments. It just doesn’t matter what someone like Patrick says. He’s so clearly a buffon, that it’s embarassing that so many people are playing his game. Come on people. Wise up!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pmBy the way, I think the woman in pink in the back is Darral Hannah, the actress. May be wrong, but I know she’s politically active.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pmMost of whats posted here is about a troll who only shows up to pull your chains and distract from the issues !Next the insults and obscenities directed at him fill most of 100 posts ,making our mostly shared viewpoints look ridiculous and childish .He rushes up and posts the first comments and you fall over yourselves refuting what is his obviously nonsense .
March 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pm“Even though I’m a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors.†-George H.W. Bush
What more needs to be said ?
krazeeinjun sez:
Now now…I certainly understand your frustration, but if we do that, it makes us no better than them.
Impeach them, then try and convict them for treason, then hang them.*
*That is, for whichever members of this corrupt and criminal administration the ICC doesn’t call dibs on.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#44 Putzhead1:
No question that she may have been covert, but once her husband divulged sensitive information, she needed to be outed.
Wow. Candidate for appeals counsel for Libby ringing in.
But spelling errors make it look unprofessional. That’s “embarrassing” and “drawn and quartered”.
Cheers,
March 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTheres a new type of troll on the website ,he/she seems to be a friendly but is only posting obscenities and garbage and probably refuting it as another poster.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:49 pmJust finished watching round one of the Hearings on C-Span.
Trust me folks, if you want the truth on the Hearings, watch
them yourself on C-Span. To rely on any of the Mainstream
media sewers, will only give you a Left or Right slant, on what
is being presented. Unless Slant is what your after, as opposed
to the Truth. Lots of people already know the truth, but prefer
the slant.
The most telling part of this mornings hearings, Only 1 of the
Republicans (besides the ranking member) even bothered to
show up, and ask a single question. Its clear the Republicans
have their own agenda, and will remain in Lock/Goose Step
with the Official Party line. Ms Plame made it very clear that she
was indeed a “Covert” and “Under Cover” agent of the CIA.
She also brought out very wisely, that the Senate report, done
under the auspices of our loyal Republican Brethren, had in
the end, twisted many of the facts, and had cherry picked the
facts as presented in their “Investigation” and Report of the
Plame affair. No suprise here. Protect the Emperor at all cost.
She also explained very clearly, that she was not the originator
of the idea to send her Husband to Niger, that the idea was
by one of the other Officers in her department, and that she
was asked, to make a request to her Husband, to come into
the Agency office the following week, to discuss, Mr Wilson
going to Niger. She infact did not want her Husband to go to
Niger, as they had just had twins, and she needed him at home
to help with the new children.
So the lies in the Press, by certain persons, have finally been
set straight, out of the Horses mouth so to speak. Not that
it will make 1 damned bit of difference. The truth never matters
in America these days.
Now the 2 Vestals from the White House are using the Sargent
Schultz defense, “I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I know and
knew nothing”. Again, completely expected, and true to form.
Mr Knodell just stated that “everything” took place before his
tenure in his position. Again, “I know Nuthink”. Sending a man
with absolutely no knowledge of anything was expected. He did
however just state, that, Absolutley no investifgation has been
done, in any fashion, by the WhiteHouse, of the entire affair.
Indeed.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:50 pmShine the light and watch the cockroaches scurry .
March 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmThis is called perjury:
“I did not recommend him, I did not suggest him, I did not have the authority.â€
Also her General analogy is stupid. One can be a cop and not be an “uncover†cop.
“Woman Please!â€
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/03/16/plame-game-garbo-speaks/
March 16th, 2007 at 12:55 pmNO WHITE HOUSE INVESTIGATION EVER !!!!
There’s never been any White House investigation into the leaking of Valerie’s name.
NEVER !!!
March 16th, 2007 at 12:56 pmNONE !!!
ZIP !!!
That is because her husband leaked her name.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThere’s never been any White House investigation into the leaking of Valerie’s name.
Comment by ScrewBush
Saddest thing is the President could find out by asking what the heck happened. Although it may be tough since he was involved. So no questions. It’s good to be the king.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:00 pmComment by BK — March 16, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Thanks for that run-down, BK.
Very telling about the Replublicans hardly bothering to show up.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmdlet,
Bush just needs to stand in front of a mirror and ask “Who leaked her name?”
March 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmHow many of the previous 42 administrations deliberately or accidently outed a covert CIA agent? None.
How many attacked a former diplomat who was considered a war hero by the president’s own father? None.
About the uranium, who was proven right, the White House or the diplomat? The diplomat.
Have the President and Vice-President already been proven to tell lies about this case? Yes and no. Only the President said anyone involved in leaking the agent’s name to the press would no longer be part of his administration. And several people, including Rove and Cheney, were demonstrated to be complicit in those activities.
Thus we have a proven liar as president, a vice-president who actively sought to discredit a war hero diplomat, and both inadvertently did something no predescessor has ever done: ineptly burning an intelligence agent and network dedicated to discovering the very information we supposedly went to war for. And the people they discredited and burned were correct, while the administration wasn’t.
Spin away righties, all you want. But what is your motive when these facts are clear? You care only to undamage the damage done by the administration instead of complaining about the way the nation’s security was damaged.
Partisanship above patriotism. Dishonesty above security.
I’m glad such righties never went into the military, because no-one could trust them to guard their backs. Betrayers, they are as dangerous as our sworn enemies.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmHer job ended when she sent her idiot husband to Niger.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Her job ended when her husband proved that the Bush administration was filled with a bunch of liars who were hell-bent on invading Iraq.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:04 pmTP: Spelling mistake there… “Plame said”
March 16th, 2007 at 1:04 pmLets say you live in Saudia Arabia. You work at a hardware store. Everyday, you see the same guys coming in for parts and tools you know could be used to make a bomb. You have heard rumors these guys are related to Al Qaeda somehow, and are plotting to attack a US embassy.
You’re not a bad guy- you’d like to make sure they can’t hurt anyone. But if you tell someone, say, the CIA, and the T’s find out, you and your family will be killed in creative and painful ways.
So the question is, can you trust the US government to keep your identity secret?
Make no mistake about it- regardless of whether she was covert enough or how much she “deserved” to be outed for the political transgressions of her husband, the United States is not going to receive human intelligence it would have had this leak not occurred.
This is why it is illegal to reveal the identity of a covert agent. Its not just because they might lose their job.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pmRe # 59: Well Patrick will be busy tomorrow getting drunk for St. Patricks Day > lol. Comment by Jay Randal — March 16, 2007 @ 11:56 am
What do you mean “tomorrow,” Mr. Randal? Patrick1 sounds like he surpassed mere drunk looooong before he ever typed comment #1 here. Anyway, let’s hope it’s the alcohol talking. Anyone as stupid or as willfully ignorant as Patrick1 sounds is just a waste of oxygen.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pm[...] by MvdG Think Progress has a good post up about Valerie Plame’s testimony “under oath before the House Government and [...]
March 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pmWas she so covert that people didn’t see her behind the desk she jockeyed?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:23 pmthis is amazing… at this very moment Bush officials are testifying about the Plame Affair… FoxNews.com’s’ top story? Anna Nicole Smith’s “medicine chest!”
they sure are covering the important stories people need to know about!
March 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmPatrick is probably Jonah Goldberg. or his clone.
There was a nice thread at Town Hall where the Rude Pundit slammed Jonah to the wall. Goldberg, chicken that he is, deleted the entire Plame thread and stopped taking comments.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:29 pmHa, townhall does not want the truth. or any comments not approved by Rove.
Well the clown has left the circus. But we didn’t really get to hear all sides of Val Plame’s story. To the dismay of Republican Congressman, Hank Waxman allowed one brief round of questioning then let Val leave the building, questions unanswered. She came in, related part of her version of events, then left. It didn’t add up, but she is glamorous and blonde, and the media loves this stuff.
The most interesting thing about the hearing was the skanky blonde in the audience wearing a tiara fashioned of pink construction paper; when she stood, her t-shirt read something like: “Impeach Bush now!” Chairman Waxman, the boss of House Oversight, oversaw the circus.
If you missed it on C-SPAN, it was a non-event, just like the nonsense about a “leak.” Wait for the movie.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:29 pmI found it interesting that Plame brought up regardless of whether she was covert or not, when anyone in the White House saw that she was connected with the CIA that should have thrown up a red flag and brought national security issues into the conversation.
Any rightwingers want to comment on why it was a good thing to expose Plame? Anyone wannt to tackle why the White House used information they knew was false even before they ever used it?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:32 pmThe smack of Goldberg is great.
John
March 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pmPatrick1:
Was the skanky blonde even a “her” to start with? In addition to the quick clip, the only thing I heard was that GOP members were given a list of questions they were NOT allowed to ask!! What’s up with that?
My first question would have been:
Ms. Plame, prior to July 14, 2003 had you personally told anyone outside of the CIA that you worked for the CIA (other than your future husband after your second date)?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pmMark:
I agree that IF Plame was “covert” no one from the White House should have leaked that information. If she was only employed as a janitor at Langley, would you at least agree that would be OK?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pmPatrick dutifully cuts and pastes from the NRO, and I suppose, thinks we won’t notice.
GOP congressmen, gaggle of cowards that they are, had every opportunity to ask *all* of those questions this morning and didn’t.
Wanna guess why, Patrick?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pmWas she so covert that people didn’t see her behind the desk she jockeyed?
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Come on now; give it up. That desk jockey crap won’t fly anymore.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pmSaddest thing is the President could find out by asking what the heck happened. Although it may be tough since he was involved. So no questions. It’s good to be the king.
Comment by dlet — March 16, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Maybe dumbass Bush thinks that don’t ask don’t tell applies to everything involving government.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:41 pmMs. Plame, prior to July 14, 2003 had you personally told anyone outside of the CIA that you worked for the CIA (other than your future husband after your second date)?
Comment by Jake
Since a good attorney never asks a question to which he doesn’t already know the answer, what answer would you anticipate?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:42 pm“That is because her husband leaked her name.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm”
What are you, f&*(ing stupid, Patrick? That question answers itself, actually.
Everybody knows who the source of the leak is. I’ll give you a hint; he likes to shoot his friends in the face on hunting trips…
March 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pmthey get their news ONLY from Fox and…oh yeah, almost all are christian.
Comment by beijair
No they aren’t…
…NONE of them are “Christian”…
March 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pmAny rightwingers want to comment on why it was a good thing to expose Plame?em>
Ask her husband or Dick Armitage they are the ones that did it.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pmZooey:
I completely expect she would answer that question “no” or take the 5th. I have plenty more questions where that came from ; )
Broadsword:
As I heard from the radio, the GOP members of the committee were given a list of questions they could NOT ask. I wonder if my question was one of those? Also, is Joe Wilson willing to testify under oath about who he told?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:46 pmIf you missed it on C-SPAN, it was a non-event, just like the nonsense about a “leak.†Wait for the movie.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
That’s intresting Peadick but the hearing is still going on. Your girl Victoria Toensing is on now.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:46 pmComment by Jake — March 16, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
That’s cute Jake you and Peadick1 are friends. Did you remember to take your alzheimers medicine today? Why aren’t you watching Fox News? I hear they’ve come up with some bullshit that Anna Nicole might have been murdered. That should keep you old farts passified all day.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pmI completely expect she would answer that question “no†or take the 5th. I have plenty more questions where that came from ; )
Comment by Jake
So why ask the question? Trying to smear her in front of the jury?
As I heard from the radio….
Comment by Jake
Did that happen to be a FOX affiliated station, Jake?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:51 pmNow Victoria Toensing, I hope under oath, is sitting there defending Bob Novak. She is testifying that the CIA went to him but only asked him not to print the info on Plame but didn’t demand it.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:54 pmOf course she’s testifying to hearsay evidence as if its fact. I wonder if that would prevent purjury charges against her.
[...] also asked Wilson to respond to the specific claim, made by Victoria Toensing and others, that Plame had lost her covert status because she “had not been stationed abroad within five [...]
March 16th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI’ve never posted before, but am otherwise on this site often, and I have to say that it is getting hard to read the comments. It’s not the trolls that bother me; I think that we’re mostly all smart enough to take them for what they’re worth. It’s the fact that the non-trolls continue to respond to the most asinine posts, and it clogs up an otherwise interesting discussion. To prove a point, I went through 152 posts so far. Minus 12 from Patrick1, 69 of the 135 remaining included a direct response to him. That’s more than half of the comments that refer back to him. Why? I’m all for an honest debate, and I respect opinions that differ from my own, but reading a post that calls a troll an idiot is as much a waste of time as the original idiotic post. We could clean up these boards by just ignoring the trolls.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:55 pmJake I’m still waiting to hear where you got your law degree!
March 16th, 2007 at 1:55 pmEat that you piece of sh!t traitorous trolls. You are all fu*king liars that need to be run out of this country and stripped of your citizenship, never to return here again for trying to kill our democracy.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:56 pmThe rights a runnin for their holes. Watch them spew their shit to the end.
March 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pmDo you how covert operators were exposed from outing Ms. Plame. I can’t imagine how many people may have suffered and or lost their lives because of this. The American Government is suppose to protect their people.
This administration doesn’t care about anything but self-preservation.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:00 pmListening to Val this morning on C-SPAN I understood that even as a classified employee who had not been in the field for several years, she would want to keep her spy identity secret (one need only conjure up kidnappings, torture, etc. to obtain our state secrets.
As intelligent as Val came across, I was struck by her going home and asking Joe if he would make the Niger trip after “a supervisor walked by and heard me on the phone discussing Niger with a person who reported to me….. Could you talk to Joe this evening and see if he would come in next week?”. A REALLY intelligent Democrat would have said to her supervisor, “I think it would be better coming from you. We don’t want ANY hint of politics, do we?”
March 16th, 2007 at 2:04 pmSpudgeBoy:
She certainly was not on any secret mission AFTER July 14, 2003 (at least not on behalf of the United States).
shane:
I have never been perscribed Alzheimers medicine, so no, I did not take any today. As for why I’m not watching Fox News, that’s because I’d rather be here bothering you. Also, who ever said I obtained a law degree?
Zooey:
I would ask the question because I suspect she would lie about it. BTW: which “jury” are you referring to — were they present in the committee room?? Is NPR a “FOX affiliated station”? They were playing clip of the actual questions and answers, and one Republican stated for the record that the members were given a list of questions they could not ask — luckily, whether she and Joe Wilson are Democrats was not on that list ; )
March 16th, 2007 at 2:05 pmShane – Your historic reference is tenuous at best. Victoria Toensig helped craft the law which Joe, Val and members of the Committee keep referring.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAs intelligent as Val came across, I was struck by her going home and asking Joe if he would make the Niger trip after “a supervisor walked by and heard me on the phone discussing Niger with a person who reported to me….. Could you talk to Joe this evening and see if he would come in next week?â€. A REALLY intelligent Democrat would have said to her supervisor, “I think it would be better coming from you. We don’t want ANY hint of politics, do we?â€
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
What the hell are you talking about?
March 16th, 2007 at 2:13 pmLet’s see Patrick.
Your story, so far on this message thread, went from…
1. She’s lying (under oath) and therefore not really a covert agent.
2. Maybe she’s a covert agent, but she’s the worst.
3. She’s a Al-Queda mole.
4. She needed to be outed because of her husband divulging “sensitive” information.
Well then, where are the facts to support this ever changing, pathetic little story of yours?
You don’t really have any facts, do you? I didn’t think so.
I don’t know what you guys hope to accomplish with these juvenile disruptions of discussions here.
Perhaps these circular arguments and baseless statements works on other mindless drones that share your world view, but I can guarantee you, that they do NOT work here.
Your BS is falling on deaf ears.
Your disruptions aren’t the least bit effective at derailing the discussions. If anything, you merely serve to strengthen people’s resolve.
You are continually providing people here with the opportunity to openly and very effectively rebut the absurd GOP talking points of the day and thereby weakening your beloved party’s position. You are doing them a disservice.
People like you make the GOP look bad, VERY bad.
Only 3 alternatives make any sense here…
1. You are actually a Liberal mole, working to further the Liberal cause, by portraying a mindless and idiotic caricature of a GOP Talking Points Spokesholeâ„¢ that ultimately makes the Neocon ideology look even worse, with each passing massage that you post.
2. You’re actually a complete moron who doesn’t get that he’s actually doing his party harm with his behavior.
3. You are just some 12 year old kid that parrots crap that he sees on FOX news in order to be a contrarian who thinks it’s funny just to rile people up.
What is it?
IDIOT.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI can’t believe that the Trolls are still carrying on with this tired old “But, but, but she wasn’t really a covert agent” BS.
Amazing.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pm#176 - Nat – Since you apparently are only able to rely on the cherry picked info provided here by TP – I suggest you watch the inevitable re-run on C-SPAN tonight…….Val testified before the committee how it came to pass that she was recruited to “speak to Joe.”
March 16th, 2007 at 2:25 pmShane – Your historic reference is tenuous at best. Victoria Toensig helped craft the law which Joe, Val and members of the Committee keep referring.
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
March 16th, 2007 at 2:25 pmVV – she is testifying right now on C-span what is historical about that.
Go fu*k yorself you piece of sh!t traitor. You old crazy fu*ktard traitor. I hope you have an aneurysm that causes you to have a serious stroke that leaves you incapacitated and dependent upon others, who turn out to be republican wastoids that touch you in the wrong place and there’s nothing you can do about it but make pitiful moans.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:27 pmComment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
The hearing is ending now. Historical my ass. You could have been watching if you weren’t busy getting your talking points.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#176 – Nat – Since you apparently are only able to rely on the cherry picked info provided here by TP – I suggest you watch the inevitable re-run on C-SPAN tonight…….Val testified before the committee how it came to pass that she was recruited to “speak to Joe.â€
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Alright I’ll accept your premise. She was recruited to “speak to Joe” and this is significant because…?
And why do you think she was/is a Democrat?
March 16th, 2007 at 2:30 pm#155 Jake are you serious? Her status as a professional is a far cry from having status as unskilled labor. By the way Jake the only IF about her covert status is in the right wing gossip machine. IF she was not covert the CIA woudl not have asked for a probe. IF she was not covert real CIA types would not be saying she was.
But lets pretend that currently she was not under deep cover but was once in the past. Wouldn’t you think that exposing her would also expose those with whom she had regular contact with would also be exposed? Wouldn’t you think that with her cover exposed Brewster Jennings, that perhaps all her co-workers and all her contacts would also be exposed? Would you work for the CIA knowing that at any time the Vice President could orchestrate exposing you to the world, when you have connections to intelligence he does not want the world to see or hear? Face it the whole issue is over the Niger claims, and they were debunked, yet the White House continued to use intelligence they knew was false. Wilson & Plame are a side show to the real question about the White House using bad intelligence, that they know was bad. What sort of confidence does that give you for our leadership?
March 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pmSorry, shane. The Terms of Use prohibit sharing personal information on line. I’m already married anyways.
Comment by Jake — March 15, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
Jake – this was in response to my questioning where you got your law degree after you stated you had retired regarding your credentials to pass judgement on points of law.
Yesterday you were discussing statutes and acting like attorney, judge and jury on every issue. And when I pointed out that constitutional law was a very particular field maybe deceptively you said you were retired. And then said you couldn’t share that information.
So basically all your legalese yesterday was pure crap. The law, like science, is not cut and dry as you were portraying yesterday. Nobody has the definitive answer on any law. That’s why there are judges and appeals and what now lack integrity, the Supreme Court.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:51 pmAll this thread proves is that these Bush supporters really are like what I’ve been calling them: cultists. There is no reasoning with a cultist. Deprogramming is the only solution for cult-like behavior. Cultists are not interested in the truth and when confronted by it, they simply refuse to recognize it. Cultists have one goal: defend the cult leader.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:52 pmAn enterprising reporter should track down the Bimbo in Pink behind Ms. Wilson. She was obviously a plant. It appears she had a friend to her right, who had a portable monitor, which allowed Ms. Bimbo to keep repositioning herself in the open area above Ms. Wilson’s right shoulder. Her demeanor suggested that the “Impeach Bush” on her t-shirt had little to do with her thoughts or motivation for being so conspicuously on camera.
If a dirty trick falls in the forest of Metro DC, and Mr. Rove is not there to take credit, does it make a sound?
March 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pmPatrick1, be glad that the AEI has not yet dropped the Rove Writing Fellowships. Your WSJ talking points about this “show trial” – is that Maoist or Stalinist scree? – are nonsense.
I suppose they are necessary Red meat for the Faithful; it replenishes their ability to supplant facts with faith. But no one slightly cognizant of politics or this administration or even business considers them anything but loo paper.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHeh
March 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmNo sh!t fu*ktard. She had been outed! God, you are a moron.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:04 pmRe: UPDATE: On September 30, 2003, National Review editor Jonah Goldberg claimed, “Wilson’s wife is a desk jockey and much of the Washington cocktail circuit knew that already.â€
Perhaps Patriot Goldberg would like to share what other covert CIA operatives are fair game for Bushwacking courtesy of his neocon cocktail circuit?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI like how the code pink lady is in the background. IMPEACH
She looks like a man to me.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pmOh boy, the living at home still Fu*ko is back.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#190
No sh!t fu*ktard. She had been outed! God, you are a moron.
I like how this guy can use “sh!t fu*ktard & God” in the same breath.
Heh
March 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSpudge_Boy is a such a dedicated family man too.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pmSo, we have the FACTS.
The TRAITORS in the Bush Crime administration are LIARS.
ESPECIALLY Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK moron.
ALL of them need to be TRIED, CONVICTED and EXECUTED.
By a US Army FIRING SQUAD consisting of soldiers permanently
WOUNDED and MAIMED by the Iraq/WMD LIES of TRAITOR Bush!!!!
God Bless America, the Democratic Party, and the WORLD!
FVKC unamerican TRAITORS like Bush and you Nazi azzhole-lickers.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmApparently the rightwing godtards are afraid enough of this website that they blanket it with their filthy lies and prepackaged baloney.
The woman was a covert agent. The CIA has confirmed this. Get used to it, morons. And get used to the idea that this little kabuki dance is only leading to one thing. Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeaners. Your bloody god George H W Bush was the one who initiated the law, calling such action “treasonous.” What do you say to that?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pmToensing made a valiant effort to fulfill her mission to “debunk” the plame status, but Waxman chewed her up. I love the way he wrapped up each session with a two or three sentence summary.
The most stunning revelation was that there was no internal investigation in the White House — (of course why would there be, when they planned and executed the leak themselves?)
March 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmOne of the Retardlicans demanded to know her and her husbands’ political party as if she would skewer her own career for political purposes. (They judge others by their own low standards.)
What the Retardlican’s insulting question also raised was the possibility that her political party was the reason she and her husband were attacked.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThe right wing just can’t deal with facts. They are so wrapped up in wanting to believe they are “right” about everything that they are completely delusional. If they look past the spin and the complete BS on Fox they would have to deal with the fact that they have been lied to for so long. They would have to scrape those Bush Cheney stickers off their cars, they would have to think about how much better our country and our world would be if they had never been “elected”. How many soldiers would still be with us, if they hadn’t been sent into Iraq on a lie to rob the tresury for the defense industry? If they had been sent to Tora Bora to get Bin Laden instead, we might have really made the world a safer place.
No they can’t process that. They want to call names like schoolyard bullies and align themselves with the liars, wrapping themselves in a cozy (easy) blanket of ignorance. They are intellectually lazy and without personal integrity. I feel sorry for them but I will be glad to see their “glorious leader” and his minions impeached for their crimes against democracy and humanity.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWhat I find quite amazing with all of the “journalists” noted was there lack of ablity to either research or verify their sources before they “stated” the truth.
Maybe it is my simplistic understanding of journalism that I received while I was studying communications, but I find it quite amazing the number of hacks that will lie, or not spend enough time or resources to determine the truth. What is more dissapointing is that they are never taken to task for their lies.
The one thing I did discover when I was starting my careeer in communications was that even at the lowest level of politics, for the most mundane of things, politicians lie. And when reporters repeat what has been lied to them without verifying as to what they have stated, they are nothing more than cheap mouthpieces.
Almost came to blows with a news director over that.
But these people are not reporting on changing a parking sign. What they report will affect our counrty, our democracy, and every lie removes one more brick from the foundations of keeping us a free nation.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:53 pmPlame was not a covert agent. You liebrawls make me sick.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI’m a moron.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:02 pmPlame was COVERT. CIA DIRECTOR Hayden said so…
Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
You Nazis like “Patrick1″ make me LAUGH….
And you will BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY with your TRAITOR coxucker PUNK of a “president”.
FOREVER!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHey moron ‘Arn Gunnutes’ what’s a ‘coxucker’. You liebrawls need to learn how to spell and debate properly before you spew your inane garbage. Liebrawls are such punks and losers. Get a life commie scumbag.
Plame was NOT covert. She is a traitor to this country.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:11 pmoh patty, you sad, sad idiot.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI’m a moron.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
March 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pmNazi Patrick, you are a FUNNY Nazi!!!
GW Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
Just like YOU, Nazi.
Michael Hayden, CIA director, says she WAS covert.
Coxucker PUNKS like Bush and YOU will always deny.
That’s why YOU and Bush are TRAITOR coxucker PUNKS to the USA.
You are a FUNNY troll for a TRAITOR!!
God Bless America and the Democrats and the WORLD!
BURN IN HELL, TRAITOR Bush and you Nazi azzhole-lickers.
For ETERNITY.
Thank you, Lord!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pmPlease provide proof of plame being covert. Just the word of Hayden is NOT enough. You liebrawls love to make up bullshit and then cry when you’re called on it. 2008 will not come soon enough. The democrat party will be completely shut out and it will be a permanent Republican majority. Too bad, so sad, losers. This country will again be great when lying scum liebrawls have been relegated to the dustbin of history. Your WEAK idiology will fail. Ha hahahahahahahahahahah
Oh, and by the way… I served in the military.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIn Henry Waxman’s opening remarks, he said, “President George W. Bush’s father, the former President Bush, said, and I quote, “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who expose the names of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.” (See transcript.)
Can you imagine how angry Republicans would be about this situation if a Democratic administration had outed a CIA agent?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:39 pmWho is that Giant Pink Transvestite in the background?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pm“Hayden’s word is NOT ENOUGH”!
To Nazi azzhole-lickers of TRAITOR Bush the coxucker PUNK like YOU, maybe…
But for REAL Americans, it IS enough.
Who cares what is “good enough” for a Nazi azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush like YOU???
Not ME, nor OTHER REAL Americans.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
In the military???
Did YOU go AWOL like TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush, too???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
God Bless America and the DEMOCRATS and the WORLD!
BURN IN HELL, TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush and you Nazi azzhole-lickers!!!!
Thank you, God and Jesus!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:52 pmOh, and by the way… I served in the military.
Comment by Patrick1
That’s a good, Patrick, tell us another joke!
March 16th, 2007 at 5:02 pmWho is that Giant Pink Transvestite in the background?
It is Zooey1
Heh
March 16th, 2007 at 5:11 pmArn Gunnutes, I think you need to take your meds. You’re just a tad unhinged.
Ha ha, you stupid f*cker.
God blesses Conservatives!
March 16th, 2007 at 6:06 pmPatrick1, YOU need to stop being a LYING TRAITOR.
Like your hero, Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
Ha ha, you little Nazi azzhole-licker of this TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush.
God Blesses REAL Americans (Liberals).
Nazis like YOU and Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK will BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
God Bless America, the Democrats, and the WORLD!
BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY, TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush and your Nazi azzhole-lickers like “patrick”.
Thank you God and Jesus!!!
Amen!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 6:13 pmPatrick, you ain’t no conservative. Real conservatives would support the Constitution of the U.S. and would never be appologists nort support the breaking of laws by the Executive nor spending this country into the poorhouse. You are something else entirely. Now, neocon nazi may be more like it. We, real conservatives and liberals and independents will not allow people like you, bush, chaney and the rest of the traitors to hijack our country.
March 16th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe whole edifice of abuses and lies that underlie this Bush administration will collapse and criminals and supporters like you will be buried in the rubble.
Is that the best you can do you slimy traitorous piece of sh!it?
Worthless little pee brained troll. Go fu*k yourself.
March 16th, 2007 at 6:38 pmArn Gunnutes, you are certifiably insane (much like most of you lefties). God Bless George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the rest of the greatest presidential administration in US history.
Come on Arn, got any more brain farts for us?
March 16th, 2007 at 6:39 pmAbout these trolls that receive entirely too much attention here….
Do they get paid by the post and by how tightly they conform to the talking points/party line/cult speak ? And do they get paid by the Republican National Committee, one of those neocon nonthinktanks or the Likud party….or the KKK or what…? And do they put the money into their PayPal accounts or what? I have a friend who is whacky and a former hooker and not too bright, can she apply for a job with one of your employers Jake? Patrick? Valient Venus? Please let me know. She claims to be a real good ho who gets orgasm when she lies. Kinda fringe benefit some of you may share?
March 16th, 2007 at 6:47 pmPatrick, coming from a Nazi azzhole-licker of Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK, I thank you for your compliment.
Your judgement shows I am a REAL American, and not a Nazi azzhole-licker of TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush.
Like YOU.
BURN IN HELL, TRAITORS Bush and Cheney, and all the Nazi azzhole-lickers of these TRAITORS like “patrick”.
God Bless America, the DEMOCRATS (REAL Americans) and the WORLD!!
Thank you God and Jesus!
BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY with your coxucker PUNK Fuhrer, Patrick!!!
BURN, baby, BURN!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
March 16th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#210 - “Can you imagine how angry Republicans would be about this situation if a Democratic administration had outed a CIA agent?”
No, but I can imagine how angry people were when the Church Commission and Mr. Jimmeh gutted the criteria for hiring operatives. WHY anyone would hire a party-hack DEMOCRAT for senstive issues like National Security is beyond me. i guess when Joe lied and said he didn’t want his wifes picture taken during the Vanity Fair breakfast, he didn’t mean the photo in the convertible – the one with the spy sunglasses and scarf. If Rove or Armitage pay a price for this “story” – I hope Joe W. shares the cell next door.
Was that Prncess in pink Val’s sister?
March 16th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThanks Arn, your brain fart was right on cue.
You liebrawls are SO predictable.
March 16th, 2007 at 6:53 pmPatrick, you are welcome, you Nazi azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush.
Keep licking the azzhole of TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK.
Remember to say YUMMMMMM!
You Nazi azzhole-lickers are SO predictable…
Good little Nazi (pat pat).
When TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK goes to hell for eternity, YOU will certainly be WITH your hero…
God Bless America, the DEMOCRATS, and the WORLD!
BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY, TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK and all you azzhole-lickers like “patrick”.
Thank you God and Jessus!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 6:59 pmComment by Patrick1 — March 16, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Come on Patrick, when have most of the the posters on TK come out with stuff like Arn. If the poster isn’t a parody then they need assistance as that sort of behaviour isn’t healthy.
March 16th, 2007 at 7:00 pmArn, Who is jessus? Is that some pagan ‘god’ that you liebrawls insist on worshipping?
March 16th, 2007 at 7:00 pmVV….ARe you saying that only truebeliever reichwing republicans are fit to serve in covert roles? And do they have to be Christians (preferably of the bornagain brand)? Aryan? Trace their republicanism at least three generations? Be of European ancentry (but not too southern or eastern, thank you)? ANd one final, personal question. Are you Joe McCarthy’s daughter or grand daughter?
March 16th, 2007 at 7:04 pmNo, that’s the name for Republican Jesus, the one that TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK “prays” to.
Probably Nazi azzhole-lickers like YOU, too.
Hope that answers your simple-minded “question”, Nazi azzhole-licker!!
The REAL Jesus was a LIBERAL, and would tell Nazi TRAITORS like Bush and azzhole-lickers like YOU to go to hell.
WHERE YOU BELONG!
Sincerely,
Arn Gunnutes
anagram for NRA GUN NUTS
Look it up, Nazipatrick. I know it’s a BIG word for an azzhole-licker like YOU.
God Bless America, the Democrats, and the WORLD!
BURN IN HELL, TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK, and all your azzhole-lickers like Nazipatrick.
Thank you God and Jesus (and Jessus, the Nazi Jesus)
March 16th, 2007 at 7:06 pmPatrick….actually Jessus is the name I give to a hemmorroid I have.
March 16th, 2007 at 7:07 pmi guess when Joe lied and said he didn’t want his wifes picture taken during the Vanity Fair breakfast, he didn’t mean the photo in the convertible – the one with the spy sunglasses and scarf. If Rove or Armitage pay a price for this “story†– I hope Joe W. shares the cell next door.
Was that Prncess in pink Val’s sister?
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
He should go to jail because he “lied” about not wanting his wife’s picture being taken?!?!
March 16th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI was on the Hill today, and I coincidentally walked past the hearing room right after they got out.
I complemented the Code Pink woman for positioning herself so perfectly before the C-Span camera, and I’m pretty sure that she was transgender, for those of you who seem so curious about it. My apologies if I’m incorrect, it really wasn’t something I was going out of my way to look for (clearly her outfit was overwhelming as it is).
March 16th, 2007 at 7:28 pm[...] Faiz, Editor and Publisher, The Gavel, The AP, CNN, The Washington Post, New York Times, JustOneMinute, The Nation, Think Progress, Firedoglake, Nico @ Think progress Hat Tips to you all! [...]
March 16th, 2007 at 7:37 pmIt is so frickin’ funny to watch the Moonbats defend CIA operative Plame with their covert operations, overthrowing foreign goverments, domestic surveillance, propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. etc. The Wilsons are part of the CIA atrocitities and you guys are defending them!
Plame/CIA is in the torture business. Nice people to defend Moonbats!!!
Oh the Irony is too much!
Heh
March 16th, 2007 at 8:20 pmNo, but I can imagine how angry people were when the Church Commission and Mr. Jimmeh gutted the criteria for hiring operatives. Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
It was the “Church Committee”, not the “Church Commission”, you ignorant little 23 year old st*pid c*nt!
You do realize this “Committee” was specifically reviewing how Nixon was able to use the spy agency as his own private political toy – right? You know, the *same* abuse that Bush was guilty of in his lead up to the Iraq war? Sounds like the “Committee” has been derailed in the last 30 years.
WHY anyone would hire a party-hack DEMOCRAT for senstive issues like National Security is beyond me. Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
You’re correct, it *is* beyond you – because all you want are party-hack REPUBLICANS like Feith that lie, spy, and undermine our national security.
i guess when Joe lied and said he didn’t want his wifes picture taken during the Vanity Fair breakfast, he didn’t mean the photo in the convertible – the one with the spy sunglasses and scarf. If Rove or Armitage pay a price for this “story†– I hope Joe W. shares the cell next door. Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Of course you *hope* dems share a cell, so you can avoid the *reality* that you CONs undermined national security, that Wilson was *right* and that you are the *only* criminals in this affair.
Was that Prncess in pink Val’s sister?
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
What kind of smart *ssed remark is that supposed to be? Why must you choose to be a miserable st*pid c*nt every single time you post? Is there no human being interested in honesty, truth, fairness and kindness anywhere in that self loathing Anorexic creepy and disgusting gray skin of yours?
You’re a miserable st*pid c*nt that should be locked away and medicated! Why don’t you tell us another dead baby joke you perverted fcuking c*nt?
March 16th, 2007 at 8:59 pmOh, and by the way… I served in the military.
Comment by Patrick1
You’re still a dork.
March 16th, 2007 at 9:28 pm#232 Flakehead must really crave the attention Patsyhead 0 has been getting. No one paid attention to his earlier post, so he reposts it in #232 with some words blackened for emphasis. Since you obviously don’t know, Flakehead, not everyone in the CIA is in the torture business. Some research intelligence–a word you apparently have little connection with.
March 16th, 2007 at 10:00 pmIt’s good to see that some of these posts continued to be civil. When one sinks to the level of those like Patrick1, Venus Valiant, etal, they win! Distraction and anger is the key to confusing important topics. Bravo Joe and Valerie!
March 16th, 2007 at 11:29 pmQuite a few ad hominem attacks on someone named Patrick1 in this comment queue. Is this a case of Don’t like the message, kill the messenger?
March 17th, 2007 at 12:33 amI SEE THAT THE repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm TROLLS in the BLOGS and in the SO-CALLED “DUNG-PUN-dits” of VARIOUS MEDIA ARE OUT IN FULL-FORCE, TRYING THEIR DARNDEST TO BESMIRCH and SWIFT-BOAT ATTACK Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, TWO OF THE MOST COURAGEOUS AND ADMIRABLE AMERICANS I HAVE EVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF WATCHING!!!!! WE CORRECT-THINKING AND COMMON-SENSE IMBUED AMERICANS IN THE BLOGOSPHERE KNOW WHO IS LYING AND WHO IS NOT–Valerie and Joe ARE NOT LYING–The Washington Post(tm)Editorial, Mort Kondracke(and his four-eyed flounder buddy Fred Barnes), Sean Hannity, Robert Novak(this OLD F*CK IS THE WORST OF THE BUNCH), Brit Hume(also all of FOX(tm) ), Victoria Toensing, ARE ALL HARPS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING–BLASTED LIARS(LYRES)!!!! LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES AND MORE DAMNED LIES FROM THESE NAZI-FASCIST CREEPS!!!!! HAH!!!!!
March 17th, 2007 at 12:35 am[...] too ready to investigate the games Bush and the Right are playing with America’s security, Valerie Plame Wilson asserted that she was in fact a covert officer at the time that columnist Rober… Washington Post editorial: “The trial has provided…no evidence that she was, in fact, [...]
March 17th, 2007 at 2:00 amWe await their apologies and statements of correction.
LMAO. Based on what ?
That whether Plame was covert, as per the legal definition, is determined by whether SHE thinks she was ? What are you nuts ?
In her testimony Plame had this to say about whether she was covert in terms of the legal definition in question:
Yeah snap! That really settles the matter doesn’t it.
Why no headline soliciting apologies for those who have stated that she recommended her husband be sent to Niger ?
After all she settled that matter when she testified about that as well, if her word on the matter is the final determination:
Clearly the investigation, memos and testimony showing that she did recommend Wilson for the Niger trip have been debunked by her stating that she didn’t.
Very efficient this new standard of proof I must say. Really cuts through the nuanced theories of reliance on “evidence” and references to the law to determine whether the law has been broken that have hampered investigations in the past.
Actually come to think of it, maybe Libby won’t have to be pardoned. After all if there’s no such thing as perjury anymore and what people say is the final determination of what actually happened then he was simply right twice and the facts must have changed, rather than it being the case that he perjured himself.
March 17th, 2007 at 2:18 amHey moron ‘Arn Gunnutes’ what’s a ‘coxucker’. You liebrawls(SIC) need to learn how to spell
Patsyhead at 4:11
Your WEAK idiology(SIC) will fail.
Patsy at 4:27
Patsy0
March 17th, 2007 at 7:54 amMaybe you ought to take your own advice and learn how to spell yourself.
BTW, you’re perhaps lucky that you are an anonymous nothing; otherwise, you could probably be sued for libel for falsely calling Valerie Plame an “Al Qaeda mole.” Finally, you are unpatriotic to a shameful degree!
Good points, Kilo.
March 17th, 2007 at 9:05 amNo wonder the righties hate her so much. She looks like a supermodel and they’re all ugly as hell! They’re jealous of her.
March 17th, 2007 at 10:38 amResign Repugicons Resign
March 17th, 2007 at 11:18 amI am glad that Mrs Wilson finally got the chance to testify under oath.
March 17th, 2007 at 1:16 pmArguing whether Plame was “covert” under the technical verbiage of the Identities Protection Act or not is nonsense.
The CIA said (and still says) that her identity was a secret. Ipso facto, it WAS a secret. Pretending or even proving that it wasn’t well kept or shouldn’t have been secret — if either is true — doesn’t change the fact that the CIA is an established “classification authority”. If the CIA labels the color of my socks Secret, then it IS a secret, regardless, and the national security laws of the country are supposed to protect that secret until an equal or higher classification authority decides to declassify.
Dubya had the power to declassify her identity if he chose to do so; but that’s not what happened. Classified information was leaked with political motives, and only LATER some argued that the info wasn’t SUPPOSED to be secret, wasn’t a well-kept secret, or whatever. Both excuses are irrelevant. (They’re probably false, as well, but who gives a crap?)
Nor does it matter, very much, which administration official leaked it. Somebody in the administration leaked it, and Dubya doesn’t give a damn.
I often read that Wilson is a “liar”; he lied about whether his wife sent him to Niger, some say. Whether he lied about that or not (I don’t give a shit), did he lie about WMD? Apparently he didn’t. He said there was no evidence Iraq was getting yellow-cake from Niger, and sure enough, there’s STILL no evidence Iraq got any yellow-cake from Niger. Because Iraq didn’t get any. Did he lie about informing the CIA of his findings? No. Did he lie about anything that actually matters? Not that I’ve heard, even from the right-wing bloggers.
Did Dubya lie in his State of the Union address? Maybe it wasn’t an outright lie; maybe he believed it — but he HAD been warned there was no good evidence for what he was saying.
That far outweighs anything Plame or Wilson have been accused of, never mind the smaller list of things they might be GUILTY of.
March 17th, 2007 at 2:57 pmThat’s funny. I thought we knew what this is all about.
1.) Richard Armitage admitted to the ‘leak’, such as it was.
2.) A Special Prosecutor determined no ‘leak’ crime happened.
3.) A Senate panel (Bi-partisan), determined that Wilson lied, and Plame
recommended her husband for the trip to Niger.
OK, Liberals, won’t don’t you get about the facts?
March 17th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#245 – “Whether he lied about that or not (I don’t give a shit), did he lie about WMD?” – Booby Treat
You don’t KNOW about WMD’s in Iraq. But recalling the veracity of the mercifully dead Saddam Hussein, I CAN understand why you would put your stock in Wilson. Funny, the CIA had such poor intelligence when it came to Al Queda, but YOU believe everything St. Val and gang say…..
March 17th, 2007 at 4:57 pmJoseph Wilson was a HERO who protected the US embassy from Hussein in Baghdad in the 1991 Gulf War.
Valerie Plame Wilson testified UNDER OATH that she was COVERT.
Now, let’s see..
HOW MANY of Bush’s stooges, such as Gonzo, Rove, or Libby (in his OWN perjury/obstruction trial) have testified
UNDER OATH about their involvement in the outing of a CIA spy who specialized in WMD, thus exposing the LIE that BushCrime (TM)
cares about the NATIONAL SECURITY of Americans.
NONE!!!
Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK little MURDERER and their followers a Nazi azzhole-lickers.
God Bless America, the Democrats, and the WORLD!
March 17th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThe wingnuts still think its ok to out a CIA employee even if they are not covert.Their logic then its ok to out every FBI agent or for that matter any law enforcement agent.
March 17th, 2007 at 7:00 pm[...] Please find story, video and transcript here. [...]
March 17th, 2007 at 9:10 pmAbout comment #71 by Patrick1
March 17th, 2007 at 9:16 pmCough, cough, choke, choke.
Jeese, could you clear that smokescreen!
[...] T-Shirt in the back row! … VIDEO: Valerie Plame Confirms Her Covert Status Prior To Novak Leak http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/16/plame-covert-testimony This morning, in her testimony under oath before the House Government and Oversight Committee, [...]
March 17th, 2007 at 9:59 pm[...] evidence? Let’s recap. Yesterday, Valerie Plame-Wilson testified under oath that she was a covert agent and that covert status was blown by Robert Novak. In addition, the head of the CIA, Michael [...]
March 18th, 2007 at 1:45 am[...] his campaign to smear Valerie Plame Wilson. Previously, he had falsely said that it was “unlikely she was” [...]
March 18th, 2007 at 11:38 amIf you walk up to any CIA office in the country, enter the building, fail to leave and are not shot or arrested, you either work for the CIA or work with the CIA. Either way, when you’ve done this in public, particularly over the many years of Plame’s employment, you are not covert.
Everyone whose written to this list has bitched about sloppy government paperwork at one time or another, it’s ridiculous to now claim that she was covert because she was classified as that even though she publicly walked into the CIA offices.
By going to work in public view she revealed herself to be an employee. That is why no one was charged with “leaking” her identity.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#255
Sorry, COVERT!
Fitzgerald said so.
Hayden said so.
CIA, who asked for the investigation, NEVER CARRIED OUT BY THE BUSH CRIMINALS, said COVERT!
Valerie Wilson said so. UNDER OATH.
Let’s get Rove and Gonzales UNDER OATH about Wilson, as well as Cheney the EVIL one…
Have ANY of THEM testified UNDER OATH??? Didn’t think so…
And NO ONE WAS CHARGED WITH THE LEAK since Libby OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE, of which he was found GUILTY by a jury.
Bush and his criminals are TRAITORS to the USA, and need to be TRIED, CONVICTED, and EXECUTED.
By a US Army FIRING SQUAD made of soldiers permanently
MAIMED and WOUNDED because of the Iraq WMD LIED of TRAITOR Bush.
BURN IN HELL, TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK, along with your apologists like the TRAITOR in the previous post.
God Bless America, the Democrats, and the WORLD!
March 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pm[...] After six years of Bush blundering, the public presence of the neocons is roughly that of the cranky crazy aunt who believes the TV is talking to her and tapes over outlets so that electricity can’t jump out and ‘get at her.’ “Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak’s column.” – Victoria Toensing, from the Washington Post, Feb. 18, 2007, as quoted at Think Progress. [...]
March 19th, 2007 at 6:37 pm[...] tool in the messaging work bench. As most of you may know, many conservative pundits have taken to outright lying about Valerie Plame, the covert CIA agent whose cover was illegally blown by Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and [...]
March 22nd, 2007 at 3:52 amplame was outed by a democratic traitor by the name of hanson.the lawyer who wrote the law testified that plame was not covert despite nostrilitis waxmans badgering her.like most traitorcrats he looked like a retard.why don’t you leftys ever get your facts straight?you want some one to persecute try armitage he was the one who talked about her job at the c.i.a. and a poor one at that she didn’t know wmd from a bung hole.
March 28th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAccording to her statement, she was not only responsible for the bad intelligence on WMD’s but that she , regardless to her “status” had not been actively covert in five years. She also says “It was not common knowledge on the Georgetown cocktail circuit that everyone knew where I worked” which is not at all like saying “no one knew that I was covert”. If the latter was the truer statement then we could assume it would have been used.
March 31st, 2007 at 8:30 am[...] Novak is simply trying to muddy the fact that he and his cohorts — Victoria Toensing, the Washington Post editorial board, Brit Hume, and others — got the facts about Wilson’s CIA status dead wrong. [...]
April 12th, 2007 at 8:00 am