Top Bush Official Reveals White House Never Investigated Plame Leak
Top Bush Official Reveals White House Never Investigated Plame Leak
Dr. James Knodell, director of the Office of Security at the White House, revealed today that to his knowledge the White House has never ordered a probe, report, or sanctions as a result of the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame. “I have no knowledge of any investigation in my office,” he said.
Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) said he was “shocked” by Knodell’s testimony, adding that the White House’s lack of action was a “breach on top of a breach.”
Knodell claimed the White House did not investigate because there was an outside investigation taking place. But Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) noted that the investigation “didn’t start until months and months later, and [only] had the purpose of narrowly looking to see whether there was a criminal law violated.” Waxman asked, “But there was an obligation for the White House to investigate whether classified information was being leaked inappropriately, wasn’t there?” Knodell answered, “If that was the case, yes.” Watch it:
Shortly after the leak was revealed by Novak, Bush said he wanted an investigation to identify the leaker:
A senior official quoted Bush as saying, “I want to get to the bottom of this,” during a daily meeting yesterday morning with a few top aides, including Rove.
Bush: “If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is.“
E&P reports, “The White House had first opposed Knodell testifying but after a threat of a subpoena from the committee yesterday he was allowed to appear today.” The Gavel has more.
UPDATE: Rep. Waxman wrote a letter to White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten asking him to explain why the White House failed to conduct any investigation following the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert CIA employment. Read it here.
Transcript:
CUMMINGS: Let me ask you a few questions, because in answering some of the chairman’s questions, you left me shocked. And I want to make sure I heard you right.
Are you saying, with regard to this case — that is the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson — there is no report?
KNODELL: Not in my office; there is not.
CUMMINGS: And are you also saying that there was no investigation?
KNODELL: Not by my office.
CUMMINGS: Not by your office. And so you would — I could conclude then that there were no sanctions. Is that correct? No sanctions within your office? I mean — is it one of your jobs, is it part of your job to recommend sanctions where you find that there is then a breach?
KNODELL: Correct. But there was already an outside investigation that was taking place — criminal investigation. That’s why we took no action.
CUMMINGS: Now, one of your main objectives for being in the White House is to make sure that you — make sure that these kinds of things don’t happen. Is that right?
KNODELL: Correct.
CUMMINGS: And I would assume that if anyone were to take the job that you took, that one of their — in considering what happened before you got there — that this would be something that would be on the minds of everybody, because, again, this is like bells ringing, alarms going off.
CUMMINGS: This is the kind of thing that you don’t want to do, because this could end up in your lap. Is that right?
KNODELL: In this particular case, you’re absolutely right. This started long before my tenure in this position. By the time I took the position, the criminal investigation was already under way.
CUMMINGS: But did you look into it at all? You didn’t look into it at all?
KNODELL: Right.
CUMMINGS: I mean, just so that you could make sure you did your job right and didn’t allow this to happen again?
KNODELL: We didn’t want to have collateral investigations going on at the same time, sir.
CUMMINGS: So if there is a criminal investigation and you have got to — you’re trying to make sure it doesn’t happen again, so you don’t even look into it at all?
In other words, you, as the guy — you’re the guy who is responsible for guarding all of this and making sure that everything goes right. So it sounds to me like we had a breach on top of a breach. We had one situation where Ms. Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity and covert status was disclosed. And then within the very office within the White House, there’s no report, there’s no investigation and there are no sanctions.
KNODELL: Sir, again, any reporting would have taken place prior to my arriving into the office.
CUMMINGS: Now, the criminal case is…
WAXMAN: Will the gentleman yield to me…
CUMMINGS: Of course.
WAXMAN: … because I just want to pin this point down? Do you know whether there was an investigation at the White House after the leaks came out?
KNODELL: I don’t have any knowledge of an investigation within my office.
WAXMAN: Ever?
KNODELL: I do not.
WAXMAN: Because the president said he was investigating this matter and was going to get the bottom of it. You’re not aware that any investigation took place?
KNODELL: Not within my office, sir.
WAXMAN: And if there was an investigation, what were you referring to, Mr. Fitzgerald’s investigation?
KNODELL: Yes, the outside investigation.
WAXMAN: OK, that didn’t start until months and months later, and that had the purpose of narrowly looking to see whether there was a criminal law violated. But there was an obligation for the White House to investigate whether classified information was being leaked inappropriately, wasn’t there?
KNODELL: If that was the case, yes.
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March 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pmI’d say they’re all pretty well screwed
March 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOf course the trolls will find some reason to be happy about this.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pmOF COURSE there was no investigation! We knew it was lip service the moment that line came out of the emperor’s mouth! Why investigate when you already know the answer?
March 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pmstunning
March 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pmYet more OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWhy not ask, Did anyone tell you specifically NOT to investigate?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pmIf they investigated it, they would be interviewing themselves. They could just stand in the mirror and ask themselves if they committed a crime.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:01 pmAre we sure it wasn’t KSM who masterminded this whole thing. I’m sure if we asked him, he’d fess up. So long as we “persuaded” him properly.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmGeorge W. Bush, Liar in Chief
March 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmKarl Rove, Minister of Mendacity
For all the latest CIA leak/PlameGate news, legal documents, timelines and other essential materials surrounding the Bush administration’s outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame and its politics of payback against Joseph Wilson, see:
March 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“The CIA Leak/PlameGate Resource Center.”
More President Bush on October 7, 2003:
“Well, the investigators will ask our staff about what people did or did not do. This is a town of — where a lot of people leak. And I’ve constantly expressed my displeasure with leaks, particularly leaks of classified information. And I want to know, I want to know the truth. I want to see to it that the truth prevail. And I hope we can get this investigation done in a thorough way, as quickly as possible…
…I mean this town is a — is a town full of people who like to leak information. And I don’t know if we’re going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there’s a lot of senior officials. I don’t have any idea. I’d like to. I want to know the truth. That’s why I’ve instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators — full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we’ll find out who the leaker is — partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers. But we’ll find out.”
March 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmCalling all piss ants! Hurry and defend the actions of the whores in the White House.
Hurry now you little bitches, there may not be enough smag to give you all a lick.
Patsy? Firefly? Joke? Micky Big Mouth???
March 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTP - Where’s your report on Victoria Toensings’ testimony?? You want me to think you’re fair and balanced, don’t you? I would NEVER suspect TP of cherry picking info to advance the progressive agenda!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThe emperor wears no clothes , !
March 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWell …. he was FOR the investigation before he was against it !
Time for some more international travel ( in countries that haven’t signed the Geneva conventions) and perhaps Anna Nicole smiths resurrection.
Are we sure it wasn’t KSM who masterminded this whole thing. I’m sure if we asked him, he’d fess up. So long as we “persuaded†him properly.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
You know, I think he may have already confessed to that too, not to mention…
murdering Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown
March 16th, 2007 at 3:09 pmproviding Monica with the blue dress
causing the 1977 blackout in New York
shooting the deputy
letting the dogs out
framing Roger Rabbit
the tsunami
causing Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction
causing Walt Coleman to make the ‘tuck’ call
those forged Niger Uranium claim documents
creating New Coke
kidnapping the Lindbergh baby
helping nail Jesus on the cross
killing Jimmy Hoffa
fixing the 2000 presidential election
impersonated Sasquatch
Hurricane Katrina
the plane crashes that killed Paul Wellstone and Payne Stewart
possibly the Kennedy assassination
making Sonny Bono ski into that tree
All political reprimands aside, this situation all boils down to a complete and utter breach of national security. In time of war, people who are charged with the high crime are, and have, been put to death. The Rosenbergs (sp?) are prime examples of this, although they were certainly not federally appointed leaders of the country, but “mythical little people”. I would like to know when the administration is not only going to admit to thier participation of the manipulation of this classified information for political purpose, but the act of not attempting to investigate it’s origin. Of course in hindsight, there is no need to investigate it’s origin, when you know that it CAME FROM YOU.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmPatsy? Firefly? Joke? Micky Big Mouth???
Comment by nanlichi — March 16, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Standby, they are awaiting further instructions from HQ.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:11 pmremember to let the reporters know were STILL tapping there telephones .
March 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmTP - Where’s your report on Victoria Toensings’ testimony?? You want me to think you’re fair and balanced, don’t you? I would NEVER suspect TP of cherry picking info to advance the progressive agenda!
Comment by valiant venus
She should now be charged with lying under oath along with Bozo Gonzo, unless you think the entire CIA should be instead.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmR:
What if Plames status was declassified by the White House?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmOF COURSE there was no investigation! Why investigate when you already know the answer?
Comment by CONservative #4
…Nail meet head…
March 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWhy investigate? They knew who did it. A coverup was a much higher priority.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pm#5 normally I too would consider this testimony stunning however thhere nothing this white house does that surprises me anymore.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmJust watched this in it’s entirety. Nodell looked like he was loading his pants and wanted to dive into the rest room when the allegations that his department could have/should have begun their independent investigation and did nothing - absolutely nothing - some three years later. His testimony fell apart completely when a time line was established between when the “criminal investigation” began and the actual “outing of the covert agent (which has finally been put to rest now that her covert status was confirmed by CIA director, Hayden and placed into the official transcript of the hearing). There was a full two month’s time between Plame’s outing and the criminal investigation - time when for openers Rove’s security clearance should have been removed….time when Nodell’s office would have normally been “johnny on the spot” to proceed with their own investigation; instead, Nodell did absolutely NOTHING! And the fascinating thing occurs in the executive order (as opposed to the criminal law) which, BTW, is a very serious offense in itself to violate an executive order - which states that the OUTING OF A COVERT AGENT EITHER INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY is a violation. Nodell simply was cornered and looked like a caged animal who wanted to jump out of his skin the entire time. As Waxman stated, Nodell is Bush’s “fall guy” in all of this.
They also highlighted little old Scottie McClellan’s statement that he’d been assured by the WH that no one there had been involved IN ANY WAY in the outing of this agent. What a total joke!
The question at hand is this: HAVE THE PEOPLE HAD ENOUGH YET?
If not, there’s more….and the more that’s coming is going to make people sick to their stomachs when they discover the ugly truth about those in whom we’ve placed not only our faith and trust but the future of this once-great country of ours.
The american people have been “had”. The question is how much abuse are we willing to tolerate before we expel these criminals from their offices?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#17R
March 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pmthis is a time of conflict .Wars are so yesterday.
This was the most stunning testimony I heard today. Unbelievable.. Nobody lost or had suspended security clearances, no reports filed, no questions asked, period. Who is running this country for God’s sake??
March 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pmOH MY GOD, WE’RE TOTALLY F*ED! I TOLD George not to make a move without checking with me first, that ungrateful slimebag. The best part of that boy ran down my leg, I swear to God!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pmJake these guys are going down on this or another crime .There are so many to choose from and at the end of the day it won’t be about a blow job.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:16 pmWhat if Plames status was declassified by the White House?
Comment by Jake — March 16, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
And for what reason? To punish her husband in a game of political retribution, even though it caused a major blow to monitoring of Iran’s nuclear program? And you want Bush directly tied to doing this?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAnd we would never suspect Fox of cherry picking info to advance the neocon agenda.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:17 pm#17 You are absolutely accurate. The was an intentional breach of National security in an attempt to muscle one of their critics into silence. This was an intentional breach of national security to enable their war agenda. This was hitting below the belt (mafia style - if you can’t nail the guy, get his wife or kids). This was criminal. This was intentional. This was a security breach for political purposes and personal greed (Haliburton and the oil interest of the Bush family). They would rather fill their own personal coffers than worry about the safety of outing an agent who was serving “us” - the people of this country - and whose job it was to protect.
I posit that no american is safe any longer. No americans life means a thing to these hardened criminals who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals of greed, power, and a coup on our democracy.
We are in a grave time of danger in this country right now in not being able to believe or trust that this government is looking out for our best interests. Our government has failed us miserably and continues to fail us more with each passing day. It would be better to have no governing authority than to have a corrupt one of shapeshifters, liars, and criminals running things.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmIn the testimony, Knodell was asked who his predecessor was — the one that was supposed to investigate.
He sheepishly answered “Jeffrey Thompson.” When asked what Thompson was doing now, Knodell said something about him being in Georgia.
It might be nice to find out what Thompson is doing these days.
Also, Knodell used to be a Secret Service agent. And a good guy, too. Pity for him to be another fall guy.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#21- It wasn’t Patsy. At least, not in the legal sense of the word BEFORE the act, Putz. Don’t talk to me anymore. I don’t like you. As a matter of fact, I hate, loath and despise you. Have a great day!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“#21
What if Plames status was declassified by the White House?
Comment by Jake — March 16, 2007 @ 3:12 pm”
They can’t!!!!
In order for something, anything to be declassified the ORIGINATOR of the classification must by off on the decalssification.
Is GW the originator of the CIA???? NO, so only the CIA can declassify her status you schmuck!
Do some damn research!!!!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmOf course not! They might have messed up and found something!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSheesh….
“I want to get to the bottom of thisâ€
Yeah, you and O.J. both.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:20 pmWhat if Plames status was declassified by the White House?
Comment by Jake
Please post a previous example when has a president has ever declassified working CIA personnels’ identities.
Just one.
You’re carping about Clinton, surely he also did this?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI think both sides scored some points here, and this thing, unfortunately, has gone as far as it can go now…. The Bush Leaguers can rest their hat on Toensing’s “not covert UNDER THE ACT” testimony now, until they’re blue in the face… she wrote the Act, but apparently won’t expand upon why Plame’s status doesn’t fall under the IIPA… regardless, Zaid pointed out rather profoundly that it was very curious no one lost their security clearance during the entire investigation…
What a shame that Fitzgerald nor Rove would testify… again, i think today’s hearing raises more questions and makes us all madder, but nothing will come of it….
the White House’s stonewalling strategy of “Prove we knew she was covert” has won out… what a travesty…
March 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pmA guillotine would do wonders in preventing tyranny in the future ! Let the American people make an example of these monsters as a warning to future tyrants !
March 16th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThomas Jefferson said that if you want to keep your democracy you must shoot a politician or 2 every few years just to let them know you aren’t sleeping .
HERE COMES OUR best chance CHANCE !
#14 valiant venus
TP - Where’s your report on Victoria Toensings’ testimony?? You want me to think you’re fair and balanced, don’t you? I would NEVER suspect TP of cherry picking info to advance the progressive agenda!
Not only is Victoria Toensing a liar. She’s a f*cking liar. And when I say liar, I don’t mean it the way Republicans do: someone I disagree with. I mean she says things that aren’t true with a deliberate intent to deceive and it doesn’t bother her in the least to do it.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:23 pm#35- That’s right, essentially. You’re a good soldier!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#27 Of course, there were no investigations of this “national security breach” because it was done by the highest officers in this country! They abused their executive power once again! (add that to the 800+ presidential signing statements)
I agree with you that the information and testimony given today was earth-shattering and so horrible that I’m embarassed that this could happen in my own country. As Plame testified: She expected that a foreign country might attempt to compromise her safety but NEVER did she imagine that it would be HER OWN COUNTRY which would turn against her and compromise her health and safety. Pretty damning words. But her words are a warning to us all -
Let Plame’s words be a warning of things to come unless we correct the probem we have in the WH - if we do not, we have no one to blame but ourselves. We know they are liars; we know they are corrupt; we know they will stop at nothing to harm an american citizens; we know they violate our constitutional rights - now what will we do about it? The only thing we can do is to press our representatives to call not only for the removal of GONZALES - but for the removal of CHENEY, BUSH AND ROVE immediately. They cannot be trusted; they have violated the laws of this country and they are taking this country down the sewer with them.
If this WH doesn’t care about an agent within the employ of the government, how can they give one iota of care about you and I??
March 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#40- I’ve never been to a Presidential execution, before. What should I pack; a black suit or is it more casual than that?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmMy favorite part was when asked what he would do now, Knodell said he ‘could’ go back to his office and talk to the head people (or something to that effect). He was challenged with “aren’t you the head guy” (or something to that effect)? “Does that mean you are going to go back and talk to yourself”? He answered “yes”.
Then when he was asked again about what he was going to do next about this, he answered that he could go back to his office and talk it over. Then he was challenged again with his choice of words “could” as opposed to “would”. He then said he “would”, where the questioning Congressman then said he wanted him to report back to them (or something to that effect).
He isn’t going to do anything.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmI don’t think the President declassified Plame’s status.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmTP - Where’s your report on Victoria Toensings’ testimony?? You want me to think you’re fair and balanced, don’t you? I would NEVER suspect TP of cherry picking info to advance the progressive agenda! Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
That’s funny, for you to mention Victoria Toensings and “cherry-picking” in the same sentence! Like you and mAnn Coulter, she’s another raving banshee that cherry picks, and acts entirely from venomous partisanship.
Now that we *know* the truth, she should be charged with perjury. And you should STFU, you already look like a heartless cold b*tch after making dead baby jokes about your non-existent children. Backing up a *known* perjurer, just makes you look like a traitor!
Oh wait, you are a *traitor*. Right wing, religious fascist terrorists - where have I heard that description before, and why does it sound *so* much like you?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#27 - Jenny G.,
March 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pmDick Cheney.
Not only is Victoria Toensing a liar. She’s a f*cking liar. And when I say liar, I don’t mean it the way Republicans do: someone I disagree with. I mean she says things that aren’t true with a deliberate intent to deceive and it doesn’t bother her in the least to do it. Comment by chimpeach — March 16, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
That’s why valiant venus *hearts* her. They’re both cut from the same sociopath’s cloth. Liars, fools, and st*pid c*nts!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmthe White House’s stonewalling strategy of “Prove we knew she was covert†has won out… what a travesty…
Comment by Fitz for president — March 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
I think you are drawing a premature conclusion here.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pm# 44 come as you are .Your an American.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAnd you wonder why the PEOPLE of this country threw the Republicans out of office?
Isn’t oversight just WONDERFUL!
Finally this house of sticks is starting to collapse on itself.
We still may get an impeachment out of this, or better yet jail terms.
So you think Bush is thinking of pardoning Cheney, resigning, and then have Cheney pardon him?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#39 I disagree - I believe that today’s testimony made crystal clear that Nodell’s office was either stopped from investigating this matter or that he was “complicit” with Bush, Cheney and Rove in it all and he will be the next one to “go”. Also, I believe that the anger of actually knowing how dispicable their actions against one of their own (a covert agent) have been proven to be will light a fire for impeachment of this administration.
THERE IS NO DOUBT IN THE MIND OF ANYONE LISTENING TODAY THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION INTENTIONALLY OUTED A PROTECTED CIA AGENT which is the “only thing” which will be laid to rest after today.
Toensing’s testimony only addressed the relevancy of the criminal aspect of all of this and not the executive order and what violation of that means. The significance of the executive order speaks even louder for the cause of justice and prosecution of the offender when it states “intentional or unintentional outing of a covert agent” and that speaks to the intent of precisely how heinous the outing (either intentional or unintentional) is deemed to be.
Sorry, but I think it’s wishful thinking on your part that this is the “end of it all” - I see this as truly the “beginning of a huge problem for this WH” now…..it may be the “straw that breaks the back finally of this administration of smoke & mirrors”….
I have great faith in the spirit of true patriotism welling up within the souls of americans today to stop this coup on our democracy in it’s tracks….today was simply STEP ONE.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI don’t think the President declassified Plame’s status.
Comment by Jake — March 16, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
If she isn’t covert - as you right wingnuts claim, what status would you be referring to?
You’re really a st*pid, st*pid, st*pid old man - that really should stop scraping the crap from others and posting it here. You plagiarists of the rightwing should learn to come up with your own *talking-points*. Your parroting of the same old b*llsh*t just makes you look like a complete moron with your head stuck up your own *sses. Oh wait, that’s an accurate description - never mind! ;)
March 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmCan we start to call the White House “The Bunker” from now on?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmA senior official quoted Bush as saying, “I want to get to the bottom of this,†during a daily meeting yesterday morning with a few top aides, including Rove.
Bush: “If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is.“
I suspect that Bush (or someone with skills) did “get to the bottom” of the issue and did tell Bush what happened. The rest is cover-up for the ILLEGAL outing or declassification of a covert agent’s identity. Don’t forget it was the CIA, the agency that classified and must be the one to declassify Plame, who sought the investigation in the first place.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmBill Clinton’s penis did it too.
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmHeh
March 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmCome on you mean a traditional investigation. No, no, that’s not what the Preznit meant.
See, after asking Condi if he could go potty, the Preznit of the free world was sitting there on his potty chair, and he asked God, “Did anyone i know do anything naughty, you know, he-he, about this CIA leak thing?” He sat there waiting, squeezing real hard, real hard work you all, and suddenly he heard a voice, “No Georgie, no one did anything naughty”
And with that, the President of the free world wiped his little hinny, and the investigation was over.
That’s how Georgie investigates.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmWasn’t it primto to see little Miss Vicky being put in her place? She’s one twisted, ugly individual whose mouth is going to get her into heap big trouble soon. Her REPUBLISCUMISM was showing miserably during her testimony and I believe that Waxman handily made chopped liver out of her before all was said and done. I can’t wait for this committee to check the official transcripts of the Libby Trial and prove that she was committing “perjury” herself today with her emphatic statements as though she were taking her conclusions right out of the Libby trial. I can’t wait…..she’s what I would call an overstuffed douchebag.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmBush: “If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is.“
…or they just told Bush it was about Barney leaking on the flowers in the Rose Garden and not to worry about it.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmWowzers!! What a fall guy for sure. His taking one for the team does not seem to help matters for ROVE/CHANEY though? Even though it looks like things are breaking open for some reason I doubt Bush & Co. will get ousted. Who can say what can happen now from explosions, super nova, tidal wave, invasion or defcon 5.
Clinton obstructed for denial of sexual activity. Wars, attacks, theft, traitorous conduct and possibly fixed elections and Bush is still here…
March 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmIsn’t Karma BRILLIANT?
…Bushiva’s own “Dad” (41)…
…made it a CRIME…
…to out a serving covert CIA agent…
…and THAT very THING…
…might bring down his son’s presidency…
…BRILLIANT I tell you…
…BRILLIANT!
…not even Shakespeare could’ve written such “IRONY”…
March 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pm#29 You got it! They’re halfway sunk as the sun sets today and it will be “child’s play” now to select which one to use to totally sink this rotted bag of an administration……eenie, meanie, miney, moe…..let’s see which one’s to go today?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pmClinton faced impeachment for lying under oath about adultery, while a national security leak sanctioned by a White House staffer and lied about as to tis provenance and the supposed investigation will likely go unpunished. Republicans will no doubt dismiss such comparisons as hateful politics of personal destruction or some other projection. Un-be-liev-able.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmHow does VT know Plame was not covert under the statue if she never talk to the CIA Or Plame (Vicki said this under oath)about her status?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pm#21 Jake, from what I understand the white house can not just arbitrarily decide to declassify something with out going back and forth with the CIA to begin with. That said, if they did declassify her status, why did they not simply tell investigators that way back when this thing was still in its infancy? Why would Bush make all those statements about finding the culprit and firing anyone involved etc… I’m assuming that if she was declassified he would know. What was he covering up if he had her declassified and pretended not to ? Sorry, but saying they did declassify it is exercising revisionist history.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmTP - Where’s your report on Victoria Toensings’ testimony?? You want me to think you’re fair and balanced, don’t you? I would NEVER suspect TP of cherry picking info to advance the progressive agenda!
Comment by valiant venus
TP only feeds their moonbats “half-truth enriched moonbat food”.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmJake your in over your head here buddy , not because you aren’t a good swimmer but because the currents too strong .
March 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmGuy Fawkes day.
Big Papa - Thanks for the karmic connection here! This one is going to tank little Bush - big time!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmOne, two, three, four…..thugs to go now. Gonzo is first; Rove is second; Cheney is third and Bush is fourth. It will be a very interesting couple of months. Has Dumbya’s number reached 28 yet? My prediction two years ago is that when/if his number reaches 28, he’s a goner…….time is ticking down……29 and counting…
March 16th, 2007 at 3:38 pmVicky T-Bag Toensing says listen to her opinion of whether or not a CIA agent is covert. Don’t listen to the Director of National Intelligence who confirmed that she was covert.
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#59- Absolutely. She apparently lied under oath and it’s gratifying to see justice in action, once again. I forgot what a rush it can be! This is going to be one HUGE scandal that will be unprecedented in sheer numbers of people indicted for very serious crimes. Who knows where all this can lead?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“#70
One, two, three, four…..thugs to go now. Gonzo is first; Rove is second; Cheney is third and Bush is fourth.
Comment by veritas — March 16, 2007 @ 3:38 pm”
You forgot Rice……
March 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAnyone know what Jeffrey Thompson is doing now? I did feel sorry for Nodell as he was totally unprepared for the fallout of this hearing. Someone above mentioned that he was once a “good guy” and I could see his level of remorse and sadness today. He really has no one to blame but himself though in accepting a job which he probably knew he wouldn’t be allowed to do. That’s always one’s personal choice. When you work for power mongers who only delegate when their arsses are on the line and want a scapegoat to cover their butts, that’s what happens. It was Nodell’s bad karma or bad luck then to accept this position within this dictatorship.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAaaggghhh, Flaco dust all over my computer!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmTick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock… Why me laugh?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmAmazing testimony. The Office that is responsible for making sure that classified material is not released from the White House did absolutely nothing after classified material was leaked from the White House. Someone ask him why. I hope someone plays with Snowjob with this bit of information.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pmYou forgot Rice…… Comment by RemoveBush
We’ll just throw that after the Pelosi swearing in ceremony.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI wish they had played the clip of Scottie when he was speaking for Dubya and said: “The president has assured me that if anyone in his administration is involved in this terrible crime of outing an agent, they will be immediately dismissed from their job”…..ah….does that mean that he’s dismissing himself now? or Rove? or Cheney? Or was that just another lie to add to the mountain of lies by our commander in chief?
Wasn’t it the “first lie” that should have had our commander in chief removed???????
March 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pmDamn I feel good today !Whats for dinner?
March 16th, 2007 at 3:46 pmThis fellow looked like someone ran over his puppy. It was pure schadenfreude to watch the Minority Chair yammer like a baboon about not being given enough avdance notice of Knodell’s testimony in order to “prepare” (which I take to mean “practice lying.”)
Then, their star witness Toensing just sat there pulling flying bats out of her posterior. She had nothing relevant to offer except her opinion as a Republican operative.
No doubt about it: the zipperheads are in deep.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pm#79
March 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pmNot in a dictatorship .
I hope someone plays with Snowjob with this bit of information.
Snow was too busy claiming that a list ranking prosecutors by how much they were “Loyal Bushies” has nothing to do with a political test for that office.
Oh, but Clinton once fired a prosecutor for biting a stripper, so it’s all the same. And by “the same” I mean that Democrats are worse, of course.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pm.
#35 Nodell’s career is obviously over (if he ever really had one other than his job description which meant nothing)…I do feel sorry for this man personally because he was so “at sea” as to realizing that He (Nodell) was “the man at the top” - obviously, he’s been so abused and pummeled by this administration that he wasn’t certain who he was, what his responsibilities are, nor to whom he reports….initially I thought he was some sort of “underling” who needed to check with someone at the top of his office by his sheepish responses….BUT when I realized that Nodell is THE HEAD of his Office, wow! Anyone watching that hearing had to be shaking their heads.
Over the course of the past two years, we’ve witnessed case after case of incompetence and/or intentional twisting of the truth and the law…..we’ve seen things which make no sense but are used for the effect of confusing the interpretation of our laws….we’ve witnessed such incredible chicanery at the highest levels of supposed respect in this country that it’s beginning to resemble a “three ring circus” now.
And, since we are paying the salaries of these “admitted incompetents” in our employ, why not have the people press to pull the plug and fire them all - just like they wanted to do with the attorneys who were going after their political cronnies…..just fire their butts outta there once and for all???? Let’s get it over with….
The people have had enough!
March 16th, 2007 at 3:52 pm#56 -
That is exactly the right question the wingnuts should be asking. Who requested the original investigation?
The right puts the Republican party so far above the country they hardly remember what is to be one of us, to be a real American.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThis was an absolutely stunning revelation.
(I almost felt sorry for the guy — I am sure he is spending the rest of the afternoon in the bathroom - he was so nervous.)
But since the WH planned this leak and carefully executed it, why would there be an investigation of themselves?
Their corruption is astonishing.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIncompetence meet corruption.
The result is complete disaster. We are not safe, folks. We are in harm’s way under this administration. They look out for themselves and there is no consideration of anyone else.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmRight on #62, big papa, in the tao of all things, if you want to get rid of something, let it prosper. The way of governance is the will of the people. Soon the people will see the disharmony of their ways.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmPolitics vs justice.
It will be wonderful to see that twisted mouth, Vicky T-Bag, go down for perjury, won’t it? She spoke with such authority today about things she knows absolutely nothing about. She somehow believes that her measly little prosecutorial background trumps what the director of the CIA says about one’s employment status? She needs to get a life.
It was clear that Vicky T-Bag is simply that: an over-the-hill bag who is trying to remain relevant because she had something to do with drafting something some 25 or 30 years ago. Waxman nailed that D-bag right in her tracks and she went out of there looking like a sycophantic neocon whore who knows absolutely nothing about this case other than what we know from the official transcripts but who doesn’t have the brains to realize that she is being used because of her gigantic and ignorant mouth! They pushed her into it becuase they thought she’d use her mouth to shout down the members of the committee. Miss Vicky failed to realize the level of intelligence of both the members of Waxman’s commitee and the american people. Her testimony was simply sent in as a “smoke screen” and it will be great to see what happens to Miss T Bag when they hold her to her statements after the statements are checked for veracity to the official trial transcripts…..I see perjury in her future! Clever of Waxman to ask her under oath about the truth of her very emphatic statements. Very clever and now she’s hooked.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:58 pmBush vowing to find the culprit has the same ring as Oj vowing to track down Nicole’s killer. The difference is that OJ only had the blood of two people on his hands, Bush has the blood of hundreds of thousands.
And the smart money is that neither will be punished for their murders.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWhere’s your report on Victoria Toensings’ testimony?? You want me to think you’re fair and balanced, don’t you? I would NEVER suspect TP of cherry picking info to advance the progressive agenda!
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
I addressed it earlier and you said it was ancient history even though she was testifying at the time.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWhat do you want to know now. She was saying that she drafted the law and a law was not broken. She did not have the information about this case she said. But it she said it appears that outing her violates executive order and administrative rules.
Toensig is a skilled attorney. She participated in writing the original law and she is expert at parsing words. But it is the executive order that is being used as the standard in this case.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWaxman would not stand for her grandstanding.
I thought it was interesting how Toensing attempted to suggest that “She” was reponsible for drafting the original law, wasn’t it? She doesn’t have much of a problem with misplaced narcissism, does she?
It was painful to watch this women attempt to make a point based on antiquated information to the extent that Waxman almost told her outright - “that was then….this is now”….”hello…..earth to Vicky…..who cares what you did and when???” Clearly, she’s been spouting off her opinions in the press and needs to be held accountable finally for her part in this “misinformation scandal” and for intentionally circulating untrue propaganda.
I see big things for Miss Vicky and know that we’ve not seen the last of her….she said some pretty preposterous things under oath and I suspect that she perjured herself several times….ho-hum….it’s the “reality soap opera called “Bush’s Administration” these days…..stay tuned to tomorrow’s episode….like today, it will be another “doosey”.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pmAfter all of that and not a PEEP from FOX…4:05PM here
March 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pmVictoria Toensing = Susan Atkins
March 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pmBut doesn’t Knodell “Serve at the pleasure of the President”? LOL
Watched The Daily Show the other day and they had clips from Gonzo, Rummy and quite a few more including the President himself use the phrase “I (he) serves at the pleasure of the President.”
What a god damned joke they are.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pm#90 And with the blood of thousands of innocent victims (slaughter of the innocents?), the karmic payback will be unbelievable.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pmAtty. Zaid said that he has defended many people in cases like this and for far, far less egregious acts, they have been seriously reprimanded, lost privileges and suffered greatly.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:06 pmOne guy took ballpoint pens thirty years previously.
One guy had $62 in non-approved charges on his expense account.
Each of them lost security clearance and were seriously punished.
He was amazed that nothing has happened to anyone in this serious and potentially dangerous breach of confidentiality.
Yikes: I believe this administration’s jokes have trumped even the John Stewart show! They’ve become the “comic relief” each day as the “three ring circus clowns” perform (Bush, Cheney, Gonzales)…..
March 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pmMs. Toensing, your participation in drafting that law was so Pre 9/11.
-GSD
March 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWatching the collective progressive orgasm here at TP reminds me that Waxman, et al, are doing exactly what they are supposed to do - throw you guys bones to nibble on…..
March 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pmAnyone find it interesting that Waxman left Vicki’s testimony open and was going to exam her statements under oath?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe administration has effectively removed the truth and facts as part of the binding rule of law. We now have the ultimate bait being set up for everyone to recognize that the power that the President has garnered unilaterly for himself is not going to be curtailed in any effective manor for quite some time. They can lie and continue, sets a pretty clear example for sucess of the powerfull doesn’t it?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pm#90 - nanlichi,
March 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pmNot, at least, on this side of Hell anyway.
I believe that now the american public (thanks to Toensing’s testimony) knows two critical things: Toensing outed her Republican Lock Step Roots and the critical difference between “the law” and an “executive order”. In this case, however, the executive order is the standard as it speaks to the violation from a much more agregious platform: the intentional OR unintentional outing of an operative. That’s huge! Now the american people know the distinction, know that national security was intentionally breached, and can do something about it.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pmGSD - The Law the Dems have been citing was co-authored by Victoria Toensing and is VERY pre-9/11. Thank you for paying attention.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pmWhat if Plames status was declassified by the White House?
Comment by Jake — March 16, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Maybe somebody should have told her or the head of the CIA so he could remove other operatives from harms way.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pmWhere did you go to college again Jake?
Marie - Hi! Can you believe that clients lost their security clearance for taking ball point pens and Rove didn’t lose it when he admitted to outing a CIA operative’s identity? Where has our system of justice descended? Or $62.00 on an expense report when billions of our taxpayer dollars have gone missing and no one is doing a thing about it? What the heck has happend to this country?
Can you just imagine one of our deceased relatives coming back from the dead and witnessing the level of corruption in the highest of places in our government today? They’re probably rolling over in their graves right now to see the destruction of this country by a group of twisted, unethical, corrupt, greedy neocons and probably can’t believe it is happening.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pm“fair and balanced”
LOL
Guess that means FOX doesn’t have to worry about the truth. As long as they believe it’s fair and balanced. LOL
March 16th, 2007 at 4:13 pm#102 - I did….and still am thinking about his rationale in doing that. I suspect that he will get her on a perjury charge down the road.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIt would seem we have a known leak.
We also have an unknown leak.
Was it a good leak? That’s not known.
Was it a bad leak? Yes, that’s known.
How can the department of leaks know?
That’s unknown.
What is known is leaks took place.
Look, you don’t go to Congress with the leaks you know.
You go to Congress with the leaks that are unknown.
When will be know?
That’s unknown at this time.
How soon will it be known?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmI don’t know, but I’ll talk to myself about it at the office.
Nice. I think it’s time to start impeachment proceedings.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pm“Waxman would not stand for her grandstanding.”
Comment by Marie
ESPECIALLY when he so eloquently grandstanded himself. I could have sworn the re-invention of Tom Foley had taken place….
March 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmTroll #101 - you know the adage - “if you don’t like the game, take your toys and split”…hahahah!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmGSD - The Law the Dems have been citing was co-authored by Victoria Toensing and is VERY pre-9/11. Thank you for paying attention.
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
If I’m not mistaken, laws written pre-9/11 still apply today.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#101 valiant venus
Watching the collective progressive orgasm here at TP reminds me that Waxman, et al, are doing exactly what they are supposed to do - throw you guys bones to nibble on…..
Yup, the bones of dead corrupt Republicans.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pmShane, education aside, what makes you think a logical sequence of events for the release of something’s classification should exist. What if , after all the President granted the Vice President the authority to declassify something on March, 23 2003, the decision to shut down Brewster Jennings along with Ms Wilson hadn’t already happened and all the VP was doing was clearing the release of that information. Why was she at Langley? Well maybe she’d already been given the pink slip from Cheney’s group and her husband called them on why her op was shut down. Why were the 16 words removed from the SOU speech? How’s that?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:18 pmJust saw on another thread that the WH is feigning “blurry memory” on the purging of the justices….hah! They’ve got more than blurry memory - they’ve got a whole omelet on their faces these days. Since we pay them to do their jobs competently and with clear memory, then clearly admitting to having “memory problems” is indicative of serious mental disease and, therefore, they are no longer capable or qualified to do the jobs for which they are paid….
They’re getting boxed into a corner now like cowering, sick animals….desperation is written all over this administration. Desperate people do desperate things…..Gonzo will walk, Cheney will take medical leave and Dumbya will be hospitalized for psychiatric problems….
March 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pmValiant Venus is a misnomer….the planet they’re from is not Venus at all…..it’s Uranus!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI think Valient Venus should defend Victoria Toensing Pro Bono.
She could use a really bad lawyer about now.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWhen Ms. Plame that it hit her in the gut what her country had done to her (to paraphrase) we have to ask why anybody would want to serve this country anymore. Agent of the CIA and FBI have always been the best and the brightest of law enforcement and that’s the respect they get.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pmSoldiers fight wars to protect us and our rights and the government not only doesn’t take care of these brave people when they return but the President and his cronies steal our rights out from under us at the same time.
It is sickening and something needs to be done and soon.
39. Comment by Fitz for president — March 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
To quote the great Yogi Berra, “It ain’t over til its over.”
March 16th, 2007 at 4:23 pm#108,
We watched the entire hearing at work today. (small office)
It was hard to get work done.
Zaid’s testimony was very interesting - and revealing in that no one has suffered anything from this breach of security.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:24 pm——————————————-
VV This was not her hearing. She put on her attorney’s hat and used her talents - I give her credit for being one smart cookie, but she did not come off well. She was parsing words too much, and ignored that the executive order was the standard; she ignored that and continued to tout her credentials from the past.
No wonder the Repugs wanted her there - she did her best, and she must be formidable in the courtroom, but this was a hearing and she was obviously defiant and intransigent.
Unless we get these criminals out of office there’s going to be as many pardons by this fascist regime as there are signing statements!!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSorry, shane, the Terms of Use I agreed to a few days ago prohibits me from posting personal information including, but not limited to, where (or if) I went to college. You will note that I do not ask for your personal information. Why don’t we stick to the relevant points of the debate?
P.S. freeman — thanks for the heads up.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:26 pmWonder what Toensing’s quid pro quo was for today’s testimony? Bet she ends up with a big appointment, oh that’s right they’re looking for a replacement for that Gonzalez guy.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:27 pmLet’s pick side then. I am in favor of the proposition that the White House never investigated the Plame leak because no law was broken or, alternatively, they were asked not to by Patrick Fitzgerald. Anyone willing to debate that?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI’d have to go with the VP’s office had shut down BJ and didn’t realize she was Wilson’s wife. That certainly would be quite a cocktail tidbit wouldn’t it. What fuck ups. What day did BJ shut down?Makes sense that she was at Langely doesn’t it? Everyone is disposable to this administration, aren’t they?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:36 pmTrust me, Shane, it is “Over” and has been “over” for some time. Now it’s all about the crying - investigating, indicting, and incarcerating….get a grip, ’tis OVER long ago.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:37 pmshane,
Jake’s career is what made him what he is today.
He worked as a crash dummy for the NASA Rocket Sled program.
After each run they would scrape his brains off of the base of the sled into a bucket, turn him upside down, put a funnel into each nostril and pour them back in.
He still sloshes when he nods or shakes his head.
Every once in a while, the air relief valve at the back of his head malfunctions and a little grey matter drips out. Of recent, no one notices a difference when that occurs.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:38 pmJake, there are more than two possibilities.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:39 pmIt’s clear that this government doesn’t take a “breach of national security” to be significant in any way - that is, when they are doing the intentional “breaching”. However, the letter of the law exempts no one in the breaching of national security and the quashing of Knodell’s investigation which, as concluded today, SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE IMMEDIATELY, was part of the criminal cover up. Now that the ugly truth about how certain individuals feel themselves to be “above the law” and “able to intentionally breach our national security, it will be interesting to observe the wheels of justice move in the direction of chewing them up and spitting them out, one by ugly one.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:41 pmLet’s pick side then. I am in favor of the proposition that the White House never investigated the Plame leak because no law was broken or, alternatively, they were asked not to by Patrick Fitzgerald. Anyone willing to debate that?
Comment by Jake
Sure. You start by providing any evidence at all that supports your pure supposition.
And start by making a clear case that the White House was in the position to know that a law had not been broken, prior to any investigation.
Then explain how they could have been acting at the behest of a special prosecutor who had not been appointed, and at the time when they were actually resisting the need for such an appointment. Did Fitz have a time machine?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:42 pmWe all knew this and I’m sure the do nothing 109th congress did too…
March 16th, 2007 at 4:42 pmJake, dear misinformed (and probably juvenile), you are oversimplifying a very criminal misdeed here in your inane assertion. We now KNOW the facts; they’ve admitted to violating the executive order in intentionally outing a covert agent. What is your brain malfunction here?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:42 pmThanks, Walt for “outing” Jake the snake! I love it!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#132 don’t waste your intelligent brain cells on a misinformed, arrogant, ignorant individual and save them for conversation which is meaningful. Most of us at TP recognize “Jake” and know that he is irrelevant and a paid troll. We don’t feed the trolls here at TP.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:45 pmOversimplification appears to be Jake’s mantra.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThat’s huge! Now the american people know the distinction, know that national security was intentionally breached, and can do something about it.
Comment by veritas — March 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
Not necessarily. Since the average American doesn’t even watch the news and there’s all those Fox News nut how many people will actually know.
Apathy seems to be the enemy of this democracy.
While we are here discussing and learning how many people were watching soap operas and E!
Apparently the media doesn’t feel beholding to the United States but worships at the feet of this administration.
Capitalism trumps democracy - god help us all.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:47 pmThe Law the Dems have been citing was co-authored by Victoria Toensing and is VERY pre-9/11. Thank you for paying attention.
Comment by valiant venus — March 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
Keep up VV - they didn’t break the law but they violated Executive Order and broke Administrative Rules.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWhat are you so happy about. STFU
#129 - Walt, thanks for clearing that up. :)
March 16th, 2007 at 4:51 pm[…] maybe they already knew who did it? Dr. James Knodell, director of the Office of Security at the White House, revealed today that to […]
March 16th, 2007 at 4:52 pm“Marie - Hi! Can you believe that clients lost their security clearance for taking ball point pens and Rove didn’t lose it when he admitted to outing a CIA operative’s identity?”
Re Rove: Have you always been so mentally challenged - or do you suffer from an audio disability. A-R-M-IT-A-G-E “outed” Val.
What do you think of Sandy Berger’s sentence for concealing documents in his pants and socks and leaving them under a truck? Naturally, he picked them up later…..I tried really hard not to kick up pebbles in his face!
March 16th, 2007 at 4:52 pmTerrible trolls today! Can’t we get some intelligent ones for a change?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:55 pmOh, maybe they are all hiding under their beds!
Sorry, shane, the Terms of Use I agreed to a few days ago prohibits me from posting personal information including, but not limited to, where (or if) I went to college.
Comment by Jake — March 16, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Another example of Jake’s poor reading comprehension. The terms of agreement say no such thing. What a doofus.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#135 - veritas,
March 16th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI’m glad you liked it. Iy popped into my mind after Jake’s post #125. It took me two minutes to compose. I hesitated, but, then, Jake came up with #127 - that sealed the deal.
111. Comment by Zimzone — March 16, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Good one. Can you read Bushies mind?
March 16th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by the fly-man — March 16, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
You lost me at education aside - sorry I don’t understand what you’re saying or in response to what.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“Can you read Bushies mind?”
Nothing there to read.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:01 pm#143 He also said he served (in the armed forces) which is personal information and now he says he can’t give personal information.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:02 pmRove is apparently an expert at political dirty tricks, mean-spiritedness, revenge and underhandedness, but fortunately he’s too stupid to know to fake an investigation. Or perhaps it was hubris that caused him to overlook this strategy. Truth always wins in the end.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:05 pmTrust me, Shane, it is “Over†and has been “over†for some time. Now it’s all about the crying - investigating, indicting, and incarcerating….get a grip, ’tis OVER long ago.
Comment by veritas — March 16, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
This was in response to somebody saying the Plam investigation was over and I don’t believe it’s over. I think there’s much much more that can be investigated after today.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:06 pmall legal issues aside, this kind of thing just doesn’t pass the smell test. it severely undermines this administration’s already anemic credibility, which may not be a big thing to the 30%ers and other apologists, but to the rest of the country, it matters. snow tried to parse the phrase “loyal Bushies.” it just doesn’t pass the smell test and it’s embarrassing to have leadership [or lack thereof] like this.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:06 pmShane - A bit about a woman you obviously KNOW NOTHING about:
“Toensing was Chief Counsel to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, where she helped draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982…..Being one of the key people to help draft the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, Toensing has been retained by a number of media organizations to give commentary on the Plame Affair.”
So your brain doesn’t expplode - allow me to assist you. From the Freedom if Information website -
“It’s with special pride, then, that I now sign this piece of legislation into law. Thank you, and God bless you.
[At this point, the President signed the bill.]
It’s law.
Note: The President spoke at 11:32 a.m. outside the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters building in Langley, Va. Prior to his remarks, he was given a tour of the building at which time he spoke to a small group of CIA employees.
As enacted, H.R. 4 is Public Law 97 - 200, approved June 23.”
March 16th, 2007 at 5:07 pmYour welcome, little tool……