Hume Launches New Smear: Plame Lied Under Oath
Hume Launches New Smear: Plame Lied Under Oath
Today on Fox News Sunday, Brit Hume continued his campaign to smear Valerie Plame Wilson. Previously, he had falsely said that it was “unlikely she was” covert.
Instead of apologizing this morning, he launched a new attack against Plame, claiming that she had lied under oath when she testified on Friday about whether she recommended her husband be sent to Niger to investigate Iraq’s supposed nuclear ambitions.
Hume said Plame’s testimony “flies in the face of the evidence” adduced by the “bipartisan” Senate Intelligence Committee, which said that “she very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo.” Watch it:
Plame testified that she never suggested her husband for the Niger trip. “I did not recommend him, I did not suggest him, there was no nepotism involved — I didn’t have the authority,” she said.
Hume’s false claim originated from a statement attached to the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Iraq that was released in 2004. In an addendum to that report, Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS), Christopher Bond (R-MO), and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) wrote definitively, “The plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested by the former ambassador’s wife, a CIA employee.” The right-wing, including columnist Bob Novak, have taken the statement written by three Republican senators and falsely attributed it as the “unanimous” conclusion of the Senate report.
The three conservative senators based their claim on testimony by a CIA employee who appeared before the Senate Intel Committee. Plame revealed on Friday that the CIA employee later apologized to her “with tears in his eyes” because he said “his words had been twisted and distorted” by the senators. And in fact, the unnamed employee drafted a memo, asking that he be re-interviewed by the Senate to correct the record. His attempts to set the record straight were denied. On Friday, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) asked to retrieve a copy of that memo:
REP. VAN HOLLEN: So, just so I understand, Mr. Chairman, if I could — so, there was a memo written by the [Counterproliferation Division] officer, upon whose alleged testimony the Senate wrote its report that contradicts the conclusions –
MS. PLAME WILSON: Absolutely.
REP. VAN HOLLEN: — contradicts the conclusions from that report.
MS. PLAME WILSON: Yes, sir.
REP. VAN HOLLEN: Mr. Chairman, it seems to me that this committee should ask for that memo. And it bears directly on the credibility of the Senate report on this very, very important issue, which they’ve attempted to use to discredit Ambassador Wilson’s mission.
REP. WAXMAN: I think the gentleman makes an excellent point, and we will insist on getting that memo.
Transcript:
HUME: And the other thing that needs to be noted here is when she says that she had nothing to do with getting her husband the trip, that flies in the face of the evidence adduced by the Senate Intelligence Committee whose findings were released not on a partisan basis — the bipartisan findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was that she very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo.
WALLACE: So she was lying under oath?
HUME: I think that there is reason to question her credibility on that point.
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Hume questions someone else's credibility?
March 18th, 2007 at 11:41 amHUME IS A JACKA$$ AND A JOKE.whoops caps lock. I guess like most loyal Redudlicans, he just goes on the MEMO he receives and doesn't actually bother to pay any attention to what he is 'reporting'...
March 18th, 2007 at 11:45 amBrit Hume should be sanctioned...
...he (as are ALL Fox trolls) is without a doubt...
...an enemy of democracy and the rule of law...
...Fox is working overtime to spread misinformation and Bushite spin...
...and deserves "special attention"...
...in the nature of logistical, staff, and leadership "makeovers"...
March 18th, 2007 at 11:49 amMy how easily they accuse others of lying. Yet when they are accused, good God, you'd think the walls would come tumbling down.
At least this cadaverous slice of refuse won't be able to retire to a life of credibility.
He's the Tokyo Rose of our generation.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 11:49 amValerie just got owned. She is a liar like her husband. She does have one redeeming quality unlike Scum Joe in that she is really hot. I want her to pose for Playboy.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:51 amOK Mr. Hume, we will buy your premise that the Wilsons are liars. Please explain to your viewers why the VP's Chief of Staff would perjure himself, obstruct justice, and become a convicted felon for the Wilson's lies? And if the Wilsons are liars, why are you giving them valuable FOX News air time? I am sure, Mr. Hume, that you will soon have Republican lawmakers (other than hacks like Victoria Tounsing) on your program who will back up your claims, right?
March 18th, 2007 at 11:51 amIsn't calling someone a liar considered LIBEL.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amThat Hume would think that a memo from 3 GOP senators about Plame would in fact represent the entire report is just another example of how deluded these jackasses are. Hume and his ilk have no regard for the truth-they will just continue to suck down the RNC Kool Aid.
Plame was very credible and if Hume wants to get into a pissing contest over her veracity then BRING IT ON BABY.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:54 amThe fact of the matter is, 30% will believe Bush, Republicans and Fox News regardless of anything to the contrary. We see that in the trolls here. They would cling to one lie after another rather than admit they were duped. They will do anything, believe anything, say anything, except that they were wrong.
That's why they admire Bush so much. No matter how wrong He is, He refuses to admit it nor take responsibility. To them, Bush is the epitomy of strength in the face of adversity. They have supplanted reason with blind faith and absolutely no reasoned argument can penatrate that faith. To give up on that faith would be a sign of weakness.
They are driven by their fears.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:55 amThe Wilsons should include Hume to their law suit for slander.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:56 amfirehead prove your claim she is a liar or forever be known as a troll. Are you calling Gen. Hayden a liar too? How incredibly pathetic of you when your delusions bump into reality and facts.
How heavy is the water today misogynistic pig?
March 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amTP notes that hume said:
“flies in the face of the evidence†produced by the “bipartisan†Senate Intelligence Committee
what i hear, and SEE, is "flies in the face of evidence INDUCED by the ..."
so, actually, it sounds like that "evidence" WAS induced by the 3 senators who twisted the CIA employees' testimony...
in·duce –verb
March 18th, 2007 at 11:58 am1. to lead or move by persuasion or influence...
just sayin'...
Hume is lying out of desperation. He knows that after the Bush regime goes down, investigation will uncover close coordination between Fox and the White House to produce propaganda. Fox will lose its broadcasting license and Hume will lose his job.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:59 amWhen Rape-Public-Can's false talking points are crushed by factual reality they retreat further into their denial. Sad lost little sheeple. It is a confounding question in how their gene pool survived this long.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:01 pmWouldn't it help to clear up any ambiguity if, as Rep Van Hollens' request is followed through?
March 18th, 2007 at 12:01 pmOf course, if the memo has been destroyed, then what?
Well then, why not request that the three esteemed senators standup and be counted. Who wants to take the bet that they will not!
billjpa@aol.com
Comment by TheConsumers #7
...be advised...
...the fool responsible for the comment to which you responded...
...is here for amusement ONLY...
...Please keep your distance from its cage...
...an do not throw cigarette buts or peanuts its way...
...or it will bend over and show you its red, swollen a*s...
March 18th, 2007 at 12:01 pmIs it just me or is there something really loathsome about Hume? He's get that perpetual borderline smirk that sort of says he doesn't give a shit about facts; what's important is advancing the agenda and running interference for the GOP.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWhat an a##hole Hume is. Enough said!!
March 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIsn’t calling someone a liar considered LIBEL.
Comment by TheConsumers — March 18, 2007 @ 11:53 am
He didn't call her a liar outright. He said her testimony “flies in the face of the evidence [shoved into the report by three unscrupulous republican senators].â€
March 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmI saw this and freaked. Hume was DELIBERATELY lying through his teeth. Juan Williams was shifting in his chair. Hume is an embarrassment to REAL JOURNALISTS. He's a liar and an accomplice in the hoodwinking of America.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThanks Katy (#12), I checked the official transcript and it says "adduced." So I put that in.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmHume's doctrine: When all else fails, lie. And lie often.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmAmericans have come to accept lies and other prevarications as casually as breathing air. This is why Fox still previals. And anyway no one challenges the lies so why stop ? The lying of course started with Chimpy on the top branch and hasnt stopped since.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pmCan't some of you dolts understand that trolls like firehead are just being sarcastic? He's just trolling. (You do know what that means, right dolts?) I too, will make commenst and just watch as the dolts will just go wild. And this board seems like an easy target to troll. The dolts come out in droves.
The whole idea of trolling is to get dolts in a frenzy and obviously it works here. In fact, if you fools continue to be bothered by trolls, then I am going to leave sarcastic, trolling comments and watch you dolts go crazy.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmFor all the latest CIA leak/PlameGate news, legal documents, timelines and other essential materials surrounding the Bush administration's outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame and its politics of payback against Joseph Wilson, see:
March 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pm"The CIA Leak/PlameGate Resource Center."
"adduced" ! ... well, another new word!
that wasn't meant to make you correct anything, faiz... but thanks!
in my beautiful little head i was going somewhere with it...
March 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pmmaybe pointing out that hume was measuring his words very carefully and craftily (is that a word?)... on THAT point he was right... only that...
When Waxman says he's going to get that memo, I can only think "Yippee!" Of course, if the memo is published, turdpuffs like Hume will simply pretend it (a) never existed or (b) was forged by the Bush-haters in the CIA. The Bushies and their flacks are going to their graves without ever conceding that the administration has lied, distorted and slandered its way through the past six years.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pmHume is just trying to spoon feed the spit drooling right wing nuts who can't handle the disaster of Bush's endless policy failures.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:14 pmFreebird (#9): Did Juan say anything or did he just sit there and fidget while Brit lied away? If he just sat there he's an accomplice in the "hoodwinking" too. He needs to know the facts and be there ready and willing to call Brit Hume out on the lies.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWell, if Valerie Plame lied under oath, then I think that the Justice Department should assign a US Attorney to charge her with perjury. They won't, though. They know that she can prove everything she said. So, the best they can do is to trot out idiots like Hume to lie about her. I'm not too worried about it though. The idiots that watch Faux Noise will believe anything they hear on Faux. And if Faux were to somehow become fair and balanced and let the other side present their case, the idiots on Faux would believe the Faux side every time. They have been thoroughly brainwashed and they like it like that.
To the trolls here: I dare you to read John Dean's Conservatives Without Conscience. His main point is that conservatives need an authority figure to tell them what to think and what to do. And they get that from Faux, the Republics and George Bush. That's why there will always be 28% of the public who think Bush can do no wrong. They can't think for themselves and have zero critical thinking skills. The only thing good out of all this is that it's only 28% of our population.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAnyone who believes a thing that Brit "I'm a liar" Hume says deserves what they get: Ignorance. This man has shown he has no honor, no dignity, and doesn't care a bit about the truth. He will lie without a second thought, and doesn't care who catches him in it. He's just being a good neocon, just like the rest of Faux Noise Channel.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:27 pmAny wrong-wing trolls supporting (Ex)Hume(d) theory that Valerie Wilson lied under oath willing to bet that there will never be charges brought against her?
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 12:27 pmFox propaganda knows that...
...all they have to do is...
...muddy the water a little...
..what WE need to do is...
...ignore them FOREVER...
March 18th, 2007 at 12:29 pmIf Mr. Hume wants to see a true liar, I suggest he look in the mirror and start talking.
No one should take Fox News seriously. I cannot remember the last time they broke serious news.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmKate Henry:
That’s why there will always be 28% of the public who think Bush can do no wrong. They can’t think for themselves and have zero critical thinking skills.
Have you read any of my posts from the past few days here?
March 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pmhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en 911
Mysteries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE&mode=related&search= Kay Griggs -
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM&mode=related&search= Kay Griggs -
Part 2
i always said that when i could get the kay griggs interview up i would and here it goes to the ONES that was tired of my ranting on this issue.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:33 pm> http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm
meant to link it with the others.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmIs Sh*t Hume on Karl Rove's payroll? What an a**hole!
March 18th, 2007 at 12:40 pmeven if plame did have something to do with wilson being selected, it does not matter. he was one of the best candidates to go. it is all about what the administration did when he came back.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmDear Mr. Hume:
That was a real wise career choice moving to Fox News from ABC. I can understand why you'd be so bitter with your reputation in tatters.
It is considered a tragedy only when a person's actions bring disaster upon themselves. Mr. Hume is tragedy your new middle name?
Sincerely,
March 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmMs. Roflmao
Jake: Is this the place where you jump in and declare your "Independent" status in the same breath defending the failed neocon policies? If you had any shame at all you would either go away or quit singing the sad GOP song so loudly and proudly.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmPeople like Brit Hume will never stop drinking kool aid for the Bush administration,so no matter how many time Valerie Plame tell the truth under oath Brit Hume will find a way to spin it.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pmMr. Hume,
Can't wait to throw tomatoes at you when you go on your end of career reflection tour.
I am looking forward to reliving the good old days when frauds and hucksters were pelted with rotten eggs, fruit and lettuce.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmOK Stop It!!!
There is no such thing as "fair and balanced" when Faux News is concerned so let's stop being shocked about the Professional Liars Club that the Repuppetcans have become.
There are three sides to a story: yours, theirs and the truth, and the truth only has one side!!
Don't believe me try this:
Truth: The Sun Is Hot- No need for two sides there
Truth: Water Is Wet- No need for a Conservative or Liberal Rebuttal
Truth: The Bush Administration will go down as the worst in U.S. History- Unless you watch Faux News
So Let Faux News say what they want they're gonna do it anyway, and those who choose to continue watching and lose valuable brain cells bless them, because when it's all said and done someone is gonna have to pay for all of this hatred, bias, bigotry, mis-information, lies, deceit, injustice, war, poverty,neglect etc. And Faux and it's enablers will be the victims.
RIP
SGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Or as the POTUS and his Repuppetcan enbalers at Faux, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Clear Channel, and the doomed 30% call him...........comma # 1462
March 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThis is slander.
Sue 'em.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pm…or it will bend over and show you its red, swollen a*s…
Comment by big papa — March 18, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
big papa you are in fine form on this glorious Sunday.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWELLLL!!!
I guess "The Donald"...
...finally got religion...
...he told it like it is...
...in Wolf Blitzer interview...
March 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmSo Brit is accusing Valerie of committing a felony. She needs to add his name to list in her lawsuit.
It's people like Brit Hume that are dangerous to the security of the United States. Traitors, everyone of them.
Fox News and Republics are weak on national security. They would rather out a CIA agent then protect our nation.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmCredibility?! A Fox Noise Channel "personality" questions the credibility of under oath testimony.
Hume's mendacity knows no bounds.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:51 pmComment by fishing bait — March 18, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
So nice of you to volunteer to be the whipping boy we let loose all our anger on. Being able to abuse trolls so makes up for not being able to execute said anger upon this corrupt and dangerous administration.
No please bend over and do your job. Oh and this time please keep your pants on.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pmTheConsumers:
Isn’t calling someone a liar considered LIBEL.
Not if it's true.
nellieh/Amherst:
The Wilsons should include Hume to their law suit for slander.
The Wilson's civil suit was not for slander, but rather 1) Violation of First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech 2) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Equal Protection of the Laws 3) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Privacy 4) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Property 5) Conspiracy to Deprive Persons of Their Civil Rights 6) Action for Neglect to Prevent Civil Right Violation 7) Public Disclosure of Private Facts and 8) Civil Conspiracy
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713062plame1.html
March 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmComment by shane #46
...ssshhhh!
...(whispering)...
...don't tell my mommy...
March 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmBrit Hume? Is that a made up name? It sounds a little phony to me... Brit is the Douchebag of Crawford and you can be his Douchess (if you're lucky...).
March 18th, 2007 at 12:56 pm#47 bp
March 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI just had a phone call from a friend with similar comments.
I, personally, don't like Trump - he's not a likeable person, but to his credit I have to say that he didn't get where he is today by being stupid.
I rarely agree with him, but today, he was bluntly forthcoming on the candidates and the president.
BTW, did you happen to see Blitzer interview Zbigniew Brzinski (I have mixed feelings on him also) Zbig the professor graded Bush 41 with a B, Clinton with a C, and Bush 43 with an F.
My point is even people with whom we may not agree with on other matters are all coming to the same conclusion on Bush.
Let's see...got my morning coffee...kids have breakfast, watching Spongebob...now what manner of right-wing-death-cult treachery do I need to wrap my mind around today...hmmm...Brit Spew'em denies Plame's sworn testimony...without any evidence, mind you...Let's all pray they don't decide to deny that the earth revolves around the sun...
March 18th, 2007 at 1:00 pmRegarding Kate Henerys' post:
Many years ago, Roger Waters, (Pink Floyd), produced aa animated movie called "Where the wind blows". The movie was about nuclear war and how it affected an elderly English couple. Outstanding movie.
It is interesting how their 'blind faith' in their government allowed them to remain in that situation. The couple believed in their government so much, it cost them their lives. If you haven't yet seen this movie, I recommend it.
I don't mean to sway off topic, I meerly wanted to point out how the blind faith of the neocon agenda is so destructive.
Did any one see Silent Hill?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThe next career move for Brit Hume - weather man in Alaska. That way when he's says it will be cold people may believe he's telling the truth.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmZbig the professor graded Bush 41 with a B, Clinton with a C, and Bush 43 with an F.
Comment by Marie — March 18, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
The other night on what I think wa the daily show he said that if Bush invades Iran it will lead to the US fall from power the way Afghanistan led to the fall of the Soviet Union.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmCall in the medics to stuff the straw back into Brit's empty skull.
Once again: Biggest lie that the Wilson's could have told - I sent my husband to Nigeria.
Biggest Lie the Administration did tell: Yellow cake deal is real.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThis unprofessional asswipe is hardly worth the rancor or effort to get into a piss-match. Suffice it to say that you can't dress a turd in vomit and take him anywhere. Give you pitiful excuse of a career a break, Hume, along with yer buds Coulter, Matalin, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc, etc, etc...
March 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmLying son of a B****. This is one of the filthiest, disgusting excuse for a human. The audacity to lie like this is simply astonishing.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThat kool-aid must be good chit.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pm"REP. WAXMAN: I think the gentleman makes an excellent point, and we will insist on getting that memo."
The beauty of the above statement is that it is fully within Henry Waxman's authority to insist on such points.
Whether personnel from George Bush's administration are forced from office or not, Congress needs catch up and finally perform its role of oversight of the executive branch. For the historical record; Congress needs to document the bribery, misconduct, fabrication, breaches of public trust, and crimes committed under George Bush's administration.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:11 pmMore like Sh*t Fume.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmSo, how long until this becomes a unified right-wing talking point?
I don't get how these people can be so trapped in ideology when it comes to their thinking; basing their world view on what their 'gut feelings' are. But, maybe that is because I come to conclusions on the basis of reason, reality and evidence. All my gut is capable of doing is making grumbling sounds when I miss lunch.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmdt:
So, if I hear you correctly, even if Plame lied under oath, it does not matter? Then what exactly is the difference if Attorney General Gonzales lied under oath?
MrHaney:
I am not defending any failed neocon policies and, luckily, I don't worry about what someone might think of me, for it is God that we are here on earth to please. If what pleases God doesn't please man, than who cares what others think?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe technology is actually pretty interesting. Carl Rove keeps 10,000 monkeys and 10,000 typewriters in a room off the West Wing. A dedicated T1 line feeds the resulting talking points directly from "Monkey Central" to Hume's teleprompter. The whole thing is funded through the DOD.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pm2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the world of truth."
March 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmThe good news is that the only people who will believe Brit Hume are the followers of the knuckledraggers at yesterday's march on the Pentagon who called me a "traitor" for exercising my Constitutionally protected right to dissent. Fuck them.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmI am here to tell each of you... spies were scattered when the event took place and people's lives were most assuredly in danger. I know more about it than Britt.... trust me not them. Plame is telling nothing but the truth.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pmBrit Hume
Born: 22-Jun-1943
Birthplace: Washington, DC
Gender: Male
Religion: Christian
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Journalist
Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Fox News DC correspondent
Brit's wife Kim Schiller Hume is the Washington bureau chief at Fox News.
His son, Washington journalist Sandy Hume, committed suicide in February 1998 with a hunting rifle. Today the National Press Club honors his memory with the annual Sandy Hume Memorial Award for Excellence in Political Journalism.
Prediction from a 1995 interview:
"The Internet is an interesting phenomenon. My sense of it is that in ten years, or fifteen perhaps, we'll all be saying, 'Hey, you remember the Internet?' And we'll all laugh about it. It reminds me of the bulletin board world that existed ten years ago. There was tremendous enthusiasm and excitement among computer buffs about all the things that were possible in that domain. And of course in those days we were talking about the early days of CompuServe and some of the same information services, and there was some of the same enthusiasm expressed there about educational opportunity and e-mail and all the things you could do. It seems to me distinctly possible that a number of people, particularly in the academic world, are getting important work done with help from the Internet, but it is not at all clear to me that it is a very widespread situation."
Wife: Clare Stoner Hume (div.)
Son: Sandy Hume (d. 22-Feb-1998 suicide, see Bill Paxon)
Daughter: Virginia Hume
Wife: Kim Schiller Hume (b. 30-Sep-1954, m. 1-Jun-1993)
High School: St. Albans School, Washington, DC
University: BA English, University of Virginia (1965)
The Weekly Standard Contributor
The Hartford Times 1965
The Baltimore Evening Sun
The Washington Post
Emmy 1991
TELEVISION
Fox News Sunday Panelist
Nightline
http://www.nndb.com/people/489/000024417/
March 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmP.S. Jeremiah:
I completely agree that Congress has a legitimate role of oversight, but there are other legitimate Separation of Power issues at play:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers_under_the_United_States_Constitution
For instance, how did you feel about the FBI (Executive branch) storming Rep. Jefferson's Capital Hill office (Congress) for evidence of bribery in all that cold, hard cash?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pm#67. Yo Jake. Which of the 16 versions of the King James bible is that quote from? And, which of those 16 versions is of what was actually written originaly?? (this assumes that you believe each and every one of the various editions of the bible).
March 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWhy would anyone give any credence to anything that comes from the talking head bootlickers at that imitation news network, FAUX?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pmPlame was asked if her husband would be a good candidate for the trip, she said yes, and the person who asked her implemented the trip, that's all. She didn't initiate the suggestion nor the trip. It wasn't her department, duh!
March 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pmI never thought that I would ever see the day that our country would be ruled by liars and traitors. That day however is here. Right now, today.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pmMike Hunt:
That was actually for MrHaney who said I should be ashamed. Regardless of which version, it is how I choose to live my life. We still have Freedom to CHOOSE Religion in this country, right?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmGood Job Brit. Do all you can to dig these liberals their appropriate graves. WE don't care how you got to do it, JUST DO IT. These liberals deserve to live in a CO2 filled global warming greenhouse disaster. Lets buy our SUV's, hairspray our hair, and just lie all we can to make it happen. YOU GO BRITT.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmComment by Marie #53
...socioeconomics definitely drive people's interests...
...one cannot expect EVERYONE to be on the same page...
...at any one time...
...but it IS gratifying to see that some of the heretofore "elitists"...
...recognize that with Bushiva and L'il Dick...
...we ALL lose...
...Trump is the product of the WASP privilege structure...
...inheriting his father's real estate holdings...
...then turning that into his empire...
...but being allowed to pay 5 cents on the dollar after defaulting on a billion dollar loan...
...gives some a decided advantge, and encourages arrogance...
...I STILL commend him for realizing the TRUTH...
...about our country's current peril under the TREASONOUS criminal Bushite junta...
...as for Zbigniew I suspect his experiences behind the iron curtain...
...will forever mke him a true "conservative"...
...note: I didn't use "conned'self-servative"...
...and likewise, I commend him for his consistent recognition...
...of the Bushite disaster...
March 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pmwait a second,you mean that faux news channel is NOT a comedy channel?i tried watching bill oarally once for 5 minutes,i have never laughed so hard in my life.and now i find that people actually buy this as real a news channel.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pmhume lies each and everyday. So all is legit, hey brit.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pmJake thinks he's fooling me.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pmNo...calling someone a liar by voice is not libel. Saying it orally is called slander. This is not slander, but a person's opinion...albeit an uninformed one. Please people...as bad as Hume is, let's all stop with the libel and slander stuff...you're never going to win on that point, especially when it's about a public figure (term of art in defamation law) such as Plame. By the way, she was great...and that Toensing woman...huh?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pm2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
There's a Bible quote for everyone. I think this applies to Fox and Brit Hume.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI don’t worry about what someone might think of me, for it is God that we are here on earth to please.
Really Jake, then shut the f#ck up.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#67-My Bible mentions giving to the needy and helping the poor and/or charity over 2100 times...help me find the part that gives Dubya the instructions to take from the needy and give to the cronies. I can tell you what Jesus thought of the interpreters of the law and rich people...have things changed that much? Me feels that you hypocrites have gotten your panties in a wad over the wrong things and should go back to Bible Study and basics of what Christianity is really about. Jesus was not a Republican or a Democrat...but he was liberal.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
March 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmJake, Where in the Bible did Jesus say it is ok to kill during war? To invade another country is ok?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pm...rather 1) Violation of First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech 2) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Equal Protection of the Laws 3) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Privacy 4) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Property 5) Conspiracy to Deprive Persons of Their Civil Rights 6) Action for Neglect to Prevent Civil Right Violation 7) Public Disclosure of Private Facts and 8) Civil Conspiracy
(inhale!)... but "not for SLANDER"! ...whew! ... that was close, jake!
March 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmya think?!
oh! i'm sorry... i addressed it! ...but that post just cracked me up...
March 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI am very thankful that Brit Hume is on the, what is it that, Olberman calls them. Fox Noise? I would just want to toss my cookies if he were a registered Democrat and chose to lie and lie and lie and lie and continously have that godforsaken mug on the Democratic screen.
I don't think he knows how we all know he is just a sucker for the Republican Party. Just their sucker. The one they go to for the lie spreading. He acts like he just so important and has no clue that his whole career is a joke. He is simply worthless.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pmWhat do you expect from the apparatchiks over there at Pravda?
Truth?
We don't call them Faux News for nothing.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDo not feed the trolls. Stick to the issue -- it is damning. Repeat read the actual article folks. The truth about the memo and the falsification by the three Republican Senators will come out SOON!
I mean, come on! Don't you see? They loose on an issue and try to clutter the board to bury it or make offensive comments just to get you to BITE! You don't even know they are serious about thinking in the stated offensive manner! It's just to 'get your goat' and clutter the board. Especially when...
The issue is damning. Repeat-read the actual article folks. The truth about the memo and the falsification by the three Republican Senators will come out SOON!
March 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pmJAKE re. 65 and 67 references to "god"...please put that back in your rectum where it belongs.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pmVery funny, "God".
kasinca and goose1:
All the verses backing up "just war" doctrine, for starters -- governments are allowed to go to war (unless you opposed WWII as well?). I agree that Jesus taught INDIVIDUAL Christians to be humble -- that does not mean "weak" though.
katy:
I am simply pointing out the truth.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmangryvietnamvet:
Be sure to warn the person posting as "God" too.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPlease if the right wing hacks [Hume] could use truth and facts to make their point don't you think they would.
It is completely understandable that they need to employ creative facts truths and out and out BS to defend the indefensible
Cut them some slack
March 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pmI am simply pointing out the truth.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
You do, because you stand in contrast to it - you lying *sshole.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pmNote how I will never resort to name-calling.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pmThis is not shocking. Remember when Fitzpatrick held the news conference announcing the obstruction of justice charges against Libby. He stated he was unable to get to the criminal charges because the obstruction had been so effective. FOX announced that no criminal charges had been filed so, in effect, no crime -- no foul.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:56 pmJake, All the verses in the bible support the just war doctrine? That is a lie! What does being humble half to do with supporting killing? Where did I say I opposide WWll? I ask you a question you lied and then try to change what was said.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmNote how I will never resort to name-calling.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Note, you will always use *weasel-words* and passive aggressive b*llsh*t, because you're too much of a *coward* to say what you really think. Loser.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by kevkev #69
Hey kevkev...
...Great post...
...quite revealing...
March 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAll the verses backing up “just war†doctrine, for starters — governments are allowed to go to war (unless you opposed WWII as well?). I agree that Jesus taught INDIVIDUAL Christians to be humble — that does not mean “weak†though. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
You need a book that justifies, rape, incest, murder, slavery and homophobia to guide you as to whether something is *MORAL* or not? So you have no *personal* morality? You believe in slavery like the "bible" does?
You're an immoral old fool!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pmTell me Jake, why do you keep Jake'ing all over the threads that *prove* your leaders lied to you? What would jesus do, except throw you from the temple - you fraud!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pmVPW testified UNDER OATH. Unless and until someone does likewise that contradicts what she and she and the current CIA director have indicated, the talking points of people like Hume remain in the realm of speculation.
Anybody can say anything, but are they willing to say it under oath?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how the right-wing press machine responds with lightning-quick agility to anything perceived as negative to the current administratition.
If anyone committed perjury during Friday's hearing, it was Victoria Toensing, stating "no law was broken, Ms. Plame was not covert."
Also, let's not forget the Republican gentleman whose only question put to Mrs. Wilson: "Are you a Republican or a Democrat?"
March 18th, 2007 at 2:12 pmPlease, please, please someone tell me why any Democrat would appear on Fox "News." These are the lyingest, most conniving, dishonest, patriarchal, santanical, evil, disparaging human beings ever in existence, anywhere, at any time.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pmIf you think Brit Hume was carrying water for the Bush administration this morning, you should have seen Tim Russert, smiling and nodding as Richard Perle defended Bush's decision to invade Iraq by claiming that Iraq presented a serious pre-war threat (of course, he forgot to say "to Israel"), and how Saddam was connected to the 9/11 terrorists. And "Smiling Tim" sat there looking pleasant and agreeable and said not a single thing to contradict the lies...he just moved on to the next lying guest, Tom DeLay. TOM DELAY!! This indicted criminal apparently needed some national TV time to promote his book of lies.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI think ole Tim lost all credibility after Mary Matalin revealed that he is the favored talking head to use when the Bush administration wants to disperse lies to the American public.
It's really rather pathetic to see trolls believing any and everything Brit Hume, Fox News or the Bush Administration says. It just serves as further evidence that conservatives in America are at heart authoritarians that psychologically need a strong "father" figure. This fact has been comfirmed by scientific research but then sadly again the trolls don't believe in science unless it fits into their ideology. John Dean's book "Conservatives Without a Conscience" points this out. One can only come to the conclusion that this is a pathological shortcoming on the part of our rightwing friends.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pmNotice how haggard Brit Hume is looking these days. It's hard work always spinning and lying and carrying so much venom around. It's really quite toxic.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmJake gives away that he is a delusional psychotic with his religious rantings.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmHume like all of FAUX news is nothing but pure propaganda but the only way it will ever stop is for millions of Americans to stand up and TAKE BACK the media!
Job one would be to destroy FAUX news.
Susan, I watched MTP this morning also and was stunned to see Mr. Russert trying to rehabilitate Tom Delay and then shill for Delay's new book. I sent off an email to MTP to register a complaint and point out given that he is the "go to guy for the VP" what credibility he has left is hanging by a thread. Would encourage everyone to do likewise
March 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmHindsight is always 20/20 but when Westmoreland the Republican Representative from Georgia asked V. Plame whether she was a Republican or a Democrat I wished she had said I am an American who is a Democrat!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI agree with you Susan. I did see Tim Russert in a light much different than I have ever seen him before. Not so much as how he responded to Mr. Perle but his lack of response to Tom Delay. And what's with Tom Delay being on that panel? When did he again become relevant to anything?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmlet Hume ask on tv for perjury charges aginsr her.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:32 pmI watched the program and Hume really spouted the vitriol about Plame-Wilson. Seemed his fruit of the looms were a little tight. One thing Hume could do is catch up with the world. He and Tom Delay (Why i God's name Russert had him on his program) want to keep to the same old talking points about Iraq's being the cause of 9-11 is beyond me. Hume looked like he needed sleeo...maybe that's why he voiced those stupid comments. He even said wilson's NYT column about no yellow-cake from Nigeria was a lie!!!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWhat a p***k.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmThe most telling moment in the history of Brit Hume occurred on the day George Bush Sr. decided to sky dive for his birthday.
So Brit Hume decided to sky dive as well, and here's what happened caught live by the helmet cam of a lower jumper, probably 82nd Airborne if memory serves me.
Hume, with his jump instructor harnessed to his back so to guarantee that his chute would open at the appropriate moment,
STARTS TO SPIN UNCONTOLLABLY,
and after five or six rotations,
Hume BARFED IN THE FACE OF HIS PAPOOSE, .........ON CAMERA.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:35 pmBobby Backscatter:
He was only MAJORITY LEADER of the U.S. House of Representatives for the entire debate on the Iraq war. That would be as crazy as me saying that an interview with Bill Clinton was "irrelevant" to his own impeachment. I think Russert did a great job this morning, although he lost control over the Left "Surrender At All Costs" Liberals.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThe Republic Party's TWELFTH Commandment:
12. Thou Shalt Never GO UNDER OATH!
Bush and Cheney REFUSED to go UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission.
They REFUSED to SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH about their involvement with 9/11, the Saudi TERRORIST Financiers, and
The Bin Ladens
The Bushes are international CRIMINALS and TRAITORS to the USA.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmBottomline, they are done. This adiministration has flown, they are over. No one believed them in November, and the small amount that was loyal 6 months ago is jumping ship fast and furious.
Hume & Co are losers, once 2008 rolls around Faux will be finished as well.
They were created to advance the GOP and they will be dismantled once and for all by America.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmP.S. That was the ONLY question he had that the DEMOCRATS allowed him to ask. Maybe you watched a different hearing, because I heard that on the radio and the Republican explained that he got a list of questions he was NOT allowed to ask.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmokay I lied I want Joe to pose for playgirl. I hope as well they will make a spread with bulldog Gannon. I just bought a DVD with Matt Sanchez in it as well that guy is hung like a mexican mule.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThe only people who watch this channel and the stuff they call "fair and balanced' news are people who are already of a like mindset and already beleive the stuff put out by the WH. Fox is pure propaganda for the WH. Valerie Plame Wilson was very credible testifying before Congress and so as to put a stop to any doubt being introduced by any of their following (Fox viewers) and from them possibly being swayed in their thinking by hearing her testify to the truth, they have to introduce doubt so to yank these people back to THEIR (the WH) reality. I don't even know if Hume believes what he is saying, he is just doing what he has to to "support" the WH's version of the truth so nobody will look or question anything further.
Right before the 2004 election when there was that bombing of the Egypt resort hotel in Taba, I remember turning briefly to Fox news while flipping through various news stations to learn more. There was a reporter from Fox there interviewing some security person from the hotel. While asking the guy what happened, he inserted something to the effect "and this is what happen if Kerry gets elected" or something very close to that. I almost jumped off the couch. The reporter wasn't reporting news, he was spreading propaganda - during a time of major crisis. I was so furious I sat down and emailed FOX news and told them how utterly irresponsible and disgusting that was and that I would NEVER watch FOX news again - and I haven't.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmFirehead, your one sick little puppy. Fitzpatrick Owens debunked the niger claim before Wilson ever showed up. Are you also claiming that the ambassadoe lied? No wonder no one watches Fecks Snooze nor wants to debate with those lopsided buffoons.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI think Russert did a great job this morning, although he lost control over the Left “Surrender At All Costs†Liberals. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
So far, you're the one "out of control", moron.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmgoose1:
Please re-read my post. I never said every verse in the Bible relates to the "just war" doctrine. I'm glad you were not against WWII.
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus:
I'm sorry you think I use *weasel-words* because I thought I was being very clear. For instance, Jesus NEVER justified rape, incest, murder, and slavery. If you disagree, please give me a chapter and verse. I also don't think this thread *proves* (your word, not mine) anyone in the Bush Administration lied, but I'm sure you knew that already.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:47 pmbecause I heard that on the radio Jake.
Lemme guess. Rush.
It doesn't matter who sent Wislon, this is just Fecks Snooze creating inane controversy about nothing important, Next it will be a war on April Folls day.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:48 pmP.S. That was the ONLY question he had that the DEMOCRATS allowed him to ask. Maybe you watched a different hearing, because I heard that on the radio and the Republican explained that he got a list of questions he was NOT allowed to ask. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Oh puhhhhleasssseeee.... On the *radio*, you mean Limbaugh? You're really showing the world what a st*pid old fool you are, Jake'ing all over the threads with your b*llsh*t. Pull your head out of your *ss, and join reality, dum bass!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:48 pmValerie just got owned. She is a liar like her husband. She does have one redeeming quality unlike Scum Joe in that she is really hot. I want her to pose for Playboy.
Comment by firehead — March 18, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Comparing Ann Couter(or, Jean Shmidt) To Valerie Plame puts Ann(or, Jean)
March 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
The most telling moment of Hume (iliated)'s cowardly existance came on the day George Bush Sr. decided to sky dive for his birthday.
So Humie, not to appear like a jealous child at a birthday party, had to jump from the plane behind Bush, in itself a hazardous venture.
With his jump instructor harnessed to his back so to guarantee that his chute would open at the appropriate moment, Hume started to spin uncontrollably until suddenly, (and before the helmet cam recording of a lower jumper was edited to cut it from the video),
after six or seven out of control rotations
HUME BARFED INTO THE FACE of his piggybacked companion of the 82nd Airborne.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmBottom line is
Bush, SCOOTER LIBBY the convicted felon, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, Perle, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Pointdexter, Negroponte, etc.
are TRAITORS to the USA and WAR CRIMINALS.
Illegal wars, illegal domestic spying, obstruction of justice, and outright STEALING from the coffers of the USA through
WAR PROFITEERING and TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH.
All of the PROPAANDA by Fox "news" and azz-kissing by "jake", "valiant venus", is just more about Clinton's Dikc!!
While Osama is STILL FREE 5 1/2 years later, and we are fukcd in Iraq.
God Bless America, the Democrats and the WORLD!
BURN in HELL for ETERNITY, TRAITOR Bush, you silver-spoon little AWOL coxucker PUNK!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI can't believe that ol' Jake here, after all the times hes been disproved, still has the audacity to parrot the pin headed pundit Flush Dimbulb
March 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmActually NPR carried the questions and answers.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmJake, the questions the Republican couldn't ask were not the result ofDemocrats censoring them but because the CIA wouldn't allow certain questions. Do you need a strong daddy figure? Are you another authoritarian that needs to be told what to do and think. To bad you weren't born in Germany say around 1925 you would have fit right in with that crowd.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:02 pm#30 - "To the trolls here: I dare you to read John Dean’s Conservatives Without Conscience. His main point is that conservatives need an authority figure to tell them what to think and what to do....."
Comment by Kate Henry
Progressives are such a humourous lot!! An original thought has not sprung from the brains or dropped from the lips of Progressives in ver 150 years - and you think you're "critical" or "original" thinkers??? tee-heeee!!
It is MUCH easier to be a Progressive; the most worthwhile things are accomplished by the prog movement confiscating one group of people's money and giving it other people. Progressives LOVE being loved for their compassion and empathy.
I know you would be shocked by the finding that American conservatives are more personally generous to charity that liberals - I am not. Progressives are often EXCELLENT at making excuses for others, convening a committee and throwing money at problems but are occaionally just a "little toooo busy".
I can always recognize progressives in a crowd - they seem to be the ones with slithly longer arms tha the rest. I think that is from the continual, back-patting of oneself. So you just go on congratualting yourself for your independent thinking - and do not acknowledge you're as "independent" as liberals tend to be everywhere....
March 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm*
the video of westmoreland questioning plame/wilson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaCXlKxyVT0
...after wasting his time to ask his ridiculous irrelavent questions he whines about and wants sympathy for not being able to ask so many questions...
repuglicRATS always think party before country, so that's not surprising...
March 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pm#132 - Comment by Bluetoe
Ah. I see. I knew the true reason for the list of questions not allowed to asked would come out. The CIA wouldn't allow it.
Spin, Jake, spin!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:08 pmBluetoe - Too bad you weren't in Germany and England in the 1850's - your founders were getting their Manifesto off the ground.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:08 pmA GENERAL and PERMANENT BOYCOTT of FOX NEWS should be adopted by every Democrat and every person who believes in fairness and balance, including any Republicans with consciences.
If nobody shows up for Fox interviews anymore except the same little incestuous group of Bush apologists, Fox will become deservedly isolated, and their audience will dwindle, as Fox's coverage becomes more repetitious, with the same small group of talking heads repeating the same b.s. Even wingnut viewers will get bored after a while, without any progressives agreeing to come on the network in order to get bashed and abused by creeps like Hume, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc.
Freeze out FOX, and maybe they will eventually cease to exist!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmHume should be sued for libel and defamation of character for calling Plame a liar umder oath basically calling her a purgerer. Plame should sue Hume and bankrupt his sorry ass.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“she very much did have something to do with it,"
I don't know many Americans who talk like that--she very much did????? Hume English teacher is rolling over in her grave. And, his history teacher is just glad he's in heaven and won't meet any of these bushies as they are headed straight to hell.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:13 pmHey valient venom, it was the far right religious bigots such as yourself who murdered innocent people during the crusades and inquisitions. If it weren't for progressives people like you would still be burning children at the stake.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmProgressives are such a humourous lot!! An original thought has not sprung from the brains or dropped from the lips of Progressives in ver 150 years - and you think you’re “critical†or “original†thinkers??? tee-heeee!!
This more aptly applies to conservatives.
I know you would be shocked by the finding that American conservatives are more personally generous to charity that liberals - I am not.
Comment by valiant venus — March 18, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
I would like to see those numbers and do those numbers include giving to religious enterprises.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#133 - Hagette aka MA
Thank you for identifying yourself as a troll.
Bless your heart.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pmTo prove libel, you would have to prove he knows what he's saying is bs, which shouldn't be that hard to prove, since he doesn't know what he's saying, except that it is propaganda fed to him by the war machine. We need a war crimes tribunal established to try these mouthpieces.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pmBrit Hume,,,Ann Coulter,,,Sean Hannity,,,Rush Limbaugh,,,Alan Colmes,,,O'reilly,,Judith Miller,,,Bob Woodward,,,Bob Novak,,,Russert of NBC,,,Andria Mitchell should all start a commune on PARK AVE. and required to stay there....none of these people deserve our respect and need to be marginilized. Mrs. Wilson was an outstanding witness and her husband has in spades ,what most of you lack,,,integrity,,,honesty,,BRIT HUME you are nothing on a nothing network...............................................................Charles Belenchia
March 18th, 2007 at 3:19 pmI know you would be shocked by the finding that American conservatives are more personally generous to charity that liberals - I am not.
Comment by valiant venus — March 18, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Which charities are you referring to? Do you mean like the "Save Scooter Libby" fund?
March 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmyour founders were getting their Manifesto off the ground.
Comment by valiant venus
A response against capitalists exploiting workers. Youre welcome.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBluetoe - Too bad you weren’t in Germany and England in the 1850’s - your founders were getting their Manifesto off the ground. Comment by valiant venus — March 18, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Too bad you weren't in Germany in the 1920s - your "founders" were getting their Manifesto off the ground.
St*pid c*nt!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmREPUBLICANS = HYPOCRITES
March 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#65 Joke
...for it is God that we are here on earth to please. If what pleases God doesn’t please man, than who cares what others think?
So, is this "God" of yours pleased that you lie incessantly in order to defend liars, cheats, thieves, and murderers?
It never fails. When right-wingers have nothing left to argue with, they always pull out the "God" card. It's questionable, Joke, that you even believe in the "God" that you claim you're trying to please. Because, if you did, I think you'd also believe that he knows when you're full of crap. And I don't think he'd be too pleased by that.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pmV V
Go F yourself
ANd to the issue at hand - a war crimes tribunal is in order for the likes of Brit Hume and the other war machine toadies
March 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmSo I guess that Hume assumes that the Republican appointed CIA Director lies when he plainly said Plame was covert, when Plame says she was covert and when as a matter of being factual, "SHE WAS COVERT" even by the attempt by a Victoria Toensing to cloud the issue but in the end, even she proved she was covert since Plame had been on a covert mission within the last 5 years and in light of that, should have been protected.
Either Hume distorts facts or he is so dull witted he cannot read or hear the factual statements made by the CIA Director, Victoria Toensing, OR the other alternative is that he is a Republican shill. Just one more incident proving that Fox is a shill of this administration.
SO, Mr. Hume, I hope you are satisfied. The next time some covert operative like Plame asks someone to assist them in a matter important to our security, such as weapons of mass destruction, they just say no thanks, I do not trust your government nor your news outlets to guard my safety or protect my life from stupid exposure.
Hume's stubborn lies make it dangerously unsafe for any covert operative in foreign or even domestic situations to work for intel. His behavior borders on treason.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pmHume is a blathering idiot. His saw is to make sweeping conclusions knowing that a lot of people won't question the conclusion. Chris Wallace is a co-conspirator, because if he had a brain, he'd ask dumbass Hume the source of his information. How can Plame's credibility be in question based on the testimony of one witness, even if true. But why didn't Wallace ask about the CIA agent who apologized to Plame? Because you know what you want to know, and not know. Ask the creeps in the White House.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmHume is a war criminal, paid and bought by the war machine - he needs to be tried along with FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC anchors and execs, all of whom have lied and continue to lie to promote the illegal war.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmin other news, the sun came up today.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:30 pmHume is drunk.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pmHume is a war criminal just like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI actually think that Hume is just your typical good authoritarian conservative, following blindly without question, with absolute loyalty without question or thinking for himself, just like described so clearly by John Dean in his very intelligent book "Conservatives Without Conscience".
March 18th, 2007 at 3:34 pmHe does a great disservice to himself and to this country.
Did I say following blindly just for the sake of being a good authoritarian conservative?
March 18th, 2007 at 3:35 pm"good authoritarian conservative"
YOu mean he's a "good German"
YOu are right. He's a war criminal.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:37 pmSomeone needs to wack Britt Hume.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmHaving been on the inside this is a crock of bull. Even the White House admits her status was classified. Because the White House declassified her status. If she was just a "desk jockey" that everyone knew about, why didn't her mother know? Her neighbors, friends, and family members were interviewed. None of them knew. Until the story broke in the newspaper. That's a lot of average Americans to call liars. This is not about who sent her husband to Niger. That's not classified. Her status was. If Ms. Plame had that kind of power why didn't she use it to stop Novack and other reporters from revealing her status? You can't have it both ways. She was so powerful that she could direct a trip to Niger for her husband. Yet, she was so lowly that what she did was of no importance. The current director of the CIA (a General therefore a troop) says she was covert at the time her identity was revealed. I love the way the "others" support the troops until they disagree.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmFox News for the brain dead, baby feeding viewers, so their heads don't explode with a dose of reality.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBrit Hume is a boot-licking lackey of the non-working power elite like Bush, Cheney, etc. Brit Hume is the type of scum who makes it his paid job to spread the lies and distortions of his masters.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:41 pmHUME: And the other thing that needs to be noted here is when she says that she had nothing to do with getting her husband the trip, that flies in the face of the evidence adduced by the Senate Intelligence Committee whose findings were released not on a partisan basis — the bipartisan findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was that she very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo.
Listen, Hume, whenever you're ready to give sworn testimony to Congress on this, I recommend you ask them for your chance to speak. If you think you've got some kind of factual basis for contradicting Plame's testimony, you just jump in there and state your case under oath. But, until you're ready to do anything more than spout off from within the bowels of Roger Ailes' little bullshit factory, nobody but the astoundingly dishonest or the phenomenally stupid really give a rat's ass about what comes out of your mouth.
Given the choice of believing what Valerie Plame says under oath with regard to her husband's trip to Niger, or believing what "Senator Coverup", Pat Roberts, tacked on to the committee's report after it had already been finished, I'll go with Plame. But, Roberts is welcome to testify under oath, too, if he thinks he's got something truthful to say about the matter. And he doesn't.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmBrit, get you a couple of Honest Repug congressmen together and have her investigated. You have a problem with that don't you big boy, I can see why, there are no honest repug congressmen. Oh well, you just gonna hafa keep flapping your lips which is good it helps get the air off your brain.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmValerie Plame and the CIA are no better than Brit Hume. THey are birds of a feather. The CIA has been syphoning off public monies for decades to promote war for the chosen power elite of this country. The CIA are mafiosos in pin-stripe suits and with training in intelligence work. The fact that one mafia family outed another mafia family is of little consequence to me, except that it can be used to attempt to bring down one mafia family along with another.
We need to get abolish the CIA, the standing army, and the Pentagon monster that threatens both our financial and our security interests.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:44 pmBrit Hume once admitted on his show that he was making lots of money off the war, due to his investments.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmNo reason to get upset over a light weight like Brit Hume. The only people that listen to him are already convinced that Plame is a liar, not because she is, but because they are so easily led they'll believe anything. Although Hume doesn't realize it consciously, by trying to spread lies about Plame, he is actually projecting his own subconsious internal dishonesty. His lack of integrity is so horrible to his ego he has to subcounsiously get rid of it by projecting his lack of integrity on convenient targets. Of course the same could be said about most of the Fox News crew. It's what happen when light weights and paranoid people like Hume get a soap box.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:49 pmBrit Hume is war criminal scum who should be tried for promoting and profiting from illegal war.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThe greatest threat to the stability of the world is the United States. Everyone outside the US knows it.
It is time for nations of the world to wake up and join together to stop this menace.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pm#165
Valerie Plame and the CIA are no better than Brit Hume.
Valerie Plame was investigating potential WMD programs. If there were any, it would be good to know so that we don't have a lot of innocent people dying for no good reason. If there weren't any, it would be good to know to prevent people like Bush from starting a war that would result in a lot of innocent people dying for no good reason.
We need to get abolish the CIA, the standing army, and the Pentagon monster that threatens both our financial and our security interests.
And you need to get real.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmAlthough Hume doesn’t realize it consciously
Of course he realizes it consciously. He's profiting from war. He's pro-war. Pro illegal war. He doesn't give a rats ass how many people die just as long as he and his masters can make millions.
He has no integrity. He would laugh at even the notion of integrity.
Wake the F up.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmGSD said that Brit Hume = Tokyo Rose.
That's perfect! A supposed "friend" of American spreading lies as if they were the truth.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:53 pmSeems Brit simply adduced that like her husband Valerie wasn't above lying to enhance her status. As to Joe's lying, that is in the SSCI report.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:56 pmIf there were any WMD, it would be good to know so that we don’t have a lot of innocent people dying for no good reason.
We HAVE alot of innocent people dying for no good reason and we KNEW there were NO wmd.
So what good is the CIA. Useless. They stopped nothing. They facilitated it. They let it happen. Joe Wilson was an anomaly, an aberration, and his wife - god knows what the hell she was doing. Why didn't she speak up loud and clear once she'd been outed that there were no WMD. She could have done something. Instead she maintained her mysterious persona.
I have no use for CIA who live high on the hog at the public trough while they busy themselves with non-work, like intrigue and spies and all that nonsense. It is a monumental waste of time and a betrayal of our freedom and our principles.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:57 pmwhy won't you post my links tp? to in-the-face?
March 18th, 2007 at 3:58 pmChimpeach
You need to grow up and realize the truth of this situation. YOu obviously are living in the myth of America while the pin-stripe mafia, the CIA, the Bush family, and the rest of the non-working pro-war sycophants steal our children's future.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:58 pmYesterday was the first time I ever heard a word about "Brewster Jennings", the cover company for the CIA that Plame worked at whose cover was also blown. I googled it and did a lot of reading last night. There was certainly a lot more to this story and the damage done than just Plame. There was a direct connection to Saudi Arabia and it immediately made me think of Cheney's being summoned there a couple of months ago.
This whole thing is so complex and sordid. I also just finished reading "Vice", a book about Cheney. For me it keeps coming back to him. I just wonder where his real loyalties lie..
March 18th, 2007 at 3:59 pmThat's why I never, ever watch that show.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThis whole thing is so complex and sordid. I also just finished reading “Viceâ€, a book about Cheney. For me it keeps coming back to him. I just wonder where his real loyalties lie..
These people - Bush, Cheney, the CIA - are traitors to the US. THey are selling us out to the war criminals for profit. They have sold our children, our soldiers to the Saudis as a proxy army to fight the Arab fight to take over the Middle East, for as long as the Saudis are willing to pay for it.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pm(finishing my thought).. other than to himself...
March 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJenny ~ short answer. His wallet.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI just wonder where his real loyalties lie..
Comment by Jenny G.
Himself, his ideology, and his wallet.
Not necessarily in that order.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pmNot sure why I said "loyalties".. I meant to say "priorities". I guess they mean about the same thing..
March 18th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhat impact does anything hume says have on reality?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:07 pmDid the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA change the results of his findings, since proven correct, that there was no credible effort by Iraq to acquire yellow cake?
I say, "No."
hume and his ilk would rather argue his wife "sent him" or that she really wasn't covert at the time, statements by CIA hierarchy notwithstanding.
The only sad thing is that people actually listen and believe the things that fox talkers say.
Roger Ailes is the REAL terrorist.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:08 pmCheney's loyalties lie with the Saudis, who are paying from their oil profits which he is protecting with our children lives.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmTHESE TRAITOROUS LYING FEARMONGERING WARMONGERING PEDOPHILIAC GOP CRIMINALS HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH TO THEMSELVES AND TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC FOR SO LONG THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TELL
March 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmTHE TRUTH AT ALL ANY MORE. EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS A LIE, INCLUDING "IF" "AND" "OR" AND "BUT". THEIR SOLE PURPOSE
IS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY POSSIBLY
CAN BY STEALING EVERYTHING THEY CAN, AND DESTROYING EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR, IN SERVICE TO THEIR
MASTERS, WHO HAVE VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM BLACKMAILED.
How do you know that Ms. Plame knew or didn't know that Iraq had no WMD? Why couldn't she tell anyone? You've never worked with classified material have you? How do you know what she did or didn't do in any area of the Middle East? Oh wait, you wouldn't. That would be classified Get a clue. Of course we could declassify everything. People could die. But don't worry about that.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmAmerica has more innocent blood on its hands than Al Queda
March 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pmLiberty
One wonders when the patriots are really going to stand up and protect this country from the real enemies - which are the people in the WH and the elites.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:12 pmOf course we could declassify everything. People could die. But don’t worry about that.
People ARE dying. Innocent people ARE dying. So declassify everything and stop the spying. It is a BILLION Dollar waste of money and it undermines the security of our country.
What did the CIA really do to stop this war based on a lie. NOTHING. THEY DID NOTHING. FOR THAT ALONE THE CIA SHOULD BE DISSOLVED.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmNo surprise that they're going after Val, she was their real opponent throughout the buildup to the war, attacking Joe was just a way to get Val. I hope that the two of them make a bunch of money off the thugs.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIsn't Brit short for Britney?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pmMarch 18th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
No surprise that they’re going after Val, she was their real opponent throughout the buildup to the war, attacking Joe was just a way to get Val. I hope that the two of them make a bunch of money off the thugs.em>
Why didn't Valerie Plame, if she has any integrity, why didn't she stop spying along time ago. Stop taking taxpayer money for doing nothing, at best, and at worst, for actively undermining the security of this country, by promoting foreign policies that profit the powerful elite.
Valerie Plame is part of a business that actively works to sell our youth as soldiers to the highest bidder, to fight the wars for profit of the mega-rich. It is sickening.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThink Rove will fib?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWe need to get abolish the CIA, the standing army, and the Pentagon monster that threatens both our financial and our security interests.
Comment by Children of Lir
And you need to get real.
Comment by chimpeach
Sorry to butt in, but Children of Lir is right on. There has not, in the modern history, been a bigger terrorist organization than CIA. I wonder if anyone would answer you to get real, chimpeach, after you say, we have to erase Al-Qaeda.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:22 pmValerie Plame is part of a business that actively works to sell our youth as soldiers to the highest bidder, to fight the wars for profit of the mega-rich. It is sickening.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThink Rove will fib?
Comment by VietVet67
Might as well ask if Rove breaths....
March 18th, 2007 at 4:24 pmMarch 18th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
You’ve never worked with classified material have you?
Comment by candymarl
Uh uh, Im so afraid, classified material. Bullsh*t. National security crap has been the perfect excuse to allow governments to do the most terrible things against its own or another population, while keeping public scrutiny away. What kind of idiot believes that spy histories actually represent a benefit for the people. Come on, get a clue yourself.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:27 pmSKY NEWS FRONTPAGEDeath Toll Hits 'Million'
Updated: 16:38, Sunday March 18, 2007
The number of deaths in Iraq since the start of the conflict could be as high as one million, according to a new estimate.
An Australian scientist published the figure using four sets of independent data, including information from the United Nations Children's Fund and the UN's population division, as well as medical literature.
Dr Gideon Polya's figure is far higher than the previous biggest estimate of 655,000.
"Using the most comprehensive and authoritative literature, and UN demographic data yields an estimate of one million post-invasion excess deaths in Iraq," he said.
A spokesman for the Stop The War Coalition said the figure was "astonishing".
He added: "Four years after the start of the conflict in Iraq we can now see what a disaster the war has been.
"Everything that the Stop The War movement predicted would happen has taken place - but it has been far worse than we feared."
March 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmBritt Hume is nothing more than an appologist for liars, pedophiles, terrorists, and murderers. He'll get whats coming to him.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:42 pmWould like to know if someone thinks that the actions to discredit Ms. Plame testimony is a concerted effort to keep the attention away from the bottom line which was the very fact that the story of Yellow Cake was a fake and a blatant lie to trumpet the threats of mushroom clouds which was the main reason for the attack on Iraq. No one can dispute that. Joe Wilson was correct, no matter who sent him there, no matter if he suggested was under orders of Cheney (indirectly, it was). And his trip was pro-bono, no nepotism there. Smear Valerie Plame and keep the smear, so the fallacy of the yellow cake is lost in the fog. The fear of mushroom clouds prevail and the result is 3218 deaths and 300 billions wasted . 650 000 Iraqis dead and a country in chaos and civil war with no happy ending.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pmZep Tepi:
I'm sure it IS hard for you to believe I'm still here, considering you are also suffering under the illusion that I've been "disproved" so many times. You'd better seek medical attention for that condition.
Bluetoe:
You mean the CIA didn't want anyone to ask Valerie who else she and her traitor husband ever told about her CIA employment (besides, of course, when she told him after their SECOND date)? To answer your questions, no.
chimpeach:
Please point out even ONE "lie" of mine?
Tobey Tall:
How many died during WWII?
Fox co-anchor:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that ; )
March 18th, 2007 at 4:48 pmCuriosityMind:
The new talking point is not 650,000 but rather "it could be up to one million." We now return to your regularly scheduled pogrom.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pmwhat I don't get is how these morons at Fox get so many viewers, I mean sheep led to the slaughter, Rush is right about one thing, the dumbing down of America, but it is his party that is doing it for their own benefit!!!!!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pmFaux News:
"We dissemble, you decide"
March 18th, 2007 at 4:54 pmHume should be sued by the CIA, Plame and the American people for slander and making false accusations. His status as a correspondent does not give him carte blanche to make these unfounded, destructive remarks.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pmWe have a faith-based administration on every level. They started a faith-based war. Their faith-based domestic policies rest in the belief that privitization is the key to everything -- health care, the economy, even domestic security. No facts to support it. They believe it on faith. A faith-based dogma by definition denies hard, cold facts. Stem cell research is bad because it destroys babies. There is no such thing as global warming. Evolution is bunk. The war in Iraq is going well. We can do whatever the hell we want in the White House because God is on our side.
So it should be no surprise to see Bush and his supporters deny facts day after day and month after month. Facts are meaningless. Faith is what counts.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:03 pmHume is a prick and I watched Russert and DeLay and Perle ass know more than an Admiral with 31 years service.I doubt if DeLay and Perle even served,Don Mattson a Korean Veteran.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:07 pmMarch 18th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
You lefties are too chickenshit to stand up. You are as much to blame as Bush.
And Pelosi... she is useless twat. She has failed the american people.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:15 pmSo it should be no surprise to see Bush and his supporters deny facts day after day and month after month. Facts are meaningless. Faith is what counts.
Comment by Newsguy
And money.. Faith and money and power and influence. Kind of a strange things to see all in one sentence don't you think?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:16 pmEven if it is only wishful thinking, calling someone a liar is libel.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:20 pmBrit Hume is a first rate ninny sycophant. Someone needs to tell him that Waxman read the memo directly from the Head of the CIA (Hayden) which confirmed that Plame was covert. Hume needs to get his sorry head out of his anal orifice and begin breathing some fresh air for a change. His daily consumption of sulphur has damanged all of his neurons.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYou know, you can't have it both ways. The Democrats stand up and speak with force and conviction and they are called traitors or unAmerican or appeasers. If they tone it down and try to work with the other side to come up with the best plan for the future of this country they are called weka and chicken. It seems to me the only ones in Congress and this administration calling names and acting like schoolyard bullies are the conservatives and the so-called "christians". I have never witness such behavior, such corruption and self-interest, and such utter hypocrisy in my entire life as I have the last 6 years.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:26 pmOOOOoooooo! Hey, if the shoe fits...
For republicans, lying is par for the course. I should know.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:27 pmIn Bush's Orwellian fantasy, the ones purporting to be true patriots are nothing more than demented, sycophantic traitors. When you hear something, assume to reverse is true and you'll be right on the money.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:27 pmand I also seem to be having a lot of difficulty today writing coherently or spelling correctly. Sorry..
March 18th, 2007 at 5:30 pmSpeaking with force and conviction is no longer enough. Republicans don't listen anyways. IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 18th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#204 Of course this is typical GOP spin to attempt to trivialize the obvious HUGE lie about yellowcake which was the premise for this war based on lies where now over 3100 of our "true patriots" have sacrificed their lives for oil, greed and power. The right probably thinks that's a fair trade; anyone with a soul knows it is heinous and contemptible. Any trivial attempt to discredit Plame (who was intentionally placed in harm's way by this administration) is simply another typical (and very inane (yawn, yawn)) attempt at the liars to deflect attention from the real fact - that this was was predicated on one HUGE lie and Joe Wilson was in the way of the neocon's plan since he'd been the ambassador to Niger for years and actually found zilch going on.....what a joke this idiotic GOP is getting to be!
I say: Let them continue to spew their transparent drivel....the longer they show their cards to the people, the more they're tanking any chance of being elected in 08. Let them be "hoist on their own pitard"....which is happening - yesterday, today, and tomorrow....and the next day....and the next day.....
The karmic avalanche is burying every one of them in the process......
March 18th, 2007 at 5:33 pmHow much money is Brit pulling yearly from Fox?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pm#77 bp "but it IS gratifying to see that some of the heretofore “elitistsâ€â€¦
…recognize that with Bushiva and L’il Dick…"
Yes it certainly is gratifying to see people from all walks of life finally recognizing what is before their very eyes.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pmBrit is the exact reason, NO DEMOCRAT SHOULD EVER APPEAR ON FOX ENTERTAINMENT. With all the lies Fox Entertainment only proves them to be the propaganda arm of the Republic Party. A station that allows lies on their news shows should not be referred to as a "news organization".
Only when Democrats REFUSE to appear on the RepubliCON propaganda station, Fox Entertainment, will people might get a clue that they are watching just a bunch of unAmerican traitors who have no business spreading lies on the public networks.
BTW. Brit, you are a stupid pig. Valarie Plame was a covert CIA operative and "outing" her is treason. Fox Entertainment is a station that supports treason against the United States.
IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY
March 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pmIt's interesting that the right wing needs to feel that they are surrounded by enemies: the media, the CIA, Democrats, environmentalists, etc. Once you figure out that at least 80% of Americans are their enemies, you must also realize what a small, fringe, extremist group they are. They should be marginalized and laughed at. WE are the Americans. They are nothing more than fringe extremists.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThe fact is Valerie Plame was intentionally injured by this administration FOR WHOM SHE WORKED, by the way. This tells volumes about what traitorious qualities we have at work in the highest of offices in this country. It's becoming fact that the MO of this administration is: ANY MEANS JUSTIFIES THE END which is precisely what they did in attempting to sell their fiction about the yellowcake and the need to invade Iraq. I can't wait to see what an International Tribunal will bring to Rummy, Cheney & Bush once they leave office.
The fact is that the moment Rumsfeld left public office, he was slapped with a degree from Germany of "high crimes and misdemeanors" and, someday, will have to stand trial for his part in the invasion of a soveriegn nation.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:36 pm#220 I believe we now can handily make the critical distinction between patriots and traitors and it's certainly not the host of lies we've been fed. The "true patriots" are those not wishing any more lives to be lost to the game of "monkey in the middle for oil" in this Civil War.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:38 pmPlame should add Hume to her civil suit... He used the public media attack her character and honesty... Sure sounds like they ought to add his name to the other fat rats (like Novak and Rove) on her 'fight back' list!
March 18th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI wonder if Hume would tell the same lie, make the same speculation, draw the same conclusion if he were under oath?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI couldn't agree more regarding "guilt by association" which is precisely what occurs when anyone appears on a propagandized, fictitious news station like Fox News. Most people I know have Fox News blocked totally on the sets; although most people I know simply do not get any relevant news from the television or newspapers any longer. The internet has essentially put these "yesterday's news" outlets out of business. Who needs them? They've become totally irrelevant.
However, since Fox news continues to present such obvious spin and outright lies with anchors whom most people wouldn't choose to spend 5 minutes of their time with socially (dip$hits and dingalings), it baffles me that anyone serious about running for political office would be affiliated with the likes of Faux News in ANY way.
FOCH SNOOZE is the "sword" for any candidate seeking election in this country. If they appear on Fox, then we know that they are probably corrupt or can't be trusted with the truth about anything.
Classic case of guilt by association.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:45 pmHume is nothing but part of the right wing flaks masquerading as journalists.
Fox twists and distorts everything to fit the White House hype/lies.
Wilson very clearly stated under oath how the memo was quoted out of
context, and elaborated how and why she had been directed.
Her testimony was entirely credible. The facts are with her testimony and those of many others during Libby trial.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI have a feeling that Brit Hume will be given his walking papers soon in his personal attack on Plame's integrity under oath. I think Hume should be "lawyering up" as we speak and it will be just dessert for him to be included in Valerie's civil suit.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:48 pmveritas:
I posted above the causes of action included in Plame's lawsuit. Please explain for the class how exactly Hume violated her 1st and 5th Amendment rights . . .
March 18th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThe Democrats have to go for the jugular with these thugs or they will lose the respect and trust of the american people. Regardless of what they do, the GOP filth machine will try to spin it their way, either way so I say "go for the cojones" and stop at nothing less.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:50 pmVhy are peepol piking in this guy? He no get his weaties or morning coffee. dis makes him very crabbbby. he craves attensun like de udder lip flapper o reily. ust be looking for a raise.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI will agree with Comment by "someone from the center" above: Nancy Pelosi is useless twat and she has failed the American people. Can her district recall her?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:52 pmHume is a paid flak for loathsome Fox, pretending to be a journalist.
Wilson's testimony was clear on this memo, and its circumstances. And are borne out by the facts, not Hume's deliberate attempt to use a few GOPers
March 18th, 2007 at 5:53 pmattempts to take parts of memo out of context.
P.S. the Wilson’s civil suit was not for slander, but rather:
1) Violation of First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech 2) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Equal Protection of the Laws 3) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Privacy 4) Violation of Fifth Amendment Right to Property 5) Conspiracy to Deprive Persons of Their Civil Rights 6) Action for Neglect to Prevent Civil Right Violation 7) Public Disclosure of Private Facts and 8) Civil Conspiracy
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713062plame1.html
March 18th, 2007 at 5:53 pmToday the topic of conversation has been the absolute credibility of Valerie Plame's testimony on Friday. Most americans connect with a woman who was intentionally placed in harm's way because her husband wasn't agreeing to puppet empty lies and fiction the administration was purporting. It's not a new concept; in fact, the Mafioso used this tactic as their MO in the 30's and 40's....If you can't get the guy because he's too visible, harm his family. Very pedestrian and quite typical criminal thug modus operandi. However, as Valerie stated - she never imagined that HER OWN COUNTRY would attempt to harm her while she was working for them! This is illustrative of just how much this administration of ours cares for each and every one of us. Let this be a lesson to all of us. This government has breached the trust given them by the people of this country and has done so in so many ways that it makes one's head spin. If the demonstrations in Washington over the weekend were any indication of the level of disgust of the american people, then I'd have to say that it's "vietnam all over again" and impeachment will be forthcoming.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:56 pmf.y.i. ... on another thread, the pile of jake said:
…the “rapist†will be done no later than January 20, 2009. Just lay back and enjoy.
@ 4:58 pm
ok - if anyone, anyone, ever again gives this pile of shite any kind of acknowledgement ever again, i will have no reason but to think that that person is also a misogynistic, chauvenistic, braindead, treasonous, bigotted, stoopid, unpatriotic, the list goes on idjit.
…
except for worfeus… and big papa… and…
aww… whatever…
such a lying waste of space…
March 18th, 2007 at 6:00 pm.
Calling Hume scum would be an insult to scum.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI was just cogitating on the value of trollism and it occurred to me that their presence on TP is quite a positive thing. Now hear me out....when they make their very predictable, erroneous comments or comments filled with hate, anger, or threats, it crystalizes in our minds just how awful being a Republican has to be. By example, they create a very graphic mental picture for us of the GOP as a whole.
Secondly, their presence and their obvious inane commentary, irrelevant discussions, and attempts, albeit unsuccessful, to hijack each thread only serves to make those of us react emotionally and engage further in each discussion - not with them per se, of course, because they have nothing noteworthy to add to any discussion but with the discussion process, in general.
Essentially, the present of trolls tends to energize us and to become even more confident that we are on the right track with our thought processes and logical evaluation by sheer contrast to theirs - off-track, swiss cheese hypotheses, and otherwise "jaked-off" logic. It's priceless, really to have such mental stimulation as a residual effect of one so obviously making a fool of themselves.....
Guess it goes to show you that people love to be amused, even if it is by sheer idiocy.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:10 pmP.S. Was it "jake-off" or "joke-off"?? I can't recall....same difference anyway.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#167 - "Although Hume doesn’t realize it consciously, by trying to spread lies about Plame, he is actually projecting his own subconsious internal dishonesty. His lack of integrity is so horrible to his ego he has to subcounsiously get rid of it by projecting his lack of integrity on convenient targets." Comment by Wayne
Thank you, Wayne, for your diagnosis of Brit Hume - it explains ALOT! So with your "psychobabble regrding "projection theory" may we assume that Leftist anti-war types (who have been screaming about "George Bush the WMD liar" have never relied on widely accepted information only to have it vary) have been projecting their "ends justify the means" dishonesty?
I suspected as much, but having the "theory confirmed by a reknown pyschoanalyst such as yourself is enlightening.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThe Bush Legacy (as recently articulated by Zbigniew Brzezinski):
There was a moment, shortly after 9/11, when the world stood in solidarity with the United States, and looked to us for leadership in dealing with the threat posed by Al Qaeda.
At that very moment, Bush foolishly elected to divert the US military from Afghanistan into a war of choice in Iraq.
That is how it will read in the history books: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Steven Hadley, Doug Feith, Bill Kristol et al: Simpletons, Blunderers and Charlatans to a man.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:24 pm#242 - "...Now hear me out….when they make their very predictable, erroneous comments or comments filled with hate, anger, or threats, it crystalizes in our minds just how awful being a Republican has to be....." Comment by veritas
If you will be so kind, veritas, to go back and check which freaks called for the re-institution of the guillotine or hanging....you may be surprised to find it isn't the GOP Americans should fear....Leftists have been selling the emotionalism of "social justice"and the concept of "political correctness".
Trolls unselfishly provide an important public service. I will repeat for you the typical Progressive exchange WITHOUT trolls:
veritas: " the ones purporting to be true patriots are nothing more than demented, sycophantic traitors."
Childrenofliar: "Hume is a war criminal, paid and bought by the war machine"
(yawn....zzzz..)
veritas: "....the GOP filth machine will try to spin it their way, either way so I say “go for the cojones†and stop at nothing less."
ChildrenofLiar: "...Brit Hume is a boot-licking lackey of the non-working power elite like Bush, Cheney, etc. ...."
(ZZZzzzzzzzzz...)
See how predictable your threads would be?? You're welcome.....
March 18th, 2007 at 6:28 pmrrose:
You mean Carter's NSA who planned Operation Eagle Claw which failed to free the Iranian hostages?
March 18th, 2007 at 6:30 pmveritas,one small point: Joe Wilson was not ambassador to Niger. but he did lie to Pincus about the forgeries. Does that mean Joe is just like Brit.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:31 pm#219 - Jenny G.,
March 18th, 2007 at 6:32 pmI know a bit about witchcraft. I love turning wine into vinegar at W's state dinners. Have you ever wondered about the way he pouts his mouth? I am the reason!
NB: I just stole my name from a very apt comment somewhere in the above that I can't find at this time. Anyway . . .
Regarding who watches Fox Entertainment, and what kind of people they may be - I have a brother-in-law who is CEO of a fairly prosperous little company, who is, to his credit, not unwilling to tell how miserably unhappy he is. He also goes home every night, drinks 3 glasses of red wine, 8 cans of beer, and watches nothing but Fox until he passes out. He also calls me occasionally to aver the importance of killing 'libs', but never remembers said calls. I think it's terribly sad - and I think that's probably your average Faux viewer (with the exception of the CEO part).
March 18th, 2007 at 6:34 pmRrose - You mean the same Zbigniew Brzezinski who "served as United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981." NOW there's a recommendation for you!!
March 18th, 2007 at 6:35 pmYou can say what you like about his service during the Carter administration, but I think he's got it right on the Bush administration.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:38 pmNo, Walt, the reason GWB gets that pout - he realizes just HOW much more INTELLIGENT YOU are than everyone he has EVER met.......I corrected him - I assured him YOU were smarter than EVERYONE currently alive on earth.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:41 pmI just sent Brit a friendly e-mail asking him to correct his "report." Not that it'll help, but it doesn't hurt to try.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:44 pmFox News is a dirtbag organization run by slimeballs and viewed by half-wits.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:53 pmDear valiant venus: it appears you have a need to bitterly attack anyone with a view that departs from your own. go ahead, attack me. big deal.
March 18th, 2007 at 6:59 pmRrose - Sweeetie, if you think I have "bitterly attacked anyone" who disagrees with me today I would suggest calling mental health professionals to deal with your paranoia.
March 18th, 2007 at 7:34 pm#232 - "I have a feeling that Brit Hume will be given his walking papers soon in his personal attack on Plame’s integrity under oath. I think Hume should be “lawyering up†as we speak and it will be just dessert for him to be included in Valerie’s civil suit." Comment by veritas
I might have missed it, veritas, but where did you say you went to law school?? You're not an alumni of "Acme Matchbook Correspondence Law School" are you?
March 18th, 2007 at 7:39 pm#247
March 18th, 2007 at 7:40 pmJoseph Wilson Diplomatic career:
1976-1978: General Services Officer, Niamey, Niger
1978-1979: Administrative Office, Lomé, Togo
1979-1981: Administrative Officer, U.S. State Dept, Washington, D.C.
1981-1982: Administrative Officer, Pretoria, South Africa
1982-1985: Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM), Bujumbura, Burundi
1985-1986: Congressional Fellow
1986-1988: DCM, Brazzaville, Republic of the Congo
1988-1991: DCM, Baghdad, Iraq
1992-1995: Ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and PrÃncipe
1995-1997: Political Adviser to Comr in Chief U.S. Armed Forces, EUCOM
1997-1998: Special Assistant to President Clinton and Senior Director for African Affairs, Natl Sec Council, Washington, D.C.
From 1988 to 1991: Deputy Chief of Mission, U.S. Embassy, Baghdad
He was praised by George H. W. Bush after sheltering more than one hundred Americans at the embassy, despite Saddam Hussein's threats to execute anyone who refused to hand over foreigners.
1990, he also became the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein.
#247 One Large Point: He was.
March 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWhy the democrats don't get together and completely boycott FOX is beyond me. FOX is not a legitimate news organization, its purpose being merely to push the Bush agenda.
March 18th, 2007 at 7:53 pm#247 Just so you don't look as ill-informed as you appear: (whispering in your ear so you don't further embarass yourself) Joe Wilson was in Niger from 1976 through 1978, General Services Officer.....(flipping bird while typing - so there!)
March 18th, 2007 at 7:53 pmHey Venus - The trolls have helped recruit more people to the Democrat Party than any enrollment campaign could ever accomplish! That's why they're so beneficial.
March 18th, 2007 at 7:55 pma very worthwhile post, marie... impressive creds...
i love the story about wilson's stance, wearing the noose around his neck, saying if saddam was going to hang him, he would use his own rope...
March 18th, 2007 at 8:03 pmsomething like that... it was amazing, none the less...
no unveritas, go read what you >wrote: "he’d been the ambassador to Niger for years ". Now I can understand that you may have "misspoken", as Joe did. But before you try to make snide commentary, I suggest 2 things: remember what you yourself wrote and actually go read the SSCI report in the section on Niger.
Talk about ill-informed; and sit on that bird, dumbass.
March 18th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI saw this hume chump. He looked very angry. I got the impression he took this Plame testimony personal. He reminded me of the anger i saw in zell (the confederate) miller. The anger and hatred also remind me of drug dealers when you don't have their money.
These people will kill. this stuff is very serious. I bet these people belong to an organization. A cold blooded criminal organization.
March 18th, 2007 at 8:11 pmHow can anyone on the face of the Earth still come on blogs and support these liars?
March 18th, 2007 at 8:48 pmIn my wildest dreams, I would have never imagined that any fellow human being -- who now knows that those 16 words were APOLOGIZED for by Bush official Stehen Hadley -- would come on a blog and continue to attack Joe and Valerie Wilson!
For all trolls: VPW said, under oath, "I was covert at the time I was outed. I had nothing to do with sending my husband to Niger."
And Fox has them believing she's lying under oath!!!!!
Instead of the Liar-in-Chief who took us into this obviously needless war!
whew.
I really think Valerie Wilson should file a defamation of character lawsuit against Brit Hume and Fox "News". When you maliciously and incorrectly call someone a liar on air, and you are absolutely wrong, you should be forced to make an on air correction and apology.
March 18th, 2007 at 8:52 pmJan:
Last time I checked, I am on the planet Earth, but I still don't think Libby lied as much as innocently forgot who told him and when. Woodward says he told someone who doesn't recall that and you don't see any prosecution there. As for the 16 words, Hadley "apologized" because they did not rise to the level of a Presidential State of the Union address -- not because they were false -- in fact, the British government stands by their intelligence.
As for Plame testifying, under oath, “I was covert at the time I was outed. I had nothing to do with sending my husband to Niger.†She may be lying, or she is not giving the legal definition of "covert" -- is there some other "lie" by the "Liar-in-Chief" you are referring to? You are not one of those who think Bush personally set demolition charges at the TWC, are you?
March 18th, 2007 at 9:09 pmOxyCon (as in what Patrick Kennedy said he was addicted to?):
Hume did not call her a "liar" -- he said Plame’s testimony “flies in the face of the evidence†adduced by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which reported that “she [Plame] very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo.†What exactly is Hume "lying" about? Perhaps you are claiming the Senate Intelligence Committee is "lying" instead?
March 18th, 2007 at 9:11 pmJake sez:
Poisonously disingenuous or terminally stupid. Take your pick.
Either way, Jake has relegated himself to the position of parody-troll, on the same level as Patrick1 and firehead. Takes all kinds to make a world, I guess...
March 18th, 2007 at 9:15 pmTripMaster Monkey:
There are other possibilities -- I could be BOTH poisonously disingenuous and terminally stupid -- have a great night : )
March 18th, 2007 at 9:27 pmHume is a mindless flapjaw, like anybody featured on Fox. IGiven what passes Fox's standard for "news" I don't need to press the play button above to know that nothing but bullshit will follow. Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass and turn instead to the major networks or CNN for my news fix.
March 18th, 2007 at 9:33 pmIf you look in the main body of the Senate Report, page 39 states:
So, the main body of the Senate Report itself strongly suggests that Ms. Plame, international womym of mystery, was the one who got her hubby his job.
Brit Hume merely stated, that her testimony “flies in the face of the evidence†adduced by the Senate Intelligence Committee."
Where is the "lie"? What is at all inaccurate in his observation?
Nothing. Brit Hume is a reporter, and Keith Olbermann is a posturing fop.
March 18th, 2007 at 9:42 pm#176 Juan C
We need to get abolish the CIA, the standing army, and the Pentagon monster that threatens both our financial and our security interests.
Comment by Children of Lir
And you need to get real.
Comment by chimpeach
Sorry to butt in, but Children of Lir is right on. There has not, in the modern history, been a bigger terrorist organization than CIA. I wonder if anyone would answer you to get real, chimpeach, after you say, we have to erase Al-Qaeda.
Right, Juan. We need to abolish the CIA and the military and why not get rid of the FBI, Congress, the president, the Judiciary branch, all state and local government, all police and...what am I missing here? Anyway, if we just got rid of all of them, we'd be rid of all the bad people in the world and everything would be hunky dory. I just know it would.
Jeez, Juan. Children of Lir is too embarassingly simple-minded to respond to anymore, but I thought you might be a little better connected to reality. You really think that just pulling the plug on the CIA is a good idea? Do you not think that there is some value to the U.S. to having people do the work that Valerie Plame was doing, trying to detect and help stop the proliferation of nucelar weapons?
March 18th, 2007 at 9:42 pm252 - valiant venus,
March 18th, 2007 at 9:43 pmI can assure you that I am not the most clever person on Earth. I only have six gene lines. My Granddaughter has seventeen, including native American (Hopi). When she visits us in Florida, she will sit on the edge of the deck and geckos, bunnies, frogs and birds will approach her. She has a name for each of them, even the lone toad - Leapy.
At five, almost six, she can speak Spanish and German and does algebra at a high school level. Her favorite author is not Dr. Seuss, but is C. S. Forrester.
As I finally checked the facts, (I usually don't but I felt an urge to) it appears that "hottie" Plame was telling the truth and the panel of 3 Republican Senators were misinformed. Wow, I was wrong— first time for anything I suppose.
March 18th, 2007 at 9:46 pmYou know, you could learn alot from a dummy
RIP
SGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Or as the POTUS and his Repuppetcan enbalers at Faux, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Clear Channel, and the doomed 30% call him………..comma # 1462
March 18th, 2007 at 9:54 pm#276 firehead
As I finally checked the facts, (I usually don’t but I felt an urge to) it appears that “hottie†Plame was telling the truth and the panel of 3 Republican Senators were misinformed. Wow, I was wrong— first time for anything I suppose.
Wow. Are you really firehead? That doesn't seem like something you'd say.
March 18th, 2007 at 9:56 pmMr. Hume is so convincing, it makes one wish to learn how to be so like Ananias, for some fantasies are not so easy to fashion. He cares not that he undermines our troops and becomes complicit in the crimes of the most treasonous "administration" in the history of this nation. Maybe he finds comfort at his bedside each night when he prays to God to ask forgiveness for aiding in the deaths caused by the Butchering Bushmen of Baghdad, who slaughter and profit without conscience. These bastards are right up there with Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin, and Hume is just one of their many tools to shape the ignorant public into submission. Someone prove me wrong, please, and convince me these traitors had nothing to do with 9/11.
March 18th, 2007 at 10:02 pm#205 Joke
chimpeach:
Please point out even ONE “lie†of mine?
Here are four:
1) I can try to find the link to the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Report that stated Mr. Wilson lied, but I thought you guys would already know about that allegation.
It wasn't in "the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Report." It was in the purely Republican addendum written by Pat Roberts, who was also responsible for stonewalling the Phase II investigation (intelligence failures inside the White House) before the election and trying to kill it completely after the election. The committee didn't say that Wilson lied. They made no such determination. Roberts said it and offered little to support that claim.
2) Lastly, I am saying that the White House though there was no law broken, at least up until the point in time when Fitzgerald was appointed. After that, their hands were tied.
You're not in a position to say whether or not a law was broken. The CIA believed there was. The appellate judges (upholding the district court's denial of Miller's motion to quash) believed there was.
3) As for the link between 9/11 and Iraq, you know that Saddam supported terrorists, right?
And you know that the terrorists you're talking about are Palestinian, not al Qaeda. Saddam didn't support al Qaeda.
4) Every intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMDs, and the risk he could transfer those to terrorists post-9/11 was too great.
Yeah, that's why German intelligence agents were trying to warn us against believing Curveball. And they also said the CIA knew he was a 'fabricator'. France, Russia, China, and Germany said that Colin Powell's evidence didn't convince them that Saddam had WMDs, just that he was capable of producing them.
March 18th, 2007 at 10:44 pmDo you not think that there is some value to the U.S. to having people do the work that Valerie Plame was doing, trying to detect and help stop the proliferation of nucelar weapons?
Comment by chimpeach
sorry, no. You know better than me that CIA is not used for that.
March 18th, 2007 at 10:48 pm#281 Juan C
sorry, no. You know better than me that CIA is not used for that.
What was Plame doing, then?
March 18th, 2007 at 11:25 pmSeriously, the intelligence level of this board is absolutely shocking. The few posters who aren't demonstrably insane write like 11-year-olds. I could let my 5-year-old daughter post here and bring up the mean IQ. It's no wonder that so many of you have the facts so wrong. Just some quick corrections to the record. There are many more, but digest these first.
1) Joe Wilson lied multiple times, and he got caught. This is seldom disputed by even the most blinkered lefties. He lied in order to hurt Bush during the 2004 election, because he was a paid Kerry staffer angling for the Sec'y of State position in a Kerry Administration. (Val -- non-covertly -- donated to Gore and Kerry.)
2) Richard Armitage -- no big Bushie, by the way, and curiously unindicted for outing Plame -- was admittedly the first leaker. He gave up Val to Woodward (after Woodward reasonably asked how an unqualified politico could get a WMD mission to Africa) because Joe Wilson had already told "everybody" that Val got him the gig while he was peddling his story around Washington. It didn't cross Armitage's mind that she was covert because Joe hadn't been treating her identity like she was covert! Did I mention that Curiously Unindicted Armitage told Fitz about his leak, and he was told to be quiet about it? Hmmmmm.
3) Armitage's story of Val's influence is backed by the full Senate Intelligence Committee report, not just three Republicans. That's just a bald-faced lie. But rationally, can anyone else figure out a way that the horrifically underqualified Joe Wilson would get that gig? Even someone as D.C.-savvy as Woodward was totally baffled by it!
4) Armitage "leaked" about a month before Wilson wrote his NYT piece. How could it have been to punish, errr, discredit, errrrr, make an example of (seriously, can't Dem Talking Points be more consistent?) Joe Wilson, who hadn't written anything yet?
I'll cast more pearls before swine later...
March 18th, 2007 at 11:29 pmWhat was Plame doing, then?
She was obviously telling hubby Joe about all the scary WMD that Saddam had, which is why Joe is on record several times in the run-up to the invasion talking about Saddam's very real WMD threat.
Tell me again why the lefties think she was doing such a great job for America? She was part of The Big Lie, man [bong hit]!
March 18th, 2007 at 11:37 pmBrit Hume is just angry and jealous that John Stewart and Stephen Collbert are mopping up all the awards for being the best fake newsmen. Lets give ol Hummer the Ted Baxter Award and maybe he will shut up and go away.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI rarely post anymoe because America finally gets it with Republicans. Brit Hume is still angry from network TV (CBS, NBC, ABC) that he didn't get high profile jobs, look at him like a little angry boy. Thank you America, thank you for seeing what the GOP really are: angry little boys.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:42 pmREMEMBER THAT A NEWSCASTER, LIKE A POLITICIAN, IS MERELY WAVING SOMEONE ELSE'S FLAG, BLOWING SOMEONE ELSE'S HORN, AND DOING AS HE IS PAID/ORDERED TO DO. YOU DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ORIGINAL OUT OF AN ECHO. AND DON'T, WHATEVER YOU DO, THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT THE NEWSCASTERS ARE 'ON THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE'; LIKE THE POLITICIANS, THEY'RE CONSIDERING THEIR OWN JOBS, BONUSES, AND PENSIONS. AFTER THREE CENTURIES, AMERICAN POLITICS AND NEWS MANIPULATION IS NOT ABOUT TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThe Republic Party’s TWELFTH Commandment:
12. Thou Shalt Never GO UNDER OATH!
Bush and Cheney REFUSED to go UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission.
They REFUSED to SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH about their involvement with 9/11, the Saudi TERRORIST Financiers, and
The Bin Ladens
The Bushes are international CRIMINALS and TRAITORS to the USA.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:19 amwow, wow. Kerry, please. Try investigating FACTS. Everything you've lamely tried to state as truth has been disproved.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:20 amKerry-
It is rare for someone to write such a long post and get almost every single thing wrong. I'll focus on the one which showcases your stupidity and simply negates the need the read anything else you have cut-and-pasted.
This little snippet: "(Val — non-covertly — donated to Gore and Kerry.)" shows that you are one of the dim who believe that the mere mention of Val's existence outs her. To quote from elsewhere: Are you saying that Valerie Wilson was not supposed to reveal the name of the company the CIA told her she was to say she worked for as part of her cover?
I know this is really hard, so take a deep breath......
1. The fact that Valerie Wilson existed wasn't classified.
2. The fact that she was married to Joseph Wilson wasn't classified.
3. The fact that she worked for Brewster -Jennings wasn't classified.
4 The facts that she was actually employed by the CIA, and that the CIA was using Brewster-Jennings as a front WERE classified.
If you (or other trolls) can acknowledge these facts, as well as:
1. She WAS Covert
2. She DID NOT recommend her husband for the trip. Under oath she said that a colleague was misquoted within the Senate intelligence committee report (saying she had proposed her husband for the trip) and that this colleague subsequently was prevented by a superior from sending the committee a memo correcting the record.
3. The White House acknowledged Joseph Wilson was right, and said it should not have included the "16 words".
then perhaps you might be worth engaging in conversation. But I won't hold my breath. I wish you trolls held your breath waiting for the Wilsons' to get indicted.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:35 amDennis - Put the Bailey's down - the drunk-fest is over!
Joe "the Liar" Wilson got caught in the web he helped weave....... finding a sympathetic ear in the mass media was hard for the opportunistic Joe.....I wonder - was Joe going to insist on full cosmetic surgery to alter Val's appearance after helping splash her face all over the known world......If she were in as grave danger as she intimated, maybe Val better look over her shoulder and check to see if additional Life Insurance has been issued. Hmmmm......
Happy Monday!!!
March 19th, 2007 at 12:36 amWhat was Plame doing, then?
Comment by chimpeach
She was not saving humanity, thats for sure.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:38 amNot trying to be sarcastic. Do you really think spies do their work for the best interests of people?
I wish that one troll would actually list just one supposed lie made by Joe Wilson, and back it up with sources.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:41 amFor the record, Rush, Fox, Coulter and the now discredited addendum tacked on by Republicans to the senate report do not qualify.
#293 - Obsolete - Joe said he was sent to Niger at the behest of Vice President Cheney. Why Cheney would ask Wilson, who's partisanship was well known, was never explained by Joe. Next.....
FYI - I watched an interesting documentary segment on Winston Churchill - (if you were subjected to "modified" history classes and are unfamiliar with this name - use "the Google"). Funny thing - Churchill's political opposition, alarmed at the threat he saw in the newly appointed Chancellor of Germany, called him a "war monger" and hailed Prime Minister Chamberlain's idiotic pact with Hitler, "Peace with Honour". Oh, the irony of idiots! What a familiar refrain from those who would appease our enemies.....
Goood night!!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:34 am#294- Virulent Virus-
Another LIE by another TRAITOR-Bush azzhole-licking Nazi.
#293 asked for LINKS, PROOF, etc.
NONE, as usual.
Just LIES made up by Nazis like Rush, Coulter, etc.
Next Nazi!!!
March 19th, 2007 at 2:12 am[...] news director and pathological liar Brit Hume, Hume Launches New Smear: Plame Lied Under Oath Hume said Plame’s testimony “flies in the face of the evidence” adduced by the [...]
March 19th, 2007 at 2:20 amBrit Hume IS A DUNG-dit(A Pundit FULL OF SHIT) WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE IS TALKING ABOUT, SPREADING LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES and MORE DAMNED LIES, CALUMNY, INNUENDO, UNPROVED ASSERTIONS and SWIFT-BOAT STYLE SMEARS THAT NO AMERICAN WITH AN OUNCE OF COMMON SENSE IN THEIR NOGGIN WOULD EITHER BELIEVE OR TRUST.
March 19th, 2007 at 2:35 amBrit Hume, Roses are RED
The SHIT that Comes Out of Your VILE MOUTH is BROWN!
Why the HELL DON'T ya JUMP IN THE LAKE
And DROWN, Ya CLOWN, DROWN, DROWN, DROWN!!!!
Fox News indirectly accused Plame of lying under oath. That is slander, unless Fox News can prove its assertion is true, which it cannot do. Fox needs to be inundated by libel and slander suits because it (Fox) lies a lot. Brit Hume is obsolete and Fox is morally bankrupt, and neither know it yet.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:56 amHume’s false claim originated from a statement attached to the Senate Intelligence Committee report on Iraq that was released in 2004. In an addendum to that report. ... the statement written by three Republican senators and falsely attributed it as the “unanimous†conclusion of the Senate report.
The three conservative senators based their claim on testimony by a CIA employee who appeared before the Senate Intel Committee.
No, the report itself contains testimony detailing that Plame suggested Wilson.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:02 amIt is not some last minute amendment added by Republican senators.
Also it would be hard to believe, given the publicity that report and its contents have received, that you are unaware you just lied about this.
This is the SSCI report
This is the chapter of the report that deals with Wilson and how he came to be selected for the trip.
This is not some amendment tacked on to the back of the report at the last minute. It is page 4 of the section that deals with Niger uranium.
This is Plame's CIA department deciding to appoint her husband Wilson.
The conclusion that Plame recommended Wilson is based on testimony and documents supporting that fact. There were memos. To suggest that this conclusion is supported only when someone's verbal testimony is taken out of context is a lie.
This speaks for itself. She recommended him as per the verbatim quote from her memo to that effect. This is still the Niger chapter of the report, in the middle of the report, not some opinion tacked on to the end.
These are not somebody's words being taken out of context.
As far as false claims go, it's:
Thinkprogress: 1
Britt Hume: 0
It's like scoring an own goal in the World Cup against Tonga.
So apparently this one crying CIA officer must have appeared before the committee multiple times under different identities, Norbit-style, given multiple accounts which all conclude that Plame recommended Wilson, then lied to Plame and told her that his words may have been taken out of context. His many, many words including reading out content of a memo ?
Well that unlikely scenario would account for Plame beleiving this man's account was the only thing suggesting she recommended Wilson (if she pretended she's never bothered reading the report you just did).
But not ThinkProgress. Either I have just given you your first ever glimpse at the content of the report or you knew this wasn't the case when you suggested it was to call someone else a liar.
You know you've put in a good day's work when you have out-lied a Fox news commentator. Bravo.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:42 am[...] don’t know whether Brit Hume was the first, but he certainly went at it with gusto. Think Progress demolishes him, but I expect we’ll be hearing the same accusation from others of his ilk, [...]
March 19th, 2007 at 9:07 amThe only saving grace about the Republican Propaganda network, FOX, is that the majority of listeners and viewers have already committed to FOX's slant and accept FOX's news as "the word." I imagine few fence -sitter FOX viewers going Right as the network attempts to sway them. LT
March 19th, 2007 at 9:29 amThank you, Kilo! Not that I expect any "useful idiots" to actually read the report you link - the word "Intelligence" might throw them off....
March 19th, 2007 at 9:57 amif the world were made up on only republicans it would soon end. nuclear war in a toxic stew of pollutants. 10 percent would be super-rich, another 5 percent, middle class, and the rest, slaves or in jail.
but, if the world were made up of only democrats, all would have a shot at a good or acceptable life. darwinianism takes place in soulless beasts - republicans "ape" that concept. may they go the way of the dodo (bush).
sa
March 19th, 2007 at 10:04 amWe need to say it loudly and often: We all need to raise the level of discourse - by telling the truth!
March 19th, 2007 at 10:08 amWhen Rape-public=cans say that, they mean don't call us on our lies, you're not nice!
SA - Thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts. While I read nonsense such as your stupidly sweeping statement, may I remind you that even conservatives wish to live. We want everyone to advance and do well. What we resent from liberals is the liberal line of appeasement and pacifism - which has always served to embolden our enemies. Grow up.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:46 amIrony is dead on the left.
March 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmYou're not referring to me when you say "we".
I don't resent liberals. I just resent people lying in order to shape public opinion.
Much like pretending that you care whether foreign policies advanced by liberals "embolden your enemies". Clearly you don't care how much power is afforded your enemies given that the unimpeded foreign policy of conservatives has seen Pakistani and Saudi radicals, Afghan warlords, Hezbollah, Iranian conservative fundamentalists, al Qaeda, Shiite militias and the North Korean regime all rise in influence as a result.
Embolden your enemies. Really. Has the list changed recently and Iran been left off ? Because someone handed them proxy control over the Iraqi government and it wasn't no liberal.
You could of course link us to displays of you caring just as much about these foreign policy decisions emboldening your enemies. But there'll be a reason why you won't.
March 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmObsolete,
As I observed, the mean intelligence here appears to be about fifth-grade level, so I am not stunned that you are 100% wrong in every way here.
Not only that, you dishonestly took one parenthetical that I mentioned in a long post, jump to an ill-informed and unreasoned conclusion, and used your error to pretend that the rest of the facts presented weren't "worth" arguing with one so misguided as me. Which makes me wonder: Have I overestimated the intelligence here, or underestimated the dishonesty here? Both?
I mentioned Plame's contributions to Democrats, not to make a point about covert or not (which would be evident by the context to one a little more intelligent than the typical TPer), but to demonstrate again her and her hubby's blatant partisanship. If you guys are so ardent in dismissing Fox News as partisan liars, then why shouldn't the righties feel equally free to dismiss Plame as a partisan liar whose hubby was working for Bush's opponent?
March 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmIt is truly amazing to read the moonbat lefties concern about the well-being of a so-called covert CIA operative. Never happened before. Would it happened if the bottle-blond bimbo was republican?
March 19th, 2007 at 10:13 pmlaughalbe. this will entirely go nowhere. even if there were reason to question her credibility in entirety, in regards to every other thing she could possibly say, the case sounds like it barely, if at all, requires her testimony. fox needs to lick a different ballsac to make a dent here.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:07 pm316 - Plame and her Husband had been Republicans since way back when they were still a credible political party. You are an enormous idiot.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWhat I really found disturbing was the way Hume interrupted Juan Williams when he began making points. "PAAAAHLEASE..." Hume's "arguments" on this are usually to harumph and interrupt sonorously that something is just beyond the pale of reason. The central point of all this has been effectively obscured however. The white house is simply and utterly insincere when it claims there is a need for keeping everything secret in this war on terror. If they believed that they would have asked if they should reveal the information before they gave it to a reporter. Their defense is in fact an admission they dont care or they would have bothered to find out before leaking.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:10 pmFirst I would like to point out that Ms Plame was a covert operative seven years before this mess hit the fan. The relevent federal stautes says that it is a violation to "expose" a covert operative even up to five years following their last official status as covert. There was nothing to expose. CIA analysts are just federal employees (there are lots of them at CIA). There was never any crime to investigate guys. Liby was hit for perjury and the special prosecutor knew that no crime was at hand before even quetioning Libby.
Sorry to give facts to back my opinon.
I watched the report inquestion and Hume stated a series of facts inregards to a congressional hearing. The published report did indeed say that Ms Plame recommended her husband (big deal). Her testimony said that she did not(another big deal). Hume did not call her a liar but said that there is reason to question her credibility on the issue(entirelt true in the context of the interview). That is a far cry from calling her a liar.
I think maybe I watched a difierent clip than some others did.
Last, Waxman stated that they would insist on getting that memo. A nice sound bite, but no clip will surface and no follow up will ensue. Statements for sound bites is a primary reason for the "hearing" process.
Sorry for no name calling or vitriol. Another time maybe.
March 23rd, 2007 at 3:25 pmI never watch Fox. I prefer the truth.
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 am