VIDEO: Sestak, Andrews Dominate Debate With Tom DeLay and Richard Perle
VIDEO: Sestak, Andrews Dominate Debate With Tom DeLay and Richard Perle
Today, NBC’s Meet the Press featured a panel with retired Navy Admiral Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) and Win Without War director Tom Andrews debating former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) and prominent neocon Richard Perle.
Andrews and Sestak made short work of DeLay and Perle. Andrews emphasized how dangerous it is to place U.S. soldiers into a civil war. “Our kids don’t know when they’re out there on the streets of Baghdad, whether the people they’re next to are the enemy or their allies. … They’re losing their lives as a result.”
Sestak made the case for redeploying U.S. forces out of Iraq. “Even George Washington at the Battle of Brandywine understood after this initial clash that he had to redeploy and go elsewhere to assume the strategic victory. That’s what this is about. Is there a better way to handle Iraq and then to be able to handle the entire security environment?”
Watch it:
At one point, DeLay claimed that places like Bahrain and Qatar wouldn’t accept U.S. troops who had redeployed out of Iraq. Sestak put his hand on DeLay’s arm and informed him that the U.S. military already has bases in those countries.
Later, Perle made the incredible statement that “‘Redeploy’ is a euphemism for cut-and-run.” Note to Perle: redeployment is an official military term (see this entry in the Pentagon’s Dictionary of Military Terms). “Cut and run” is the euphemism, and a tired and false one at that.
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Richard Perle and Tom Delay are eupehmisms for steaming piles of dog feces.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmI watched it this morning and, no surprise, I agreed with Perle and DeLay more than I did the cut-and-run crowd.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmPerle was also reminded he was the one who said there would soon be a “George W. Bush Boulevard” in Baghdad.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pmNo surprise there Jake, after all you are a troll of the first degree.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pmAs Perle noted, this may be the first time in U.S. history an American Admiral (thinkfully retired) has recommending announcing to our enemies on what date we would be retreating. Funny how Russert seemed to lose control of the debate in the face of such forceful advocates for American victory. Good job DeLay and Perle.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pmSkewered is a good word for this two on none interaction.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pmRut and cun don’t cut it. Stay and die in the middle of a civil war should replace it.
Jake, You agree with the terrorist, you want to keep our troop in Iraq? I figured as much.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmdelay doesn’t even know where we have bases in the mideast? texas must have the record for sending the dumbest idiots to washington.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmNice, two wise guys combating the GOP lying machine with the only armory of truth telling.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmConsider the bottom of the GOP barrel “scraped” if disgraced ex-Congressmann Delay and Iraq War/neocon/PNAC cheerleader Perle are brought out on MTP to defend the Bush policies.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pmMrHaney:
Perle stated he was not going to debate all of Andrews’s mischaracterizations of their prior debates. I know what that feels, with people here trying to get me to waste time finding and then re-posting all my many reasons why I think the U.S. Attorneys dust-up is much ado about nothing.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:37 pmjake, just how fat are you?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmRUCerious:
Do you even know how many U.S. troops died in Vietnam?
goose1:
I thought the terrorists wanted the U.S. out of Iraq?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHow’s life under the bridge jake?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pmPerle was also reminded he was the one who said there would soon be a “George W. Bush Boulevard†in Baghdad.
Comment by MrHaney — March 18, 2007
There is, too bad it is a dead-end.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pmOk, Jake, think about this for a second. Which is more important, as in more strategically beneficial to our country … 1) staying in Iraq with a low chance of actual success while fueling an insurgency and training terrorists for a future attack on the US while destroying the effectiveness of our military and bankrupting our country, or 2) pulling out of Iraq in order to preserve our military effectiveness and responsiveness to incidents around the world and keeping our country from going bankrupt?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:41 pmi figure jake is as fat and ugly as karl rove. sitting in the dark basement of his mother’s house, typing away angrily, desperate to lose his virginity.
sad.
so. very. sad.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:41 pmSo Gonzales’s Chief of Staff resigns over a nothing? Perle isn’t going to engage in any debate he knows he’s lost before it begins.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:41 pmwhuttup Jake.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pmyou HAVE to find it funny that Delay didn’t know where we have military bases before making that comment-or scary, depending on where you sit.
Jake said: “As Perle noted, this may be the first time in U.S. history an American Admiral (thinkfully retired) has recommending announcing to our enemies on what date we would be retreating.”
Yet Bush and the Bush War Cultists spent all of December and January announcing that they were planning to revise the Bush strategy with a Bush Surge.
So, all the Sunnis got out of town to the areas surrounding Baghdad, where US troops are now STILL dying at a rate of 3 a day and the Shiite death squads and miltias were informed by their leaders to “lay low” because George W. Bush was surging troops into Iraq.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThe better question should be, how many soldiers died in Vietnam after it was determined that there was no military solution we could accomplish there? Vietnam was the place where we “won” every battle, but lost the war. Sound familiar?
March 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmjust what the hell was delay, an INDICTED sleaze ball, doing on the
March 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pmteevee anyway???
seriously…
Jake:
Explain the story of the “Dancing Israelis” - Mossad agents caught red handed on 9/11.
Explain why they were set free without charges.
Did Israel and Cheney conspire to use 9/11 as the PRETEXT FOR WAR?
If not, explain the story of the Dancing Israelis.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:48 pmIf so, explain the story of the Dancing Israelis.
Sestak put his hand on DeLay’s arm and informed him that the U.S. military already has bases in those countries.
I love it.
I’ve got $1 that says DeLay had to use every ounce of strength he had to keep fromthrowing that hand off of him.
(video downloading — dialup, oy)
March 18th, 2007 at 1:50 pmJake, The Iraqi people want us out of Iraq. The terrorist want us bogged down there. It helps their recruiting, Training, etc. If we leave the Iraqi’s will keep fighting wit each other and kick the terrorist out.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:50 pmJake:
Dude, you’re goofy.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:50 pmBoth Perle and deLay should have warrants issued for their arrests…
…on charges of TREASON…
…and war profiteering…
…Perle is almost certainly an AIPAC/Israeli agent…
…they need to be brought to justice…
March 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pmthe jaketrolls of this world do not deserve our time or energy to “debate” them. I am sure jake “thinks” of himself as a great debater, but he is just a mass-debater. As trolls do, they say any asinine thing as often as possible not hoping to persuade or dissuade, but merely to draw attention to themselves/itself.
The jake/trolls are sad, pale, possibly pimply little boobs, longing for female companionship, but settling for a keyboard.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#21 MrHaney
I don’t understand why people still believe winning most of the battles wins the war. Even in our own revolution, we lost most of the battles. What happened in Vietnam to the US is the same thing that happened to the French, though the Vietnamese capped off their defeat of France with the battle of Dien Bien Phu, which the French blundered into over their frustration with the unwillingness of the Vietnamese to give in.
In Iraq, our military is becoming frustrated. Such frustration is dangerous, because it will cause even the most rational of individuals to lash out and rationalize atrocities against the people of an occupied country. The situation we are in right now is quite dangerous, and if we do not get out soon I am afraid there will be such an atrocity committed that it will forever stain the soul of our nation.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:55 pmIn Jake’s defense, I’m not sure he qualifies as a “troll” as I understand the term. I don’t think he posts simply in order to derail the debate or provoke reasonable posters. I think he holds his opinions sincerely and wants to express them.
Now, having said that, I should add that he seems to have an awful lot of time to devote to this expression, and he probably gets quite a kick out of his contrariness. He also doesn’t appear to think very deeply beyond the concepts of “right — good/left — bad”, so his real contributions to the debate are minimal at best.
Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe he IS a troll.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThe fact that Perle thinks “redeploy” means the same thing as cut and run shows how little they know about the US military. Redeploy simply means to leave. I redeployed 3 times from the middle east. I redeployed from small field training exercises…it has nothing to do with the success or failure of the mission. Just like the military calls a grocery store a commissary, so too does it use the word “redeploy” for when it is time to go. And Yes it is time to redeploy.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI saw this was on and avoided watching.
Really, after all of his predictive failures, I would not believe Perle if he said grass was green.
I have only one question that I want to see Delay Answer: “Hey Tom, how’s your pal Abramoff been lately?” OK one more. “Been on anyjunkets to Saipan lately?”.
http://www.salon.com/news/1999/02/04news.html
http://dailydelay.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 04/ northern-mariana-islands-abramoff.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLay
March 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI do wonder at the mentality of trolls. What it is that drives a person to spend hours every day urging other people to hate them, hanging out in a virtual room filled with people who view them with utter contempt? Is the constant need to argue all that gratifying? The more I see it, the more masochistic it appears. Or perhaps it’s simply driven by the delusion that they are masters of debate, crushing their opponents like some bizarre video game. Whatever, it’s pretty damn weird.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pmJake is not a troll; he is just lost and has wandered from a right leaning faithful blog somewhere.
He can only enlighten those who are as lost as is he.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pmOh, and Jake, regarding your “I thought the terrorists wanted the U.S. out of Iraq?” comment, I find it difficult to imagine a BETTER scenario for the terrorists than to have the American military bogged down on their turf, where they not only serve as convenient targets but also provide great material for recruiting new jihadists.
Osama bin Laden wanted three things:
1. US military out of Saudi Arabia
2. public opinion in the Middle East to turn away from the west
3. trap the world’s opnly superpower in an unwinnable war that would drain its resources and frustrate its people.
With George Bush’s help, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pmIs this a (once) great country (on the verge of extinction) or what!
Even today, after getting our asses handed to us for four years, the people who have always been wrong about everything and bear the sole responsibility for this clusterfu#k in Iraq, are the “most credible” voices in the media.
People like Howard Dean, who have always been right about everything they ever predicted about Iraq, remain the “least credible, out-of-touch-with-reality defeatists” whose advice is not only not welcome but is still being ridiculed in the media.
Unbelievable………and we wonder why we are getting our asses kicked on every turn everywhere.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pmExactly how did disgraced, ethically-challenged ex-Congressman Tom Delay and perpetually wrong war promoter and prognosticator Richard Perle get invited to this segment of MTP?
One the one hand, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for Sestak and Andrews, but on the other it was embarrasing for them to share this stage with these two stooges, and for Russert and MTP that they were the best he could do.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI watched it this morning and, no surprise, I agreed with Perle and DeLay more than I did the cut-and-run crowd. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
No surprise, you’re just as much of an ignorant lying smear artist that prefers to use *slurs* and *hypocrisy*.
Hey Jake, what about on the other thread where you said you would NEVER resort to naming calling. Yeah “the cut-and-run crowd” isn’t name calling! You st*pid hypocrite and lying piece of sh*t!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pm#27 …Perle is almost certainly an AIPAC/Israeli agent…
How true. Perle’s first and foremost loyalty is not with his country of birth. Just like Feith and the other neo-cons the “only democracy in the middle east”, Israel, is Perle’s obsession. He should be executed for treason.
GO IRAQI INSURGENTS. BRING SHOCK AMD AWE TO THE STREETS OF AMERICA JUST LIKE THE AMERICAN BASTARDS DID TO YOUR STREETS.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI thought the terrorists wanted the U.S. out of Iraq?
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
You *think*? Unlikely. As for what the terrorists want, you missed the little Al Qaeda memo they retrieved when they killed Zarqawi? The one that said the *goal* of Al Qaeda was to get us into Iraq and keep us there while killing and injuring our soldiers? How does it feel to know you’re nothing more than Osama’s ignorant b*tch, doing whatever he wants? You stuuuuupid old ignorant lying fool!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#36 Abby:
BINGO! Well said.
I’m waiting for the right wing to pre-emptively spring some new talking point on us, something about maybe “the tyranny of competence”.
I’m thinking it goes something like this: “For too long the liberal media has kow-towed to the opinions of the so-called ‘competent elite’. Just because a public figure has been proven consistently correct is no reason to pay attention to everything they say.”
March 18th, 2007 at 2:11 pmListening to two Chickenhawks explain “military strategy” to a Vice Admiral was surreal.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pmits never been the case that republican cultists have been correct about anything. Its always been the case that republican cultists have dominated the dialog, enabled by their corporate media lapdogs who have made sure that the republican lies, smears, and deceptions are all that the average American hears.
Put a republican cultist at the same table as anyone knowledgeable in the truth and the republican always looks like the lying, ignorant, phantasmagorical ass that they are.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:15 pm.
What I hate (and I mean hate) about people like Mr. Perle is their argument comes down to predicting terrible things that will happen if other things are done, e.g., pulling US troops out of Iraq. And these imaginary, invented scenarios are argued with full confidence that everyone knows this is what will happen!
No one knows the future!!! This seemingly random, pure speculation should not be taken seriously by any interested party.
On the occasion when he spins out one of these fantastic scenarios, someone should sternly ask, “How, exactly how do you know this will happen?” I predict sputtering, inarticulateness and exasperation will follow!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmAnd we have this Washington Post story, discussing the latest intelligence report that *dismisses* the threat of Iraq Al Qaeda against the security of the US.
So while the trolls were Jake’ing all over the thread - they were just embarrassing themselves with their own st*pidity and ignorance!
Anyone else see this little tidbit about the *surge*?
They’ll quickly discover the Bush strategy fits squarely in the DON’ts!!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmJoe Sestak is my new congressman. I gave money, went to fundraisers and rallies, passed out literature door-to-door, and worked the polls all day. I couldn’t be prouder. It was time and money well spent. He is representing the sense of the district in a way I never thought possible. I just sent another check to support his re-election. I just worry that the next administration will poach him.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmJake,
Like we give a rats ass that you agreed with the evil overlords. Republicans are evil thugs and you are their puppet.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:23 pmJake,
Again with the fourth grade sentence structure, “has recommending announcing…”
You too funny!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pmbetter dead than redstate and mparker:
I am 155 pounds, 6 foot 2, and happily married for 53 years. Any other questions?
AshenShard:
Under your hypothetical, I’d go with choice 2) but not announce the date to the terrorists (besides, our country is not going bankrupt).
MrHaney:
Maybe it was because MTP is an hour show?
whiteyfresh:
Maybe DeLay knows that neither Saudia Arabia nor Barain will agree to taking 175,000 American troops?
ace:
If I had more than an hour, I would. Maybe if Nico starts a thread on tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories again?
goose1:
As soon as the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Iraq ask us to leave, we will.
KRank:
Regardless of what the terrorists want, I want our troops fighting them over there rather than here. And, yes, I hold that belief sincerely. Whether you think that makes me a “troll” or not is of no concern to me.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmPerle & AEI = Never been right about anything.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI have to give Jake a few points, at least he’s trying to stay on topic. The typical GOPer will troll into a blog and immediately say something insulting and completely off topic in order to create a Rovian diversion — look at me, i’m exposing myself, isn’t it small, look over here everyone. Regardless of how humiliating, the goal is to switch the topic, and they’re pretty effective.
The fact that MTP would give any time to Tom Delay, aside from airing his mug shot or reviewing the pending charges against him, shows what utter suckups they are: in case anyone missed the Libby testimony the purpose of Sunday talking head shows is to aid the dissemination of GOP talking points.
Another sign of what suckup they are is that before Perle ever opens his mouth, a network should be required to show a short reel of his worst predictions. Perle is part of the We’ve-Been-Wrong-On-Everything clan. Yet, MTP features him as some sort of credible source of opinion and expertise. Perle is simply an idealogue for who lives in a separate reality.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmRocks911:
You try responding to a hundred posts, as fast as you can, and let me know who that goes. At least I do it without resorting to name-calling.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pm“Barain” = Bahrain
March 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pmPerle and Delay are creepy. They ooze creepiness. Yuck.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pmJust a couple of old Israel loving pervs feeding good christian soldiers into the hamburger hopper.
Thanks, ScrewBush, for the compliment (I guess), but are you really saying that Tim Russert’s purpose on MTP is to aid the dissemination of GOP talking points?! Or, you were just talking about DeLay and Perle? How about Tom Andrews?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“who” = how (LOL)
March 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pmAs Perle noted, this may be the first time in U.S. history an American Admiral (thinkfully retired) has recommending announcing to our enemies on what date we would be retreating.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
The Iraqi people are now our enemies?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pmJake,
Paaaaaaalease, I don’t argue with pigs it gets you nowhere and it annoys the pig.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pmRichard Perle is about as loathsome a public figure in D.C. right now (among the neo-cons, the only one who visually angers me as much is the eternally smug yet eternally dead wrong Bill Kristol). It was so nice to see Andrews and especially Sestak take him apart. The neo-cons still have not taken responsibility for being wrong about EVERYTHING and Perle is no exception. But he’s washed up now. Hell, he dragged out the tired old “cut and run” verse. Like we should take millitary advice from a guy who’s biggest millitary experence is an all night game of RISK. (RISK is probably Perle and the neo-cons favorite game, however, simply because in that game, you can conquer the entire Middle East in one turn).
Another note: It was sure fun watching Admiral Joe Sestak debate Tom “Minorities took my spot for Vietnam” DeLay. Isn’t it time for DeLay to go to jail yet? The man’s not only scum, he has no idea what he’s talking about. And like always, he can’t help but impugn people’s patriotism. Scum is actually a mild term to describe him.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmRegardless of what the terrorists want, I want our troops fighting them over there rather than here. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Our *troops* have never fought them here, and how do you expect an Al Qaeda army to get here, life rafts? That’s one of the st*pidest comments you’ve made, and boy you’ve made lots!
And, yes, I hold that belief sincerely. Whether you think that makes me a “troll†or not is of no concern to me. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Then why are NeoCons in Cheney’s office Funding Al Qaeda-Tied groups in Iraq? What *beliefs* you hold only demonstrate your *ignorance* and *st*pidity*, and of course you don’t care what I think! If you had any self respect or brains, you’d know better, and what I *think* about you reflects poorly against your st*pidity! You can’t have any *concern* for my evaluation, otherwise you’d break down in a pile of tears, you st*pid fool.!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmFunny thing - TP is an excelllent example of “skewed” perspective and eye witness testimony. I saw the show this morning ad thought Richard Perle did an excellent job making his point. After watching the retired Rear Admiral…I was VERY glad he was retired!!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmFunny how Russert seemed to lose control of the debate in the face of such forceful advocates for American victory.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
How do we win in a civil war? Either the Shiites win or the Sunnis win.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThanks, ScrewBush, for the compliment (I guess), but are you really saying that Tim Russert’s purpose on MTP is to aid the dissemination of GOP talking points?! Or, you were just talking about DeLay and Perle? How about Tom Andrews? Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
The purpose of Sunday Talk shows is to disseminate GOP talking points. It’s why they have GOP spinners at about twice the numbers of liberals. The media is run by GOP hacks, pure and simple. And shows like this show why that’s a bad thing.
Tell me Jake, were you always this st*pid, or is it the Alzheimers like RayGun that made you st*pid?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmJakey, thanks for confirming, “regardless of what the terrorists want, I want our troops fighting them over there rather than here.”
In light of that clearly articulated philosophy, why in the world did you ask the question of goose1, “I thought the terrorists wanted the U.S. out of Iraq?” if you didn’t care about the answer?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmFunny thing - TP is an excelllent example of “skewed†perspective and eye witness testimony. Comment by valiant venus — March 18, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Funny thing - yours is an excellent (Spelling) example of “skewed” perspective of eyewitness testimony. You do know that “eyewitness” is one word - right Mizz *FAKE* attorney?
I saw the show this morning ad thought Richard Perle did an excellent job making his point. After watching the retired Rear Admiral…I was VERY glad he was retired!! Comment by valiant venus — March 18, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
That only makes the point that you’re a st*pid c*nt, it doesn’t make Perle look better - Mighty Anorexic. You were glad he retired? We’ll be glad when you NeoCons don’t run the show anymore. To find people as incompetent as you, one must generally find a homeless person.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pmThe spice must flow!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pmAs soon as the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Iraq ask us to leave, we will.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Iraqi leaders have already asked for a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops from their country.
Also, most Iraqis think US should leave Iraq.
These are the facts that are usually ignored by the “I support the troops” crowd, busy -as they are- thinking up reasons to support the American occupation of Iraq,
March 18th, 2007 at 2:40 pmBODY BY ****
thinks the creepy oozing crowd are of liars are “forceful advocates for American victory.” So manly. So heroic. As if it never matters that they’re lying and always end up being wrong.
Stop staring at their packages **** and listen to what they’re saying.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmYeah–why the hell did MTP have DeLay and Perle on the panel? Both discredited GOP has beens. Like we care about their boatloads of bs.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pm#41 KRank: I like that. The tyranny of competence…..
Given the “faith” and the double digit IQ of their target audience, I think the Rethugs can make it work: “This country must never give in to the forces of evil liberalism and their tyranny of competence.”
March 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmFunny thing - TP is an excelllent example of “skewed†perspective and eye witness testimony. I saw the show this morning ad thought Richard Perle did an excellent job making his point. After watching the retired Rear Admiral…I was VERY glad he was retired!!
Comment by valiant venus
It is a funny thing, isn’t it Hagette? But the truly funny thing is that you think it’s TP that has a skewed perspective.
Bless your heart. I know it’s hard, Haggie, but look in the mirror and you’ll find “skewed.”
March 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pmNat & Gregor Samsa:
“Cut and run” Murtha wants us to leave too — luckily he is not the ENTIRETY of the American government — once the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asks us to leave, we will. I could care less what opinion polls say.
Rocks911:
Then stop arguing with me.
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus:
If you have an actual question besides personal attacks, let me know.
KRank:
I was making fun of goose1.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmRegardless of what the terrorists want, I want our troops fighting them over there rather than here. And, yes, I hold that belief sincerely.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Ultimately, this is what it all comes down to: the 30%ers support the occupation of Iraq, even against the wishes of the government and the citizens of that country. It is imperial arrogance, nothing more.
It is all about what they want, Iraq’s sovereignty be damned, and their cries of “spreading democracy” notwithstanding.
Whether you think that makes me a “troll†or not is of no concern to me.
If you do not care what people in this blog think, why even try to debate or continue to post comments?
March 18th, 2007 at 2:56 pmonce the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asks us to leave, we will. I could care less what opinion polls say.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Did you notice I linked an article about the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asking for a timetable for withdrawal.
Funny you dismiss the opinion of the Iraqi people -Pres Bush has hailed Iraq’s sovereignty and democracy. I guess they actually have neither (as if I didn’t know already).
March 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmBottom line is
Bush, SCOOTER LIBBY the convicted felon, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, Perle, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Pointdexter, Negroponte, etc.
are TRAITORS to the USA and WAR CRIMINALS.
Illegal wars, illegal domestic spying, obstruction of justice, and outright STEALING from the coffers of the USA through
WAR PROFITEERING and TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH.
All of the PROPAANDA by Fox “news†and azz-kissing by “jakeâ€, “valiant venusâ€, is just more about Clinton’s Dikc!!
While Osama is STILL FREE 5 1/2 years later, and we are fukcd in Iraq.
God Bless America, the Democrats and the WORLD!
BURN in HELL for ETERNITY, TRAITOR Bush
March 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pmyou silver-spoon little AWOL coxucker PUNK!
“Cut and run†Murtha wants us to leave too — luckily he is not the ENTIRETY of the American government — once the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asks us to leave, we will. I could care less what opinion polls say.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
No country likes to be occupied and Iraq is now different. The Iraqis don’t want us there and they’re blowing the troops up as a result.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFunny, that Jake troll seems to say we’ll leave when the Iraqis want us to leave. Well, given the government wants us to leave, the public overwhelmingly wants us to leave and our only purpose there seems to be as shooting targets for the various factions as they prep for all out civil war, I’d say they want us to get the hell out.
But then, Jake is like Perle and DeLay; oblivious to reality when it contradicts his worldview. Sad.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pmIn #75 it should read “Iraq is no different.”
March 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThe two shortest books in the world;
March 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pm“French Military Heroes”
and
“The George W. Bush Success Story”.
Does anyone think Richard Perle and Bill Kristol will get to be the Grand Masters of the “Iraq Victory Parade” down Baghdad’s George W. Bush Blvd? I imagine this parade will start at Cheney PetroWorks and end near the Rove School of Neocon Policy.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pmIf you have an actual question besides personal attacks, let me know. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Yeah, why are you such an illiterate fool? Now, if you have something other than *hypocrisy* (you know, like calling everyone cut-and-runners), let me know. St*pid hypocritical dum bass.
Where was that *pledge* you wouldn’t name call again? Oh yeah, right there with *ALL* CON pledges. Out the window in a fury of hypocrisy! Idiot!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“Cut and run†Murtha wants us to leave too — luckily he is not the ENTIRETY of the American government — once the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asks us to leave, we will. I could care less what opinion polls say.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Yeah, you *NEVER* name call, and personally attack! You’re a psychotic moron!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“Cut and run†Murtha wants us to leave too — luckily he is not the ENTIRETY of the American government — once the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asks us to leave, we will. I could care less what opinion polls say. Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
How do we *ALL* know Jake is brain damaged? He *IGNORED* the link where the Iraqi government already *ASKED* us to leave.
Jake, you’re a big pile of steaming, lying, st*pid horse-sh*t!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmHi Jake,
How’s Osama doing, and have you seen him lately? Funny how your Administration and lapdog GOP boys have seemingly forgotten all about that silly guy who’s forces actually attacked us on our own soil. I’m sure glad we’ve diverted our troops not once but twice away from Afghanistan and the Pakistani border so we can find all those darn WMDs/al Qaeda links (1st time), or fight off a non-existent civil war (2nd time), aren’t you?
Second, why the hell would Sunnis fight us “over here”? For what rhyme or reason? There’s absolutely no credibility to such asinine talking points. Did the N. Vietnamese come and attack us after we left? How ’bout N. Koreans? The Serbs? Germans? Anyone? Have you actually examined that talking point with scrutiny before?
And finally, you should be outright embarrassed that someone who’s indicted and kicked out of Congress represents your talking points. Then again, it’s rare to see GOPers like yourself have any shame. By all means, keep trumping up their points.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmI watched it this morning and, no surprise, I agreed with Perle and DeLay more than I did the cut-and-run crowd.
Comment by Jake
Say didn’t Reagan cut and run from Beirut?
Bush sr also cut and ran from Iraq because he knew it would become a quagmire. And now you agree with a disgraced ex Senator and majority whip who doesn’t even know of these bases?
A fecking mazing. There is no end to your gullibility. I think Fecks Snooze is calling you, better run along now.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI could care less what opinion polls say
Which was why your corrupt, ignorant party lost Congress, dear Jake. You might want to reconsider listening to what the people have to say if you stand a chance in ‘08.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pmonce the Iraqi GOVERNMENT asks us to leave, we will. I could care less what opinion polls say.
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
But George W. Bush said he would never need a “permission slip” from another country in order to act militarily.
Looks like Commander in Chowder Nuts now needs a “permission slip” from the Iraqis in order to leave.
Make up your minds.
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmGood point Gregor but you missed one of the major supporters of the US occupation of Iraq.
That would be Osama Bin Laden. Every day in Iraq means more supporters for him. Every single day means the US is more marginalized as a power. It’s military , economic and strategic stregnth withering.
Every idiot cheering for this war is supporting our enemy.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pmWhy didn’t the Iraqi’s follow-us home back in 1991?
-GSD
March 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI was also pleased to hear this type of question in the broadcast: “Why shouldn’t we listen to those who were right about the war from the start instead of those who were wrong?”
I would’ve been even more pleased to see those who were wrong from the start not be given a forum on MTP to continue to spew their muck.
Andrews and Sestak were great today. Perle and Delay are so yesterday…or rather, that’s how they should be treated, if not worse.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pm“If we don’t fight them there, we will have to fight them here.”
That is enough to make me shit my pants and hide under my bed. No, I am not a coward, it just makes good sense to be afraid of supermen who can and would swim across a couple of oceans to take us on at home.
Or maybe they’ll parachute in? Cargo containers, maybe?
Anyway, please let me know when it’s safe to come out.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pmHi Jake,
How’s Osama doing, and have you seen him lately?
Comment by MisterOpus1 — March 18, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
As Bill Maher said “Bush told us Osama bin Laden ‘could run but he can’t hide’. But he ran and hid.”
March 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pmBreadcrumbs and sand look alot alike or they would have found us already.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pm7 more of your boys wont know the difference anymore, thanks to you and the ones who support this sh*t.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmTim usually shows historic footage of what his guest said before but not for Perle and Delay. They would have appeared to be discredited lunatics.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“French Military Heroesâ€
and
“The George W. Bush Success Storyâ€.
Comment by WaltTheMan
It seems that there are in France 3 streets named after Carnot, not Sadi but Lazare, the father. That tells you a lot about what´s the scientists role in the world according to governments.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:35 pmMaybe Jake and the like should read this????
http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ Intelligence_experts_al_Qaeda_in_Iraq_0318.html
“Intelligence experts: al Qaeda in Iraq ‘poses little danger’ to US”
But what do thest people know….. They only do this for a living!
March 18th, 2007 at 3:37 pmAny person that analyzes wars in terms of victory and defeat has, in my opinion, a serious sexual insatisfaction problem which is projected into the geopolitical arena.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmEvery idiot cheering for this war is supporting our enemy.
Comment by mparker — March 18, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
I agree. The invasion was a bad idea from the very beginning.
The war supporters have been proven wrong about practically every single one of their premises about Iraq, Iraqis, the occupation, etc.
Why the Epsilon-minus, war supporters of the world -like Jake, Delay, and Perle- could even think the rest of us should pay attention to their opinion anymore defies simple logic.
They were wrong. We told them so back when the White House was hyping the “Iraqi threat”. Now they’d like to pretend nobody warned them, and hope we have as short an attention span as they do.
Thinking Delay and Perle had anything meaningful to say is the ultimate self-delusion. What a sad, pathetic lot.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:41 pmThanks Gregor, for getting the thread back on track.
I can’t locate it atm, but there was a recent interview with the “real” Iraqi leadership who claimed it would take no more that two weeks to get Iraq back under control once the US forces leave. Considering that the Sunni and Shiite factions lived together quite peacefully for many generations, I have no reason to doubt that such a miracle is possible. I’m looking for the article now. Meanwhile, it is helpful to keep the reality in focus — the Iraqi civil war is entirely the result of Anglo-American subversion, starting roughly with the destruction of the Golden Mosque of Samarra.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI think the liberals on the panel could have been stronger.
Tom Delay laughed as he told Admiral Sestak that he wanted to “Surrender”. Here is a wimp, who never served a day in the military, telling an ADMIRAL from the US NAVY that he wants to surrender.
Sestak shouldn’t have taken that. Delay clearly doesn’t understand the meaning of the word surrender, as surrender means LAYING DOWN YOUR ARMS AND TURNING YOURSELF OVER to the CUSTODY OF YOUR ENEMY.
Withdrawing from a country we are occupying cannot even REMOTELY be associated with surrendering.
Of course, since Delay never served a day in the military (though to listen to the lardass talk you’d think he was George Patton), and is obviously the result of a home schooling experiment gone terribly wrong, its probable that he just doesn’t understand the meaning of the word.
Maybe Sestak should take the microphone and beat him in the face with it until he surrenders. Then I bet he’d understand the word.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI think the liberals on the panel could have been stronger.
Tom Delay laughed as he told Admiral Sestak that he wanted to “Surrender”. Here is a wimp, who never served a day in the military, telling an ADMIRAL from the US NAVY that he wants to surrender.
Sestak shouldn’t have taken that. Delay clearly doesn’t understand the meaning of the word surrender, as surrender means LAYING DOWN YOUR ARMS AND TURNING YOURSELF OVER to the CUSTODY OF YOUR ENEMY.
Withdrawing from a country we are occupying cannot even REMOTELY be associated with surrendering.
Of course, since Delay never served a day in the military (though to listen to the lardass talk you’d think he was George Patton), and is obviously the result of a home schooling experiment gone terribly wrong, its probable that he just doesn’t understand the meaning of the word.
Maybe Sestak should take the microphone and beat him in the face with it until he surrenders. Then I bet he’d understand the meaning of the word.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:49 pmBTW: did General Washington ANNOUNCE TO THE BRITISH his plans to redeploy???
March 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pmIt is sad to see two guys like Perle and Delay acting as brave men on television and accusing the Admiral of ’surrendering’, yet when their time was to serve in Viet Nam they went hiding.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS
Welcome back old friend.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI guess Bush never announced his “surge” and I guess Bush never announced he was going to attack Fallujah as well?
Announcing that your going to attack a particular point is the dumb and dangerous move Bush has often made.
Announce that your leaving and everyone takes a step back and waits.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhy didn’t the show end with somebody spraying DeLie with cockroach juice?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:03 pmNo Jake.
What General Washington did, was “HIT-N-RUN”, just like the Iraqi resistance is doing to our invading army.
Washington lost almost every single skirmish he fought with the British.
In fact, almost all of the battles ended with the Americans FLEEING the battlefield, tails between their legs, as they ran for cover to BLEND BACK INTO THE POPULATION.
Thats how we won our freedom genius.
Thats how America beat the overwhelming forces of the Crown.
By waging an embedded INSURGENCY.
By sabotoge and plunder.
England was stronger, and had a better army. But the American RESITANCE FIGHTERS refused to come out onto the battlefield to meet the british in most skirmishes, and it is hard to fight an enemy who HIDES BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN BY BLENDING INTO THE CIVILIAN POPLULATION, which is what we were doing.
Just like the Iraqi’s.
England didn’t “lose” the revolutionary war. They simply decided it was too costly to continue to funnel money and resources into the war, and decided to withdraw to England and establish trade with us instead of killing us.
Thats how we “beat” England and won our freedom.
And thats exactly how the Iraqi people are beat us, and win their freedom, to be governed, how THEY choose, not how WE choose.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pmdid General Washington ANNOUNCE TO THE BRITISH his plans to redeploy???
Comment by Jake
I didnt know US forces were fighting to liberate the US from Iraq´s imperial grip.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pmdid General Washington ANNOUNCE TO THE BRITISH his plans to redeploy???
Hmm, interesting analogy, considering it was OUR country, OUR land, and OUR rights and liberty we were rightfully fighting for against a tyrannical king. Are you somehow equating Iraq in the same breath?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:06 pmI didnt know US forces were fighting to liberate the US from Iraq´s imperial grip.
Comment by Juan C
Jake and his kind have it all figured out — in their own screwed up, insane way. :D
March 18th, 2007 at 4:08 pmEngland stated when they are going to withdraw their troops from Iraq;
before that Italy,South Korea,Spain, and Japan…they all put a scheduled
date of their departure from Iraq.
Are they all surrendering..or helping the enemy?!!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmHi Zooey.
Looks like I slipped in under the radar.
:D
March 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pmJake and his kind have it all figured out — in their own screwed up, insane way. :D
Comment by Zooey
Zoo, good afternoon.
Jake needs victories, even if it means to destroy a country, to feed his empty, pathetic life. Just read across his lines and you will find a craving desire to fill the void of personal frustrations.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pmLooks like I slipped in under the radar.
:D
Comment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS
Yay! I hope you stick around for a while — or you’re allowed to. I learn a lot from your comments.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:14 pmjake is a dog’s name.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pm(1) You do realize the absurdity of that statement, don’t you? Of course you don’t. FYI, George Washington was an “insurgent/terrorist” and the British were the Law of the Land.
(2) And Redeploy? I thought you said redeploy was just another name for “cut & run”. I don’t remember George Washington ever cutting and running…….I’ll look it up.
Does your mum know you are on the internets? Ask your mum to review your crap before you post it on the net.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pmJake needs victories, even if it means to destroy a country, to feed his empty, pathetic life. Just read across his lines and you will find a craving desire to fill the void of personal frustrations.
Comment by Juan C
Hello Juan,
Are you recovered from being Irish yesterday? :)
You’re right, I think Jake has lived long enough that he thinks he has all the answers. He forgot that he needs to keep learning — and that he and those who think like him are not the center of the universe. :P
March 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWhen Richard Perle said today that he still believes Iraq and Saddam Hussien was a quote “serious threat to the United States”, he was actually saying, “I’m a big fat coward, who is afraid of a tiny nation thousands of miles away with absolutely no Navy, no long range Air Force, a devestated dismanteled army sporting 1950’s NATO tanks and Viet Nam era weapons”
In fact, anyone who think Iraq is or was a threat to the US is a blubbering coward, and a wimp.
If they had been brave, they would have went after Bin Laden, but they’re afraid of India and Pakistan, because they have real armies, and real weapons, and real nukes.
So instead, wimps like Delay, Perle and JAKE, decided we needed to go blow the crap out of a tiny little defenseless nation who hadn’t even threatened us, just because they were Arab’s too, and therefore “LOOKED” like the 911 terrorists.
Bush, Cheney, Delay, Perle, Wolfiwitz, Rice, and every idiot who follows them, are WIMPS. COWARDS AND WIMPS, too afraid of a real fight to do anything to about 911.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:21 pmjake is a dog’s name.
Comment by jeff — March 18, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
I would never name a dog Jake. It’s an insult to dogs everywhere!!!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:21 pmjake is a dog’s name.
Comment by jeff
It was determined a couple days ago that Jake is, um…..flushable.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:26 pmLooks like I slipped in under the radar. :D
Comment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS — March 18, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
yay! me too!… so that’s what happened to you…
maybe the new management will be more respectful! … think?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:28 pmAre you recovered from being Irish yesterday? :)
Comment by Mistress Z
Ha ha. No, there arent irish traditions in Mexico. Guess they all went to NY docks.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThe Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS:
So, you are saying that Saddam would NEVER have given WMD to terrorists? I think I will trust our President more than your trusted Saddam.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pmoh, and i wanted to add…
according to your history lesson, it seems there may be hope for iraq’s fight for democracy yet… at our expense… how ironic is that?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pmHi Zooey.
Looks like I slipped in under the radar.
:D
Comment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS — March 18, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
I asked about you recently…everyone…was wondering…we missed you…welcome back!!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“Andrews and Sestak made short work of DeLay and Perle.”
BS! Those two wouldn’t even answer Perle’s main question: Perle asked how redeploying would affect the outcome in Iraq and the second twit Sestak wouldn’t answer the question. All he did was deflect and start talking about Iran and then started trying to make a lame case that Iran and Syria has the same interests as the U.S. LOL!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:34 pmDeath Toll Hits ‘Million’
Updated: 16:38, Sunday March 18, 2007
The number of deaths in Iraq since the start of the conflict could be as high as one million, according to a new estimate.
An Australian scientist published the figure using four sets of independent data, including information from the United Nations Children’s Fund and the UN’s population division, as well as medical literature.
Dr Gideon Polya’s figure is far higher than the previous biggest estimate of 655,000.
“Using the most comprehensive and authoritative literature, and UN demographic data yields an estimate of one million post-invasion excess deaths in Iraq,” he said.
A spokesman for the Stop The War Coalition said the figure was “astonishing”.
He added: “Four years after the start of the conflict in Iraq we can now see what a disaster the war has been.
“Everything that the Stop The War movement predicted would happen has taken place - but it has been far worse than we feared.”,,,
March 18th, 2007 at 4:37 pmTracy,
Naturally, the “second twit,” being a retired Navy Admiral, doesn’t know a damn thing about military issues.
Thank you for supporting the troops.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWhy would Russert even entertain having that criminal DeLay ON his show? At this juncture with these incredulous scandals breaking across the headlines why does Tim have these guys on, debating the semantics of “re-deploy” and “cut and run”? Isn’t this news item a little like day-old, white bread? Maybe I answered my own question; NBC IS a LOT like day-old, white bread. LIKE Tim, HATE NBC!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pm#31
“Just like the military calls a grocery store a commissary, so too does it use the word “redeploy†for when it is time to go.”
Before the mission is accomplished. Tell us how redeploying would held the situation in Iraq?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Everything that the Stop The War movement predicted would happen has taken place - but it has been far worse than we feared.â€,,,
Comment by Tobey Tall — March 18, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Very bad news…Except some of us predicted Iraq would be the start of WWIII. And it is…GW Botch must be tried for war crimes (in the US so that the death penalty could apply) and properly punished!!! Only then can we begin to make friends in the world again!!!!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:44 pmDEATH TOLL IN IRAQ 1 MILLION READ SKY NEWS FRONT PAGE
TIME TO IMPEACH THAT DOG OF WAR BUSH
March 18th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI think I will trust our President more than your trusted Saddam.
Comment by Jake
Leader…never…wrong. Must…obey…leader.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#40
“As for what the terrorists want, you missed the little Al Qaeda memo they retrieved when they killed Zarqawi? The one that said the *goal* of Al Qaeda was to get us into Iraq and keep us there while killing and injuring our soldiers?”
The memo you refer to is here and it isn’t about al Qaeda wanting to keep the U.S. in Iraq. Actually it the real goal of al Qaeda:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2005/ 10/ 11/ AR2005101101353.html
Can you point to where another letter states that al Qaedas goal or one of it’s goals is the keep us in Iraq?
March 18th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI guess after Russert’s sizzling testimony re/CIA-outing, NBC feels they have to suck Chimpy’s toes and bend over for a little anal probe by WH. What a big ‘ole corporate whore network NBC is! God, I hate them!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pmGregor Samsa,
That is not good enough for the trolls (should be “drools”) they want EVERY Iraqi citizen to come over here and knock on Shrimpy’s front door and ask him to get the troops out. A POLL!? Ha! They do not accept polls.
And the article you linked to states:
“But recently President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, said that foreign troops could start leaving in 2006 or 2007″
Pshaw, Puhlease, “President, President, we don’t recognize no stinkin’ President.”
March 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pmApologies to The Good, the Bad and the Ugly .
That sounds like MTP today.
Since Jake has announced that he has been happily married for 52 years, I have my dectectives hot on the other 7 years.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pm#71
Don’t bother that’s the ONLY think VVGFU does here. He’s a chihuahua that bark alot.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:54 pmDEATH TOLL IN IRAQ 1 MILLION READ SKY NEWS HERE
March 18th, 2007 at 4:55 pmTell us how redeploying would held the situation in Iraq?
Comment by Tracy
Our country commited a criminal act by invading a country that was not an imminent threat to us. This is the same standard we hold others up to.
Your argument is like a rapist looking up to the cops and saying, “How is pulling out going to help this womans situation?”
What the Iraqis do with their “situation” really isnt any of our business. And after this savage attack we perpetrated against them when they had nothing to do with 911 we really have no right to demand anything.
The people that made this happen need to shut up … pull out of the victim… and be dealt with in the courts of justice.
IF Bush had went after Osama in Pakistan and things went badly THEN they could be going on about stay the coarse and “victory”…. but they didnt… in fact Bush openly declared to not think about the Al Qeada leader very much any more as he was concentrating on this rape of Iraq. We have no righteous argument or justifiable excuse for remaining in that country even one more day. If the Iraqis want to kill themselves off then they have every right to just as we did here in the US under the leadership of Abraham Lincoln.
It is far far past time to shut these “Americans” up that made this happen. And it is far past time to pick up the ball they dropped and get about winning over all the people that could become terrorists one day on our side as friends and intelligently and deliberately making the changes neccessary to remove the advantages people like the Saudis have over us by changing our energy supply system and strangling their economies and isolating them from the world… with the world on our side.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:55 pmTracy:
Good points.
Mistress Z:
Did you see my posts above how I am grateful this particular Rear Admiral is retired?
Juan C:
I’ve never said that Bush has never been wrong. I simply trust him more than your side trusted Saddam, that’s all.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:56 pmWhy would Russert even entertain having that criminal DeLay ON his show? At this juncture with these incredulous scandals breaking across the headlines why does Tim have these guys on, debating the semantics of “re-deploy†and “cut and run� Isn’t this news item a little like day-old, white bread? Maybe I answered my own question; NBC IS a LOT like day-old, white bread. LIKE Tim, HATE NBC!
Comment by R — March 18, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
March 18th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDon’t worry, Gerald Gibson Jr ., the “rapist” will be done no later than January 20, 2009. Just lay back and enjoy.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:58 pmCan you point to where another letter states that al Qaedas goal or one of it’s goals is the keep us in Iraq?
Comment by Tracy
Commonsense says that after seeing their tactics in Afghanistan against the USSR… and knowing that they have no navy or air force that can pose a threat to the American home land… that their ONLY chance of winning any military battles against us is if we are stupid enough to do what the USSR did… and with Bush at the wheel we really are that dumb.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#128: I think it’s long past the time when redeployment would have served it’s purpose. Yes, it’s a real military term and it’s not even close to cut&run.
As to what would happen when we cut & run (that’s the only option we have boxed ourselves into), an educated guess, based on all his predictions over the past four years would say, “the exact opposite of what Richard Pearl says will happen”.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#126
I didn’t say he didn’t know about military issues. I said he did what politicians do…he deflects and starts to talk about something else.
March 18th, 2007 at 4:59 pmI watched this morning. Sestak and Andrews were brilliant.
I am guessing that Delay and Perle were there because no one in office wanted to defend the war or the escalation. At least not with a retired Vice Admiral debating the other side.
Delay showed us today how ignorant he is. The bugman is nothing more than a yellow-bellied, lying, bully. The must have extremely low standards for guests on Meet the Press.
The best Perle could do was repeat loser talking points.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWaltTheMan:
What “other 7 years”? Does this have something to do with that TV show Lost?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:01 pmDEATH TOLL IN IRAQ 1 MILLION READ SKY NEWS HERE
according to my calculations thats 4.54% of Iraq been Killed
America has bettered this in
East Timor with a 1/3–1/2 of total population….
Korea 4 million dead…..
Indonesia 1 million dead…..
Cambodia 1 million dead…..
Congo 2 million dead…..
Vietnam 1.5 million dead….
http://www.robert-fisk.com/robert_elias_25sept2001.htm
March 18th, 2007 at 5:03 pmDid you see my posts above how I am grateful this particular Rear Admiral is retired?
Comment by Jake
Yes I did, Jake. Your point?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI didn’t say he didn’t know about military issues. I said he did what politicians do…he deflects and starts to talk about something else.
Comment by Tracy
Weasel words, Tracy. You didn’t even know who he was, as proved by your reference to him as the “second twit.”
March 18th, 2007 at 5:10 pmSo, you are saying that Saddam would NEVER have given WMD to terrorists?
Comment by Jake — March 18, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Well first he’d have to have some WMD now wouldn’t he?
:|
Numbskull.
But the really pathetic reality of your bumbling uneducated neocon talking point statement, is that you, like your idiot President, just don’t know a damned thing about Iraq, their people or their politics.
If you did, you’d know Saddam was a Baathist. Baathists are an enemy to fundementalist muslims Einstein.
:|
Fundementailist muslims kill Baathists.
Baathists imprison, torture and kill fundementalist muslims.
Baathists like money, technology and secularism.
Fundementalist muslims like beards and sandals.
If you weren’t so trailer park inbred stupid, like the rest of the idiots who think like you, you’d know that, and you’d know that IF Saddam HAD gotten some WMD, then he would USE them on Al Quaida, before he’d give them to Al Quaida.
Got any other bright ideas nimrod?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:11 pmI simply trust him more than your side trusted Saddam, that’s all.
Comment by Jake
My side?? To understand my side to have to be a critic person. So please, it is really laughable your attempt to make me mad when you say I trusted Saddam. In any case, you probably must be talking about Rumsfeld “give me your hand, pal” former SoD.
March 18th, 2007 at 5:13 pm…the “rapist†will be done no later than January 20, 2009. Just lay back and enjoy.
@ 4:58 pm
ok - if anyone, anyone, ever again gives this pile of shite any kind of acknowledgement ever again, i will have no reason but to think that that person is also a misogynistic, chauvenistic, braindead, treasonous, bigotted, stoopid, unpatriotic, the list goes on idjit.
…
except for worfeus… and big papa… and…
aww… whatever…
such a lying waste of space…
March 18th, 2007 at 5:16 pm.