Gates: Pace Doesn’t Need To Apologize For Anti-Gay Remark
Gates: Pace Doesn’t Need To Apologize For Anti-Gay Remark
Yesterday on CBS’s Face the Nation, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he would not ask Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Peter Pace to apologize for calling homosexuality “immoral” and comparing it to adultery,” saying “we should just move on from this point.”
Host Bob Schieffer asked Gates, “You don’t plan to ask General Pace to do anything more than he’s already done?” Gates responded, “No,” and praised Pace as “one of the finest people I’ve ever worked with” and “a man of enormous principle and integrity.”
Gates later refused to comment on whether he believes Pace’s comment was “a slur on members of the armed forces,” and said that he was too busy to have an opinion on whether Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is an effective policy. “I’ve got quite a lot on my plate,” he said.
Watch it:
Gates may not believe that Pace’s remark was a slur, but others do, including retired Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, a gay man and the first American soldier to be seriously wounded in Iraq. Alva said in a statement about Pace:
Judging gay men and women in the military for factors unrelated to their fitness to serve undermines our military’s effectiveness. Certain leaders’ bigotry should not be a rational basis for discrimination. This kind of prejudice is going to continue to have a direct impact on our national security as we allow qualified gay men and women to lose their jobs for no good reason. This policy — and General Pace’s bigotry — is outdated, unnecessary and counter to the same American values our soldiers are giving their lives for each and every day.
Transcript:
SCHIEFFER: Another tough situation that you’re facing in your job early on is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Pace, said recently that he considered homosexual acts immoral. He later said, well, he shouldn’t have said that, but he didn’t apologize. And a lot of gay people are saying that that is a slur on thousands of people who are serving in the military right now.
I would like to ask you first, do you agree with General Pace, and should more be done on this front?
GATES: Well, as I said the other day, I think that this is an issue on which personal opinion really doesn’t have a place. We have a don’t ask, don’t tell policy that is a law. It’s inscribed in statute. My responsibility is to implement the provisions of the statute.
SCHIEFFER: And you think it’s OK as it is? You don’t plan to ask General Pace to do anything more than he’s already done?
GATES: No. I think General Pace has made pretty clear that he wished he had avoided his personal opinion.
Let me say, you know, Pete Pace is one of the finest people I’ve ever worked with. He’s a man of enormous principle and integrity and a tremendous — and of tremendous skill. I think the American people are lucky to have him as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
SCHIEFFER: But what I guess the question I asked was, do you consider that a slur on members of the armed forces, what he said?
GATES: I think I’ll leave it at the fact that I don’t think this is an issue where personal opinion has any place.
SCHIEFFER: And you don’t think he should apologize?
GATES: I think we should just move on from this point.
SCHIEFFER: And should the don’t ask, don’t tell policy — are you satisfied with that or should that policy be reviewed?
GATES: Look, I’ve got a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, challenges in Iran and North Korea and elsewhere, global war on terror, three budget bills totaling $715 billion. I think I’ve got quite a lot on my plate.
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Who would expect Gates to demand an apoligy from Pace for a comment supporting current military law/policy? It would be like asking Pelosi to apoligize for saying she agrees that Robbery is wrong.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmYou’d think this current cabal would want to put homosexuals out on the front lines and hope they were only ones to get hit.
George Will said on “This Week” something to the degree that the righties better catch up on this issue because the younger generations look at homosexuality in the same way that people look at whether your left or right handed. It just doesn’t matter.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmRawger,
Or like you apologizing for having such pretty lips!
March 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmOf course he doesn’t…
…just take his pension check…
…lobbyist card…
…and ship his moronic a*s to England…
…where he can have his queen…
March 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThe more things change the more they stay the same.
Bush Miscalculates on Gay Republicans
Jonathan Rauch, The New York Times
April 17, 2000
So, George W. Bush finally held a meeting with a dozen openly gay Republicans. Afterward, he announced that while his mind had not been changed on the issues, he was a “better person” for listening.
Glad to hear it. But the more interesting question is: Did the meeting make him a better candidate? A better potential president?
Yes, a little. Meeting with gays is certainly better than not meeting with them. And it is better if the Republican Party treats homosexuals as respectable citizens instead of pariahs.
But the meeting was also part of a larger pattern that Governor Bush set early on during the primaries, a pattern that is less heartening. His every move seems based on political calculation rather than personal belief.
From the very beginning, his often maladroit maneuvering on gay issues has looked more like triangulation than principle. Before the early primaries he forswore meeting with a gay Republican group; then, just before California, he said he would reconsider.
He had first said a year ago that he would be willing to appoint openly gay officials, then seemed to backtrack in a talk with conservatives. Last week, he said that sexual orientation “is not a factor” in naming someone to a job. He opposes adoption rights, anti-discrimination protections and hate-crimes laws for homosexuals, while also trying to sound less harsh than his similarly positioned competitors to the right.
In short, he has chosen his path with a mincing delicacy that suggests fear of being wrongfooted politically. “Gotta play this right,” he seems to be saying. The carefully choreographed meeting with homosexuals seemed just another move in the game.
Continued here…
March 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmoooooooo… the poor man has a lot on his plate… he’s got time to go on face the nation, but when his direct report, the joint chiefs chairman, takes a stand against basic human dignity, he has nothing to say… after all, HE has a WAR in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN and CHALLENGES in IRAN and NORTH KOREA… he has no time for trivial matters… true colors, mr. gates, true colors…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
March 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmOnce Again, Roger the Repuke shows what a complete idiot he is.
Pace did not state DOD policy, he stated his own personal view.
When you’re in uniform, whether you have one chevron or four stars, you are not allowed to state personal political opinions. That’s because when you’re in uniform, you’re representing the US. Any military person or any civilian with general knowledge of the military knows this.
Pace quickly backtracked when he realized he stepped in it.
Roger, go back to your trailer and bang your sister.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmLOL!! Way back in 2000, Rauch characterized Chimpy as having “mincing delicacy” LOL!!
I guess Rauch knew even back then that Chimpy is a homo.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmDaryll?
March 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmwow, you Liberals hate freedom of speech don’t you.
It is this Generals right to say what he said. Why do you Liberals always try to do professional harm to those individuals that speak their personal feelings on morality.
can anyone explain to me how it is not General Pace’s right to say that he believes homosexuality is immoral….
why do you liberals hate freedom of speech? actually, you guys only hate it when someone use it to speak against you guys.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmDo the trolls get bonuses if they’re the first ones to post on a thread here? They really seem to monitor this site and refresh constantly. Almost as if they were getting paid by the RNC to do it…
March 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSecDeffing IS hard work. Got the talk show circuit to run, equipment shortfalls to ignore, you know, a phoney baloney job to protect!
March 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmHomosexuality is offensive and should not be permitted by society. I agree with:
Genesis 19
Leviticus 18.22
Leviticus 20.13
Judges 19.22-26
Romans 1.26-27, 32
Corinthians 6.9-10 &
St. Jude 1.7
I also agree that their death should be swift!
March 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmDo the trolls get bonuses if they’re the first ones to post on a thread here?
No.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmhowsad, see my explanation to Roger.
You’re another dumbass Repuke who doesn’t have even a basic understanding of military regulations.
You’re not allowed to make political statements when you’re in uniform.
As for hating freedom of speech, it is you Repukes who have been curtailing free speech since 9-11. That is well documented.
Go back to your trailer and screw your sister, howsad.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm#7 I was in the military (11B out of Fort Lewis) so I understand this. The issue at hand however is that his personal view fits perfectly with military policy and law so he wasn’t out of line. If he spoke out against “don’t Ask, Don’t tell” however he would be out of line and could be in some trouble. Now I personally believe the military should allow openly homosexual people in our ranks, but that isn’t the issue. We are talking about a man voicing his personal view that he agrees with the military’s rules. It is childish to say he did something wrong. How could anyone interpret this as wrong to simply say that in his personal view, military rules are something he agrees with?
Go change the rule, then what he said would be wrong.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI believe that gay-bashers like Ben are an affront to God.
They should be put to death immediately.
How do you like them apples, Ben?
March 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Gates: Pace Doesn’t Need to Apologize for Anti-Gay Remark”
Of course he doesn’t need to apologize. He is entitaled to his opinion. He does not have to agree with gay behaviours - the ONLY thing he owes all people is to treat them civilly.
**Note: To Gay Activists - I don’t care, what you do - or which adults you do it with - it’s NONE of my business! PLEASE quit making your personal life MY BUSINESS -
March 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThe US Constitution guarantees us that Pace is free to express his opinion on any question asked unless the response contains ’secret information’ He is in the opinion that engaging in the filthy disgusting behavior of gay butt sex is not only a sin but in fact an abomination and a precursor to extinction.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmRoger, you’re STILL an idiot.
When Pace says homosexuality is immoral, that’s not “in line with military policy”. Military policy on gays does NOT mention morality at all. It talks about unit cohesiveness and morale and other military stuff.
What Pace said was a highly controversial political statement. That is against military law.
Roger is an obvious example of what happens when siblings procreate.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI see Valiant Uranus is joining the chorus of gay-bashing morons.
See my posts above. I am correct and you Repukes are all wrong.
Pace knew he made a mistake and he backtracked. That is all the proof you need.
Stupid Repukes. It is amazing you can tie your shoes in the morning.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmAhhh well that would be murder should you kill me.
Leviticus 20.13
“If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination: let them be put to death. Their blood be upon them.”
In that case I pray their death is swift. Here I don’t want to see them tortured or caused to suffer in any way!
March 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pm19 Ben, Killing innocent people in a War is a sin too! How come you aren’t complaining about that?
March 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmwow… pace said all that?
can you say “transferance”?
and aphro thinks it’s all the gays fault that they have to defend their civil rights… huh…
March 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBen, you’re selectively quoting Leviticus. It also prescribes the death penalty for a LOT of things. Including eating shrimp or a cheeseburger.
Mosaic law is very similar to Sharia law, they are both brutal and outdated.
It is intellectually dishonest to selectively quote the Bible to push your gay-bashing agenda. But then you Repukes are generally dishonest, anyway.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI wouldn’t expect Pace to apologize for stating his honest opinion. What I do expect is that Pace’s personal opinion about homosexuality would be irrelevant regarding public policy. The military is under civilian control, and the general is subject to that control, whether he agrees or disagrees with the laws passed by civilians. His personal opinion should be inconsequential.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmSimple question for all those that are upset that Pace voiced his personal opinion.
Would you be just as outraged if Pace had said “In my opinion, DADT should be lifted and gays should be allowed to serve openly”?
I doubt any of you will answer this question…
March 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmOnly fundies get their panties in a bunch about all of this.
Being Gay Is Just as Healthy as Being Straight: Evelyn Hooker’s pioneering research debunked the popular myth that homosexuals are inherently less mentally healthy than heterosexuals, leading to significant changes in how psychology views and treats people who are gay. Continued here…
March 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmNote to Tom3 - Why do gay people feel this overwhelming need for a “Stamp of Approval”?? Why should you care what I think about your sex life? (FYI - I don’t care what YOU think on the topic of sexual preferences…) TMI!
March 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#20 Your right, morality is not a covered topic when it comes to homosexual acts in the military which is exactly why he is free to speak his mind on this subject since it does not speak against or for a current military policy. Furthermore, the forum from which he spoke his mind meant he was free. Lastly, free speech rights are supposed to be the realm of the Dems right? I would think that the repugs would be the folks demanding someone keep their mouth shut. I thought the Dems were the party for free speech even when that speech is against the majority view, the legal view, etc.? Is free speech only ok if you agree now? I don’t agree with Pace and yet think it was perfectly ok and within his rights to say.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI see Valiant Uranus is joining the chorus of gay-bashing morons.
Comment by Tom3
Please note, Tom 3, valiant venus & ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus are two different people.
valiant venus = sad little rightwing liar who likes to post patronizing idiocy, and used to masquerade as Mighty Aphr*dite, a high paid attorney.
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus = her personal “troll” who attemtps to set her straight, or at least make her look like the idiot she is.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pm**Note: To Gay Activists - I don’t care, what you do - or which adults you do it with - it’s NONE of my business! PLEASE quit making your personal life MY BUSINESS -
Comment by valiant venus
Hey Hagette, please spare us your dramatics.
Do tell us another funny story about your imaginary dead baby.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pm#24 - “….and aphro thinks it’s all the gays fault that they have to defend their civil rights… huh…” Comment by katy
Talk about putting words in someones’ mouth - iiick! I will type slowly for you, for you Katy - whether or not someone is gay is NONE OF MY BUSINESS - I shouldn’t know, do not care, and will not ask about who you choose to have sex with……why do you feel this strange urge to tell me?
March 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWould you be just as outraged if Pace had said “In my opinion, DADT should be lifted and gays should be allowed to serve openly�
I doubt any of you will answer this question…
Comment by hacker bob
Why would I be outraged about that?
March 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmI know Zooey, I was referring to the original Repuke troll.
It is weird how these Repukes just don’t get it. This is a simple cut-and-dried matter of military regulations.
Pace understood it. That is why he backed off his original statement right away. He knew he had stepped in it.
And Ben, well he is a nut case. He supports murdering 10% of the US population because he doesn’t like their sex life. What a psycho.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmTalk about putting words in someones’ mouth - iiick! I will type slowly for you, for you Katy - whether or not someone is gay is NONE OF MY BUSINESS - I shouldn’t know, do not care, and will not ask about who you choose to have sex with……why do you feel this strange urge to tell me?
Comment by valiant venus
Bless your heart, you just can’t help but puke all over your party dress. If it’s none of your business, Haggie, why are you even reading this thread? We wouldn’t want to upset your delicate sensibilities, so just go ahead and run along.
Have a cookie.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination
Comment by BenGay? — March 19, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Ahhh, but if we were to take this passage literally, it would be okay to sit, or even stand with a man as with a woman, right?
It’s not all about missionary, ya know!
PS, am I going to hell? I had shrimp cocktails last friday. Oh, and my wife is once divorced. So, I ask again…am I going to hell?
March 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmTake your time in not responding
This message board just proves one thing - that Chimpy has succeeded in dividing our society to the point where I feel like we are on the brink of civil war. Hell, we already call it “culture wars”.
This was not a huge issue dividing the country until Chimpy made it one, and he bashed gays just to get re-elected.
Chimpy really does have a mincing delicacy about him. That’s because he is a closet case, like all of his cronies. They all get Jeffy Lubed at Bohemian Grove every year.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“**Note: To Gay Activists - I don’t care, what you do - or which adults you do it with - it’s NONE of my business! PLEASE quit making your personal life MY BUSINESS -
Comment by valiant venus”
Then give us the same rights you have and we’ll shut up. As long as everyone else is gonna make my personal life a political football, IT’S GONNA BE YOUR AND EVERYONE ELSE’S BUSINESS.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWould you be just as outraged if Pace had said “In my opinion, DADT should be lifted and gays should be allowed to serve openly�
I doubt any of you will answer this question…
Comment by hacker bob
I can’t honestly say I’d be outraged, but I can say that if Pace only said your hypothetical quote that I would not see that as sufficent. If Pace is going to comment at all, his comments should be based on the direct impact on the military’s performance, both from the individual and from the group perspective. His purely personal opinion on military matters is not appropriate given his position.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWhy would I be outraged about that?
Comment by Zooey — March 19, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Because it shows that it is not a matter of Pace voicing his personal opinion, but a matter of his opinion being different than yours. Selective outrage is the term.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pmAnd Ben, well he is a nut case. He supports murdering 10% of the US population because he doesn’t like their sex life. What a psycho.
Comment by Tom3
Ok, just wanted to make sure.
Ben is a sick f*ck, but he’s a sick f*ck with the light of day shining on him.
He sure is focused on the butt sex….
March 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmTom3,
Show me the regulation that states that military members can not voice a personal opinion in uniform.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pmPS, am I going to hell? I had shrimp cocktails last friday. Oh, and my wife is once divorced. So, I ask again…am I going to hell?
Take your time in not responding
Comment by DRxJ
Hi DRxJ! How’s it going?
Well, I thought I might be going to hell, but I didn’t know it might because I’m divorced. I don’t intend to marry again or have more children, so am I supposed to never have sex again?
So confusing…. :P
March 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmCherry picking the Bible. Bad fundy! Shame on you!
Assuming there is a God - why would he care about such things? People make him sound more perverted than pious. If they’re going to talk sin - straights are not exactly free from it. Something about logs and eyes comes to mind here. Why on earth would God find the sight of two people showing love for each other unacceptable? Ok so they’re not married, but that’s not their fault is it?
I can only imagine what all this might look like to God. He’s probably LHHAO at all the petty silliness and unbridled arrogance. On the other hand, if Proverbs 6:16-19 is any indication - he will not be very pleased at all. Silly Christians, did they somehow forget that God hates things like lying and hypocrisy? According to the laws written in the Bible, those are very, very serious violations. How will the Party of Moral Values explain that one to God? I don’t think “accidentally on purpose” is a very good defense in the eyes of the Lord. However, I’m not religious so you might want to check with someone who is.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — March 19, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Again, all the outrage about him voicing his opinion is bull. It is that fact that he has a different opinion that angers people.
In short, he is allowed to voice his opinion when you agree with it. Otherwise he is wrong.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmNo doubt infamous homophobe Fred Phelps and the whole inbred Westboro Baptist Church will make use of Pace’s comments when picketing the funerals of those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan
March 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmNote to Tom3 - Why do gay people feel this overwhelming need for a “Stamp of Approval�? Why should you care what I think about your sex life? (FYI - I don’t care what YOU think on the topic of sexual preferences…) TMI!
Comment by valiant venus
Note to V2 - Why do neocon bigots feel this overwhelming need to “Stamp” on individual rights? Why do you make a person’s sexual life a basis for public policy? (FYI - I don’t care what YOU think on the topic of sexual preferences, but I do care that you USE that opinion to actively oppress or support others who oppress people who happen to be different from you.)
March 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmTom3 & goose1,
March 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmHere is food for thought. Men have sex with women to make children if needed because it feels good. Homosexuality is offensive on several levels. Those engaging in it constantly attempt to reverse the facts. I do not eat shell fish since those creatures are made to clean waste from the water. I do not have sex with my wife when she is having her period. I do not eat pork, etc. Sodomy is not sex nor is it permitted in my religion. Males have their place in the chain of life as do women. So, while it sounds harsh war is acceptable in the bible and also to me. In the real world these faggots will get fragged during action or rendered into a paste.
Because it shows that it is not a matter of Pace voicing his personal opinion, but a matter of his opinion being different than yours. Selective outrage is the term.
Comment by hacker bob
Pace can vioce whatever opinion he wants, I don’t care. But he should also be prepared for any criticism levelled at him for that opinion. I would say that about anyone, including myself.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmwhy do you feel this strange urge to tell me?
Comment by mighty valiant aphroditic anorexic venus — March 19, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
I dunno. Why do you feel the need to fantasize about being a succesful lawyer, who has spawned many children, one of which died but another was able to make a political joke bashing Democrats about said death?
March 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmSeriously, try eating well balanced, nutritional meals without puking them back up. Your brain will thank you!
hacker bob
This is not about Pace’s right to voice his opinion. It’s about whether or not he was right to do so. He showed poor judgment in doing so, not the least reason is that if the policy changes he is now on record opposing gays actively serving.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmShow me the regulation that states that military members can not voice a personal opinion in uniform.
Comment by hacker bob
Sorry to jump in here, but I feel the need to make a point. I know, who cares?
Anyway, I don’t know about regulations, Robert, but just for giggles and grins, would you tell us your true personal feelings about Pres Bush, this administration, and it’s policies?
March 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pm#50 - DRxJ
Nice one. :D
March 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHey Zooey! Et al!
Sorry for these sporadic posts and runs. Can’t predict my peak business times yet, so I post when I can.
By the way, where’s Saint Twosecond Daryll? It ain’t the same here without our closeted, Christian, manlover to discuss butt sex!
March 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWell, I thought I might be going to hell, but I didn’t know it might because I’m divorced. I don’t intend to marry again or have more children, so am I supposed to never have sex again?
So confusing…. :P
Comment by Zooey
That’s a very good question, Zooey. First of all, please answer the following:
Did you vote for George W Bush as often as possible?
Do you hate dirty fking hippies?
Do you loudly proclaim to be a Christian? (don’t worry about the reading the Bible part, or the following the teachings of Jesus part, just yes or no)
Do you believe that John Ashcroft is the second coming of our Savior?
If the answer to most or all of these questions is yes, you can freely have all the sex you want. Just don’t forget to apologize if you get caught.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pm[…] best not to be a woman in the u.s. military. and whatever you do, don’t get caught being gay in the u.s. […]
March 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmAgain, all the outrage about him voicing his opinion is bull. It is that fact that he has a different opinion that angers people. Comment by hacker bob
In your opinion.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmAnd, thus, is your outrage at our outrage because we have a different opinion than you?
In short, he is allowed to voice his opinion when you agree with it. Otherwise he is wrong.
In short, his opinion is nothing new. This fight has been going on for over thirty years. Enough already!
March 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmWhat does Pace have to say about Jeff Gannon getting a press pass at White House briefings? Is an open & active gay in the WH Press Corps different than being in the military? How?
HEY TROLLS!
Are you paid by the word?
I bet you are, Rove is way too cheap to pay you any other way.
Good thing for him you all have a limited vocabulary.
Now, how many of you knew Jeff Gannon was brought in by Rove?
March 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmChew on that for a moment, KKKarl did.
#55 - gummitch
No no no no!
I wanted to BE a hippy when I was a kid.
No way.
God no.
Ah hell, I’ll gladly go to hell. And I won’t say sorry! :D
March 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmAnyway, I don’t know about regulations, Robert, but just for giggles and grins, would you tell us your true personal feelings about Pres Bush, this administration, and it’s policies?
Comment by Zooey — March 19, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Ok, Since you asked my opinion.
I am not happy with the current administration. I am a far cry from calling Bush the worst President ever, but I agree that he is not doing to well in that department. I also disagree with many of the policies of the current administration. I am against DADT, for instance.
Did that answer your question? I know where you are going with this. BTW, I am at the office:)
March 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmNote to Tom3 - Why do gay people feel this overwhelming need for a “Stamp of Approval�? Why should you care what I think about your sex life? (FYI - I don’t care what YOU think on the topic of sexual preferences…) TMI!
Comment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Good for you!
And why even point out the trifling hypocrisy implicit in requiring the same social responsibilities-taxes-from a group unable, legally, to enjoy the same social rights-marriage-that homosexuals and lesbians are currently barred from exercising?
But you keep “fighting the power” there Lil’ trooper, you just so completely ROCK!!!!!
March 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — March 19, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Actually, I am not outraged and by no means do I think you should be kept from voicing your opinion.
I just see how selectivly you outrage runs.
Would you be outraged by someone saying this:
“Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman.â€
March 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmComment by hacker bob — March 19, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Surely the difference is that none of us are calling Pace immoral. How about this - the Christian faith is immoral as it encourages the suppression of womens rights and is a divisive element in civil society. This faith has led good people to murder innocents for no other reason than their religious belief. Hence it is immoral.
Is that OK for me to say? Of course it isn’t. Pace must learn to grow up and move into a world of balance and acceptance of other people’s world view.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pm[Gates later refused to comment on whether he believes Pace’s comment was “a slur on members of the armed forces,â€]
Gates equated the ’slur’ comment as relating to the don’t ask, don’t tell policy. The only thing I can be sure of is that the comment has no bearing on the policy. It is unclear without greater context whether the question concerning a homosexual orientation or soldiers that sleep with other soldiers wives. That was the two parts to the Pace comment. And, as far as I can see, both parts are a slur on the armed forces.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm“This message board just proves one thing - that Chimpy has succeeded in dividing our society to the point where I feel like we are on the brink of civil war. ” Comment by Tom3
Tell you what - let’s consider having a cicil Civil War. All liberals wishing to live in Blue State Nirvana can move to Blue States and Red Staters can do the same. You can have as many entitlement programs and taxes as you wish!! You can let gay people get married, provide universal health care and legalize drugs! You can abolish a military and spend the Peace Dividend!! (Not having anything to protest….we’ll allow you to picket our border as long as you stay on your side.)
Red Staters can make their laws and we will be polite but estranged neighbours…
March 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmBy the way, where’s Saint Twosecond Daryll? It ain’t the same here without our closeted, Christian, manlover to discuss butt sex!
Comment by DRxJ
My dearest hope is that he’s at home having a tumble in the sack with his new little wife.
Very little confidence in that hope…..
March 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pm“Then give us the same rights you have and we’ll shut up. As long as everyone else is gonna make my personal life a political football, IT’S GONNA BE YOUR AND EVERYONE ELSE’S BUSINESS.” Comment by designer
You have the SAME rights - the fact you choose not to exercise those options is not my fault, problem or business.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmDid that answer your question? I know where you are going with this. BTW, I am at the office:)
Comment by hacker bob
When you first starting commenting here, Robert, you would never say something like that, much less from the office.
What has changed?
March 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmComment by UKBristolDave — March 19, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Actually, Dave, it is ok for you to say that. You are allowed to hold your views, if you feel that way. You are even allowed to voice you opinion.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmAlso Ben, what do you think about scripture that demands a raped woman having to marry her rapist? This is not about free speech, you featherheads. It’s about not understanding science and choice. Mankind will never even get a glimpse of enlightenment with so many obscurants typing on this site alone….
March 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pm“Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman.â€
Comment by hacker bob
Personally, I would say that it’s time that changed. Just because we’ve always done something a certain way, doesn’t make it right.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmRed Staters can make their laws and we will be polite but estranged neighbours…
Comment by valiant venus
Hagfish,
If you keep smoking that pot, you’re gonna get the munchies, and wouldn’t that be disastrous? You’ll be up all night getting rid of it….
March 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmThere are several related topic here:
1) Gates: thinks Pace should not have mentioned his personal opinion but sees it for what it is and that happens to be Pace’s opinion and true in every and all ways. Gates sees no need for an apology since stating that you think faggots are immoral since they engage in consensual butt sex is not a crime or wrong or not true for Pace.
2) Pace: Pace in summery said that faggots go against his moral upbringing. Those that want to talk about the morality of war in relation to the exclusion of faggots have a problem. You say war is immoral but faggotry is not yet those same faggots will go to war and kill.
3) Religion: No religion condones faggotry.
4) Majority: Most people when asked about their views about faggots disapprove of it.
5) Defining a New Low: Should the population allow slim minorities to cross the line of acceptability then society will cease to function and we will wind up in anarchy.
6) Extinction: If we all became faggots within a short time all humanity will go extinct.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWhat has changed?
Comment by Zooey — March 19, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
I was re-educated on the regulation (Art. 88). Contemptuous statements towards officials only applies to commissioned officers.
BTW, care to guess who made that statement in post #62
March 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmNo, I don’t think we should move on until HIS position is clarified on this matter. Public servants are not duly authorized to share hate rhetoric with the people they serve. For him to say that he has too much on his plate at this time to devote any time to the matter is a cop-out.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pm#74 - hacker bob
Hillary Rodham Clinton
You’re preaching to the choir, Robert.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pm#73 - Ben
Please crawl under your dripping bed until all this blows over.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmYou’ll be safe from the homos there.
I promise.
#75…
I think criminals are criminals is like I think that faggots are faggots is like faggots are immoral…
He did not say, “Give me an granade launcher and I will show you a faggot carpet!” That would be hate rhetoric. If he said that though I would agree!
March 19th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWould you be outraged by someone saying this:
“Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman.â€
Comment by hacker bob
It doesn’t outrage me, except that whoever wrote it was deprived of an education. Because it’s historically and anthropologically WRONG.
As usual, people cherry-picking the Bible manage to miss all the references to polygyny. If God was so crazy about David, why didn’t he smack him around for having eight wives?
You can make essentially the same argument, historically, morally and religiously, for the practice of slavery. It’s condoned in the Bible and it has been the historical norm throughout recorded history. Fortunately, human culture does evolve.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by Zooey — March 19, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
You win a cookie! You parties next candidate for President.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by hacker bob — March 19, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
But the problem is that those opinions aren’t based on any factual evidence are they? I could sit here and say that all the problems in the world are because of the US. It’s an opinion but it isn’t valid is it? A person much wiser than me said “tolerance is a virtue, but tolerance coupled with passivity is a vice”. Pace can say what he likes but don’t expect me to sit back and let his bigotry ride free.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pmComment by gummitch — March 19, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Read Zooey’s answer. That was said by Hillary Clinton.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmPace needs a life-changing event… like having life-saving surgery and then finding out his anesthesiologist is gay… that’ll show him! probably not…
March 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Here’s a clue shit for brains - in this country we obey the laws of of the constitution and laws of the states we live in. If you think the laws of your bible preempt the laws of this country take it to the supreme court.
You trolls think you have everything figured out then work your biblical laws up to the Supreme Court. Go ahead, its stacked in your favor anyhow.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pmGATES: Look, I’ve got a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, challenges in Iran and North Korea and elsewhere, global war on terror, three budget bills totaling $715 billion. I think I’ve got quite a lot on my plate.
Yeah why should he care about the slandering of a group of the troops. No need to care about morale while there are two wars going on.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pmYou win a cookie! You parties next candidate for President.
Comment by hacker bob
I say to you, with a smile on my face, “Bite me.” :)
March 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmComment by gummitch — March 19, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Read Zooey’s answer. That was said by Hillary Clinton.
Comment by hacker bob
And so? That doesn’t make it any more correct, nor am I terribly surprised.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI don’t quite get the hatred toward homosexuals. I had a pint earlier on with Big Matt and his partner Chris. Hell, I live in a small town in the Cotswolds (never known for being that progressive) but as soon as a few guys starting coming out everyone fell into the “hey, they’re still the same blokes we used to drink with before they came out so what’s the problem?”
So why has Pace got this problem with homosexuals? Why has anyone got a problem with homosexuals? Please explain it to me.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by BenGay(?) — March 19, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
If you read Ben’s post #73, and substitute his faggot with the n word, you’ll see how much of a bigot Ben really is, aka skinhead circa late 19th century to late 20the century.
and voila, BenGay(?)! You’re this century’s KKK
(pssst, don’t hide under the bed like Zooey suggested. That’s how them thar gays will getcha!!!)
March 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmComment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Why so bitter venereal venom. Even if all the men were straight you still wouldn’t get lucky.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pm“Note to V2 - Why do neocon bigots feel this overwhelming need to “Stamp†on individual rights?”Why aren’t I surprised - you have the question back a$$wards. Ask all your gay friends and family members why it is so important to them that everyone is convinced gay behaviour is JUST fine!
Like most decerning people, I make a decision about “good” and “bad” behaviours. If I do NOT know a person engages in unnatural or abnormal behaviour, I won’t care. I won’t make a judgement. Perhaps you, not wanting to be called (gasp!) “judgemental” are incapable of making moral judgements. That’s your choice and your problem.
“Why do you make a person’s sexual life a basis for public policy?”If I don’t know about a person’s sex life why would it be a basis of policy. (Are you starting to see a pattern - If I don’t know - why do you NEED to tell me?
(FYI - I don’t care what YOU think on the topic of sexual preferences, but I do care that you USE that opinion to actively oppress or support others who oppress people who happen to be different from you.)
AGAIN (for the third time) stop telling me how “normal” abnormal behaviour is.
You are free to do what you want - but the compulsion liberals have to share the permost personal aspects of their lives is a little twisted. Put away the raincoat. You guys remind me of a group of “flashers” - if all you do is flash each other in room full of mirror - I DON’T CARE. But re-write societal family rules - I’ll have to disagree.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pmLOL Faggots suck!
March 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIf you read Ben’s post #73, and substitute his faggot with the n word, you’ll see how much of a bigot Ben really is, aka skinhead circa late 19th century to late 20the century.
Comment by DRxJ
I truly believe that the main meaning of Conservative is a group of people that conserve hatred through generations on any selected group of people of any specific time. Blacks, immigrants(Irish, Italian, German, Japanese, Mexican,etc.), homosexuals, women, etc.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:02 pm#78- What in the hell are you talking about? “You’re a piece of white trash you MFing queer”, would be hate rhetoric. By contrast, “Oh, you’re gay?” is politically correct. By the way, I AM gay and resent your stupidity and base ignorance. But then, I’m considering the source. Your mama didn’t do so good.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm“And why even point out the trifling hypocrisy implicit in requiring the same social responsibilities-taxes-from a group unable, legally, to enjoy the same social rights-marriage-that homosexuals and lesbians are currently barred from exercising?” Comment by King Cranky
Ahhhh…. so which is it…the “entitlement grab bag” or the hearts and flowers? Tell you what - gay people have been marrying their “beards” forever…..Other social rights can be achieved with a will, joint tenancy proper beneficiary notices. Stop whining, Queen Cranky….
March 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Grow up son.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmLOL Faggots suck!
Comment by Ben
So does your sister/wife/mom but she can serve.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pm#90
March 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pmThose that are Jews or Christians know that God considers faggots to be an abomination! No religion based on the Bible, Torah or Koran permit homosexuality. In several countries punishments for this offence can include death. Faggots claim that they were born this way. Oh well.
#78’s response was intended for Ben, not Zooey. Numbers changed- sorry.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“Pace must learn to grow up and move into a world of balance and acceptance of other people’s world view.” Comment by UKBristolDave
Tell you what, Dave. I think we can settle this problem once and for all when you move into the world of normalcy and accept other people’s world view.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pmso, aphro - it’s ok with you that my lifetime lover and partner is a woman, as long as we don’t “tell” you about it…
but you DO have a problem with my wanting to leave my lover/partner my house and belongings and investments when i die…
and you have a problem with my wanting to appoint my lover/partner as guardian of my/our children, or power of attorney with regard to my health care and finances…
why… that’s mighty white of you…
March 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pm.
Pace called gay people immoral. If I was a gay soldier and I heard a general say this about me, I would out myself and leave the army. Why would any gay soldier want to serve under anyone who thinks they are immoral?
March 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pmben acts like he’s a 4-year-old who just learned to use the f-word…
March 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmBen - According to Bruce Bagemihl (author of Biological Exuberance), homosexuality has been documented in more than 450 species of mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, and other animals worldwide. It makes no sense whatsoever to think that we are somehow different from those in the animal kingdom. Did it ever occur to you that same-sex coupling might be an important PART of his plan? Think about it - what better way to control the population and at the same time advance his philosophical concept of love.
What The Bible Says About Homosexuality
When Christ was Gay
March 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmDRxJ,
March 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmFaggots will burn just as will black faggots burn. Since my wife and I are black you’re comment sort of misses the target? More then that I have faith in God. You can burn with all of the faggots.
#102 I agree with you that we should accept other people’s views. Since you are asking that others accept your views, are you willing to return the favor? Or are you simply stating that we should accept other people’s views if you agree with them? I personally think the military should change so I am guessing you will accept that view. Now since I actually agree with you and feel we should accept other people’s views, will you join me in accepting Pace’s right to free speech? I mean, if you are promoting more acceptance, I am assuming you will back Pace and his right to have a viewpoint otherwise you look like a hypocrit.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
No problem. So I have to accept that my friends are immoral right? That the man that I have grown up with is not to be respected because he has sexual relations with another man
Yes Valiant, you are right. I need to sort myself out. Sod Big Matts character. He does anything for anyone, nursed a friend through heroin addiction until he was clean and was able to get on with his life. He helped me through a depression. He sheltered a friend of mine when she was getting beaten by her husband.
However, he likes men. Hence he is wrong.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pmIn short, he is allowed to voice his opinion when you agree with it. Otherwise he is wrong.
Comment by hacker bob — March 19, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Perhaps that fact that he is voicing it on a progressive site indicates he is just looking for a fight. Democrats, progressives, liberals whatever you call us tend to stay out of other peoples bedrooms. So why come here and talk about all that silly fundamentalist shit you hicks believe from your version of the bible taught to you by some theologically challenged and untraind preacher.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThere’s plenty of people just as small minded who want to hear this shit but we don’t here.
You trolls should all joing together and form your own blog. And when we want to kill some brain cells we’ll come find you.
Now since I actually agree with you and feel we should accept other people’s views, will you join me in accepting Pace’s right to free speech?
Comment by Roger_Roger
How many times????
It’s not about his right to free speech. He can say that he can control the brightnees of the moon for all I care. It’s about his position of responsibility and his conduct in that position. He openly slanders and vilifies a portion of his troops while we are in two wars. Do you not think that can affect morale? His compentency to act as a leader of men is in question.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#104 While we are on about it…
March 19th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhat about faggot Scout masters? The Scouts decided that they would respect the parents and exclude the faggots.
Hey ben is trying to out jake Jake.
Ben, fyi, there’s no prize for being the most ignorant troll around here.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI don’t know if forcing an apology would do any good. It seems to me that I’d rather have no apology than an insincere apology. Otherwise it’s just a patronizing slap in the face.
Which pretty much sums up most of the rhetoric spewed forth to the public from this administration.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“so, aphro - it’s ok with you that my lifetime lover and partner is a woman, as long as we don’t “tell†you about it…”
It’s OK w/ me….If you’re both adults…remember it’s NONE of MY business what you do in YOUR personal lives.
“but you DO have a problem with my wanting to leave my lover/partner my house and belongings and investments when i die…and you have a problem with my wanting to appoint my lover/partner as guardian of my/our children, or power of attorney with regard to my health care and finances…”
Is your IQ LESS than 10? Read more slowly if you are easily confused. I could care less who you leave your real and personal property to your, who you appoint as guardian of your children, or who you give power of attorney.
why… that’s mighty white of you…
March 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Hell, I didn’t really finish off #109 properly did I? The reason I won’t accept that world view is because it is based on nothing but prejudice. What evidence do you have that homosexuals are immoral? Do you have anything at all apart from being afraid from people different from you?
As I say, grow up son. It’s easy to have lazy prejudice but anyone who looks at evidence moves on from that. Go on, give it a try. Learn something.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:26 pmUKDAVE - Your friend sound like a saint among men - but, again why do you even know or care about who he has sex with? What business is it of yours or mine? (Hint: It’s NONE of our business…)
March 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
yay, calling someone a “faggot” proves how objective you are. Nice one for making it that easy to dismiss you as some sort of dribbling idiot.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmagain why do you even know or care about who he has sex with? What business is it of yours or mine? (Hint: It’s NONE of our business…)
Comment by valiant venus
Asks a woman who probably lives with 20 cats and has not had human contact aside from blogs in the past 5 years.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pm#106 Bruce Bagemihl observed animals like monkeys. Monkeys that toss their excrement about. Monkeys that have sex with their fathers and mothers. Yes animals practice incest too. Humans on the other hand are not animals at all. We are made in the image of God. Some humans decided that playing with excrement is fun just like the monkeys. The family cat pooped in the kid’s room to show them his love. Faggots who decide to blab to unit members about how nice and warm that man butt is may have problems during grenade practice or on point doing a house clearing. Most guys I know in the service and out don’t hide the fact that they see these faggots as nothing but offensive.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:35 pmComment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Of course it isn’t. However, I get the right hump when some idiot says that because he has sex with men he’s immoral.
Big Matt is a pure diamond. I’d be surprised if Pace could even hold a candle to the man. Big Matt would never slate Pace. However, Pace seems to think he has the right to slate Big Matt. Why?
March 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pm73. Personally, I would say that it’s time that changed. Just because we’ve always done something a certain way, doesn’t make it right.
Comment by Zooey — March 19, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Hey Z
Hacker_bob
March 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYes, Gallileo was imprisoned for saying that the Earth revolved around the Sun. But isn’t civilizations responsiblity to evolve along with knowledge we attain. Or do you think advancements are made by maintaining the status quo?
#116 - Progressives have chosen relative moralism - they get to choose what they
deem to be moral and immoral. Remember - feelings are not facts. I have heard a biologist comment on the number of species who have a small percentage of same sex behaviour - they thought it was for population control of the species.
Remember, A group of homosexual child molesters believes their behaviour is moral - I know several gay people who have prosecuted NAMBLA freaks. They “feel” they are morally correct - the FACT is - they are wrong.
Pssst…Dave your “anything goes” morality is lazy - THAT requires NO thinking what-so-ever - - just ask your heroin addicted friend…..
March 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmValiant venus,
March 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmGrow up. People talk about sex all the time. It is on the TV, sells cars, on your radio, sex is everywhere! There are classes you can take to learn more about it and paid professionals to talk to about it. People talk to their friends about it and their partners. At restaurants, on cell phones, anywhere you go, people talk about sex. It permeates our lives. You need to STFU about gay people not being able to express themselves just like everybody else in this frickin world! No, you need to just STFU!
Goood thing BIG Matt can join the UK military - we appreciate your open mind, open doors and open hearts….
March 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#118 Faggots earned that name long ago and it is in fact the name that faggots use as well. Fag, faggot etc are the same as the more explicit butt banger boys or pooftas or boyzzz or queers. We can’t possibly talk about faggots w/ out mentioning faggots. Homosexual presumes that the thing fags do is actually sex!
March 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmBen is angry because he thought his wife gave the best blow jobs in town.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:43 pmHe just found out she gives them to everybody in town. Except the lesbians but she keeps them happy too.
I think we can settle this problem once and for all when you move into the world of normalcy and accept other people’s world view.
Comment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Hey trailer trash - if your world is normal most of us will pass. Isn’t it time for you to throw up your dinner now.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:46 pmperhaps you could apologize by firing the jerk, and then doing the same yourself. miserable human garbage. You will kill anyone, but you don’t like who gets to do it? we are a seriously twisted country
March 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Yeah, you are pure comedy.
Please don’t take the piss valiant. The US is already in the shit in the UK at the moment due to the Matty Hull incident.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pmBen found a computer because no one in RL will talk to him, he is such a fuitcake loser. I bet he even has a hard time getting people to talk to him at church. Thus the negative attention he brings to himself here helps to remind him that he is alive…..
March 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Not over here. I can walk up to a bloke in the street and ask for a fag. It means a cigarette. Of course, calling someone a faggot means you’re trying to insult them, regardless of their sexual orientation.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmHowever, he likes men. Hence he is wrong.
Comment by UKBristolDave — March 19, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
And it is obvious what kind, generous people Ben and Valiant Venus are. And they believe they are going to heaven.
If heaven is to be so crowded with the hypocritical evil bastards, I’ll pass.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmHey VV,
Could some possibly come out because they grow tired of living a lie?
You know about living a lie - don’t you, MA.
Well sooner or later it will creep up in there and get the best of ya.
Not that there is a “best of ya” in your case - as far as I can tell.
You’re pretty much packed with sh*t, through and through.
You gangly little sideshow freak…
March 19th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by shane — March 19, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
At least in Hell we’re going to get the best music. What’s heaven going to have? Cliff Richard?
March 19th, 2007 at 5:52 pm#125
March 19th, 2007 at 5:55 pmResort to anger in the face of truth unbalances you. Talking about sex between my wife and I will not happen. I’m not one to anger since I am protected by clean living. Faggots do not practice anything like a lifestyle. What they do can only be considered as a death style.
Sorry not #125 instead #126
March 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
I assume that you are suggesting that homosexual relationships are very wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated? Am I making the correct assumption?
March 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pm#136 What gave you that idea?
March 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Oh, I don’t know how I came to that conclusion.
So, what should be done with homosexuals then?
March 19th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAt least in Hell we’re going to get the best music. What’s heaven going to have? Cliff Richard?
Comment by UKBristolDave — March 19, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Better music and a better class of people.
March 19th, 2007 at 6:11 pmResort to anger in the face of truth unbalances you. Talking about sex between my wife and I will not happen. I’m not one to anger since I am protected by clean living. Faggots do not practice anything like a lifestyle. What they do can only be considered as a death style.
Comment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Read your posts and then call me unbalanced. That’s pretty good. I’m sure regarding sex between you and your wife there is NOTHING to talk about. As a woman I can tell you that we like intelligence and a sense of humor. You are seriosly operating in the red on those two fronts.
March 19th, 2007 at 6:15 pmBut who really care ignoramus. Just go thump your bible little man.
Comment by shane — March 19, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
No idea of how old you are and what your music tastes are but I know for a fact that the music collective is was involved with in the 90’s will be going to straight to hell. It was called “Stay up forever” and played nothing but the most intense acid techno. Hey, we even used to run a post club morning called Heresy. It ran until the police busted us.
Good times…
March 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pm#134 - Do you pray with that mouth?
“But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men. And he called to him the multitude, and said unto them, hear, and understand: Not that which entereth into the mouth defileth the man; but that which proceedeth out of the mouth, this defileth the man.” -Matthew 15:9-11
You know, you seem bored. Why don’t you go here and play.
March 19th, 2007 at 6:23 pmAt least in Hell we’re going to get the best music. What’s heaven going to have? Cliff Richard?
Comment by UKBristolDave
John Tesh. :P
Here I come hell….
March 19th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWow. We’ve got and VV frothing at the mouth on this thread.
Both know the hell of living a lie.
March 19th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by Zooey — March 19, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Everyone in Hell gets a large J.D and coke, a pack of unfiltered camels and some proper MDMA.
Sign me up….
March 19th, 2007 at 6:43 pmLook Zooey – Blasphemous Paper Dolls for you to play with and enjoy!! How about making a Muslim version - and have all kinds of “laughs” when they burn buildings and threaten to kill people!
But you are too precious….YOU pick a lousy husband, have a couple of kids and blame him for being a schmuck - well, I guess that makes sense to some people.
March 19th, 2007 at 6:46 pmI could care less who you leave your real and personal property to your, who you appoint as guardian of your children, or who you give power of attorney.
Comment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
are you sure? cause you made the statement below that says otherwise…
…I DON’T CARE. But re-write societal family rules - I’ll have to disagree.
Comment by valiant venus — March 19, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
really though… you don’t have to explain…
and, for the record, i’m not…
March 19th, 2007 at 6:47 pm.
#138 Since the faggots in question are in the service under don’t talk don’t bend over they might do well to simply SU. 10% does not a majority make. Look many here post about how killing is immoral then talk about Pace as though he is immoral but fags in the service will do the immoral and kill. So fags want protection under the law and that is not the same topic as, “Pace is evil since he hates faggots!”
Faggots want hetros to accept what morality, law and common sense say as WRONG. Some rapists claim that they could not help themselves and were born that way. Many men are rapists and since they can’t help themselves by having rape and assault laws we are hurting their chances of forming rape/victim relationships.
We are talking about the military here and close quarter’s life and death etc. The Army is and has typically been the domain of the hetro alpha males. Out of respect for the 90% the best the fags can do is accept that they are super unique. They are fags and they want to kill. They must also remember that the rest of the guys around them may hesitate or react in an unexpected way leading to their injury or death if it is known they are faggots.
March 19th, 2007 at 6:53 pmThat’s what I’m talking about, Valiant Venus. It’s creeping in…
March 19th, 2007 at 7:00 pmComment by Ben — March 19, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
What was your point? The whole post wasn’t clear?
March 19th, 2007 at 7:04 pmAwww, they’re just hanging around trying to cop a peak at your glorious junk, Ben. Yeah, go with that one… it comes from a “higher” and apparently more reputable source.
..so sayeth the Daryll.
March 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pmEveryone in Hell gets a large J.D and coke, a pack of unfiltered camels and some proper MDMA.
Sign me up….
Comment by UKBristolDave
Cool. You can have my Camels. *cough* :D
March 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by shane — March 19, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Shane, Pace did not make his statement on this blog. that’s who’s voice I am talking about.
Pay attention.
March 19th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#151 Ah yes you’re English. Yes Long Shanks and Henry the 8th. England is sinking and the ocean is rising. You have a TV tax and fights over soccer so how can I help you?
March 19th, 2007 at 7:13 pm