Pace’s 2005 comments on the ‘homosexual lifestyle.’
By on Mar 19th, 2007 at 10:09 am
Pace’s 2005 comments on the ‘homosexual lifestyle.’
Last week, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Peter Pace compared homosexuality to adultery, calling it “immoral.” He later explained that he was expressing his “personal moral views.” But as Newsweek points out, in a 2005 speech on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Pace also said, “The U.S. military mission fundamentally rests on the trust, confidence and cooperation amongst its members. And the homosexual lifestyle does not comport with that kind of trust and confidence.”
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OH Blow ME Pace.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:13 amThe real question is:
If you feel anyone is Immoral, ar you less WILLING to protect that population? wink wink. You Christo-functionless person.
And does that “trust, confidence and cooperation amongst its members” include the oh so very moral acts of rape and sexual harassment of female military members? Yes, the military is a very moral and cohesive group.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:20 amI beg to differ. If I were a soldier, if I were in a shower with other males, I would want to know who’s homosexual and who’s not because I feel uncomfortable showering near gays because there is a possibility that they may “extensively” view parts of my body that shouldn’t be viewed by males.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:21 amDaryll? Oh, Daryll….Calling Daryll…Code six on TP. Darrrrrrryyllll…
March 19th, 2007 at 10:22 amHow dare this man agree with military law.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:24 amWow, that was prescient!
March 19th, 2007 at 10:26 amI have people who believe this way among my family members. When I hear this sort of statement from them, I usually ask,”How many close personal friends do you have who are gay?” Answer – none (of course).
These sorts of statements are based on ignorance. Ignorance is at the heart of bigotry. I don’t really care about Gen Pace’s personal views. I do care when his personal views are based on ignorance, and because of his official leadership position, that ignorance affects government policy.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:27 amDaryll
Why should your or any other heterosexual’s discomfort be the basis for discrimination?
March 19th, 2007 at 10:29 amI beg to differ. If I were a soldier, if I were in a shower with other males, I would want to know who’s homosexual and who’s not because I feel uncomfortable showering near gays because there is a possibility that they may “extensively†view parts of my body that shouldn’t be viewed by males.
You must have a high opinion of yourself to think that every gay man would be checking you out.
Seriously, D, do you check out EVERY woman that walks down the street? Or just the ones you find attractive? And if you are only checking out the ones that are attractive, either you do it discreetly so they never notice and you are a gentleman. Or you stare openly and make rude comments, in which case you are a disgusting human being for objectifying another person.
If you were in the military, and 1 in 10 men were gay, what are the odds that they find you attractive? And so what if they do find you attractive and take a peek? If done discreetly, no one notices. If they stare openly and make rude comments, they are a disgusting human being for objectifying another person.
The right is always complaining about ‘political correctness’ and the left being overly sensitive about people’s feelings. So, take your own medicine, suck it up, and stop ‘feeling uncomfortable’ around gay people.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:32 ambecause there is a possibility that they may “extensively†view parts of my body that shouldn’t be viewed by males.
And you wouldn’t LIKE that?
March 19th, 2007 at 10:33 amPace is a goofy bigot and needs to resign from the military in disgrace!
March 19th, 2007 at 10:35 amFunny how you hear a lot less talk about “the heterosexual lifestyle.”
I guess the assumption would be that all or most heterosexuals live in happy stable marriages. They get married at say 18 or 20 and stay faithfully married for 50 or 60 years.
Yeah, that must be it…
March 19th, 2007 at 10:36 am#2 – Should official US policy be based on your own personal issues and prejudices? If we used that logic, we should ban gays from gyms because it might make the heterosexual members uncomfortable when they shower.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:37 amHow dare this man agree with military law.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 19, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Huh, funny. I didn’t think military law was infallible. Last time I checked, laws could be changed if they were found to be unjust or prejudicial.
(And please don’t use the ‘God’s law is infallible’ argument. That only applies to people who follow a certain vein of Christianity)
March 19th, 2007 at 10:37 amHow does pete know so much about “the homosexual lifestyle?”
March 19th, 2007 at 10:37 amGive me a break… I’m sick of the whole faggot situation. For instance; I work out at the gym and then use the shower. I like how women look but they would not be amused if I showered with them. They would call the police on me! So back in the MAN shower it is fantastic to have a guy look at my or your man parts and offer his phone ##. Yea dudes just suck on some dick. Sure mix the heavy metal killers with the leather fag killers and during action see how many faggots get fragged. I can’t talk about lesbians since they have no business fighting either. Women need to stay home while the fags try to convert the remaining heterosexual men. I mean who will take care of JR if dad is hanging out in the killing fields with some butt buddies?
March 19th, 2007 at 10:37 amIt’s not in their best interest to link homosexuality and adultery.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amWhy would anybody care if someone looked at them in a group shower? Everybody is naked so impossible to close your eyes and see nothing > lol.
Daryll > if you are an average looking guy, and not endowed, then most Gay guys would probably not even notice you. Do not worry about the soap being dropped in the shower, because no Gays will be interested in picking it up around you.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amComment by Poke out the queer eye — March 19, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Confused about your own sexuality, perhaps? Funny how this freak needs to say something explicit about a BJ. Yeah, right wing (latent homosexuals) seem obsessed with the BJ.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by Poke out the queer eye — March 19, 2007 @ 10:37 am
I have a feeling this guy would be wearing a white sheet 50 years ago.
Some people are bigots regardless. They just hate and fear what doesn’t fit in their own neat, little understanding of the world.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:44 amPace is really obsessed with homosexuals…Counting down until he’s outed…
10…
9…
8…
March 19th, 2007 at 10:45 amdaryll’s head may explode when he reads this. all men look
March 19th, 2007 at 10:45 amAlthough- it is based on a fake religious belief and a deep rooted homophobia. But bygosh, it’s the American Military we are talking about.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:46 amDont tell me this means that another official of the Bush administration was caught in a lie??? OMG
March 19th, 2007 at 10:51 amYou libs have an excuse for everything. Leave our laws alone. As it stands, homosexuals are prohibited from the military. If you want to become a part of a military organization, seek redemption for your despicable deed, and give your life to Jesus.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:55 amDaryll’s stupid comment about showering naked with other men reminds me of an incident at my gym years ago. I was very physically fit in my 20s and guys were always watching me in the shower, but it did not bother me at all. One day this ugly guy comes into the group shower stall and thinks because I am hung that I might hit on him. I laughed at the jerk and told him I was not even remotely interested in him. Really strange how many married guys at the gym would gawk at me in the shower and their eyes were locked on my crotch > lol.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:56 am“it’s the American Military we are talking about.”
That’s all the more reason policy should be based on how we maximize potentially effective resources (like not firing Arab translators because they are gay) rather than basing policy on personal prejudices and ignorance.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:56 amI would have thunk that people in the military would use the same good manners as people elsewhere, only look above the neck and don’t make rude/sexual/personal comments. But then I assume that most people, men and women use good manners. Perhaps I am being an optimist?
March 19th, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Poke out the queer eye — March 19, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Hey, General, with guys like Poke on your side perhaps you should begin questioning your “American values”.
BTW, why was “poke” capitalized? Hhmm?!
March 19th, 2007 at 11:00 amPatriotic > Poke probably likes to poke his thing in guys faces > lol.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:04 amDaryll,
You’ve convinced me. Yep, homosexuals should not be in the regular Army. We should start a “Gay Squad” instead. And, homosexuals should not be able to use public restrooms for the general population either. We need separate, but equal, “Gay Men” and “Lesbian” restrooms so there is no chance that you might be “looked at”.
/sarc off
March 19th, 2007 at 11:04 am#13 I fully agree with you here. I think the law should be changed and I personally have no problem with homosexuals being in the military. I was merely pointing out how nasty it is to speak out against someone who is simply using his free speech rights to agree with current military law/policy.
It is just weird to see folks act like what he said was wrong. We in this country are allowed free speech and his comments aren’t even currently wrong. While I disagree with him, he is simply stating that he agrees with current military policy. He did nothing wrong at all and this is simply a story designed for political gain as no crime was commited and no controversy happened. It would be a much bigger story if he came out and spoke against military policy. To simply go on record saying he agress with military law is not a story.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:09 am#31 Roger_Roger
Dang it. You made a valid point.
True, he did come out and agreed with current military policy and law. True, his personal views are in line with said laws.
The point is many people feel that his views and law are prejudicial and have no place in military policy and law. It seems that you are also on that side of the issue, so on this issue, we agree.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:16 amRoger_Rhetoric sez:
What’s nasty is people like yourself using our right to Free Speech to attempt to justify Pace’s remarks.
No, Pace should not have said what he did…not because I’m somehow ‘prohibiting’ him from exercising his right to Free Speech, but because what he said was stupid and hateful and wrong. Pace is free to say whatever he likes…and we’re just as free to take him to task for it.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:17 amDaryll,
You’ve convinced me. Yep, homosexuals should not be in the regular Army. We should start a “Gay Squad†instead. And, homosexuals should not be able to use public restrooms for the general population either. We need separate, but equal, “Gay Men†and “Lesbian†restrooms so there is no chance that you might be “looked atâ€.
/sarc off
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — March 19, 2007 @ 11:04 am
I never stated that homosexuals should be unequally treated. I only believe that they shouldn’t hold sacred positions (I consider military organizations as sacred positions). Also, Libs, my church, , is holding a heterosexual conversion retreat in Baltimore, MD (April 13-22). If you know any homosexuals that want to go to heaven, please instruct them to show up. If you need any specifics regarding the retreat, please email me at lanierd2003@yahoo.com. We’re going to take back what Satan has taken from us and help convert these individuals back in to the Heterosexual lifestyle as well as save their souls.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:17 amDaryll > I am sorry that you have a small penis, and that you are ugly, but please go find help for your sexual bigotry.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:25 amAhh, Daryll, my favorite “pick & choose” Christian! Always with the Biblical verses that support your pre-determined prejudice and never with the Biblical verses that don’t sound so good.
By the way, the homosexual lifestyle is all the things that a homosexual does. I joined the Army, so that means it’s part of the homosexual lifestyle!
I also attend church, so so that’s part of the homosexual lifestyle as well!
March 19th, 2007 at 11:27 am#33 But to demand someone apoligize for saying they agree with the law of their employer IS WRONG. That attempts to force someone to publicly disagree with their employer which could cost them their job. This is really all I am pointing out.
I agree with this crowd that the military should change their policy, but currently Pace is perfectly correct to say what he did as it matches the military policy. I wouldn’t expect any current military leader to say anything other then what Pace did as it is never ok to publicly disagree with your employers policies if you value your job. Lastly, this isn’t a story. THis is merely media deciding to create a story which really isn’t a story at all. Should they report everytime someone goes on public record and says “I agree with my employers policies”? Sounds boring and a nonstory to me.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:29 amHeterosexual lifestyle as well as save their souls.
Comment by Daryll
I’m not 100% in love with your tone right now;and besides,Tina’s here,we’re getting back together.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:30 amAhh, Daryll, my favorite “pick & choose†Christian! Always with the Biblical verses that support your pre-determined prejudice and never with the Biblical verses that don’t sound so good.
By the way, the homosexual lifestyle is all the things that a homosexual does. I joined the Army, so that means it’s part of the homosexual lifestyle!
I also attend church, so so that’s part of the homosexual lifestyle as well!
Comment by Democrat Soldier — March 19, 2007 @ 11:27 am
If you attend Church, why haven’t you given your life to Jesus and diverted from your sexual ways? Please show up for the retreat. Email me your information so you can be on our retreat list. We’ll assist you in seeking redemption.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:32 amPeter Pace is a homophobe in charge of others and thier lives, right down to the way they think (at least as long as they’re active duty military) so forget the smoke and mirrors. The statement really was all about hate and prejudice. It’s that simple. Ask Pace about religion. I guarantee you that he will acknowlege he is a fine, upstanding Christian. Most fear-mongers who advocate intollerance and bigotry are.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:33 am@Daryll – As you’ve admitted, you would have a problem with a gay person ‘checking you out’ in the shower but my response to that would be that I seriously doubt that person’s sexuality would be questioned by you if ‘that person’ was the only person who could rescue your sorry ass if you were pinned down by enemy fire or some other combat situation. Your argument is very hypocritical. As Chris Rock says….”if gay people want to fight in the military for our country then LET THEM, because I could see Russian tanks rollin’ down Flatbush Ave and I ain’t fightin’ NOBODY…”
March 19th, 2007 at 11:36 amTP staff > delete Daryll’s comments for his homophobia and not our comments attacking him for it!
March 19th, 2007 at 11:36 amGen Pace doesn’t trust himself around gay guys.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:37 amDaryll,
I had a feeling I’d find you here. You’ve established a pattern on TP, you might want to mix it up a bit. You know, comment on non-homo threads.
BTW, I thought god was on Oral Roberts’ side last week when they played again WSU. WHAT HAPPENED!!? God clearly slipped up. Or was it you?
March 19th, 2007 at 11:39 amI read Daryll’s homophobic and pseudo-christian comments and wonder if he was born stupid or is this a recent development? Daryll….the “jesus” i studied in Lutheran confirmation classes when I was in junior high school was a very giving and forgiving and encompassing being. I dont think the “jesus” I studied long ago had a bigoted cartilage in his entire body. Why, then, as an alleged “christian” are you so myopic? Did we study different Jesus’?
March 19th, 2007 at 11:42 am#38 – Ahh, the ever confused Daryll continues to mistake his “pick & choose” verses of the Bible with the Bible.
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
- Jeremiah 14:13
I refuse to let the false prophet “Daryll the Picker & Chooser” from leading me astray.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:44 amEmail me your information so you can be on our retreat list. We’ll assist you in seeking redemption.
Comment by Daryll
Jesus Daryll, why don’t you mind your own f*cking business?
March 19th, 2007 at 11:44 amMe thinks Pace doth protest too much.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:45 amTP staff > delete Daryll’s comments for his homophobia and not our comments attacking him for it!
Comment by Jay Randal — March 19, 2007 @ 11:36 am
First, Jay, I’m just utilizing the First Amendment. Second, I’m not attacking anyone, I’m just requesting that homosexuals turn from their wicked ways. It’s a request not an obligation. They must make the choice to prepare themselves for heaven or hell. Also, do you know of anyone that needs to attend our first ever heterosexual conversion retreat? We’re going to stomp on the satan, save souls and convert homosexuals into heterosexuals.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:48 am#38 – Ahh, the ever confused Daryll continues to mistake his “pick & choose†verses of the Bible with the Bible.
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.â€
- Jeremiah 14:13
I refuse to let the false prophet “Daryll the Picker & Chooser†from leading me astray.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — March 19, 2007 @ 11:44 am
No problem. You’ll receive Jesus’ reaction during the White Throne of Judgement. I’m not perfect, but I strive to live according to biblical standards.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:51 amPace should not back down from being correct.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:52 am#46 – Mistress Z, Daryll seems to be very interested in meeting with gay people. I wonder if he’s got a great deal in common with Rev. Haggard?
Sorry Daryll, my partner of seven years keeps me more than happy.
Facetiousness aside, Daryll, have you ever wondered why the “conversion” success rate is so dismal? Have you ever wondered why so many of the gays that tried to “pray the gay away” end up living a happy gay lifestyle?
They come to the realization that God doesn’t hate gay people nor their sexual orientation.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:53 amEmail me your information so you can be on our retreat list. We’ll assist you in seeking redemption.
Comment by Daryll
Jesus Daryll, why don’t you mind your own f*cking business?
Comment by Mistress Z — March 19, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Hey, Mistress Z, I’m witnessing trying to save souls, it sounds like you have a little bit of conviction in your heart. Have you received since ye believed?
March 19th, 2007 at 11:53 am#49 – Really? Do you?
Do you burn everything your wife touches during “that time of the month”? It’s in the Bible, so you must do it, right?
Have you killed people who claim to be witches? It’s in the Bible, so you must do it, right?
Daryll, you pick and choose the verses of the Bible that you claim to follow, and ignore others that you don’t like, and you ingore the contradictions in the Bible.
I don’t questions your faith, but I question the justification of your pick & choose style of Christianity.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:56 amReligious Zealots have really screwed things up.
My Apologies.
-God, Creator of the Universe.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:00 pm@Democrat Soldier – AMEN brother. Well said.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:00 pmHey, Mistress Z, I’m witnessing trying to save souls, it sounds like you have a little bit of conviction in your heart. Have you received since ye believed?
Comment by Daryll
Yes Daryll, I do have conviction in my heart.
Recieved what? Believed what? Enlighten me.
Also, what happened to Oral Roberts v. WSU? I’m really curious.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pm… Oral Roberts… uh huhuhuh she said Oral.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:12 pmOne verse from the bible that Daryll conveniently forgets to mention is the one where “god” created man in “his own image.” This creates an interesting situation for a biblical scholar like Daryll, because if gays are created in “gods” image does that mean that “god” is gay? He certainly accepts the premise that “god” created straight people. Perhaps it would be easier for Daryll to stomach if we concluded from this that “god” was bisexual. Or would that just further confuse you Daryll?
March 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI never stated that homosexuals should be unequally treated. I only believe that they shouldn’t hold sacred positions (I consider military organizations as sacred positions).
Comment by Daryll
Daryll slides a little lower into his own twisted world where being denied choice of employment is not unequal treatment.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAnd does that “trust, confidence and cooperation amongst its members†include the oh so very moral acts of rape and sexual harassment of female military members? Yes, the military is a very moral and cohesive group.
Comment by Al — March 19, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Not the issue here.
“Funny how you hear a lot less talk about “the heterosexual lifestyle.â€
Comment by Paul Martin — March 19, 2007 @ 10:36 am
We keep our personal business to ourselves. That’s why so many people have problems with gays. I worked in an office with a significant number of gay people and ONE respected the fact that I didn’t want to hear about their activities and would not bring it up when I was present. And let me head off the first attempts to avoid the issue and point out that this was a work environment, not a bar or someone’s home. And I said “would not bring it up when I was present”, not that I expected them to change their topic when I came in the room. I believe homosexuality is morally wrong, but I believe gays should be allowed to serve as long as their conduct isn’t an issue. Having said that, I believe the military should have great leeway in discharging anyone whose behavior in this area causes a problem just as they can easily get rid of people for other forms of misbehavior.
I read Daryll’s homophobic and pseudo-christian comments and wonder if he was born stupid or is this a recent development? Daryll….the “jesus†i studied in Lutheran confirmation classes when I was in junior high school was a very giving and forgiving and encompassing being. I dont think the “jesus†I studied long ago had a bigoted cartilage in his entire body. Why, then, as an alleged “christian†are you so myopic? Did we study different Jesus’?
Comment by Mike Hunt — March 19, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Jesus is loving and forgiving. Forgiveness occurs when one admits to sin, expresses regret and ENDS the behavior. If you continue the behavior, their is obviously no regret. Jesus never told anyone to go on with their sinful behavior. He ALWAYS condemned the behavior and loved the sinner (all human beings). And before you post anymore Bible verses about false prophets, check the definition. I’m making no prophesy. And I’m making no claim to moral superiority. I’m a sinner just like everyone else. I don’t hate anyone because they choose to live the homosexual lifestyle. I am sorry for them, but I don’t want their choices thrown in my face and I don’t want my children exposed to their perversion.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pmPlease feel free to ignore any typos and address the comments instead.
“It’s not in their best interest to link homosexuality and adultery.” Really, I didn’t hear Pace saying that Guiliani and McCain are not qualified to be President because they committed adultery. Also, I am willing to bet that the military does not kick out people who are found to be committing adultery. They may get a slap on the wrist, but I’m positive they do not get drummed out of the military.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pm… Oral Roberts… uh huhuhuh she said Oral.
Comment by Smack
You talkin’ smack, Bevis?
Heh.
…or is it Butthead…?
March 19th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI know I shouldn’t reply to our resident Fundie Daryll, but sometimes it’s difficult to resist…
Daryll sez:
‘Sacred positions’? I guess the list of those positions doesn’t include the priesthood, huh, Daryll?
Sheesh…too easy…I don’t feel good about this one…
March 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pmThat’s always the catch phrase for you libs, “Jesus is love”. There’s more to Jesus than love and it’s reflected in the bible. Why did Jesus say that he was a fair, but just God?
March 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pmDaryll
I don’t remember reading anything said by Jesus that the military is sacred. If Jesus ordered an institution, it is usually considered by mainstream religious establishments to be a “sacrament”. For example, the Last Supper. The Catholic Church is the most “liberal” in this, having several more sacraments than Protestants. However, I don’t recall “induction into the military” as one of those sacraments. So, your argument about denying homosexuals service in the “sacred” military is not theologically based.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pmThat was my Butthead impression. :D
March 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pmOMG ~ Also, Libs, my church, , is holding a heterosexual conversion retreat
So they convert heteros at this retreat? Perhaps it’s like a free love market of sorts…
March 19th, 2007 at 12:32 pmOne verse from the bible that Daryll conveniently forgets to mention is the one where “god†created man in “his own image.†This creates an interesting situation for a biblical scholar like Daryll, because if gays are created in “gods†image does that mean that “god†is gay? He certainly accepts the premise that “god†created straight people. Perhaps it would be easier for Daryll to stomach if we concluded from this that “god†was bisexual. Or would that just further confuse you Daryll?
Comment by Ben Dover — March 19, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
God created man in his image, but gave us free will in how we live. The first man and woman chose to sin as has everyone since. Because of the fall of man, we have many sinful desires. Some have the desire to have relations with the same sex, some have the desire to commit adultery, some have the desire to molest children, some have the desire to steal. Sin is sin and it doesn’t matter how many people are doing it or how much society decides to accept the behavior. God created us, God made the rules and we either accept Him or we don’t. And no amount of filthy ranting and demanding will change that. He is the same yesterday, today and always.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pmI strive to live according to biblical standards.
Yeah, you make those Pharisees look like real gentlemen in comparison.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pmWhite Throne of Judgement.
Sounds like a great name for a heavy metal band.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pmNo problem. You’ll receive Jesus’ reaction during the White Throne of Judgement. I’m not perfect, but I strive to live according to biblical standards.
Comment by Daryll
Matt. 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”
I think you missed one, Daryll.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:37 pmHey, Daryll, How about basing some thinking on REALITY?
Oh, by the way, here is some theological gristle to chew on.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7)
God created Evil? Why would he do such a thing?
March 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWhy did Jesus say that he was a fair, but just God?
Comment by Daryll
Jesus said he was a fair and just god? Truly asking you because you seem to know a lot about the bible.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOne of the things I enjoy the most about having Think Progress as my second most important news source (after the NYT) is how people absolutely pummel the neocon nitwits who come in here spewing their Rush-learned hypocrisy. Its truly beautiful to see the quick wit and extensive knowledge base of the progressives. Its almost like neocon pummeling is a spectator sport. Too bad its not a more widespread sport!
March 19th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHere is what people keep forgetting…
Gen Pace does not make the policy, Congress does. His view is irrelevant.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pmBen ~
March 19th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPerhaps we should hand out medals each day for the best trollbash and the most Informative Troll debunk each day.
When are you trolls going to realize that sexuality is a born trait, whereas adultery is something you choose to do. You cannot “change” your sexuality preference any more than you can “change” your eye color permanently.
Sure, you can put on colored contacts, but underneath your eyes are still the same color they were when you were born.
And what about the bisexuals, are they “immoral” too? Get educated, get a life, and get the frak out of my face with your “moral”izing horse manure.
March 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmBig D Daryll,
You weren’t anti gay when my nutsaq was banging on your chin!!
You remind me of Haggard!
March 19th, 2007 at 12:57 pmI wonder why Daryll ignored my post where I pointed out his “pick & choose” style of reading the Bible?
Leviticus 21:7 “you shall not marry a woman divorced from her husband.”
Does this mean that Daryll will not vote for Gulliani in 2008?
Leviticus 20:10 “If a man commits adultery, both the adulterer and adulteress shall be put to death.â€
Uh, oh! Daryll had better not follow THIS verse in the Bible! He’d have to kill a lot of Republicans!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pmYou do realize that fags have butt sex don’t you? I mean otherwise you have two dudes having a beer!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:02 pmPretend that homosexuals become accepted in mass (this will not happen). It turns out that “Richard” enjoys ’scatology’ (playing with poo and eating it too) and this becomes wide spread as well. Soon ’scatologists’ want to practice their form of sex in public too. Well if the fags are going at it then so should the scatters!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmSaywho,
Huh I can’t understand you with that turd in your mouth!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:13 pmSaywho,
PS when I was banging your mommies butt, was that gay?
March 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmYou do realize that fags have butt sex don’t you? I mean otherwise you have two dudes having a beer!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmComment by Saywho — March 19, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
You do realize heterosexual couples have butt sex also, don’t you?
I mean, what is your obsession with butt sex? Not getting any?
Forget that Leviticus 18.22 says that, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: because it is an abomination.â€
March 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pmForget that Leviticus 20.13 says that, “If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination: let them be put to death. Their blood be upon them.â€
Forget that Judges 19.22-26, Romans 1.26-27, 32, Corinthians 6.9-10 and Jude 1.7 all pretty much cast faggots into the group that misses the bus so to speak.
It happens that anal sex is pretty nasty stuff. Between all the bacteria present and the fact that the colon needs a functional anus to keep from defecating on one’s self it is a bad idea for anyone to engage in this behavior.
Gen Pace does not make the policy, Congress does. His view is irrelevant.
Comment by hacker bob
He is the one of the top commanders of the armed forces and he openly ridicules part of his own force. That is what some people miss. His personal view is irrelevant. Speaking into a microphone and declaring part of your own command unfit for service because of that personal bigotry shows that he himself is unfit for command. That is what some people fail to grasp.
March 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmUsing that opening is bad regardless of your deathstyle
March 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmDrxJ ~ Probably getting too much…
March 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmBen,
I have been doing you long enough, and your sphincter still works, if only your mouth had as much control.
March 19th, 2007 at 1:37 pmComment by dlet — March 19, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Pace was asked his personal opinion in an interview, not on the floor of Congress. Leaders are asked to use their “prejudice” all the time in the Military. Did you know that? If they say fat troops are unfit for combat duty, that is a prejudice. If they say that people with financial issues are unfit for combat duty, it is a prejudice. I have seen people unable to deploy because of both.
Pace said that in his opinion homosexual behavior is immoral. He also said that adulterers are immoral. Guess what, Congress must feel the same way. That is why both are a violation of the UCMJ.
If the law is changed, he has two choices. 1) Accept it or 2) retire.
March 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIts truly beautiful to see the quick wit and extensive knowledge base of the progressives. Its almost like neocon pummeling is a spectator sport. Too bad its not a more widespread sport!
Comment by Ben Dover — March 19, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Also helps when the S-P leaders delete posts that reveal the truth that they want to keep from their followers.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmDaryll never answered my question. :(
March 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmLeaders are asked to use their “prejudice†all the time in the Military. Did you know that? If they say fat troops are unfit for combat duty, that is a prejudice. If they say that people with financial issues are unfit for combat duty, it is a prejudice.
Comment by hacker bob
Just equating these qualifications with that of being a homosexual shows you are on the level of thinking with Pace. These are all conditions a person can better themselves in. They have a choice to improve. Homosexuality is not a choice and does not need to be improved upon. When a leader slanders and vilifies a group of his troops for personal reasons I would hope many in the service(including you) would begin to question his command skills.
March 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmSome people are bigots regardless. They just hate and fear what doesn’t fit in their own neat, little understanding of the world.
Comment by bobcat_grad — March 19, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Most Christians don’t hate gays (there are hateful people in every group as evidenced by the S-P’s here). And we certainly don’t fear them. That is the common response by S-P’s the make our position seem unreasonable. Why should anyone be afraid of gays? Show me one Christian who says he or she is AFRAID of gays. We disagree with the way they choose to live their lives and the efforts to force our society to say it is ok. I don’t advocate trying to restrict their actions, but stop trying to make society legitimize it.
No, Pace should not have said what he did…not because I’m somehow ‘prohibiting’ him from exercising his right to Free Speech, but because what he said was stupid and hateful and wrong. Pace is free to say whatever he likes…and we’re just as free to take him to task for it.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — March 19, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Please show me where the constitution says free speech is reserved for pornography, flag burning (American flag only), and any position held by
March 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmS-P’s. I assume this was a joke. Surely, you are not so foolish as to believe that any speech deemed by some to be “stupid, hateful and wrong” is not allowed. That would pretty much eliminate everything on this site.
Here is a good article on the “adultery” qualification for military prosecution.
March 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pmPace’s “personal moral views” are such that HE REFUSES TO WEAR A CONDOM WHEN BUGGERING BOYS’ BOTTOMS because IT’S AGAINST HIS RELIGION to DO SO–Pace PREFERS the “Old Fashioned Way”–BAREBACK!!!!!
March 19th, 2007 at 9:55 pm#38
#33 But to demand someone apoligize for saying they agree with the law of their employer IS WRONG. That attempts to force someone to publicly disagree with their employer which could cost them their job. This is really all I am pointing out.
I agree with this crowd that the military should change their policy, but currently Pace is perfectly correct to say what he did as it matches the military policy. I wouldn’t expect any current military leader to say anything other then what Pace did as it is never ok to publicly disagree with your employers policies if you value your job. Lastly, this isn’t a story. THis is merely media deciding to create a story which really isn’t a story at all. Should they report everytime someone goes on public record and says “I agree with my employers policies� Sounds boring and a nonstory to me.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 19, 2007 @ 11:29 am
So you are saying that he had “freedom of speech” to say what his “owner” says he can say?
That is NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH dork.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#97
Here is a good article on the “adultery†qualification for military prosecution.
Comment by dlet — March 19, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
This would make a good test for the Repukkkican Presidential candidates.
Newt…Out
Rudy…Out
St Mclame…Out
We could on and on.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:45 pm#69 yuk yuk
OMG ~ Also, Libs, my church, , is holding a heterosexual conversion retreat
So they convert heteros at this retreat? Perhaps it’s like a free love market of sorts…
I call I go on Daryl’s bus. I want to sit right there next to him and hold his johnson. I think we should all go and just f*ck with the whole crowd!! Hey Daryl, is there a homo test, like we have to finger the Rev’s ass to get to go? Or maybe blow the pastor?, or do the ladies get to eat the nuns? How a strap on? Is that the way to go? I call the whips.
March 19th, 2007 at 11:54 pm