Bush lashes out.
Bush lashes out.
At a press conference moments ago:
“We will not go along with a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants. The initial response by Democrats unfortunately shows some appear more interested in scoring political points than in learning the facts. It will be regrettable if they choose to head down the partisan road of issuing subpoenas and demanding show trials. And I have agreed to make key White House officials and documents available. I proposed a reasonable way to avoid an impasse, and I hope they don’t choose confrontation. I will oppose any attempts to subpoena White House officials.”
UPDATE: Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) said, “I don’t accept [the White House's] offer. It is not constructive and it is not helpful to be telling the Senate how to do our investigation, or to prejudge its outcome. … Testimony should be on the record, and under oath. That’s the formula for true accountability.”
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Cornered animals always lash out. Also, CNN says Leahy does not accept the WH offer of being able to have the liars get away with lying.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:10 pmPartisan? The blackest pot, calling the kettle dark gray.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:10 pmBring home the troops…
…issue warrants for Bushiva and L’il Dick’s arrests…
…on charges of TREASON…
…deputize the ENTIRE Democratic electorate…
…in case Rove, Delay and the THUGS wanna obstruct justice being served…
March 20th, 2007 at 6:11 pmThat’s the good old “the best defense is a rabid dog offense”.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:11 pmLet’s get ready to rumble!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:11 pmSubpoena them now!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pmyou go something to hide W?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pmWOO HOO!! Hopefully, now that the President has told Congress to go pound sand on subpoenas, we can really see what a bunch of impotent cowards they are . . .
Your move.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pm“I will oppose any attempts to subpoena White House officials”
The Constitutional crisis is looming. We thought it would come over his plans to illegally invade Iran.
But Bush is planning to bring this to a head now. He’s going to challenge the COngress. We’ll see if the COngress is made up of patriots or sniveling corrupted sychophants. They will either call Bush’s bluff and demand subpoenas be honored, and if the subpoenas are not, go to the Supreme COurt and then — to the streets.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pmJust got back from watching the President’s speech…the only word that adequately fits Chimpy’s demeanor was ‘pugnacious’…it looked like he was going to start swinging any second.
The principle argument that Chimpy put forth for not allowing Rove and Miers to testify under oath was that he was concerned that establishing such a precedent would keep presidential advisors from speaking candidly, harming the ability of the President to receive sound advice.
What a crock. Chimpy sees the constitutional crisis up ahead, and responds by jamming the throttle wide open. It’s obvious that this sociopath would rather destroy this country than hand it over. He and his band of murderous thugs need to be removed from power.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pmgood for him
March 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pmGo, go, go, President Bush!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:13 pmChris Matthews liked Bush’s combative style, even though he thinks something is fishy. Lou Dobbs thinks the Dems are being partisan, even though he says the White House has lied. In other news, kittens are cute and cuddly.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThe posturing and bully tactics have worked so well up until this point George….
March 20th, 2007 at 6:14 pm“To the streets”, ChildrenofLir?! LOL
March 20th, 2007 at 6:14 pmBring it on Assclown Presidential Poseur!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThe fall of the Bush regime will be so fun to watch, we will enjoy it so much !!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:14 pmSmells like well-done Dick Nixon. Chimpy, 70% of us think you suck.
-GSD
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmbushie is afraid of his henchmen testifying under oath. Why, georgie?
Any trolls out there, could you help me out. Just why are informal interviews, with no transcripts helpful? The nixon parallels are astounding.
New bush vodka ad:
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAbsolut Obstruction
I fully expect the Democrats to cave on this and NOT issue subpoenas. Judging from the past two months, the Democratic party is completely dead and useless.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmBush is betting that the Congress will back down on the Constitutional Crisis.
The Congress damn well better not back down.
Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmHey, RemoveBush — make sure you get some really big U.S. Marshals to arrest Bush ; )
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThat was the same backdrop for the “I did not have se*ual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky moment. And he got angry and wagged his finger.
For a Presidential staff supposedly smart on PR, that was an incredibly dumb place to do that announcement.
Nice.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmIt’s HIS government and HE’S the decider!
Thou shalt not question my war!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmWe’ll see if the COngress is made up of patriots or sniveling corrupted sychophants. They will either call Bush’s bluff and demand subpoenas be honored, and if the subpoenas are not, go to the Supreme COurt and then — to the streets.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
sniveling corrupted sychophants is ur answer
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJake,
Leahy says he does not accept the offer.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJake
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmWatch out. The revolution is coming thanks to your Commander in Thief
From rawstory:
In a statement released before Bush’s remarks, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) released a statement which called on Rove to testify under oath.
“After telling a bunch of different stories about why they fired the U.S. Attorneys, the Bush Administration is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt,” Reid said. “Congress and the American people deserve a straight answer. If Karl Rove plans to tell the truth, he has nothing to fear from being under oath like any other witness.â€
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThe Chimp’s coming unglued…he knows his end is imminent. Anyone with such an arrogant chip on their shoulder at this point in the game (losing side) has more arrogance than sense. He’s definitely losing his grip in his lashing out this evening. I’d say he’s just had his last press conference in his presidency. I’d say he’s now “toast”.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pm“I’m the preznit dammit, I got books and stuff behind me. “
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmBush had his hand in his pocket. I thought he looked like he was feeling a little teste.
-GSD
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJesus, when, oh when, can impeachment proceedings get started?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:17 pmJake
March 20th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThe people will arrest Bush. Ever heard of the French REvolution.
Bush is correct completely here. While the Dems have the right to perform these political show trials, Bush shouldn’t lower himself to those standards. He hopes, as well as most Americans, that the Dems move on and start focusing on real issues. What Bush did wasn’t even a crime regardless of his reasons.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:17 pmbush’s premise is that this gonzales flap is all just political posturing from the democrats. this argument appears specious when the administration is scared to testify under oath and is attempting absurd legal acrobatics to avoid it. But ok, let’s just see. let’s go ahead and have a national referendum on whether rove and others should testify. no partisan games here, let the people decide. if bush is such a tough guy he will suggest this himself
March 20th, 2007 at 6:17 pmAll of my in-laws, who are very conservative are now asking for Bush’s head on a plate.
Salome, care to dance?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:17 pmFlaco: You are a bold-faced idiot.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:17 pmPLEASE CALL AND ASK SENATOR LEAHY TO USE SUBPOENAS!!!
DC PHONE : 202-224-4242
March 20th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFAX: 202 224 3479
Such false bravado from a man in a quagmire up to his shoulders! Such false bravado actually signifies that he’s shaking in his shoes! Such false bravado is that of an ignorant man who knows that his gig is finally up! Such false bravado will bring the impeachment charges for certain. Like the true bully which he is, he’s saying…nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah…..”I call the shots ’round this schoolyard”…but he doesn’t realize that he will be steamrolled by the festering crowd waiting patiently for him in the classroom.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI thought he looked like he was feeling a little teste.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBWWAAAHAHAHAHH~!
When this goes to the Supreme Court, and the Court has no choice but to rule against BUsh’s outrageous usurpation of Congressional authority –
The crisis will go to the streets.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAll of my in-laws, who are very conservative are now asking for Bush’s head on a plate.
Salome, care to dance?
Comment by RUCerious
Are those (in laws) ur cousins too?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pmForTruth:
Then let Leahy enforce his subpoena.
ChildrenofLir:
It is illegal to threaten bodily harm to the President or Vice President.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAny psychologist will tell you that this is one desperate man. I’m surprised he didn’t reduce himself to tears in this appearance. Maybe he should be nominated now for an Academy Award?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBut we want that confrontation, you miserable, lying sack of poopy-doopy. You’re not looking so good, Chimpy. Yes, we have no bananas, today.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:20 pmIf it’s just a “political flap” as the master of chicanery purports, then let’s see it via sworn testimony. Insisting on unsworn testimony is an “unofficial admission of guilt” and people can see right through it.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:20 pmwyderp:
Separation of Powers is NOT absurd legal acrobatics.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:21 pmThe talking head neo-con media is scared now. It’s getting ‘real’ Tucker Carlson wags. “Reality” is a hard concept for overpaid overrated fools who babble on day after day from talking points from remote studios.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:21 pmDid I just happen to scroll by some troll blather? hahaha! They just don’t get it that they’re completely irrelevant here, do they?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:21 pmJake
March 20th, 2007 at 6:22 pmIt is illegal for the President and Vice President to lie to the Congress and send our children, our soldiers to die for a lie, for profits, for corruption, for elitist power grabbing. THAT”S WHAT IS ILLEGAL JAKE.
Jake,
I will let Leahy issue subpoena’s that have yet to be issued.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:22 pmroger_roger: A show trial, comrade, implies that the charges are baseless. So why are worried about rove, et al testifying under oath?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:22 pmAre you scared like bush?
If Bush claims to be interested “in learning the facts” then why has he emphatically stated that White House employees will not be testifying under oath, on the record, in a public forum? What is he and the rest of the administration trying to hide? Why is he not allowing sunshine to fall on their testimony? The word hypocrite is not strong enough to describe the words that tumble from the mouth of this prevaricator, especially from someone who claimed that he would restore honor and integrity to the White House.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI’m wondering what drugs he’s taking??
March 20th, 2007 at 6:22 pmFlaco, you do know who Salome was, don’t you?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pmIf they’re the right ones for BPD, he didn’t take them today, that’s certain.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pmJohn Farr: “I fully expect the Democrats to cave on this and NOT issue subpoenas.”
Let’s see. Dingle’s got subpoenas ready. Leahy is writing them up. Waxman has already issued subpoenas pursuent to his committee hearings. Maybe John Farr knows something we don’t.
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Up yours, Dumbya. If you had agreed to make these “honorable public servants” available, why didn’t you make them available under oath? You define the phrase “horses ass”
March 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pmTaking it to the streets Jake. That’s what’s gonna happen. And your Commander in Thief made it happen by lying, cheating, perverting, and sending children to their deaths for his gain.
Taking it to the streets Jake. Get ready for reality. When the government no longer represents the people, the people have the duty to stop it.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pmOffer? Bush is making an offer and trying to limit the investigation into his administration’s corrupt activities?
Shove it, Chimpy. 70% of this country has had it with you.
Subpoenas — NOW.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pmOur resident imbecile troll needs a quick primer in constitutional law, doesn’t he? While he’s at it, he also needs to get his GED!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI’ve seen mentally challenged inpatients in state run psychiatric facilities who appear more composed. Give this asswipe a sedative suppository, nurse! QUICK!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmAll of my in-laws, who are very conservative are now asking for Bush’s head on a plate.
Comment by RUCerious
My Dad, who is Republican and retired military after 40 years is asking for Bush’s head on a platter, along with the rest of the Bush cabal.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmThough that happened after the Walter Reed story broke.
Jake, get off your dumb ass. There was no threat made by referencing the French Revolution. No mention of a guillotine ready to lop off the head of the monarch, none whatseover.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmComment by mandolin #11
Comment by Flaco #12
Comment by Jake #15
…now’s your chance to DEFEND your god…
…grab your weapon and run into the street…
…PLEASE!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmIf they were cousins (related by blood) they can’t be in-laws (related by law).
Dipsh!t.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI have to say that was the most bellicose, belligerent display I’ve ever seen by a sitting president. He’s back in “dead or alive, bring it on” mode. Pretty shocking to throw down the gauntlet like that. If his intent was to embarrass Leahy, et al, he failed.
Babs, what did you do to that boy?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmCould someone send Donald Trump to fire him and just get this over with?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmChrildrenofLir:
When did the Vice President lie to Congress?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmHard to believe it’s only been 8 years, but here’s a golden oldie:
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, July 26) — Top Republicans Sunday warned President Bill Clinton that refusing to honor independent counsel Ken Starr’s grand jury subpoena in the Monica Lewinsky case could have serious political consequences — including the possibility of impeachment.
“I think it would be disastrous. It is basically saying he is above the law, he doesn’t have to comply with the law,” said Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles of Oklahoma on NBC’s “Meet The Press.” “Everybody else in America has to comply with subpoenas (while) he’s saying he wouldn’t. … I don’t think that would be sustainable.”
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmRoger_roger
We won’t need a show trial. We have the facts. And we’ll get the rest of the facts when we subpoena and Bush is forced under threat of arrest to turn over the documents.
Then we’ll get the documents from Cheney’s Energy conferences in early 2001 when he and the cabal plotted to takeover Iraq using any ruse, to gain control of its oil. The treasonous plot will then be exposed.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThe truth will prevail and the american people will know all the lurid details in due time. What we’ve already got in terms of the true details stacking up against this administration is certainly enough to bring about impeachment proceedings. Since when have we become a country to accept multiple lies from our commander in chief? Since when?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmNurse? Excuse me, Nurse Jake? I said NOW!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI am reallllllllly hoping that Leahy remembers Big Time telling him to F off. Bring it it on, Jethro.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThe next stage should be impeaching the President and Vice-President and all their minions for obstruction of Justice. Huzzah! Maybe we can finally get Karl Rove too.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmFace it, Chimpy : You are the Worst President this country has ever seen.
Period.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThis is getting better by the minute. TP, recap that led us to this moment? What’s going to be the best slogan tonight on the talking head channels? This is the battle royale.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmErrol:
Separation of Powers — it’s in the Constitution, look it up.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWOO HOO!! Hopefully, now that the President has told Congress to go pound sand on subpoenas, we can really see what a bunch of impotent cowards they are . . .
Your move.
Comment by Jake
This comes from a 70 y/o person? Hardly.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmSlap those subpoenas on ‘em!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmBig Papa- Yeah!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmSpudge, thanks for the backup. Probably wasted on the flaccid one.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWhat Bush did wasn’t even a crime regardless of his reasons.
Comment by Roger_Roger
And therein lies the problem. It seems like real democracy is too much for the right to imagine. As long as ‘deal leader’ didn’t actually ‘break any laws’ – even to the point of making a mockery of the traditional process – then all is well. It’s funny for a person who doesn’t do nuance, Mr. Bush tries it out for size whenever it suits his own purpose.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmJake likes to live in a constant state of fear, like his other friends in the 30 percenter group.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmbig papa:
I was laughing at ChildrenofLir wanting to take guns to the street. I’m not going to do that.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmSpudger, did you notice flaccido didn’t respond when I asked him if he knew who Salome was.
Thump that Bible, but don’t take the time to read it.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmBush’s speech sounded very much like a threat against Congress. I hope to God they do take a confrontational approach to those sons of bitches. They deserve a traitors death.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmBush is an imbecile and a punk and he is going to self-destruct because of it.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmOffer? Bush is making an offer and trying to limit the investigation into his administration’s corrupt activities? — Zooey
Nixon tried the same thing, we all know how that worked for Tricky Dicky
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI’m wearing lovely lacy panties under my Dockers.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmChecks and Balances – read all about it, jakers
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmActually if Jake really is 75, he’s pretty progressive for that age group. Most of them don’t expose themselves to anything but the good ol mornin newspaper, and certainly wouldn’t stick around to argue about politics.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI most loved this line:
“It will harm the president’s ability to get good information“
“[G]et good information.” ROFLMAO. That Dubya’s such a cut-up. Such a joker. He ought to sit in for Jon Stewart on TDS….
After the Iraq debacle, Dubya’s trying to protect his ability to “get good information”?!?!?
More on my blog.
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmZooey:
Is is going to enforce said subpoenas?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmBring it bitch.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pm[...] The President commenting on Congress’ effort to get to the bottom of the US attorney purge: “‘We will not go along with a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants.’” (link) [...]
March 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pmOh my f*ing Jesus, I can’t believe it! The man’s gonna blow! Run… run for your lives!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pm“Come back here again and I will chop you into little pieces!” The armless, legless dark knight cried.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pm#63 He needs some strong meds from that performance. He really does believe himself to be “above the law”. What a sad performance from someone in the highest office in this country. What a sad fact to realize that he’s someone with such a lack of class, finesse, and self control as to make himself look like a schoolyard bully in a national press conference. The rest of the world must be laughing their asses off as us after they see this performance by Bush. I’m embarassed for all of us.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pmBlueDog:
Independent Counsel investigating the President is CONSTITUTIONALLY different from Congress doing so.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pmMoonbat Frenzy!
Moonbat Frenzy!
Moonbat Frenzy!
Moonbat Frenzy!
Warning run for cover!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmJuan C:
I’m actually 75.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmA few months from now…after Bush has been arrested for refusing to comply with Congressional orders to turn over documents.
The crowd storms the barricades in front of the National Security Agency, enters the archives hidden downstairs, locates Cheney’s secret minutes of the 2001 Energy Conference.
The American people finally learn the truth, that the Bush cabal plotted to lie to Congress and the American people to use our children, our soldiers, to fight a proxy war for the Saudis.
The Bush cabal received billions in secret payments in exchange for sending our children, our soldiers to their deaths.
The outrage is unsurpassed.
The military guard were forced to secret Bush and Cheney away to Guantanamo for protection.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI loved watching Nixon go down. But I think watching Bushco crash and burn is going to be a million times more fun. Gonna buy and big package of marshmallows and put my feet up!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmSubpoena away and if they refuse, they will be held in contempt and slapped into jail – just like any of us.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pmYeah. Bring it on!Why me laugh?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pmJake
I never mentioned guns.
You did.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pm#93 Good – If Jakeoff is really 75 then he’s pretty long in tooth with one foot on a banana peel ….. Good riddance to bad rubbish, eh?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pmRUCerious:
Infringing on Executive Privilege cannot be allowed.
ForTruth:
Thanks — and I’m kicking butt here single-handedly too, don’t forget that!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pm#28 Wayne:
Time to send Reid some love. That’s what we’ve been waiting for for six years: Someone to call that a$$hole on his BS maladministraiton.
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmA few months from now…after Bush has been arrested for refusing to comply with Congressional orders to turn over documents.
The crowd storms the barricades in front of the National Security Agency, enters the archives hidden downstairs, locates Cheney’s secret minutes of the 2001 Energy Conference.
The American people finally learn the truth, that the Bush cabal plotted to lie to Congress and the American people to use our children, our soldiers, to fight a proxy war for the Saudis.
The Bush cabal received billions in secret payments in exchange for sending our children, our soldiers to their deaths.
The outrage is unsurpassed.
The military guard were forced to secret Bush and Cheney away to Guantanamo for protection
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWacko Bush is scared and knows this is the big one. The Justice System requires all to testify under oath or take the 5th. Now Gonzales will be charged with lying under oath because he did lie. Bush now wants all to testify not under oath and behind closed doors as they can freely lie and keep the secrets of illegally firing DOJ lawyers away for the public. I hope Ted Wells is paying attention because the question is did Gonzales refuse to let Fitzgerald charge Rove of his crimes in the CIA case yet let Libby take the fall. I did notice that Fitzgerald 2005 job review was poor yet he was awarded Lawyer of the Year. Bush will be busted as with Nixon the United States is not a Dictatorship. Daddy Bush will have to come in and bail out his idiot son Georgie yet again.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmActually, big papa brought up guns first.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pm#104 Let’s pop some popcorn because this is going to be a good show. Essentially, we’re in a position to view history in the making. Bush is a true side show and his administration is the quintessential “3 ring circus” – this will be very interesting to observe.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmveritas:
The President cannot be arrested! You fool.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmHe should know! He is the “show trial” expert at Gitmo!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI can hear the music from “The Beverly Hillbillies” playing now in the background at the WH.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhen Bush talks about “show trials”, you should listen. After all, he’s an expert on the subject.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pm75? Months perhaps. What unit did you serve in during WWII or Korea Jakers?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pmSome crimes that a special prosecutor might one day look at:
1. Misrepresentations to Congress. The relevant provision, 18 U.S.C. § 1505, is very broad. It is illegal to lie to Congress, and also to “impede†it in getting information. Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty indicated to Congress that the White House’s involvement in firing the United States attorneys was minimal, something that Justice Department e-mail messages suggest to be untrue.
2. Calling the Prosecutors. As part of the Sarbanes-Oxley reforms, Congress passed an extremely broad obstruction of justice provision, 18 U.S.C. § 1512 (c), which applies to anyone who corruptly “obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,†including U.S. attorney investigations.
3. Witness Tampering. 18 U.S.C. § 1512 (b) makes it illegal to intimidate Congressional witnesses. Michael Elston, Mr. McNulty’s chief of staff, contacted one of the fired attorneys, H. E. Cummins, and suggested, according to Mr. Cummins, that if he kept speaking out, there would be retaliation.
4. Firing the Attorneys. United States attorneys can be fired whenever a president wants, but not, as § 1512 (c) puts it, to corruptly obstruct, influence, or impede an official proceeding.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/19/opinion/19mon4.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1174536000&en=47a69d5cd8348721&ei=5087&oref=slogin
March 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pmChildrenofLir
Boy what an imagination u have.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pmGreat fiction/drama
Zooey:
“Is is” = “Who is”
(Dang spell-checker ; )
March 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pm#34 Roger_Roger:
While the Dems have the right to perform these political show trials, Bush shouldn’t lower himself to those standards.
They’re not “show trials”. They’re hearings. If there’s nothing that’s not above-board, there should be no problem in hearing the maladministration out on what they did … ummm … right?
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmBring in the clowns….Yes.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmJake
March 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThe revolution won’t be televised.
Is is going to enforce said subpoenas?
Comment by Jake
You mean “who is” going to enforce the supoenas, Jake?
Frankly, at this point I have no idea. But these criminals need to answer for this corruption, so it will all get figured out, won’t it?
This shit is illegal, Jake, and it’s really sweet to know that you’re ok with that, as long as they can get away with it. You’re just the kind of American that is ruining this country.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmArne:
Do you honestly think the President of the United States can be arrested? Even Ken Starr agreed he could not do that!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:35 pm#103 I fear the truth about the sad facts surrounding the air of contamination of this administration – we do need to see the actual documents of Cheney’s 2001 Energy Conference because herein lies the crux of why we are in such a mess in this country today. That along with a reinvestigation of the myriad of inconsistencies surrounding 911 – the wargames which were taking place on 9/10 and 9/11 and why they were used to confuse the air traffic controllers, etc. There’s sooooo much yet to be revealed but, like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, we will dig for the truth, piece by piece until we understand how this all came about.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:35 pmlol!!! Bush is goading the Democrats into a fight they cannot win. You don’t have the power.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:35 pmI was in a family for more than 26 years that joined Organized Crime only this wasn’t any ordinary Crime System. There’s something unbelievable underneath this mess that is begging to come out. Expect them to fight like hell to keep the mountain of “things” from surfacing. A Dam can leak but sooner or later it’s going to break!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThe President cannot be arrested! You fool.
Comment by Jake
But they can be hanged. We just saw that.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:36 pmSeparation of Powers — it’s in the Constitution, look it up.
Comment by Jake
Nixon and his almost impeachment, look it up.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:36 pmNixon lost in court.
Even Clinton’s advisors had to testify before Congress.
look it up Jake
Jake is backpedaling fast, from “nothing illegal” to “can’t be arrested”.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#115- He can be tried for war crimes and high treason.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmWe need to reverse the Military Commissions Act next and hold BushCo accountable for their Abu Graib war crimes, too. With this recent “showdown” on national television, the people will now stop at nothing and will demand investigations into everything this administration has done from it’s stolen elections to the present….and everything in between because our trust has been squandered by them and respect for the entire lot is gone.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmIt doesn’t matter what GWB says… Time is up for these idiots. However, I think America and the world is in deep shit, because of these dimwits.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmi’ve been calling the senators on the judiciary and also john conyers office to say:
THEY MUST TESTIFY … UNDER OATH … NO EXCEPTIONS.
ROVE AND MEIRS, ALL OF THEM, THEY MUST BE UNDER OATH.
8 6 6 . 2 2 0 . 0 0 4 4
here is a list of senate judiciary members:
March 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmhttp://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm
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Actually, big papa brought up guns first.
Comment by Jake #113
…what can I say…
…I’m an avid sportsman…
…the ONE thing I have in common…
…with L’il Dick…
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pmmrjj:
Too bad the Independent Counsel statute expired after Starr, huh?
Childrenof Lir:
No one is going to “revolt” as long as I have breath in my body.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pmFrom the Boston Globe, 2005:
But the agenda was different during the Clinton administration. The government reform panel alone, for example, issued 1,052 subpoenas related to investigations of the Clinton administration and the Democratic National Committee from 1997 to 2002, and only 11 subpoenas related to allegations of Republican abuse.
The panel received more than 2 million pages of documents and heard from 44 Clinton administration officials, including two White House chiefs of staff, according to statistics culled by Democratic staff on the Government Reform Committee.
Let’s just keep some of this in mind, Bush cultists, before you get your panties in a bunch about “executive privilege.”
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pmSpudger, did you notice flaccido didn’t respond when I asked him if he knew who Salome was.
Thump that Bible, but don’t take the time to read it.
Comment by RUCerious
Hey u guys bible scholars too wow!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pmLet’s see Jakers would have been about 20 or so at the outset of the Korean Conflict. What unit were you with Jakers?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pmBush likes to remind himself all the time that he cannot be arrested. It’s his favorite part about being the Preznit. He even inserts that line into jokes all day. “And I can’t be arrested” heh, heh, heh.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pm#47 Jake:
Separation of Powers is NOT absurd legal acrobatics.
Tell that to Nixon (or Fred Fielding, I suppose, since Nixon’s dead but ol’ Fred’s been resurrected for this kind of thing). See U.S. v. Nixon.
You might also note what happened when Starr got going….
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pmZoe, Jake is the quintessential slimebag. With each of his statements, we get a clearer picture of precisely what his “schtick” is all about. He’s delusional at best; psychotic at worst. No sense for anyone intelligent to have direct dialogue with a psycho.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pm“Come back here again and I will chop you into little pieces!†The armless, legless dark knight cried.
Comment by tablogloid
“It’s just a flesh wound.”
March 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pm;)
> What Bush did wasn’t even a crime regardless of his reasons.
> Comment by Roger_Roger
Your Leichengehorsam to the Prez is admirable. The Leader’s Will shall prevail, whatever the reason? But of course.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThik about it. This is just a prelude to the beautiful legal situation that will occur on January 20, 2009, shortly after Al Gore and Wes Clark are sworn in. Agents of the United Nations will walk on the stage at the capitol, put Bush and Cheney in cuffs and leg irons, march them off the stage and out to Dulles where they will be flown overnight to Amsterdam. On arrival they will be transferred to Den Hague where they will await the first day of their War Crime trials.
Dumbya’s legal worries have only just begun (with apologies to the Carpenters).
I get giddy just thinking about it.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThere is a massive call bank occurring right now countrywide for either the under oath, public testimony of these criminals or the ouster of the entire Bush Administration. Get one the phones tonight, call everyone you know, and get the word out ASAP that this guy has just ignited a direct conflict with the american people and the american way of life.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:40 pmZooey and VerbalKint:
I’m not admitting anything they did was illegal, but even assuming it was (called a hypothetical where I come from), no one can arrest the President of the United States anyways. All you’ve got is impeachment — is that back “on the table” now?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pmCongress should invite Fitgerald to conduct the questioning.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pmveritas:
Who are you calling? Congressional offices are closed (or maybe you missed the time change?).
March 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pmIf the President refuses the order to turn over documents based on subpoena – he can be arrested Jake.
This is what dopes like you don’t understand.
Nixon came to the brink of this point, and he resigned rather than push the COnstitutional crisis that would result. No President has ever refused the authority of the the Congress and the Supreme Court and refused to follow an order
Should Bush refuse, he would be subject to immediate impeachement. At some point, should he refuse to honor the decision of the Congress, whenever that point comes, he would have to be arrested.
This has never happened before. But you wouldn’t get that Jake. You’re too ignorant.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:42 pmBenDover:
At least you agree that Bush cannot be arrested before then, right? I remember Pat Buchanan saying he would do the same thing to Clinton had he won too . . .
March 20th, 2007 at 6:42 pm> Do you honestly think the President of the United States can be
> arrested? Even Ken Starr agreed he could not do that!
> Comment by Jake
That’s right. So shortly before, he has to be relieved of his office. Is this so hard to understand?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:42 pmCmon Jakers you can take one minute to let us all know where you spent the Korean Conflict years, can’t you. I can’t imagine a patriot such as yourself not having served in the military…
March 20th, 2007 at 6:42 pmWOO HOO!! Hopefully, now that the President has told Congress to go pound sand on subpoenas, we can really see what a bunch of impotent cowards they are . . .
Your move.
Comment by Jake
Of course had this been about a certain extra-marital affairsinvolving a certain past Democratic President, it would be a whole different matter now wouldn’t it.
HYPOCRITE.
Doesn’t make any difference, he will lose on this one.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pm#79 Jake:
Separation of Powers — it’s in the Constitution, look it up.
Uh, where?!? Couldn’t find it in my Constitution. You living on Uranus or sumptin’?
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pm#136 The scales have been tipped in such a direction of darkness that three honest presidents will not be able to undo the damage done by this cadre of criminals. This is unfortunate – but accurate. Their insidious poison has now permeated all aspects of american life, our image abroad, and our future success. They’be been spewing their poisonous reach into the DOJ in order to contaminate what should be an autonomous branch of this government. Prior to this new congress (of the people), they’d contaminated that branch of the tripod of our democracy which is precisely why the damage has reached unprecedented proportions. It will take a Herculean or superhuman to come in here and clean up the disaster they will leave in their wake.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pmJake sez:
I can’t believe what I’m reading.
Jake, this is criminally stupid, even for you.
Are you seriously suggesting that Chimpy and his gang can just ignore subpeonas? That they need not concern themselves with them, because no one can force them to conform to the rule of law?
Is this seriously what this country has come to?
Jake, if this is truly your position…if you truly support the idea of a band of sociopaths hijacking this country and declaring themselves above the law…then don’t be surprised at what comes next. If you deny the people legal means of redressing grievances, they will find another way.
This is America. It’s been a while since we fought for and won our freedom, but we still remember how to deal with tyrants.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pmBUSH, GO F*CK YOURSELF!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pmEver hear of answering machines, dweeb?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pmBluedog49,
Great couple of posts.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pmToo bad the knowledge is wasted on jake.
#152. Once again Jake is sucking slough water. He knows not how Congressional offices work. Call the number Jake. Voice your Republic Party talking pionts. There will be someone there to listen to your drivel.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pmHa ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pmProbably Lavoisier said the same thing. What a load of crap. But thanks, anyway.
I’m not telling you, RUCerious.
Arne — as long as you agree the President cannot be arrested, I’m fine with taking the other chances.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:44 pm#48 I think your scenario may be prophetic, indeed! I’ve heard that Al Gore is waiting in the wings and is the dark horse in this race….of course, Wes Clark will be highlighted as one of the “enlightened ones” who were not stupid and derelect enough to give this yingyang a Yes vote on Iraq…..
March 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmNo one is going to “revolt†as long as I have breath in my body.
Jake, even the amount of wind you have won’t protect you from what’s going to come down if the President refuses to do what’s he’s ordered to do by the people’s representatives.
jake, go back to your Hitler bunker
March 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmJake,
Pay attention! I NEVER said the “president” needs to be arrested. I said subpoenas need to be issued for those staff members Bush offering up in the “deal.”
GOT IT?
Don’t admit anything is illegal, Jake, we all know what you are. I don’t know why any of us gives you the time of day.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmJake….the “president” can be impeached. That is the best and final resolution for the misery that bastard has caused our constitution and the world. Should you not agree, I recommend you call Rush for more talking points.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmJPV:
Congress investigating the Executive branch is a bit different than the Independent Counsel do so. Let me know if you don’t understand the difference between the two.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:46 pmOne more time: 44 Clinton administration officials, including two White House chiefs of staff were forced to testify in the five years between 1997 and 2002.
Why are trolls acting like these kinds of things are unprecidented and strange? It’s almost as if someone tells them what to say and they don’t really look at the facts or history backing up their statements.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:46 pm#158 We’ve been attempting to educate our resident idiots on constitutional law all day but it’s hopeless. You simply can’t polish a turd any more than you can wish one had an average intelligence quotient. Sad, but true.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:46 pmYep. Reaad the whole thing, front to back cover and was raised Christian my entire life. It is why I find it to be a really great book with some great ideology you guys should start to follow. Things like how Jesus said you should treat your fellow man.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pmHey Ben….It’s not slough water….it’s outhouse water! hahahah!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#115 Jake,
Any American who breaks the law, including ALL government officials, can be arrested. We are a nation of laws and no one is above the law or immune to it.
Either dementia has set in or you are just the most ignorant and outlandishly stupid 75 year old on the planet. My guess is that you are just a farce trying to usurp the respect traditionally given to elders in order to lend credibility to your asinine assertions.
Imagine someone living through the heinousness of WWII era dictators and oppressive regimes only to later profess that the president of the United States has, and should have, dictatorial powers. If it weren’t such a serious subject it would actually be hilarious.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pm“The president cannot be arrested.”
That statement is profoundly unamerican.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#167. Cross your fingers and toes and eyes that it happens. Just think of the standing the United States will regain in the world community with two highly educated and articulate and passionate people running the show – again.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pmJake the windbag is going to put his body in front of Bush’s to protect Bush from the will of the people. now that will be a sight to behold and smell.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWhen will Democrats learn. Only Bush knows the facts and only Bush knows what is relevant and according to the law. If congress cares about getting to the bottom of this issue then they should let Bush decide what is relevant information and what isn’t, what is fact and what isn’t and they should just trust that he is telling the god’s honest truth all the time. There doesn’t need to be any swearing in.
If Bush thinks this is working then he’s dumber than even the biggest leftie could have imagined.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe people’s representatives do not have the power to force testimony from the President or his senior advisors. Sorry. You lose.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmCriminal Law and Constitutional Law are certainly not the forte of any of our resident trolls but we’ve come to understand how profoundly mentally handicapped they are.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmPoor little Frat Boy Bush. He’s being put on the spot.
His cadre of ReichWingNutBootLickers are no longer in power. Now he might, just might, have to face up to some of the many illegal things he’s done.
ITMFA now!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmACCOUNTABILITY… YES!!! that’s what Congress must demand from Bush… no weasling out of it this time… Bush is pissed because he knows this is serious business… by all accounts, he expected the offer to be accepted… so sorry to disappoint you, Mr. President…
there is no “impasse” to speak of… Bush doesn’t really have a say in what Congress does here… years of Republicant corruption and the ‘06 election are coming home to roost…
March 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmDude, I wouldn’t even have to break a sweat knock your dumb ass over.
Next thing you would hear from Jake:
“I’ve got knocked over by a liberal and I can’t get up.”
March 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmJoke, you’re not kicking butt, you’re kissing Bush’s ass. What makes you think that the President can’t be arrested? NO ONE is above the law in the United States. If you’re really 75, then you should know better, which is why I don’t believe you for a second. From your words and beliefs, you’ve got to be a Young Republican. You don’t have enough ‘life’ (or anything else) under your belt.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:49 pm#127 Jake:
Do you honestly think the President of the United States can be arrested? Even Ken Starr agreed he could not do that!
This isn’t the first time I’ve had to admonish you on this type of thing. I never said any such thing, nor did I suggest it. I told you before to learn to read. Now I think you’re just too stoopid to read….
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:49 pmPS: it’s not partisan… Republicants are calling for Gonzales to resign… nice try there, Bushie!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:49 pmAre those (in laws) ur cousins too?
Comment by Flaco
I KNOW you don’t have the nerve to bring up inbreeding. That is the Republican base!!!!:D
March 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmArne re: # 158
Article I – Legislative branch
Article II – Executive branch
Is your Constitution numbered differently?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmJake, a King cannot be arrested. An Emperor can’t be arrested. A “Supreme Leader” or possibly a “Dear Leader” probably cannot be arrested. A Dictator is usually above arrest. I’m guessing the Pope cannot technically be arrested.
But a President? You need to go back to high school history and civics, man. This is the U.S. of A. Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it can’t happen.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI vill ignore your subpoenas, you swinehunds.
Bush heard suddenly speaking in a heavy German accent.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmZooey sez:
Considering his recent attempt at humor (rape joke), I commend you for even acknowledging the slimeball, Zooey. You’re clearly the better mammal here.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmPeople like the Trolls who frequent this site are the source of what’s wrong in Amerika today.
They are the ones who live in fear.
They are the ones who try to spread their fear.
They are the ones who do not ever want to be held accountable for any potential wrongdoing.
They are the ones who have brought this country to it’s knees.
They are the ones who have enabled the Chief Enabler Himself.
No accountability? That’s what’s wrong with Trolls and ReichWingNutBushBots.
ITMFA now!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmveritas:
The President cannot be arrested! You fool.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
“If the president does it, that means it’s not illegal.” – Richard Nixon
March 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pmJake hates America. Why?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by katy #137
Thanks for that switchboard number katy…
…I called my state Senators AND Congressman Conyer’s staff person Cynthia…
…and left messages…
…BOY do I feel GREAT!
…I LOVE Democracy…
March 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmSorry. You lose.
Comment by Jake
You are the worst American since George W. Bush et al.
Understand that, old man.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmsome great ideology you guys should start to follow. Things like how Jesus said you should treat your fellow man.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
What was that one story about log in Spudgies eye?
Ideology is that word in the bible?
U might be thinking of Marx, Lenin, not sure?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmFlaco: “Hey u guys bible scholars too wow!!!”
That’s right! And, here’s one of my favorites. You could do worse than read it and consider:
“And when you pray, be not like the hypocrites, who affect to pray standing in the assemblies, and at the corners of the streets, that men may observe them. Indeed, I say to you, they have received their reward. But you, when you would pray, retire to your closet; and having shut the door, pray to your Father; and your Father, to whom, though he is unseen himself, nothing is secret, will recompense you.â€
-Matthew
March 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIf Jake really is 75, well. Just give him time…
March 20th, 2007 at 6:54 pmFor those interested…it is now 6:55 pm Eastern Daylight Time here in DC….the Senate Committee on the Judiciary number 202- 224- 7703 has been busy for the last 18 minutes.
Contrary to Jake speaking about things (once again) of which he has no knowledge, the Committee is still there. Try getting trough. Leave a message asking Senator Leahy to subpeona the bastards before sunrise tomorrow.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:54 pmZooey; f*ck arresting Bush, I’m thinking guillotine. You know, King Louie and Marie Antoinette getting shortened, after the revolution. Time to storm the Bastille.
Still having some bus-lag, so I bid you adieu.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:55 pmAnd the trolls continue to plod forward, dullwitted and slow, like the zombies in Night of the Living Dead.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:55 pmArne:
That is why I included a “question mark” [it looks a little like this: ? ] As you can see, several others here believed the President could be arrested as well. No need to feel bad if you thought that too.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:55 pmNo one is going to “revolt†as long as I have breath in my body.
Bwahahahahahahah… sure, sure whatever you say.
“But out of the gobbledygook, comes a very clear thing: [unclear] you can’t trust the government; you can’t believe what they say; and you can’t rely on their judgment; and the – the implicit infallibility of presidents, which has been an accepted thing in America, is badly hurt by this, because it shows that people do things the President wants to do even though it’s wrong, and the President can be wrong.†— H.R. Haldeman to President Nixon, Monday, 14 June 1971, 3:09 p.m. meeting. (Source)
March 20th, 2007 at 6:55 pmJake: “The people’s representatives do not have the power to force testimony from the President or his senior advisors.”
On 47 separate occassions, members of the Clinton administration were forced to testify under oath before congress. Clinton himself was forced to sit in depositions about personal sexual activities. What the hell are you even talking about?
March 20th, 2007 at 6:56 pmThe President can argue that he wants private closed door hearings because he is trying to protect national security.
Its a load of hogwash, but at least it has some level of logic to it.
But there is only ONE reason for refusing to testify under oath.
And that reason is so they can lie.
If anyone has a better one, I’m all ears.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:56 pmConsidering his recent attempt at humor (rape joke), I commend you for even acknowledging the slimeball, Zooey. You’re clearly the better mammal here.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Thanks, Trip. Actually, I’m done with that stupid old man.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:56 pmHe’s not worth spitting on.
Hey u guys bible scholars too wow!!!
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
He card read good! (there’s a Simpsons line for every occasion!)
March 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#170 Ben Dover:
Jake….the “president†can be impeached. That is the best and final resolution for the misery that bastard has caused our constitution and the world.
Actually, that’s just the start. On on impeachment, and conviction by the Senate, the President is removed from office. Once removed, he’s just a private citizen, and then subject to arrest and prosecution for any crimes committed. And once removed from office, he is no longer head of anything (including the DoJ and the military). He’s on his own then. Best solution would be a trip to some country that has no extradition treaty with the U.S. … and then ask for asylum.
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pmArticle I – Legislative branch
Article II – Executive branch
Is your Constitution numbered differently?
Comment by Jake
forgot one Jake
Articles of Impeachment – Article III
March 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pmHe’s a uniter, not a divider. It is time to fight. For all the trolls here, sources close to the source tell us that Ann Coulter gets an orgasm by cramming a couple of those aWol winnin’ the war dolls up her ass. Why don’t you give it a try. Do you some good.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pmArticle I – Legislative branch
Article II – Executive branch
Is your Constitution numbered differently?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
I’m glad you know that Article I is the legislative branch. Most conservatives believe that the founders thought the executive branch was the most important.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:59 pmJake – are you a glutton for punishment? Why do you come here?
You Sir, are an ignoramous of epic proportions.
The Authority to arrest a President or a Tyrant by any other name, resides in the People. It is stated eloquently in our Declaration of Independence, and I direct you to this specific quote, which I think will illustrate to you the seriousness of the situation, growing daily in this country. This is no game Jake.
Pick your side carefully, Jake. Right now, you are on the WRONG side.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:59 pmBlueDog and the rest of you who think the President can be arrested for defying Congressional subpoenas — good luck with that at the ROBERTS Supreme Court BTW — you can read more here:
In 1973, the Department concluded that the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions. We have been asked to summarize and review the analysis provided in support of that conclusion, and to consider whether any subsequent developments in the law lead us today to reconsider and modify or disavow that determination. We believe that the conclusion reached by the Department in 1973 still represents the best interpretation of the Constitution . . .
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm
March 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI perused this whole thread and didn’t see a single justification of Karl Rove testifying without being under oath.
Jakey? Flaccid? RogerX2? Anyone got an answer for that one?
Why is the condition “under oath” a sticking point with the Bush administration? It couldn’t be that they think they might get caught in a LIE, could it?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pmThis is great. Some really good issues are at play here. It will be very interesting how it plays out.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pm*
March 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pm“that’s not precedence … that’s Watergate.” -rachel maddow
…
The video of Bush’s news conference is up on MSNBC -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17702224/
How do the reporters manage to keep themselves from laughing?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pmJoke makes me miss Exley.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pmIn other news, Dennis Kucinich is asking Americans if we will support a call for impeachment:
http://kucinich.us/node/3696
March 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pmwayne:
You think “Articles of Impeachment” are in Article III? Of the UNITED STATES Constitution? Maybe Nat can help you.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pmConsidering his recent attempt at humor (rape joke)…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Forgive me, I haven’t been here for 2 days. He did what?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmAnd we’re supposed to believe he’s 75?
Pffpt!
Nat:
Not me — I’ve read my Federalist Papers too ; )
March 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmBen Dover and all, call the number, leave a message like I did, back the supoenas and also ask for impeachment at the end of your message….
Hug some one you love and do something for your country….Blessings…Thank’s Ben.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pm#211. Thanks Arne. I completely forgot about his vulnerability once a private citizen. You just put a huge smile on my face!! And I’m still trying to get through to the Judiciary Committee.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmSupreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia ruled that Clinton could be forced to testify under oath. Remember, Bush cultists? He said something like, “if he’s got time for a round of golf, he’s got time to testify.”
March 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmOh, oh. Bush plays a lot of golf.
Arne Langsetmo sez:
Dubai springs to mind, unfortunately…
March 20th, 2007 at 7:03 pmThat is why I included a “question mark†[it looks a little like this: ? ] As you can see, several others here believed the President could be arrested as well. No need to feel bad if you thought that too.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
-I don’t think most people know that.
-This is the reason why Fitzgerald won’t go after Cheney. Congress has to do it.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:03 pmBlowhard Chimpy’s gettin’ tough. He’s gonna get out his megaphone and lead a fascist cheer. oooooooOOO… hang on to your skirts rightards…
March 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pmI’m serious.
Someone explain to me what POSSIBLE reason the President could give for offering private testimony as long as its “NOT UNDER OATH”.
:|
If someone offers to testify as long as they don’t have to swear that their answers are true, its pretty much a given that they are planning to lie, right?
I mean, its like a no brainer at that point, isn’t it?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pmI believe it will be up to the Supreme Court whether the subpoenas are legal and enforceable. If the court says yes, I don’t think that the administration can ignore the subpoenas. Were Bush to personally defy a subpoena, the remedy would be impeachment, but the rest of the gang can simply be arrested.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
What Supreme Court Case decided that? Without a citation, YOU LOSE!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pm#190 Jake:
Article I – Legislative branch
Article II – Executive branch
Rrrrrriiiggggt. And never the twain shall meet, eh? The prez gets to d what he wants, and Congress gets t do what they want, and neither can gainsay the other (nor can the Judiciary say anything about them), eh?
Amasingly enough, Article I talks about the preznit (§ 7), and Article II about Congress (§ 1-3).
But, still, the question remains: Where does it talk about “separation of powers”?
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pmSmack:
Bush is leaving office on January 20, 2009, right? Keep reading the Declaration of Independence and let me know how it would have applied if they knew King George I was stepping down in less than 2 short years . . .
KRank:
The condition of “under oath†is a sticking point because Congress does not have the power to compel the President or his advisors to testify — see Separation of Powers and Executive Privilege — regardless of whether they think they might get caught in a LIE. Next question?
Dennis:
No thanks.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pm“According to the Congressional Research Service, under President Clinton, 31 of his top aides testified on 47 different occasions. The aides who testified included some of Clinton’s closest advisors:
In contrast, between 2000 and 2004, Bush allowed only one of his closest advisers, then-Assistant to the President for Homeland Security Tom Ridge, to appear in front of Congress. He has also refused three invitations from Congress for his aides to testify, a first since President Richard Nixon in 1972. Clinton did not refuse any.”
March 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmAnother nixon moment!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmYou think “Articles of Impeachment†are in Article III? Of the UNITED STATES Constitution? Maybe Nat can help you.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
He can look that up himself.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pm“Article I – Legislative branch
Article II – Executive branch
Is your Constitution numbered differently?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:50 pm”
Yeah so freaking what??????
There are THREE bodies to our government AND NOT ONE IS MORE POWERFUL then the other. Not one can BREAK the law!
What’s your point? That because there is a “Executive branch” that that means the President has ANY power he wants without being questioned or investigated???
WRONG!
Then by your analogy, Cunningham should have NEVER been sent to jail!!!! Ney should still be free!!!!! Delay should have the case dropped against him!!!
This is by YOUR view of how our government works!!!!
WRONG!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmJake, a great repubican speaks to you from beyond the grave:
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official…”
~Theodore Roosevelt
March 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmNat:
Could you help Bluedog49 then? He won’t believe me.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmMarch 20th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
IF they couldn’t force testimony of the Prez, why didn’t Bubba get out of it then?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:08 pmVerbalKint:
A case can be made that the Vice President cannot be arrested either.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:09 pmForgive me, I haven’t been here for 2 days. He did what?
And we’re supposed to believe he’s 75?
Pffpt!
Comment by trueblue
Yes true, he did that. He’s a disgusting and demented old man. There’s a thread about the FDA restoring funding to the Office of Women’s Health, it’s a couple days old. It’s copied there.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:09 pmArticle 1, section 3 jako
typos happen =P
The Constitution, Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
The Constitution, Article I, Section 3:
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:10 pmI think Bush has laid down the gauntlet and it’s time for him to be subpoened as well. I’d like to know if he unilaterally declassified Valerie Plame’s status and if so, why. I’d like to know if he fired federal prosecutors as a way to stop investigations which would be blatant obstruction of justice. I’d like to know why he mentioned the uranium in his SOFU when he had been advised that the info was based on forged documents.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:11 pmI perused this whole thread and didn’t see a single justification of Karl Rove testifying without being under oath.
Jakey? Flaccid? RogerX2? Anyone got an answer for that one?
Why is the condition “under oath†a sticking point with the Bush administration? It couldn’t be that they think they might get caught in a LIE, could it?
Comment by KRank
It is a game – u know dog and pony show for the Demoncrats.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:11 pmExecutive Privilege is not in the Constitution.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWhat Supreme Court Case decided that? Without a citation, YOU LOSE!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Thank goodness you’re here. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 7:13 pm“Were Bush to personally defy a subpoena, the remedy would be impeachment, but the rest of the gang can simply be arrested.
Comment by VerbalKint — March 20, 2007 @ 7:05 pm”
But then after the impeachment trial and he was found GUILTY, then the courts would have their shot at trying him for failure to uphold the subpeana and he too would then go to jail…..
It’s a win-win situation.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:13 pmThanks, Zooey.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:14 pmGuess I’m off to the sewer of jake’s mind to read this “joke”
“According to the Congressional Research Service, under President Clinton, 31 of his top aides testified on 47 different occasions.
In contrast, between 2000 and 2004, Bush allowed only one of his closest advisers, then-Assistant to the President for Homeland Security Tom Ridge, to appear in front of Congress. He has also refused three invitations from Congress for his aides to testify, a first since President Richard Nixon in 1972. Clinton did not refuse any”.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:14 pmNeo-Cons = Al-qaeda
March 20th, 2007 at 7:14 pmJake = annoying Chihuahua that won’t shut up.
Flaco: “Look at the comments Bluedog and tell me again about Jesus?”
I cited Matthew, dumbass. If you’ve got a problem with Matthew, you’ve got a problem with Jesus.
And Jake or Nat or whomever: where on earth do you get the idea that the President or ANY elected representative of the people is above the law? Are you trying to argue that the pres could murder someone and not be arrested???!! Get serious. This is a representative republic. The people are supposed to be in charge, not the representatives.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:14 pmCould you help Bluedog49 then? He won’t believe me.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
Try to be more convincing.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmI’d like Cheney’s energy committee minutes declassified so we would have the proof that Bush et al conspired to undermine the security of the US for money.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmAlberto VO5 must have told Chimpy that Executive Privilege is in the Constitution.
After all, he’s Chimpy’s Constitutional expert. He thinks Habeus Corpus does not appear in the Constitution.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmJake said on March 20, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
I’m actually 75.
Geez, Jake, just a week or two ago you announced an IQ of 86. Better fix that air bleed valve. That grey matter is dripping out fast.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmIdeology:
I would call Jesus’ sermons visionary for their time. He definitely had concepts about human life. He spoke a lot about the content of thinking for individuals and groups and he was pushing a sociopolitical program.
So, yeah. Jesus was pushing an ideology.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:16 pmjust add haliburton, blackwater, choice point, accomplices. Ya don’t even need to turn the soil, the mission is totally subversive and unhealthfully guilty.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:16 pmShout and dig!
As a teacher of the American Revolution I firmly believe that, had the Colonists known King George would have been stepping down from the throne in two years, they would have rebelled anyway. Oppression came not only from the King, but from Parliament. And, there would have been no way to predict whether George’s successor would have treated the Colonies any better.
Jake, your lack of knowledge about the Constituion, Constitutional Doctrines and American History become more apparent with every post.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:16 pmIt would not be a hard stretch to prove treason.
Aiding the enemy -
Saudi Arabia was the origin of the 911 hijackers.
The CIA and Mossad knew what the hijackers were up to prior to 911 and said nothing.
Bush and Cheney took money from the Saudis to use 911 as a pretence to invade Iraq, a stepping stone to Saudi takeover of IRan and Syria. The reward for selling our soldiers to the Saudis was control of the oil.
With documents in hand, Bush and Cheney’s behavior could be proved to be treasonous.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pm“You think “Articles of Impeachment†are in Article III? Of the UNITED STATES Constitution? Maybe Nat can help you.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm”
Just what in the world does it matter WHERE it is in the Constitution?? So then I guess none of the Ammendments matter because they don’t fall under Article I????
You make absolutley ZERO sense!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThe Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.
Article 1, Section 3, United States Constitution
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/articles.html
I wonder how the Republic Party members present will spin this?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:18 pmTPers are interested in revenge and payback for Clinton scandel and the last two stolen elections. Only spilled blooded will satify their hatred. They have become what they have thru bitterness becoming rage. Look at the comments Bluedog and tell me again about Jesus?
Comment by Flaco
That’s the way you idiots think, Flaco, not us. If Your King and his Court hadn’t commited any crime, we wouldn’t be doing this now, and you wouldn’t be so worried. It’s not us or you, it’s THE COUNTRY.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:18 pmA case can be made that the Vice President cannot be arrested either.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
I don’t think he can be arrested either. There was one case (I forget who it was) where a state indicted a sitting Vice President but he avoided being arrested by staying out of the state.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:19 pmFor those doubters out there, if you saw Bush’s speech in let’s say a movie, would you expect good things to happen for speaker? Or would expect bad things to happen for speaker?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmA president who murdered someone would have to be impeached, and convicted, before he could be arrested. That’s right, Bluedog49:
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm
March 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmChildrenofLir
> I vill ignore your subpoenas, you swinehunds.
> Bush heard suddenly speaking in a heavy German accent.
LOL Blitzwolf!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pm#252
Bluedog
Can I quote u on that?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmAnybody who is a Repuke cannot be a Christian.
They are mutually exclusive.
Who Would Jesus Torture?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pm“No one is going to “revolt†as long as I have breath in my body.”
– Comment by Jake
We can take care of that.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pmRemoveBush:
He already admitted it was a typo.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pmActually, big papa brought up guns first.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Actually Jake nobody threatened anybody. They said that if there is no justice they will take to the streets. Now your saying Americans aren’t allowed to take to the streets to protest.
Is that what you’re saying. Because if we are no longer allowed to protest peacefully than we are in deeper trouble, and so are you.
And as far as you saying you’re kicking but here – I got here late and am just catching up but you sound about as tough as an armless wrestler. I haven’t seen one legitimate post from you yet.
Now I am going back to my troll-free status.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pmWe need another revolution, to declare our indepence from King George the TURD.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pmFlaco admits the last 2 Prezidunceshill elections were stolen. Totally cool. I think I like Flaco a little tiny bit now.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pmNat, is there a cogent argument that anyone is above the law? Where in the entire Federalist Papers would you find such an argument? Is there a Supreme Court judgment saying such? Jake seems to be laboring under the opinion that you can help me out here. I’m waiting.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pmWell, Briseadh na Faire, good thing none of the other conditions that existed 231 years ago exist today — you are aware that the Democrats CONTROL Congress right?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pm257
So, yeah. Jesus was pushing an ideology.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Spudgie did they not straighten u out here at TP.
Jesus is not real. TPers here must really like u here to put up with that nonsense huh?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmTPers are interested in revenge and payback for Clinton scandel and the last two stolen elections. [blah blah] Jseus
Muaha. Two things: 1) Clinton? Couldn’t care less 2) so the elections were indeed stolen? Maybe there are more to come? 3) Oh no! An invocation of “teh Jesus”
March 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmRepukes, from Chimpy on down, do not follow Jesus.
They follow the Antichrist, who is probably Cheney.
These Rapture Repukes are going to get us all nuked.
They are dangerous criminals and must be stopped.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmOff topic I know, but I have been saving this one for Roger Rabbit for a while now. I am having a lot of trouble posting and so I thought if I threw it into the mix, regulars would know what to do next time they see him:
From September 22, 2006, Roger Rabbit attacks Al Gore:
Roger… are you still on this tack? Here’s where you were yesterday…
…. with this gem (which I would love to see where the DOE says that, please help me), you really are struggling to be taken seriously this week Rog sez:
Most are also getting out of Oil right now as it looks to be heading back down to around $40 per barrel and around $1.15 per gallon for gas by spring or says the Department of Energy
You missed my polite question on the other Branson thread, Rog, so here’s your second chance…
Roger – please tell me where this comes from – not just the Department of Energy. Here’s what I found on the DOE’s website:
The average retail price of regular motor gasoline fell from $3.04 per gallon on August 7, 2006, to $2.62 per gallon on September 11, 2006, and is expected to fall to an average of $2.55 per gallon in January 2007 before rising again into next summer.
In 2006 and 2007, the WTI crude oil spot price is projected to average around $70 per barrel (West Texas Intermediate Crude Oil Price). Retail regular gasoline prices are projected to average about $2.65 per gallon in both 2006 and 2007 ( Gasoline and Crude Oil Prices).
For gasoline to be at $1.15, the price of oil would need to be below $20 a barrel…..
I hope for your sake, you are not budgeting your ARM mortgage payments with your gasoline savings.
Please lay off the mind-altering stuff, Rog.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 22, 2006 @ 12:48 pm
I guess we know why Roger’s head is up his ass now – he’s looking for some more ‘facts’ to share with us.
Back to your pummeling of Mr Joke. Thanks much.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmThe petulant boy-king is as defiant as ever.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmCornered and unable to find an exit, he stomps his feet and says NO.
Someone give him a time out.
Flaco, you can quote me anytime you like and you don’t even need my permission. Now, again, Clinton administration officials including Chiefs of Staff, were forced to testify before congress at least 47 times. Is your position that Bush should be held to a different standard than presidents before him?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmSo, shane, I suppose stonehinge did not just post: “We can take care of that” and no one above brought up the French Revolution or the guillotine either?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmSpudgie,
March 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmDid Jeesuz tell u to join the Army to go to war and kill people?
Flaco admits the last 2 Prezidunceshill elections were stolen. Totally cool. I think I like Flaco a little tiny bit now.
Comment by ForTruth — March 20, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
I caught that too. Funny little troll.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnd Jake or Nat or whomever: where on earth do you get the idea that the President or ANY elected representative of the people is above the law? Are you trying to argue that the pres could murder someone and not be arrested???!! Get serious. This is a representative republic. The people are supposed to be in charge, not the representatives.
Comment by Bluedog49 — March 20, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
I’m not saying he is above the law. What I’m saying to you is that only the Congress can indict him while he is the sitting president. If the president murders someone, of course the Congress will indict him and remove him from office so he can then be tried in a court of law.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:26 pmtom3, lets march!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:27 pm#281 – The petulant boy-king is as defiant as ever.
Cornered and unable to find an exit, he stomps his feet and says NO.
Someone give him a time out.
Well said. Perhaps a long lasting time out with a noose around his neck? Treason has it’s price.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:27 pmFlaco admits the last 2 Prezidunceshill elections were stolen. Totally cool. I think I like Flaco a little tiny bit now.
Comment by ForTruth
Thanks, Truth. I forgot to address that part. Oy. :}
March 20th, 2007 at 7:29 pmBill or Rights Article 10. Reserved powers
THe powers not delegated to the United States by the Consitution nor prohitited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, OR TO THE PEOPLE
If the military won’t arrest Bush after he is impeached for refusing to obey Congressional authority, then the people have the right to arrest him.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:30 pmThe problem is that Chimpy DOES think he is above the law.
He talks to God and God talks back to him.
Chimpy believes he has dictatorial Unitary Executive powers.
And he thinks he can violate the law because he answers to a higher power.
Religious whackos are dangerous when they get any power.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:30 pmF YOU CHIMPEY Bush!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:31 pmNat, is there a cogent argument that anyone is above the law? Where in the entire Federalist Papers would you find such an argument? Is there a Supreme Court judgment saying such? Jake seems to be laboring under the opinion that you can help me out here. I’m waiting.
Comment by Bluedog49 — March 20, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
No one is above the law. The president can either be removed from office by the Congress and then prosecuted in a court of law or he can be prosecuted when he leaves office.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:31 pm#282
March 20th, 2007 at 7:31 pmNo same standards.
President Bush is not above the law.
#291 That’s not God answering the Chimpya; it’s textbook schizophrenia!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:33 pmNat: “What I’m saying to you is that only the Congress can indict him while he is the sitting president.”
Thanks for the clarification, but I’m still a bit dubious. If a president was visiting an American city, got drunk and accidentally shot someone, are you saying local police would not have the authority to arrest him? I don’t think there is anything in the constitution which would prevent that arrest.
It is, however, a moot point. But, I’m glad you agree that he is not above the law.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:34 pmGonzo must be giving bush his keen-o advice on how to stay in office.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:35 pmIf the president murders someone, of course the Congress will indict him and remove him from office so he can then be tried in a court of law.
Comment by Nat #286
…this son-of-a-pig…
…has mass murdered HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS!
…he’s going to be tried in the court of KARMA…
…just like those demented devotees and sycophants…
…who worship/support him…
…bring on the FROGS!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI never said that Bush was above the law either.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pm#225 I love it! Alberto VO5! His hair certainly looks like he uses that or pure lacquer on it. How apropos, indeed!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pm“A president who murdered someone would have to be impeached, and convicted, before he could be arrested. That’s right, Bluedog49:
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:20 pm”
Ohhh Jake……. You just make this too damn easy!!!!!
From YOUR very document!
The OLC memorandum further explained that if the text of the Impeachment Judgment Clause barred the criminal prosecution of a sitting President, then the same text would necessarily bar the prosecution of all other “civil officers” during their tenure in office. The constitutional practice since the Founding, however, has been to prosecute and even imprison civil officers other than the President while they were still in office and prior to their impeachment. See, e.g., id. at 4-7 (cataloguing cases). In addition, the conclusion that the Impeachment Judgment Clause constituted a textual bar to the prosecution of a civil officer prior to the termination of impeachment proceedings “would create serious practical difficulties in the administration of the criminal law.” Id. at 7. Under such an interpretation, a prosecution of a government official could not proceed until a court had resolved a variety of complicated threshold constitutional questions.
These include, first, whether the suspect is or was an officer of the United States within the meaning of Article II, section 4 of the Constitution, and second, whether the offense is one for which he could be impeached. Third, there would arise troublesome corollary issues and questions in the field of conspiracies and with respect to the limitations of criminal proceedings.
Id. The memorandum concluded that “[a]n interpretation of the Constitution which injects such complications into criminal proceedings is not likely to be a correct one.” Id. As a result, the Impeachment Judgment Clause could not itself be said to be the basis for a presidential immunity from indictment or criminal trial.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:37 pmWhat will all the comedians do when the Chimp is impeached – yikes….no more fodder for their schtick. Guess Fuch Schooze will go the way of the comedian shows as well since all they spin is drivel and fiction and really look like a bunch of ignorant buffoons on the air.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThanks, Flaco. Now, let’s all calm down and let the system work. A number of our reps in congress think laws may have been broken here and there. They have asked for cooperation from the executive branch and no meaningful cooperation is forthcoming. The next step is to force members of the administration to testify with subpoenas. Eventually, Scalia will have another chance to confirm to most of us that he is a partisan hack masquerading as a Supreme Court Justice.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:37 pmsounds like open revolt to me Jake. …still breathing?
Perhaps a little soap and water will get that Bush/Cheney bullseye off your car bumper.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:37 pmIf a VICE president was visiting an American city, got drunk and accidentally shot someone….
that already happened. Never mind.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pmCongress investigating the Executive branch is a bit different than the Independent Counsel do so. Let me know if you don’t understand the difference between the two.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
For one thing Jake I don’t believe you can plead the 5th Amendment in a Congressional Hearing. Good news, no?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pmDidn’t the Boy King look like a cornered animal tonight in his press conference?? Scary to think that this individual, obviously incapable of self control and rational thought processes, has his finger on the trigger of this country? Wow! don’t go there unless you want to invite in some real nightmares.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:39 pmI never said that Bush was above the law either.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
Sure you did, you said he had the *right* to do whatever he wanted – even though everyone pointed out to you it appears to be obstruction of Justice.
But while you’re busy *mincing* your words, we’ll keep making fun of you for your st*pidity? ‘Kay little boY?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:39 pmGosh, this thread has turned into an episode of Jake and the Fathead (that would be flaco of course)
March 20th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI’ve also heard it said that “corruption ages” and tonight we’ve also seen unprecedented aging of this president. He appears to have literally aged overnight and in the span of two weeks looks like he’s effectively aged ten years! The diabolical power of immersion in negativity – and spiritual calibration below that of a worm. wow!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIt sure is frustrating: this bizzaro world logic. We have government officials giving conflicting testimony to Congress, and he’s the one making accusations of partisian politics?
God help us all.
We didn’t have a clue about 9/11 but we know exactly where the WMDs are.
It’s the Disaster President: what will they FUBAR next?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI never said that Bush was above the law either.
Comment by Jake
Yes you did, you stated his advisors do not have to testify if suppeanaed
March 20th, 2007 at 7:41 pmPrecedence has already been set for that one.
Clinton’s advisors had to testify 47 times.
that is leaving out the Nixon bruhaha
Anybody know if when Bush is impeached, yes I said when, can he be tried for war crimes by other countries and can he be tried. Certainly we shouldn’t be able to protect him against the rest of the world.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:41 pm#290 Bill of Rights, Article 10 re: the Power of the People. Yessiree, if Congress abdicates their power and derelects their duty to bring about impeachment due to failure to comply with the subpoena power of the Senate, then it will be the onus of responsibility of the people to enforce this Article. After all, the Constitution belongs to THE PEOPLE. This president serves “at the pleasure OF THE PEOPLE” who, incidentally, happen to pay his salary. It’s time that WE, THE PEOPLE stand up and be counted and not allow the Congress which purports to represent us back down one iota. If they do, they, too, will become complicit in the eyes of the true patriots in this country and, also, will be removed and/or not re-elected to their positions of representation.
The line has been drawn in the sand between the President and the Congress and the President and THE PEOPLE now, which Bush has just set into motion.
Does he realize that he’s setting into motion his own impeachment?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:44 pmPerhaps he does.
P.S. I guess that mega land purchase he’s just put in Jenna’s name which sits on the largest water source known was not purchased a moment too soon…..just like Haliburton high-tailing it’s headquarters out of this country was not done a moment too soon….seeing any parallels here?????
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmHe looked terrified.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI am still waiting for the Dems to prove this isn’t a political show trial meant simply for political gain. To prove this is simple. They need to back up what they say and investigate and demand everyone that interfered with ongoing investigations step down. They need to start with Schumer. This man is on record interfering with a justice department investigation. Furthermore, he is on record making demands for information and is also on record telling the justice department when he wants things investigated and even how he wants them investigated. The things he did were at a minimum on level with the things he is accusing the administration of doing. Currently, he has no hard proof that Bush or Cheney were actually involved.
On the flip side, we have written proof from Schumer himself that he interfered with an ongoing investigation. While that may sound bad, it gets much much worse for him. He not only interfered, but went on to make timeframe demands and even told the justice department exactly how he wanted them to do the investigation. He even told them in advance the specific information he wished to learn from their investigation. He applied political pressure.
So, I truly hope TP doesn’t prove to be a hypocrit here. TP and the Dem party have asked that anyone doing these acts be removed from Government. They have also demanded that these folks be investigated and forced to be interviewed under oath publicly. So when is TP demanding the Dems investigate and interview Schumer publicly under oath for all these completely inappropriate acts. When you do this, I will then believe your being serious. I will believe your actually doing this stuff with the best interests of we the people in mind. You will prove your not simple poltical hacks putting on a show trial attempting to gain political points. ANYTIME TP.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmCongress investigating the Executive branch is a bit different than the Independent Counsel do so. Let me know if you don’t understand the difference between the two. Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Congress investigating the Executive branch is exactly what the “Independent-Counsel” was – dum bass. Or are you also ignorant of where the Independent-Counsel came from?
Tell me Jake, how many times have you been divorced? Anyone with your fine penchant for misdirection, and deceit must have left a trail of disaster in their personal life as big as Bush’s is at the governmental level!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmMy GOD i hope some posts what’s going on on CSPAN right now!!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pm#304
partisan hack types
There are tons of these types in office on both sides.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmBush has nothing to hide. I am sure of that.
This whole flap is about getting the Smear campaign going about Hillary in Arkansas, to make things up or to drag up old issues.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmwe’ve also seen unprecedented aging of this president. He appears to have literally aged overnight and in the span of two weeks looks like he’s effectively aged ten years!
Comment by veritas #311
…may his conscience consume him mentally, physically and spiritually…
…until he is just a glob of rotting flesh, quivering…
…as well as All of his co-conspirators and followers…
March 20th, 2007 at 7:46 pmDoes he realize that he’s setting into motion his own impeachment?
Perhaps he does.
Comment by veritas
Keep dreaming veritas!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:47 pm#294
#282
No same standards.
President Bush is not above the law.
No …he isn’t above the law …HE IS THE LAW.
What was it Bush said some time ago. “I think it would be great to have a dictator …as long as I’M THE DICTATOR.
IMPEACH THE SOB BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE
March 20th, 2007 at 7:47 pmRe: Bush/Cheney bumper stickers. I don’t believe I’d parade around with one on my vehicle these days now that Bush’s crusade against THE PEOPLE has been declared!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:47 pm“Anybody know if when Bush is impeached, yes I said when, can he be tried for war crimes by other countries and can he be tried. Certainly we shouldn’t be able to protect him against the rest of the world.
Comment by shane — March 20, 2007 @ 7:41 pm”
The answer is YES!
Much like how members of the CIA have been notified that they are going to be tried in Italy. It only takes the world court to get off thier arse to file the charges….
I think even the world is starting to push back against this administration, so I would HOPE that those charges will be filed SOON.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:48 pmP.S. I guess that mega land purchase he’s just put in Jenna’s name which sits on the largest water source known was not purchased a moment too soon…..just like Haliburton high-tailing it’s headquarters out of this country was not done a moment too soon….seeing any parallels here?????
Comment by veritas
You gotta have a link to that one, veritas.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI’m just dyin’ to read that.
Au contraire, #317 – they do have smoking gun proof of Cheney and Bush’s fingerprints on this via some whistleblowers. And, if Schumer did the same, then he needs to be brought to justice as well. Simple as that.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:50 pmDid Clinton as Commander in Chief, ever cause deaths of innocents while he was in office? Of course he did.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWouldn’t that be considered murder?
Is that an impeachable offense here or just another special circumstance?
Smack:
I’m still breathing ; )
March 20th, 2007 at 7:53 pm“Currently, he has no hard proof that Bush or Cheney were actually involved.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 20, 2007 @ 7:45 pm”
WHAT????
You do realize that for the last week, the WH has been YELLING that these people “serve at the pleasure of the President”……..
You think that Rove, or Gonzo can do this???? NO!!!! This lies right in the LAP of the President…..
As far as your other comments….. You did not post any evidence to support any “claim” you are making so no comment from me without proof because we all know that the right lies out their teeth. Just look at all the statements made here so far…..
March 20th, 2007 at 7:53 pm#317
I am still waiting for the Dems to prove this isn’t a political show trial meant simply for political gain
Don’t hold your breath.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:53 pm#322 Big Papa….top of the evening to ya! We’re seeing firsthand evidence of what a daily dose of lies, corruption, and ongoing scandals can do to one’s body habitus, aren’t we? It’s pretty dramatic and very sad to witness. Bush is rotting from the inside out before our very eyes. Let that be a lesson to everyone that by mere physiological process, our mind telegraphs disease to every cell in our body. Why do you think Cheney had a heart attack in his 40’s?? Almost unheard of medically but we all know the answer to that. And he continues to experience life-threatening health problems commensurate with the haunting of his conscience and the depth of his evil.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:53 pmDubai is going to be the Repuke retirement spot. Particularly if they don’t extradite to the US.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:54 pmHey flakeoff – Keep your head out from up your ass and remain in the present….Clinton is not still the president, dip$hit!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:54 pmFlakeoff, Firehead and Jakeoff are indulging in wishful thinking if they believe that this administration will not be impeached. Impeachment proceedings are being drawn up this evening.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:55 pmDid you see this yet, RemoveBush:
“In 1973, the Department of Justice concluded that the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unduly interfere with the ability of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned duties, and would thus violate the constitutional separation of powers. No court has addressed this question directly, but the judicial precedents that bear on the continuing validity of our constitutional analysis are consistent with both the analytic approach taken and the conclusions reached. Our view remains that a sitting President is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution.“
March 20th, 2007 at 7:56 pmComment by RemoveBush — March 20, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Good catch! Thanks!
March 20th, 2007 at 7:56 pm#137- Thanks
I just completed calling & emailing. The rest of you- get to it.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:56 pmSupreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia ruled that Clinton could be forced to testify under oath. Remember, Bush cultists? He said something like, “if he’s got time for a round of golf, he’s got time to testify.â€
Oh, oh. Bush plays a lot of golf.
Comment by Bluedog49 — March 20, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
I’m no attorney but I think that sets a precedent.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:57 pmTake EVERYTHING Bushiva, L’il Dick and their war profiteering co-conspirators have…
…AWAY…
…Whatever THEY have accumulated should be confiscated and returned to the people’s treasury…
…SERIOUSLY…
…if drug dealers are arrested, any assets they have that they can’t prove are NOT associated with their illegal activities…
…are confiscated…
…they are also slapped with heavy punitive fines…
…WHAT fines are commensurate with mass murder, war profiteering and TREASON?
March 20th, 2007 at 7:58 pmPeople who have Chimpy stickers on their car in Denver are in trouble.
I go out of my way to abuse them. I love to cut them off, give them the finger, shout at them. They are torturers and traitors and deserve no quarter.
So stay the hell away from me, you Chimpyloving bastids.
I firmly believe we will come to blows before this is over. A second civil war to free us from King George the Turd.
March 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pmYes.
Because the Military Commissions Act prevents criminal prosecution for war crimes under domestic law, the international community may exert jurisdiction as soon as Bush is removed from office.
It would be nice if they had an extradition request served at that moment, to prevent Bush from flying off to Paraguay.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI’m no attorney but I think that sets a precedent.
Comment by shane — March 20, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
It does, for civil trials for actions which occured before the individual became President. Sorry, not much help in this case.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pmRemoveBush:
Have you finished reading the memo yet?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by veritas #333
…the best is yet to come…
March 20th, 2007 at 8:02 pmPeople who have Chimpy stickers on their car in Denver are in trouble.
I go out of my way to abuse them. I love to cut them off, give them the finger, shout at them. They are torturers and traitors and deserve no quarter.
So stay the hell away from me, you Chimpyloving bastids.
I firmly believe we will come to blows before this is over. A second civil war to free us from King George the Turd.
Comment by Tom3
Just a note for this asshat Tom
We love our guns and are not afraid to usr them.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:02 pm“Go ahead punk make my day!”
I want Chimpeachment too.
Unfortunately it can’t happen unless a LOT of Repukes cross the aisle and vote with the Dems.
The Dems have a majority in the House but a tie in the Senate with 2 indies. (well one indy and one closet case Repuke…Loserman)
They need supermajorities to impeach. They don’t have them until the Repukes dump the Chimp.
I want Chimpeachment but I’m not holding my breath.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:02 pmI especially liked the ending where OLC: “concluded that the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unduly interfere with the ability of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned duties, and would thus violate the constitutional separation of powers.”
Even Nat agrees with me. Sorry guys.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:05 pmFlaco, we have guns too.
Dumbass.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmWe have a billboard down here along I-25 left over from 2004, for “Bush Cheney ‘04″.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmOriginally it was blue and white.
Now it is blue, white and red, as someone has thrown 7 or 8 red paint balloons at it.
They look like big red wounds dripping blood.
Rather apropriate, wouldn’t you say?
(And, honestly, it wasn’t me…)
Impeachment proceedings are being drawn up this evening.
Comment by veritas
The most advanced case of BDS I have ever witnessed.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThis moonbaticus veritas will die soon from the lack of brain activity.
Flaco loves his guns.
He sticks them up his butt for fun.
Maybe he will pull the trigger by accident someday.
Whoops!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWrong again, Tom3:
The House only needs a simple majority to Impeach. You need a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. Hope that helps.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:07 pmIf the bush has time to cut brush, he’s got time to testify…
March 20th, 2007 at 8:08 pmJake u have good sources.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:08 pmKeep em coming!
Contempt of Congress charges will be brought against Rove if he refuses to be subpoenead to testify under oath.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:08 pmJake and Flaco should get a room.
They’re typical Repuke closet cases.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pm“RemoveBush:
Have you finished reading the memo yet?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:01 pm”
Yes I have and NOWHERE does it say that he cannot appear before Congress…… It does say Federal Court, but I’m sure you are smart enough to know that Congress IS NOT a federal Court!!!!!
So YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThe most advanced case of BDS I have ever witnessed.
This moonbaticus veritas will die soon from the lack of brain activity.
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
How would anyone with Clinton Derangement Syndrome like yourself see anything but your own derangement reflected in others? Wait – you WOULDN’T!!! You insane CONS make such a good parody of yourselves! You’re so ‘wacked’, it’s impossible to tell a parody from YOU!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmA 2/3 vote is a supermajority, dumbass.
Repukes are so stupid its funny.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmBye now mommy is calling.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI will be here tomorrow to do battle with the evil ones here at TP.
July 24, 1974
The Supreme Court rules unanimously that Nixon must turn over the tape recordings of 64 White House conversations, rejecting the president’s claims of executive privilege.
July 27, 1974
House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction of justice.
August 8, 1974
Richard Nixon becomes the first U.S. president to resign.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/watergate/chronology.htm
The House only needs a simple majority to Impeach. You need a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict. Hope that helps. Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Yes, but what do we need in 2008 to put him in Jail for crimes against the state?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmContempt of Congress is certainly a crime, but then again, who ultimately enforces said crime?
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress
The United States Congress generally brings this action for refusing to testify before a Congressional committee, or failing to provide a committee with requested documents. There have also been contempt cases based on bribing a United States Senator or United States Representative.
In order for someone to be convicted of contempt of Congress, the congressional committee which has suffered the contempt first reports a resolution that the affected individual is guilty of contempt. This takes a majority vote of the committee. The full United States House of Representatives or United States Senate then must approve the resolution, which sends the matter to an assistant United States attorney or higher with the Department of Justice, who may call a grand jury to decide whether to indict the affected individual, and prosecute if the grand jury affirms an indictment. This version of the procedure was put into place in 1857 and exists in order to provide a balance of power so the House and Senate cannot run amok and jail all their political opponents with contempt charges, also to be within the restrictions laid out in the United States Constitution that Congress cannot pass a Bill of attainder, and declare someone criminally guilty without trial. The Congress is also restricted in that contempt citations can only be brought on matters that relate to legislative purposes within the jurisdiction of the committee that brings the charges.
From time to time, Congress lodges contempt of Congress charges against members of the United States government, usually members of the executive branch of the United States who claim that releasing their records to a committee would cause more harm than good, or sometimes that the records are protected by executive privilege and must remain secret. This can put the executive branch in an unusual ethical position, since the executive branch employs the United States Attorney, who decides whether to bring cases of contempt of Congress to the grand jury. In addition, it is often the United States Attorney who advises executive branch members in the first place whether to withhold controversial documents or provide them to the congressional committees.
For example, Henry Kissinger, James Watt, and Janet Reno have all been cited by Congress for contempt, though in all these cases the Congress and the executive branch subsequently reached an agreement on the delivery of documents before the matter reached a grand jury. In cases involving delivery of documents, Congress currently seems to view contempt of Congress as a tool to reach an agreement with the executive branch, rather than as a law to punish the contemptuous.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmJake and Flaco have nothing…especially in their pants.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWaterboard both of these insurgents, Miers and Rove.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pmGo Jake Go!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pm“I especially liked the ending where OLC: “concluded that the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unduly interfere with the ability of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned duties, and would thus violate the constitutional separation of powers.â€
Even Nat agrees with me. Sorry guys.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:05 pm”
What does a FEDERAL Court have to do with CONGRESS????? They are not one in the same!!!!
I say let him disregard the subpeanas……. Then Conyers can whip out that long list of articles of impeachment, where BUSH will have NO CHOICE but to appear before congress…… Then the Congress WILL NOT have to ask only questions related to the impeachment. They could then ask ANY question they want!!!!
Let him refuse, he will utterly regret it…..
Your dimentia is out of control Jake.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:15 pmRemoveBush:
I never said the President could not VOLUNTARILY appear before Congress (I believe Ford was the last President to do so after his pardon of Nixon). My point is that you can’t FORCE him to — you can impeach him though — good luck with that ; )
March 20th, 2007 at 8:16 pmBush is correct completely here. While the Dems have the right to perform these political show trials, Bush shouldn’t lower himself to those standards. He hopes, as well as most Americans, that the Dems move on and start focusing on real issues. What Bush did wasn’t even a crime regardless of his reasons.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 20, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
If Bush wouldn’t give Congress a reason to look into questionable activities of his administration, like, oh, finding a “problem” with Carol Lam a day after she announces she’s going after former CIA official Kyle “Dusty†Foggo and then-House Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis (R-CA), no doubt Bush’s buddies, then we wouldn’t have sitting Presidents crying like a baby and whining about setting precedents.
Oh, and there is precedent for this, as you have obviously not read because of your distaste for facts, 31 of Clinton’s top aides testified to Congress on 47 different occasions, and Clinton didn’t mind.
And speaking of Clinton’s aides testifying, where are your comments under the FACT CHECK: There Is No Precedent Barring White House Aides From Testifying To Congress thread, Roger? I searched for your name and couldn’t find even one post!
And…when Clinton did a wholesale replacement of U.S. attorneys at the beginning of his first term, which you claim he had a right to do, the Republicans in Congress went nuts and charges of corruption went flying. The difference is, I don’t think any of the U.S. attorneys at that time were investigating any of his friends or any questionable dealings regarding Clinton’s administration. Deal with it, assh*le.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:17 pmTom3:
Perhaps Nat can explain to you the difference between “impeachment” and “conviction”.
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus:
In 2008, it is going to have to take Bush no longer being President of the United States for him to be put in jail for any alleged crimes.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:18 pmJesus is not real. TPers here must really like u here to put up with that nonsense huh?
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Jesus is real – neocons interpretation of Jesus is twisted.
As somebody else just pointed out – what would Jesus think about the Republican endorsement for torture?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pmRemoveBush:
Did Clinton appear before Congress during his impeachment or subsequent trial???
March 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pmSo Jake, I’m glad to hear you cite resources that show Congress can refer the Executive branch to a Grand Jury, and that a special prosecutor may be appointed.
As for your *desire* that Bush bring on a constitutional crisis – he’s been picking that fight for the last 6 years. He’s as big of a baby legislatively, as you are intellectually!! Come on Baby Jake, hasn’t the viagra worn off yet? You’re here still Jake’ing off to your own bile and ignorance! Just face it, the reason you had so many divorces is that you’re gay, and that’s why you hate yourself so much that you’re a Bush Cultist like the rest of the NeoCon closet cases. Come out, come out Jake, and you’ll get the senior discount at the next pride parade!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pmI never said the President could not VOLUNTARILY appear before Congress (I believe Ford was the last President to do so after his pardon of Nixon). My point is that you can’t FORCE him to — you can impeach him though — good luck with that ; ) Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
They can force him to appear before them, or a special prosecutor. Me personally, I prefer the latter. And I’m glad you do as well, Mr. Jake’Off.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pmGo Jake Go!!! Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
How long have you been into “older” guys Flaco?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pmLlike Nixon, Bush will resign before being impeached. He would be forced to testify under oath and the lying crook couldn’t afford to do that.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:21 pmI like the firehead/anvilheads variety. Nice change of tone in the hours of dusk.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:22 pmSince Gonzales says waterboarding is okay, maybe the Senate should start waterboarding Gonzales and Karla Rove until they confess.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pmIf this criminal thug administration had nothing to hide, there would be no need for the emotional upsets and the trolls posting here coming apart at the seams.
The constitution rules – finally we have a congress willing to do oversight, work 5 days a week instead of 3 as we saw with the 109th congress and begin the process of making our country run as it should.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pmAnyone objecting to the rules and process of the constitution is UNAMERICAN.
Demoncrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot on this impeachment crap and then lose another election it they are not careful. Do not do this to the country if u care about it.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pmshane and BnF, this might interest you concerning methods to obtain redress for Bushco criminality:
International Criminal Court
Currently, the US is not a signatory and neither is Iraq, as Saddam was overtaken before he signed on. This is the place we need to go, and they are prepared to do the work, but getting there is the problem. As I recall, there is another article on that site which has a bit more depth. Unfortunately, the web administrator has not yet activated the search button, so you may need to Google with the site parameter to find it.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pmO.K., maybe it’s just getting late, but I want to preserve the following, for the record:
“They need supermajorities to impeach.” Tom3 — March 20, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
“They can force him to appear before them, or a special prosecutor.” ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — March 20, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
March 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pmThe only treasonous scumbags are the ones who outed Valerie Plame.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pmHow, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:25 pmfirehead sez:
“Supreme Chancellor”? Did you get that from V for Vendetta, fathead?
It’s a pity you lack the attention span to watch an entire movie in one sitting…else you would have seen that things didn’t turn out so well for “the Chancellor”…
March 20th, 2007 at 8:25 pmSo, shane, I suppose stonehinge did not just post: “We can take care of that†and no one above brought up the French Revolution or the guillotine either?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Jake they said they would take to the streets. Whatever they said – do you think they meant to do anybody any bodily harm. You Republicans are such a bunch of wimps.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:26 pmAnyway Bush has said several times “Bring them on.” Do you think he meant that literally. Get over yourself wimp chimp.
Fireant sez:
Yer all dead and stuff—-
Dude, its hard to take you seriously at this point.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:26 pmJake, i thought you and Flaco were already at the Holiday Inn.
I think they have cocktail hour, you can both get mojitos.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWe need bush like tirehead needs to run over another roofing nail.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:27 pmCan’t get any flatter…
We don’t have a law that would make war profiteering specifically a federal crime,” Sen. Leahy (D-VT) said in this morning’s efficient hearing conducted by the Senate Judiciary Committee, so he is introducing one.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:27 pmhttp://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bradblog.com%2F%3Fp%3D4296
“and spiritual calibration below that of a worm”
== Comment by veritas
That is so fine!!! A rebuke worthy of Jeremiah himself.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:27 pmHow did they force Clinton to testify?
Just askin, seriously.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pmWell I for one am glad that Jakeoff has finally dropped his “independent” act and admitted he is a neocon. I wonder if he really believed he was fooling anyone.
What is it that neocons drink that make them fall in line with the party talking points?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pm371
shane u know Jesus?
Cool!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pm#369 Jake
My point is that you can’t FORCE him to — you can impeach him though — good luck with that ; )
He’s making it easier for us every day. He’s virtually greasing the skids.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pmChimpotent lame duck Preznit. Watch out she’s going to swing her puur..urse.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pmJake is a typical Repuke dumbass.
A 2/3 vote is a supermajority, you inbred moron.
And Congress CAN force Chimpy to testify…when they Chimpeach him.
But thanks for reminding us the House can impeach with a simple majority. That means there is no excuse to proceed.
Chimpeachment would be good for America.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pmFlac-U
March 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmHe’s making it easier for us every day. He’s virtually greasing the skids.
Comment by chimpeach
Excellent way to put it.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmComment by Tom3 — March 20, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
On CSPAN!
March 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmHey flaco, how’s the move to the middle east goin’ for cheney’s halliburton?
Too bad that excellent idea to have a middle eastern state-owned company manage our ports bottomed out; ya know, the UAE…the country of which of their royals was hosting bin laden on a hunting ground?
Nice going with supporting betrayal of the United States with putting politics over security, with the Plame slip…THAT’s class. Too bad they found out about it. Thanks General Hayden…COVERT.
Heyyy, where IS bin laden anyways?
Man…those world-record foreclosures occurring/about to occur in the US really hurts. I really really liked the halliburon excuse for supplying Libya when it was under US sanctions, that they’re excused because “it was an international division of halliburton.” Smart!
I really like it when my government is hyper secretive, and sensitive…with no transparency to the citizens of such. It makes me feel MUCH safer, that our leader knows what he’s doing. Ya know..like the energy conference cheney hosted…there must be TONS of national security issues he’s dealing with, and keeping us safe from.
I just wish they’d find a story, and stick to it with this 8 attorney’s being fied thing…too bad your explanation that “all presidents do it (in the first year of their presidency…this is 6 years later, after bushie already did it.)
ya know, i really really really like those “free speech zones” where americans are kept in cages to express their disapproval. That makes me warm and giddy, remembering 1984. That’s a book by the way.
I guess bushie was schooled in environmental science, human biology, and a middle-eastern policy, the way he skillfully blocks scientific findings that differ from his policies from seeing the light of day; has non-existent sexual education (and inaccuracies regarding how you can catch HIV) don’t worry tho, only homos catch that, right).
All those middle-eastern policy experts like Tom DeLay, silly guy…seemed to forget that the US already has military bases in “two of those arab countries.” YA! We have the RIGHT people leading in this highly volatile area of the world; just what we need!
How’s Afghanistan goin’ by the way, and what about those illegals flooding our streets protesting by waving their country’s flag, while being here illegally?
You my son, are deluded, fanatical, and this is not a goddamn game of football.
“If you choose a path in life, and follow it blindly, the path will become false, and you a fanatic.”
March 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmFlaco
March 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pmEven Jesus would never forgive what you do
We don’t have a law specifically outlawing war profiteering.
That’s because the Repukes took it out. They didn’tm want anybody arresting their Halliburton pals.
War profiteers are traitors and that means Halliburton.
Too bad they moved to Dubai so we can’t put them all in prison.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pmJake and Flaco, i think you are “”"winning”"”, just like your guru, the supreme moron in chief in Iraq….it is just a matter of time you are treated the same way the f*cker in chief was treated in Latinamerica these days.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pmDear Mr. Bush:
Out here in the fields
March 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI fight for my meals
I get my back into my living.
I don’t need to fight
To prove I’m right and
I don’t need to be forgiven!
shane u know Jesus?
Cool!
Comment by Flaco
I thought your “Mommy” called you?
Don’t call your wife “Mommy,” it’s sick and wrong.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:33 pmComment by stonehinge — March 20, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
Germany and, I believe, The Netherlands, have exerted Universal Jurisdiction for International War Crimes. Either venue would suffice.
Or, the International Community could establish a special tribunal, like the ones for Rwanda and the former Republic of Yugoslavia.
Or, a successor administration to the Bush administration could voluntarily allow International Criminal Court jurisdiction for certain named individuals, such as Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rice, and the various underlings from PNAC.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:35 pmJake
For a 75 year old man you can BACK PEDAL really fast.
Look guy, Jake is breaking some land speed record.
Good thing your earlier posts are still here and on other threads so we can refresh your feeble memory.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:35 pmNice going with supporting betrayal of the United States with putting politics over security…
It is the other way around asshat security over politics.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:36 pmNot fun but thanks for the quote loser!
You sound like a fanatic yourself. Take ur own advice/bullshit!
The only positive thing these Repuke trolls do in here, besides entertaining us with their inbred stupidity, is to demonstrate how they live in a seperate “reality” of their own construction.
They have been fed spin and lies for a long time and they believe them. Their propaganda machine constructs an alternate reality for them, one that is in opposition to the objective reality we all live in.
These Repukes are having a psychotic break with reality. Eventually we will have to send them all to inpatient mental health care.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmHector Garcia sorry to hear about ur Uncle Chavez.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmPinche cabron!
#405…..
March 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pm“Middle-Class Wasteland”
I had a big argument with Jake the other day because he is convinced Clinton was guilty of felony obstruction of justice and perjury. All false. Newt Gingrich and Jack Cafferty also said this last week on CNN’s The Situation Room. Bill Bennett has said it on CNN in the past. When I checked later, CNN.com’s transcripts had Cafferty’s lies purged.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:39 pmFlaco
Even Jesus would never forgive what you do
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Another scholar?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pmFlaco es un Tio Taco.
Flaco es pendejo.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pmJake sez:
What a splendid idea, Jake. Here’s a few from you I’ve deemed worthy of preservation:
Jake, your contempt for the rule of law is truly breathtaking. I’m actually ashamed to call you a fellow citizen.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by RemoveBush — March 20, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
Thanks RemoveBush – we need the rest of the world to know we are not behind this peckerhead, that we would be willing to turn him over for trial, to regain the respect we previously had.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:43 pmYeah, what Joshdestardi said.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:45 pmHector Garcia sorry to hear about ur Uncle Chavez.
Pinche cabron!
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Hi Flaco, i’m spanish, not moronic, unlike you…My english falls short just you fall short of intelligence…You can perform better…can you?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:47 pmDick Nixon……. “I’m not a crook.”
March 20th, 2007 at 8:49 pmGeorge W. Bush….. “I’m a crook…so what?”
Comment by veritas — March 20, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
And Veritas – Cheney went back to the doctor today with more trouble from his deep vein thrombosis.
His soul rotting from the inside out no doubt.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:50 pmThat was a good post by Josh, Fortruth…
March 20th, 2007 at 8:50 pmshane sez:
Exactly. Mass impeachment of all the corrupt and criminal elements of this administration is what is is going to take to restore our country. Subsequent prosecution of said elements in the Hague for War Crimes is what it is going to take to restore our country’s standing in the world.
We have a choice here. One choice is easy…just do nothing. Ignore the telltale signs, and allow our once-great republic to metamorphose into the Empire the neocons dream of. Just remember…empires have a habit of falling.
The other choice is not easy. It’s hard. It involves us actually getting up off the couch and taking action to ensure that our country remains the democratic republic our Founding Fathers worked so hard to create. They risked everything, and in their day, they were called rebels, traitors, and terrorists, but this didn’t stop them from establishing a system of government that insured that they would be free, and their children after them would enjoy the same freedoms. Can we honestly do any less?
March 20th, 2007 at 8:54 pmIt does, for civil trials for actions which occured before the individual became President. Sorry, not much help in this case.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — March 20, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
Thanks for all the free legal advice – I owe you one. He’s going down either way, no worries.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pmI can’t see anyway Bush won’t be impeached at this point.There is just too many scandals for him to continue. Most Americans at this point know he lied to us about Iraq, and the evidence is all there. The only problem was getting that evidence, the witness, etc, all introced in testimony before congress, but now with a Democratic Congress, (as opposed to a ReichStag Congress), the hearings will take place.
Bush must be impeached. It has to occur. Its the only way this country will heal itself, and the only way the world is ever going to forgive us for turning George W Bush on them.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pm…and for chryst’s sake no pardons this time…..
March 20th, 2007 at 9:00 pmWhoa Jake. Is this a joke or are you seriously that retarded?
March 20th, 2007 at 9:00 pmHow, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
Comment by Jake
If your pres is as honorable as you may (or may not) think then why defend his not wanting to testify under oath? You people should welcome this.
If Bush refuses to testify under oath then we have a constitutional crisis. This could lead to impeachment. We have 20 republican senators and all of the House running for re election in ‘08. How many are going to risk their job and vote to not impeach the obvious criminals?
Our country and the world can not begin the healing process until the criminals are brought to justice.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pmOMG, the Baba O’Riley lyrics…could not have been better.
Just for fun, take a peek at this:
Blue Man Group – “Baba O’Riley”
Sorry, Flaco and Jake, but this will be a little over your head.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pmIf this ends up in court, the federal judge who will hear the case is a recent appointee by none other than Gonzales.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:07 pmWhoa Jake…Is this a joke or are you seriously that retarded?
Comment by Granola Hippy
Baby, he’s got a serious case of arrogant old guy. I think it’s terminal.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:08 pm#380 Flaco
Do not do this to the country if u care about it.
Beg. Get on your knees and beg.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:09 pm#420 raven
March 20th, 2007 at 9:09 pmwell said.
I think this is the fastest growing TP thread ever.
Over 400 comments in just a little more than 3 hours!
March 20th, 2007 at 9:09 pmFirehead seems very tense. He needs one of those massage at the mall deals. You sit in the cair right in the mall.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:09 pmBush is just “talking tough” now.
I can assure you, its just hot air.
Karl Rove WILL testify.
Harriet Meirs WILL testify.
And theres not a damned thing Bush, or his buddy Jake, can do about it.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:09 pm#397 Tom3
Chimpeachment would be good for America.
I wholeheartedly recommend it.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:10 pmZooey the troll traffic, and responses to it and related items like this one seem to be a lot of it.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:11 pmComment by stonehinge — March 20, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
Gee if I was GW or even Tony Blair I might be having bad dreams about that horrible execution where the head was ripped off the body.
Just saying.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:11 pmScrew the trolls. Bush is a moron, its all going down….
bye.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:12 pmNice going with supporting betrayal of the United States with putting politics over security…Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Well, your party does have a long history of this, so we can see why you would condemn the GOP for their Anti-American political activities – Herr Flaco.
It is the other way around asshat security over politics.
Not fun but thanks for the quote loser!
You sound like a fanatic yourself. Take ur own advice/bullshit!
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Read this, and pretend it was written for and about you – because it was, even though you’re too st*pid to know it – *sshat!
March 20th, 2007 at 9:12 pm#375 flamebrain
And then declare martial law and send all liberals to slave labor camps. YOU TREASONEOUS SCUMBAGS ARE DEAD> ILL KILL YOU ALL.
Mommy, I’m scared.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:12 pmOver 400 comments in just a little more than 3 hours!
Comment by Zooey
Zoo, have I told you that you are sweet? :)
March 20th, 2007 at 9:13 pmHow, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Oh, oh – What is hand him a supoena?
Applause, Applause, Thanks Alex
March 20th, 2007 at 9:13 pm#406 Zooey
Don’t call your wife “Mommy,†it’s sick and wrong.
Actually, I think he was talking about is husband.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:16 pmshane u know Jesus?
Cool!
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Yeah and he’s not too happy with your torture and war mongering, uncharitable type.
Come the Rapture, you better duck!
March 20th, 2007 at 9:17 pmFirehead needs to address some of his issues. The mall massage would be a good place to start.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:17 pmSubpeona the Bush boy. Whaaaaaaaaaaaa
I’m lovin’ it®
March 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmThis is a feeding frenzy and flaco, firehead, and anyone else like that is just the appetizer.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pmComment by joshdestardi — March 20, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Sir – great post, great read, great points, too bad Flaccid won’t understand.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:22 pmAlthough I hate to point it out, a President was arrested…….
Pierce was arrested while in office for running over an old woman with his horse, but his case was dropped due to insufficient evidence in 1853. – http://www.ipl.org/div/potus/fpierce.html
March 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pmDon’t miss that Baba O’Riley cover…teh. best. evah!!!!!!!11
March 20th, 2007 at 9:24 pmI had a big argument with Jake the other day Comment by keith — March 20, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Me too, I said he wasn’t the dumbest troll around and he said he was.
I think that one time he was right.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:27 pmI particularly like how Bush always lets out a frustrated chuckle when responding to a question he doesn’t really want to answer.
Resident Bush is, hands down, THE WORST ORATOR president in United States history. Listen to the way he stumbles (repeatedly, no less) over the Karl Rove prepared speech.
Less then two years until this band of criminals is gone, right?!
March 20th, 2007 at 9:27 pmHow, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Jake, you left out an ‘h’.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:31 pmZoo, have I told you that you are sweet? :)
Comment by Juan C
Yes, you have Juan, but I never get tired of hearing it.
You are truly fabulous. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 9:32 pm#458 – Lee,
March 20th, 2007 at 9:32 pm671 days!
Pinche cabron!
Comment by Flaco
Finally… La puta que te recontra parió. MMM…better.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:34 pmJake, you left out an ‘h’.
Comment by WaltTheMan
LMAO!!!! It took me 15 seconds, though…
March 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmStonehinge,
The blue man group baba O’rielly was pretty good.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmIs Flacoputito still stirring shit? One would imagine that after having his ass handed to him day after day he would just tell KKKarl that there’s an easier way to make money than carrying water for liars.
You could always go back to McDonalds little guy.
The wheels are coming off this charade and Bush is going down. Not like these trolls go down, but in a serious way. The little puke is way over his head.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pmComment by Marie — March 20, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
There could be a recusal of that judge.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:40 pmZoo: ;)
March 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmWalt the Man…. That was priceless.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmDoggone, Juan, you beat me with the 15 seconds. No wonder that Zooey luv u mo’ bettah!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 9:44 pmMore fun facts about President Pierce:
Distantly related to Presidents George H. W. Bush and George Walker Bush.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
BnF, what were the circumstances of the Grant arrest?
March 20th, 2007 at 9:47 pmAbout the other president to have been arrested in office, Grant:
That means he was found or pled guilty, too!
http://www.russpickett.com/ushist/uspres2.htm
The bottom line: there is precedent for arresting a President.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:47 pmDistantly related to Presidents George H. W. Bush and George Walker Bush.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Even the Dem Prezidents are related. Its all the Royal bloodline.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:47 pmBy the way, hats off to Concerned American for posting that bit about Pierce!
March 20th, 2007 at 9:48 pmDoggone, Juan, you beat me with the 15 seconds. No wonder that Zooey luv u mo’ bettah!!!
Comment by stonehinge
You need to come around more. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 9:51 pmWhy was Chuck Hagel one of the two Senators to vote against overturning that amendment to the Patriot Act today? I thought he was “normal”.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:01 pmI am late to this party, just going over some of the comments and I hit firehead’s threat to kill us all.
Isn’t the internet awesome? Anybody can be a bad-ass from the comfort of their own hovel.
The only thing firehead is threatening to are the pimples on his scrawny back. And before one of you astute trolls come back with how would I know about the pimples on his back, Flacoputito told me.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:11 pm#463 – Juan C,
March 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmYou’re forgiven; I know that American English is not your first language. Actually, it is your third as if my recollection is correct, you are originally from Argentina. and currently attend school in Mexico. If that is so, the equivalent, there, is Boer vs. the Queen’s English.
How, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
Comment by Joke — March 20, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
We’re not. They’ll subpeona Rove and Miers, and if their testimony points to possible crimes of Bush, then Congress will launch impeachment hearings.
sUkz2Bu
March 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWhy was Chuck Hagel one of the two Senators to vote against overturning that amendment to the Patriot Act today? I thought he was “normalâ€.
Comment by pny
Hmm, good question, I wondered about that too. Cross him off my list of a maybe good guy.
bit paranoid here, but…Is this the trigger for bush to get on the horn, maybe call his buds in SaudiA (or his direct line to Osama) and give the orders to let loose with another attack on our shores? Seems that is his only option now, create real fear again. That’s the only way he could really invoke all the provisions of the PA and try to regain control. Am I being totally paranoid?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:19 pmYou need to come around more. :)
– Comment by Zooey
OMG, a come-hither? [perk]
To tell the truth, dear Zooey, over the the last few weeks, I’ve been traveling through the weirdest space of my entire life, caught between a deep study of the WTC demolition on one hand, and a really bizarre sleeping disorder on the other. Nonetheless, I’ve been keeping an eye on a “few of my favorite things.”
Hope you are well and starting to see a bit of green. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 10:23 pmTeb — March 20, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
March 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmMind your manners! It is highly illegal to threaten the President or Vice President of the United States, no matter how much you disagree with his or her policies. TP would do a service by removing your post, for you and for America.
I especially liked the ending where OLC: “concluded that the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unduly interfere with the ability of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned duties, and would thus violate the constitutional separation of powers.â€
So would impeachment. Yet….
And then we have the Clinton v. Jones case….
Cheers,
March 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmMr. Anderson.
That does sound a bit paranoid, but a cornered and wounded beast is apt to do desperate things.
But wouldn’t it be easier to fake an attack by the Iranians, incite another firestorm, maybe get the Israelis to see if the nukes really work as we promised. The ultimate deus ex machina. And it brings Jebus one step closer.
I saw this statement here a few months ago, and have to repeat:
The Rapture is not an exit strategy.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:28 pmWTF Teb??? I think you’ve gone off the deep end….. If I read your almost incoherent post right….. You claim George Bush caused 9/11??? You need some serious help…… Just posting what you did could and probably will be considered a threat not only against the President of the United States, but to everything this country is supposed to stand for. Dude, GET A GRIP….
March 20th, 2007 at 10:29 pmThe biggest obstacle to impeachment right now is Nancy Pelosi.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:30 pmOMG, a come-hither? [perk]
Heh.
WTC demolition? No wonder you’re having a sleep disorder.
Hope you are well and starting to see a bit of green. :)
Comment by stonehinge
Doing well. Thanks. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 10:31 pmIf we the people have to remove Commander Codpiece and Lil Dick from office…so be it. I had to break out the White album again!!! Impeachment is too good for them.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:32 pmC’mon everyone! We can get this thread to 500!
March 20th, 2007 at 10:46 pm“Teb” is a sock puppet.
Honestly, neocons…try not to make it so painfully obvious…
March 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pmHi Flaco, i’m spanish, not moronic, unlike you…My english falls short just you fall short of intelligence…You can perform better…can you?
Comment by Hector Garcia
Hector go back Venezuela your Chavez puto needs someone to chupa la verga
March 20th, 2007 at 10:50 pmthis evening, rachel maddow commented on the news story about hagel’s vote… she said, i’m paraphrasing,
“huh?!? … really? … oh yea… that’s right… it’s a reminder of
how extremely FAR RIGHT hagel actually is! … he fools people some times because he is against this war…” …
keep that in mind, i say…
what a HUGE news day, huh?… i’m lurking here a bit to see what was being said in 500 comments! ( lots of troll poop) …
almost time for jon and the guys…
March 20th, 2007 at 10:52 pmg’nite…
chingebush-
That’s way more scarey.
Hell, I’m paranoid cause C&L site has been down for several hours.
BTW I’ve been lurking here at TP, enjoying the discussions, but tonight just had to join in.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:52 pmTeb†is a sock puppet.
Honestly, neocons…try not to make it so painfully obvious…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — March 20, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
Give me a break Trip…….. You really think “neocons” would type some bs like that??? That just shows your utter ignorance and extreme leftist views…….. your trippin’
March 20th, 2007 at 10:53 pm“Concerned American” sez:
Interesting, “Concerned American”. Methinks you doth protest too much.
Let me ask you something. Do you really think “progressives” would type some BS like that?
Wow….all that diagnosis from two sentences? Truly, sir, your percipience is remarkable. </snark>
Seriously, though, thanks for replying so promptly and rabidly to my outing of “Teb” as a sock puppet. It’s always easier when the puppet master reveals himself in such an amateurish fashion. ^_^
March 20th, 2007 at 11:01 pmMy favorite part of all is the part about how Bush is going down.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:01 pmComment by Juan C — March 20, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
Juan – I sure wish I spoke Spanish, but it sounds like you told him anyway, Way to go.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:04 pmOh boy I am really really late in this thread. But only have one thing to add: Refusing to let certain of his closest people testify is by default cause for suspicion…the first indication of somebody lying is defensiveness. This ploy is actually going to backfire and cause some double-takes on both sides of the aisle. It’s another one of the worst things he could have done for his image. If I had nothing to hide I would encourage testimonies under oath. Just to prove people wrong. BUT there you have it…Mr. Bush is digging a deep hole…
March 20th, 2007 at 11:05 pmTruth,
I like the fact that Chimpy’s getting all sweaty and aggressive when he speaks. He’s no poker face.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAnderson, you are not the only one who suspects something more is about to break. We have another month or so to go before we will be in the clear for this year. It really makes me ill to say it, and I hope that I am wrong, but I don’t believe that Cheney will ever move on before mounting an aerial attack against Iran. However, there are some mitigating circumstances which are breaking.
This is a very interesting article in that regard over at AntiWar.com:
Israel’s Last Chance
and this one from from Soros is stunning:
On Israel, America and AIPAC
March 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAh, relief, got into C&L
March 20th, 2007 at 11:08 pmBush will finish his term and u guys will be in the same boat with this war if u do not get ur act together. Your own leaders are in this war. Do a reality check kiddies as this war is for real and your reps have Iraqi blood on their hands now!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:08 pmAh, relief, got into C&L
Crap&Lies good place for a bm
March 20th, 2007 at 11:10 pmLMAO……. Believe what you will, but your diagnosis and percipience must be way more refined than mine to get that from my post….
Fact is, that post is utterly criminal regardless of who wrote it, and I would certainly hope a “progressive” would not type something like that (which btw, I did not even imply). Only an idiot and a lunatic would type something such as that.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:12 pmComment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Flaco go back to the double wide and take a nap.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:12 pmBUT there you have it…Mr. Bush is digging a deep hole…
Comment by radzikowski — March 20, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
Isn’t it delicious!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:16 pmZooey, I certainly didn’t plan on it, but I hit that 500 mark just like you wanted. Do I get a kewpie doll or maybe a big plush teddy?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:17 pmFact is, that post is utterly criminal regardless of who wrote it, and I would certainly hope a “progressive†would not type something like that (which btw, I did not even imply). Only an idiot and a lunatic would type something such as that.
Comment by Concerned American — March 20, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
They do that to get the blog on a watch list.
Its a cheap neocon trick.
It also dereails the thread, so you see them a lot when the neocons are in trouble in the press.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:18 pmYour own leaders are in this war…
–fukko
Our “leaders” STARTED this war with their LIES.
They are TRAITORS to the USA.
Who need to be TRIED, CONVICTED, and EXECUTED.
By a US Army FIRING SQUAD made of soldiers PERMANENTLY MAIMED AND WOUNDED because of the Iraq/WMD LIES of TRAITOR Bush.
And Osama is STILL FREE 5 1/2 years later.
BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY TRAITOR BUSH, you MURDERER coxucker PUNK of a “president”.
God Bless America, the Democrats, and the WORLD!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:18 pmZooey, I certainly didn’t plan on it, but I hit that 500 mark just like you wanted. Do I get a kewpie doll or maybe a big plush teddy?
Comment by stonehinge
You get both!
The prize committee is feeling quite generous this evening.
Um, your prizes are in the mail. Heh.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:20 pmThey do that to get the blog on a watch list.
Its a cheap neocon trick.
It also dereails the thread, so you see them a lot when the neocons are in trouble in the press.
Comment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS — March 20, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
I thank you for sharing your insight…… If “neocons” do type bs like that as a threat for such a purpose, then I agree that’s ridiculous and simply foolish.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:25 pmConcerned American sez:
I’ve been around long enough to recognize sock puppetry when I see it. “Teb” is an unknown poster here, although a search on your name did pull up an absolutely charming anti-immigrant screed…
Indeed it is. You do know that your IP address can be traced, don’t you?
Your implication was clear. An “unknown” poster appears on a progressive web site and posts a death threat against the President. You immediately show up and condemn the “unknown” for his statement. It’s pretty obvious that the goal was to impugn the board in general, by portraying those who disagree with this administration as violent crazies. Again, if you were a bit more subtle, you might enjoy a bit more success.
On that, at least, we agree.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:25 pmThey’ve done it before in here Trip. I see it for what it is. A cheap trick to get the blog flagged for a watch list.
It was probably Kyle Sampson.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:29 pmZooey, I was going to give the big plush teddy to you. I’m way, way too manly to be carrying stuff like that.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:33 pm“bla bla bla….I hope they don’t choose confrontation.”
Yeah, I bet you don’t, you criminally minded scum!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:34 pmZooey, I was going to give the big plush teddy to you. I’m way, way too manly to be carrying stuff like that.
Comment by stonehinge
Awwww, you’re totally cool, stonehinge. Thanks. :D
Goodnight, cool guy. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 11:36 pmYou are absolutely cracking me up… Facts:
1) I had no idea this site even existed until today…..
2) The post you pasted your link to was not me (ever consider you can put whatever name you feel like putting (see below)….
3) I have only posted to one other topic….. (see if you can find it)
4) Of course I know my IP address can be traced (that a threat?)….
5) There was no implication other than exactly what I wrote…. nothing more…. nothing less……
You pompousness is very interesting, however……
March 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWORFEUS and Trip, good call on the shill.
SadlyNo! has been DDOS’d twice by the Eagles in the last 24 hours. The Eagles are those lunatics who managed to gather a crowd of maybe 200 (out of a claimed 30k) to “protect the monuments” on March 17. Anyway, it is looking like the neo-cons are getting more desperate with each passing day.
Good.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 pmIf that is so, the equivalent, there, is Boer vs. the Queen’s English.
Comment by WaltTheMan
Ha ha ha. I dont know but I can imagine.
Lunfardo, a slang from Argentina used in the low classes at the beginning of the past century is incomprenhensible and it was used as lyrics for the first tangos. The mexican slang is very curious cuz it involves the letter “ch” in almost everyword. It sounds like your c+h put together (you dont have that letter in english) or the italian c before a vocal. Now, I studied 2 years of russian, but I can barely read or say something, it was 6 years ago.
Stonehinge:
Some months ago you posted a beautiful phrase more or less like this: Its time to think about peace and not victory. I was sure you were a martial artist.
Zoo:
March 20th, 2007 at 11:42 pmNo words needed this time … friend.
Wow…over 500 posts? These Kool-Aid swillers are really out on the ‘warpath’ today, to coin a phrase…
March 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pmStonehinge.
DDOS’d?
Are you talking about a distributed denial of service attack?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pmJuan – I sure wish I spoke Spanish, but it sounds like you told him anyway, Way to go.
Comment by shane
In fact, taken literally is pretty insulting. It has to do with prostitution and the person from who we all came from (no, not God. Heh). But in Argentina, its like saying hi, pretty much. Argentinian TV is pretty progressive in the sense that you can say almost all kind of insults. Nobody cares too much about this kind of words.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThese Kool-Aid swillers are really out on the ‘warpath’ today, to coin a phrase…
Comment by CONservative — March 20, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Just wait till we start taking scalps.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:54 pmNobody cares too much about this kind of words.
Comment by Juan C — March 20, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Much like non neocons here.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pmConcerned American sez:
‘Facts’, huh? I wonder how many of these ‘facts will turn out to be verifiable…
Unverifiable. Try again.
Interesting, how you knew that would work, considering this is allegedly your ‘first day here’. Since it is your first day here, I suppose you could be forgiven for violating this site’s Terms of Service, however…
Actually, I already did, remember? (Oh yes..you claim that ‘wasn’t you’…)
Why? Do you feel threatened?
As I’ve already said, your implication was clear, your histrionics notwithstanding.
It probably just seems that way because you tried to pull some cheap sh!t, and I called you on it, which has made you all cranky.
It’s OK, CA…it was a passable enough attempt. Just remember…more subtle next time.
G’night.
March 21st, 2007 at 12:05 amCHIMPya is “lashing out” WITH HIS LIMP WRISTS LIKE THE GIRLY-MAN QUEER HE IS, AND HIS PETULANT WUSSY OUTBURSTS AND SISSY NARCISSISTIC “DRY-DRUNK” TANTRUMS SCARE NO-ONE IN WASHINGTON, LET ALONE THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, WHO ARE LETTING THE commander-in-thief SLOWLY HANG HIMSELF WITH THE LENGTHY ROPE THEY ARE SUPPLYING FOR HIM TO GET COMPLETELY ENTANGLED SO CHIMPya CANNOT ESCAPE CHIMPEACHMENT AND A LENGTHY JAIL SENTENCE FOR HIS MANY HIGH CRIMES AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD—-AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE IS THE Richard Nixon OPTION OF “STEPPING DOWN” THOUGH I PERSONALLY WISH CHIMPya W. Bush TO STEP INTO HIS OWN YAWNING GRAVE TO BE BURIED ALIVE IN A PAGE OUT OF Edgar Allan Poe’s “The Premature Burial”—-The Late Great Bela Lugosi SUMMED IT UP QUITE WELL as Doctor Vollin(tm) in THE RAVEN(tm)–”POE YOU ARE AVENGED!!!!” Or as Murder Legendre(tm) in WHITE ZOMBIE(tm)–CHIMPya, These Prosecutor Purges—-”For You, My Friend….They Are the Angels of Death….” HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH!!!!! HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!
March 21st, 2007 at 12:07 amNo, not cranky at all, but I do find it interesting that you can’t even give me the benefit of the doubt…… So as for facts… prove I wrote the other post… can you?? ….. of course you can’t so therefore we are at a quagmire…. Whatever shall we do?
As for violating this sites Terms of Service…… Kick me out… delete my posts…. doesn’t matter…….
However I do appreciate the banter, even if you are incorrect in suspecting me of writing such a heinous thing. (btw… I wasn’t the first person to condemn “teb’s” post, and I really shouldn’t have been the last) I would never post such a thing because I do find it absolutely ridiculous not to mentioin morally and legally wrong.
Because I do find it interesting, I think I will come here again…. Good Luck with your “impeachment”……..
March 21st, 2007 at 12:27 amBy the way if you wish I can show you where my one other post is………
and goodnight to you ………..
March 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amI sent a message to TP that I feel that firehead ’s IP needs to be blocked.
I encourage others to do the same.
March 21st, 2007 at 12:42 am#459
How, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Jake, you left out an ‘h’.
Comment by WaltTheMan — March 20, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
#
This is too funny… you made my night
March 21st, 2007 at 12:47 amThis is a very interesting article in that regard over at AntiWar.com:
Israel’s Last Chance
and this one from from Soros is stunning:
On Israel, America and AIPAC
Comment by stonehinge
Great articles. Thanks for the head’s up on them.
March 21st, 2007 at 1:22 amHow, exactly, are you guys going to force a sitting President to testify before Congress again?
Comment by Jake
I forgot, how did they get Clinton to testify again?
March 21st, 2007 at 1:23 am[...] Think Progress » Bush lashes out. “I will oppose any attempts to subpoena White House officials.†(tags: Bush WhiteHouse suboena Gonzales Rove Miers USAttorneys) [...]
March 21st, 2007 at 1:32 amWhat Bush did wasn’t even a crime regardless of his reasons.
Comment by Roger_Roger
thats right, Roger, remind me.. what ARE the elements of an “obstruction of justice” crime again?
March 21st, 2007 at 7:08 amThe Congress represents the people. The president is just an employee. The will of the people must override any attempts to cover up illegal activities by the law breaker in chief.
The internal conversations of the people involved show that republicans that were willing to follow the law against republicans and democrats alike were fired. That is the action of a fascists plain and simple. If the right wingers can find any examples of democrats doing the same in the past then they have simply pointed out examples as to why this must not stand.
March 21st, 2007 at 8:13 am@ #535. EXACTLY. A government of the people, by the people and for the people. Not of the chimp, by the chimp and for the chimp!! If this isn’t further grounds for impeachment, I don’t know what is, and GOD save us if he is actually successful in blocking those subpoenas. In fact, lets subpoena his monkey ass to see what happens!
March 21st, 2007 at 9:07 am[...] Karl Rove and other White House aides. President Bush yesterday promised to fight the subpoenas. 11:06 am | [...]
March 21st, 2007 at 11:06 amWow- is this a record # of posts on a TP thread??
Nuthin gets’em excited like Charlie holding forth on the steps of the Courthouse.
Tomorrow he’ll have a flag carved into his forehead, or a cross…..
….and so will “the family”
March 21st, 2007 at 11:26 amCongressional Compromise on Subpoenas Reached
All congressional committees have agreed to comply with President Bush’s qualifier, that, “We will not go along with a partisan fishing expedition aimed at honorable public servants.”
Given that Rove and Gonzales and a host of others, including of course Mr. Bush, do not meet the definition of honorable public servants there appears to be no conflict to the subpoenas being issued by Congress at this point.
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