New FBI phone record rules could elimate paper trail.
By on Mar 20th, 2007 at 11:39 am
New FBI phone record rules could elimate paper trail.
The FBI, “which has been criticized for improperly gathering telephone records in terrorism cases,” has issued new rules for agents who want phone companies to voluntarily hand over their records. “The new instructions tell agents there is no need to follow up with national security letters or subpoenas,” the Washington Post reports. “The agents are also told that the new letter template is the preferred method in emergencies but that they may make requests orally, with no paperwork sent to phone companies.”
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I think we should tell the FBI to stop investigating terrorist cases. They obviously are being to aggressive with those cases. It is much more important to protect our privacy over investigating some terrorists that are looking to destroy us. If we have to choose, we choose our privacy over our safety!!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:42 amOf course – no paper, no email trail = NO EVIDENCE!!!
Brilliant.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:43 amThere’s only one word for this. By this point in Chimpy’s illustrious career, it’s a cliché, but it still needs to be said:
March 20th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Roger_Rhetoric sez:
I think we should tell you to lay off the straw men. No one’s advocating that, and you know it.
These cases can be pursued quite effectively within the bounds of law, without unnecessarily removing all accountability.
False choice…and you know it.
Stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself (again).
We don’t, but even if we did…
March 20th, 2007 at 11:50 am
My main objection is not that wiretaps have to be performed, it’s that there is eroding accountability on agencies that perform them.
There will always be morons that insist that there should be NO accountability and that law enforcement should have a free hand to do whatever they want. Morons like that clearly hate America and the ideas that make America great.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:52 am#4 – Well said. RR has made his choice. Throw him in jail with all of the others who would rather be safe than free.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:53 am#1 So tell me, how much is this “safety” gonna cost us? Is it going to come straight out of the register? Is Vinnie gonna come by on Thrusday to pick it up, or is it gonna be someone with a badge this time?
The idea of being safe is a lie. The world is a dangerous place, filled with everyone who has or ever will commit a crime.
It’s a racket.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:55 amWhy was the Clinton administration able to capture, put on trial and jail the persons responsible for the 1993 WTC attack but the current administration can’t seem to accomplish anything, even though they violate our laws and principals willy nilly?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:56 amDo phone company execs know how to hang up the phone when they get telemarketing calls? No diff here.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 amM3Vega:
How long did it take them to find the Unibomber?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:59 amI think we should tell the FBI to stop investigating terrorist cases. They obviously are being to aggressive with those cases. It is much more important to protect our privacy over investigating some terrorists that are looking to destroy us. If we have to choose, we choose our privacy over our safety!!
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 20, 2007 @ 11:42 am
When this country was started, the opposite was true. Remember “Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither.” Privacy = freedom. If they’re telling us that we have to give up any sort of privacy simply because the government asks for it, then that’s just stupid.
The paper trail isn’t their to prohibit access. It’s there in case a mistake is made. When a mistake is made, we can go back and find out where the mistake occurred and correct it. Removing the paper trail is removing error checking. That’s just asking for trouble. Unless you’re one of those naive twits who thinks the government doesn’t make mistakes.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:01 pmThis Administration seems bent on removing the ‘paper trail’ on everything. Leaving evidence laying around is bad for crooks. Just ask Nixon.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:03 pmyo jake-in response to your question yesterday-a little to the left :)
this is absolutely ridiculuos that the FBI is trying this NOW, with all the other scandals going on!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“How long did it take them to find the Unibomber?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 11:59 am”
Your point???
At least they were ACTIVELY looking for him…….
“I really don’t think that much about him” GWB, “I’m really not that concerned about him” GWB!!!!
You sure know how to pick your hero’s!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“in” has now been removed from ELIMATE.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWait! I thought going paperless was ENVIRONMENTALLY sound?!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:07 pmum…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:07 pmsurely this will be changed, like, today?… tomorrow at latest?
surely…
The information obtained by the FBI in their ILLEGAL warrantless wiretap program led to 1 terrorism prosecution out of 143,700 individual investigations.
And now the FBI wants to make it easier for them to do more ILLEGAL warrantless wiretaps without even a paper trail to document exigent circumstances.
Did I mention this warrantless wiretapping is ILLEGAL?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:09 pmJake sez:
Almost 18 years (from very first bombing to capture).
Here’s a couple for you, Jake:
- How many deaths was the Unabomber responsible for?
- How long did it take them to find Osama bin Laden?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:10 pmJeez, all the trolls are in here today, puking up their talking points.
They support illegal wiretapping. They support torture. They support treason.
The Repuke trolls are immoral, unethical and un-American. They have nothing to say and we really should ignore them.
But, I admit I cannot resist the temptation to bash them.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThe FBI building is closed today because of an electrical fire.
Probably one of their shredders overheated from all the extra work.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:13 pmJake
The “environment” is more than trees to make paper. It also includes our socio-political habitat. But, nice try – that was a very creative strawman and I do appreciate artistic talent.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThree preople were killed, and 23 wounded, by the Unabomber. Members of the U.S. government and private contractors are still actively searching for Osama too, so I cannot answer the second question phrased in the past tense.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#16 Jake:
Surely, errorchecking > piece of tree. We can’t trust this administration without paper trails, and as much as I like trees (because I like breathing), I like accountability much much more.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:16 pmOsama bin Laden will be dead 18 years from 9/11, one way or another.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:17 pmJake, the FBI could use 100% recycled paper.
This is about illegal wiretaps and covering them up.
Jake, you support lawbreaking by the FBI.
You scumbag.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHow long did it take them to find the Unibomber?
Comment by Jake
And how are you trying to justify the breaking of the law by law enforcement and the violation of civil rights with this strawman?
You justify violations of civil rights and of the constitution Why? Because you are pants-pissing scared the boogyman terrorists are gonna get you, that is why.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:19 pmYou are pathetic.
Jake sez:
OK…you can get back to me when they find him…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:20 pmHey, what about Joan of Arc?
Just another meaningless diversion…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:22 pmIF (and that’s still a big “if” in my mind) laws were broken, they were broken during wartime in order to defeat the enemy — I’ll take my chances with the Roberts Supreme Court on that one — read the Korematsu case some day.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:23 pmWill do, TripMaster Monkey.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:23 pmWe had Osama in our sights at Tora Bora.
The White House gave the order to our troops…STAND DOWN.
Osama got away.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:24 pmwhy wasn’t THAT in the abc movie tom3?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:27 pmWhat would Joan of Arc have to do with the topic?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:27 pmJake sez:
One way or another, indeed.
Sounds like you’re right in lockstep with Chimpy’s OBL policy of “I can’t be bothered”.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:28 pmJake and roger ,why do you hate our civil liberties ,and our constitution. What else must Americans part with to make you guys feel safer,?We’ve thrown away habeas corpus,the right to know what we’re being charged with , to face our accusers , the right to our privacy at home, work or at the library,the right to not have our homes searched in secret,the right to know what our government is doing,the right not to be tortured or rendered to secret imprisonment…all from an administration that has been caught lying straight faced to the American public on national TV and then exposed .
March 20th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThis is the same administration that has lied to the American people over the real reasons for it’s actions in Iraq which has caused the deaths of 650 000 people ,wounded and refugeed millions of innocents ,men women and children .An administration which gives no bid contracts to the corporations ,as in the vice presidents case , that they left to assume office and from whom they still receive moneys from while in office .A cabinet which includes a secretary of state who left a post on the board of a major oil company , which subsequently names an oil tanker after her.A cabinet whose main members wrote pre 911 that it was necessary to invade another country inorder to control oil and the developing world.
In addition Jake you don’t even claim to believe absolutely was ever elected to office legitimately.
Cowardess at the very least , treasonous by all appearances and so I ask again why do you hate our values as Americans and have you no respect for our institutions ?
Tom3:
John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald both escaped capture several times as well. Your point being we should have a Department of Precog like in Minority Report?
TMM:
Fine by me that Osama has not been able to strike America again.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pmRUCerious
You have just gotten proof that some trolls are sarcasm-deficient! Even when you go to the bother to actually explain it.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:32 pmBTW, I really enjoy your wonderfully timed non-sequitors!
How long did it take them to find the Unibomber?
Wait! I thought going paperless was ENVIRONMENTALLY sound?!
Just as on topic as these.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:33 pmThanks PLC…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:34 pmWhy did the founding fathers even bother to right the constitution in the first place Jake , since we never really needed it in the first place ?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:36 pmWhy would the phone companies want to comply with verbal requests. I would think that this would open them up to civil law suits and substantial monetary pain should any of this become public. This sure looks like a lose-lose proposal for the phone companies.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:36 pmThe Constitution was never intended as a suicide pact (now, the Declaration of Independence OTOH ; )
If you could teleport any Founding Father (save Jefferson) to the 21st Century, he would completely back me up.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:40 pmThe mere fact that this item is “out there” is enough to convince me that the 110th Democratic Congress is already aware of this and addressing it. The Patriot Act will eventually have to be realistically modified, befitting a democratic government. We’re still in process of flushing fascism down the toilet, with the turds that instituted it.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIf you could teleport any Founding Father (save Jefferson) to the 21st Century, he would completely back me up.
Comment by Jake
ROTFL. Please, stop, you’re killing me! I wasn’t prepared for such humor. Warn me next time, would you? Are you going on the road with your act? Let me know when you hit Ohio and I’ll tell all my friends.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pmJake sez:
Oh, it’s not a ’suicide pact’, Jake. Any time you feel that you can’t hack freedom, you’re entirely free to leave.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:44 pmAnd with everyone in the administration coming down with “selective amnesia” it will be much more difficult to prosecute anybody for violating the law.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:45 pmComment by Roger_Roger — March 20, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Again, you miss the point. The TERRORISTS are our own Government. In this case, our safety depends upon our privacy!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:46 pmwhat parts of the constituion DO you like jake and is there no end to your apologism in relation to this administration,whom your not even sure was elected to office ?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:47 pmMaybe you should be transported to nazi germany so you can see how good it gets IN A FASCIST STATE !
March 20th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPLC and TripMaster Monkey:
I’ll be here the whole week. Be sure to tip your waitress and try the veal.
Briseadh na Faire:
That’s where we disagree, of course.
freeman:
I like ALL parts of the Constitution and hope we can get back to its normal operation during peacetime as quickly as possible.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:52 pmJake
Nor was the creation of the Executive Branch a homocidal pact.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI was watching John Conyers’ committee investigating the FBI’s use of NSL’s. Maxine Waters raised the point that Ms. Cabroni (FBI counselor) and Mr. Fine (FBI Inspector General) were not sworn. John Conyers said they’d be in trouble anyway if they made a misstatement. Maxine Waters said she’d prefer they were under oath. Any ideas on why in the world Rep. Conyers didn’t put these two under oath?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmJake sez:
Good. Maybe you’ll be man enough now to stop caterwauling about ’suicide pacts’.
Then again, probably not.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:56 pm“By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.”
Benjamin Franklin
Sounds like the war on Iraq
March 20th, 2007 at 12:57 pmWrong. John Wilkes Booth was track from the Ford Theater to a tobacco that was set ablaze with him inside. When he came out he was shot in the neck. It took 12 days of chasing him, but he didn’t escape from being captured. When he was captured, he was dead from a gun shot wound to the neck.
Lee Harvey Oswald shot at Kennedy from the book depository in Dallas, then went home and grabbed a pistol. He was walking down the street where he was spotted by Officer JD Tippit, who Oswald ended up shooting. Oswald then entered the Texas Theater, where he was apprehended. He was eventually shot by Jack Ruby as he was being transported.
Nice try at rewriting history.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pm“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. ”
Benjamin Franklin
An oldie, but goodie.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pmi MUST ADMIT jAKE ,YOU ARE A POLITE fascist .
March 20th, 2007 at 1:00 pmSo, again, how is shooting Tippet “not escaping from being captured”? Or, how about this one: John Wilkes Booth escaped from a theatre and was caught in a warehouse. Lee Harvey Oswald escaped from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pmPLC:
O.K., I’ll give you Jefferson and Franklin then.
freeman:
You’re half right, at least.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:03 pmJake sez:
Indeed, freeman. Jake’s been less than polite on more than one occasion…
March 20th, 2007 at 1:08 pm#59- My God! That is fascinating! You’re a virtual warehouse of theatrical fact. Too bad you’re wasting your life, trying to turn propaganda into realism. You must be terribly bored with your nonexistent life and unhappy with your meager lot in life? Why me not believe you?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:08 pm“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”
March 20th, 2007 at 1:09 pmGeorge Washington
War (?) with who ,the people in Iraq ?Where is the enemy Jake ,hiding in a cave? Who will save us ,Haliiburton and Exxon executives ? When we can’t even identify them ,or locate them ,when will the war be over ?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:09 pm!/3 of the American public believes that 911 was a put up job by the Bush administration !
Criminal is too kind a word and your cowardess in the face of an enemy that can’t even be found is staggering .
DEMOCRACY NOW !!!!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pmIt was about 15 minutes. If you consider that “escaping capture” then we should have Osama bin Laden.
Or how about this one: John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald ran away from the scene of their crimes and evaded capture a little longer. Osama bin Laden was allowed to run away from the scene in Tora Bora by Bush.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:12 pmThat’s right — terrorists who kill with boxcutters and fly planes into buildings to bring them down are not really “conduct[ing] themselves as worthy members of the community” don’t you think?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pmIf 9/11 was a “put up job” then Bush should have been impeached.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:14 pm“When we assumed the Soldier, we did not lay aside the Citizen.”
March 20th, 2007 at 1:14 pmGeorge Washington
Oswald was “allowed to run away too” — from the official timeline:
12:31:30 PM: Lee is confronted in the lunchroom by Patrolman Marrion Baker. The superintendent of the building, Roy Truly, vouches for Lee, and he is released.
12:33 PM: Lee leaves the TSBD by the front door (presumed).
12:40 PM: Lee boards a bus to make his escape.
12:44 PM: Lee leaves the bus when it becomes bogged down in traffic.
12:48 PM: Lee hails a cab and asks to be taken to 500 North Beckley.
12:54 PM: Lee exits the cab in the 700 block of Beckley.
1:00 PM: Lee arrives on foot at his rooming house, where he retrieves his pistol.
1:03 PM: Lee leaves the rooming house.
1:16 PM: Lee shoots Officer J.D. Tippit and continues fleeing.
1:22 PM: Police broadcast a description of the suspect in the Tippit murder.
1:40 PM: Lee enters the Texas Theater.
1:50 PM: After a struggle with police, Lee is captured.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pmHow about if he was never really elected jake ?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pmHere Jake, I’ll throw you a bone:
Bonnie and Clyde escaped capture many many times.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pm“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. ”
March 20th, 2007 at 1:19 pmJohn Adams
This is a farce and as an independent thinker,in the face of so many loose ends ,you still believe everything the administration says ?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:19 pmIf we had wanted a KING GEORGE we would never have had a revolution in the first place !
Pray we don’t need another !
POWER CORRUPTS ,ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY !
March 20th, 2007 at 1:21 pm“If 9/11 was a “put up job†then Bush should have been impeached.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 1:14 pm”
It’s a little hard when Bush gags ANYONE who has evidence against them……
Just look at Siebel Edmonds, the MOST gagged person in history.
She has already stated that “if a true investigation into 9/11 were to take place, there would be several high level officials going to prison”.
Why is Bush preventing her from talking???? What do they have to hide???? Why do they prevent other CIA/FBI officials from talking as well?????
Well Jake??? Why keep them from telling what they know about the facts if there is nothing to hide? Why have several people stated that the Bush administration did play a roll, either directly or indirectly?????
But you dare not answer these other than to say the typical Republican talking points……. Your not concerned about FACTS, your concerned about keeping your KING in power so he can start eliminating the bad “liberals”.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pm“Liberty, according to my metaphysics is a self-determining power in an intellectual agent. It implies thought and choice and power. ”
March 20th, 2007 at 1:24 pmJohn Adams
How long did it take them to find the Unibomber?
And LOOK how long it’s taken them to track down bin Laden even with all the illegal spying! Clearly, illegal spying is the way to go.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:29 pmComment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Are you trying to make some sort of point with all this drivel, Jake? With you, it’s always hard to tell…
March 20th, 2007 at 1:37 pmThe better question for liberals is “Why wouldn’t want the govt spying on terrorists?”
Are you hoping the terrorists win? Are you hoping America is struck again so you can blame Bush more?
Why do you hate our country so much you would actually risk letting these terrorists communicate without tapping their phones?
FDR would have sent each and everyone of you off to camp or SHUT YOU down like he did the media in the 1940s. You have disgraced him.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#77 – You’re quoting a man who came from a time when war was declared over beverage taxes!!!! You have no idea what you are talking about. Our forefathers would have called you out as the traitor you are. Probably would have executed you – they did that back then when treason was committed.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:45 pmOur forefathers would have called you out as the traitor you are. Probably would have executed you – they did that back then when treason was committed. Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — March 20, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Our forefathers fought to avoid the ’search homes for the American terrorists without a warrant’ attitudes of the British. You would have been seen as a ‘Brit’, and anti-American – dum bass! You idiots are as ignorant of American History and American Values, as you are hypocritical about your own sexual morality.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:49 pmLiberals Heart Terrorists,
If this was back when people were killed for treason, I would be more than happy to take care of you.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmYou’re quoting a man who came from a time when war was declared over beverage taxes!!!! Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists
Oh, I forgot that all that other stuff in the Declaration of Independence was just filler. There really weren’t any other issues of freedom or liberties on the minds of the Founding Fathers. They just wanted a tax-free tea party. Just like you neocons want a tax-free war party. I wish I was half as smart as you think you are then I could be half-a**ed smart like you.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:53 pm#83 – is that a threat? I’ll be sure to report you to the police.
#82 – our forefathers understood the threats our enemies posed to us. You have sided with the enemy for cheap, political points.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:54 pm#84 – you’re a pig. You invoke a man you apparently knew nothing about. You should hang your head in shame and go live with your beloved terrorist friends. You are not a patriotic American.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:55 pmLiberal hating terrorist
March 20th, 2007 at 1:57 pmA quote from your idols on the need to invade the mid east PRE 911 and I quote,
” but barring a national catastrophy it will be hard to galvanize the American public behind such a scheme. ”
PNAC paper trail
Look you repug trolls, this isn’t something to fight over. Our freedom and democracy is more important then anthing else we got. We fought for that right and died for it. Folks in Iraq are fighting that same fight right now. You know how important it is just like every other person on earth. Bush is wrong to wire tap without a warrent. It truly scares the hell out of me. Living in freedom does come with some risks. I personally am willing to live with some added risks if it allows my freedom. The Dems are correct on this front. I congradulate them for fighting to protect our freedom and I hope they make their choices for Iraq based on what will ultimately create freedom for the poor folks of Iraq. Freedom is worth dying over so I certainly am not willing to simply hand over some of it for nothing. Anyone attempting to take away even an ounce of my or anyone else’s freedom would have a fight on their hands. It is completely wrong to take away someone’s freedom or by your actions/inactions hold someone back from freedom.
Our government should only make plans, laws, and war decisions based on what will add or enhance our freedom and the people of other countries freedom. It is criminal to wire tap our phones just like it should be criminal to make decisions on Iraq that would hurt the cause of freedom. I hope bush changes his ways on wire tapping and I hope the Dems continue to support the Iraq war so the Iraqis continue to have a chance at the Freedom they deserve.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:59 pmLiberal hating terror
March 20th, 2007 at 2:00 pmCan you read or are you as sorry in that department as in your lack of faith in American institutions and basic morality ?
Liberal hating terror
March 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmCan you read or are you as sorry in that department as in your l faith in American institutions and basic morality ?
#89 – you most likely supported an admitted war criminal in 2004 and then tried to use his questionable service to attack the current Commander-in-Chief. Exactly who’s immoral?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pmThe terrorist hate us for our freedoms
March 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pmBaby bush
WOW….. I really like this post by RR….
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 20, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
A Repub that uses common sense. We may not agree on everything, but at least he admits that what Bush is doing is against our Freedom and risks our future.
I solute your RR! You may not agree with all of what is said, but you at least get some of the MOST IMPORTANT aspects of what the “Dems” are fighting for.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pmIraq had nothing to do with 911 or al qaeda .
March 20th, 2007 at 2:05 pmthe 911 commision .
Does anyone see my posts?
Just a check. Please let me know if this is actually posting.
Thanks.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAre you going to report to the police that I threatened to harm you 200 years ago? Stupid troll.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRemoveBush,
I see it.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pm# 93 and RR
March 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pmBravo !
I see your posts, RemoveBush.
Please continue. This site needs as much of your input as it can get.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pmremove butch,
March 20th, 2007 at 2:11 pmI see you man
The 2 party system is atleast partly to blame for our present political crisis as is the electoral college !
March 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThanks…..
March 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#84 – you’re a pig. You invoke a man you apparently knew nothing about. You should hang your head in shame and go live with your beloved terrorist friends. You are not a patriotic American.
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists
Somebody needs a hug!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pmStamps are looking better and better all the time. Analog correspondence, in security envelopes with wax seals.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhat I don’t like is how both parties only fake what they truly care about. The Dems are completely right on this issue because it endangers our Democracy and our Freedom. They problem is that the Dems do a 180 on other issues involving Freedom. The are happy to demand Pace not be allowed his Freedom of Speech. In their campaign, they were advocating that Iraqi’s don’t deserve a chance at freedom. Luckily they have changed their tune and are now fully supporting the Iraq war and are even promoting extending it. I truly hope the Dems can work with Bush to better clean up our mess and work with the Iraqis in their journey towards the freedom they so much deserve. The repugs are also equally to blame. They speak about freedom as being important and then decide to limit the freedom of future generations checkbooks by creating the largest federal budgets in the histry of the USA. Furthermore, the defend the idea of wire tapping Americans without warrents and even try to appoint new US attorney’s without the people’s elected reps getting a chance to say yes or no. These are all grave attempts to take away the Freedom of American citizens and take away the chance of freedom from other people’s of the world. Both parties need to wake up and realize they are simply “fighting these fights” for political gain. They seem to both do whatever is in their interests. It is amazing how neither party seems to consider what our best interests are. Furthermore, it is amazing we the people allow them to get away with it over and over even when they say one thing to get elected and then do the complete opposite. It proves how loyal each party is when you watch an antiwar blogger defend the Dems new prowar stance or when you see a profreedom conservative blogger defend Bush illegally wire tapping us and taking away a certain portion of their freedom. LONG LIVE POLTICS!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThat’s where we disagree, of course.
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
I can only conclude it’s because of willful blindness on your part.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:07 pm…trust us…
:-) heheheheheh!!!
-Bushiva, L’il Dick and Murder Inc.-
March 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhat I don’t like is how both parties only fake what they truly care about. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 20, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
What I don’t like is how you pretend to be an *independent*, while carrying water as a full time bush *cultist*. You’re a st*pid old c*nt, you freak!
March 20th, 2007 at 5:27 pmDo “ORAL” Requests INCLUDE PULLING THE PHONE COMPANY OFFICIALS’ ZIPPERS DOWN AND GETTING THEM HARD BEFORE THE FBI GETS ON ITS KNEES AND…….BLUB BLUB BLUB BLUB!!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 10:48 pm