FACT CHECK: There Is No Precedent Barring White House Aides From Testifying To Congress
FACT CHECK: There Is No Precedent Barring White House Aides From Testifying To Congress
Senate Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-VT) has called on Karl Rove and other top White House aides to testify under oath in front of Congress concerning their role in the U.S. attorney purge. A response from White House Counsel Fred Fielding is expected today, but in the meantime, the White House and its allies have put up a fight, arguing that presidential advisers have historically not testified in front of Congress:
White House Press Secretary Tony Snow: Well, as you know, Ed, it has been traditional in all White Houses not to have staffers testify on Capitol Hill. [3/13/07]
White House Counselor Dan Bartlett: I find it highly unlikely that a member of the White House staff would testify publicly to these matters. [3/13/07]
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH): No, I think you’re violating a precedent there that should not be violated. … I believe that under the separation of powers, there are limits to the extent to which Congress can subpoena or demand testimony from those who were closest to the president. [3/15/07]
But in reality, there is no such precedent. According to the Congressional Research Service, under President Clinton, 31 of his top aides testified on 47 different occasions. The aides who testified included some of Clinton’s closest advisors:
Harold Ickes, Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff – 7/28/94
George Stephanopoulos, Senior Adviser to the President for Policy and Strategy – 8/4/94
John Podesta, Assistant to the President and Staff Secretary – 8/5/94
Bruce R. Lindsey, Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel to the President – 1/16/96
Samuel Berger, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs – 9/11/97
Beth Nolan, Counsel to the President – 5/4/00
In contrast, between 2000 and 2004, Bush allowed only one of his closest advisers, then-Assistant to the President for Homeland Security Tom Ridge, to appear in front of Congress. He has also refused three invitations from Congress for his aides to testify, a first since President Richard Nixon in 1972. Clinton did not refuse any.
CRS also notes that although “White House aides do not testify before congressional committees in a regular basis…under certain conditions they do. First, intense and escalating political embarrassment may convince the White House that it is in the interest of the President to have these aides testify and ventilate the issue fully. Second, initial White House resistance may give way in the face of concerted congressional and public pressure.”
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Thanks, TP, for providing the fact that there is no precedent and certainly now law under which they can now hide.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:16 amsorry….”no law”….my fingers haven’t fully awakened this morning. Sorry for the typo.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:17 amsubpoena rove’s ass and, if he refuses, hold him in contempt of congress and toss him in jail…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
March 20th, 2007 at 10:18 amAnd it can be clearly assumed that if the WH is putting pressure on them to not testify, there’s a pile of info they do not want to be brought out….any resistance on Rove or Bush’s part is only indicative of guilt. Otherwise, what would they have to hide???
March 20th, 2007 at 10:18 amYeah. Right. Members of the administration don’t have to testify before Congress. Nixon called it “Executive Privilege”. He’s also the guy who is “if the president does something, that means it is not illegal.”
Haldeman. Erlichman. Dean. Mitchell. They ALL testified and the truth came out. That’s the purpose of an investigation. We’re at the coverup stage of this administration…
March 20th, 2007 at 10:21 amThey don’t seem to care so much about the precedent of not firing sitting US attorneys who aren’t ‘loyal’ enough to the president.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:21 amI want Rove in a Congressional hearing, I don’t care what needs to be done to get him there. Handcuffs are a lovely idea….
I have no doubt that he will lie with a straight face, but I want him sitting in that chair, under oath, and on camera when he does it.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:22 amWhy is everyone still so afraid of Rove? Does he know where so many bodies are buried that no one can cross him? Maybe his strategy of ensuring that he’s the only marginally competent person in the room is saving his ass.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:22 amJust as always they Bushies state a complete falsehood as if it’s fact. And how many Americans believe it because they said it? Even our trolls, once the truth is shown to them, disavow the truth saying its all politics or where’s the proof.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:24 amWhy don’t they ever ask the administration where the proof is for the web of lies they’ve woven.
concerted public pressure????
the only pressure is from the Democrats and the media who smell blood.
furthermore, I seem to remember the Clinton White House fighting hard a Republican control Congress in the 1990s to not allow members of their White HOuse testify.
Once again, thinkprogress.org being 100% dishonest. But what can we expect, honestly and truth is not exactly the lefts forte, right?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:24 amAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
Comment by profmarcus — March 20, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Thanks for speaking for all of us – except the trolls that is.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:26 amprofmarcus,
please, please, please read up on Constitutional Law!!!!
The Executive Branch has every single right to not testify before Congress!
Seperations of Powers people!
If Congress had the ability to force the Executive Branch to testify at its whims our government would be controlled by one of its Branches and not all three.
sorry Thinkprogress, but like most of the time, you are 100% wrong.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:28 amHah! There goes Boner-Boehner’s “precedent argument”. This guy should be sidelined due to his complicity in the Foley scandal anyway.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:29 amBut, But, Butt Clinton?##!~~
March 20th, 2007 at 10:29 amWhat is at play here and some of you fringe liberals have already said is that the left hates Karl Rove so much that they want him on the hot seat.
Democrats wants to destroy Karl Rove, they feel that he has harmed them and they want to destroy him.
how truly and honestly sad.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:30 amBut, But Butt, Separation of Powers or Executive Privilege!!! No subpoenas, no, please, wait….We’ll get back to you about your “request” sometime in Jan 09…
March 20th, 2007 at 10:31 amSince when did the Bushites let the Law or Facts get in their way?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:31 amshane,
it is more like Democrats and outlets like thinkprogress.org put out lies and individuals like you believe them because you have to justify your hate for this admininstration.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:32 amWhite House Press Secretary Tony Snow: Well, as you know, Ed, it has been traditional in all White Houses not to have staffers testify on Capitol Hill
Snowflake, ‘all’ WH’s is totally inaccurate. It should read ‘this’ WH does not have staffers testify for two reasons…
-We cannot allow them to repeat our lies
-Until now, we had a majority & no one dared to testify against us.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:32 amIf Rove has nothing to hide, let him come forward, under oath and speak the TRUTH.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:32 amHow is this bad for the country, unless he has something to hide???
…and KKKarl Rove hasn’t detroyed anybody?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:33 amuuuuuuu Clinton did it, his aides testified… Opps I guess the righties will not use this as one of their but Clinton tirades…
March 20th, 2007 at 10:33 amNow why would anyone hate Karl Rove. Howsad, could you give us some glowing reviews of all the good this man has done? Please, do tell.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:35 am#8 Rove’s demeanor reeks of any psychopath/sociopath we’ve ever observed whether it’s Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, or John Couey. They have the detachment of conscience to sit there and be unaffected by consequences of their criminal behavior. The reason people fear Rove is that have seen the innerworkings of a very demented mind in action with his chicanery, double talk, and conman coverup antics. Rove’s fingerprints are all over each and every lie & criminal action in this administration. They’ve called him “boy wonder” for good reason. Since he was unpopular all of his life because of the way he looked (nerd personified) he realized that “mind games” could be his strong suit and he developed his deceptive tactics early on.
I agree with Zooey though and I can’t wait to watch this pathological liar squirm and/or sit there totally detached from the reality of the hearing and his part in the cover-up.
This is the Watergate Cover-up redux; this is the Fall of the House of Bush.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:35 amHow sad that each
March 20th, 2007 at 10:35 amGallon of water weighs 8.345404 pounds.
Must be excruciating carrying so much.
howsad–
Well, there’s this little thing about Rove and the administration that we don’t like…that they sent our sons and daughters and husbands and wives to lose their limbs and lives to play out their little psycho-drama in Iraq. If these people weren’t doing terrible things, we wouldn’t be trying to stop them.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:35 am#19 Snowjob Tony will soon be joining Scott McClellan and his sound bites will be used in testimony against this administration in hearings to come. He’s another quintessential “puppet”.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:36 amVeritas :
thanks for a well written and well thought out post.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:38 amIt’s going to be hard to hide this under cover of executive privilege – the history of that tactic would seem to indicate a crime has been committed. Maybe they’ll try the “national security” gambit.
Hey, howsad:
If there wasn’t “concerted public pressure” you wouldn’t be posting here. And, you have the audacity to accuse the left of dishonesty? YOUR leaders are blatant liars. Are you trippin’ or stupid?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:38 amTrolls are likely to blow a gasket trying to spin this: Bush can purge USAs because Clinton did, but Bush can ignore the fact that Clinton’s advisors were subpoened to testify to Congress. Whirrrrrrrr, Boom!
Get Rove under oath and don’t stop with questions about the purge of USAs. Ask about outing Plame. Ask about wiretapping American citizens without court order. Ask about voter fraud. Hhhmm, this wouldn’t be the neocon fear, could it?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:39 amJake, why are your guys so worried about testifying under oath if they haven’t done anything illegal? I think you’ve been asked this question several times, but I don’t recall seeing your answer.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:40 amI seem to remember the Clinton White House fighting hard a Republican control Congress in the 1990s to not allow members of their White HOuse testify.
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Hey trollbreath – just ignore the facts, make shit up and everybody will believe. Another troll taking lessons from Mein Kampf no doubt.
Here’s a clue – you can’t hear what the SILENT MAJORITY is saying, that’s why they call it silent einstein. Of course yesterday we saw how you trolls cherry pick polls so why don’t you go watch
Fox Lose and find us one that fits your argument.
Then repeat it over and over and over and the other trolls will give you a big Heil Hitler.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:41 amJake, why are your guys so worried about testifying under oath if they haven’t done anything illegal? I think you’ve been asked this question several times, but I don’t recall seeing your answer.
Comment by VerbalKint — March 20, 2007 @ 10:40 am
I don’t care for this reasoning, its the same type they use to justify warrantless wiretaps.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:42 amhowsad: Please read up on Constitutional Law!
Congress has every right to subpoena members of the Executive Branch. “The separate powers were not intended to operate with absolute independence. The Constitution enjoins upon its branches separateness but interdependence, autonomy but reciprocity.” – U.S. Supreme Court (U.S. v. Nixon, 1974). (See also Gorsuch v. House of Representatives (DC., 1983); Morrison v. Olson (U.S., 1988).)
March 20th, 2007 at 10:44 amPLC, perhaps the trolls could study the Sufi to learn about spinning?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:44 amplease, please, please read up on Constitutional Law!!!!
The Executive Branch has every single right to not testify before Congress!
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 10:28 am
And I assume you have this interpretation because you have your law degree and fought a constitutional law case in front of the Supreme Court on this issue. Where exactly did you get your degree and the case was ???? vs. United States Congress. Please give us the case info and will look it up.
Otherwise your just another troll simpleton who doesn’t understand how the law works. And how specialized Constitutional Law is and how there may be precedent on cases but there is never a definitive answer to an issue under the law.
If the law was definitive as you trolls state why do we need a Supreme Court or any judges for that matter.
You trolls just love to play judge, jury and executioner don’t you?
Where did you get your law degree?
March 20th, 2007 at 10:46 amWhat’s becoming even more overwhelmingly clear in this latest scandal (how many in the last two weeks?) is that nothing, nothing matters to these people except power.
There is no other credible explanation for why they do what they do.
They don’t care about process; they don’t care about representative democracy; they don’t care about separation of powers; they don’t care about Constitution or our nation’s laws.
They will say and do whatever works to their advantage. They care nothing about the consequences for the rest of us.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:52 amit is more like Democrats and outlets like thinkprogress.org put out lies and individuals like you believe them because you have to justify your hate for this admininstration.
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Oh and Fox news tells the truth and nothing but the truth. Your not really that stupid are you?
No really, tell me you’re not and this is a put on?
Your congress had six years to exercise some oversight and did nothing. Sat on their hands.
And your buddy Malign and Smear Rove is the reason so many Republican were afraid to bring up any issues of impropriety.
You want to step on your pr**k defending Rove. A man who wouldn’t piss on his mother if she was on fire you go ahead. We’ll just add that to your Resume of Credibility and really respect your arguments from now on.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:52 amwow, you Liberals are too predictable! your hate for Karl Rove is pathetic…
So, do you guys hate the Clinton administration who had 5,000+ troops die while he was in the White House and were supposedly not at war.
do you guys hate the Clinton administration since they gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton and those other “evil” corporations for war profeting?
Oh ooops sorry, you guys only mind stuff like this when Republicans doe it, you guys could careless when Democrats do it.
I am laughing at the Liberal hateful rants against Karl Rove.
keep on amusing me liberals.
you kids are funny. thanks for the laughs.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:53 amHowsad, did you bother to read the attachment? I’m still waiting for the wonderful deeds of Karl Rove.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:54 amAnd You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid, (yeah, Reagan was so stupid he ended the Cold War)
Congress can subpoena any member of the Executive Branch it wants, it doesn’t mean that the Executibe Branch has to make an apperance!
In more than one occassion the Judicial Branch has stepped in and rendered Congressional subpoenas useless because of seperations of powers.
read up on your Constitutional Law, don’t pick and chose what is convinient for your argument.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:56 amHow sad that howsad’s logic is so bad that he has to resort to the Clintonbad retorts.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:58 am#15 howsad
What is at play here and some of you fringe liberals have already said is that the left hates Karl Rove so much that they want him on the hot seat.
Democrats wants to destroy Karl Rove, they feel that he has harmed them and they want to destroy him.
how truly and honestly sad.
If Karl Rove didn’t have his hands in so many different pies, he wouldn’t be constantly getting accused of it. He took this on. He prides himself on being able to pull ALL the strings. He’s been directing traffic in the White House and making sure that every single breath that a member of this administration takes in some way contributes to a political payoff for Bush. Every policy, every piece of legislation, every deal has to have a political angle to it. That’s Rove’s doing.
You can bet the house that Rove was behind getting his protege, Tim Griffin, into the Arkansas USA’s office. And the primary reason was to stir up mischief if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination. All politics, all the time.
Rove’s public statements alone are enough to earn him contempt. But, it’s his constant manipulation of political processes that are going to get him on the hotseat. He asked for it.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:59 am#41: any case cites? Or are you just pulling your argument out of your butt? See, I cited cases… this is how the law works.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:59 amHey Liberals, tell you what…
When Bush and his administration refuse to give up power on January 2008 I will believe your hateful rants against them, until then please stop with the ridiculous and embarrasing yourself comments like, “Bush is a dictator…” crap, ok? deal?
You guys control Congress, barely, why are you liberals so angry and hateful?
Amazing how you Liberals expressed outrage at the so called right wing hatred of Clinton in the 1990s, but you guys have no problem being hateful towards Republicans.
March 20th, 2007 at 10:59 amhowsad: your argument is basically, “on more than one occasion”? Typical Republican. You have no facts, just your lousy opinion and talking points.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:00 amComment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid — March 20, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Thanks for the great post – it’s what I was trying to say right after but unlike the trolls I admit I am not an attorney.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:00 amThreads like this they’re all attorneys. Women’s health, they’re all doctors.
Bunch of geniuses our little trolls.
How’s that law degree working for you howsad?? Mine has served me well.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:01 amIn more than one occassion the Judicial Branch has stepped in and rendered Congressional subpoenas useless because of seperations of powers.
read up on your Constitutional Law, don’t pick and chose what is convinient for your argument.
Comment by howsad
So, that means that ON more than one occasion, the Judicial Branch did NOT step in and squash Congressional subpoenas on the basis of separation of powers. So, who is picking and chosing what is convenient for both the argument and the suspicious behavior of his leader?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:01 am#5 -publicus: You are right..all participants of the White House Watergate scandal under Nixon were called to testify before the Congress,Haldeman,Erlichman, J.Dean in addtion to Attorney General J.Mitchell.
As an insider , John Dean testimony was critical in breaking the case against Nixon.
It was aired then by all major networks live,due to the importance of the matter(No cables then).
But for T.Snow to claim that it is a tradition that no White House staff ever testified is not accurate at all.
Not to forget that also Clinton’s staff also testified….before the Congress.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:01 am“I don’t care for this reasoning, its the same type they use to justify warrantless wiretaps.
Comment by erock — March 20, 2007 @ 10:42 am”
But thats why it fits……
The supporters of “warrentless wiretaps” always use this as an arguing point! So by using their logic, “if they have nothing to hide then they should be willing to testify under oath.”
It’s them that began this walk down the isle. We are simply providing them with thier own words and using it to show how stupid it is that they spew this stuff.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:03 amthe Clinton administration who had 5,000+ troops die - so sad…
huh?????
March 20th, 2007 at 11:03 amDon’t pick and choose? You pick out the number of 5,000 deaths durning Clinton’s 8 years but neglect to show that the number encompasses all deaths in the military, including natural deaths. How about stating the deaths during the current administration. I’ll hunt for it also and get back to you sadsack.
How about the cut and run Reagan did after Beruit? Something tells me you didn’t push your chest out with pride at that time.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:03 amTroll: “I’m not a real attorney, I just play one on TP.”
March 20th, 2007 at 11:03 amhowsad..”urthermore, I seem to remember the Clinton White House fighting hard a Republican control Congress in the 1990s to not allow members of their White HOuse testify.”
The operative words here are “I seem to remember”. Of course you “seem to remember”, it was Clinton and it’s always “Clinton did it!”. If what you say is true, it should not be hard for you to do a Google search and come up with the facts. Don’t accuse TP of being 100% dishonest when you have no facts on your side. If you have facts, then you can make your accusation.
Gawd…these trolls are so stupid. Do you think any of them even know how to use Google?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:04 am33 on 31. Yes.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:04 amWhat’s up with that?
Reagan destroyed you Liberals,
All you need to do is look into the Clinton White House scandals and you will find countless times that the Clinton White House argued that his staffers didn’t have to testify infront of a Republican controlled Congress….and it went Clinton’s way.
But for the sake of arguement, during my lunch time, I will look for a case and put it up. In the mean time, I am sure you are also capable of doing your research, right?
or like a good liberal do you want free education?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:05 amAnd You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid, (yeah, Reagan was so stupid he ended the Cold War)Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Ended the cold war. The Soviets were waving a white flag and Reagan refused to see it. They wanted the war over but Reagan couldn’t keep giving money to weapons manufacturer if he admitted the war was over.
We can thank Regan for all those extra nuclear weapons that were built by the Soviets and us because he wanted to keep playing war games.
Ended the cold war indeed.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:07 amThanks, Shane. As usual, the facts are on our side.
Looks like howsad is running off. Just like Tom “Never Surrender” Delay.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:08 amHowsad,
You seem bent on arguing legalities.
How about Patrick Fitzgerald? Would you support him for AG?
No bullshit, please. Just answer the question.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:08 amOver 6000 Americans have died while The Dimness has misruled,a former Halliburton exec practically shoved business to his old company,Katrina, etc.etc.etc. The fact that HowSad’s name is most appropiate for blinded Bushites is the truth he/she/it has spewed.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:08 amHey, isn’t Reagan the guy who illegally sold arms to Iran? Yes, yes, he is.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:09 amI don’t care for this reasoning, its the same type they use to justify warrantless wiretaps.
Comment by erock — March 20, 2007 @ 10:42 am
It isn’t the same. There is evidence of crimes. There is probable cause. I didn’t say anything about supporting subpoenas in the absence of probable cause. But thanks for bringing it up, it is an important point.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:09 am#51 on #33. The reason their verbal jujitsu works: if you ignore it, you’re on the mat; if you respond to it, you’re on the mat. Need another tactic.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:10 amShane,
you keep on believing the Liberal propaganda and your brain will turn to jello…..
I am sorry that Reagan destroyed you Liberals and destroyed the Communist regimes that most of you Liberals supported, admired and adored.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:12 am“All you need to do is look into the Clinton White House scandals and you will find countless times that the Clinton White House argued that his staffers didn’t have to testify infront of a Republican controlled Congress….and it went Clinton’s way.” howsad…
Facts, man, facts. Stop posting this drivel unless you have facts. Here’s a hint. Go to Google and enter something like “Clinton staffers refuse to testify” or something like that. And then when you find the facts, post the link to what you found here.
Unless you can come up with facts and stop pontificating your opinions or talking points, just STFU!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:12 amComment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 10:53 am
I haven’t seen this particular troll moniker, but this troll sounds mighty familiar. Sounds like another party operative, if you ask me. I don’t see Jake around these parts anywhere right now.
Howsad, recycling the same dead talking points here under a different name isn’t going to work. It just looks desperate. Your guys are on the ropes.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:13 amComment by shane — March 20, 2007 @ 11:07 am
Yes, shane, I too get a good laugh every time I hear a Kool-Aid swiller try to give Reagan credit for ending the Cold War. ^_^
March 20th, 2007 at 11:13 am#12 howsad
please, please, please read up on Constitutional Law!!!!
The Executive Branch has every single right to not testify before Congress!
Seperations of Powers people!
Explain what you think “Separation of Powers” means and see if you can find it defined in the Constitution. If you read carefully, you might learn that it means the exact opposite of what you think it means. If Congress were doing the bidding of the president, instead of being independent, that would go against a separation of powers. If the judicial branch were controlled by the president, that would go against a separation of powers. For one branch to ‘check’ and ‘balance’ another is to uphold a separation of powers.
If Congress had the ability to force the Executive Branch to testify at its whims our government would be controlled by one of its Branches and not all three.
If the executive branch were immune from congressional oversight and inquiry, the branches would not be equal. Who’s going to save us from a tyrant then? The kind of government you think we have would be perfect for another Hitler to take over. It’s not the way we do things here. It’s not the way the founding fathers set this thing up for us. And, you’re not going to change it. Bush has taken this government as far along the path to dictatorship as he’s going to. We had an election. The people spoke. And the people said it’s time to pull in the reins on this maniac. Congress is doing exactly what it’s supposed to now.
sorry Thinkprogress, but like most of the time, you are 100% wrong.
Prove it.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:14 amTurd-Blossum on camera under oath lying about his and others involvement.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:15 amI think . . . . yes . . . . they could put it on fox and I believe I would still tune in.
I got well down into the list of comments before I began to see people feeding the trolls again. I thought for a moment there that people had wised up, and could enjoy the panic that sets in in a troll’s “mind” when he’s being completely ignored.
Pointing out the stupidity of the troll arguments is fun at times, but it does tend to sidetrack any real discussion because trolls never learn, and never concede a point. Ever.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:16 amWhen Bush and his administration refuse to give up power on January 2008 I will believe your hateful rants against them . until then please stop with the ridiculous and embarrasing yourself comments like, “Bush is a dictator…
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Now I’m assuming HOWSAD is the name your mother gave you.
How dare you come to this site and tell us what we can say or think or post. Who do you think you are and where do you get the nerve to come here and dictate policy. This site isn’t for asswipes like you its for progressived. Not for backward, back woods types who believe what’s easiest for them to swallow.
The fact that you’ve been wrong is I’m sure scary for you but frankly, take it somewhere else.
You want to bully people and tell them what to say you better go to some neocon puppet site and stroke them into believing the same old lies cause that dog won’t hunt around here.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:17 am#56, #64 — dog-walker, please read #51 and #63
March 20th, 2007 at 11:17 am5,000 Troops died while Clinton was in office? DOcumentation please…
March 20th, 2007 at 11:18 amOr are you coutning veterans who passed away years after their sevice was completed? Is your hatred of Clinton so fierce and so blinding that you can’t even make up remotely beleiveable lies?
#66 Kate Henry
March 20th, 2007 at 11:19 am*stands up clapping*
I second that motion.
you keep on believing the Liberal propaganda and your brain will turn to jello…..
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Tough talk, howsad, but everyone can see through the false bravado of a dead end loser. It’s the tears of a clown.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:19 amhowsad, No one in the GOP hated Clinton did they. No you are such a hypocrite!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:19 amhowsad
I thought you said you were “out to lunch”?
Yeah, right, it’s us liberals and progressives who have loved regimes that suppress individual rights, suppress media criticism, attempt to colonize other countries, and bankrupt their own country with the self-serving agenda of its dictatorial leader. If you can’t see the Bush Administration in this description, you are most assuredly “out to lunch”.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:19 amyou liberals are such hateful whiners…..
it is like crying over Gen. Pace’s comments, yet you don’t speak about who put into place the don’t ask, don’t tell policy in the military….who did it LIbbies, who?
Your god, President Pinochio Clinton. remember that Libbies? but somehow you hateful liberals put it on Republicans.
whiners, whiners, whiners.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when Clinton used the Enchelon program to spy on Americans.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when under Clinton 5,000+ troops died in battles around the world.
Democrats and Liberals were silent in 1993 when the first WTC was attacked.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when Clinton was obstruction justice.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when Clinton gave no-bid contracts to Halliburton and other so called war profeting companies.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when Clinton was caught telling Monica Lewnsky how to testify in court.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when Clinton was caught selling state secrets to China.
Democrats and Liberals were silent when our educaiton under Clinton tanked.
under Clinton, you Liberals saw no scandals, now you see all types of scandals.
I am sorry that your god Clinton was such a waste of a President.
I am sorry that despite you Liberals controlling Congress, you guys are so full of hate.
I mean, you Liberals have been whinning and complaning about one party having control of all branches of our government, right? well, if a Democrat wins in 2008 aren’t you guys going to control all of our government? so by the nature of your own arguments, complaining that one party controll of Congress and the White House is bad, all of you should be against voting for a Democrat President, right?
oh, no I forgot, you guys don’t mind when the Democrats do it, you just mind it when Republicans do it. I forgot.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:21 amCRS also notes that although “White House aides do not testify
BTW, CRS used to be called the legislative services division. They changed the name in the 1970s because it abbreviated as LSD.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:22 amSadsack is just another pimple on my ass. He is so completely scared that the dream of an eternal Republican domination has faltered in less time than the Third Riech. He’s probably got a cyanide capsule hidden in a tooth right now but he’ll keep marching to the tune of the Rovinator until the walls come crumbling down and then “crunch” goes the capsule.
Sadsack is nothing more than the disgusting odor when your in a crowded room. As bad as it/he is it will go away when the fresh air is allowed to enter.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:23 amPLC, yes, the bloviating whiny howbitter IS out to lunch. Apparently permanently.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:25 amTwo concepts, inexorably intertwined.
Separation of Powers/Checks and Balances.
shane, shane….stop foaming at the mouth….grab something and clean your mouth…
now little shane….I have to right to say whatever the heck I want under the United States Constitution I can tell each and everyone of you what to say or not to say….it is yoru choice to do it or not.
why do you want to silence my right to tell yout o shut-up? I thought you liberals loved freedom of speech?
thanks for proving my point that you liberals only love freedom of speech when it agrees with your hateful speech.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:26 amTroll: “I’m not a real attorney, I just play one on TP.â€
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — March 20, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Good one – really good one.
Oh and howreally sad – why don’t you watch the film “Bush’s Brain” and get back to us on how Rover is just misunderstood. Or you could contact Max Cleland, a true American Hero, and see how he was smeared by KKK Rove while he was stealing Cleland’s Senate seat.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:26 amEvil is evil. The end doesn’t justify the means. And Rove’s place in hell is reserved for him.
#79 = a classic temper tantrum, a sustained and loud whine intended to annoy the adult for setting limits
howsad, go to time-out before you get lunch. Someone at TP will tell you when you can get out.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amhowsad is a Repuke troll. He lives under a bridge and screws his sister.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amThe term “separation of powers” is a fabrication. There is no such statement in the Constitution. Simply said, the congress represents the people, drafting laws to protect and assist the populace, and the president (executive) executes the administration of laws. Obviously the people, through their representatives, have a right to receive testimony from the executive as to how the laws are executed.
Right is right. It doesn’t matter one whit what Clinton staffers did or didn’t do. This is a nation of laws, a democracy, not a nation of Clinton staffers.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amshane and tripmaster talking about Kool-aid drinkers…..you two have been drinkingn Kool-Aid from the left so much that you deny it even exists, right?
put down your drinks and start thinking on your own, stop your blind following of the left….think on your own.
Shane you constantly spew left wing talking points. You are constantly spewing DNC talking points and you talk about righties drinking Kool-Aid?
wow….you Libbies do give me a good laugh.
keep on amusing me.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:28 am#18
Howsad,
What it is like is that you continually lie to yourself to justify your blind devotion to this administration. How sad indeed. Tell me, what exactly would it take for you to not be a slavish drone trying to spin everything in Bush’s favor?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:29 amI wonder what would happen to the military if all those terrible gays started telling and asking and asking to be removed from service. What would happen to the military then? Maybe 7% of the military is gay. That would really cut into this administrations plans.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:29 amI see the inbred redneck Repuke troll is whining “Clinton did it too!”
That doesn’t make it right for Chimpy to do it.
You Repukes need to send your moral compass into the shop for repairs.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:29 amTom3,
thanks for showing the typical liberal hate for anyone that disagrees with them…
what happened to you Liberals demanding respect to different point of views?
Oh I forgot, it only applies to accepting lefties and not righties….my bad, forgot you guys are completly intolerant of anyone that disagrees with your morals and worldview. so much for Liberals being open minded and compassionate.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:31 amThanks Don Bacon for restoring some sense of calm. We are a nation of laws and will push to continue that way.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:32 amTweedster,
I wouldln’t know, but you should know….why don’t you tell me
What it is like is that you continually lie to yourself to justify your blind devotion to Democrats and Liberlas. How sad indeed. Tell me, what exactly would it take for you to not be a slavish drone trying to spin everything against Bush and for Democrats and Liberals? don’t know, but you should know…you tell me…
March 20th, 2007 at 11:32 amWhat’s the problem with Congress asking the Bush administration folks to have a little chat about things on the record?
During the 5 1/2 years when no one was asking them for an explanation of anything they did, it didn’t turn out so well.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:33 amQuick!!! republican lead copngress, write a new law that shield white house aids from going before congress. Wait!!! republicans are no longer in charge. Sorry chimp can’t help ya.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:33 amhellinabucket….
I could careless if gays serve or not in the military. It is their choice if they want ot or not. the point is that it was the Democrats and Liberals god, Clinton who implemented the don’t ask don’t tell policy…
c’mon libbies, can’t face the truth about your god?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:33 amStupid Repuke troll. He marches in lockstep with his fellow inbreds.
And he assumes we all march in lockstep too, behind the Clintons.
But anybody who is actually LITERATE can see that we librrruls do not agree all the time. Hell, we argue with each other almost as much as we argue with the Repukes.
That’s because Liberals are real Americans, not traitorous Republiborg drones.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:35 am#79 — This post is the work of someone coming unglued.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:36 amThe term “separation of powers†is a fabrication.
Comment by Don Bacon
“Fabrication” is not the best term. I would call it a descriptive “construct”. While the phrase “separation of powers” is not explicity used in the Constitution, it seems hard to argue that the articles and their delineation of what governmental powers are vested where are not in themselves an act of “separation of powers”.
Otherwise, I agree with your post emphatically.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:37 amBut for the sake of arguement, during my lunch time, I will look for a case and put it up. In the mean time, I am sure you are also capable of doing your research, right?
or like a good liberal do you want free education?
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:05 am
You’ve been here all morning spewing venom.
And now you say when you go to lunch you will research the issue. So you are working on somebody’s clock doing this. And if you’re not a paid troll, working at a computer for neocons, you’re stealing from your employer. Typical neocon you want your social programs but you don’t want anybody else to have theirs. Your employers is paying into Social Security for a job your obviously not doing. So why don’t you just give up your SS since your so agains social programs.
And then you tell us about liberals wanting free education. Which by the way genius, I BELIEVE, is guaranteed in the constitution.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:37 amHas the nutjob answered the question yet about the 5,000 troops? I don’t think so. So how about it, Nutjub? Who are these 5,000 troops killed under Clinton? When and where did that happen?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:38 amI suggest that people STOP replying to howsad!
This person is providing nothing but insults to people about how the “liberals” this and that! It is not here to debate, they are here to disrupt.
Like Jake, just ignore it!
I have YET to see anything posted by this bozo thta provides any substance or support for ANYTHING that it says.
Stop allowing it to pull you into commenting on it’s posts. Just let it babble without response, and soon enought it will go away.
No since in playing the typical Republican 3 year old tripe with it!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:38 am#79 howsad
Yeah, you’re all out of ammo now. All you’ve got left is nutty extreme right name-calling. You don’t want to have a discussion. So, just go away.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:38 amKarl’s mother committed suicide. Fill in the blanks. He recieved some negative messages from that incident.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:38 amThe administration’s problem is that they know only how to lie. Congress may provide “the dead end street” that awaits bushies. Oh, unless joe lieberrman can get georgie to bomb Iran inorder to change the subject.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:39 am#97 = “Look, over there! Clinton did something you really don’t like. Don’t you want to look at that instead of what Bush is doing now? Clinton was a bad man! Look!”
Pathetic.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:39 amYeah, but Podesta et al. testified about having sex with Clinton, right? That’s a whole different ball of wax.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:39 amHowsad is far too stupid and out of control to be a paid troll. Probably a Bill O’Reilly fan.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amshane….bwahahaha!!!
stop whinning and crying about a Republican spewing venom….I take it you could careless about Tom3 true venom spewing against a fellow citizen he disagrees with.
and look at the venom you are spewing….
and sorry shane, please put up where in the Constitution you cann find the guarantee to a free education…
wow, you keep on making things up…..
March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:21 am
A textbook case of COD (Clinton Obsessive Disorder).
Every day across our great nation more and more Kool-Aid swillers fall prey to this dread disease. Watching their beloved Chimpy distinguish himself as the worst President ever drives them to distraction, causing them to fixate on one on which they can persuade their twisted minds to blame for all the world’s ills: Bubba.
If left untreated, victims of COD will continue to make fools of themselves on public message boards, continually changing nicknames in a vain attempt to escape humiliation. Eventually, in the end stages of the disease, the afflicted will cease changing nicks and accept his or her new, pitiable status as a parody troll.
Fortunately, there is hope. For only pennies a day, less than the price of a cup of coffee, you can help COD sufferers like howsad recover most of their former functionality…enough to get by in the world. Sadly, the illness, as well as the underlying Kool-Aid addiction, can leave permanent damage. These poor souls need all the help we can give.
The time is now to reach out to these poor benighted fools. Every moment we waste, the afflicted slide deeper into the nightmare that is COD. Won’t you give?
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March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amfor the Treatment of Clinton Obsessive Disorder.
VP Cheney must be told to appear before Congress, and testify under oath, and if he refuses to do so, then that is grounds for his removal.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amlet’s hear this again!
from Publicus:
Haldeman.
Erlichman.
Dean.
Mitchell.
They ALL testified…
March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amI agree with # 71 . Remember if you mud wrestle with a pig, you both will get dirty, but only the pig will like it.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amwhen it comes to the idiot trolls my philosophy has always been
“ Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk
PatrioticLiberalsChristina…
are you honestly complaining about a made up phrase from the Constitution?
shall we talk the made up phrase that can’t be foudn anywhere in the Constitution that you Liberals love to spew….”Seperation of Church and State.”
This is no where to be found anywhere in the Constitution, ye tyou Liberals spew it as if it was your gods word. When it fact it is found one time in a pretty lengthy letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
In now way shape or form do I want congress to pass laws forcing me to follow a religion, but please Liberals don’t whine about made up phrases in teh Constitution when you liberals are the first ones to do it.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:42 amhowsad, you deserve to get venom spewed at you.
You support the criminal Chimpy regime. You support torture, treason and lying to start wars. You support dismantling our legal system. You support the trashing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
If you don’t like getting your ass kicked, get the hell out of here.
Stupid Repuke dumbass. Your parents were siblings.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:45 amI suggest that people STOP replying to howsad! This person is providing nothing but insults to people about how the “liberals†this and that! It is not here to debate, they are here to disrupt. Comment by RemoveBush
I sometimes am unsure when to stop replying to our trolls. I think I’m going to develop my own set of guidelines. Something like giving a troll three posts to demonstrate a willingness to listen and debate, and when it fails to do so, give myself two posts to purely whack a troll. Then it’s time to ignore.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:45 amOn the whole issue of trolls, there are times when it’s a good thing to engage them. I think it’s educational for progressives to see what the Republican talking points are and how they can be picked apart. It helps people to have facts and arguments at their fingertips. But, when you get one of these trolls who just will not stop repeating the same nonsense no matter how many times you logically and factually refute it, ultimately there’s no point in even responding to them. It’s hard to tell, sometimes, if a particular troll is really incapable of reason or just slow to comprehend, so it’s hard to tell when to break it off.
I think howsad is just impervious to reason. Howsad is that.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:46 amhowsad goes from dumb to dumber.
“Seperation of Church and State” was a phrase Jefferson used to describe the Establishment Clause.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”
howsad is now puking both Repuke talking points and Religious Reich talking points. Does he get them from the same website?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:47 amtripmonkey,
I guess you are as dumb as much Libeals….I guess you don’t get it.
Let me try to dumb it down for you….
The same Democrats and Liberals that scream, yell and whine about things that Bush does now, could careless when clintond id the same things in the 1990s. It is NOT about Clinton did it, so it ok for Bush to do it, rather….why didn’t you scream and cry and whine when Clintond did the exact same thing in the 1990s. get it? probably too slow to get it.
and shall we talk about Bush Derangement Syndrome. It is rampant in here.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:48 amwhy do you want to silence my right to tell yout o shut-up? I thought you liberals loved freedom of speech?
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Love freedom of speech, HATE stupidity. Nobody’s kicked you off the board what are you whining about now. You are starting to sound alot like Jake now. Are you that old impotent fart again? Pretending to be an attorney today and a doctor yesterday.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:48 amYou can say whatever you want and I can answer you back. You can talk til you’re blue in the face.
That way it will match your b@lls old fart.
howsad – your whole ideological dog and pony show is going down in flames, and we’re all enjoying it very, very much.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:50 amHey “howsad” you are “Sad”. The republican response to everything this administration does that is wrong (i.e. every fv#king thing).”Well Clinton did it”. grow the f*&^ up and start taking accountability for your actions. That’s what you wnated Clinton to do right???
March 20th, 2007 at 11:51 am“shall we talk the made up phrase that can’t be foudn anywhere in the Constitution that you Liberals love to spew….â€Seperation of Church and State.â€
This is no where to be found anywhere in the Constitution, ye tyou Liberals spew it as if it was your gods word. When it fact it is found one time in a pretty lengthy letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
In now way shape or form do I want congress to pass laws forcing me to follow a religion, but please Liberals don’t whine about made up phrases in teh Constitution when you liberals are the first ones to do it.
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:42 am‘
I have to ignore my plea for just this……..
Hey moron……. It may not be in the Constitution, but the FOUNDERS and WRITERS of the Constitution wrote about it and stated what it meant.
Here is YOUR FREE education!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state
History of the term
The phrase “separation of church and state” is derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a group identifying themselves as the Danbury Baptists. In that letter, quoting the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, he writes: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”[2]
Another early user of the term was James Madison, the principal drafter of the United States Bill of Rights, who often wrote of “total separation of the church from the state” (1819 letter to Robert Walsh). “Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States,” Madison wrote, and he declared, “practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States” (1811 letter to Baptist Churches). This attitude is further reflected in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which was originally authored by Thomas Jefferson, but championed by Madison. The Declaration guarantees that no one may be compelled to finance any religion or denomination.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:51 amBut Bush did it….
March 20th, 2007 at 11:51 am“I think howsad is just impervious to reason. Howsad is that.” – Comment by chimpeach
Yes, he IS impervious to reason, facts, the truth…anything that does not fit with his Chimpyloving Repuke Bizarro Worldview.
These Repukes live in an alternative universe of their own construction. They have their own media to reinforce their imaginary reality.
Repukes do not believe in the concept of “objective reality”, the idea that the same reality exists for everyone and that it is objective and factual.
Repukes have had a psychotic break with reality and are mentally ill.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:52 amI haven’t seen this particular troll moniker, but this troll sounds mighty familiar. Sounds like another party operative, if you ask me. I don’t see Jake around these parts anywhere right now. Comment by VerbalKint
You know, I was just thinking the same thing. Also:
Democrats and Liberals were silent when our educaiton under Clinton tanked. Comment by howsad
No, just howsad’s school. Think about what you type before you just blindly troll the blog, man.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:52 amPatrioticLiberalChristina…
hahaha….typical of you liberals, you can’t take the heat so you throw out the typical mindless command to your brainless troops….”ignore the republican troll…”
the sad part is that you Liberals do honestly believe that you can think by yourselves.
If you aren’t such a “Liberal” as you say….why do you use it on your forum name?
wow…thanks for the laughs…..
PatrioticLiberalChristina and Shane….do you condone Tom3 hateful, venomous rants?
I mean you guys cry over what I say, why not show how honest, fair, etc you liberals are and take on Tom3 for his hateful remarks towards me?
Will you liberals stand up for justice and fairness, or is it all talk, like always….
prove me wrong….
and once again, I will join your chorus of Bush being a dictator when on January 2008 he refuses to step down from office, ok?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:52 amwell, actually it is January 2009, not 2008…
So, when Bush refuses to step out of office on January 2009 I will join the liberal whackos and I will call Bush a dictator.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:53 amHear that? The sound of a scared Republican administration.
They have never been the tough, strong people they claim.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:53 amI, for one, am very happy to see that howsad (how sad it is) is a) alone here and b) completely desparate, resorting to lies and little 4th-grade arguments to bolster his treason and hatred of America and democracy. It shows how close we are to the truth and the removal and trial of this administration. For all of Clinton’s faults, there was never a criminal case that could be made against him, as he broke no laws, inspite of a $70 million Republican campaign against him. Under the very same circumstances, there isn’t a single member of this administration who could avoid life in prison or execution for the treason. I think it’s important that we continue to poke it with a sharp stick, as it will eventually implode and perhaps even kill itself (although it’s very unlikely that howsad has the courage to do that, since it’s not in Iraq fighting for its glorious leader). It is very encouraging for the USA that all the Right has left is this sad spectacle of lies and hysteria. How Sad.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:53 amShane you constantly spew left wing talking points. You are constantly spewing DNC talking points and you talk about righties drinking Kool-Aid?Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Yeah EINSTEIN that’s why I’m on a progressive site. If I wanted to spew neocon lies I would at least be able to find the right place to do it.
Now take both hands, try to find d@ck, and maybe you’ll start thinking clearly.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:53 amtom baker….
Don’t worry, I also enjoy the ideological dog and pony show that you Liberals constantly put up on websites like thinkprogress.org….
March 20th, 2007 at 11:54 amI think the WH should allow any and all aides to testify before congress. Then the aides should pull a Hillary — “I don’t recall” should be the answer to every single question.
Then the American people will see that all this investigation is just a big sideshow, accomplishing nothing while the nation stands still. Then we’ll see the smugness wiped off the face of porky pig Leahy.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:55 amJanuary 2009.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:55 amhowsad, how do you KNOW that none of us were complaining about Clinton TEN YEARS AGO? You don’t. So you’re a liar.
Actually, I complained a LOT about Clinton. I’m a Union Democrat and I don’t like the Clintons’ centrist “New Democrat” DLC crap. I call them DINOs or Democrats In Name Only.
Again, you are assuming the fallacy that everyone on the left marches in lockstep just because all you Reich Wingnuts do the goose step.
STupid Repuke.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:56 amshane…
so, are you saying that you don’t want to hear or read points of views that are different from yours? so tolerant and open minded of you liberal.
kind of like howard dean who admitted to not reading anything that doesn’t agree with him?
wow…..
March 20th, 2007 at 11:56 am“and once again, I will join your chorus of Bush being a dictator when on January 2008 he refuses to step down from office, ok?
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:52 am”
You can’t be belived! Just like ALL, rather MOST, Republicans….. Just look at Oliely….. He said that if there were no WMD’s found in IRAQ he would appologize to the country.
We are still waiting for his appology!!!!!
Go soak your head in Bush’s bile! You might want to ask Bush to open his mouth and breath so you can get some light and air, since your head is so far up his arse!
March 20th, 2007 at 11:57 amI think PLC makes a good point. After debunking and parrying the absurd, let it howl in an empty forest.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:57 amThis is great. So, if the next Congress subpoenas the next Democratic President and Vice President to testify each and every day of their term, that’s fine now too?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:57 am92. Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Oooh – answering every post that has JAKE written all over it.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:57 amYou embarrassed your old sorry ass into changing names didn’t you Joke. Just because everybody was saying to go jake yourself you ran and hid behind a new name. Wimp.
howsad, your points of view are Repuke talking points.
They are not legitimate viewpoints and do not deserve any attention.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 amIt is important to respond to trolls when they post administration talking points, if they are doing it calmly, like Jake and RR for example. When someone starts sounding like a deranged freak, however, then they probably should be ignored. Examples that come to mind are MA, Flaco, Firehead, and Howsad. But sometimes the temptation to play with the trolls is simply too much.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 amTom3:
Did you complaint about Clinton (or even Carter) firing U.S. Attorneys for political reasons?
March 20th, 2007 at 11:58 amhowsad sez:
So sad…the terminal stages of COD are so debilitating…
howsad, when you manage to blink the tears of impotent rage from your eyes and read this reply, here’s two questions for you:
1) How exactly do you know that we all cheered Clinton on when he was in office?
2) Who’s in office NOW?
We can help you, howsad…but only if you want to be helped.
March 20th, 2007 at 11:59 amI hope Congress continues to press for subpoenas for members of the Bush Administration and to seek the truth. If the White House attempts to squash these subpoenas, fine. The Court can then interpret. Most importantly, it will be a transparent process all Americans can witness and respond to. So refreshing from the secrecy of the Bush Administration.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:00 pmwhat can a reasonable person say to these trolls? Seriously…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI tend to lump Bushites into the same basket with Neo-Nazis and KKK members – except those groups have the guts to admit their true agenda.
This is great. So, if the next Congress subpoenas the next Democratic President and Vice President to testify each and every day of their term, that’s fine now too?
Comment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic straw man argument.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:02 pmronjazz dead on. howsad thumbs thru his talking points ignoring the facts that there is no precedent and the public is demanding Rove testify. I did notice he’s the lone sadsack. I’m thinking he’s on the M side of S&M.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:02 pmYeah, but Podesta et al. testified about having sex with Clinton, right? That’s a whole different ball of wax.
Comment by ignoreland — March 20, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Hey I’m a 53 year old very happily married woman with a 12 year old child and I’d have sex with Bill given the opportunity. A man should not be held responsible because he’s so hot women chase him.
And Hillary should be grateful for the time she gets too.
God I really am a librull.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:03 pmJake, as far as I know, neither Clinton nor Carter fired any US Attorneys for political reasons. I do not remember any allegations made about Clinton regarding this during his two terms of offic.e
Clinton did appoint new ones at the beginning of his first term, but this is legal and aboveboard. Many presidents have done this.
The “Clinton did it too” argument is specious. Bogus. Bullshit.
Two wrongs do not make a right, especially in the legal system.
This is not about ten years ago, this is about what Chimpy is doing right now.
Jake, you’e puking up Repuke talking points. Do you have a single original thought in your head?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:04 pmshane:
I am not posting as “howsad”.
complaint = complain
March 20th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWell, Rerun is back! Just in time to take over for our increasingly ignored troll on this thread. The following are old troll castings and probably should have the quick challenge, whack, and ignore treatment.
This is great. So, if the next Congress subpoenas the next Democratic President and Vice President to testify each and every day of their term, that’s fine now too?
Did you complaint about Clinton (or even Carter) firing U.S. Attorneys for political reasons?
Comments by Jake
March 20th, 2007 at 12:05 pmVerbalKint:
Just testing how far this new standard goes.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:05 pm….you think the trollies are hysterical now, just wait til the impeachment is under way!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“Two wrongs don’t make a right” but “a hundred wrongs do make a neocon rightwinger.”
March 20th, 2007 at 12:08 pmHowsad isn’t Jake. Too crazy, too out of control.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:10 pmyou have to justify your hate for this admininstration.
Comment by howsad #18
No trumped up “justification” needed:
Iraq/mass murder
Halliburton/waste/corruption
domestic spying
eliminating habaeus corpus
torture
pedophilia
stealing elections
Gulf coast/Katrina debacle/incompetence
…I could go on…
…but what would be the point…
…you’re STILL going to continue to pray to Bushiva and L’il Dick…
…knowing they’re false gods…
…that is the way of you inbreds…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:10 pmJake….this kool aid drinkers on the left, who claim to supposedly be individual thinkers and open minded and tolerant will only insult you and spew venomo at you.
they are the last thing from being honest, fair, free thinkers, open minded, tolerant, etc.
look at poor shane, thinking that you and I are the same person. Speaks to the paranoia from the left.
Bush derangement syndrom is rampant in here.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:11 pm#142 Tom3
howsad, your points of view are Repuke talking points.
With that guy, I don’t think it’s even as sophisticated as “talking points”. I think he’s got a Repuke Magnetic Poetry set. He grabs a handful of words and throws them up on the refrigerator door: “liberal…hate…whiner…Clinton…liberals…hateful…dumb…lie…liberals”
It’s all the same stuff. He just rearranges them for each post.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pmTom3:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. I think firing U.S. Attorneys is well within the right of ANY President. But, perhaps you should start reading about Carter and David Marston though:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945941,00.html
PLC:
Or, you could simply answer the question.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pm#151 Tom3, this has been explained to Jake many times over the past weeks, complete with documentation. For whatever reason, he is determined to keep recycling this dead talking point.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:13 pmTom Baker….
do you dream and masturbate to a Bush impeachment?
wow, Bush Derangement Syndrome in full show here…..
March 20th, 2007 at 12:14 pmMeh – all this jabber from the trolls is making it too hard to carry on a discussion – I’ll catch you guys later.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:14 pmHowsad is an angry, disturbed dead ender in its last throes, making a disgusting little spectacle of itself.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:15 pmChimpeach,
With someone like you, I don’t think it’s even as sophisticated as “talking pointsâ€. I think he’s got a Democrat/Liberal Magnetic Poetry set. He grabs a handful of words and throws them up on the refrigerator door: “Conservative…hate…whiner…Bush…Conservative…hateful…dumb…lie…Repukeâ€
amazing how it fits most liberals on thinkprogress.org to a T.
Chimpeach, you know you can get psychological help for your Bush Derangement Syndrome. When Kerry lost in 2004 psychiatrist around the USA made a killing out of pathetic, weak Democrats and Liberals who couldn’t take it. I am sure they can help you too.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:17 pmPoor little Howsad. He stomps his feet, gets his little fists in a ball and, tears in his little eyes, shouts at the heavens, “leave my dear leader alone! Sure, Clinton’s aides had to testify before congress. But, that was different, you see, because Clinton was a democrat and he wasn’t MY dear leader! There’s a different set of rules for my dear leader!”
And, poor little Jake is back with his standard “did you complain when Clinton did it” sob story.
And, the “hate.” Oh, the “hate.” It just attacks the delecate sensibilities of these good citizens. And, after the right wing treated Clinton with such class and grace. Poor babies. They’re just so deeply troubled that anyone could possibly bring accountability to their dear leader. They’re deeply outraged that anyone could possibly apply the same rules Clinton labored under to their dear leader. Accountability! That’s for the other guys, right little men?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:20 pmverbalkint…
amazing how you Liberals become so hateful when someone dares come in and write a different point of view on politics than what you believe.
Is this how you guys show tolerance and open mindess to different point of views? I mean you Liberals certainly throw this around all the time, right? You guys claim to carry the flag of tolerance and open mindness…so why don’t you guys start proving how open minded you guys are to different point of views.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmPLC:
Or, you could simply answer the question.
Comment by Jake
Or, you could simply accept the answers already supplied to you ad nauseum. Or you could simply ask less loaded questions. Or you could just simply go away.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:22 pmHowsad, psychologists call it “projection.” Look into it.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:24 pmand sorry shane, please put up where in the Constitution you cann find the guarantee to a free education
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:40 am
So then you are against free education for the children of this country. Oh yeah your a republican all right. Create and even larger underclass and then your rich cronies won’t have to hire illegal immigrants.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:24 pmI suspect this is a backlash from you neocons for not being allowed to keep slaves anymore.
You have crossed a line little jakehead troll.
You are beneath contempt. Yeah we’ll end public education right after we end Social Security for all of you who speak out against social programs. Your first on the list you selfish, egocentric bafoon.
I just thought about the recent slogan of the Methodist Church – open minds, open hearts, open doors.
I guess I us progressives like this: open minds for new ideas, open hearts to display our compassion for other people, and open doors to show the trolls the way they can leave once their idiotic talking points have been debunked, whacked, and demolished. :)
March 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pmOf course there’s no precedent for aides to not testify. The WH would like to continue with thier lies, propaganda and bullshit, right up to the very, bitter end. They will testify and they will either perjure themselves or incriminate themselves. It’s thier choice.They made this bed and they can sleep in it, bedbugs and all.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:28 pmsadsack and masterjake please entertain us with the glowing praise you believe this administration should have.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:29 pmPatrioticLiberalChristina and Shane….do you condone Tom3 hateful, venomous rants?
Yes Howsad, we do.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWant to make something of it. What are you going to do now big mouth?
“Tolerance and open mindness????!!!!”
Really now. Lots of people believe GW Bush will be remembered as the worst president in U.S. history. Can you guys tolerate that? Are you open-minded enough to tolerate the possibility that many of us would like to see the president impeached? Can you tolerate a Mother who has lost her child in an illegal war camping out in front of Bush’s ranch? Can you tolerate a guy with “No Blood for Oil” on his teeshirt trying to get into a Bush event? Can you tolerate a Republican prosecutor who is indicting famous republicans? Can you tolerate congressional democrats demanding answers and testimony from your dear leader?
Give me a frickin break with your B.S. about tolerance and open mindedness.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#144 Jake
Did you complaint about Clinton (or even Carter) firing U.S. Attorneys for political reasons?
Repetitious.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pmYou know, it does say “provide for the general welfare” right there at the beginning in black and white. What part of that do these misanthopic a-holes not understand?
March 20th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#79…oh, no I forgot, you guys don’t mind when the Democrats do it, you just mind it when Republicans do it. I forgot.
Comment by howsad
It is called selective morality.
Heheh
March 20th, 2007 at 12:33 pm“Subpoena everyone! Conduct hearings on everything!”
Sheesh — maybe this site should be called Think Gridlock instead…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#94
Howsad,
1) My post asking you a simple question was the first thing I’ve shared with this thread. So to assume my views on this issue is a reach – to say the least
2) Since the actual issue here has to do with misleading statements concerning the precedents set by past administrations concerning having staffers testify before Congress (focus howsad, focus), and not what other President’s did or didn’t do in unrelated situations, can you please stay on topic for once?
So why is it, when there are claims of a precedent made by the Bush administration that turn out to be misleading or flat out untrue, that you refuse to acknowledge OR simply fall back on to what Clinton did concerning a totally different set of topics??? I haven’t said anything to denigrate except point out the obvious truth that all you can do is ignore that obvious flaws of this administration and start throwing the whole discussion off course. When that became so utterly apparent, all I could conclude is that you blindly adore this regime. And I reiterate, what would it take for your mind to change? Try not to parrot my question back to me this time, if you can muster up the cojones…
March 20th, 2007 at 12:34 pmtweedster,
so the Bush administrations officials words are untrue because Thinkprogress.org, and the left said so? wow, and you aren’t a kool-aid drinker.
I would suggest that you take your own advice and you focus on being a free thinker and you liberate yourself from the brain washing the left has done on you.
tweedster, and you haven’t said anything to insult me? ok, i guess you don’t read what you post on this forums do you….
March 20th, 2007 at 12:40 pmso, are you saying that you don’t want to hear or read points of views that are different from yours? so tolerant and open minded of you liberal.
kind of like howard dean who admitted to not reading anything that doesn’t agree with him?
wow…..
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Asswipe – I swatch C-span all day. Sorry if that’s too biased for your pathetic red neck.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:41 pm#163 howsad
do you dream and masturbate to a Bush impeachment?
wow, Bush Derangement Syndrome in full show here…..
I think howsad is vinnie (aka Angie, etc.). Notice the constant posting, getting agitated and starting to get abusive with sexual overtones.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:42 pmFlaco,
I know, Democrats have selective morality…
example….a Congressional Democrat is caught having gay affairs with his staffers, Democrats re-elect him to power and Democrats put him on a position of power.
Republican is caught exchanging explicit gay e-mails with his staff, Republicans fire him and he leaves in disgrace.
the moral outrage that Democrats show today is none existant when Democrats control any part of our government.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pmAgain, maybe we should take another look at the top of this thread. Boys, the record shows that Clinton’s top aides did testify before congress. If you think Bush’s aides shouldn’t have to testify, it is you who is practicing “situational ethics.” Wouldn’t consistency demand that you agree that Bush’s aides should also testify if called before congress? Does that make any sense at all, boys? Hello? Earth calling Bushboys! Logic alert! Critical thinking alert!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pm#184 Sounds plausible.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by Jake — March 20, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Nice try Jake but I am going troll-free the rest of the day.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:45 pmchimpeach…
I just treat you liberals how you treat anyone that comes in here and disagrees with your point of views…
interesting that you guys whine and cry when you liberals are given a taste of your own medicine.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:46 pmHow can we THINK PROGRESSIVELY with all this Republibot noise, disrupting every thread?
Please TP add an IGNORE BUTTON!
March 20th, 2007 at 12:46 pmchimpeach….
#184….typical Liberal, Democrat paranoia…..
you whackos are really whacked….
March 20th, 2007 at 12:46 pmBush Derangement Syndrome
All the moonbats here have this syndrome.
I found one rare species here the (moonbaticus asshati).
Fudge_boy is perfect example of this species. This species can puff itself up to make it look bigger. It has a very limited vocabulary consisting of words like fcuk, sh*t, etc. Not very intelligent. Survives it dark, dank places like TP on the bullsh*t that is so abundant from the other moonbats.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:48 pmHowsad isn’t Jake. Too crazy, too out of control.
Comment by VerbalKint — March 20, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Still put them in a bag, shake it up, pick one, they’re all the same, ultimately.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:48 pm#193…
shane,
my thoughts exactly when it comes to speaking to a Liberal and having them spew their talking points. Once you have spoken to a Liberal, you have spoken to all of them.
all of you are replicas of each other, mindless drones spewing DNC and Liberal talking points. heard one liberal, heard them all.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pm…the moral outrage that Democrats show today is none existant when Democrats control any part of our government.
Comment by howsad
Moonbats do not like light.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:51 pmThey prefer dark.
You will agitate them into a frenzy with you comments.
look at poor shane, thinking that you and I are the same person. Speaks to the paranoia from the left.
Bush derangement syndrom is rampant in here.
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Wow just like a mass murderer you get upset when I attribute your posts to somebody else.
You are a funny little troll.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:51 pmFlaco,
yes, these whackos are true whackos…Democrats hate anyone that disagrees with them. So much for their tolerance and open mindness.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:56 pmBush Derangement Syndrome carriers have a paranoia about everything.
They are in a constant state of conspiracy induced paranoia that exhibits itself in ranting and barking sometimes. This is where the “barking like a moonbat” comes from.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:56 pmshane, shane….
wipe the foam out of your mouth…..
just keep on posting and making me laugh.
Most of you Liberals are good for one thing, being laughed at. so post away and make me laugh at you.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:57 pm#186 Bluedog49
Again, maybe we should take another look at the top of this thread. Boys, the record shows that Clinton’s top aides did testify before congress. If you think Bush’s aides shouldn’t have to testify, it is you who is practicing “situational ethics.â€
Good point. How many posts are there from trolls in this thread? And how many of them even addressed that point?
Instead, it’s a non-stop stream of “liberals…blah-blah…whine and cry…blah-blah…”
March 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pm166. you know you can get psychological help for your Bush Derangement Syndrome
Howsad, we don’t need help. We have Congress.
March 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAnd we’re going to f#ck with you just because we can. Just like your people did to Bill Clinton. I for one would vote for him again. And all your Republican Congress did to him was hound him for little shit and stop his really important work from getting done.
You guys didn’t like a Democrat for President. But your Bushwad is a crook. And your congress did nothing about it. They are all complicit.
Well the party if over. We have some power and it is oh so much fun being able to use it.
Be glad you have Pelozi because if I was speaker of the House I’d be up there talking just like the worst of your party does.
And on the day that Cheney and Rove have to testify will be glorious. And its coming soon. I hope you’ll have as much fun and progressives will.
Can you just imagine the tone & tenor of the administration right now? It must be total chaos, confusion, and threats of whistleblowing. As the clock ticks off toward Thursday, their skin must be crawling to imagine what’s in store for each of them.
Diane Feinstein’s Bill just passed with a 94-2 vote – horrah! Amazingly, most americans didn’t realize the slimey intent of the insertion into the Patriot act by this administration regarding the appointment of US Prosecutors WITHOUT senate oversight. Another sneaky maneuver by BushCo. Just like his infamous hundreds of singing statements which, we’ve been assured by whacko Gonzo were “legal”, will be proven to be totally “illegal” when abused or used for the purposes of abuse of power by the CIC.
And the walls come a-tumblin’ down….Jericho…BushCo….BushCo…
March 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmflaco,
yes, many weird, crazy species on this site…..
you know what is funny, that half of the time I grab their insulting posts from them to me, I change their hateful speech towards them and then they cry….
yes, weird species all over this board.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pmshane, little one…
well, you have just proven that Clinton is your god….hahahaha….
stop masturbating to Clinton and move on with your life.
He could careless about you or your family…not that you would believe that.
you probably think that when he was selling state secrets to china he had your best interest in mind, right?
or when he went around the UN and attacked Serbia without UN permission he had your best interest at heart….oh look at the Clinton pissing on the UN just like Bush did….where you outraged when Clinton did this?
get Clinton’s d…..k out of your mouth and start making something sense kid.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:05 pmgreat postings Bluedog49.
Selective morality? sadsack you forget the republican that left in disgrace was not sending emails to someone on his staff but to an underage page. Are you defending him? Did you receive an email maybe?
This is great. I never did vote for Clinton and only started questioning Bush after his mad push into Iraq. No actually after the supreme court placed him in the oval office did I question this man. With more and more evidence coming out to show this president isn’t a conservative, doesn’t have the military service members in his best interest, ignores that there is seriously flawed evidence that pushed us into Iraq and above all his stupid ass way of stopping and smirking while giving a canned speech (which he most likely would butcher).
I’m not the bleeding liberal these jack asses attempt to tar and feather so none of this drivel bothers me. I’m an american that sees great injustice.
So wail away sadsack of sh%t and jakette there are many here that don’t fit your mold as worthy of your insults
March 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pm#166 If you want to have any psychotherapeutic credibility, you need to read, for starters “BUSH ON THE COUCH” by Justin A. Frank, M.D. You will not be surprised to find that Bush has suffered from serious psychiatric disorders most of his life….in addition to being dyslexic as well. As for your comment regarding “kerry losing”, the jury is about in now about how those whistleblowers rigged the Ohio election and are not indicted for it. Add into their mix, the soon to be indicted, Ken Blackwell who was state director of elections in Ohio with the conflict of interest of being the “Bush Cheney 04″ State Director and it’s all beginning to add up.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pmHowsad/Troll : If you don’t like our threads, get the hell off them. You’re not welcome here with your irrelevant drivel and hate mongering.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:10 pmtypo: The Ohio whistleblowers who admitted to heping to rig the election in Ohio WERE indicted.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pmComment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Five references to Clinton by name, five more by pronoun, and a reference to oral sex (a real giveaway).
howsad, COD can be successfully treated. We urge you to see help.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pmhellinabucket…
I guess you don’t know how to read do you….as I said, Republicans got the congressman out and disgraced him, while Democrats kept a Democrat that did the same thing in power….
the question is, are you defending it?
and keep on telling yourself that you are a great American by believing all the lies the left spews about Bush and his administration, you might actually believe it.
You know, Robert Hansen told himself the same thing while he was killing American citizens and putting our nation in danger by selling spy secrets to the soviet union and then russia.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pm#203 howsad
you know what is funny, that half of the time I grab their insulting posts from them to me, I change their hateful speech towards them and then they cry….
Nothing stings quite as hard as someone saying “I know you are but what am I?”
I might have to take the rest of the day off to recover from it.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:14 pmveritas….
are you so closed minded that you are unwilling to read someone elses different point of view? you poor intolerant, closed minded liberal.
TripMaster, it was you liberal friend who started driveling while he typed that he would vote for Clinton again. I just called him out for what he is and poor, blind, Clinton follower.
and don’t you guys love and respect homosexuals, so why are you trying to insultl me with homosexual overtones?
how sad and closed minded of you Tripmonkey…typical liberal….
March 20th, 2007 at 1:15 pmComment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Oh yeah, and so are you. Very mature Howsad.
I have to do some actual work now. So if I don’t get back to you for a while don’t get all full of yourself.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pm#204 howsad
stop masturbating to Clinton and move on with your life.
get Clinton’s d…..k out of your mouth and start making something sense kid.
That’s vinnie. Unmistakable.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pmchimpeach….
it is you liberals that are whining and crying when i throw your insults back at you.
it is you liberals who claim that I am hateful and full of venom, when all I do is use your exact insults against you guys.
so, if I am full of hate and venom, aren’t you guys….
and chimpeach….
I take it you believe Bush is an idiot, but if Bush is an idiot who was able to fool all Democrats into voting for the war in Iraq, what does that make all Liberals and Democrats who were fooled by a supposed chimp to vote for a war? bigger chimps and fools, correct?
I mean, Democrats and Liberals are way more intelligent than Bush, right? so how were they fooled by a supposed simpleton like Bush to vote for the war in Iraq?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:19 pmComment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Yawn.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:20 pm#214
chimpeach….in full display of liberal paranoia…..I am telling you, there is help for your Bush Derangement Syndrome. get it fast you stop making any type of sense a long time ago….
March 20th, 2007 at 1:21 pm#215
What was that? Liberals…blah-blah…whining and crying…blah-blah…hate…blah-blah-blah?
Gee, that’s fresh.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:21 pmThat’s vinnie. Unmistakable.
Comment by chimpeach — March 20, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Oh I got here after Vinnie that’s why I didn’t recognize him. He does have a certain style, or lack of it though.
He’s welcome to come here to my business though. I work with my husband. I’m sure he’d be happy to kick the twerps ass. How about it howsad. I’m in Chicago. Want to meet my husband?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pmhowsad Is that all you can do is name calling when you can’t get your way.
Sticks and stones may hurt my bones but names will never hurt me. You are a little child having a temper tantrum. You never answer the question anyone ask you. I have to laugh at your answers as you do not back them up.
Everyone should just ignore you. What you say is only your opinion.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:24 pmchimpeach…
and you think that your hateful rants against Bush and his administration and republicans and conservaties are fresh and thought provoking and new? You think others haven’t said what you say long before you said it? wake up and stop believing you are a free thinker….I have news for you, you are but a mindless drone of the left that can’t htink for himself. You know it, but you must justify your pathetic existance by grabbing unto something, your hate for Bush. It must suck real bad for you to wake up each morning and realize that you, are still you.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:25 pmhey shane,
I am Chicago too…I am sure you have let a lot of women meet your husband….
how sad…
March 20th, 2007 at 1:26 pmMary Poplins…
Oh please…I have been called every name in the book by Liberals in this forums long before I returned the insults….so please take your pathetic, selective, fake moral outrage somewhere else.
only a weak liberal would believe that you are outraged. what is good for the gander, is good for the goose.
if you liberals can’t take my insults, don’t start it.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:27 pmMary Poplins…
and what Liberals and Thinkprogress.org say here are also just their opinions.
Only left wing kool-aids believe them to be truth and facts…..take your own advice…
March 20th, 2007 at 1:29 pmhowsad sez:
Please point to where either shane, veritas or I ‘insulted you with homosexual overtones’, or admit your delusion (most likely brought about by the rigors of advanced COD).
Again, we urge you to seek treatment. If treated, you can go on to live an almost normal life.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pmhowsad: “get Clinton’s d…..k out of your mouth and start making something sense kid.”
OK, thanks, howsad. Now we know where you’re coming from and what’s on your mind.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:36 pmhowsad Why don’t you just leave this thread if you don’t like the comments that are made. You know nothing about me so don’t call me a liberal. You aren’t worth anyone time. Here you go again calling people names. I have to laugh at that.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThread: Bush croney admits to fixing facts around policy.
Trolls: You liberals are so hateful I’ll hold my breath until I turn blue.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:38 pm#79 you have an irrational blind hatred of Clinton that seems otherworldly. Now all of your ALLEGATIONS really need to be supported by some sort of factual information. Lets start with those 5,000 us battle field deaths during the Clinton years.
Oh, the selling state secrets to the Chinese, was that the case that suddenly disappeared from public view when it was discovered that the source of the information was a Chinese double agent who was also a major republican fundraiser? So she was working for the Chinese and the republicans at the same time. Interesting, what ever happened to her?
By the way Clinton was investigated for nearly everything you put out there as fact and the results were…?
Also it’s not a mater of when democrat do it, because the republican crime syndicate has operated in the same manner. See for instance their comments on US Attorney’s being fired in 1993 and today.
I will say this though you are probably the most blatantly talking points oriented troll in a long time.
#115 the separation of church and state is not in the constitution, but Madison (a writer of the constitution and federalist) made it clear in their writings that is what they meant. Now who is it again who wants to thwart the intentions of the founders and break down that separation. Hey if they do it will mean hundreds of billions to the US with property tax, sales tax and income tax revenues flooding the coffers.
Overall though howboy is simply doing what those people do best and that is trying to change the conversation when the topic points to their own wrong doing. With as often as they float the “But Clinton did it argument” You would think that they find Clinton to be a genius to be emulated at all opportunity. However they only raise the Clinton did it argument because it is easier than thinking.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:38 pmTripmaster….
only a liar, and a liberal would claim that the post below doesn’t have homosexual overtones and insults……only you would be stupid enough to believe your own lies. but continue to lie to yourself, most liberlas do.
“Five references to Clinton by name, five more by pronoun, and a reference to oral sex (a real giveaway).
howsad, COD can be successfully treated. We urge you to see help.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — March 20, 2007 @ 1:11 pm”
March 20th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThis post told all of us more than we need to know about “howsad.”:
howsad: “get Clinton’s d…..k out of your mouth and start making something sense kid.â€
How illuminating.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHowsad, I see no “homosexual overtones” in TripMaster’s post. Considering your obsession with Clinton’s cock, I’m guessing you see “homosexual overtones” all over the place. Here’s a suggestion for you. Instead of loathing yourself for these gay feelings and thoughts you are exhibiting here, why don’t you just come to terms with the truth about yourself and live with it gracefully instead of lashing out.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pm#182
You’re absolutely right. I really should not take that fringe Liberal lunatic Tony Snow so seriously.
Thanks for showing me the light howsad! Where do I sign up for the lobotomy that you flaunt up and down this thread with your total denial of the actual topic at hand?
Ooooh, you really goaded me into that one. I guess people, on the Left and Right, become angry when they are repeatedly lied to. Oh, wait, if you represent a typical Bush-lover, I guess being lied to repeatedly turns you on.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:45 pmand don’t you guys love and respect homosexuals, so why are you trying to insultl me with homosexual overtones?
how sad and closed minded of you Tripmonkey…typical liberal….
Comment by howsad
They have a different set of values for themselves.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:45 pmBluedog49,
as I said, only a liar and a liberal wouldn’t see the homosexual overtones and insults in that post…
I guess we know now tha tyou are a liar and a liberal….thanks for playing kid.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#234
What are your values Flaco?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:49 pmTweedster,
what is with the foaming at the mouth…. funny how you claimed a few posts above that you didn’t insult or put people down….
i am sure you are in the process of calling yourself a liar, right?
you liberals become completly unhinged when you see that someone that disagrees with you posts their point of view on here.
the sad part is that you liberals honestly believe that you are tolerant and open minded. don’t you guys see how sad you guys are, how small and what a bunch of hypocrites you guys are? sad to say that you don’t…..
March 20th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThey have a different set of values for themselves.
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Project much – Haggard?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmflaco,
It is very obvious that Liberals have one set of moral values for themselves and another one for those they disagree with and hate.
the sad part is that they believe all the stuff they spew out.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmFlaco, are you suffering from the same mental condition as howsad? Self-loathing, seeing “homosexual overtones” everywhere you look? An unabiding obsession with Clinton’s cock? Think about coming to terms with your true nature. It’s really better than all of this self-loathing and projection.
As an aside, and no offense meant, but the question is still there to be answered: why is the modern neocon movement so gay?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmPrecedent my arse. Even Presidents have testified before Congress. Ford testifed while he was President. I believe that Jefferson also testified.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmhowsad sez:
Wow…the stupid is strong in this one…
You’re claiming I am insulting you with homosexual references, based upon the following post:
Now, let’s take another look at YOUR post that prompted the above reply by me, shall we?
(For increased clarity (in deference to you, howsad), I’ve boldfaced the Clinton references, and boldfaced and italicized the sexual references.):
…but I’m the one who’s insulting you with ‘homosexual overtones and insults’, huh?
GOD, you’re stupid. Log off before you hurt yourself.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmFlaco,
the funny thing is that I have never once said that I voted for Bush or that I support him and everything he does.
this liberal whackos are so full of hate and have such a one mind track (hating Bush anywhere they go…) that they automatically assume that anyone that disagrees with them supports Bush 100%.
how small minded of them….Tweedster, how small of you.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmEasy, howsad. There’s nothing wrong with you being obsessed with Clinton’s cock. And, I’m suggesting to you that self-loathing over homosexual fantasies is not a healthy way to live. Being honest with yourself is much more healthy.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmAs an aside, and no offense meant, but the question is still there to be answered: why is the modern neocon movement so gay?
Comment by Bluedog49
Becuz it is inclusive moonbat.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:54 pmCal,
do you call two Presidents testifying infront of Congress precedent? not much of a lawyer are you?
March 20th, 2007 at 1:54 pmhowsad
You try to keep everyone off topic so you can insult people on this thread. Why don’t you go to some Republican thread where you are walcome. You are not welcome here.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:57 pmTripMaster….
I don’t think my insults and my overtones were in question, young padwan, it was your supposed tolerance and love for gays that it is and your use of homosexual overtones and insults towards me….get it?
are you this dumb and slow or do you just playone? If you are the best that Dems have, I truly and honestly pity your party kid.
and stop foaming at the mouth kid…you got caught lying and being dumber than a door nob, don’t blame me for your stupidity.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:58 pmFunny that you wingers should even show up and shoot your mouths off, given how criminally WRONG you’ve been about everything for years. Just goes to show, there’s no cure for stupid.
We can all look up and see that the sky is blue; sadsack, Flake-o and brethren – you can fling your monkey-doo all the live-long day – sky is blue, will be blue tomorrow, and the Republican’ts will be disgraced for decades thanks to the dickhead-and-his-sockpuppet show. It’s all fact, and you can’t do a damned thing about it, and now America can finally begin to restore itself.
keep it up though guys – i’m glad to know you’re wasting your time doing this, rather than roaming your towns stalking peoples’ kids and fixin’ t’go postal down at the office. And you dare accuse anyone else of being hateful. Hateful is what created you. Hateful is what you represent, and hateful is all your hysterical fearmongering will ever earn you in this world.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmtom baker…
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…..man you libbies are desperate and hateful.
you have Congress, enjoy it while it last.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHowsad: “stop masturbating to Clinton and move on with your life.”
Howsad: “get Clinton’s d…..k out of your mouth and start making something sense kid.”
I think somebody’s having fantasies and hates himself for it.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pm243
that they automatically assume that anyone that disagrees with them supports Bush 100%.
They do not know how to make reasonable judgements.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThey have the advance BDS where it effects critical and cognitive thinking.
and stop foaming at the mouth kid…you got caught lying and being dumber than a door nob, don’t blame me for your stupidity. Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Is that what your dad said to his sister, before they made you together?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThey do not know how to make reasonable judgements.
They have the advance BDS where it effects critical and cognitive thinking.
Comment by Flaco — March 20, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
A bush Cultist, with Clinton Derangement Syndrome, criticizing others of no critical thinking! Now that’s funny!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:05 pmI think somebody’s having fantasies and hates himself for it.
Comment by Bluedog49 — March 20, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Just another Haggard clone – how SHOCKING!!! BHAAHAHA
March 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pmFlaco: “Becuz it is inclusive moonbat.”
Maybe you should notify a few of your presidential candidates who have called homosexuality “immoral.” And, please make that inclusive argument to your friends in the conservative evangelical christian movement. They must have missed the memo on “inclusiveness.”
March 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pmhowsad sez:
First of all, it’s OK for you to use homosexual references as insults, but not us?
Second, you have yet to actually point out the alleged homosexual insult I threw your way (hint: my reference to your blatant insults don’t count, dolt).
Irony detector…melting hole….through floor….
March 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmdamn, I go to lunch and now sadsack is eyeballing Clinton’s package. I asked him awhile ago to name some things worthy of praise for this administration so he could provide some facts to counter the “hatred spewed” towards the Dick n Bush club. He never did.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmhowsad do not be too concerned with bluedog.
He is missing one testicle from an industrial accident or a freak sex act???
March 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pmTP – Please add an “Ignore” button.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThe more scandals that break, the more annoying and off-topic the RW trolls become – they’re here solely to disrupt discussion.
Tripmonkey….
If you claim to be tolerant and open minded towards gay and you claim that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual, how could you use homosexuality to insult anyone? c’mon young padwan, you can’t be this dumb, I mean you just can’t.
it is fun to see how you have become completly unhinged after being caught lying.
Just be the man you refuse to be and admit that you insulted me by using homosexual overtones. C’mon guy, saying it….”I am a man, and I admit I insulted howsad using homosexual overtones.” you will feel so much better after you admit to it. It is part of growing up and maturing.
man I love playing with the mind of the liberal simpletons.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#237
Howsad comments
funny how you claimed a few posts above that you didn’t insult or put people down….
The basis of Howsad’s claim of what I said
I haven’t said anything to denigrate except point out the obvious truth that all you can do is ignore that obvious flaws of this administration and start throwing the whole discussion off course.
See, it really is no wonder there is no hope for having an actual discussion with Howsad and his ilk. He can’t help from distorting the truth even when it plainly in view of everyone else. Continue with your insults Howsad, I stooped to your level a bit, but that’s human nature to react to someone who cannot bring himself to actually discuss a topic and then accuse others of the pettiness he himself spews forth.
You claiming that I said I didn’t insult anybody (which is a far cry from me insulting the singular idiot that is you) is pretty much the same as Tony Snow claiming there is NO precedent of White House staffers being compelled to testify in front of Congress when history proves otherwise. You guys really do have your strategies for dishonesty in lockstep. Bravo.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:16 pmStill waiting sadsack for some deeds worthy of praise for this administration. surely you can think of some reason you are so adamently against the ones who claim this administration is the worst ever. Please show us all why we should be on Dubya’s side.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:16 pmdamn, I go to lunch and now sadsack is eyeballing Clinton’s package.
Comment by hellinabucket
Man, that one had me in TEARS!
Thank you for the best laugh I’ve had all day.
ROFLMAO!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:17 pmflaco,
this liberals are such simpletons….they become completly unhinged if they even think that you support Bush….
it is fun to play with their simple, uneducated, full of conspiracy theories mind. poor brainwashed fools. the sad part is that they honestly believe to be free thinkers.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:19 pmComment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
You’re in Chicago and you’re a woman.
So how do you like Chicago politics then? Teehee
Who’d you vote for Mayor?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:20 pminsultl me with homosexual overtones?
howsad – comparing you to homsexuals was meant to be a compliment to you.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:23 pmHowever, it just doesn’t seem fair to homosexuals so if I said it I’ll take it back.
no one shane….everyone was horrific. all we got is more years of Dictator Daley. I was hoping that even another Democrat won, but Daley is well entrenched with the mobsters of Chicago and the Unions, one and the same here.
I mean honestly without insults or sarcasms, shane. Chicago is and has been a Democrat control city of decades and it is full, i mean full of corruption. Why aren’t Liberls up in arms against Democrats in Chicago like they are against the Bush if you honestly believe that corruption is bad and that Bush is corrupt, why also not go after corrupt Democrats?
and I am woman? where you get that from?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:26 pm#267shane….touche….
first “insult” towards me that makes some sense and made me laugh.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:27 pmhowsad sez:
Still waiting for you to produce the post where I insulted you with homosexual overtones, howsad.
Go ahead…try to find it. I’ll wait.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:27 pm249. Comment by tom baker — March 20, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
Very well said tom!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:27 pmhellinabucket….
I could name plenty of deeds that Bush and this administration have done, but I can guarantee you that you would disagree, so why even bother.
why don’t you put up some bad deeds that Democrats have done and I will think about replying.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:28 pmHowsad,
This thread isn’t about supporting Bush, although it is an easy out for you to say that you never claimed to support him and accuse people of assuming you do.
You haven’t answered one question posed to you. Maybe you don’t have any political bent, although the way you demonize Liberals is a pretty good indication you’d be in Bush’s camp.
You have no real answers or views on anything? Get lost then. You’ve proven nothing except that you cannot answer simple, direct questions, and that you hate Clinton and that you assume all Liberals love Clinton. What’s your point man, in regards to the thread I mean. You still haven’t shed any light on that without dismissing the present in favor of whining about who was or wasn’t whining years ago.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:29 pmtripmonkey….
been there done that…can’t help it if you are too slow to realize that you have been schooled, young padwan.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:30 pmdamn, I go to lunch and now sadsack is eyeballing Clinton’s package.
Comment by hellinabucket
Man, that one had me in TEARS!
Thank you for the best laugh I’ve had all day.
ROFLMAO!
Comment by J-rock — March 20, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Me too J-rock – I’m at work and people now think I’ve totally lost my mind. Most excellent comic relief hellinabucket, thanks.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHowsad, so what about that out an out lie you attributed to me? Your credibility can’t erode any more. Not that you had much to begin with.
BTW, what’s the topic of this thread again? Do you even know?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pmTweedster,
Ok, I’ll stop the childish behavior, sorry.
I tend to vote Republican, yes. But both parties have me completly fed up. I am tired of partisan politics, I am tired of the Dems crying about Republicans doing to them what they did to Repus back during the Reagan years and the same with Republicans crying about what they did to the Dems during the Clinton years.
I am tired of the hypocrisy of both parties. I am tired of Bush not sending enough troops to end IRaq once and for all. I am tired of Dems always insulting our troops and trying to stop all measure that will help keep my chidren safe from terrorist attacks.
I love, adore politics, but i am fed up with the current dems and current reps.
make sense.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pmThat’s your answer sadsack? That’s piss poor. You can’t even state why you want to defend them. Talk about fun and schoolin someone. Your sorry ass can’t come up with one reason why you howl like a monkey against those against Bush. Nothing. He’s been there for six plus years but anything good escapes you. But you’ve got fire and brimstone to throw at anyone who disagrees with him.
Damn, that’s funny and sad(sack)
March 20th, 2007 at 2:35 pmtweed,
I mean, i’ll be honest, conservatives treat liberals that go to their blogs as bad as you guys treat conservatives that go into liberal blogs.
i mean we have become so divisive, so “civil war” like over our politics, we forget to listen to each others points of views. and i include myself in here.
I am tired of going into blogs from both sides and see how each other demonizes the oposition.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:36 pmhowsad sez:
No, howsad, you didn’t.
You’re either stupid, a liar, or most likely, given the timbre of your posts, a stupid liar.
This was fun, but I actually have to go do something work-related, so I’ll have to adjourn our kick-the-troll game now, troll.
Doi gen Hokkien.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:37 pmmean honestly without insults or sarcasms, shane. Chicago is and has been a Democrat control city of decades and it is full, i mean full of corruption. Why aren’t Liberls up in arms against Democrats in
howsad
If you ever went into Chicago you would see that its about the most beautiful city there is. Tourism is booming bring revenue into the city and state like there is no tomorrow. Bush should have taken a lesson from the first Mayor Daley, take a little and leave a little and don’t make a pig of yourself.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIf Bush had shown just the slightest bit of moderation I don’t think he’d be in so much trouble now.
Because when I said to come meet my husband you said that I must introduce him to lots of women. Or something to that effect. So you’re not a woman? Lawyers who aren’t lawyers, doctors not doctors and women who are men = you neocons are a shifty bunch.
hellinabucket….
oh please, nice game you are trying to play….why don’t you be honest and admit that you don’t believe that this administration has done anything good. here just a few things Bush has done right….
1)Remove Saddam Hussein from power
2)Pass an executive decision that stop funding of international organizations that perform abortions.
3)No Child Left Behind, with the help of Ted Kennedy.
4)Tax Cuts.
i could go on, but you and I both know that you are just playing a childish game because now you will tell me how you disagree with these four and why I am idiot for thinking these are good things that the administration has done.
stop playing silly, 2 year old games.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:39 pmhowsad
March 20th, 2007 at 2:41 pmThere are a few here that listen and respond thoughtfully.
U should just respond to those individuals and not the rest of the circus clowns here. They are just hateful, as u have observed.
shane,
So do you think that it is ok for Daley to have transformed Chicago into a beautiful city through corruption? I live in Chicago, north side by Belmont and Damen.
and Chicago is not that beautiful, go to Little Village, Pilsen, Rogers Park. What Daley has done is getrification and he is pushing the poor out of Chicago. Like the whole UIC deal and University Village.
he has this city in huge, I mean huge, huge debts. Let us not forget the whole Millenium Park debacle, which he first claim it was going to be 10 million dollars and it turned out to be 200 million.
or how about the truck scandal, i mean the list goes on and one.
Do you believe that the ends justify the means? that Daley did a good job even if he had to become best friends with the mobsters of chicago to do so?
do you think it is ok that Daley spends more money on northside schools than on southside schools?
do you think it ok what he did with the airplane field by the lake?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:43 pmflaco….
you are right….and i have stop my immaturity, let us see who follows.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:44 pmGeez Howsad, was it that difficult to be honest with what you really are about? I’m pretty much in the same boat as you as far as having a good amount of disdain for the current two-party system. It is one party, bought and paid for by corporations, who would rather hold their own positions of power than advance our great country as a whole.
That being said, in regards to this topic PLUS previous incidences where moves made by this administration seek to consolidate power in the Executive branch as never before, makes me very adamant in my opinion that Bush and his cabal have gone too far. I do not believe they have the best interests of all Americans at heart, and I do not like how an already untrustworthy government continues to obfuscate the truth around it’s actions. Past President’s be damned, we are talking about the future here, and if this trend continues it will be grim indeed.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:47 pmshane,
and let us not even start talking about the huge tax increases that have occured in Chicago while Daley has been in office and all so he can pay off mobsters and his party leaders.
the Aldermen are but his rubber stamp and let us not even start talking about all the Democrat aldermen that have ended up in jail thanks to FBI undercover investigations.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pmsadsack, I just wanted to see why you are so adament on backing these guys. I could dispute some of your reasons but then that’s just what you would think I would do. Seriously though, there is no precedent to exclude anyone from testifying. Congress will subpeana (Check out the more recent threads) and the president can refuse. That wouldn’t be wise considering the the 94 to 2 vote and the shifting explainations this admin keeps giving on why they were fired.
You are so willing to fall on your sword for this admin. Are you a true conservative or just a Bush supporter?
March 20th, 2007 at 2:53 pmtweedster,
I will say this, Republicans got too cozy while they held power from 1994 until 2006 and they became exactly what they said they wouldn’t become back in 1994.
I do believe that our two party system is much better than what Europe has, way better. But I will agree that many in power today, both parties only care about party and not our best interest.
I do believe that there is much better checks and balances in our system when the legislative branch and the executive branch are controlled by a different party.
I mean do you think that if a Democrat wins in 2008 and Dems control Congress in 2008 things aren’t going to be exactly the same as when Bush and Republicans controlled both branches of government?
Shane….serious question.
I am assuming you are a woman. How as a woman could you have voted for Clinton and if you could you would vote for him again?
the guy is a womanizer, a sleeze ball in every sense of the word. He cheated against his family and I believe that if a person is willing to hurt those that he knows well and supposedly loves, how is he going to care for those that he doesn’t know at all and doesn’t even know they exist.
Honestly, I do not understand how any woman could support Bill Clinton.
March 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pmhellinabucket….fall on the sword for this administration? c’mon please a tiny bit of hyperbole there don’t you think?
I prefer this administration over the Clinton administration, but it doesn’t mean that I am blind to its huge faults.
Bush is not a full fleshed conservative, I know I am going to hear it from Liberals, but he is more of a JFK, FDR President. he is no where near being a Reagan conservative.
sad that it will take a Democrat congress for him to use the veto pen for the first time. not that it would be different if the roles were reversed with Democrats in the White House….but still two wrongs don’t make a right.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pmas for the subject at hand….
I do believe that this is being overblown by the Democrats. Democrats smell blood, they want to win in 2008 and what better way to do it than using the same tactics they used in 2006, show that Republicans are all corrupt.
this is politics at its best and Democrats do a good job at it.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:04 pmUsually it is those who support every position the president puts forth who are labled Bush supporters, and it is usually those same people who say “I’m not a Bush supporter, I just don’t agree witht he libs/dems etc…”
Hey how about a little proof on those 5,000 deaths? If you blow the easy ones the harder ones must be wrong too.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:14 pmEhm, I remember Gonzalez, Rice, and others appearing before Congress. Or was that after 2004, which Think Progress cleverly qualifies? ;)
March 20th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#282 hadsad
1. In the first place we had no business removing Saddam Hussein from Iraq as this was not our country
2. The no child left behind is not working.
3. The middle class should of got a tax cut not the !% rich.
4. I would spend my taxpayer money any day on abortion not this illegal war that Old Bushies and his rich buddies are stealing the OIL in Iraq. He is putting our men & women in a war that can not be win. Bush has no plan to win this war.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:25 pmHowsad,
While there is chaos in Europe with the multitude of parties that wind up holding seats in a lot of Parliamentary bodies, there needs to be at least a visible third party in the U.S. to give both Dems and Repubs pause and to give we the people a viable alternative for change. It would make sense that if we have parties cast as Left and Right, that a third party could help define a Center. It won’t happen any time soon though, because disrupting the current power structure is a huge no-no in Washington.
While it does breed inertia when we have two branches acting in complete concert, to my knowledge, there hasn’t been a worse example of this than Bush and the 109th Congress. They bellied up to G.W. and gave him carte blanche on things that deserved more scrutiny the first time around. This is why we are now seeing the full effect of having two branches being totally complicit with each other.
I really don’t see things being identical in 2008. Similar, yes, but as far as any subsequent Congress giving such a wide berth to the President, I don’t think it will happen again. I mean, at least the Democratic congress as it is now constituted would give perhaps superficial debate to anything the next Pres. proposes. The 109th Congress was one of the worst EVER, and frankly, I don’t see how you can argue too much in favor of Bush. He gutted education, environmental protections, etc., and homeland security is not even up to snuff. We still have vulnerable nuclear power plants, train and bus stations, the airlines aren’t much better, and he handed port security over to Dubai. C’mon, you have to say that a lot of this stuff is no good, and its no good for the American people.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWell said Tweedster.
Sadsack, I never voted for Clinton but he was a much better president than Dubya. Clinton new how to work with a Republican Congress and the country moved forward. Bush knew how to manipulate his slanted congress and we’ve fallen into dark times. No oversight for six years. A lot of bad things can be thought up by those in power in six years. The democrats are now shedding light on all of this. Given time the balance of power will swing and the minority republicans will actually stand on their principles (just as the democrats have done now) and will expose the future generation of official who get drunk on power. Let the laws prevail and stop your blind obedience. This administration is corrupt and history will not be kind to the Dick n Bush gang.
March 20th, 2007 at 3:46 pmpoor out of Chicago. Like the whole UIC deal and University Village.
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Oh you mean like Bush did to New Orleans. Gee we have a lot to learn from you repugs.
Where’s the proof for all the crap you site and then why did he win overwhelmingly.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:24 pmDemocrats smell blood, they want to win in 2008 and what better way to do it than using the same tactics they used in 2006, show that Republicans are all corrupt
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
The Republican’s showed they were corrupt. They handed congress back to Democrats with their abuses of power.
No with no president or control of congress the last six years you want to blame Democrats for everything. Well you can’t so give it up. Even non-interested citizens aren’t stupid enough to believe that line of crap.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pmthe guy is a womanizer, a sleeze ball in every sense of the word. He cheated against his family and I believe that if a person is willing to hurt those that he knows well and supposedly loves, how is he going to care for those that he doesn’t know at all and doesn’t even know they exist.
Honestly, I do not understand how any woman could support Bill Clinton.
Comment by howsad — March 20, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Because as a Democrat I believe in staying out of other’s sex live. If Hillary doesn’t care who he has sex with why would I. His sex life is not an issue that I would judge a vote on just as I wouldn’t vote for somebody just because they were faithful if I didn’t like his policies. That’s a Republican voter’s agenda.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:33 pmHellinabucket, thanks for your compliment…if nothing else, the trolling on this particular thread got me really fired up!!! Anyway, I always read through the threads here, and you’ve been a consistently good voice here. Now that I’m kind of on a roll, I’ll be throwing my hat into a bunch more topics – see you around the web.
Howsad – thanks for toning down some of the vitriol for your last couple of posts. I hate getting roped into name-calling matches, and if I’m engaged the right way it is easy to see I’m not some Kool-Aid drinking fool (from either side of the spectrum!)
March 20th, 2007 at 5:06 pm[...] Josh Marshall notes, Let’s be honest. Presidential advisors testify all the time. They don’t have the same responsibilities vis a vis Congress as members of the executive [...]
March 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pm[...] Josh Marshall notes, Let’s be honest. Presidential advisors testify all the time. They don’t have the same responsibilities vis a vis Congress as members of the executive [...]
March 20th, 2007 at 5:42 pm@299 – that was funny – I thought he was talking about Gingrich or Giuliani!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 5:58 pmhellinabucket: “damn, I go to lunch and now sadsack is eyeballing Clinton’s package.”
The funniest line of the day!
March 20th, 2007 at 6:09 pmhowsad: “Honestly, I do not understand how any woman could support Bill Clinton.”
That’s not surprising. I’m guessing there are a few things you don’t understand about women. But really, give women some credit. I’m sure most voting women are smart enough to prefer a philanderer who favors public policy good for women to a monk who favors public policy bad for women.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pmI do not know why, but I’m beginning to believe shane and howsad are one and the same.
Same level of discourse, the name-calling, shane calling howsad ‘little troll’ and howsad calling shane ‘little shane’, same amount of spelling and grammar mistakes, both like to use the word ‘wow’.
Effective thread hijacking though. Probably turns some people off to this site’s forum.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pm[...] out of curiosity, do any of you guys know if Clinton ever tried to use it? I do know his aides did show up to testify before Dan Burton’s There’s Gotta Be Something Committee on numerous [...]
March 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pmTHIRD, A SPOONFUL of SUBPOENAS makes CHIMPEACHMENT GO DOWN-WOWN, CHIMPEACHMENT GO DOWN, JUST A SPOONFUL of SUBPOENAS makes CHIMPEACHMENT GO DOWN, IN A MOST DELIGHTFUL WAY!!!!!
March 20th, 2007 at 10:42 pmHAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!!
heh, you’re joking right…
Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O’Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/03/20/the-nixon-test-doesnt-apply/
March 20th, 2007 at 11:22 pm[...] that is true [...]
March 21st, 2007 at 1:56 am[...] Executive privilege must now exist more for some than for others as it is exercised. Watch Tony Snow do [...]
March 21st, 2007 at 2:59 am[...] by Phoenix Woman on March 21st, 2007 Why does George W. Bush fear seeing Karl Rove do what so many White House advisors in the past have done before him — testify under oath before an open session of [...]
March 21st, 2007 at 8:41 amHowsad, I’ve been reading your posts and I’m trying to figure out why your hostility. Was it the story last month that Reagan was bi-sexual? That’s gotta be tough to swallow. (no pun intended)
March 21st, 2007 at 10:06 amHey howsad:
Where did you go to law school? Pepperdine?
Maybe you should re-read your notes on the doctrine of separation of powers. There is absolutely nothing in there that precludes one branch from demanding answers to legitimate questions from another branch especially when the one being questioned has encroached on the other two branches by attempting to nullify laws passed by the legislature and passing sentences on people who have not been availed of the legal machinery to defend themselves.
If you are an attorney I’m sure your good at what you do because spinning lies into believable scenarios is especially important at times.
However, the rest of us feel some sort of allegiance to certain oaths and obligations as officers of the court.
And if you are a teacher of law students (God help us) please don’t spew this tripe as established fact.
I think your medications are in the cabinet. You might want to discard the LSD and skip the mushrooms.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:07 ami find Bush’s comments interesting and ironic.
The framers of the Constitution understood this vital role when developing the separate branches of government. And if the staff of a President operated in constant fear of being hauled before various committees to discuss internal deliberations, the President would not receive candid advice, and the American people would be ill-served.
This of course is the same group who authorized warrent less searches, wiretaps, open your mail etc. all to combat terrorists. and when civil liberties were questioned and the constiution was brought up. Their reply was the Framers did not consider these issues and if you have done nothing wrong you should not be in fear.
What does Bush fear to have these people raise their right hand and say ..I swear….
March 21st, 2007 at 10:22 pm[...] And again: Senate Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-VT) has called on Karl Rove and other top White House aides to testify under oath in front of Congress concerning their role in the U.S. attorney purge. A response from White House Counsel Fred Fielding is expected today, but in the meantime, the White House and its allies have put up a fight, arguing that presidential advisers have historically not testified in front of Congress: White House Press Secretary Tony Snow: Well, as you know, Ed, it has been traditional in all White Houses not to have staffers testify on Capitol Hill. [3/13/07] [...]
March 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 amHas anyone out there seen a U.F.O? That is the big question,I have seen 2. The biggest COVER UP in Washington by our Government is this subject.Think about it,believe me,it’s real,I’ll testify before Congress if I’m called concerning the U.F.O. cover up and lies.
March 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 amHas everyone forgotten that Bush and Cheney and co. got away with this when summoned before the farcical 9/11 Commission? The deal they arranged was for a closed room, no transcript, no oath, ….and so much more….
If you don’t remember, read today’s blog at TVNL:
March 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmeveryone of you backing this administration volunteer to join the Army and deploy to Baghdad. Otherwise, sit down and shut the bleep up.
March 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pmBush/Cheney/Rove have acted/reacted they are throwing a temper tantrem, it is time for the adults in Congress to take charge. The disregard for humanity and destruction to our country among other nations demands action. Americans should be very interested in what these USAs were prosecuting, there should be no cover-ups, lies, spins or failure to search for the truth and justice anymore. Specter has covered up enough crimes for the elite and fellow politicians (or himself).
BTW, Gonzales can say he is sorry till he is blue in the face but until he is willing to bring down the pedophiles at the very top of the rings, he’s all show. It only reminds me of the Franklin Credit Union cover-up back when Reagan-BUSH, SR. was in the White House.
March 23rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmA quote from one of the great leaders of the first peoples of this land – “It does not require many words to speak the truth” Chief Joseph, Nez Perce – It did not take many years for the so-called ‘leaders’ of the United States to drag their stolen nation to the bottom in all matters, and it did not take many years for them to destroy what was once a beautiful land, raping her and selling her beauty to anyone who was willing to pay. One more quote: “Sell a country! Why not sell the air, the great sea, as well as the Earth?” – Tecumseh – Shawnee Well the white man has been able to do just that, and they will also be selling the water. The heartless ones do not understand love – they never have and they never will. They enjoy nothing but their ill gained riches and the misery it buys for them. The Middle East is just a replay of the tragedy that befell this land, Turtle Island, and its indigenous people more than 300 years ago, and continues to this day. As long as there are the greedy ones that need to have power to destroy all that is good, this tragedy will be perpetuated. This is indeed a very strange time and will be remembered as one of the darkest times in the history of the United States. Without the internet most of what is occuring would not be brought to light -
March 24th, 2007 at 1:16 pm[...] Think Progress has noted, Clinton was far more transparent than Bush when Congress requested that his aides testify, allowing 31 of his top aides to appear in [...]
March 26th, 2007 at 8:03 pm[...] He has covered the issue for ABC, even acknowledging on his Sunday show (3/18) that he testified under oath before Congress with a transcript when he worked in the White [...]
March 29th, 2007 at 7:09 pm