Comments on: A second set of emails from the gap. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:55:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: The Skeptical Cynic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-4/#comment-2462502 The Skeptical Cynic Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:00:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2462502 #64 Rum Dummy's comment claimed the WMDs were "They’re north, south, east and west of <em>Tikrit</em>". #64
Rum Dummy’s comment claimed the WMDs were

“They’re north, south, east and west of Tikrit“.

]]> By: The Heretik : BS Alert http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-4/#comment-2454330 The Heretik : BS Alert Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:16:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2454330 [...] and the beginning of December no longer exist. So there is no gap. That will be all. Until there is more. Or less. Or more. Thank [...] [...] and the beginning of December no longer exist. So there is no gap. That will be all. Until there is more. Or less. Or more. Thank [...]

]]> By: may http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-4/#comment-2443907 may Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:34:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2443907 at 79 & 95 but are they all volunteers in uncoerced choice?some are. they've kept the draft--by judicial process. some would be there (h/m?) because they were given the army/ gaol option for lowish level offences at 79 & 95
but are they all volunteers in uncoerced choice?some are.
they’ve kept the draft–by judicial process.
some would be there (h/m?) because they were given the army/ gaol option for lowish level offences

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2435200 Mr.Murder Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:00:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2435200 So Bush does not mind running campaigns against free speech? ...this is supoposed to be his rallying cry? So Bush does not mind running campaigns against free speech?

…this is supoposed to be his rallying cry?

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2429591 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:10:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2429591 If they were manually copied, then not only does that no rule out tampering, it suggests it. If they were manually copied, then not only does that no rule out tampering, it suggests it.

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2429557 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:09:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2429557 If it was manually copied then its worthless anyway. It you need to screenshot these for this kind of stuff, so they can't be modified. And you need the server backups to corroborate them. If it was manually copied then its worthless anyway. It you need to screenshot these for this kind of stuff, so they can’t be modified. And you need the server backups to corroborate them.

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2429471 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:07:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2429471 Its possible they were copied from the email client to a text editor, and the transcriber hit the keyboard or something, with regards to the corrupted From field. But then we are not getting the messages, but simply someone copying the message, and they could write in anything. That might be the explanation though. It may be they just manually copied them over, and screwed up while doing it. Its possible they were copied from the email client to a text editor, and the transcriber hit the keyboard or something, with regards to the corrupted From field.

But then we are not getting the messages, but simply someone copying the message, and they could write in anything.

That might be the explanation though. It may be they just manually copied them over, and screwed up while doing it.

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2429371 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:05:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2429371 But the Blackberry keyboard thing is a good guess. I could see that, but there is more than just him mispelling his own first name. But I am open to any reasonable explanations. I am sure there is one. But it is suspicious, considering the circumstances the message is being released under, including the time delay and the fact we are still missing the bulk of the messages from the 18 day period. Somethings fishy. But the Blackberry keyboard thing is a good guess.

I could see that, but there is more than just him mispelling his own first name.

But I am open to any reasonable explanations. I am sure there is one. But it is suspicious, considering the circumstances the message is being released under, including the time delay and the fact we are still missing the bulk of the messages from the 18 day period.

Somethings fishy.

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2429264 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:04:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2429264 Problem with that Willem, is it doesn't explain the corrupted From field. If I had to give my opinion I'd say that message seems to have been tampered with. Problem with that Willem, is it doesn’t explain the corrupted From field.

If I had to give my opinion I’d say that message seems to have been tampered with.

]]> By: Willem van Oranje http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2429059 Willem van Oranje Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:00:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2429059 Suppose it was typed on a BlackBerry, are the A and the E close to each other? I can only imagine an error in such a case. On a standard keyboard I would think it's impossible too, typing your name is on automatic pilot Suppose it was typed on a BlackBerry, are the A and the E close to each other? I can only imagine an error in such a case. On a standard keyboard I would think it’s impossible too, typing your name is on automatic pilot

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2428424 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:49:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2428424 People just don't mispell their own first names like this. If someone is typing someone elses name, and if hes in a hurry, and is under pressure or afraid of getting caught, then in his haste, he might mispell someone ELSES name. But people don't mispell their own first names. Particularly when signing them. People just don’t mispell their own first names like this.

If someone is typing someone elses name, and if hes in a hurry, and is under pressure or afraid of getting caught, then in his haste, he might mispell someone ELSES name.

But people don’t mispell their own first names.

Particularly when signing them.

]]> By: Willem van Oranje http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2428413 Willem van Oranje Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:49:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2428413 TAFKaW, from the article above (the Libby defence team accused Fitzgerald of not providing the defence with all the material Fitzgerald had, pertinent to the case). Fitzgerald wrote back: “We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system.” TAFKaW, from the article above (the Libby defence team accused Fitzgerald of not providing the defence with all the material Fitzgerald had, pertinent to the case). Fitzgerald wrote back: “We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system.”

]]> By: j4k http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2428137 j4k Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:40:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2428137 I can't explain the 'Frmit' - nor can I explain why the lines: .fm told this is now on track **Charlton has been directed... are both outside the left margin. I did find out that Sigal Mandelker was on the Senior Executive Service performance review board - fwiw. I can’t explain the ‘Frmit’ – nor can I explain why the lines:

.fm told this is now on track
**Charlton has been directed…

are both outside the left margin.

I did find out that Sigal Mandelker was on the Senior Executive Service performance review board – fwiw.

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2427803 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:31:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2427803 <em>Something else: does the House Committee get the same “pdf” files as we are working on or do they get the “original” print-outs?</em> Comment by Willem van Oranje — March 22, 2007 @ 12:20 am Well thats always been the real mystery for me so to speak. Where and what do they see? I mean, are these emails coming from the original mail server logs? Are they coming from the client workstations mail program? Are they coming from the receiving end server logs, (assuming the SMTP server logs the DATA field in the SMTP packets) is it coming from the receiving end clients mail program, or is it coming from backups. And if from backups, who's backups? Or is it coming from some form of Carnivore program. And who has technical oversight? Who ensures the data is not tampered with? Lots of questions there. Something else: does the House Committee get the same “pdf” files as we are working on or do they get the “original” print-outs?

Comment by Willem van Oranje — March 22, 2007 @ 12:20 am

Well thats always been the real mystery for me so to speak. Where and what do they see?

I mean, are these emails coming from the original mail server logs? Are they coming from the client workstations mail program? Are they coming from the receiving end server logs, (assuming the SMTP server logs the DATA field in the SMTP packets) is it coming from the receiving end clients mail program, or is it coming from backups. And if from backups, who’s backups? Or is it coming from some form of Carnivore program.

And who has technical oversight? Who ensures the data is not tampered with?

Lots of questions there.

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2427333 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:21:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2427333 -<em> that would explain the lack of line breaks and missing spaces - and possibly the stray underline mark.</em> Comment by j4k — March 21, 2007 @ 11:54 pm Another explanation for all of these things you mention j4k is that the message was built from inside of a remote terminal shell. When data is entered manually through a terminal window, you lose formatting, and will see characters like the hyphen. - that would explain the lack of line breaks and missing spaces – and possibly the stray underline mark.

Comment by j4k — March 21, 2007 @ 11:54 pm

Another explanation for all of these things you mention j4k is that the message was built from inside of a remote terminal shell.

When data is entered manually through a terminal window, you lose formatting, and will see characters like the hyphen.

]]> By: Willem van Oranje http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2427274 Willem van Oranje Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:20:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2427274 I've posted a link to the article; the Brant misspelling; and the FrMit on TPMmuckraker as well with a reference to here. So far, only j4k has picked it up. Keep an eye on it. I think it deserves more attention as well. Something else: does the House Committee get the same "pdf" files as we are working on or do they get the "original" print-outs? I’ve posted a link to the article; the Brant misspelling; and the FrMit on TPMmuckraker as well with a reference to here. So far, only j4k has picked it up.

Keep an eye on it. I think it deserves more attention as well.

Something else: does the House Committee get the same “pdf” files as we are working on or do they get the “original” print-outs?

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2426821 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:09:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2426821 <em>Indeed, I’ve seen a lot of messages with “sent with my blackberry” (or something like that)</em> Comment by Willem van Oranje — March 22, 2007 @ 12:05 am Thats right. It usually looks like this. -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld Indeed, I’ve seen a lot of messages with “sent with my blackberry” (or something like that)

Comment by Willem van Oranje — March 22, 2007 @ 12:05 am

Thats right. It usually looks like this.

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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2426748 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:08:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2426748 Are we the only people asking these questions? Are we the only people asking these questions?

]]> By: The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2426663 The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:06:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2426663 Also, look at the rest of the message. It is meticulous. Punctuation. Capitalization. But he mispells his own first name. I'm sorry, but I don't think using his Blackberry explains it. He managed to get everything else right, but not his name? Not likely. Also, look at the rest of the message. It is meticulous. Punctuation. Capitalization.

But he mispells his own first name.

I’m sorry, but I don’t think using his Blackberry explains it.

He managed to get everything else right, but not his name?

Not likely.

]]> By: Willem van Oranje http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/comment-page-3/#comment-2426637 Willem van Oranje Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:05:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/21/a-second-set-of-emails-from-the-gap/#comment-2426637 Indeed, I've seen a lot of messages with "sent with my blackberry" (or something like that) Indeed, I’ve seen a lot of messages with “sent with my blackberry” (or something like that)

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