ThinkFast: March 21, 2007
ThinkFast: March 21, 2007
New government auditor report finds that “‘ghost soldiers’ still help fill Iraq’s army ranks and no one knows how many trained policemen remain on the job.” Out of the 136,400 soldiers the Pentagon has said are trained, the “actual number of present-for-duty soldiers is about one-half to two-thirds of the total due to scheduled leave, absence without leave, and attrition.”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) is pressing the Justice Department on the departure of the former U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, Debra Yang, who resigned last October. “Was she asked to resign, and if so, why? We have to ferret that out,” said Feinstein.
The Wounded Warrior Assistance Act of 2007, a bill aimed at “making immediate improvements in the treatment…of wounded combat veterans passed the House Armed Services Committee by a 59-0 vote Tuesday.”
The Justice Department’s Inspector General yesterday told the House “that the FBI may have violated the law or government policies as many as 3,000 times since 2003 as agents secretly collected the telephone, bank and credit card records of U.S. citizens and foreign nationals residing here.”
The U.N. refugee agency says “there has been an ‘abject denial‘ around the world of the humanitarian impact of invading Iraq.” The agency estimates that the “number of Iraqis living beyond the country’s borders as refugees stands at two million and a further 1.7 million live within the borders as displaced people.”
Senators yesterday pressed the Bush administration to more “aggressively prosecute contracting fraud in Iraq, saying the dozen criminal cases filed aren’t enough of a deterrent.”
“An ambitious effort to bulldoze more than 9,000 rotting houses still standing [in New Orleans] after Hurricane Katrina has slowed sharply this year, prolonging the city’s attempts to rebuild blighted neighborhoods, city and federal records show.”
At least seven helicopters were downed by insurgents in Iraq between Jan. 20 and Feb. 21. The military has responded “by limiting the airspace where U.S. pilots can fly” and enlarging “several ‘no-fly zones’ north of Baghdad.”
And finally: Tom DeLay’s new book: TMI? DeLay reveals that he “lived in group houses dubbed the ‘Macho Manor’ and ‘Hot Tub Haven’ with other members of the Texas state Legislature, back when he earned the moniker ‘Hot Tub Tom.’ DeLay admits to philandering.”
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Tom Delay and his fellow fratboys in the Texas legislature spent alot of time in their hot tub and he admits to philandering. 2 + 2 =
March 21st, 2007 at 9:11 amDeLay reveals that he “lived in group houses dubbed the ‘Macho Manor’ and ‘Hot Tub Haven’
Good to hear that delay doesn’t mind living in a group setting. That will certainly work in his favor at his next ‘group house’, also known as the ‘big house’
March 21st, 2007 at 9:15 amTom “Cockroach” Delay has to be one of the most arrogant, self-serving, conscience-deficient, dishonest, power-obsessed person ever to be elected to Congress. No, check that….person ever to live in America. I recently caught part of an interview with him on NPR and it was truly appalling how this man views the world and his place in it. Hopefully, he will do prison time and be taken off the political landscape long enough for the damage he has done to our country to heal.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:15 amWhy would there be any objections to Rove and Miers being under oath unless they intended to lie? If they intended to tell the truth, why would being under oath make any difference?
March 21st, 2007 at 9:16 am“the FBI may have violated the law or government policies”
MAY have violated???? Oh, Please!
March 21st, 2007 at 9:17 amRep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) said the inspector general’s report shows that “the FBI has had a gross overreach,” and added that its officials “can’t get away with this and expect to maintain public support for the tools that they need to combat terrorism.”
Here’s an idea. Let’s make them get a court order before they are allowed to circumvent the constitutional rights of American citizens. If there is a pressing need they can request the court order 48 hours after they did was necessary at the immediate time.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:18 amlw- I was thinking the same thing this morning. Bush acts like being under oath is a bad thing. It is if your going to lie, like i’m sure rove and miers are more than willing to do. God, I want pig-face to go down. Bush will probably speed up the invasion of Iran just to take the heat off of pig-face.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:21 amUnder oath? Hell, he doesn’t even want them on the record! I don’t know how much more obvious it could be that these goons have something to hide. Here’s hoping we’ll find out exactly what it is.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:26 amNew government auditor report finds that “‘ghost soldiers’ still help fill Iraq’s army ranks and no one knows how many trained policemen remain on the job.†Out of the 136,400 soldiers the Pentagon has said are trained, the “actual number of present-for-duty soldiers is about one-half to two-thirds of the total due to scheduled leave, absence without leave, and attrition.â€
They are good for WH propaganda. They can say that they have N brigades full of Iraqi policemen/soldiers, when really, they have lot less. In the other hand, where has gone all that trained people? Guess what are doing right now.
The Justice Department’s Inspector General yesterday told the House “that the FBI may have violated the law or government policies as many as 3,000 times since 2003 as agents secretly collected the telephone, bank and credit card records of U.S. citizens and foreign nationals residing here.â€
But hey, is still “the land of the free” and “all the countries in the world envy us” nation. Yeah, right.
The U.N. refugee agency says “there has been an ‘abject denial‘ around the world of the humanitarian impact of invading Iraq.†The agency estimates that the “number of Iraqis living beyond the country’s borders as refugees stands at two million and a further 1.7 million live within the borders as displaced people.â€
The WH loves micromanaging, battling every KIA in the news, flying wounded, almost dead soldiers out of the country quickly to not add them to the official deathcount. Iraqis have never been a part of the equation, and 1.7 milion of foreing people living in shitholes is a too big number to the bean counters up there, and not worthy to be accounted.
Senators yesterday pressed the Bush administration to more “aggressively prosecute contracting fraud in Iraq, saying the dozen criminal cases filed aren’t enough of a deterrent.â€
Four years too late.
“An ambitious effort to bulldoze more than 9,000 rotting houses still standing [in New Orleans] after Hurricane Katrina has slowed sharply this year, prolonging the city’s attempts to rebuild blighted neighborhoods, city and federal records show.â€
Guess that this means that the founding for the Katrina reconstruction has been diverted -yet again- I wonder how the NO population has to find a job, if jobs are being cut day after day. No job, and rotting homes. Happy happy joy joy!
At least seven helicopters were downed by insurgents in Iraq between Jan. 20 and Feb. 21. The military has responded “by limiting the airspace where U.S. pilots can fly†and enlarging “several ‘no-fly zones’ north of Baghdad.â€
Guess the “ragheads” aren’t idiot cavemen at all. The partition of Iraq has been done already: the USA troops inside their circled wagons in the green zone and the iraqis outside.
And finally: Tom DeLay’s new book: TMI? DeLay reveals that he “lived in group houses dubbed the ‘Macho Manor’ and ‘Hot Tub Haven’ with other members of the Texas state Legislature, back when he earned the moniker ‘Hot Tub Tom.’ DeLay admits to philandering.â€
Sounds really really sleazy. I Wonder if Vince P. was also in one of these Macho Manor or the Hot Tub Heaven at the same time.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:28 amI want to know WHO directed the FBI to carry out this obvious violation of the law?
March 21st, 2007 at 9:32 amWho wants to see the ugly mug of DipshitDelay on television – who wants to have to see an indicted criminal parading around and having any opinion about anything relevant to this country?? He’s a thug and a pedestrian thug at that! He’s arrogance is only trumped by his total lack of grey matter existing in his cranium. Ugh…that man is one ugly sucker who needs to change his hair dye because it obviously is seeping throught the pores in his skull.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:35 amContracting Fraud in Iraq??? Let’s get to the bottom of where that money is going….hmmm….Haliburton moves Headquarters last week to Dubai…..Bush buys mega parcel in foreign country….hmmm…I think we can follow those money trails. The people can no longer trust this WH and anything they say.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:36 amThe military has responded “by limiting the airspace where U.S. pilots can fly†and enlarging “several ‘no-fly zones’ north of Baghdad.â€
I wonder if the Repugs will view this redeployment as “cutting and running” from the enemy? If they don’t fight them in ‘no-fly zones’ they’ll have to fight them over here in the ‘green zone’.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:37 amI could have sworn I read an article about a USA being offered a large sum to join the law firm representing Lewis and the defense contractor. Am I wrong?
March 21st, 2007 at 9:40 amBush has ordered more than 20,000 new troops to Iraq this year,
THAT WAS LAST NOVEMBER TELL HIM TO SORT THIS OUT HES HAD 4 MONTHS 338 TROOPS HAVE DIED SINCE THEN
its not a surge its a sloath
March 21st, 2007 at 9:44 amWell, ya see, if it’s under oath and on the record, it’s just a political witch hunt, heh-heh. And Rove and Harriet, they’ve got bad mem’ries. In fact, everybody in my administration has bad mem’ries. ‘Cept Condi. She’s got nice mem’ries. heh-heh.
But Rove and Harriet could wind up bein’ prosecuted, just fer havin’ a bad mem’ry and forgettin’ to tell the truth.
That’s why I’m offerin’ them up to have a conversation. In private. Without an oath. And they git to have a couple of lawyers on their side. To help remind them, heh-heh, to tell the truth. heh-heh.
But if Congress wants to subpoena them, and have them tell the truth in public and under oath, well, I’m gonna fight Congress all the way to the Supreme Court. If I’m lucky, that otta delay things until I’m outta office. heh-heh. oops. did I say that out loud?
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March 21st, 2007 at 9:45 amJust don’t let it be forgotten that bushco slipped a provision into the patriot act to permit them to obstruct justice.
They are CONSTITUTION RAPISTS, and they deserve PRISON
March 21st, 2007 at 9:46 amPolice Yield to Sunni Insurgents’ Ultimatum
BAGHDAD, March 19 — Dozens of insurgents wielding machine guns surrounded the police station before dawn Monday in Duluiyah, a majority Sunni town about 45 miles north of Baghdad. The five officers on duty walked out, hands to the dark sky, and waited to be executed.
But instead of firing, the insurgents’ leader spoke: Repent, he commanded, or die.
“So we swore to quit the police and support the Islamic State of Iraq,” recalled Mohammad Hashmawi, one of the police officers, referring to a militant Sunni organization active in many parts of the country.
Apparently content, the insurgents stole the officers’ decrepit weapons and the station’s communications equipment, blew up the building and released the officers. A similar scene played out simultaneously at another police station in the town, said police Capt. Hussein al-Jaburi. It was the fifth police station in the town to be destroyed by Sunni extremists in two weeks, he said, leaving just three standing.
Later, Hashmawi said he would keep his vow. “I have seen death with my own eyes, and I don’t want to see it again. I will return to being a farmer. I tell you that the decisions and control of the city are in the hands of the Islamic State of Iraq.”
THE INSURGENTS ARE STOPPING KILLING IRAQIS ONLY AMERICANS
March 21st, 2007 at 9:47 amdlet
You are such a dreamer with wildly impossible ideas. :)
March 21st, 2007 at 9:48 amJeff, to BushCo. the Constitution just gets in the way of running the Government as a Dictatorship.
Of course, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended. But to them, the Founding Fathers’ intent only matters when it can be perverted to serve their ends.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:49 am#14 tom
I could have sworn I read an article about a USA being offered a large sum to join the law firm representing Lewis and the defense contractor. Am I wrong?
That was Debra Yang. The firm said she wouldn’t be working on Lewis’ case, but why else would they offer her a ton of money to come work for them? This one calls for a serious investigation.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:50 amI’m just curious, as this was never answered in yesterday’s thread…
March 21st, 2007 at 9:52 amCan the likes of Jake, firehead, flacco, et al., please explain to me what the harm would be in answering while under oath? Why would a discussion of a possible administatrative error not be under oath?
I mean, let’s say Jake, 75 year old vet from the Korean War, was charged with war crimes (which he never committed). Why would he not testify under oath?
I’m not being sarcastic here. Why, if there was no lying, and nothing illegal done, would you not testify under oath.
At least seven helicopters were downed by insurgents in Iraq between Jan. 20 and Feb. 21. The military has responded “by limiting the airspace where U.S. pilots can fly†and enlarging “several ‘no-fly zones’ north of Baghdad.â€
What?? you are losing the war then if you do not have air supremecy
ENOUGH OF BUSHES SURGE , BUSH MUST SEE IRAQ THROUGH ROSE TINTED SPECS
March 21st, 2007 at 9:55 amHas there been any mention of a Delay trial or when it may start. Or does he get to have an open ended hot tub party – I’m getting nauseous.
Obviously he believes that he won’t be held accountable for his actions or he might be showing a little humility.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:56 amPLC,
I heard that some democratic society that used court supervision over their law enforcement. It actually worked well. I can’t seem to remember what happened to that country though.
New government auditor report finds that “‘ghost soldiers’ still help fill Iraq’s army ranks
Is this like the ghost army in the Lord of the Rings movie? If so, that kicks ass.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:56 amThe administration is always so concerned about investigations becoming ‘fishing expeditions’ because they know there’s little doubt that those investigating will quickly catch their limit.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:56 ammilitary commissions act = CYA for Cheney & Bush et al
If we are to restore the balance of equality, fairness, and accountability to these United States, this act must be overturned immediately. It was obviously designed to obstruct justice by the Bush Cabal.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:57 amT.P. should do an expose on this Kimberly Kagan hack who is on C-span right now saying how well the surge is going in Iraq.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:58 amShe is married to one of the Kagan bros. of PNAC. infamy.
There was a Constitutional Attorney on C-span this morning who had worked under Reagan.
And he said, listen to this Jake, that normally the President waives Executive Privilege when supoenas are issued to administration members and LETS them testify.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:58 am#4 It’s a foregone and logical conclusion that THE only reason Rove and Miers WOULD NOT be permitted to testify under oath is because Bush intends for them TO lie!
March 21st, 2007 at 9:58 am#28 Absolutely!! Kagan’s relationship to PNAC needs to be outed by the MSM or they become “complicit” as well in the propaganda they she is spewing.
March 21st, 2007 at 9:59 amGood post, BnF,
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
New Rule: This WH will protect anyone within it, right, wrong or criminal in the name of the newly bred ‘Unitary Executive’ theory.
Never mind that ‘Executive Privilege’ is not mentioned in the constitution.
Never mind that the person can be guilty as sin; they will protect them.
Never mind that Congress has every right to subpoena WH staffers.
Never mind that Clinton sent his staffers to testify under oath about a real estate deal gone bad; not US Attorneys fired for political reasons.
Never mind that the American people smell a rat & want justice served.
Never mind that their own party is asking for the AG’s resignation.
Worst. President. Ever.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:00 amBush is making Nixon look like a choir boy!
Election ‘08: This is off topic and just a personal prediction but it occurred to me that the candidate who will win overwhelmingly in 08 is the one whose platform is “liberal conservative” or “conservatively liberal” AND who did not aid and abet by their “yes” vote this obvious coup on our democracy called Iraq! Has he/she even entered the political election landscape yet? Perhaps so/Perhaps not! Could Gore’s appearance and testimony today further secure his probability of having the respect and attention of the american people to make him the infamous “dark horse” in this race? Time will tell….
March 21st, 2007 at 10:02 amI have a feeling that the Bush admin. has paid off Chuck Todd.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:04 am22. Comment by DRxJ — March 21, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Constitutional attorney on C-span said it doesn’t really matter if witnesses are under oath as long as there’s a transcript of the testimony since there’s a law that you can’t lie to Congress. That’s why Bush wants no transcript allowed of the questioning.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:07 amOf cpirse Reagan/Bush got away with lying to Congress during Iran Contra so I don’t know why W would worry about it.
Comment by Quadrajet — March 21, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Fishing expeditions like in anything goes wire tapping. Bush has some freakin’ nerve.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:09 amhttp://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=71e7e4c1-802a-23ad-4c16-02e25ed1bfd3
FASCISM!!!
March 21st, 2007 at 10:10 amBriseadh na Faire,
Love the dubya speak.
dubya wants it to go to the supreme court of course, they rubber stamp all brownshirt priorities.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:12 amComment by veritas — March 21, 2007 @ 10:02 am
I heard Gore wants to be “drafted” to run. That works for me – how do we start a “draft?”
March 21st, 2007 at 10:13 am“Is this like the ghost army in the Lord of the Rings movie? If so, that kicks ass.”
i can’t wait for the ghost army stands up so american soldiers can stand down.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:13 amLiberals Heart Terrorists,
RETARD!
March 21st, 2007 at 10:14 amVis-a-Vis Wiretapping Illegality/Legality as per The Patriot Act: Someone was just articulating the lightning speed with which the infamous death-warrant-to-our-constitution (Patriot Act) was conceived…some 45 days….and bragging about it! Hah! Do they realize that a vast majority of americans KNOW that this document was drawn up by PNAC well in advance of 9/11?? That’s precisely why these dots will connect retroactively to 9/11 and soon. The american people deserve to know the Truth and not just the “official CYA story” about it.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:15 am#39 I believe that after today’s awesome performance by Gore, it will become crystal clear to americans that the wrong man is sitting in the white house and THE only way to begin to correct this wrong and begin the recovery process is to “redo history” by drafting Gore to the White House. That will become the only “cure” for this flagging democracy…..correcting the wrong that was done to this man by the stolen, corrupt election of 2000 and truly beginning anew with the right winner in place.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:16 ampgw,
Actually the “ghost army” is provided at taxpayer expense by a group of neo-conservative brownshirt lawless thugs called Blackwater.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:17 amIt’s becoming clear to everyone now that the true enemy is the “enemy within”.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:17 amdlet
The country you are thinking about is probably the same one that I have vague recollections about. This country valued freedom of religion, freedom of the media, freedom of assembly, and freedom of dissent. I think what happened is that the country tried to give their government away to another country “over there” and so they no longer had it “over here”. Too bad, it sounded like such a great country to live in and love.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:17 amhow do we start a “draft?â€
Comment by shane
Open a window. {drumroll and rimshot}
Actually, there are a couple of petitions already going around to “draft” Gore into running. Just google ‘draft gore’ and take your pick.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:18 amComment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — March 21, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Oh, is our little terrorist upset. Why I thought you guys didn’t believe in rules. Does that big bad Gore guy have you all upset. You go watch something on Nickolodean and calm yourself down.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:18 amThis is precisely why they’ve not been able to identify any “enemy” in Iraq. On a gut level, we’ve all known but did not want to admit the hard truth about precisely WHOM our real enemy is….it’s the enemy of this democracy….it’s the enemy whom we trusted with our safety and our welfare….it’s the enemy whom we believed to uphold the laws of this country….it’s the enemy who outed a CIA covert operative for political gain and the enabling of war profiteers….yeparoo, folks…it’s the same “enemy” and he’s been the wolf in sheep’s clothing all along.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:19 amJust watched a clip of Gore’s appearance and the level of respect and awe is so obvious with the over-crowded hearing room and the faces of the participants….wow! I haven’t seen this level of dignity and respect on Capitol Hill in 6 long years! Hoorah for the american spirit! Gore, by sheer contrast to the buffoon who robbed him of his win, will ignite a firestorm of true patriotism and this avalanche of darkness will soon envelop all of the diabolical individuals in this administration.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:21 amShane: The “Draft Gore” movement is already in full swing and has been for some time. After yesterday, I’m sure they are being deluged with people jumping ship from the Sinking SS GOP as well.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:22 amBush is making Nixon look like a choir boy!
Comment by Zimzone
Take away Watergate and Kissinger and Nixon had a record of accomplishment many US presidents could be proud of. The boy king, not so much. His entire six years has been more like the Sopranos than the West Wing.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:22 amShane et al: Here are just a few of the many websites dedicated to drafting Al Gore: http://www.draftgore.com and http://www.draftgore2008.com. Literally, they are springing up daily and after today (and yesterday’s declaration of war against the american people) there will be many, many more….
March 21st, 2007 at 10:24 amAny FBI here on the site?
March 21st, 2007 at 10:25 amPlease collect extensive information on Jakers, mandolin, and other trolls and publish it, since they don’t seem to care about their right to privacy.
#12 Contracting Fraud in Iraq??? Let’s get to the bottom of where that money is going….hmmm….Haliburton moves Headquarters last week to Dubai…..Bush buys mega parcel in foreign country….hmmm…I think we can follow those money trails. The people can no longer trust this WH and anything they say.
Comment by veritas — March 21, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Not surprisingly, exiled nazis preferred South American countries to evade the action of the justice. There exists a huge presence of fascists in some regions there. And, surprise, surprise, Paraguay has been ruled for decades by fascists military dictators (altough this is changing a little bit lately). No wonder he feels at home there.
And, the water reserves at the frontier of the three countries are a source of future speculation, and the frontier zone itself is a meeting point for world economic thugs, thanks to its lax rule of law. Think of Dubai, but in South America.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:25 amDo they realize that a vast majority of americans KNOW that this document was drawn up by PNAC well in advance of 9/11??
Comment by veritas — March 21, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Can you provide a link to this, so I can “Know” it as well?
March 21st, 2007 at 10:27 am#16 BNF ~ Jeez that was a scary good imitation~!
March 21st, 2007 at 10:28 amA similar scene played out simultaneously at another police station in the town, said police Capt. Hussein al-Jaburi. It was the fifth police station in the town to be destroyed by Sunni extremists in two weeks, he said, leaving just three standing.
How soon before Our Lady of the Concentration Camps tells us this guy doesn’t exist.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:30 amOh, I see Roger_Roger, Patrick1, and howsad are posting on another thread, so they must also be looking at this thread. I’ll post again, just in case they missed it…
March 21st, 2007 at 10:32 amCan the likes of Jake, firehead, flacco, et al., please explain to me what the harm would be in answering while under oath?
Discussing while not under oath should really be easy to defend, so I patiently await their answer
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — March 21, 2007 @ 10:10 am
While I think you are a complete moron, I guess it is true that even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion.
Is anyone else surprised that Gore feels he is “above the rules”? Sounds like someone else we all know….
March 21st, 2007 at 10:33 amFASCISM!!!
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists
One of the most stupid things I have to read, frequently, is the accusations of right wingers towards progressives of being fascists or nazists.
Dont these stupids know that those ARE regimes born from the RIGHT?
March 21st, 2007 at 10:41 am#60 In short, hacker bob, you don’t like Gore because you think he’s an elitist know-it-all, no matter what says or does, isn’t? Kinda irrational.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:44 am#61 Or calling every slightly progressive idea “Communist”, and then don’t know what are the set of concepts that define “Communism”, or the difference with “Socialism”… or even with the Democrat party in their country. Frankly, the trolls tend to be too unidimensional here, and not very bright.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:47 amKinda irrational.
Comment by Evil Spaniard
Fanatic.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:49 amComment by Evil Spaniard — March 21, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Actually, I do not like Gore because he has shown himself to be an elitist know-it-all and a supporter of censorship.
He does not practice what he preaches until called to task on it.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:49 amJuan C,
No they don’t. Thats what makes it so sad. These people have no grasp of history, especially the history of megalomaniacs that hijack otherwise decent countries and establish a scorched earth policy in the name of nationalism, and there are plenty of idiots to assist out there.
Sheep.
March 21st, 2007 at 10:51 amFanatic.
Comment by Juan C — March 21, 2007 @ 10:49 am
How so?
March 21st, 2007 at 10:51 amCan you provide a link to this, so I can “Know†it as well?
Comment by hacker bob
Actually, I do not like Gore because he has shown himself to be an elitist know-it-all and a supporter of censorship.
Comment by hacker bob
Can you provide a link that shows that Gore is an elitist know-it-all. Or do you just “know” this?
March 21st, 2007 at 10:56 amHow so?
Comment by hacker bob
Your opinions are based on what people makes you feel. You cant stand Al Gore, therefore his ideas must be thrash. I cant stand GWB because he invaded two countries and has produced the deaths of thousands of hundreds of civilians. Personally, I think he is a moron and a colorful ignorant, but that doesnt get in my way of judging people (or at least I try not to)
March 21st, 2007 at 10:57 amTom DeLay is a philanderer?
Imagine that.
Um, on second thought……don’t.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:00 amTo the heart of the question at hand.
Would anyone try to make the case that it is a good thing to have politics and political influence inserted into our legal system?
Is it OK or not to have U.S. Attorneys making decisions to prosecute or not based on their legal training and ethics, but instead on the political machinations of the party in power?
Go ahead. Make the case.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amNormal war time soldier chivalry.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
March 21st, 2007 at 11:03 amBut hey, is still “the land of the free†and “all the countries in the world envy us†nation. Yeah, right.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — March 21, 2007 @ 9:28 am
Absolutely. Unless you check with Immigration and report back that everyone on the waiting lists to get into this country have withdrawn their applications and there have been no illegal border crossings in the last week. You go check, we’ll wait. (Looking for a perfect country? We live in a world of human beings who all make mistakes. The U.S. will never be perfect, so feel free to move to any country that you feel is better.)
PLC,
I heard that some democratic society that used court supervision over their law enforcement. It actually worked well. I can’t seem to remember what happened to that country though.
Comment by dlet — March 21, 2007 @ 9:56 am
What happened to that country was that certain groups began using the courts, not for supervision of law enforcement, but to change laws to suit the immoral interests of those groups. However, the population became aware of what those groups were doing and is now trying to reverse the damage. Even with the damage, however it is still the best country in which to live and will only get better if the reversal is successful.
Could Gore’s appearance and testimony today further secure his probability of having the respect and attention of the american people to make him the infamous “dark horse†in this race? Time will tell….
Comment by veritas — March 21, 2007 @ 10:02 am
No.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:17 am#71- Have the law of the land built around a political party’s venue? That, in itself, is the very basis of a true and genuine fascist regime.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:18 amDrug Use
Gore has long admitted that he smoked pot, both during his stint in Vietnam and for a “brief while” after his return. He claims that it was only a few times.
Here again he seems to be lying. Former drug buddies of Gore’s have come forward to say that he was a heavy smoker, right up until his first run for Congress in 1976. In college, Gore was said to be hanging out in the basement of his dorm, getting high and watching TV most of the time. After his return from Vietnam, friends such as John Warnecke say that got high with Gore as often as 3 or 4 times a week, listening to Grateful Dead albums and talking about what they would do if they were president. “Al Gore stoned was a mix of expansiveness, melancholy and paranoia,” Warnecke said.
convicted cocaine smuggler Jose Cabrera
Howard Glicken, who admitted soliciting and laundering foreign campaign contributions
Franklin Haney, indicted for illegal campaign contributions
Gore doesn’t follow his own advice when it comes to energy consumption, either.
In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy, and similar programs exist in Nashville. Utility customers who pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour can take a big step toward a carbon-neutral lifestyle.
But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use wind energy in either of his large residences, reveals Schweizer, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution.
Gore claims to be environmentally friendly, but he hasn’t dumped his family’s large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum. As executor of his family’s trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock, while Oxy has been beset by controversy over oil drilling in ecologically sensitive areas.
Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property. Tennessee has cited the company for contaminating the nearby Caney Fork River with quantities of barium, iron and zinc.
Just Google Gore Hypocrisy and all these can be found. Very simply, he is a firm believer in “do as I say, not as I do, because I am Al Gore and I am above the rest of you.”
March 21st, 2007 at 11:22 amThe U.S. will never be perfect, so feel free to move to any country that you feel is better.
Comment by CC
Unless that country is Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Mexico, Uruguay, Japan, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Panama, Nicaragua, Cuba (and I could go on and on), you know countries that US has invaded.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:23 amPssst, bob. I dont care about Gore. I just think it is good that someone in some higher position promotes environmental issues.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:25 amPssst, bob. I dont care about Gore. I just think it is good that someone in some higher position promotes environmental issues.
Comment by Juan C
My feelings, too, Juan. :)
March 21st, 2007 at 11:29 amWe live in a world of human beings who all make mistakes. The U.S. will never be perfect, so feel free to move to any country that you feel is better.
I guess that if you make the same mistake 180+ times, people would star to call you an idiot, unless you do it on purpose. If US has made over than 180 landings in foreign countries is that just a mistake or purposefully done? If the US has 700+ foregin military bases around the world, thats also a mistake or a really well thought plan to achieve military and economic global domination?
Now, the real problem is for the citizens that live OUTSIDE the US, can you get it?
March 21st, 2007 at 11:33 amMy feelings, too, Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey
And as I wrote that, I was thinking what would Zoo say? ;)
March 21st, 2007 at 11:34 amGood day everybody.
No they don’t. Thats what makes it so sad. These people have no grasp of history, especially the history of megalomaniacs that hijack otherwise decent countries and establish a scorched earth policy in the name of nationalism, and there are plenty of idiots to assist out there.
Sheep.
Comment by Rocks911 — March 21, 2007 @ 10:51 am
I think you meant “otherwise decent countries controlled by ruthless, murdering dictators who support terrorists that attack our country.
Pssst, bob. I dont care about Gore. I just think it is good that someone in some higher position promotes environmental issues.
Comment by Juan C
My feelings, too, Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey — March 21, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Unlike this fawning post? “Just watched a clip of Gore’s appearance and the level of respect and awe is so obvious with the over-crowded hearing room and the faces of the participants….wow!
Comment by veritas — March 21, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Off-topic: I’m a little surprised that TP doesn’t have a headline about the terrorists that used little kids in a car as a decoy to get through a checkpoint. Made it through, got out of the car and blew it up with the kids inside. These are the poor, defenseless practioners of the “religion of peace?” Does Allah condone this? Perhaps I just missed the discussion of this on TP?
March 21st, 2007 at 11:45 amJust Google Gore Hypocrisy and all these can be found. Very simply, he is a firm believer in “do as I say, not as I do, because I am Al Gore and I am above the rest of you.â€
Comment by hacker bob
How indutrious and thorough of you. I can google too and find things to debunk your findings.
So what has this lesson taught us? You choose to “know” Gore is an elitist. Hold yorself up the the standards you impose upon others.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:47 amCC,
Since this the open thread, copy a couple paragraphs of the article and provide a link. No need to be snide.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:49 amIf the US has 700+ foregin military bases around the world, thats also a mistake or a really well thought plan to achieve military and economic global domination?
Now, the real problem is for the citizens that live OUTSIDE the US, can you get it?
Comment by Juan C — March 21, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Domination? No, it is to prevent Hitlers, Stalins, and Husseins from taking over. The U.S. doesn’t attack without provocation. And no, it isn’t always after a dictator has invaded a good portion of a continent. Sometimes it is because they aid those that attack us. And show me a leader we have gone after that was a good, kind, loving man who just happened to want a different economic system than us. One who didn’t export terrorism, maintain control by killing his own people, fund his country on drug money etc. It’s entirely possible that I’ve missed some and I want to be well informed. And yes, with all it’s faults, the U.S. is still the greatest country in which to live.
March 21st, 2007 at 11:56 am#70 zooey
Tom DeLay is a philanderer?
Comment by Zooey — March 21, 2007 @ 11:0
Just thinking of being in a hot tub with Delay is enough to cause a physical reaction that would require the draining and disinfecting of the tub – hot vomit! OMG ugh!
March 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pmSorry, Marie. :P
March 21st, 2007 at 12:33 pmhacker bob, why so concerned over alleged hypocracy in Gore, yet not a word about alleged hypocracy in Bush?
Aren’t you being a bit hypocritical?
You say you can’t speak out against your Commander-in-Chief. Isn’t that censorship?
Your selective condemnation brands you as a Bush supporter, with all the collective guilt that comes along with it.
March 21st, 2007 at 12:56 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — March 21, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
You must have missed the post I made the other day to zooey about my feelings related to Bush and some of the current policies. Too bad. If I can find the post, I’ll link it for you.
there you go.
But I am glad you can admit to Gore’s hypocracy.
March 21st, 2007 at 1:03 pmBut I am glad you can admit to Gore’s hypocracy.
Comment by hacker bob
Your selective fact finding and selective reading skills still won’t make Gore the person you choose to believe he is.
BnF said “alleged hypocracy”. Explain how that is admitting to it.
March 21st, 2007 at 1:14 pmIt’s sounding like Exley has hijacked hacker bob’s name.
March 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmBut hey, is still “the land of the free†and “all the countries in the world envy us†nation. Yeah, right.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — March 21, 2007 @ 9:28 am
Absolutely. Unless you check with Immigration and report back that everyone on the waiting lists to get into this country have withdrawn their applications and there have been no illegal border crossings in the last week. You go check, we’ll wait. (Looking for a perfect country? We live in a world of human beings who all make mistakes. The U.S. will never be perfect, so feel free to move to any country that you feel is better.)
Comment by CC — March 21, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Following your standards, my country has nothing to envy to the USA. A lot of people want to come here to live better or for vacation. And, I don’t need to move to yours to feel more free. In fact, if I moved to your country, I’ll feel far less free. The approach of the neocons of “my way or the highway” can’t be more phony, and farthest from real freedom.
I don’t look for a perfect country, but simply for a country whose GOP isn’t so hypocrital as yours actually. You claim your country is the best in the world? Put up or shut up! Stop tortures, circumventing law, international treaties, acting like a drunk cowboy. Real me talk the talk and walk the walk.
March 21st, 2007 at 1:49 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — March 21, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Nope, this is hacker bob, the one and only.
So, BnF, have anything to say about your error in post #87?
March 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pmComment by dlet — March 21, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
If I tell you that you need to drive a Hybrid vehicle, then I drive around in a Cadillac, what would that make me?
March 21st, 2007 at 1:57 pmSo, hacker bob, have anything to say about your error in post #88?
March 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pmIf I tell you that you need to drive a Hybrid vehicle, then I drive around in a Cadillac, what would that make me?
Comment by hacker bob
A Cadillac owner?
March 21st, 2007 at 2:04 pmDomination? No, it is to prevent Hitlers, Stalins, and Husseins from taking over.
Curiously, the USA has been doing the same since a good couple years before Hitler, Stalin or Hussein came to power. Ask Mexico, Panama (country that was a province of Colombia before the USA decided that it suited more to rob the land to Colombia to protect its precious chanel), Puerto Rico, Cuba, Philippines and a couple other countries, specially in Center and South America. What year was the one of the formulation of the Munroe doctrine? 1923? The year that decided that the only colonist power in America should be the USA. I see, I see, freedom, yeah right.
And, wasn’t Saddam Hussein a dictator planted by the USA? Oooohhh, here goes the “spreading freedom” talking point… how sad.
The U.S. doesn’t attack without provocation.
Tomkin and Maine are two examples who come to mind, among others.
And no, it isn’t always after a dictator has invaded a good portion of a continent.
As the USA robbing California, Texas, Panama, Puerto Rico, Cuba or the Philippines to other countries?
Sometimes it is because they aid those that attack us.
Nice try, but Saddam was against muslim extremism, because he knew that he was in the crosshair of islamists for being secularist.
And show me a leader we have gone after that was a good, kind, loving man who just happened to want a different economic system than us.
Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez (ok, he’s nuts, but I don’t remember any phisical attack to the USA pryor to the campaings to destabilice his government, and, he was ELECTED, before you draw the card of the Evil South American Dictator), or Lula, in Brazil. Confess it, the Repugs of the USA are AFFRAID seeing the increasing turn to the left and self sufficiency of the countries in South America, your alleged backyard.
One who didn’t export terrorism, maintain control by killing his own people, fund his country on drug money etc.
Escuela de las Americas. JFK, MLK. Iran-Contra.
It’s entirely possible that I’ve missed some and I want to be well informed.
No, you provided enough rope for your own hanging.
And yes, with all it’s faults, the U.S. is still the greatest country in which to live.
Comment by CC — March 21, 2007 @ 11:56 am
I still doubt it in a great measure. But hey, happy brainwashing with koolaid.
March 21st, 2007 at 2:10 pm#93 Correction, the year of the Munroe doctrine was 1823, not 1923.
March 21st, 2007 at 2:11 pmEvil Spaniard,
Heh. :D
March 21st, 2007 at 2:25 pmSo, hacker bob, have anything to say about your error in post #88?
Comment by dlet — March 21, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
I’ll give you that one. BnF said “alleged”. Good thing the teacher/lawyer has you there to cover for him.
A Cadillac owner?
Comment by dlet — March 21, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Wrong answer. Aren’t you the one that said earlier ” Hold yourself up the standards you impose upon others.”
March 21st, 2007 at 2:29 pmApparently, Al Gore does not feel that way. That is why I call him a hypocrite. BTW, If Gore has been beating his drum about GW since College, why did he wait until recently to make all these changes to his homes?
hacker bob,
March 21st, 2007 at 2:33 pmJoking aside about the cadillac thing. Are you saying that Gore owns a Cadillac or that he uses them when he travels with his entourage and many people pile in?
Comment by dlet — March 21, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
All joking aside. When I was watching AIT over the weekend, in a scene when Gore was on his farm, driving a vehicle that appeared to be a Cadillac. Then a scene or two later, he was talking about the importance of driving a Hybrid vehicle.
Listen, I am known to be a big Anti-Gore person. I have been ever since the PMRC days. I am not a Global Warming denier. I am unsure the actual effects of humans, therefore I am researching more about it. Actually, I am looking for the slideshow he uses so I can evaluate some of the charts.
March 21st, 2007 at 2:41 pmI am known to be a big Anti-Gore person. I have been ever since the PMRC days.
Comment by hacker bob(whose actually served, unlike a certain few chickenhawks) — March 21, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
I am known to be a big Pro-Gore person. But regarding the PMRC days, hell robert, I was there right along side of ya! Pissed me off to actually have celebrities come in and defend their free speech. Dee Snider and Zappa were great, but when John Denver came in…absolutely classic!
March 21st, 2007 at 2:57 pmbut to the defense of the record industry, putting that little “parental advisory” sticker on albums did more to generate sales then any other publicity.
just saying…..
Comment by DRxJ — March 21, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
The “little black sticker” is one thing, there was some stuff they were actually trying to outlaw, totally different.
I do agree that Dee, Frank, and John did great. Funny, my oldest and I talked about this last night. I pointed out how “champions” come from unlikely places.
BTW, thanks for the add on to my moniker.
March 21st, 2007 at 3:08 pmGore is to trolls as Dennis Wilson was to Charlie and “the Family”
March 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmRoll Call for “Ghost Soldiers” is done by READING OFF THE NAMES FROM THE GRAVESTONES IN THE CEMETERY!!!!!
March 21st, 2007 at 4:57 pmDebra Yang—-ANOTHER VICTIM OF THE PROSECUTORIAL PURGE OF Bushland Uber Allies FASCIST-NAZI TACTICS!!!!!
NO MORE BUILDING 18s’ LIKE AT Walter Reed FOR OUR WODED WARRIORS—-WHAT A DISGRACEFUL STATE OF AFFAIRS IT TOOK TO START THE BALL ROLLING TOWARDS REFORM!!!!!
THIS MEANS THAT THE FBI IS GUILTY OF IDENTITY THEFT AND MUST BE ACCORDINGLY CHARGED, ALONG WITH THE CRIMINAL HEAD Robert Mueller and HIS BOSS GONZO, WHO EVEN IF HE STEPS DOWN, IS STILL A CRIMINAL AND MUST FACE PROSECUTION FOR IDENTITY THEFT, ALONG WITH ALL THOSE WHO AUTHORIZED THESE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES!!!!! CHIMPya, FRANKENCheney, ET CETERA AD NAUSEUM!!!!!
THIS “ABJECT DENIAL” IS THE RESULT OF A CAREFULLY ORCHESTRATED CAMPAIGN OF PROPAGANDA AND INTIMIDATION BY CHIMPya, FRANKENCheney and Bushland Uber Allies and ITS FASCIST-NAZI TACTICS TO STIFLE CRITICISM, BLUNT AND DEFLECT IT FROM GETTING TO THE IN-HUMANE TREATMENT OF THESE REFUGEES AND Bushland Uber Allies TACTIT APPROVAL OF AND UNWILLINGNESS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS DISGRACEFUL “INCONVENIENT TRUTH”!!!!!
PRESSING Bushland Uber Allies TO AGGRESSIVELY PROSECUTE CONTRACTING FRAUD IS ASKING THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR LIFELINES AND LIFEBLOOD—-POCKETING THEIR ILL-GOTTEN GAINS THROUGH GRAFT, CORRUPTION AND SKIMMING OFF THESE CONTRACTORS’ KICKBACKS!!!!! HAH!!!!!
JUST LIKE CHIMPya’s EMPTY PROMISES FOR NEW ORLEANS—-ALL TALK AND NO ACTION WHATSOEVER!!!!!
CHOPPER, CHOPPER IN THE AIR
CHOPPER, CHOPPER. MISSILE THERE!!!!!
CHOPPER, CHOPPER SITTING DUCK
CHOPPER, CHOPPER, “O GAWD JESUS F*CK!!!!!”
THAT LAMPREY/HAGFISH EXCREABLE CREEP DeLay DIDN’T MENTION THAT HE WAS PHILANDERING WITH MEN IN AND OUT OF THE HOT TUB—–THE PERVERTED QUEER repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm Tom DeLay, THIEF, LIAR, SCUM, VIPEROUS UNDERHANDED PIECE OF HYENA-SHIT!!!!!
Comment by hacker bob — March 21, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
You’re accusing me of having made an as yet unspecified error. Your accusation is baseless and appears to be a bald-faced attempt at making yourself look good at my expense.
Something is up with you, and it isn’t good.
March 21st, 2007 at 7:21 pmComment by hacker bob — March 21, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Got a link? I’d like to see the original source, if you don’t mind.
But, before I read the original source, I’d like to know what you think they were trying to outlaw.
March 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — March 21, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
You implied that I never speak out about Bush. I showed you where I have.
You say something is up with me, then tell me what it is. After all, you have the supernatural power to “see behind the mask”.
March 21st, 2007 at 8:33 pmComment by hacker bob — March 21, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
What I sensed from you today was….disconcerting. I drew a Rune. Wyrd. This is the blank Rune, and not part of the ancient Celtic alphabet. Yet it does give some insight:
Karma always returns in kind. In doing so, it forces us to look at ourselves. The lessons can be hard, or rewarding.
But, for whatever reasons, to quote a movie, “I got a bad feeling about this.” Sorry I can’t give you more…I’ve never claimed omniscience.
Do you have a link to support your allegations against Gore? I’d like to look it up.
March 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 amDomination? No, it is to prevent Hitlers, Stalins, and Husseins from taking over.
Curiously, the USA has been doing the same since a good couple years before Hitler, Stalin or Hussein came to power. Ask Mexico, Panama (country that was a province of Colombia before the USA decided that it suited more to rob the land to Colombia to protect its precious chanel), Puerto Rico, Cuba, Philippines and a couple other countries, specially in Center and South America. What year was the one of the formulation of the Munroe doctrine? 1923? The year that decided that the only colonist power in America should be the USA. I see, I see, freedom, yeah right.
Obviously, this isn’t the forum to adequately address all that you cited in detail. Fortunately, several can be explained as lands that Spain lost in the Spanish American War, denying Spain the right to try to regain lands that had won their freedom from Spain, Panama declaring its independence from Columbia (the U.S. helped them but didn’t take them over). America didn’t want Europeans trying to expand their influence in South America. And being a good liberal, you must be against imperialism by your own country as well as by the U.S.
And, wasn’t Saddam Hussein a dictator planted by the USA? Oooohhh, here goes the “spreading freedom†talking point… how sad.
Sometimes you don’t know who you can trust. Occasionally, you try to choose the lesser of two evils and you get burned.
The U.S. doesn’t attack without provocation.
Tomkin and Maine are two examples who come to mind, among others.
I said “without provocation”. Eliminates Gulf of Tonkin. I may have to give you the Maine. That is uncertain, though and is certainly not enough to show a pattern of behavior. Again, though, a loss by Spain and I’m not very knowledgeable about the subject, but I seem to remember reading several times that many in the U.S. were angry over Spanish atrocities in Cuba.
And no, it isn’t always after a dictator has invaded a good portion of a continent.
As the USA robbing California, Texas, Panama, Puerto Rico, Cuba or the Philippines to other countries?
California and Texas: Aquired after Spain and then Mexico either mistreated the American citizens that they encouraged to move there or failed to provide protection to them. The others all liberated from Spain. All are free and with the exception of Puerto Rico, indepedent of the U.S.
Sometimes it is because they aid those that attack us.
Nice try, but Saddam was against muslim extremism, because he knew that he was in the crosshair of islamists for being secularist.
Saddam played both sides. He was actually secular, though he trotted out Mohammed when it suited his purpose. He supported terrorists that attacked U.S. interests.
And show me a leader we have gone after that was a good, kind, loving man who just happened to want a different economic system than us.
Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez (ok, he’s nuts, but I don’t remember any phisical attack to the USA pryor to the campaings to destabilice his government, and, he was ELECTED, before you draw the card of the Evil South American Dictator), or Lula, in Brazil. Confess it, the Repugs of the USA are AFFRAID seeing the increasing turn to the left and self sufficiency of the countries in South America, your alleged backyard.
I think you missed the adjectives in my original post. None of these men or situations fit. And yes, were are concerned with the status of countries in South America. Unrest there always has an effect on the U.S. as the number of people fleeing their impoverished, and, in some cases opressive countries to come here. Must be a pretty good place to be since so many want to come here. We are happy when any country is self sufficient. We give aid directly and indirectly to many countries, so it’s always good for us when countries don’t require a piece of our economic prosperity. By the same token, we expect others not to speak badly of the U.S. out of jealousy because of our economic prosperity.
One who didn’t export terrorism, maintain control by killing his own people, fund his country on drug money etc.
Escuela de las Americas. JFK, MLK. Iran-Contra.
Not sure what your point is here, since my statement here was a part of the previous one.
It’s entirely possible that I’ve missed some and I want to be well informed.
No, you provided enough rope for your own hanging.
Also, not sure what your point is.
And yes, with all it’s faults, the U.S. is still the greatest country in which to live.
Comment by CC — March 21, 2007 @ 11:56 am
I still doubt it in a great measure. But hey, happy brainwashing with koolaid.
I see this koolaid remark frequently from liberals. Didn’t happen in the U.S. They had to take their cult where they felt more comfortable.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — March 21, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
March 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — March 22, 2007 @ 12:44 am
You do not remember the “porn rock” Senate hearings? You know, the panel that Gore headed? It is a matter of public record. Now, remember what censorship means. Tell me that Gore was not attempting censor music.
Here is the funniest part of the whole thing. Gore had a real hard-on for music about sex and drugs. Look at some the bands playing at Live Earth this summer:
Red Hot Chili Peppers-Sexual Content
Snoop Dogg-Sex, drugs, violence
Lenny Kravitz-sexual content
Duran Duran-sexual content
Black Eyed Peas-sexual content
Fall Out Boy-sexual content
Keane-sexual content, racial overtones
According to the PMRC decency guidelines and Al’s testimony, none of this music would have been allowed any public broadcast time. But now that it is convenient for him, he can put aside his morality patrol for a day.
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:06 amNo, I do not remember the “Porn Rock” Senate hearings. There was a time during my life during which I found it necessary to isolate myself from current events.
Please provide a link. For all I know, you’re taking things out of context.
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 amAfter a bit of quick research, I found that the Parents Music Resource Center has been accused of advocating censorship of music, yet no solid evidence that that was its position.
It appears that the Parents Music Resource Center was pushing for labels on music, similar to the ratings on movies. The censorship label was applied in reaction to that policy.
Unless you can show something by the Parents Music Resource Center showing they actually advocated censorship, all you’re doing is repeating someone else’s talking points, and not reflecting their true goals.
Music labeling, just as movie labeling, is not censorship, it is informing the consuming public of the contents of a product before purchase.
Thus far as I can see, your dislike of Gore is misplaced.
March 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 am