Bush to keep Gitmo open to 2009.
By on Mar 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Bush to keep Gitmo open to 2009.
“The U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay will likely remain open for the rest of George W. Bush’s presidency, because it will take time to conduct the legal proceedings of the detainees there, the White House said on Friday.”
From today’s press briefing:
Q: So, realistically, are you saying that Guantanamo Bay will not be shut down before the end of his presidency?
SNOW: I doubt it, no. I don’t think it will.
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The sooner we impeach him, the sooner it will close.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pmI say we keep it open until we can put Bush and Cheney in there and let them have the treatment they deserve
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pmThat can be his new retreat after he’s impeached and charged with war crimes.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:12 pmneither will be with us that long
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmSo when is the Red Cross or anyone going to be allowed to talk with the prisoners?
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmWow, who would have guessed?
Everybody but me and Jake.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmSlight correction: the headline should read “Bush to keep Gitmo open to 2009″ not “through 2009″. The latter implies a time period encompassing the enitire year, edning on Dec 31, 2009. Bush’s presidency will mercifully end almost twelve months earlier than that, unless he gets impeached and removed first.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmHey, George, how’s Cheney’s blot clot? -Dead, yet? And, how’s that drinking problem of yours coming along? What’s that? You want another stiff one, straight up? Sure thing, George.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmBush wants it open because he likes playing God with the prisoners there. Seriously. He is a sick little f*ck.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmWe need to let these Islamists go home so the can give their wives a good Koranic beating.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pmTypical liberal media spin. Guantanomo is controlled by Cuba (which is why American laws like habeas corpus or a prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment don’t apply there), so Bush doesn’t have any say in whether Gitmo closes or not.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmCrump’s Bro ~
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmya beat me 2 it.
Oops, I forgot that the Gitmo being controlled by Cuba talking point is no longer valid. My bad. Bush is the best!
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmI saw close Gitmo and feed the Jihadis there to the sharks to piss you Lefties off!
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmI like how they slipped “legal proceedings” into that statement.
I guess it depends on what you mean by “legal”.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmHey, Jake buddy, you’re wrong. Guantanamo Bay is a US Naval Base, controlled by the US Military. For a full history of it, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmIs it really your point that somehow Castro controls what the US military is doing at Gitmo? Please.
Gates wanted to close Gitmo right away, when he became Defense Secretary.
Gates says Gitmo is causing too much damage for us overseas, with the torture and the kangaroo court tribunals.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmso Bush doesn’t have any say in whether Gitmo closes or not.
Comment by Jake
Inhofe Scale reading: 103
Wow that’s the first one ever over 100. Good job.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm#11 WTF? Is this the fake Jake trying to act even stupider than the real one?
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmOh, I forgot — Gitmo is “controlled by Cuba”. That explains why we needed to ask Fidel’s permission to house prisoners there. And why, even though George Bush would love to close the place, he can’t because Fidel’s brother (Dwayne, I think) insists that it stay open.
So the President’s hands are tied on this one, people. It’s all up to Castro’s brother and he says “No way, Jose”.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmProud Dem:
Don’t worry about the fake Jakes. Are you going to try for simultaneous impeachment trials, because if you only get rid of Bush, then President Cheney will simply keep Gitmo open (and maybe send a few key Senators there too ; )
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmThis is symptomatic of the entire state of the administration. They’ve screwed the pooch so thoroughly that their only interest is dragging everything out until Bush beats it out the door in January 2009. After that, it’s someone else’s problem. In fact, the worse the situation is when he leaves the better, because it’s undoubtedly going to be a pile of crap left for the Democrats to clean up. When the Democrats can’t make a silk purse out of this pig’s ear (how many metaphors is that?), the Republicans can squeal about how incompetent the libruls are and by god, you’d better vote real patriots back into power.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pm19
That’s a tall order.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmGeneva Conventions? Remember? The one’s the US helped draft after the fall of Germany?
Is there any wonder that the US is now hated around the world? Thanks a lot!, BushCo. I thought you were business friendly. Alas, all you have done is make it harder for us to do business outside the US. Oh, I remember, unless you are Halliburton or Bechtel, then it’s easier to do business outside the US.
ITMFA now!!! and put an end to the insanity!
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmRudy when President will send many Leftists to Gitmo. Some may get thrown overboard on the way. Hopefully George Soreass and John Tadpoledesta!
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pmProud Dem:
Are you going to try for simultaneous impeachment trials, because if you only get rid of Bush, then President Cheney will simply keep Gitmo open (and maybe send a few key Senators there too ; )
Comment by Jake
Yes Proud Dem, are you personally going for simultaneous impeachment trials? Because Jake thinks you have that kind of power apparently.
Jake…wake up. Time to go to sleep again.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmif you only get rid of Bush, then President Cheney will simply keep Gitmo open (and maybe send a few key Senators there too ; )
Comment by Jake — March 23, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Won’t “President Cheney” need to get permission from Castro’s brother in order to send “a few key Senators” there (after he imposes martial law, presumably)?
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmMarch 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pm
The Bush Admin is in “kill the clock” mode: Stall the troop withdrawal; stonewall congress; “gum up” the DOJ. They’re just ridin’ it out til Jan 2009.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmDid anyone seriously think that this administration was going to shut it down? Especially after how valiantly they have defended it these last few years? I would like to see it closed, too, but even if it was closed, the people there would be moved elsewhere to be tortured, etc. The closing would probably give us a positive boost concerning how other countries view us, but not much because we still wouldn’t be treating prisoners humanely.
In response to #11, I’m not a constitutional scholar, so I don’t know exactly how our laws might or might not apply to Guantanamo. Ethically it doesn’t matter. The reason we have habeas corpus and other civil rights in America is because they are fundamentally a good thing. These things are what got America to the top in the pecking order of civilizations in the first place.
Back to Gitmo. Bush ain’t going to close it. The next president will (probably a Democrat), and it will be a real sign to other nations that we’re going to try to recover some of our lost status due to our ethical lapses (which wouldn’t be the case if Bush closed it). Until then, there’s not really much we can do. Bush isn’t going to be impeached and thrown out of office – the votes simply are not there. Sorry, but we’re going to have to live with Gitmo for a couple more years.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmJesusChrist_GodofWAR ,
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmSAo you want to release terrorists. Smart move!
THIS IS BEYOND A JOKE ………..
IN GERMANY YOU CAN HOLD FOR 3 DAYS WITHOUT CHARGE
IN UK NOW ITS 28 DAYS WITHOUT CHARGE
IN SCOTLAND YOU MUST PROCEED TO COURT IN 28 DAYS OF YOUR FREE
THIS IS A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE FOR 390 INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES
SHAME ON YOU AMERICAN PEOPLE GO ROT IN HELL YOU SYCOPATHS
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pmProud Dem:
I meant “you” as in the Party leaders referred to as “we” in post # 1.
KRank:
That was the fake Jake at 4:23 pm and 4:27 pm.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmSo let me see if I got this right. Dummy is dumb enough to admit (by letting them languish its as good as an admission) the only reason all of these folks are in proson iin Cuba is really only a political stunt to make him look tough? After 2009 are they all inncoent? “Oh wow man, sorry ’bout that. My bad homie. Go home.”
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmI have never condoned their being there in the first place, but what a moron
Cuba should attack Guantanamo
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmBen B:
How about as a “real sign to other nations that we’re going to try to recover some of our lost status due to our ethical lapses” said Democrat invite all these peace-loving, non-terrorists over to the White House for a slumber party while she’s at it?
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmit seems to me that the trolls in here are on some sort of whitehouse job creation scheme where they get $40 a week for being complete arseholes
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmBen B,
“and it will be a real sign to other nations that we’re going to try to recover some of our lost status due ”
Like China, Russia, Iran, Saudii Arabia, Syria, Cuba and India.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmAll great examples to the globe!
It’s just like the ReichWingNuts and ChristoFascists to argue that Gitmo is filled with terrorists. The truth is something they’ll never grasp. All they know are sound bites, Rove’s d*ck, and fear, fear, fear.
We have a legal system for all the right and good reasons. Use it effectively and there’s no need for Gitmo.
Bumble your way into the hot sands of a place that had nothing to do with 9/11, build Gitmo, render the wrong folks off the streets of Europe and this is what you get: Complete and Utter Insanity
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmanybody who aggrees with bush should lock themselfs in a toilet for 5 years with no windows
dont do to others what you would like not done to yourselfs
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pm“SHAME ON YOU AMERICAN PEOPLE GO ROT IN HELL YOU SYCOPATHS
Comment by Tobey Tall — March 23, 2007 @ 4:43 pm”
Careful Tobey……
If you have not noticed, many Americans are trying to fight this…. In fact, they have been fighting it from the start.
It is a small faction of Americans that LIKE this action.
Please try not to include ALL Americans into that type of statement.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmTobey Tall,
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmYeah Cuba the #1 Human Rights paradise!
Since when has Bush been concerned about “the legal procedings” of the people he has been incarcerating there? They have been imprisoned there with no charges, no lawyers, no trials. Isn’t this what we’re fighting against?
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmhttp://www.cageprisoners.com/index.php
read this website and the tears will flow
look at their faces, read their stories
If Bush really loved America so much he would go to jail for his love of America . ……… But hes chickenshit
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmThe person being called fake jake and the real jake is fake jake v2.0. fake jake v3.0 should be up and running within minutes, so don’t let fake jake one interupt your “discussion” with fake jake two. or is that three. Oh man oh man, we better get IT out here. I think our fake jakes ar ereplicating themselves into one giant mass of dark matter. If it coes within 15 feet of anti-matter, we could get over run with fake jakes.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmI never understood the whole “Gitmo isn’t under the Constitution” argument. It seems to me that if we aren’t going to take responsibility for it, then by default, Cuba is supposed too. So I always wonder why some attorney didn’t go into a Cuban court and request that they protect the ineligible rights of the detainees?
Also, I don’t understand why a Democratic Congress would agree to continue funding the prison at Gitmo. It would seem to me that if Congress refuses to fund it, it would have to close.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmI really wish the narrative based on which party hates its country more than the other would cease. It’s as bogus as it is diverting.
I suggest that the narrative be reframed to be who loves its country more. That would be a more positive approach and would benefit the debate instead of always dragging it through the sewer.
Also, I would like to recommend that we all stipulate the following:
- Neither party is working with or supporting the terrorists
- Neither party does not support our fellow citizens in the military
- No American hates their country
By acknowledging those facts . (granted there are always whack-jobs but their numbers are so small that statistically they are irrelevant) and removing the negative and largely false accusations from the debates the level and quality of debate would increase exponentially.
Just some thoughts.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmhttp://www.cageprisoners.com/prisoners.php?location=US
look at the Americans in Guantanamo 20 of them
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmYeah Cuba the #1 Human Rights paradise!
Comment by Rodan
I wasn’t good to begin with but don’t you find it troubling that Gitmo makes the island more sadistic and reprehensible as to human rights than it was before.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmAs my detective bureau looks deeper into the matter, I learn more about Jake every day:
Jake’s career is what made him what he is today.
He worked as a crash dummy for the NASA Rocket Sled program.
After each run they would scrape his brains off of the base of the sled into a bucket, turn him upside down, put a funnel into each nostril and pour them back in.
He still sloshes when he nods or shakes his head.
Every once in a while, the air relief valve at the back of his head malfunctions and a little grey matter drips out. Of late, no one notices any difference when that occurs.
Jake’s golden retriever has entered some posts when he (Jake, not the dog) passes out in a stupor. On those occasions, the posts seem more rational, hence the apparent schizoid behavior.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 pm#36, I’m not saying we coddle these guys, I’m just saying we shouldn’t be torturing them. I personally don’t like it when other people are in pain – regardless of what they’ve done. I do see the need to imprison people in order to keep more people from being harmed, but bringing them torture to the point of killing some of them is beyond the bounds of acceptable human behavior. That’s gotta stop.
#38, we should be leading by example. We kinda look hypocritical when we tell Saudi not to torture people when there are pretty major incidences of it happening by Americans. And again, it’s not about looking good to other nations, it’s about just plain not torturing people. The thing about other nations viewing us more favorably is a side effect.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmSorry again
I should not tar everybody with Bush
apologies again
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmTobey Tall,
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmNo tears from my eyes. I think those Islamic scumbags should be killed.
Can you explain for me the Left’s support of Islam?
it seems to me that the trolls in here are on some sort of whitehouse job creation scheme where they get $40 a week for being complete arseholes
Comment by Tobey Tall — March 23, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
If they’re getting merit pay for the effectiveness of their arseholishness, they are criminally underpaid.
That was the fake Jake at 4:23 pm and 4:27 pm.
Comment by Jake — March 23, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
It’s so hard to tell the difference. Absurdity like yours must be very difficult to parody. Easy to imitate, but difficult to parody.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmIt really ruins it for the rest of us when an imposter poses as Jake. Serious posters want the real Jake only. That way we know it is the real Jake when we say nasty and insulting things to him.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmFake Jakes, stop it.
Clearly all of the people being held at Gitmo are terrorists; that’s why we have them there, without proof, torturing them constantly so they say shit like “I assassinated JFK” or “I murdered Princess Diana”. And that’s why of all the people we’ve released so far they’ve all been convicted of terrorism, and never convicted of some bogus visa immigration charge.
Yes, they are terrorists alright. How do I know? Because Fox News and President Bush tell me so, and they would never lie to or mislead the American people about anything.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pm#49- I think the same can be said for our country. We’re not exactly the shining beacon of liberty and freedom anymore, ourselves.
March 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmBen B,
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pmI don’t want to torture them. Just feed to the sharks!
Can you explain for me the Left’s support of Islam?
Comment by Rodan
Rodan the Crusader. Saving Christians against the evil religions of the world one at a time.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pm#41,
Your argument is false. We are either the United States of America or we are not. There is only one government and one military and therefore the actions of those entities are the responsibility of ALL Americans.
That is our structure. That is what “United” means. It does not mean that we are “United” when it’s things are good but segregated when things are bad.
And as far as a foreigner labeling us psychopaths, that is not outlandish or even unwarranted. How would you describe the USA currently if you were looking at our current actions and activities from the outside?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pm- Neither party does not support our fellow citizens in the military
Comment by Tuber
Sorry have to disagree with you there.
As a veteran and with family and friends that have to deal with the deplorable conditions in the miltary health system, I can with full conviction say that ANYONE that supports Bush after knowing how he and his supplicants are treating the wounded and disabled vets do NOT support the troops.
It boggles the mind that anyone could ever argue that they do in light of recient revelations.
If you carry water for Bush, you have already said F*CK YOU to the troops.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pm“Can you explain for me the Left’s support of Islam?
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 4:57 pm”
So you prove how the RIGHT does not care for the Constitution…..
It’s called freedom of RELIGION!!!!!
Sorry, but your idea that EVERYONE needs to be a christian just aint gonna happen.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmR_R,
Meet me over at http://www.backdoorbuddies.com and let’s “hook-up”.
I’m feeling extra randy tonight, you lucky dog!
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmAnd I thought Republicans saw themselves as the party of the Christians. Yet they’re all for locking people up without charge and with no legal counsel and they are also big proponents of torturing humans.
The true party of morality is the one that respects human rights.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmDear Rodan- How’s Mothra, these days? Just wondering.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmRodan, Flaco, Firehead….what’s the difference? These freaks are so far off the charts that there is nothing to be gained by combatting them. I wouldn’t give them the time of day, much less the cornucopia of attention that I shower on Jake, Patrick, Dale, and others. It is like playing whack-a-mole when there is a stationary mole head poking out of every door. The fun is gone after the first whack.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmSerious posters want the real Jake only. That way we know it is the real Jake when we say nasty and insulting things to him.
Comment by VerbalKint
That’s right, we only want to tell the real Jake to “Go f*ck yourself”
hehe
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmFake Jakes, stop it.It’s time for you to stop your demagogic defense of preventive war.Go to hell.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmOf course, if Bush was serious about stopping terrorists, he would actually be CONCERNED with Osama bin Laden.
Pretty embarrassing when your President is the guy who allowed the worst terrorist attack to ever occur on American soil to happen right under his nose.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmRemoveBush,
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmMuslims believe in imposing Sharia law.
Did you read about Muslims Cab drivers in Minnesota refusing to drive people with blind dogs. How about Islamic Target workers refusing to scan Pork items? The Left supports them.
If Catholics and Evangelicals did this, you guys would be bitching about this.
I see Jews handling Pork.
Why are Msulims special?
Can you explain for me the Left’s support of Islam?
Its not a love of Islam
Its a case of Human rights for all persons worldwide and the irony of being preaching to by a country who is the biggest violators of human rights
And if you do not accept this then read the UN reports on who the biggest violators of human rights are – believe it or not its you guessed America
by war, stravation, propping up dictators , bombed 65 country since 1945
SO NO ITS ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS WHETHER
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmQuit f*ing around, you fake Jakes, you. Ok, ok… I’ll meet you at the backdoorbuddies.com place if you just stop faking Jake. Where is it? I mean, where is the buddy place I’m supposed to meet you? Will Patrick and Cynicon be there? Maybe we can have an orgy. Can I be on top?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmKRank:
Since when have I said anything close to no legal basis as: “Guantanomo is controlled by Cuba (which is why American laws like habeas corpus or a prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment don’t apply there), so Bush doesn’t have any say in whether Gitmo closes or not.” You should have been able to tell it was not me just because Bush was not granted maximum King-like powers ; )
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmSure, he needs time to conduct his kangaroo courts before he shuts the place down. I so hope the world court holds Bush and Chaney responsible for the crimes they have committed. If they are convicted for war crimes by the world court, they can’t get a pardon! Hopefully they will then go to jail which is where they belong.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmComment by Tuber — March 23, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
I agree Tuber.
At the same time though, you have politicians on all sides that DON’T have the interests of the general population in mind. They have lobbyist that pull them one way or another. They have personal interests that pull them one way or another. They have political reasons that pull them one way or another. They DON’T work together for the common good.
There is also TV personalities that try to sway the public into believing one politician or the other.
All this produces resentment and distrust from each side.
This leads to the bizarre posturing that you mention.
There simply is no real good solid dialog from politicians that the general population can or are willing to listen too.
The proper dialog and debate has to start from the top but all too often the people at the top are setting the tone for negative debate and false accusations.
I totally agree with you – the quality of debate would increase exponentially. It has only one way to go!
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmI’m honored, actually had a post removed. It’s the first in about two years.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmAnd You Thought:
When you claim Bush “allowed the worst terrorist attack to ever occur on American soil to happen right under his nose” what do you think about FDR letting Pearl Harbor happen right under his nose too?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmRegarding #62
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmOk that last one was way uncalled for. And if you were a true liberal, you wouldn’t use gays for your little attention grab. Grow up.
Tobey Tall ,
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmI don’t give a hoot about Human Rights. I believe in the survival of my civilization against the Islamic assault with help of their Leftist Dhimmi allies.
68-…..and then escape to Pakistan.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmits a shame when other countries tell us
China – Clean up your own house first
Mugabe – the west can go hang
what more can i say about Bushes foreign policy
YOU SEE THE THING IS HES STUFFED US ALL INCLUDING ALL THE JAKES OF THIS WORLD
The liberals are sticking up for everybodies human rights
The liberals say if hes guilty then (try them fairly and then sentence them)
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pm“RemoveBush,
Muslims believe in imposing Sharia law.
Did you read about Muslims Cab drivers in Minnesota refusing to drive people with blind dogs. How about Islamic Target workers refusing to scan Pork items? The Left supports them.
If Catholics and Evangelicals did this, you guys would be bitching about this.
I see Jews handling Pork.
Why are Msulims special?
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 5:09 pm”
So now you speak for ALL Muslims?????
Now you want to limit what Freedom of Religion can stand for…. But when it comes to prayer time in schools you don’t mind standing up and saying that this should be REQUIRED…..
Nice of you to put YOUR OWN PERSONAL views on the Constitution!
Mighty Non-American of you!
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmjake, jake, jake, The difference is FDR conducted a successful war against the perpetrators of Pearl Harbor, and in less time than your bumbling buffoon emperor has allowed OBL to roam free.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:17 pm#77,
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:17 pmThough doth ASSume too much. Qui est la liberal? Pas moi.
And I’m not gay, maybe just a little curious, so try not to be offended.
Pearl Harbor wasn’t a “terrorist” attack you moron. It was an attack.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pmin scotland you have 28 days remand MAX
in that time you must be brought to trial or your a free man
NOT FRIGGIN FIVE YEARS , thats a miscarriage of justice to say the least
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pm#76: Easy. One was a military attack and an act of war. The other was a terrorist attack and not an act of war.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:20 pm“I don’t give a hoot about Human Rights. I believe in the survival of my civilization against the Islamic assault with help of their Leftist Dhimmi allies.
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 5:13 pm”
Fine then tell me where you live and I will come and torcher the $hit out of your family!!!!!
I will rip thier fingernails out with pliers….. I will urinate down thier throats….
I will do much more to them just to get them to admit to crimes they did not committ.
Since you don’t “give a hoot about Human Rights”, you won’t mind providing me with your address so I can try and find out how your family is connected to the terrorists will you???
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:21 pm#83
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:21 pmThat is why I assumed you were not a liberal, jack as*. I do assume you to be demented and childish.
2. If at first you don’t succeed, try again:
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmJake’s career is what made him what he is today.
He worked as a crash dummy for the NASA Rocket Sled program.
After each run they would scrape his brains off of the base of the sled into a bucket, turn him upside down, put a funnel into each nostril and pour them back in.
He still sloshes when he nods or shakes his head.
Every once in a while, the air relief valve at the back of his head malfunctions and a little grey matter drips out. Of late, no one notices any difference when that occurs.
Jake’s golden retriever has entered some posts when he (Jake, not the dog) passed out. On those occasions, the posts seem more rational, hence the apparent schizoid behavior.
“Now you want to limit what Freedom of Religion can stand for…. But when it comes to prayer time in schools you don’t mind standing up and saying that this should be REQUIRED…..”
I don’t believe in prayer in schools.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:23 pmI don’t acre about the Muslims’s religion. I don’t like them imposing their customs on the rest.
I don’t like them wanting to us to accomodate them.
They should intigrate into our society.
If they want to live under Sharia, they should’ve stayed in their ratholes.
How come Jews, Hindus and Buddhists integrate and don’t impose their values on our society?
It’s funny how the Left belives in secularisam except when it comes to Islam.
Hypocrisy.
#76: Another difference: FDR reacted by going after the country that did it to us. If Bush had been in charge, he would’ve bombed Chile.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:23 pm#74,
Cockroaches and rodents thrive in unclean and unsanitary environments. However, if you change the environment to be as clean and sanitary as possible, you avoid an infestation and cause the remaining ones to be easily seen and then taken care of.
So I disagree with your assertion that the change has to start at the top. The change needs to start with the “environmentâ€, which in this case represents the people. One of the reasons that our structure has been as powerful and as successful as it has is because our “leaders†follow the people, and not the other way around.
Only we can start the change.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmThe pearl harbor attack was provoked by a unexplainable U.S oil embargo to that country.
The US was eager to enter www3.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmEver heard of AIPAC?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:27 pm“I don’t acre about the Muslims’s religion. I don’t like them imposing their customs on the rest.”
Now you know how I, an atheist, feel about Christians.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pm#90-Walt,
The current provocateur “Jake” is one in the same as the previous provocateur, “mighty aphrodite”. Slightly different tone, same arrogance and tendency to embellish (lie) when describing itself and its qualifications/experience.
That is my guess. But the stench sure is familiar.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe Bush cultist responds to the charge that Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack in history by claiming FDR allowed Pearl Harbor. Hey stupid, even if that were true, we proceeded to beat the two biggest industrial war powers in the world in two separate hemispheres in less time than Bush has spent bumbling around in Iraq. And, those were Democrats running that war, a-hole.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Bluedog49 — March 23, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Smack
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:34 pmRodan, have you heard of the Christian dominion movement? Tens of thousands of conservative evangelical christians want to establish theocracy in the U.S. I’m sure that bothers you as well, right?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:35 pmbuzzbomb And You Thought:
FDR “reacted” by going after NORTH AFRICA!!!! BTW: Roosevelt DIED before we won against the country that attacked us (you remember your history at least that much, right?).
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:35 pmComment by Bluedog49 — March 23, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Ouch! How true.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 pmSince BOTH Hector Garcia and Bluedog49 are on my “Ignore List” they will have plenty of spare time to discuss amongst themselves whether the Pearl Harbor attack was provoked by FDR’s unexplainable U.S oil embargo to that country (I assume Japan, not taking into account what the Emperor was doing in China?).
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmthen the answer is end his presidency NOW
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmJust so we all remember who the real “blame america first” crowd is, a golden oldie:
“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped [9/11] happen.’”
                           – Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001, on The 700 Club
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:40 pm“I’m sure that bothers you as well, right?”
I don’t support the Christian Radicals neither, but their not doing suicide bombings or cutting heads off. Plus they eat Pork, Drink and love Dogs!
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pmWow, the giant flying prehistoric dinasour knows how to do a Ctl+C and follow that with a whopping Ctl+V.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pmMan, I’m impressed. Holding both those keys down for both of those complex maneuvers is very very hard.
Conservatives are funny in that crazy kind of way. Evidently, in addition to blaming America for the 9-11 attack, they are now trying to blame us for Pearl Harbor. Wow.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:42 pmRodan: “I don’t support the Christian Radicals neither, but their not doing suicide bombings or cutting heads off. Plus they eat Pork, Drink and love Dogs!”
Does the name Timothy McVeigh ring a bell?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 pmFor what it is worth, if it were not for all the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, those terrorist attacks would NOT have happened on that day — just like if Storm Thurmond had been elected President, we wouldn’t have had all these problems either — we’d probably have a whole host of other problems, but not these same problems : )
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:44 pm“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped [9/11] happen.’â€
Don’t forget the bisexuals, the swingers, the nudists, the unwed mothers, the deadbeat dads, and (as Chimpy wants to believe) the DEMOCRATS!!!!
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:46 pm#103 – I don’t support the Christian Radicals neither, but their not doing suicide bombings or cutting heads off…
Wrong (when will ReichWingNuts EVER get it through their thick skulls?)!
Tell us, if you can, which religion Timothy McVey worshiped?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmFor the record, I doubt that Hector Garcia is a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:47 pmRemove Bush,
“Fine then tell me where you live and I will come and torcher the $hit out of your family!!!!!
Give me your email. You want to take this out of the blogosphere you bitch.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:47 pmMy house is an arm fortress you come on my propert I’ll blow your head off.
So what’s up you want to take it there?
if Storm Thurmond had been elected President… Comment by Jake
We would be regressing back in history and owning slaves again.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:47 pmIf they are on your ignore list, then stop fu*king replying to their statements.
Jeebus, don’t you know how a 7 year olds list works?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmFor the record, I doubt that ReichWingNuts love America as much as they love themselves and hearing themselves spout the s**t they do.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pm#11 Jake:
Guantanomo is controlled by Cuba (which is why American laws like habeas corpus or a prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment don’t apply there),…
Nonsense. The treaty (the U.S. basically forced on Cuba a century ago) gives the U.S. “complete jurisdiction and control” over Guantanamo for as long as the U.S. wants it. See Rasul v. Dubya.
Cheers,
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmOK, Jake, you’ve elicited a response again. Thanks for demonstrating what I’ve been saying around here for a couple of days: that you are a vile, disgusting piece of filth.
Since our society is the most religious of all industrial nations, I would think that if Islamicists were going to attack the west for being secular, they would have gone after Denmark or the Netherlands first. If that were the measuring stick for Islamicists, we’d be way down the list.
The above would be what some academics would call “critical thinking.” It’s not really the strong suit of the average Bush cultist.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmTell us, if you can, which religion Timothy McVey worshiped?
He worshipped a Knock off called Christian Identity. It’s fake christianity since it cliams Jesus was an Aryan. He was a Jew. Christianity is Romanized Judiasm.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:51 pmyou want to add up who’s killed more poeple Muslims terrorist of Cult nutjobs?
Conservative? I would commit suicide if i was.There is just one thing more dangerous than being conservative, to be a religious idiot.
Anyway, almost all repukenicans are religious idiots.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:52 pmJesusChrist_GodofWAR ,
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmI love how Stalinists as are allied with Islamic radicals. It’s an odd allliance.
Rodan: “you want to add up who’s killed more poeple Muslims terrorist of Cult nutjobs?”
Hey, that might be fun. How far do we get to go back counting? By some estimates, the Roman Catholic Church tortured more than 9 million women to death during the middle ages. Does that count?
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:55 pmProud Dem:
You can’t deny that would mean a whole host of different problems ; )
Arne Langsetmo:
#11 was the “fake Jake” — I’m surprised you didn’t catch that since he / she was making the case that Bush did NOT have King-like powers . . .
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmJust to let all of you know, any attempt by me to present Jake’s true backround and mindset is subject to removal by this site.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmFor the record, if I mention anyone on my “Ignore List” by name, that is for the benefit of some point I am making to lurkers, and not intended as a direct communication to said individual(s).
We now return to your regularly-scheduled pogrom.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:58 pm“they would have gone after Denmark or the Netherlands ”
The Islamists have gone after Denmark and Netherlands.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:58 pmRemember the cartoon roits and the attack on Danish embassies?
How aboy in the Netherlands where a Militant Muslim killed Theo Van Gogh.
Also in Holland anti-Islamic politicians have body gaurds and recieve death threats.
Muslim youths also attack Dutch in Islamic majority neighborhoods.
Recently however the Dutch have fought back and backed by soccer Hooligans rioted and beat the fuck out of Muslims.
#119 – I love how ChristoFascist ReichWingNuts have their head so far up their a**es that they can’t see the light of day, let along the light of truth.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:58 pmA conservative founder, John Adams: “The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”
A liberal Founder, Thomas Jefferson: “I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”
See, the men who fashioned our constitution were in general agreement regarding christianity. As they were the founders of our country, I would think patriotic Americans would respect their feelings.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:59 pm“How far do we get to go back counting? By some estimates, the Roman Catholic Church tortured more than 9 million women to death during the middle ages. Does that count?”
That’s a made up figure.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmDo 15 Million dead Greek Orthodoxs, Egytian Copts and Roman Catholics killed during the 7th Century Jihad count too?
Jake you really don’t seem to get it. It might be because you are a clueless authoritarian. This is Think Progress. You’re the troll. You don’t call the shots around here. Nobody gives a damn about your stupid list. I can’t believe that I, or anyone else for that matter, is still responding to your absurd nonsense.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmGOP = The Party of Fear and Torture
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmBluedog49,
I’m personally Religious but Politically Secular, so your post is preaching to the choir. It’s because of my Secular outlook that I view Islam as a threat. It’s a regressive religion and more than that, It’s alos a way of life and political system. It’s basically Religious Stalinsim.
JesusChrist_GodofWAR ,
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:05 pmI love how the Stalinist Left give Islamic murderers a pass. Oh well what do you expect from stalinsist their idol killed 20 Million people all in the name of Socialism!
Sure, Rodan, I’ll see you and raise you 20 million dead Jews, Polish and Gypsies by the NAZI’s. And, before you start howling, a quote:
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed.
—Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922, published in My New Order
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pm—Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941
Is this the fake Jake trying to act even stupider than the real one?
Comment by VerbalKint — March 23, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Is that even possible?
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmI also apologize to buzzbomb for post #98 (I missed the fact that he / she was already on — and now has been highlighted in — the “Ignore List”). The question is still pending to “And You Thought . . .”
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmRudy when President will send many Leftists to Gitmo. Some may get thrown overboard on the way. Hopefully George Soreass and John Tadpoledesta!
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Rodent – fortunately liberals aren’t wimps like you neocon fake macho men. If you want to scare people its easier on a conservative site.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pmBluedog49,
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmHitler used the name Christian but he wasn’t. In fact most of the Nazi leadership were Neo-Pagans. Hitler claimed Jesus was Aryan. Jesus was Jewish. By denying Jesus’s Jewishness, that right there elimates it as Christian.
Hey you Atheistic buddy Stalin killed 2o Million and that great Progressive leader Mao killed 70 Million. Oh let’s not forget that great Socilaist Pol Pot, 4 Million.
fortunately liberals aren’t wimps ,
Ha ha. evry Lefty I met is some geeky Rich jerk who belives they are better than thou. Plus they hate guns. I’m very well armed.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:12 pmIs this the fake Jake trying to act even stupider than the real one?
Comment by VerbalKint — March 23, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Is that even possible?
Comment by shane
Nope. No one could ever reach the lower depths of idiocy that Jake attempts to gain. He reaches new lows daily.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmit seems to me that the trolls in here are on some sort of whitehouse job creation scheme where they get $40 a week for being complete arseholes
Comment by Tobey Tall — March 23, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
TT
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmThey’re trolls for $40 a week
They’re complete arseholes for free!
I laugh at how ChristoFascists and ReichWingNuts love to hate.
Like their religious “righteousness” is why the Bush Crime Family invaded Iraq (a secular state until Emperor B. got there).
GOP == Intolerant Ignorant Torturing Fools
Nothing like dishing fear to the under 100 IQ masses to keep them in line and doing what you want them to do.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmBluedog49,
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmLet’s not forget the 25 Million Hindus killed by Muslims conquerers between the 10th and 12the Century.
Hey, Hitler, in his own written words, claimed to be a proud catholic.
Rodan, however, can somehow read his mind and tells us Hitler was kidding. Good one, Rodan. Verrrry strong argument. I guess Hitler was also kidding when he established a Reich Bishop.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmRodan do not forget the American indian holocaust, where millions of natives were massacred in the name of repukenican values.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmA little known fact about GITMO is that most of the people there were not picked up by the United States military, but were reported for money!
When the US offered money for reporting “insurgents”, criminals saw a means to get rid of their enemies and make some cash at the same time.
That is why so few of the detainees at GITMO have even been brought to a kangaroo court, yet alone a real one, because the fact that they were not “caught in the act” would come out.
The LIE that GITMO is full of terrorists “caught on the battlefield” (what battlefield?), is far from the TRUTH that GITMO is full of people who were “reported for money”!
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmJesusChrist_GodofWAR ,
You can’t defend your Islamic allies so you have to resort to your silly accusations. A true Stalinist tactic.
“ChristoFascists and ReichWingNuts ”
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmWhere are the death squads in the Country?
Why does the Left control the Media?
Why is George Soreass still allowed to make money?
Why is this site still up?
How come your not in jail or disappeared?
You wouldn’t know true Fascism if you saw it. If you did you’d cry like a bitch.
Hey Rodan, we can continue this exercise in futility as long as you like, but all it does is demonstrate that both muslims and christians are standard bearers for cultures of death.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmRodan, this is why I am called Jesus Christ God of WAR.
I, Jesus, can’t stand anyone who uses my name and my religion for their own petty small purposes. When I said LOVE others, I meant it.
I DID NOT mean you have the right to go out and slaughter the innocent masses just because they did it to you in some distant past. Other’s past actions DO NOT justify your own. Follow My teachings and understand the nature of love, peace, and helping (NOT killing) others.
Got it?
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmRodan: “Why does the Left control the Media?”
You’re kidding, right? Please be kidding.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:22 pm“where millions of natives were massacred in the name of repukenican values.”
They were killed by both Democarts and Republicans.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:22 pmhey let’s not forget that the KKK was an armed wing of the Democratic party.
Plus our Spanish ancestors killed the Indians too. Us Spanish people have blood on our hands.
In Fact the Spaniards learned Holy war from Islam, when in 711 the Muslims invaded and killed 3 Million Roman and Gothic Spaniards.
How about Mohammed Prophet of War.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmHe massacred a Jewish tribe in the Kaybar valley in Arabia. He also wiped out a Christian tribe in Norther Arabia.
In it’s the Holy Koran. He also said that Jihad is the way to spread the word of Allah.
Rodan, slow down. Catch your breath.
We get it. Gitmo will remain open and you are very happy for it.
Sorry, but torture is NOT a true Christian value. I don’t care what anyone did to you in the past.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 pmI see Jews handling Pork.
Why are Msulims special?
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Orthodox Jews don’t. You’d think the party of fundamentalist Christians would be accepting of fundamentalist Muslims.
And tell me do you ask evrybody who handles your portk what religiion they are. Oh that’s right, nobody handles your pork.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmRodan, you worship an idol of a man being tortured to death. You recreate the bloody torture of this man every year and celebrate it. This is why I refer to your religion as a culture of death. It just is.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmFDR “reacted†by going after NORTH AFRICA!!!! BTW: Roosevelt DIED before we won against the country that attacked us (you remember your history at least that much, right?).
Comment by Jake — March 23, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Isn’t it CHILDISH for you to repeat this little tirade every day. Oh that’s right literal translation of the bible for you fundamentalists reaches to every freaking sentence.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmOk rodan american indians were massacred in the name of stupid values, just like what’s happening today in Iraq.
He who does not learn from history is destined to revive it.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmFor the record, here are the full questions / answers about Gitmo from today’s press briefing:
Q Secretary Gates’ concerns about Gitmo. Did they reach the President?
MR. SNOW: No. I received some guidance from the Secretary of Defense’s office, which is that it never did reach the President. He had some concerns, and illegal issues were resolved. And he deferred to the Attorney General on the legal issues. And beyond that, I’m going to kick it all over to DoD. But it did not reach the President.
Q Why is it that the President’s stated desire to close Guantanamo Bay cannot be turned into some kind of plan of action?
MR. SNOW: Because there are legal constraints, and those are the things that the Attorney General had made clear in terms of the inadvisability of putting Guantanamo detainees on continental U.S. soil. We have tried as best we can to move those who are in Guantanamo either to their home nations, or nations where they are wanted for other trial or justice dispensation. But we also have laid down the benchmark that you also have to be able to assure that they’re going to be treated humanely.
Very few countries want these people back, and, therefore, what you have to do is to work through a procedure where you do, in fact, bring them to justice. But the President made clear back in September that he would love to be able to shut it down, but unfortunately the circumstances do not presently permit.
April.
Q So, realistically, are you saying that Guantanamo Bay will not be shut down before the end of his presidency?
MR. SNOW: I doubt it, no. I don’t think it will.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:37 pmComment by Jake — March 23, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Jake if I have to hear one more word from you about your stupid ass I’m going to go postal. Could I have your address first?
Joke, Jake. I forgot you have that literal issue.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 pmIf anyone (not on my “Ignore List”) has any question whether FDR attacked NORTH AFRICA or DIED before we won against the country that attacked us. let me know.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 pmSomeone must have slipped the FDR illegally started WWII meme into the ChristoFascistReichWingNut’s koolaid, because this is the third time this week I’ve seen that moronic argument somehow trying to justify Bush’s actions.
It is so beyond silly, but I guess that what those unthinking rightards are left with. That bin Laden and Saddam are somehow orders of magnitude worse than Hitler. My god, how to these Remoronicans function considering they must continually be pooping in their pants out of fear of some *****heads living in a cave on the other side of the planet. I bet if I typed “boo” in all capitals, they have the vapors and collapse.
Hey knuckleheads, Bush is going down as the worst President EVAR, while FDR deserves his monument on the Potomac and spot at Mt. Rushmore. Also you Restupidicans, did you know that in contrast to your Dear Decider, who still doesn’t have a plan for Iraq and whose DOD chief threatened of fire anyone that tried to discuss a post war Iraq, that FDR’s staff started planning for a post war Germany BEFORE Pearl Harbor.
Sadly the English languages, as flexible and diverse as it is, simply doesn’t have words to express my loathing for you redumbicans.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:39 pmI don’t support the Christian Radicals neither, but their not doing suicide bombings or cutting heads off. Plus they eat Pork, Drink and love Dogs!
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
No just authorizing torture at Guantanamo.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:40 pmMore horses asses than horses.
Sorry for you lurkers out there my formatting did not work — hope you can tell what I wanted to highlight with “bold” — have a great weekend everyone!
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:41 pmP.S. to JRoyale — you do realize that Gore testified global warming was the worst thing to ever face mankind, right. Worse than Hitler, I guess. I’m sorry if you have some failure of imagination to ever consider that Saddam or al Qaeda with nuclear weapons could not kill more people than Hitler ever dreamed of killing. Good think you didn’t get the 8/6/01 PDB either then.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:45 pmJake,
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmBush sucks!
He lied so people died!
This war concocted by Haliburton!
think = thing
(Dang spell-checker ; )
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmWhy do most of the debates devolve into religious fanaticism of one form or another?
This has nothing to do with religion. Nothing.
Terrorism is not race or religion based. Many use such as justifications for the heinous actions they take, but that happens across religions and races and therefore is not indicative of or specific to any religion or race and thereby completely irrelevant.
How is this concept so confusing? If we do not resist attempts to frame the debates in religious or race contexts then we will never make any progress whatsoever and will only waste time discussing the irrelevant.
Religion is not a problem at all and has no place in the national dialogue. Faith is a personal choice and only becomes an issue when it is used for manipulation and/or oppression. But for that to occur the manipulated and/or oppressed have to acquiesce to it. We are the land of the free for christsakes (pun intended).
I believe that if we refuse to acknowledge religious interjections into politics or government then its influence and diversion disappears.
Worth pondering at least.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmjust like if Storm Thurmond had been elected President, we wouldn’t have had all these problems either
Comment by Jake — March 23, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Just when you think Jake can’t get any stupider, EUREKA! Strom Thurmond, the only person who could have embarassed the American people worse than Bushwad.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmMy #124, never mind, they are back.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 pmI don’t support the Christian Radicals neither, but their not doing suicide bombings or cutting heads off. Plus they eat Pork, Drink and love Dogs!
Comment by Rodan — March 23, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
What do you think Hitler was?
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmRich Porter:
How about you post what you consider to be the most blatant Bush “lie” then?
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pm#156,
Hitler died before the end of WWII also so I guess that, using your logic, he then bears no responsibility for it or the holocaust.
Now, can we get back on topic?
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmBush is taking Order from aliens!
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm#166,
I can assist. It is when he said:
“I swear to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States of America…”
You know, that “damned piece of paper”.
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:55 pmRich Porter:
Bush is taking Order from aliens!
Are you claiming Bush said that?
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmMy #164, Mind – they are gone again and my #124 is now #122.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmre#159 Jake
You have a failure of thinking skills to ever consider:
1. Firing a nuclear weapon from your country to another nuclear armed country will result in your country being hit with nuclear weapons.
2. Nuclear weapons require sophisticated intercontinental ballistic weapons to be delivered from half way across the planet to the United States and only Russia has a missle that can reach the continental United States.
3. The explosions required to start a nuclear chain reaction must precisely focused and precisely timed, so the “suit case” nuclear bomb scenario of terrorists smuggling one in the United States is pure fantasy.
4. The United States would have no foreign terrorist problem, just like Sweden has no foreign terrorist problem, because their military is not in any foreign countries. If you REALLY wanted to be free from foreign terrorism, you would be advocating that our military stay within our own borders.
The United States is full of scared “chicken littles” who do not understand that “foreign terrorists”, are antibodies generated in reponse to the disease of “foreign imperialism”!
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmMy post on March 23, 2007 @ 7:02 pm,
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmBack again, my head is spinning – I will cease using numerics!
Yeah, I’m not that worried about fantasy al Qaeda ICBM or suitcase nukes either. The shipping container sized, or even truck sized, nukes OTOH could be detonated at ports and/or smuggled across the border and easily kill more Americans than Hitler did.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmJake said on March 23, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Yeah, I’m not that worried about fantasy al Qaeda ICBM or suitcase nukes either. The shipping container sized, or even truck sized, nukes OTOH could be detonated at ports and/or smuggled across the border and easily kill more Americans than Hitler did.
One LPG tanker filled with Hydrogen Cyanide, detonated in LA harbor could kill more Americans then have died since this nation was founded.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:22 pmHow could you be worried about bombs detonating in an American port and still be for spending $6 billion a month in Iraq. For one month’s Iraq bill, we could outfit every single U.S. port with state-of-the-art radiation and chemical screening technology, put anti-missle defense and armed air marshals on every commercial jet and shore up the security around every chemical and nuclear plant in the nation. What utter fools you Bush cultists are.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 pmJake,
You obviously never studied Hitler. He’s plans were rather grandiose or insane, if you prefer.
Link
Furthermore, the Nazis had the capability to develop atomic arms AND their rocket program was far more advanced then the US’s. In fact, many of our best post-war rocket engineers were German.
bin Laden is hiding in a cave. BOO!
As for the dangerous of Global Warming: It is clearly a threat to billions of people. Fortunately, the tide rises slow enough that most people can get out of the way. It will, however, be outrageously expensive to deal with.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 pmJake
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:29 pmDick Cheney and Karl Rove are from Alpha Centauri. They have a plan to take over the world. In fact they are quietly planting chips on babies. Haliburton is a front for space aliens.
Dick Cheney with the Aliens is causing Gloabl warming. The aliens are using gamma rays to heat up the Earth.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pmFor the record, I don’t “worry” about anything — but I think my point has been made that the terrorist threat is real, not imaginary — I completely supported Bush signing the the SAFE Port Act which authorized $3.4 billion including the development of high-tech inspection equipment so customs agents can check cargo containers for dangerous materials without having to open them. It requires radiation-detection technology at 22 of the nation’s busiest ports by the end of next year.
“We’ll do everything we can to prevent an attack, but if the terrorists succeed in launching an attack, we’ll be ready to respond,” Bush said.
The president said the bill codifies the Container Security Initiative, which deploys U.S. inspectors to dozens of foreign ports on five continents where they can screen cargo bound for the United States. He said it also codifies the Customs Trade Partnership Against Terrorism, a joint public-private sector initiative in which private shippers agree to improve their own security measures and in return can receive benefits, including expedited clearance through U.S. ports.
Bush also noted that the bill provides additional authority for the Domestic Nuclear Detection Office, which was established to guard against the threat of terrorists smuggling a nuclear device into the country. And the act requires the Department of Homeland Security to establish a plan to speed the resumption of trade in the event of a terrorist attack on a U.S. port or waterway.
“This bill makes clear that the federal government has the authority to clear waterways, identify cleanup equipment and re-establish the flow of commerce following a terrorist attack,” the president said.
The administration has spent about $10 billion so far to enhance security at the nation’s ports since the attacks of September 11, 2001. About 65 percent of cargo, that considered most high-risk, is screened for nuclear or radiological materials. The Homeland Security Department aims to increase that number to 80 percent by the end of the year and to almost 100 percent by the end of 2007.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmJake sez:
Two problems with that statement, Jake:
1) What, exactly, is our government doing about this problem? Are our borders closed? Were they ever closed at any time during this ‘War on Terror’…even immediately after 9/11?
2) Your qualification of what concerns you still doesn’t take into account criticalthinker’s last point…that the reason the U.S. even needs to be concerned about this at all is because its predatory foreign policy continually generates terrorists as a natural response.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmJRoyale:
I didn’t have to study Hitler — I lived through WWII, son — I’m just curious how many Americans you think would be killed by container-sized nukes at the following ports:
1. Los Angeles, CA
2. Long Beach, CA
3. New York, NY and NJ
4. Houston, TX
5. Seattle, WA
6. Charleston, SC
7. Oakland, CA
8. Norfolk, VA
9. Baltimore, MD
10. Tacoma, WA
11. New Orleans, LA
12. Miami, FL
13. Savannah, GA
14. Port of South Louisiana, LA
15. Beaumont, TX
16. Portland, OR
17. Jacksonville, FL
18. Corpus Christie, TX
19. Port Everglades, FL
20. Philadelphia, PA
Keep in mind that these 20 targets would also be a major blow to the U.S. economy as well, since the for account for over three-fourths of U.S. trade imports / exports. If these 20 targets could be coordinated with mid-day truck-sized nuke attacks on Washington, D.C., Chicago, Phoenix, San Diego, Dallas, and San Antonio — yes, Virginia, they could easily kill more Americans than Hitler ever dreamed of killing.
Rich Porter:
Get a life.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pmFor the lurkers out there, I was so effective that I answered TripMaster Monkey’s “questions” before he even asked them (this “Ignore List” thing is working out so much better than even I thought possible).
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmI’m all FOR keeping Gitmo open for all time……..just as long as the detainees are GW Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Abrams, Ashcroft, Card, Bartlett, Rove, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Abramoff, Delay, Powell, Fleischer, Snow, Gonzeles, Libbey, Limpdick, Coulter, Hastert, M. McConnell, Inhofe, O’Reilly, T. Lott, Hannity, Brownback, Falwell, Roberston, Dobson, Pat Roberts, firehead, Patrick 1, Falco, michael, IRI, Mighty Moron, et al.
Waterboard city.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pmThe stats included in my 7:31 pm post came from here: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/13/bush.ports.ap/index.html
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmFor the lurkers out there, I was so effective that I answered TripMaster Monkey’s “questions†before he even asked them (this “Ignore List†thing is working out so much better than even I thought possible). Comment by Jake — March 23, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
You Jake’off with b*llsh*t talking points. It isn’t answering questions, it’s avoiding them – dum bass!
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:45 pmComment by JRoyale — March 23, 2007 @ 7:26 pm,
I will not repost your post, but I disagree that Hitler was at all capable in the process of producing Nukes.
Hitler had a single problem – he developed policies that in the end made impossible any advancement in the enrichment processes because of his obsession with suppressing the Jewish religion and the Jewish people.
By the late 30’s, just about every top flight nuclear scientist from Germany had left for England or the United States. They were quickly followed from those in the rest of Europe.
In short, Hitler was better then GWB at shooting himself in the foot!
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmIf anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) has a different question, please let me know. However, no one should still have a question of what exactly our government is doing about this problem at ports — see link above, and you can easily read up more on the SAFE Port Act on-line.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmAfter spending over $500 billion on a useless and disasterous war in Iraq, the Bushies have spent less than $10 billion to help secure our own ports, but most of the technology has not even been deployed 6 years after the 9-11 attack.
Only an unamerican, traitorous Bush cultist could brag about something like that. It’s a disgrace. The Bush administration is a disgrace. And, its mindless, authoritarian drone cultists are a disgrace.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:53 pmJake sez:
Two problems with that statement, Jake:
1) You didn’t answer my questions. You made a stab at answering the first one, but didn’t manage to follow though, while you’ve again completely ignored the second one (just like you did when criticalthinker posed it the first time).
Now, if you want to count that in your ‘win’ column, go right ahead…but you’re fooling only yourself.
2) Funny how you think that acknowledging my questions counts as ‘ignoring’ me. You’re not too bright, are you?
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmSo Jake must be pissed about pushing through to have Dubai Ports World take over security for our ports, especially considering that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were from Dubai and that the 9/11 commission report states that Dubai helped fund 9/11 and he must be pissed that Haliburton is moving their, right?
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmIf anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) wonders why TripMaster Monkey is on the “Ignore List” for personal attacks / not responding to my questions, please let me know that too.
March 23rd, 2007 at 7:59 pmJake
Riiiiggghhhtttt… why don’t we just worry about Al Queda donating 1000 bombs in our 1000 largest cities. Or maybe a million bombs, or a trillion.
And I’m glad that Bush finally started to take port security seriously, but my question would be, why didn’t Bush make it a priority on 9/12/2001, instead of waiting for Congress to ram it down his throat some 4 years later?
In fact, why did Bush ignore all the pre 9/11 warnings about Al Queda? Was he pulling an FDR (who some (not me tho’) claim baited the Japs to attack)?
Al Queda can (and must) be fought, but fighting them in Iraq is and was just plain stupid. Mostly because they weren’t in Iraq in 2002 and the ones that are there now will quickly be eliminated by the Iraqis once we leave.
March 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 pmJake sez:
I can answer that one…I went on the list after I asked this question, which Jake apparently couldn’t or wouldn’t answer. Go ahead and read the thread…it’s all there.
Of course, I’m betting that no one cares about your “ignore list”, Jake. Hell…I don’t care…I don’t see why anyone else should. All I care about is that you not be allowed to lie about why I’m on it. I’m on it because you can’t keep up…plain and simple…and I’m betting that that’s why everyone else on it is there as well.
(Oh, and I don’t mean to tell you how to conduct your business, but you acknowledged me again…sorta obviates that whole ‘ignore’ thing, don’t ‘cha think?)
March 23rd, 2007 at 8:09 pmJake is prick. I think we can all agree about that.
How many of us have had our names hijacked? I know mine has been hijacked numerous times, and it wasn’t pretty.
Whoever is hijacking Jake’s name is a low and moronic wanker.
March 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pmStop that shit. We’re supposed to be better than that.
Well, Zooey,some of us are!
March 23rd, 2007 at 9:57 pmBTW, happy Friday everyone!
March 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 pmLook, Jake said that he has a Golden Retriever. Now anyone who has a dog that large has to love animals. My brother-in-law has a Black Lab. Some nights, it’s either the Lab or the spouse. Most times, the spouse ends up sleeping on the couch. The Lab also consumes as much food as three teenagers and what goes in must come out (And the Lab is not toilet trained.). In short, Jake has accecpted a commitment and stuck to it. He is not a total flake (And this is the real WaltTheMan, trueblue can check with me for verification.).
March 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 pmYou know, I have somewhat impressed with Bob Gates lately.
He knows that Gitmo needs shutdown; he’s just not really in command with Bush/Cheney’s rationality deafness.
March 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 pmEargy Earp posted on March 23, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
You know, I have somewhat impressed with Bob Gates lately.
He knows that Gitmo needs shutdown; he’s just not really in command with Bush/Cheney’s rationality deafness.
You do know that in addition to his CIA experience, Gates was also the Dean at a military college. GHWB placed his name in front of GWB and hoodwinked his son. This was a foil to reintroduce sanity to the Pentigon. GWB took it hook line and sinker – sucker.
March 23rd, 2007 at 10:38 pmWell, Zooey,some of us are!
Comment by SKdeA
I meant the ones who are doing that crap. :)
Happy Friday!
March 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 pmALL MEMBERS of Bushland Uber Allies ARE WELCOME TO SPEND THEIR LIFETIME AT “CLUB Gitmo”–THE MOST EXCLUSIVE WATERING Oops WATER-BOARDING HOLE IN ALL THE WORLD!!!!! YOUR GREETERS CHIMPya W. Bush and Torticola DICK-Less B(ugger) FRANKENCheney ARE LIFETIME “RESIDENTS” THERE AND REALLY ENJOY THE AMENITIES—-EXCEPT WHEN A WET CLOTH IS PLACED OVER THEIR FACES AND WATER POURED ATOP IT!!!! HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!
March 24th, 2007 at 12:37 amHell yeah, I made the ignore list! jake is some piece of work. Where did this guy come from and when is he going away? He seems to think we attacked North Africa in response to Pearl Harbor. For someone 75 years old he doesn’t know sh#t about history. Ever heard of the war in the pacific numbnuts? Ever hear of the year 1942? We landed in North Africa long after we had been at war in the pacific against the japanese. My god, this man is stupid.
March 24th, 2007 at 12:50 amFor anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) who doesn’t know we attacked Afghanistan before Iraq or who has questions about Operation Torch (which indeed started in 1942), let me know. As long as you answer my questions in a civil manner, I will always return the same courtesy.
March 25th, 2007 at 9:11 amwe need to keep guantánamo open
it’ll be our own spandau prison for after the war crimes trials
March 25th, 2007 at 9:58 amI at least agree with tofubo re: his first point.
March 25th, 2007 at 1:19 pmKeep Gitmo open…
…then let Bushiva, L’il Dick and all of their co-conspirators do their time…
…in the general population there…
…among the other “terrorists”…
March 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pmLet him keep it open. It’ll just give GOP members more ammunition when they join Chuck Hagel’s call for impeachment!
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