Army deployed seriously injured soldiers.
By on Mar 26th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Army deployed seriously injured soldiers.
Salon.com’s Mark Benjamin has a new report documenting how U.S. soldiers with debilitating injuries and other medical conditions, including female soldiers who were pregnant, were deployed for weeks to the desert training facility at Fort Irwin, California. “In some cases, soldiers were sent there even though their injuries were so severe that doctors had previously recommended they should be considered for medical retirement from the Army.” Military experts say the decision “was an effort to pump up manpower statistics used to show the readiness of Army units.”
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No they didn’t! After all, hacker bob never saw anyone who was injured get redeployed, so it obviously didn’t happen.
So there.
</snark>
March 26th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI thought women in combat was just FINE with the liberals?!
March 26th, 2007 at 1:37 pmApart from that sarcastic “I told you so” — plenty of soldiers throughout history have bravely volunteered to enter battle even though they were wounded. Keep in mind this is jusy Fort Irwin, California, not downtown Baghdad. Let’s ask how many of these “ordered” deployed WANTED to go despite their injuries.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmanyone actually suprised by this?
March 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmJake…Women in combat IS just fine. Its all about equality. However you fail to mention that people with debilitating injuries were sent into traiing. In your case that would be the removal of your frontal lobe. For others its more serious.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pm#2 so you’re all for sending pregnant women into combat but the idea of an abortion just appalls you…
how has your head not exploded yet?
March 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pmJake sez:
There’s that reading comprehension problem again, Jakey.
Somehow, you managed to pick out the word ‘female’ while completely missing ‘injured’ and ‘pregnant’.
Are you naturally this obtuse, or do you take classes?
(I know, I know…I’m on The List â„¢ (again)… ^_^ )
March 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pmI thought women in combat was just FINE with the liberals?!
Comment by Jake
Do you ever actually READ the articles and links before making your stupid A$$ comments?
Sheesh!!!
March 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmJake sez:
Jake, as I explained to you very carefully last time, there’s a significant difference between ordering a wounded man to fight and not ordering a wounded man not to fight. The difference lies in the soldier’s personal initiative. To rephrase it a bit more simply (in deference to you, Jake), there is a big difference between a wound man volunteering to fight, and a wounded man being ordered to fight. The first is heroism, the second is depraved indifference.
If you’re still fuzzy on the details of our previous exchange (back in the halcyon days when you weren’t afraid to answer my posts), here’s a link for you.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:46 pm#3 yes… blame the troops. you sure are one empathic b@stard Jake.
Now lets just say that your crazy talk is correct for a second. And a wounded troop wanted so badly to redeploy he volunteered… WHY the hell woudl the army ALLOW such a thing!? a soldier who is not in top physical condition for their particular job would put other troops in danger!
have you ever even HEARD of the term “logic”?
March 26th, 2007 at 1:46 pm(I know, I know…I’m on The List ™ (again)… ^_^ )
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
It is Doubtfull he even fully comprehends reading his own The List â„¢
Comprehending the articles? Fugitaboutit.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:46 pmFor the injured: Does he have a pulse…? Then he’s okay.
For the pregnant: All units are now being trained in battlefield birthing techniques.
Putting ANYONE into combat isn’t very cool with liberals (especially when it only serves the interest of the ruling party and it’s friends). Why is it so cool for the facists? Because they’re loosers.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pmhil:
I am not FOR women in combat in the first place.
If anyone else (NOT on the “Ignore List”) has a question, please let me know.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#13 Jake is this “ignore list” really a “people Im afraid of” list… or “people who are smarter than me” list… if so then go right ahead and add my name to that.
Man up and stop being such a sad little pu$$y!
March 26th, 2007 at 1:53 pmJake sez:
I’m gonna say it again, Shakey. Your vaunted “Ignore List” doesn’t work both ways.
If you persist in spewing your disingenuous filth on this site, I’ll persist in debunking you and making you look even more like a horse’s ass than you manage to do on your own.
If you want to keep cowering behind your “Ignore List”, by all means continue to do so. Every time you mention it, you look even more childish in our eyes. Soon, you’ll vanish entirely.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmhil:
No need to respond to my post #13 as I submitted that prior to seeing your post #10. Have a nice life.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmMilitary experts say the decision “was an effort to pump up manpower statistics used to show the readiness of Army units.â€
Quick question:
Do the pregnant troops count as one, or two, each? ^_^
March 26th, 2007 at 1:56 pmJake,
Thanks for the offer to ask you questions. Here’s one:
What the f**k is wrong with you?
Here’s an observation: You counter every topic at TP. This makes you disingenuous at best (espacially when you resort to fallacious debate techniques – and moreso with each occourance of same). The really bad part of your “oppose them at every opportunity” technique is that it weakens the debate for all od us. In addition, it makes you look like a world-class A-hole.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:56 pmLet’s ask how many of these “ordered†deployed WANTED to go despite their injuries.
Comment by Jake
Somehow I don’t think you could get on a transport plane to Iraq if you don’t have orders.
The army needs severely injured soldiers, convicts, unfit recruits, the mentally disabled and others to make their head counts. Its like the Dirty Dozen x 2500.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pmAt this rate, Jake is going to be talking to himself….
Oh wait, nothing will have changed……
March 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pmJake sez:
Congratulations, hil…you’ve made The List â„¢!
Welcome, brother. ^_^
March 26th, 2007 at 1:58 pm#16 Jake,
Awesome!! Its like affirmation of my brilliance… or of my possession of minute brain function. Either way I feel special now. XD
March 26th, 2007 at 2:00 pm#21 TMM
March 26th, 2007 at 2:01 pmthanks!! I feel all warm and squishy inside! :D
and actually its sister ;)
dlet:
Injured soldiers have been ORDERED into battle in every major war we’ve fought — I am including John Kerry’s scratch, for instance ; )
March 26th, 2007 at 2:01 pmhil,
March 26th, 2007 at 2:03 pmCongrats. Great accomplishment. I asked Jake a while back if I was on “THE LIST” but I never received a response back so I have my fingers crossed.
I suggest that we institute a draft and give hawks and the descendants of hawks very low numbers so that they can more tangibly express their beliefs in wars of aggression. In a generation or two the problem should self rectify.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:06 pmSorry, dlet, if I missed your prior question, but you are not currently on the “Ignore List” so I’ve only seen you being polite in answering my questions. I apologize in advance if you wanted to be on the “Ignore List” – just let me know.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:07 pm#25
March 26th, 2007 at 2:08 pmawww dlet… looks like you havent made it yet… QUICK! throw some facts at him! they burn like acid!
If anyone else (NOT on the “Ignore List”) wants to know why I won’t continue to debate those who post the likes of “you sure are one empathic b@stard Jake”, “Man up and stop being such a sad little pu$$y!” or “What the f**k is wrong with you?” let me know.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:10 pmYou gotta get back up and fight. That’s the conservative way. Libs wanna wait for the government to help, whether you lose your job and want welfare or get injured in war.
But in the real world, not the libby world, you get back up like a true warrior. At least, conservatives do.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:11 pm“I am including John Kerry’s scratch, for instance”
making fun of a veteran is okay if you’re polite!!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:12 pmToo bad TP as a whole is not on Joke’s ignore list. I hope I made the list but in case I haven’t…. go away Jake, you worthless piece of dung.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThis is a non-issue in that it has been going on for a LONG time and prior to our current “situation”.
How do I know? Well, I was deployed to war games at Fort Irwin in 1982 even though I had a broken-leg injury that was only a week old. (as a side note, if you ever want to have a lot of fun, try walking in sand with crutches).
The reason that I was deployed even with injury was so that the numbers could reflect that I was a deployable soldier. However, I was only made to endure the 120 degree heat with a full leg cast for 1 day before I was labeled a “casualty” and sent back to the base.
If your curious what happens to such an injury in a sweltering heat environment (I’m not exaggerating about 120 degrees), your leg swells up to the point where it shatters the plaster cast.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:14 pmI am not FOR women in combat in the first place.
If anyone else (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) has a question, please let me know.
Comment by JakeMeOv — March 26, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
Ohhh, ohhhh, ohhh!!! Me first, me first!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI have one!
Tell me again how a woman should enjoy her rape!
Wait! That’s a request.
Let me try another…
How should a woman enjoy her rape?
And another..
How can you be an Independent, when you post $hit like this:
good, now can our side bomb the NY Times?
I have a radical thought.
Sending injured troops into battle might actually hurt the morale of our troops.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pmYou gotta get back up and fight. That’s the conservative way.
Comment by firehead
Yeah. No way would you stop to think if the fight you’re fighting is actually worth fighting. Just get back up and blasted again. Kinda like a Rocky with no morals.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pmpgw:
He is also a very public figure (he was on the Today show this morning with Teresa). Is John Kerry posting here? If so, I would not resort to personal attacks either. Perhaps you are not understanding the difference?
March 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pmJakeOff,
March 26th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThat’s about as funny as you making fun of Elizabeth Edwards. How much is KKKarl paying mindless trolls nowadays? I hope it’s more than your Social Security monthly check.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — March 26, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
TMM,
I stand by what I have said in the past. I have not seen it. Just because I have not seen it does not mean it has not happened. I conceded that point long ago. I can only speak from my experience.
Also consider this, the ARMY is accused of deploying seriously wounded, not the MARINE CORPS. I am in the Marine Corps, not the Army (there is a difference). I have not yet seen a report of the Marine Corps doing it.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:17 pmJake sez:
dlet, would you like me to repost the admission form? ^_^
March 26th, 2007 at 2:17 pmBut in the real world, not the libby world, you get back up like a true warrior. At least, conservatives do.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmComment by firemyhead — March 26, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Says our true conservative warrior, as he battles safely behind his computer screen (engaging in the battle of the minds, to which he is losing badly)
“But in the real world, not the libby world, you get back up like a true warrior. At least, conservatives do.
Comment by firehead — March 26, 2007 @ 2:11 pm”
That’s because while they have been working, they have been ripping off their employer for all they can so when they are fired they have enough stuff to sell to survive on until they can get a new job.
The Dem’s believe in being fair and honest, for the most part, and believe in earning what you obtain. So when they are let go from a job, they don’t have all that stolen loot to fall back on to help them make it until the next job opportunity comes up.
That’s the difference!!!! We believe in being FAIR you believe in only worrying about YOURSELF!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmmaking fun of a veteran is okay if you’re polite!!
Comment by pgw — March 26, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Being a Vet around here gives no one special privilage. People slam me and I am currently serving!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI just want to know if I’m on the IGNORE LIST â„¢. I’ve been doing my best to ignore Jake-off, but I don’t know if he’s been officially ignoring me.
Of course, when I WAS engaging him, he routinely ignored the points I was making, and he routinely ignored logic, so maybe the IGNORE LIST â„¢ is irrelevant anyway.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:20 pm…had a blister …once ….cutting brush…gutted it out… (until the cameras left)
March 26th, 2007 at 2:20 pmwhat’s great about sending pregnant women into combat is that they count as two soldiers! this is how bush is filling the lack of troops problem. Right Jake? fireant? Sorry jake i forgot I’m on THE LIST. why don’t you be a man like fireant? he stands up to us libs, at least when he’s hiding behind a keyboard.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:20 pm“We believe in being FAIR you believe in only worrying about YOURSELF!”
Sorry, but it should read “The Dems”, as I am a independant……
I got caught up in the typing and just stuck myself in there without thinking….
March 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — March 26, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Depends on how many zygots there are, doesn’t it?
And, since neo-christians want to define human beings at the fertilized egg stage, all these embryos are forced into conscription without their informed consent. Seems to me to be a 13th Amendment issue.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmDo the pregnant troops count as one, or two, each? ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
It depends on if she is carrying one, twins, or triplets. Hey, wait! THAT’S how they are artificially inflating the troop numbers! We’re on to ‘em now!
You gotta get back up and fight. That’s the conservative way. Comment by firehead
So, firehead, get back up and fight even if you are bleeding out of a femoral artery, on the verge of losing a limb? Just tell ‘em “Get up soldier, crying’s for wussies?”
March 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmFunny, I was told conservative meant being filthy rich letting the little person fight your wars for you.
Am I the only one who has figured out that “Jake” is the troll formerly known as “mighty aphrodite”?
Why you all keep responding to it is beyond me. Some sort of sadomasochistic urge I guess.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pmZimzone:
I’ve never made fun of Elizabeth Edwards — in fact, I posted we should be praying for her on the very first thread about her recurrance — I also have never been paid for posting here, but you are getting very close to “personal attack” territory . . .
P.S. KRank: you are NOT on the “Ignore List” – let me know if you want to be (there’s no “form” to fill out).
March 26th, 2007 at 2:27 pmBriseadh – I think that the theocons actually consider sperm cells to be potential christians.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pm#5 – Ben Dover,
March 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmDon’t spread any raw rumors about Jake having his frontal lobe removed, Jake had a brain scan and found nothing.
“Perhaps you are not understanding the difference?”
the bottom line is that he is a veteran, and you made a stupid comment about an injury he suffered in combat. maybe if he was latino, you could repeat something like a funny little name that you read somewhere else, and then try and avoid responsibility for repeating that name by pointing fingers. how civil!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmdlet, would you like me to repost the admission form? ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Wow. This is a complicated process. Can’t I just call Jake a crochety old a**hole and be done with it. I thought I made my thoughts of him clear before but apparently he has trouble with reading too many corrections of his bullsiht.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pma soldier who is not in top physical condition for their particular job would put other troops in danger!
have you ever even HEARD of the term “logic�
Comment by hil — March 26, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Puhlease – Jake KNOWS for a FACT that injured soldiers don’t put other troops in danger. Only homosexuals do that. He got that from both the White House and Fox News so it’s abosolute. You keep this up you’re going to be on the Ignore List, Pronto!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:31 pmIf you persist in spewing your disingenuous filth on this site, I’ll persist in debunking you and making you look even more like a horse’s ass than you manage to do on your own.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
I think that would defy several laws of physics.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pmActually, the Onion has uncovered the real reason there were injured troops redeployed.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmjake, just a suggestion, you can tell fireant to tell me I’m on the list and you don’t like me anymore. that way you don’t violate the ignore part of your ignore list. you could also ask fireant to ask angie if she likes you. she told me she thinks you’re dreamy.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmAllow me to clear that up then, pgw. For the record, inclusion on MY “Ignore List” for personal attacks relates only to personal attacks against ME when I have never engaged in personal attacks against you. However, since I am not debating Kerry, or even Gonzales, I reserve the right to level personal attacks at public figures (it’s called politics, get used to it).
March 26th, 2007 at 2:34 pmhacker bob,
if you are currently serving then by defintion you are not a vet. unless you are a horse proctoligist, which explains why you defend bush so much.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmJake sez:
Almost there, Zimzone…if you follow up with an observation of Shakey Jake’s poor reading comprehension, you’re a shoe-in for The List â„¢!
While it is possible to get on The List â„¢ by merely asking, or just asking Jake questions he can’t answer, submitting the form is a much more thorough way of insuring you get on The List â„¢ and stay there.
KRank, if you’d like, I can post my copy of the form for your use.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThis makes you disingenuous at best (espacially when you resort to fallacious debate techniques – and moreso with each occourance of same). The really bad part of your “oppose them at every opportunity†technique is that it weakens the debate for all od us. In addition, it makes you look like a world-class A-hole.
Comment by smafdy — March 26, 2007 @ 1:56
Oh you are in trouble mister. Jake thinks fallacious is a DIRTY WORD. You know what that means, even if you hadn’t made the A-hole comment you are LIST-worthy.
That means you will be OUT-OF-THE-JAKE-LOOP.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pmGasp.
Am I the only one who has figured out that “Jake” is the troll formerly known as “mightee aphroditee”?
Why you all keep responding to it is beyond me. Some sort of sadomasochistic urge I guess.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:38 pmdlet:
Of course if you call me “a crochety old a**hole” you can be included — as I said, sorry if I missed that before but I do have a life outside of TP — or, you could simply ask politely and I will include you on the “Ignore List” as well.
Proud Dem:
I don’t think you’ve ever insulted me — do you have any questions for me?
March 26th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe army needs severely injured soldiers, convicts, unfit recruits, the mentally disabled and others to make their head counts. Its like the Dirty Dozen x 2500.
Comment by dlet — March 26, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Hey if mentally disabled, convicts, and unfit is good enough for the White House…well you know
March 26th, 2007 at 2:38 pm“if you are currently serving then by defintion you are not a vet. unless you are a horse proctoligist, which explains why you defend bush so much.
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — March 26, 2007 @ 2:35 pm”
Shhhhhhh…….
Your gonna upset that great thinking…….
He’ll have to go and ask his great leader whether he is a Vet or not….. Bush will then go…..
“hehehehe, You just tell them that I said you were….. I’m the decider and I decided that you are a vet.”
This is coming from a REAL Vet!
Though I am NOT in anyway degrading this persons military service, only his thinking. When a person is so entagled into a PARTY rather than the country, they can no longer think for themselves.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmMore Republican family values: sending pregnant women into combat.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmInjured soldiers have been ORDERED into battle in every major war we’ve fought — I am including John Kerry’s scratch, for instance ; )
Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
So have the ELDERLY. Reup you chest thumping, manchild bufoon. Let’s go. You can post here from Iraq you war-mongering idiot.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pm“it’s called politics”
making a joke about a veteran getting injured in combat is politics? i guess that plays well on the golf course.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:43 pm#55 shane,
already made it! it was the highlight of my lunch hour :)
March 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pmBut in the real world, not the libby world, you get back up like a true warrior. At least, conservatives do.
Comment by firehead — March 26, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Good – go grab Jake by the hand and reup like the macho man you are. Son’t sit here telling us about what other soldiers should do. Do it. Or do you want to be like us wimply liberals who don’t believe in war?
March 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pmFor the record, the following posters were the impetus for the “Ignore List” because of their actual cursing (”fallacious” is not a curse word IMO) instead of debating: Spudge_Boy, RemoveBush, SayWhi, jeff, and smafdy.
If anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) has any questions about that, let me know. Also, I would also urge any lurkers out there to subscribe to the LATimes — I just heard back from their reader rep that Don Rumsfeld has been invited to be a guest editor (although they have not yet heard back from him).
March 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by bob (not the hacker) — March 26, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
1.Please show me defending Bush.
2. vet·er·an Show Spelled Pronunciation[vet-er-uhn, ve-truhn] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who has had long service or experience in an occupation, office, or the like: a veteran of the police force; a veteran of many sports competitions. (14 years of service qualifies me as long experianced)
2. a person who has served in a military force, esp. one who has fought in a war: a Vietnam veteran. (2 tours in Iraq check this block)
–adjective 3. (of soldiers) having had service or experience in warfare: veteran troops. (see #2)
4. experienced through long service or practice; having served for a long period: a veteran member of Congress. (See #1)
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of veterans.
You can be a Veteran and still be in the service.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pmpgw:
So, if I think awarding Kerry multiple Purple Hearts was the joke, what am I allowed to post then?
March 26th, 2007 at 2:49 pmOf course, when I WAS engaging him, he routinely ignored the points I was making, and he routinely ignored logic, so maybe the IGNORE LIST â„¢ is irrelevant anyway.
Comment by KRank — March 26, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
No that was Jake’s ignoring you because he doesn’t have an answer.
His Ignore List is Jake ignoring also because he doesn’t have an anwer but even if he did he wouldn’t answer you anyway.
You can see the difference.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:49 pmComment by RemoveBush — March 26, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Gee, you really missed the mark on that one. Maybe if you actually knew where I stood on things you would have a clue.
And you military resume, If I may ask? After all, you are a REAL Vet.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pm50. Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
LIAR!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:51 pmYippyyyyyy……
I made the list!!!!!
OK boys….. Beers are on me!
March 26th, 2007 at 2:51 pmWouldn’t you just love to see a few rightwing DNS candyasses on patrol in Baghdad?
March 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pmBriseadh – I think that the theocons actually consider sperm cells to be potential christians.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — March 26, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Or potential soldiers. “Quick go capture that sperm, it’s trying to go AWOL!”
March 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pm“You can be a Veteran and still be in the service.
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 2:47 pm”
WRONG!!!!
“2. a person who has served in a military force”
Serving is NOT considered a veteran…. They are considered ACTIVE DUTY!!!!
I challenge you to go to the VA and try to get medical service….. Tell them your a “Vet” and see what they tell you!
Sorry to break it to you, but you are NOT a Veteran. You are an ACTIVE DUTY soldier….
Your definition terms do NOT apply to the Military, and never have! Once you have your DD214, then you become a Veteran. You don’t receive that until your ETS……..
March 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmyou’re allowed to post whatever you want, no matter how willfully ignorant, cliche, disingenuous, intelectually dishonest, racist, or just plain stupid. if you want to make comments that berate veterans because those veterans are democrats, you can do that too. more power to you. party before country.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“And you military resume, If I may ask? After all, you are a REAL Vet.
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 2:50 pm”
Sure….
35L until around 1990 when they changed it to 68L. (Avionics Equipment Repairer).
Last post attached to….. Fort Drum NY. 10th Mountain.
March 26th, 2007 at 2:57 pmalready made it! it was the highlight of my lunch hour :)
Comment by hil — March 26, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
You go girl. And you got the Ignore List Nod and everything. Some of us got on the list without all the hoopla.
Lucky, lucky, lucky!
March 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmFor the record, I have never posted as “mightee aphroditee†and, if I ever post to you, but you would rather be on my “Ignore “List” — just let me know — no reason to be uncivil instead. It makes my job a lot easier.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmJake
I don’t think I’m on the list so is it OK if I post you a question?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmBy these postings alone, Jake’s cavalier callousness reveals him not so much a man as a monster, one of the many soulless ciphers and apparathiks down through history who’s words and lack of action served to enable crimes against humanity, a man as equally impressive for his slavishy buffoonish devotion to his ‘tribe’ as he is for his breathlessly vapid mediocrity.
Jake truly is a ‘man’ of our time.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pmActually, pgw, several of my posts explaining Executive Privilege have been removed by TP. Again, if you’d rather be on my “Ignore List” just let me know.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pmJake DOES sound like Mightee Aphroditee. Hmmm.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pmSo, if I think awarding Kerry multiple Purple Hearts was the joke, what am I allowed to post then?
Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
You are allowed to post photographs of you obvious head injury.
Unless as most of us think it was caused by a frontal lobotomy, then medical records will be sufficient.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI’d would LOVE LOVE LOVE to be on your IGNORE list, Jake, you pathetic little ignoramus.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmComment by RemoveBush — March 26, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
I had a brother in law with 10th Mtn at Drum in the early 90s. Thanks for serving.
3. (of soldiers) having had service or experience in warfare
4. experienced through long service or practice
There are two example where you are wrong. But I will not belabour the point.
And just to nit-pic
Sorry to break it to you, but you are NOT a Veteran. You are an ACTIVE DUTY soldier….
No, I am an Active Duty Marine, there is a difference.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:06 pmno reason to be uncivil instead. It makes my job a lot easier.
Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Just as there was no reason for you to denigrate Kerry’s Purple Heart but you chose to any way. We have decided you are so clever we will follow your example.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:08 pmProud Dem:
I don’t think you’ve ever insulted me — do you have any questions for me?
Comment by Jake
Not yet, Jake. But even if I did, I think some lurkers out there would call me a panderer (or something similar) like they did at the end of last week. So, no, no questions as yet.
(Heaven forbid some of us try to have civilized conversations around here – /sarc)
March 26th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIn case anyone needed an object lesson in why trolls suck, this thread is perfect. The vast majority (no, I’m not going to count them) of posts are (a) from Jake, (b) responding to Jake or (c) commenting on Jake (and, yes, I recognize that this post falls fairly easily into c). TP may as well re-title the post “All About Jake”. I’m sure he’s tickled to death to have all this attention, but the actual point of the original post has been completely lost. Trolls love negative attention. Otherwise, why be a troll?
So, ask yourself: do you really want to give Jake all this attention, or do you want to discuss the state of the State?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pmhacker bob sez:
So…it’s possible to simultaneously be an Active Duty Marine and a Vet?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:14 pmor do you want to discuss the state of the State?
Comment by gummitch
In a nutshell: with Bush in office, it sucks wind, and it won’t get better until we get rid of Cheney, Chimpy, Rove and all his cronys.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:19 pmUKBristolDave and Proud Dem:
As long as you return the same courtesy, I will always answer your questions in a civil manner.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — March 26, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Active Duty Marine…Veteran of the “War” in Iraq
March 26th, 2007 at 3:22 pmseveral of my posts explaining Executive Privilege have been removed by TP. Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
What are your qualifications for being able to explain Executive Privilege?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe long range (permanent) damage to the U.S. military’s viability…
…as an alternative to other types of work or post secondary education…
…after this criminal regime is done…
…is going to be catastrophic…
…no longer will America’s best and brightest want to enlist…
…and ONLY the drug addled, troubled, emotionally scarred, and educably mentally unstable…
…will be making up the ranks of the POST-Bushite All Volunteer Military…
March 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmComment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Get your marching orders yet?
After all, Bush is sending in “Les Invalides” now.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:34 pmLooks like Webb wants a piece of the action. Webb is my new hero for packing on Fed property. Man you gotta love those protecting our 2nd Amendment.
SENATE STAFFER BUSTED FOR CARRYING WEBB’S LOADED GUN… Phillip Thompson, executive assistant to Senator James Webb (D-VA ), has been arrested by Capitol Hill Police on Monday for ‘inadvertently’ holding the senator’s loaded gun, according to a person close to the investigation. A Senate staffer reports that Thompson was arrested for carrying the gun in a bag through security into a Senate office building while the Senator was parking his car. Thompson was booked for carrying a pistol without a license (CPWL) and for possessing unregistered ammunition. According to congressional rules, congressmen and senators, not staff, are allowed to have a gun on federal property. Developing…
March 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmNOT on Jake’s Ignore List – yet:
I don’t make appeals to authority in my debating — besides, posting personal information is against the Terms of Use agreement — next question?
Roger_Roger:
Let’s make sure we prosecute the staffer though ; )
March 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — March 26, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Sorry babe, I already told you I am not going back this round.
BTW, I’m still sleeping great at night:), so I guess you served your purpose
March 26th, 2007 at 3:44 pmre hacker bob,
you’re playing semantic games here. I worked in the oilfields in wyo for five years, while I’m a veteran of the oil patch, I am in no way a vet in the commonly understood meaning of the word as it’s being used here. was in the boy scouts, does that qualify me as a vet? i hope not. like women, does that make me a lesbian? I doubt it, yet, by using part of the defintion, i am. (yes i know that’s some flawed logic, but you get my point.)
thanks for your continued service, stay healthy, and I hope your fellow marines come home from iraq soon.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmLying Abouth The Dead
An extraordinary story appeared once this morning on BBC News 24, and then was buried.
The BBC World Service has obtained a leaked document. It is an official appraisal by British government scientists across government departments, commissioned by 10 Downing Street, of the study published by the Lancet that estimated 655,000 dead in Iraq. The appraisal says that the methodology is correct and that the study “follows best practice”.
Astonishingly, the official DFID verdict was that 655,000 dead is “If anything, an underestimate”.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:49 pmHell just sending a healthy person to Fort Irwin is bad enough.
No American citizen should be forced to visit or drive through Barstow.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThink Progress unfortunetely is Jakes only Friend
March 26th, 2007 at 3:50 pmInjured soldiers have been ORDERED into battle in every major war we’ve fought —
Comment by Jerk — March 26, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
March 26th, 2007 at 3:52 pmInjured soldiers have been ORDERED into battle in every major war we’ve fought —
Comment by Jerk — March 26, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
Problem is chucklehead, this ain’t a “major war”.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“And just to nit-pic
Sorry to break it to you, but you are NOT a Veteran. You are an ACTIVE DUTY soldier….
No, I am an Active Duty Marine, there is a difference.
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 3:06 pm”
Well…. To use your own words… “and just to nit-pic”…..
You are in the branch of the Service as a Marine, but you are an Active Duty Soldier.
Just as a Navy or Air Force Active Military is considered a Soldier. The word “Soldier” is uncompassing all Military personnel, as I understand it.
Thanks for your military service as well….
March 26th, 2007 at 3:52 pm#85,
I had to use the alternate spelling (using “ee”) because TP censors/deletes any post with the previous spelling. Which might explain why you had to change your screen name.
Also, I most surely am on your “List of Ignorance” because I have called you out as the liar that you are. Please abide by your own “rules” and ignore my posts. I have no inclination or desire to discuss any issues with a known liar. I do not wish for my participation to aid in the least the advancement of your dubious motives.
I post this only to help expose the farce so that the topics will be less polluted with misinformation and deception.
Good riddance.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmComment by bob (not the hacker) — March 26, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Thanks for the well wishes on behalf of my deployed brothers and sisters.
I was only using the precise meaning of the word to make a point to someone else. You may have gotten hit in the crossfire.
March 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmToo bad this ain’t a major war, huh Joke?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pmNo American citizen should be forced to visit or drive through Barstow.
Comment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS — March 26, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pmre #114
no cross fire here, just words. While we all go back and forth, round and round, good people are getting hurt. marines, soldiers, civilians and for what?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by RemoveBush — March 26, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Dude, lighten up. I was having some fun with you. Marines and sailors do not usually like to be called Soldiers and more than a Soldier would like to be called a Sailor.
I will try this again r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w for you.
Soldiers=land operations
Airmen=aviation operations
Sailors=sea/naval operations
Marines=all of the above
Do you see the distinction? This is not to discredit anyone because all branches need the others for mutual support. One team, one fight.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:05 pmand for what?
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — March 26, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Stupidity, vanity, pride,………..
March 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pmFor the record, my denials that I have ever posted here under any other name — or any other claim I am “lying” — just because someone who is on the “Ignore List” brings it up, should in no manner be taken, and is not intended, as a direct response to said person but rather for the benefit of those NOT on the “Ignore List”. If they, or any lurker, has any specific question on the topic at hand or whether I am lying, please let me know.
We now return to your regularly scheduled pogrom.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWe now return to your regularly scheduled pogrom.
Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
First funny thing I’ve heard you say.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pmComment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS — March 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Ummm….What? Can you put that in English?
March 26th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIsn’t it refreshing to see that Dubya and his NeoCon Chickenhawk buddies treat the troops like so many broken-down Humvees and have about the same amount of respect for them too.
Why do the REPUGS hate our troops?????
March 26th, 2007 at 4:11 pm#121 It might be a malicious rootkit or TCP/IP stack on those hosts.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:12 pmUmmm….What? Can you put that in English?
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
:|
Disregard pleaz.
I was attempting to determine something.
So what, are you like a cab driver or something?
March 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pm#121 It might be a malicious rootkit or TCP/IP stack on those hosts.
Comment by Dreary Urbanite — March 26, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Nope. Thats not the correct answer but don’t worry about it. I was just trying to see something.
It is not a problem or anything I am having.
It was just a test balloon.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pm“Dude, lighten up. I was having some fun with you. Marines and sailors do not usually like to be called Soldiers and more than a Soldier would like to be called a Sailor.
I will try this again r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w for you.
Soldiers=land operations
Airmen=aviation operations
Sailors=sea/naval operations
Marines=all of the above
Do you see the distinction? This is not to discredit anyone because all branches need the others for mutual support. One team, one fight.
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 4:05 pm”
I’m not getting upset aout this……
I am just pointing out that your definition of “vet” was not correct. I touched on the “Marine” comment after the “vet” comment……
What in my posts did I seem to not be “calm”?
Perhaps I should have Phrased my comment better???
Oh, well….. Enough said about that (in a Forrest Gump Voice)…..
March 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by The Artist Formerly Known as WORFEUS — March 26, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
I get it, like I figured.
Actually, a little troll gave me the nic-name a couple of months ago, so I ran with it. I do web-stuff, not networks stuff. In short, I build it, but don’t ask me how it works.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI’m wearing lacy undies.
Comment by Jake
Thought you all might like this post I copied from another thread on TP. Looks like ol’ Jake has been holding out on us!!
March 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by RemoveBush — March 26, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
You just sound like a very serious person, thats all
March 26th, 2007 at 4:19 pmhey Bob!!
March 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pmHow’s the SharePoint training goin?
and on another note, how bout the intel on the Iranian bombing attack scheduled for Good Friday?
Comment by RUCerious — March 26, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
How’s the SharePoint training goin?
Still reading up on it, thanks to you.
and on another note, how bout the intel on the Iranian bombing attack scheduled for Good Friday?
Well, it is such a well kept secret that we don’t know anything about it. No chatter, no briefs, no warnings. But you know how it is, we just pull these things of without prior planning.
March 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmSorry babe, [do always refer to males as "babe"? Does that violate "don't ask, don't tell"?] I already told you I am not going back this round. [I wouldn't be so sure with Bush still running the show, even if you had it in writing.]
BTW, I’m still sleeping great at night:), so I guess you served your purpose [You and I both know there's more you need to deal with than just sleeping at night. You and I both know you have not even come close to facing your fears. Have you ever become your breath?]
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
March 26th, 2007 at 5:00 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — March 26, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
No, but on really cold days I see my breath…
Once, I got hold of something bad and felt like a became a carrot. Does that count?
March 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmI’m wearing lacy undies.
Comment by Jake
Thought you all might like this post I copied from another thread on TP. Looks like ol’ Jake has been holding out on us!!
Comment by upside00 — March 26, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Looks like Rudy’s found his running mate.
:|
Or just his mate.
March 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pmhacker-bob.
March 26th, 2007 at 7:47 pmThe elite of the Army go to the US Military Academy.
The elite of Navy go to the US Naval Academy
The elite of the Air Force go to the US Air Force Academy.
The elite of the Marines go to the US Naval Academy.
The elite of the Merchant Marines go to the Merchant Marine Academy.
This leads us to classifying each of the services thusly:
Army – Military
Navy – Navals
Air Force – Air Force
Marines – Navals
Merchant Marine – Merchant Marines
I do not see any soldiers in any of the IDs.
Ah Yes, THE IMAGE MUST BE KEPT UP AT ALL COSTS—-WHAT ARE THE LIVES OR HEALTH OF A “FEW” SOLDIERS(sarcasm…….. YOU DAMNABLE SOCIOPATHIC MURDERING CRIMINAL Bushland Uber Allies FASCIST-NAZI MONSTER SCUM-SHITS!!!!!
March 26th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by WaltTheMan — March 26, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
The elite of the Army go to the
US Military AcademyGreen Berets.The elite of Navy go to the
US Naval AcademyBUDS School (SEaL Training)The elite of the Air Force go to the
US Air Force AcademyAir Force Combat Controller School.The elite of the Marines go to the
US Naval AcademyMarine Force Recon.All which are part of the Special Forces Command (along with Rangers and Delta)
Now that the first part has been corrected.
Those wishing to be Commissioned Office in the Army go to the US Military Academy (But it is not required, any B.S. Degree will work).
The wishing to be Commissioned Office in the Navy go to the US Naval Academy (But it is not required, any B.S. Degree will work)
The wishing to be Commissioned Office in the the Air Force go to the US Air Force Academy (But it is not required, any B.S. Degree will work).
The wishing to be Commissioned Office in the the Marines go to the US Naval Academy (But it is not required, any B.S. Degree will work).
The wishing to be Commissioned Office in the the Merchant Marines go to the Merchant Marine Academy (But it is not required, any B.S. Degree will work).
This leads us to classifying each of the services thusly:
Army – Military
Navy – Navals
Air Force – Air Force
Marines – Navals
Merchant Marine – Merchant Marines
I do not see any soldiers in any of the IDs
An individual in the Army is called a Soldier.
An individual in the Navy is called a Sailor.
An individual in the Air Force is called an Airman.
An individual in the Marine Corps is called a Marine.
An individual in the Merchant Marine is called a Merchant Marine
There is a distinction. Mainly because of the job they do.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:00 pmOnce, I got hold of something bad and felt like a became a carrot. Does that count?
Comment by hacker bob — March 26, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
I am not being facetious. You know I see behind your mask…to places you are not yet ready to go.
When you are ready, let me know. I will help. You will then be able to help others in ways you have not yet dreamed possible.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:58 pm#139 – hacker bob,
March 26th, 2007 at 11:01 pmBy ‘elite’ I did not mean fighting capability, but big bucks. If Powell had attended West Texas A&M at El Paso, I doubt that he would have achieved General Rank from its ROTC program.You spent a lot of time on your rebutal and I am truely sorry for that, but I was only trying to point out that verbal carnage is not the way to distinguish our fighting men and women. Each of them places their life on the line. The elite in our military are choosen at the time they graduate from High School.