Gonzales Says He May ‘Find Out’ That Attorneys Were Purged For Political Reasons
Gonzales Says He May ‘Find Out’ That Attorneys Were Purged For Political Reasons
In an interview tonight, NBC News’ Pete Williams asked Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a simple question: “Can you be certain that none of these U.S. Attorneys were put on that list [to be fired] for improper reasons?”
Gonzales wouldn’t give a straight answer, and in fact left open the possibility that attorneys were fired for partisan politics. “If I find out that, in fact, any of these decisions were motivated, the recommendations to me were motivated for improper reasons to interfere with the public corruption case, there will be swift and — there will be swift and decisive action. I can assure you that.”
Gonzales also suggested that other evidence of his personal involvement in the firings may come to light. “[T]here may have been other conversations [I had] about specifically about the performance of US attorneys” that I don’t remember, he said.
Watch it:
Gonzales bemoaned critics who are questioning his credibility. “Let me begin with the attacks on my credibility, which really have pained me and my family. You know, I have grown up — I grew up with nothing but my integrity.” This coming from a man whose early career as counsel to then-Gov. George W. Bush included helping to get Bush excused from jury duty, “a situation that could have required the governor to disclose his then-secret 1976 conviction for drunken driving in Maine.”
Read the full transcript HERE.
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Oh man, I'm laughing my ass off.
March 26th, 2007 at 8:59 pmMAN I really do not like that guy!!!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:01 pmIts like Torquemada discovering that some of the people he saw in court may have been tortured... oh wait....
March 26th, 2007 at 9:03 pmGonzo's playing "Hide the Canoli."
He's got sugar all over his fingers....
March 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pmHe's trying to get the fly paper off his fingers. How insulting. Fact is Bush decided in 2004 that since he was reelected he could do whatever he wanted.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pmAmerica wants a refund and real justice and the Democrats better deliver it.
“If I find out that, in fact, any of these decisions were motivated, the recommendations to me were motivated for improper reasons to interfere with the public corruption case, there will be swift and — there will be swift and decisive action. I can assure you that.â€
Let's start with your resignation you fascist!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:05 pmBwahhhh-HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:10 pm" I grew up with nothing but my integrity."
-Dam, he was a whole lot poorer than he thought.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:10 pmIntegrity.
Gonzo, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means....
March 26th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWhen will Fredo fall on his sword? What's the Vegas line?
March 26th, 2007 at 9:13 pmChalk one up for the prosecution:
Terror suspect pleads guilty at Gitmo
March 26th, 2007 at 9:14 pm"It's really very simple. See, first, you shoot the arrow, then you just draw the bullseye around it."
March 26th, 2007 at 9:18 pmEgypt is following Bush's lead:
One of the most controversial amendments, Article 179, gives the president [of Egypt] new powers to refer terrorist cases to any judicial authority he chooses - including military tribunals whose verdicts are not subject to appeal.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:18 pmThe part of Fredo Corleone will be played by Alberto "Seedy" Gonzales:
Fredo Corleone:
It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!
-GSD
March 26th, 2007 at 9:19 pmBriseadh na Faire,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no appeal of, or overturning, a guilty plea, right?
March 26th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIMPEACH HIM ALREADY!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:22 pmThey all have double standards.
"May find out..." DON'T MAKE ME F*CKING LAUGH OUT LOUD, GONZO, YA LYING CREEP!!!!! WHAT AN OILY, DETESTABLE PIPSQUEAK GREASER YA ARE----ARE YOU PURSING YA LIPS TO GIVE ANOTHER BLOWJOB TO A repugnant-repub CON-gressman or SENNA-tor IN HOPES OF RAISING YA SUPPORT----THE PHOTO ACCOMPANYING THIS POST SURE LOOKS LIKE YA ARE!!!!! WHAT A DAMNED THING YA ARE, GONZO THE CLOWN!!!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:26 pmmore news that TP is ignoring, this, regarding the Lancet study which reported 655,000 deaths in Iraq due to Bush:
March 26th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Since Gonzales grew up with "nothing but his integrity" he clearly has destroyed what little of it Karl Rove let him use. Alberto Gonzales will let us all find out what the Attorney General does when he needs a lawyer.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:27 pmre #11
March 26th, 2007 at 9:28 pmIt's a shame we can't trust the plea since bush admits to torturing people. We're really not safe, any of ius.
I doubt that the lying bastard can "remember' what credibility is.
The "Twinkie" defense was bad enough but the "I don't remember" defense is scraping the bottom of the barrel. They did help themselves just as Tricky Dick did: they can forget just as soon as they destroy the record.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pmUnder Bush's Military Commissions Act, the only appeals allowed are to challenge procedural due process. No appeals are permissible regarding evidentiary rulings, including the admission of evidence elicited under torture. Presumably, if a guilty plea was obtained as a result of torture, that evidence would be barred from being heard on appeal.
Welcome to America, the land of the free, where we can torture someone into pleading guilty, then sentence him or her to life in prison, or death.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:31 pmwhat a patsy. imagine him trying to turn this around on Rove? that would make for nice blood sport for sure.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWelcome to America, the land of the free, where we can torture someone into pleading guilty, then sentence him or her to life in prison, or death.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
We're living in a horror show....
March 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmComment by bob (not the hacker) — March 26, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
and crimes that were not war crimes may now be prosecuted under Bush's Military Commissions Act.
Give to a Charity...say, the Red Cross? Red Cross treats injured on all sides. Guess what? You've just given material support to the enemy. Velkommin to Amerika.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pm'You know, I have grown up — I grew up with nothing but my integrity' wow. hear that sound? it's horatio alger spinning in his grave. but wait, wasn't 'ragged dick' (insert your own cheney pun here) a peter lorre-sounding sycophant who watched over the worst train-wreck of an administartion in his time? ITMFA (but impeach cheney first)
March 26th, 2007 at 9:35 pmonly a complete loser would go to the "it hurts my family" card...but then he already played his "i'm doing it for the children" card.
next up: the "anyone who questions me is racist" card.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:37 pmIs "Gonzales" a Tejano slang for 'weasel'? Amazing how many people in this administration suffer from chronic memory deficit.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:37 pm"I grew up with nothing but my integrity.â€
This coming from a man whose early career as counsel to then-Gov. George W. Bush included helping to get Bush excused from jury duty, “a situation that could have required the governor to disclose his then-secret 1976 conviction for drunken driving in Maine.â€
Actually, with bush as his client, he had a duty to protect him, and this could justifiably include protecting him from having to disclose the drunk driving conviction.
From a lawyerly standpoint, he had a duty to his client, and arguably could be said to have low integrity if he *didn't* get bush out of jury duty.
But he's still a scum bag.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pmDon't ask, Don't tell:
So, if you get an unsolicited contact from a military recruiter, just remember, don't ask, don't tell!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pm#30 - Briseadh na Faire
There's a thread about that topic below. It's a doozy. Oy.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:43 pmGonzales Says He May ‘Find Out’ That Attorneys Were Purged For Political Reasons
Shouldn't he just open his Day Planner and go back a few months?
March 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pmIs this comedy at it's finest? The sad thing is that this is what we have as the Chief Attorney in the Nation?? Difficult to believe, isn't it?
Gonzo is bonzo and hasn't a clue about what day it even is - no less what he said and when. If his memory is that horrendous, then it's time he realizes that he cannot do the job! What has this idiot done since taking office?
Apparently, sleep walking is his forte??!!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:52 pmIts not just your integrity speedy gonzales. Youve made the whole world question Americas integrity and when you leave we'll have to strive to regain it.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:53 pmIs it ever Zooey Oy Vay!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:53 pm#29 Yes, as his client, he was trying to do the job he was paid to do. As a paid employee "OF THE PEOPLE", however, it is not Bush whom he now serves but the people. He's been working as a "dual fiduciary" which is a definite no-no.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI have grown up — I grew up with nothing but my integrity.â€
Oh yeah, well I grew up so poor that if I wasn't a boy I wouldn't have had anything to play with.
Rodney Dangerfield
March 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmEarth to Gonzales - Earth to Gonzales - he may "find out" that he was more involved than he remembers being??? Hello?? Hello?? Anyone home - lights on but dimly lit - and apparently absolutely no one is home in that noggin' of his.
This admission makes him appear even more inept and unqualified to be Attorney General than even the now more obvious complicity in the wrongdoing in his own department.
Time for all of them to go - and no american would miss any one of them....Gonzales, Rice, Cheney & Bush! Adios!
March 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmIs it ever Zooey Oy Vay!
Comment by Jim Wolf359
For once it wasn't me.
--Innocent bystander Zoo
March 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pm#27 I'm waiting for that one.
It's not going to fly well with a jury of his peers.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmBecause of Gonzales, Cheney & Bush and the continuing "soap opera" called the Bush Cabal, this country has lost all credibility in the world view. Now they have no credibility nationally. Nothing at all is left now.
March 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pm#27 Can you believe how this hack immediately pulled the "children card" first thing? Everyone I know was laughing their butts off. So predictably slime~!
Now he's using the "hurting my family" card. Does he really believe that Americans are buying his total lack of insincerity? Total ineptitude?
March 26th, 2007 at 9:59 pmTotal loser!
31 thanks. That's what I get for teaching all day...I miss some of the best threads.
399 posts already...there any trolls left for me to slay on that one?
March 26th, 2007 at 10:00 pmAdios, Gonzales! Don't let the door to the white house hit your ass on the way out! Good riddance to another bad rubbish who has tarnished the integrity of this once-great country.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:01 pm399 posts already…there any trolls left for me to slay on that one?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
howsad has run away!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pmNo one would be very surprised to learn that there was political motivation in the firings, would they.
Only thing is that Gonzales means remember, not learn.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:04 pmGonzales better start working on an insanity defense. If I were him I call a press conference and would dress up like a leprechaun and shit in a Jello-mold while singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
-GSD
March 26th, 2007 at 10:04 pm"If...uh...I find out that I participated in these discussions without my knowledge...then there will be swift, decisive action! That's right...I'll fire someone below me! Because the one thing I sold...I mean...had...I mean have...is my integrity!"
March 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmOn the other hand he may be totally honest, just has a mind like a steel sieve.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pm".... and I have met my Peter Principle, like so many Bushies before me. I have arrived. My godfather, George, will protect me. He needs me.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:06 pmBy watching the interview on TV, it was obvious that Gonzales was a lying sack. He is lying.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:06 pmComment by GSD
That's classic.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pm#47 GSD
March 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmROTFLOL
And we all thought Bernie Kerik was Two-Pint Caligula's horse. It was Torquemada all the time. I'll go to the foot of our stairs as my granny used to say.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmI know I'm getting into this thread late, but this comment made me laugh out loud:
He’s trying to get the fly paper off his fingers.
Comment by jeff — March 26, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
Man, what a perfect visual image of this guy at this point in time.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmGonzales better start working on an insanity defense. If I were him I call a press conference and would dress up like a leprechaun and shit in a Jello-mold while singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
-GSD
I've gotta get my cable back....
March 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pmGeorge Bush : "I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."
Bush: "If someone committed crime, they will no longer work in my administration."
Ahhh, that was then, this is now.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmHow many weeks has this been going on and Gonzo hasn't even figured out what he knows and doesn't know.
The man should be arrested for aggravated mopery immediately.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:16 pmAlberto Gonzales passed the bar in 1982, he has been going in ever since.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:16 pmCaption Contest (upagainst the fly-paper comment):
Now so far my pile of bullshit is only this big....
March 26th, 2007 at 10:17 pmGonzales will likely redefine lying, so that lying isn't really lying unless it causes immediate organ failure or death or some such....
And, what the heck...Gonzales is the Attorney General. What's he gonna do, prosecute himself? If he isn't gonna resign, and Congress lacks the cajones to impeach his a$$, we're stuck with him for the rest of Bush's reign!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pmCaption Contest:
We know where the 18 days of emails are: they are to the east west, north and south somewhat...
March 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pmCaption Contest:
Chewbacca is a wookie - this makes no sense. You must acquit!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pm59:
:-)
I was concerned about passing the Bar, because I'm Scots. And the Scots have a difficult time passing any Bar!!!
THEN was the Moral Character test. If I didn't have the morals to become a lawyer, I'd have to be a Congressman!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pmcaption contest:
roll 'em up, roll 'em up
and THROW them in the pan!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pmSo AG Gonzales is more that willing to throw another couple of people under the bus while proclaiming his own innocence because he has no memory of it. Yeah, right.
If he didn't remember the correct response under oath would have been "I don't recall" rather than giving a knowledgeable sounding response that turns out to be totally false. If there is an intent to deceive under oath it is called perjury.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThese guys just never stop lowering the bar. The new talking point is "if someone tried to interfere with a public corruption case there will be action." Of course if someone just tried to, say, bring bogus charges against Democrats or purge minority voters or just let investigations against Republicans die on the vine, then hey no foul! There is only one crime that counts and its the one they didn't commit. (except for in Guam and elsewhere, but that doesn't count.) All other "crimes" are just politics as normal.
From his talkng points, I think the next story in this scandal lies in who's getting the USA jobs, not who's losing them, and what they are supposed to deliver in 08.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmIs it just me or is this thread troll free...... Not even a Jake the snake to be found......
March 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmTHEN was the Moral Character test. If I didn’t have the morals to become a lawyer, I’d have to be a Congressman!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Oy. I bet that was a squeaker. :D
March 26th, 2007 at 10:25 pmGonzo has no problem passing gas.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:27 pmJake is working on his breath freshener.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:30 pmBlaming his staff, loss of memory, the family issue, yadda yadda yadda .. the right wing defense playbook .. AGAIN !!!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pmAh well - Turtle needs to shut down for 5 hours. Doors shut....heading north....
March 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmGonzo and King George suffer the same affliction: breathing while dumb. That malady is, unfortunately, a mandatory requirement for membership in the Rethuglican Party.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:35 pmCaption contest:
This is how my mamacita taught me to fold a burrito, I think.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:37 pmAh well - Turtle needs to shut down for 5 hours. Doors shut….heading north….
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Take care....and mind the shell. :)
March 26th, 2007 at 10:37 pm"You know I'm not aware of obstructing justice. Let me be more precise...I have no recollection of obstructing justice, though I can't definitely rule it out, because there may be other conversations that I did or did not have.
Did I mention that I used to be poor and am still a Hispanic?"
March 26th, 2007 at 10:38 pmTake care….and mind the shell. :)
Comment by Zooey — March 26, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Think he uses Turtlewax?
March 26th, 2007 at 10:42 pmThink he uses Turtlewax?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
He must. When he and his hundreds of brothers & sisters were running down the beach in Costa Rica -- they moved like the wind.....
:D
March 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmWell, I see everybody has moved here. If you're interested, I left the detailed list of the HR580 naysayers back on the previous thread where they belong. Anyway, after summing up the distribution, it was interesting to see how the votes fell:
So here we have over half of the naysayers concentrated in eight massively red-a$$ states. Can we call them the anti-Justice states. Yeah, I think so, except it is surprising to see California in this list.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pm"I grew up with nothing but my integrity -- and now I have everything except integrity.......Ain't that America!" --Gonzo
March 26th, 2007 at 10:49 pm"There's a lot of work that needs to be done around our country," Gonzales said.
Sooo...how's that investigation into Mark Foley going?
March 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pmWasn't he accused of violating a federal internet stalking law he helped write? Were charges ever filed?
Jake is off the clock. How many 75 year olds quit at 5:00? He/She is an imposter. MA/VV reincarnation? Think about it, has anyone here seen them in the same room together?? ANYONE?
Gonzo is an embarrassment to his race and to his family. That is not a racist comment, but a people who are struggling to fit and and not be marginalized, and then have that little Tio Tomas suck up for Boy George, that has to hurt.
Jello mold, man that was funny!
March 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pm"protecting our kids"
O yeah, the big porno scare. That is such a scam.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmstonehinge,
California is a large and diverse state. One district elected Pombo, remember.
Then there's Bakersfield, which collectively is to the right of Rush Limpbaugh. And Orange County has long been a Republican Stronghold.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmtime for John Stewart, followed by the Colbert Report....
March 26th, 2007 at 10:56 pmHe's depicting how he is hugging a small child made of tar.
March 26th, 2007 at 10:56 pmHey Gonzo,
I grew up with only my integrity. After surviving lung cancer for 4 years and being fired 3 months after my operation, that's all I have left. Should I feel sorry for you? I don't think so.
Peace, and most of all LOVE,
PeeJ
Colossians 3:23
March 26th, 2007 at 10:56 pmI grew up with nothing but my integrity
Which obviously is not much to brag about.
No wonder Gonzales has no qualms in lowering the bar for his Dear (mis)Leader: he doesn't know any different.
I bet he still thinks he has done nothing wrong -even after advising Pres Bush on the "quaint" nature of the Geneva Conventions. Such is the nature of his "integrity".
March 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmWhat an odious statement to make after they shamefully attacked the credibility of those eight USA attorneys.
I'd bet that also pained them and their families.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmHey! GSD, did you ever work with a group called The Aristocrats? Excellent. sick, but excellent...CFF
March 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmWhat do you call an act like that?
The Aristocrats!
Wonderfully sick joke. :D
March 26th, 2007 at 11:26 pmNow comes the race card defense. David Iglesias is a minority who worked his way up to and was illegally fired by Gonzo. I guess the race card only works with Bushies when needed. Since Gonzo has been AG he can't remember about his family roots but now he uses their hardship. Like most criminals next he'll say he was abused as a child or he worked the fields and walk up hill 20 miles to school. Save the sorry story for the movie. Gonzo lied and worked with Rove to set up a system to brake the law. Now I wonder how he will explain why he and his deputy didn't file charges again officers in a Texas boy camp as the officers were rapping the kids. Yes proof of the rapes but Gonzo wouldn't charge anyone. Didn't he say he was going to protect the kids. I guess he's like Fingers Foley and uses the system to abuse kids as his follow GOP sit back and do nothing.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:31 pmThe child abuse goes all the way to the top. It always does in power structures - the same kind of sickos who like to abuse children, like to abuse power in any situation.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:42 pmMexico has been working on a case involving a GOVERNOR who is under investigation for participating in a child abduction and abuse case.
And Mexico and Texas are right next door...
So to hell with protecting the kids. If you want your child protected, you'd better do it yourself. The people in power don't care.
Zooey, I think I recall you saying once you were a lawyer, if so what is your take on the Federalist Society?
March 26th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSolution: Buy bushco for it's true value and sell it to the Saudis for what bushco thinks it is worth. We can pay off the Bush deficit and the Saudis can feed a lot of camels. Substitute Gonzo for bushco, Mexico for Sauris, and burros for camels; KKKarl for Gonzo, France for Mexico, pansys for burros; The Dick for KKKarl, Congress for France, quail for pansys; DUHbya for The Dick, Hilary for Congress, Americans for quail.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:46 pmZooey, I think I recall you saying once you were a lawyer, if so what is your take on the Federalist Society?
Comment by Zep Tepi
What did I say to piss you off? :D
No Zep, I'm not a lawyer. I used to wrangle 'em for a living, and now I'm a full time college student -- Sociology, not law.
Briseadh na Faire is the man for that question -- he's a shiny brand new attorney. :)
March 26th, 2007 at 11:49 pmFor any lurkers out there, the Federalist Society is a legitimate student organization that challenged the perceived orthodox American liberal ideology found in most law schools. The Federalist Society states that it is founded on the principles that "the state exists to preserve freedom," that "the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution," and that the duty of the judicial branch is "to say what the law is, not what the law should be."
The Society currently has chapters at approximately 180 United States law schools, including all of those U.S. News & World Report ranks among the top 20. The Society also boasts a membership of over 20,000 practicing attorneys (organized as "alumni chapters" within the Society's "Lawyers Division") in sixty cities. The Federalist Society serves as a parent organization for conservatives and libertarians who are interested in the current state of the legal order.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:50 pmSKdeA & Jackie Rawlings... Spot on!
March 26th, 2007 at 11:54 pmOh you didn't do anyting, LOL [8^P
I remember you speaking about lawyers, I guess... I was reading about them, as I think Jake fits the bill.
As the Society grew in influence, it grew in wealth. A year after founding the first student chapters in 1982 at Yale and University of Chicago law schools, student leaders received $25,000 for their first national symposium, the seed money coming from the Institute for Educational Affairs, overseen by the influential neoconservatives William Simon and Irving Kristol. By 1998, the annual contribution total had soared a hundredfold to $2,600,000-
March 26th, 2007 at 11:54 pmhttp://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0003.landay.html
Gonzales uses his 'hardship' like a shield. Hardship doesn't have some intrinsic property or magical powers that elevate the holder to sainthood. If the were the case, Gonzo's 'hardships' would have taught him not to be kiss ass and take responsibility for his decisions.
Gonzo should petition Harvard Law for a full refund of his tuition, as the institution clearly failed to teach him anything about the law.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:56 pmAs our Chief Justice John Roberts stated during his confirmation hearing, I do not recall being a member of the Federalist Society ; )
March 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmThe Federalist Society is yet another front for free range corporatism. They bore me.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYeh, but aren't they the ones behind the unitary executove theory??
Why do you hate the constitution Jake?
March 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pm#98 Yes, Jake, the Federalist society ISN'T a right wing partisan group of lawyers and judges with the likes of Scalia and Alito as members. You can't paint them as neutral observers, Jakey. They are hitmen.
March 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmZep,
It appears Jake is all a-twitter over the Federalist Society, so it can't be good. Heh.
Apparently, we are being addressed as "lurkers."
So silly....
I've been here for at least two years, how about you, Lurker Zep?
--Lurker Zoo
March 27th, 2007 at 12:00 amJPark:
I said CONSERVATIVES and libertarians.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:01 amJake,
The "lurkers out there" also know how to use the wikipedia to find the very same information you posted here -word for word.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:01 amto find out if someone is a member of the federalist society is fairly easy; simply say "bork" aloud and see who starts crying.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:02 amSince lurkers, by definition, do not post -- I do not know whether they could look up information or not.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:03 amThe “lurkers out there†also know how to use the wikipedia to find the very same information you posted here -word for word. Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 27, 2007 @ 12:01 am
All except the word "legitimate", Jake added that to address the *credibility* issue of himself, the organization, and Justice Roberts. But then again, what CON doesn't have a "credibility-gap"?
March 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amSince lurkers, by definition, do not post — I do not know whether they could look up information or not.
Comment by Jake
So why are you talking to the ether, Jake? That's a little kooky, isn't it?
March 27th, 2007 at 12:06 am“the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution,†-Jake
But that's whats being abrogated by these CONS. Government has grown under them, not shrunk. Sure they call themselves Conservatives but they have become but Uber neo-liberals.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:06 am#107 You also said legitimate.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:08 amI do not know whether they could look up information or not.
Comment by Jake — March 27, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Not everyone is as dense as you. I don't know anyone with access to "the internets" who doesn't know how to use "the google" or the wikipedia.
Post a link or at least credit your bloody source next time. What you did is terribly poor etiquette. Not that I am surprised in the least.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:09 amSince lurkers, by definition, do not post — I do not know whether they could look up information or not.
Comment by Jake
So you just assume they are not smart enough to read for themselves?
Very assuming of you Jake.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:09 amNot everyone avoids evidence of truth as much as you.
Project much?
Gonzales also vetted clemency petitions from the condemned and offered recommendations to Gov. Bush. No mercy. 152 were executed. Odell Barnes was actually innocent. Bush wouldn't listen. The Pope asked Gov.Bush to show mercy in some cases and grant a life sentence.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:10 amSince lurkers, by definition, do not post — I do not know whether they could look up information or not.
Comment by Jake
I lurk more than I post. =) Jake and I know about computers and the 'tubes'
March 27th, 2007 at 12:10 amSo why are you talking to the ether, Jake? That’s a little kooky, isn’t it?
Comment by Zooey
LOL
Jake is alot Kooky......
=D
March 27th, 2007 at 12:11 amLOL
Jake is alot Kooky……
=D
Comment by Wayne
I'm a very generous person. :D
March 27th, 2007 at 12:17 amNot everyone is as dense as you. I don’t know anyone with access to “the internets†who doesn’t know how to use “the google†or the wikipedia.
Think he learned about them internet tubes from Ted Stevens? heh
Post a link or at least credit your bloody source next time.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I asked Jako that the first day, he is pretty lame about that.
Bet your on The List by now too =D
March 27th, 2007 at 12:18 amAlberto Gonzales is a LIAR.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:20 amAs always, I can tell you what made Jake what he is today:
He worked as a crash dummy for the NASA Rocket Sled program.
After each run they would scrape his brains off of the base of the sled into a bucket, turn him upside down, put a funnel into each nostril and pour them back in.
He still sloshes when he nods or shakes his head.
Every once in a while, the air relief valve at the back of his head malfunctions and a little grey matter drips out. Of late, no one notices any difference when that occurs. This phenomena has not occurred since November, 2006.
Jake’s golden retriever has entered some posts when he (Jake, not the dog) passes out. On those occasions, the posts seem more rational, hence the apparent schizoid behavior.
Jake recently had a brain scan - they found nothing.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:20 amWhat does any *lurker* really need to know about the Federalist Society? They believe that the government doesn't have the right to regulate the water, land and air quality. That's right folks. Jake and his friends believe that Corporations should have the right to poison Americans, and then prevent civil suits through their *tort-reform*. Jake and friends at the Federalist Society are about as Anti-American and anti-sane as any Al Qaeda terrorist. They just prefer to murder your children with dirty water, air and dangerous products. Let me guess Jake, you're a proud member of this *baby-killing* crew of lawyers?
Just look up "American Trucking v. EPA" to see one of their first *major* victories against the American public. They're the same people helping to fight the regulation of the Chemical industry - that would protect it from terrorist attacks. Tell me Jake, how long have you known you were a terrorist?
March 27th, 2007 at 12:22 amJake, with those statistics, I'd say the Federalist Society is simply inconsequential. I'd also suggest you take another look at the word liberal. Liberal dogma specifies that the state is to play hands-off with regards to economic regulation, a practice defined by the phrase laissez faire. If you have trouble with understanding that, I suggest you spend a few minutes reading an encyclopediashibboleth.
This is a progressive site, Jake, not a liberal site. Progressives recognize the existence of a commonwealth -- liberals/libertarians do not. Progressives believe that everyone has a stake in the commonwealth -- liberals/libertarians believe you get to keep everything you can steal. Progressives believe that society should reflect principles of compassion and respect for the value of each individual, regardless of wealth or social standing -- liberals/libertarians care about themselves and their friends and couldn't give a rat's a$$hole about those who do not fit into their little groups.
That pretty much makes you and George and Gonzo a liberal. Isn't it a shame to wake up and realize that you've been had?
Liberals/libertarians cannot be Christians, Jake. Liberals/libertarians cannot be Muslims, Jake. Liberals/libertarians can only be Pharisees.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:25 am#124 I am sure Jakey would be surprised to know that the Federalist Society is just as extremist as he is.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:26 amComment by Wayne — March 27, 2007 @ 12:18 am
lol -I think I've been in that famous list for a while now.
Not that it hurts my ego to have a water-carrier extraordinaire put me in his Do Not Reply list.
Pitiful troll.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:27 amWhat is this crap? Is Gonzales such an idiot to think America is that stupid to fall for that line?
March 27th, 2007 at 12:27 am#127 Yes, the American public has fallen for more ridiculous lines.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:30 amWelp I'm gonna sign off GN Zooey and all.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:31 amGoodnight, Zep. I'm outta here, too.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:32 amGeez, SWhenever I deliver the truth about Jake, it disappears a few minutes later!
March 27th, 2007 at 12:33 amAs our Chief Justice John Roberts stated during his confirmation hearing, I do not recall being a member of the Federalist Society ; )
Comment by Jake
That would make you both less than honest now if you are backing Roberts
Roberts Listed in Federalist Society '97-98 Directory
Isn't that special.
Is it Possible We have an untruthfull Chief Justice?
Judges have been impeached for just appearances of impropriaty
March 27th, 2007 at 12:34 am#131 The truth is elusive, Walt. Let me help. He is a moronic toad that couldn't find its ass if it were given a head start, two hands and an incredibly talented nose.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:36 amWoops, I Left out a tag closure. After encyclopedia, I had:
The fact that you refer to this site as a liberal institution simply telegraphs your abject state of ignorance to every member who has ever bothered to educate themselves with regard to the history of political ideas. Basically, Limbaugh has played you for the fool. Admittedly, we rarely ever explain the difference -- it makes such a fine shibboleth.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:38 amYeah, I'm sure that he will immediately and swiftly decide to cover it up.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:40 am#132 Either our troll is a liar or the Chief Justice is. I seem to remember Roberts saying he was a member of the Federalist Society (doesn't mean he isn't a liar but it does prove Jakey is.)
March 27th, 2007 at 12:40 am"Gonzales bemoaned critics who are questioning his credibility. “Let me begin with the attacks on my credibility, which really have pained me and my family."
Imagine the TEARS when you're hanged for warcrimes, Gonzo.
(I imagine even a few 'Allahu Akbars' on that day).
March 27th, 2007 at 12:43 amActually, after Googling I find that Roberts did deny being in the Federalist Society. He lied. You ok with that, Jakey? A lying sack of shit as a Chief Justice? Actually, don't bother answering, I am sure you are fine with it.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:45 am#137 There are only a few who would shed tears when he got his just desserts.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:47 amActually, after Googling I find that Roberts did deny being in the Federalist Society. He lied. You ok with that, Jakey? A lying sack of shit as a Chief Justice? Actually, don’t bother answering, I am sure you are fine with it.
Comment by JPark
Yeppers =)
From the article I linked above:
Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts Jr. has repeatedly said that he has no memory of belonging to the Federalist Society, but his name appears in the influential, conservative legal organization's 1997-1998 leadership directory.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:49 amJPark,
March 27th, 2007 at 12:49 amIt appears that my ID has been blocked.
It appears that my ID has been blocked.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:51 am#141 That is not cool. That prick Jake can post but you can't???
March 27th, 2007 at 12:51 amHe's a disgrace. He needs to stop being the Attorney General.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:54 am#140 So, not only was he a member, he was a leader.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:56 am#144 Never thought I would miss Ashcroft.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:57 amRe: The Federalist Society:
Comment by Jake — March 26, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
As the body of law grew in the land of our forebearers in law, England, there came to be recognized that there is more to justice than just the King's law. And there arose the Courts of Equity, to do that which is right, whether or not proscribed by the law...that is, to say what the law ought to be. And thus was born the Common Law.
This was recognized in the 7th Amendment to the United States Constitution, "In suits at common law...the right to trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."
From the Federalist Society webpage:
I agree with the concepts of preserving freedom and the separation of governmental powers. However, I do not believe in the constraint placed upon the judicial branch, making it subservient to the other two.
If the law says a man is property, should the courts uphold that law? The Supreme Court did.
If the law says a black child and a white child cannot attend the same school, should the courts uphold that law? The Supreme Court did.
If the law says all people of a certain descent should be rounded up and placed into concentration camps, because we are at war, should the courts uphold that law? The Supreme Court did.
Years - decades later, the Supreme Court said it was wrong, and overturned those, and other, decisions. The law didn't change. But in hindsight, the Supreme Court gained the perspective to understand that the law was wrong and must be changed.
It is for that reason, for a truly independent judiciary, that I am not a member of the Federalist Society. And this whole episode with the politicization of the United States Attorneys General is another poignant reminder that those who serve the President instead of the Constitution do grievous damage to liberty, and justice.
Our government is made up of men and women, subject to all the temptations this world has to offer. Our Constitution is made up of ideas and ideals, set upon parchment, not stone, so that it may change and grow with this nation, using as its polestar the trust and belief in the people to govern themselves, not to be led as sheep, but to form the body politic wherein all peoples are created equal, and as such, deserve equity in liberty, justice, and opportunity.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:02 am#143 - JPark,
March 27th, 2007 at 1:03 amYou got it, I sent two posts, each of which failed to appear. I posted once using my spouses E-Mail address, but my old handle. I then posted twice using my and my spouse's E-Mail address., but using the changed handle. Both of the latter made it through.
Hey Jake,
I see KKKarl sent your ExLax this week! When is he going to help you with your prostate problem so you can quit pissing and moaning all over the threads?
March 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amsorry for the long post.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:08 am#150 Bnf, no apology necessary. It was a great post.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:11 am"#137 There are only a few who would shed tears when he got his just desserts." --JPark
√. I meant tears of joy.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:11 amsorry for the long post.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Was a good post.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:13 amWasn't that long.
#152 Ahhh. I am getting giddy tears just thinking about it!!
March 27th, 2007 at 1:13 amBnF, please accept my humble obeisances.
Perhaps we will one day find the pieces to the New Federalist Papers, right here on this site, scattered about amidst the rubble and the scat, shining like diamonds in a goat's a$$hole.
Thank you for all that you do.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:14 amWalt, if you're trying to figure out the comment server, good luck.
Copy all your comments before you click. This is a site where comments OFTEN do not go through on the first time. Usually I have to then change the wording to get it to accept text it claims has already appeared (when it hasn't, and won't). Don't take it personally.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:14 am#156 I am one of the more offensive people on this site and I never have problems with posting.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:17 am#156 Then again, nothing I say is conroversial, just vile.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:20 amJPark,
March 27th, 2007 at 1:20 amMy only opinion is that Jake is in the employ of TP as has a skin as thick as that of a scallion in November. To understand that, I was a Cub Scout and we used scallion skins to align the wheels of our matchbox derby cars. They were thin (less than a thousandth of an inch), natural and stable in water based resins (Bone glue (casein) in my time).
"liberals/libertarians believe you get to keep everything you can steal." --stonehinge
That's nonsense.
Liberal, "broad-minded, esp. not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms."
You are using the economic usage, which is not what we mean when we use the word.
Liberalism: "A political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties."
Progressivism is a form of liberalism in almost every case.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:23 am#158 Honestly, it would be a good move. I come back for the trolls. If I wanted to just get my news I would just use buzzflash.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:23 am#159 That guy is worthless. He equated liberals and libertarians. There are about 2 things the two share. Otherwise they have nothing in common.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:25 amComment by stonehinge — March 27, 2007 @ 1:14 am
I appreciate your bow of respect. namaste.
Please continue to pray that those who know of wrongdoing by the Bush Administration continue to come forward with testimony and evidence.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:28 amThe soros-podesta smear tank has unloaded. the robots cheer. resorting to smear indicates how shallow the criticism against Gonzo is...and coming from Clinton's team of professional liars, this attack makes thinkprog perception hardly a substitute for reality. "Could have" might as well be, "this paranoid idea comes from my big brown eye".
March 27th, 2007 at 1:32 amAfter hearing Gonzo's so called explanation it back fired. Every time he speaks he gets deeper in the lie. What was interesting is after watching Bud Cummins, David Iglesias and John McKay they are smarter then Al Gonzales. Al can't get the new lies right and he goes deeper in the old lies. Monica Goodling is doing the right thing by taking the 5th so she wont go to jail for perjury. Rove and Miers should do the same.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:47 amWho's going to protect the children as Fingers Foley had the job of protecting the kids while abusing them now Gonzales wont charge officers who molest children in Texas. Now are all the government protectors of kids abusing them?
Paul in LA,
I'm sorry, but it is time to clean out the stables, and the fastest way to do that is to fight back against the Newspeak. If you follow the link that I left, the one under encyclopedia, you will find that Liberal was never used in the sense you give until FDR twisted the meaning to cover the fact that his policies were blatantly socialistic, a word which was and still is strictly forbidden in the USA. This twisting, this artificial separation of economic thought from socio-political thought, is a major contributor to the power of the oligarchy today.
If you will think through this a bit, and spend a minute learning about the history of politics, I think you will see that we have an opportunity here to fight back against the Limbaughs and Coulters via the power of scorn and humiliation, buttressed by a superior understanding of political history. If you don't want to go that way, fine, but understand that what I have said is rigorously correct. And understand that this is the reason this is a Progressive site, not a Liberal site. The owners and editors certainly understand the reason they chose that description.
Perhaps we should discuss this in more detail. I'll look to see if you reply. Thanks for extending the discussion.
March 27th, 2007 at 1:48 amThe soros-podesta smear tank has unloaded. the robots cheer. Comment by PHINGA BHENG — March 27, 2007 @ 1:32 am
BAHAHA, that's so FUNNY!!! You smear, and project your actions on others!
resorting to smear indicates how shallow the criticism against Gonzo is…Comment by PHINGA BHENG — March 27, 2007 @ 1:32 am
It sure does - your smear indicates how shallow the criticism against progressives is!
and coming from Clinton’s team of professional liars, this attack makes thinkprog perception hardly a substitute for reality. Comment by PHINGA BHENG — March 27, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Substitute Clinton with *Bush*, and you have the *substitute* that brings back reality! Dum bass!!!
“Could have†might as well be, “this paranoid idea comes from my big brown eyeâ€. Comment by PHINGA BHENG — March 27, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Is that the big brown eye you simultaneously *see* from and sh*t this crap out of? BAHAHA, what a st*pid little twerp you are!!!
March 27th, 2007 at 2:00 amNothing like being called "robot" by a blind, loyal, Bush cult follower.
Except, perhaps, being insulted by the same dittohead while he complains about the smears as he fully embraces Coulter-style "punditry".
March 27th, 2007 at 2:13 amYes Gregor, it surely takes a robot to come up with a list like that. I especially want to congratulate TP for unwinding that drunken driving charge. And what is really interesting is Gonzo's interpretation of the Vienna Convention, for it is that kind of fraud which seems to define how Gonzo views the law...a recurring "signature" of this administrations headlong rush into fascism.
March 27th, 2007 at 2:34 amThis administration has mislead the American public time after time. we must put them under oath and hold them accountable for their lies. never forget how they used fear, uncertainty, and doubt to lead the American people into the worst foreign policy mistake in this nations history
click here to see the film short Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld : "The Masters of War"
March 27th, 2007 at 3:37 amAs others above have mentioned regarding Gonzo's race, it is a shame that when finally a hispanic climbs to unprecedented heights in government, he turns out to be corrupt and lets so many people down.
March 27th, 2007 at 4:42 amIt's kind of like if Jackie Robinson had hit .139 and stolen all the catcher's mitts in his rookie major league season.
Ahh. The ever-forgetful Republicans. They must be pre-programmed to erase certain memories under specific conditions. Bill Clinton came along and triggered some malfunction in their programming which caused them to ONLY remember everything relating to Bill Clinton and nothing else.
March 27th, 2007 at 4:44 amWhat a beautiful sight it is watching compassionately conservative "christians" like Gitmo Al twisting in the wind. My guess is he'll be former AG by Friday this week.
March 27th, 2007 at 6:21 amOh, for Heaven's sake, tomorrow's story of the day will likely be that "Bert" may discvover" that he is the father of Anna Nicole's child! If it weren't so tragic that these maggots have all but destroyed this country with the war, their astonishing incompetence and stupidity, and with their calculated rape of the treasury, the daily soap opera out of the White House would be hysterically funny...
March 27th, 2007 at 7:14 amGonzales is using the empty promise gambit so truthily played by his boss.
Bush pledge on CIA leak, Sept 30, 2003:
"And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of.
If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."
March 27th, 2007 at 7:29 amSign up now, boys and girls, for the Bush/Cheney cabal "Lie of the Day" club. For the simple price of your soul and your birthright as a citizen in a democracy under a Constitution and rule of law, you, too, can lie your stinking head off, day after day, each day's lie contradicting the lie of the day before. And you know what? The mainstream media will ignore it! The corporate owned whores in Congress will ignore it? And our soldiers will die in Iraq. 20% of our citizens will continue with no health insurance. And the police and all the intelligence agencies will be spying on your every word, your every financial activity. We don't need no stinkin' warrants. We don't need no stinkin' habeas corpus. We have our beloved leader Bush, and his dark master Darth Cheney.
March 27th, 2007 at 7:30 amHeckOf a Job Gonzor!!!!!
March 27th, 2007 at 8:03 amToo bad America is a giant that is not sleepimg anymore!
oh, Gonzo's poor family! my response: you should have thought of them before you... etc. etc.
in this interview we see the "I do not recall" defense emerging... get ready to hear Gonzo use that to explain his contradictory statements when appears before Congress in April...
March 27th, 2007 at 8:28 amGonzales has NO integrity ever since he tied into the criminal Bush family. His next ploy will be to say he grew up as a dirt poor Mexican boy and the press is being bigoted towards him.
March 27th, 2007 at 8:32 amIs it possible to "Find Out" something you already know for a fact?
March 27th, 2007 at 8:37 amGee, I hope that the voices in his head will soon inform him of his actions! Geez....what's going on here? What do we have as an Attorney General? He may FIND OUT that he was involved but doesn't KNOW right now if he was. What's up with that?
He's evidently "waiting" to be told what to say.....just as he has been from the start. He's a sycophantic "yesman" to Bush from 1976 and the DUI, that's evident. Now the people are discovering precisely what kind of 'stoolie' we really have in one of the most prestigious positions in the country.
Any wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at the US? Any wonder why even americans are laughing at this administration of smoke & mirrors? It's the new "comedy central" - Bush's white house.
March 27th, 2007 at 8:40 amIt's beginning to also be evident that Karl Rove-Reich's "perfect dream" is coming to fruition as the "nightmare on K Street" and the "Fall of the House of Bush". There will be so many books & movies coming down the pike. Bush has been pure fodder for the comedy skits - that's about all he's been, as it turns out.
March 27th, 2007 at 8:42 am#164 In George Orwell's 1984, all traditional definitions of words were reversed...that's what's happening in Bush's Administration...case in point, Bush's "Clean Air Act" which enabled polluters...and the list goes on. The people are just catching on to the chicanery which has been occurring over the past 6 years.
Yes, it was also evident from seeing Gonzales "in action" during hearings that his synaptic activity in his brain isn't occurring at the normal speed - I'd say that he may even be a bit mentally compromised by the quality and the content of his speech. Clearly, ANY attorney in the DOJ is "smarter than" Gonzales. It was very frightening to realize that this buffoon was placed in charge of the criminal justice system with only a cursory handle on the english language and an obviously handicapped mentality.
March 27th, 2007 at 8:46 am#173 Michael C: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of Bush's statements. Chalk that up to just a typical day in the life of a lying, corrupt president. He's lied so many times he makes Clinton's singular lie look like child's play - hah! When the states move toward impeachment, all of these lies and contradictory statements will be brought to the fore and he will be held accountable for his lies....unfortunately, the most significant lie had to do with the death of now 3,200 innocent patriots who were sent to fight for a war that was illegally based on Bush's lies......about AQ....about WMD....about 911.
March 27th, 2007 at 8:49 amThe cabinet post of Attorney General needs to be removed from under the authority of the president. Nixon used the position for a yes man stooge and Bush Junior has done the same thing. Attorney General should become an elected position or appointed by the Congress like Supreme Court Justices. NO more Gonzales flunkies!
March 27th, 2007 at 8:57 am#98 Jake said:
For any lurkers out there, the Federalist Society is a legitimate student organization that challenged the perceived orthodox American liberal ideology found in most law schools. The Federalist Society states that it is founded on the principles that “the state exists to preserve freedom,†that “the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution,†and that the duty of the judicial branch is “to say what the law is, not what the law should be.â€
And they're also in favour of cute little puppies and motherhood and the American Way, and deeply mourn the recent death of Captain America.
As far as saying "say[ing] what the law is, not what the law should be", that would be Boalt Hall perfessor (and advisor to the Federalist Society student chapter) John Yoo and his cute little memos on why torture is OK.
Clarence Thomas will not take any clerks that aren't FS, and the FS was in up to its eyeballs in the Starr witch hunt.
Strangely enough (actually not so strange, given Republican frothing nowadays about "supporting the troops" by getting them killed or wounded [if they're lucky enough to survive] only to be warehoused in mildewed, roach-infested dumps), the Federalist Society sports a profile on James Madison on their masthead. Madison would have been appalled at their hijinks. If anything, the FS is most closely aligned with the anti-Federalists that were fighting Madison during the constitutional conventions. And their most recent forbearers are the RW racist "states's rights!" folks like Strom Thurmond (who helped get Kenny Boy Starr apponted when the Republican Fiske had too much honour to do their dirty work). To these people, words and symbols are only tools; not to be honoured but to be used in any way possiblem even dishonestly.
That's your Federalist Society. Orwell knew their type.
Cheers,
March 27th, 2007 at 9:00 amWhen he was sworn in as Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales took an oath to protect and defend George W. Bush. Now it's time to pay the piper.
March 27th, 2007 at 9:01 amAnother day. Another Bush administration lie
March 27th, 2007 at 9:02 amA party can request a hearing (in federal or state court) to examine whether the party invoking the Fifth has done so properly. Goodling's attorney's letter does not provide a valid basis for invoking the Fifth. You can't invoke the Fifth to avoid perjury charges (or obstructing justice with the selfsame testimony). (I have the cases here, if you want them.) You can't invoke the Fifth because you think the Committee is on a witch hunt. Etc.
They shouldn't let Goodling get away with this. She either is refusing to providing testimony because she may be testifying about some crime she has previously committed (which is a valid reason for taking the Fifth) or she isn't. If she is, and a Judge so determines, then fine (and goodbye to her attorney's ridiculous GOP talking points), and if she isn't, she should be compelled to testify under subpoena.
The funny thing is she may be obstructing justice (protecting others) by refusing to testify under a bogus claim of needing to take the Fifth.
snip
Just watching this from the outside, it looks as though that is the bad act she's afraid to testify about or -- and somehow I find this more believeable -- she's afraid of indictment for perjury because she has to go up to Congress and testify under oath before the White House has decided what its story is. And yeah, I'd feel like I was in jeopardy then too.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013272.php
March 27th, 2007 at 9:05 amThe funny thing is she may be obstructing justice (protecting others) by refusing to testify under a bogus claim of needing to take the Fifth.
excellent point. The reasons for "taking the 5th" must be bona fide.
March 27th, 2007 at 9:17 amThey can't ever recall anything can they? Notice the creepy smile. Bush gets the same smile when he's lying.
March 27th, 2007 at 9:26 amteak:
Can you "recall" what you think Bush's most blatant "lie" is?
March 27th, 2007 at 9:59 amIncredible, Libeals crying about a Republican supposedly not having integrity.
You idiots certainly defended your god Clinton when it was finally brought to light that he has no integrity. The media even tried to help this pathetic fool by claiming that there are many occassions where it is ok to lie and deceive.
your poor liberals, whine all you want, but if you think Americans don't see your hypocrisy you are sadly mistaken.
Jay Randal, and don't forget that Carter and Clinton also used it for their political purpose. Take off the partisan glasses.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:03 amI would like a Democrat to explain why was it that the Democrat politicians went crazy, I mean crazy when the Executive Branch started investigating Congressman (D) William Jefferson from New Orleans. It was Pelosi, Kennedy, Murtha, Kerry, etc, etc, etc (you know the usual Democrat suspects) who screamed and cried seperations of power, even the media and the liberal blogs, cough, cough Thinkprogress.org and others claimed that it was a seperations of powers issue.
Now the tables are turned and all the same people that defended super, duper corrupt William Jefferson and called on seperations of powers to stop the FBI from investigating him are the ones that claim seperations of powers do not exist.
why the hypocrisy liberals and Democrats, why?
March 27th, 2007 at 10:10 am[...] missed a lot of the more ridiculous statements Alberto Gonzales made last night as I watched his laughably disingenuous interview on NBC Nightly News because, like any other time I see him speak on television, I can’t shake [...]
March 27th, 2007 at 10:11 amteak....I take it you were too young to remember when Clinton said over 200 times in his testimonies....
"I can't recall".
once again, what is good for Democrats it is good for Republicans.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:13 am[...] Watch Video [...]
March 27th, 2007 at 10:16 amAhhh, I love the smell of irony and hypocrisy in the morning. To have a sycophantic whore lecture us on partisanship is truly ironic. The trolls swarm at the behest of the queen ant KKKarl to defend the Bush administration and they dutifully obey. One little whiff of the pheremone from KKKarl's anus and they stand ready!
Did you legally change your name howsad, or was your Mommy prescient?
March 27th, 2007 at 10:17 amI hate to tell you that Clinton is loved all over the world and Old Bush is hated all over the world especially the USA. Old Bush has done nothing good for the world.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:26 amnanlichi,
the only irony and hypocrisy is coming from the left and liberals. It is you liberals who in 1990s defended the actions of your god Clinton, who supported him when he said, "I can't recall." you guys supported him when he invoked Executive Privilages. Most of you also claimed that if it was a Republican in the White House you would do the same.
Now, yes, the tables are turned and the Democrats in Congress want revenge for the 1990s and on and they have grabbed on to a non-story which the media and the Democrats are pushing.
both parties are being hypocrites, BOTH! the only partisan morons that I see is you and your liberal cohorts.
Democrats decried the tactics used by the Republicans in the 1990s and vowed not to use them against Republicans.
so much for expecting Democrats to keep their words.
anyway, I guarantee you that this is NOT going to go anywhere and the Karl Rove will never testify under oath.
Democrats are playing a dangerous political game here and if they lose, God help them.
but it is amusing to see how obssesed and hateful you liberals are towards Karl Rove.
your poor libbies, careful the boogey man is going to get you, Karl Rove is after you. He is actually reading your posts right now, stop typing, stop, Rove will send his military after you.
you poor paranoid liberals.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:26 amFor the lurkers, keep in mind that Adolph Hitler was "loved" all over Germany before WWII -- so we know that's not always a valid measurement.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amSo Jake was is your point?
March 27th, 2007 at 10:30 amJake,
actually many in Nazi Germany considered Hitler a god, much like Democrats and liberals view and hold Billy Boy Clinton as their god.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amIn the eyes of a true SS and lover of Nazi Germany, Hitle could do no wrong. Much like the liberals and Democrats believe that Clinton can do no wrong.
The same devotions that Democrats have towards their god Clinton is the same devotions that the Nazis had towards Hitler.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:40 amSorry Torture-boy.
Your credibility wouldn't be questioned if you'd just told the truth from the beginning.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:18 pmp.s. some germans thought that hitler was god's emissary in a time of national crisis - none ever thought him to be god.
just like some righty-fundy types in America today believe that bush was (can't contain laughter) "appointed by god" to lead america through the travails of muslim terrorism....
just goes to show how wildly deluded the populations of otherwise first-world countries can become when their leaders twist the truth on a daily basis.
in case anyone didn't appreciate this - a blowjob is about .0000000001% as serious as killing thousands upon thousands of people.
March 27th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHosad at 200: In the eyes of a true SS and lover of Nazi Germany, Hitle could do no wrong. Much like the liberals and Democrats believe that Clinton can do no wrong.
What a load of crap. I can come up with LOTS of things I think Clinton did wrong. Just for a start: reacting to the terrorist bombing of the Murra Federal Building by arrogating a whole bunch of new police powers to the Executive branch, at the expense of weakening civil rights protections. Now who does that remind me of....?
March 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThe same devotions that Democrats have towards their god Clinton is the same devotions that the Nazis had towards Hitler.
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What utter crap. I can think of dozens of things Clinton did wrong. Such as overreacting to the terrorist bombing of the Murra Federal Building by arrogating even more police powers to the Executive branch at the expense of weakening civil liberties. Now who does that remind me of...
March 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmshhhh - let howtard have his "episode".
textbook stuff being exhibited here.
much to learn about the minds of the deranged.
come on, howtard, tell us more - run us through the history of western civilization, why dontcha?
March 27th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWe need to get rid of the US Attorneys Old Bush put in place that the Congress did not approve of.
No I would not call Clinton my God. Clinton has done more for this world than Old Bushies will ever do. The only thing Bush has done is put us in a illegal war for OIL and make his cronies richer.
March 27th, 2007 at 2:38 pmMy post #138 made it back to the land of the living.
March 27th, 2007 at 2:44 pmAnd is gone again.
March 27th, 2007 at 2:59 pmGrowing up with integrity isn't easy, and it seems Gonzales didn't manage it.
March 27th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThis is a man soon to be without a job that is grabbing at straws...he's as good as gone!
March 27th, 2007 at 6:58 pmJust like Bush promised to fire those who leaked Valerie Plame's identity.
Alberto, your pants are on fire. You may want to look into that.
March 27th, 2007 at 8:51 pmMy post #138 made it back to the land of the living. I wonder if it will last more than 5 minutes from now.
March 27th, 2007 at 9:00 pmThe next scandal is related to the fact that there was a practice of using the Republican National Committee's email addresses to communicate about the firing of the USA-8. This was done to keep incriminating evidence off the White House email server. But the bastards are busted, and Henry Waxman has warned the RNC against destroying any emails on their server lest they face an obstruction of justice charge.
Read all about it at "Jack Abramoff is this generation's Alexander Butterfield" on the Schapira blog, What we know so far ...
"... and tell 'em Big Mitch sent ya!"
March 27th, 2007 at 10:33 pmMy #138 is gone again!
March 27th, 2007 at 10:39 pmAnd my post #138 is back - act fast!
March 27th, 2007 at 10:43 pmGone now!
March 28th, 2007 at 12:04 amBack?
March 28th, 2007 at 12:06 am