Comments on: FBI Director Suggests Goodling’s Fifth Amendment Decision Unprecedented http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:28:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: TSangrey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2806776 TSangrey Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:53:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2806776 To correct you all, Monica graduated from Messiah COLLEGE not Messiah U. And as a graduate and classmate who had several classes with her, I can tell you that the idea of her being involved in ANY wrong doing is absurd. I am curious though, you all seem to be near hysterics every time somone says Clinton did this or Clinton did that. (I personally agree, but only because I believe in leaving the past in the past.) How come though, you all are still blubbering over President Bush stealing elections? I am also curious how, if Bush is so stupid you all have not figured out how to nail him? HMMMMMMMM, wait wait I have got it, the great white satan himself KARL ROVE!!!! To correct you all, Monica graduated from Messiah COLLEGE not Messiah U. And as a graduate and classmate who had several classes with her, I can tell you that the idea of her being involved in ANY wrong doing is absurd.
I am curious though, you all seem to be near hysterics every time somone says Clinton did this or Clinton did that. (I personally agree, but only because I believe in leaving the past in the past.) How come though, you all are still blubbering over President Bush stealing elections? I am also curious how, if Bush is so stupid you all have not figured out how to nail him? HMMMMMMMM, wait wait I have got it, the great white satan himself KARL ROVE!!!!

]]> By: Donald Rumsfeld http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2721844 Donald Rumsfeld Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:09:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2721844 The only logical course is haul Monica Goodling down to Gitmo and keep her in stress positions until she confesses her crimes. Since she is guilty of attending the WhiteHouse training camp, then everyone she ahs had contact with at DOJ and the WhiteHouse should be held and interogated also. I'm sure Alberto would agree. The only logical course is haul Monica Goodling down to Gitmo and keep her in stress positions until she confesses her crimes. Since she is guilty of attending the WhiteHouse training camp, then everyone she ahs had contact with at DOJ and the WhiteHouse should be held and interogated also. I’m sure Alberto would agree.

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2715047 Parrotlover77 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:50:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2715047 The most amusing thing is that asserting your fifth amendment right against self-incrimination implies that you did, indeed, do something illegal. Now, legally, (IANAL, but this is how I understand it) you can't use the fifth amendment assertion to prove anything either way, but as sensible human beings watching or reading about this, it speaks volumes. This is really quite the last ditch effort. I can't wait until the truth actually comes out. Everybody has a price... The most amusing thing is that asserting your fifth amendment right against self-incrimination implies that you did, indeed, do something illegal. Now, legally, (IANAL, but this is how I understand it) you can’t use the fifth amendment assertion to prove anything either way, but as sensible human beings watching or reading about this, it speaks volumes. This is really quite the last ditch effort. I can’t wait until the truth actually comes out. Everybody has a price…

]]> By: kb_man http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2714993 kb_man Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:43:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2714993 The point of taking the 5th on ALL questions is to avoid giving the questioners any clues as to what crimes you may have committed. If they ask you 10 questions and the only one you refuse to answer is, "Did you steal Farmer Brown's apples?", chances are you did. Regarding the bigger picture here, Gonzo is gone. He may still be on life support, but there is no brain activity. Unfortunately, bu$h is still in denial and refuses to pull the plug - prolonging the agony for all involved ... EXCEPT US! God I love this. They are finally having the mask stripped away to expose their lying and criminal ways to the public at large. I also love the Messiah U / Regent Law School aspect. I wonder how the prospect of their most high profile graduate taking the fifth sits with Jerry and Pat - may they share adjoining suites in hell. Abu's problem now is that even if he weaves an interpretation of his words that lets him skate on the perjury issue, what it leaves as a cover story is not very compelling as a testament to his leadership at the Department of Justice. They keep saying that the USAs "serve at the pleasure of the president." Well if that is so, how is it that Gonzo's chief of staff and the DOJ-WH liaison get to decide to fire 8 USAs, going to Gonzo and bu$hie only for the final approval of a plan that they apparently never discussed prior to November 27th? Apparently Samson and Goodling just popped this on Gonzo and told him to sign off on it - and he did. Is this any way to administer justice? This is dereliction of his duties as a minimum. It's one thing to delegate day-to-day management issues. It's quite another to "delegate" controversial firings which are virtually unprecedented. Of course, this is all under the premise that Gonzo is telling the truth. A premise which is wearing thinner and thinner. The point of taking the 5th on ALL questions is to avoid giving the questioners any clues as to what crimes you may have committed. If they ask you 10 questions and the only one you refuse to answer is, “Did you steal Farmer Brown’s apples?”, chances are you did.

Regarding the bigger picture here, Gonzo is gone. He may still be on life support, but there is no brain activity. Unfortunately, bu$h is still in denial and refuses to pull the plug – prolonging the agony for all involved … EXCEPT US!

God I love this. They are finally having the mask stripped away to expose their lying and criminal ways to the public at large. I also love the Messiah U / Regent Law School aspect. I wonder how the prospect of their most high profile graduate taking the fifth sits with Jerry and Pat – may they share adjoining suites in hell.

Abu’s problem now is that even if he weaves an interpretation of his words that lets him skate on the perjury issue, what it leaves as a cover story is not very compelling as a testament to his leadership at the Department of Justice. They keep saying that the USAs “serve at the pleasure of the president.” Well if that is so, how is it that Gonzo’s chief of staff and the DOJ-WH liaison get to decide to fire 8 USAs, going to Gonzo and bu$hie only for the final approval of a plan that they apparently never discussed prior to November 27th? Apparently Samson and Goodling just popped this on Gonzo and told him to sign off on it – and he did. Is this any way to administer justice?

This is dereliction of his duties as a minimum. It’s one thing to delegate day-to-day management issues. It’s quite another to “delegate” controversial firings which are virtually unprecedented. Of course, this is all under the premise that Gonzo is telling the truth. A premise which is wearing thinner and thinner.

]]> By: Rhode Island’s Future » Whitehouse Questions Mueller on US Attorney-Gate http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2714853 Rhode Island’s Future » Whitehouse Questions Mueller on US Attorney-Gate Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:17:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2714853 [...] Think Progress - Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse continues to lead Democratic inquiries into the US Attorneys scandal and [...] [...] Think Progress – Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse continues to lead Democratic inquiries into the US Attorneys scandal and [...]

]]> By: Rocks911 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2711973 Rocks911 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:48:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2711973 Zep Tepi, Good questions. They wont be answered though, Christ666ian conservatives never consider grace given to those not like them, it would cause their head to implode. Zep Tepi,

Good questions. They wont be answered though, Christ666ian conservatives never consider grace given to those not like them, it would cause their head to implode.

]]> By: Hedley Lamarr http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2710967 Hedley Lamarr Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:56:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2710967 I love it when these toads have to lawyer up. Maybe the good folks at Messiah U. can chip in. I love it when these toads have to lawyer up.

Maybe the good folks at Messiah U. can chip in.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2700573 JPark Wed, 28 Mar 2007 03:39:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2700573 What is the rape joke? I must have missed it. What is the rape joke? I must have missed it.

]]> By: AkaDad http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2697652 AkaDad Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:28:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2697652 Kargo X has an interesting piece on "Inherent Contempt". <blockquote>Under the inherent contempt power, the individual is brought before the House or Senate by the Sergeant-at-Arms, tried at the bar of the body, and can be imprisoned.</blockquote> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/27/113945/241 Kargo X has an interesting piece on “Inherent Contempt”.

Under the inherent contempt power, the individual is brought before the House or Senate by the Sergeant-at-Arms, tried at the bar of the body, and can be imprisoned.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/27/113945/241

]]> By: Zep Tepi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2697430 Zep Tepi Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:22:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2697430 So Jack, Jesus died for Newts sins and not for Bills? Libby obstructed justice and you want him off the hook with a pardon. Haggard was cured and no Democratl can ever be cured for being Gay, Rush is forgiven for his addiction but no Democrat can ever be. Thats one messed up view of Jesus, HOW did you come to be the one that decides who is forgiven and who is not? So Jack, Jesus died for Newts sins and not for Bills?

Libby obstructed justice and you want him off the hook with a pardon.

Haggard was cured and no Democratl can ever be cured for being Gay, Rush is forgiven for his addiction but no Democrat can ever be.

Thats one messed up view of Jesus, HOW did you come to be the one that decides who is forgiven and who is not?

]]> By: JPV http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2696821 JPV Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:05:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2696821 <em>I thought it doesn’t matter what Clinton and other past Administrations had done? Comment by Jake</em> There you are! I was wondering what happened to you and your insipid... <em>"WAAAAHHHH!!!! MOMMY, MOMMY... CLINTON DID IT TOO!!! WAAAAHHHH!!!!"</em> I thought it doesn’t matter what Clinton and other past Administrations had done?

Comment by Jake

There you are! I was wondering what happened to you and your insipid…

“WAAAAHHHH!!!! MOMMY, MOMMY… CLINTON DID IT TOO!!! WAAAAHHHH!!!!”

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2696766 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:03:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2696766 <em> I know how the game works ; ) Comment by Jake — March 27, 2007 @ 9:05 pm</em> Criminals like you, usually do... I know how the game works ; )
Comment by Jake — March 27, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

Criminals like you, usually do…

]]> By: gah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2696181 gah Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:49:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2696181 fun: <i>Mcgrain v. Daugherty A landmark decision of the Supreme Court, McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135, 47 S.Ct. 319, 71 L.Ed. 580 (1927), recognized the implicit power of either House of Congress to hold a witness in a congressional investigation in contempt for a refusal to honor its summons or to respond to its questions. During the mid-1920s, there were numerous allegations that the Federal Department of Justice was being mismanaged by its administrator, Harry Daugherty, the attorney general of the United States. In response to the charges, the Senate passed a resolution that empowered an investigatory committee to hear evidence as to whether Daugherty failed to prosecute various violations of the antitrust laws. Mally S. Daugherty, who was a bank president as well as the brother of the attorney general, refused to respond to a subpoena that was issued by the committee on two occasions ordering him to appear and to bring designated bank ledgers. The president pro tempore of the Senate issued a warrant to his sergeant at arms that Mally Daugherty be taken into custody. [...]</i> http://www.answers.com/topic/mcgrain-v-daugherty fun:

Mcgrain v. Daugherty

A landmark decision of the Supreme Court, McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135, 47 S.Ct. 319, 71 L.Ed. 580 (1927), recognized the implicit power of either House of Congress to hold a witness in a congressional investigation in contempt for a refusal to honor its summons or to respond to its questions.

During the mid-1920s, there were numerous allegations that the Federal Department of Justice was being mismanaged by its administrator, Harry Daugherty, the attorney general of the United States. In response to the charges, the Senate passed a resolution that empowered an investigatory committee to hear evidence as to whether Daugherty failed to prosecute various violations of the antitrust laws. Mally S. Daugherty, who was a bank president as well as the brother of the attorney general, refused to respond to a subpoena that was issued by the committee on two occasions ordering him to appear and to bring designated bank ledgers. The president pro tempore of the Senate issued a warrant to his sergeant at arms that Mally Daugherty be taken into custody. [...]

http://www.answers.com/topic/mcgrain-v-daugherty

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2696126 VerbalKint Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:49:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2696126 I have a feeling this could be it for the gang. If you think about it, they had to try something like this. They have done so many wrong things and have so many skeletons to hide that they simply can't afford to lose power. But they can't even come close to winning an election fairly anymore. Karl needed to pull every trick in the book and a few more. He had to subvert the entire Justice department. His dream of establishing a corrupt, permanent one-party system is coming apart. I have a feeling this could be it for the gang. If you think about it, they had to try something like this. They have done so many wrong things and have so many skeletons to hide that they simply can’t afford to lose power. But they can’t even come close to winning an election fairly anymore. Karl needed to pull every trick in the book and a few more. He had to subvert the entire Justice department. His dream of establishing a corrupt, permanent one-party system is coming apart.

]]> By: Zep Tepi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2695767 Zep Tepi Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:40:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2695767 I know how the game works ; ) I misremembered and I do not recall, its fuzzy and unclear. I know how the game works ; )

I misremembered and I do not recall, its fuzzy and unclear.

]]> By: msfreeh http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2695533 msfreeh Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:34:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2695533 SUGGESTED WEB SITES AND VIDEOS www.911pressfortruth.com www.copvcia.com www.narconews.com www.okcbombing.org www.unansweredquestions.org www.911inquiry.org www.heatisonline.org www.whistleblowers.org www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html VIDEOS: WACO:RULES OF ENGAGEMENT SILENCED Jack Cashill THE GREAT DECEPTION Barry Zwicker TRUTH&LIES 911 Mike Ruppert AFTERMATH:UNANSWEREDQUESTIONS FBI agents arrested or sued in civil court for Pedophilia: Edward Rodgers former head of FBI Child Abuse Program John Conditt former head of FBI internal affairs investigations. SUGGESTED WEB SITES AND VIDEOS
http://www.911pressfortruth.com
http://www.copvcia.com
http://www.narconews.com
http://www.okcbombing.org
http://www.unansweredquestions.org
http://www.911inquiry.org
http://www.heatisonline.org
http://www.whistleblowers.org
http://www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html
VIDEOS:
WACO:RULES OF ENGAGEMENT
SILENCED Jack Cashill
THE GREAT DECEPTION Barry Zwicker
TRUTH&LIES 911 Mike Ruppert
AFTERMATH:UNANSWEREDQUESTIONS

FBI agents arrested or sued in civil court for Pedophilia:
Edward Rodgers former head of FBI Child Abuse Program

John Conditt former head of FBI internal affairs investigations.

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2695311 Briseadh na Faire Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:29:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2695311 Jake, there's a difference between police interrogations and testimony under oath. The inference here, by asserting the 5th prior to all testimony, is that she is in up to her ____ in criminal activities, most likely obstruction of justice and conspiring to obstruct justice, and she knows it. To say anything, anything at all, might open her up to criminal liability. My guess is she knows enough about who knew what and when that she wants full immunity from any prosecutions leading from her testimony. Remember, she was a low-level and loyal staffer who just saw her world implode with the release of the emails. And we still haven't seen the emails from those critical days. Of course, I'm just guessing. I could be wrong. Then again, <em>her Rune is Ansur : Wisdom, the Rune of communication and messages. It represents wisdom in all forms from interviews and examinations to research and personal histories.</em> Jake, there’s a difference between police interrogations and testimony under oath.

The inference here, by asserting the 5th prior to all testimony, is that she is in up to her ____ in criminal activities, most likely obstruction of justice and conspiring to obstruct justice, and she knows it. To say anything, anything at all, might open her up to criminal liability. My guess is she knows enough about who knew what and when that she wants full immunity from any prosecutions leading from her testimony. Remember, she was a low-level and loyal staffer who just saw her world implode with the release of the emails.

And we still haven’t seen the emails from those critical days.

Of course, I’m just guessing. I could be wrong.

Then again, her Rune is Ansur : Wisdom, the Rune of communication and messages. It represents wisdom in all forms from interviews and examinations to research and personal histories.

]]> By: Central Scrutinizer http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2695229 Central Scrutinizer Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:21:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2695229 <em>Zappa was way on to this crap a long time ago.</em> Comment by ForTruth — March 27, 2007 @ 8:52 pm Ayep, that's the zombie truth! <em>tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis</em> Zappa was way on to this crap a long time ago.

Comment by ForTruth — March 27, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

Ayep, that’s the zombie truth!

tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis

]]> By: Boko999 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2695017 Boko999 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:14:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2695017 I read somewhere that this Goodling woman is the current/ex? girlfriend of someone indicted/convicted? for political shenanigans at someother Federal Dept. Can someone help a forgetful old man.? I read somewhere that this Goodling woman is the current/ex? girlfriend of someone indicted/convicted? for political shenanigans at someother Federal Dept. Can someone help a forgetful old man.?

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/comment-page-1/#comment-2694676 Jake Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:05:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/27/mueller-goodling/#comment-2694676 For the record, if the witness answers the first couple questions, the argument could be made at a hearing that any subsequent questions have to be answered because the witness did not assert her Fifth Amendment rights to the prior questions -- I know how the game works ; ) For the record, if the witness answers the first couple questions, the argument could be made at a hearing that any subsequent questions have to be answered because the witness did not assert her Fifth Amendment rights to the prior questions — I know how the game works ; )

]]>