POLL: Only 29 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Working
POLL: Only 29 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Working
A new Gallup poll shows that only 29 percent of Americans believe the Iraq escalation is making the situation better. Another 43 percent say the escalation is “not making much difference,” and 22 percent say it is making conditions in Iraq worse.
In addition, fully 80 percent of Americans “endorse a requirement that U.S. troops meet strict readiness criteria before being deployed to Iraq,” while 60 percent “favor a timetable for withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq by fall 2008.”
Americans are right. A senior Bush administration official acknowledged recently to the Washington Post that “right now there is no trend” showing the escalation is working. While sectarian attacks in Baghdad are down, “deaths of Iraqi civilians and U.S. troops have increased outside the capital”:
If violence is down in Baghdad, analysts said, it is likely because the Shiite militias operating there are waiting out the buildup in U.S. troops, nearly all of whom are being deployed in the capital. At the same time, Sunni insurgents have escalated their operations elsewhere.
President Bush nevertheless insisted today that “the Iraqi people are beginning to see positive changes.” He cited “two Iraqi bloggers.”
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That’s the same 29% that still think Bush is working… Poor st*pid b*st*rds.
March 28th, 2007 at 8:55 pmOne word, Dufar…
March 28th, 2007 at 9:01 pmActually, the ones who see NO improvement are the poor fools who think the New York Times is a reputable newspaper…..Saps.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:01 pmWho are these 29%?
Oh, hi Mom & Dad….
**hanging head in shame**
March 28th, 2007 at 9:02 pm29%. Idiots.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:04 pmActually, the ones who see NO improvement are the poor fools who think the New York Times is a reputable newspaper…..Saps.
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Are you suggesting that the NY Times is the only source of news on Iraq? No, it can’t be that, because that makes no sense. Or are you that simple minded?
March 28th, 2007 at 9:06 pmAs bigpapa said,
We all know them…
March 28th, 2007 at 9:07 pmSurge still isn’t happy about this.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pmActually, the ones who see NO improvement are the poor fools who think the New York Times is a reputable newspaper…..Saps. Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Actually the poor fools, are those that don’t think the New York Times is a reputable newspaper….Sap.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI notice when Repukes don’t like the numbers, they must be bad.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:09 pmOr are you that simple minded?
Comment by VerbalKint — March 28, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
Yes, she IS that simple minded. When you’re that Anorexic, your brain mass decreases along with everything else.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:09 pmActually, the ones who see NO improvement are the poor fools who think the New York Times is a reputable newspaper…..Saps.
Comment by valiant venus
Oh, Haggie the Hagfish, please tell us who you think is a reputable newspaper — please!
And then tell us another funny story about your imaginary dead child. You know how they sicken us…
March 28th, 2007 at 9:11 pm“Only 29%”!? That is a lot of people!
It is that stubborn segment of the US population that still holds on to the belief that their Dear (mis)Leader will guide them to a bright, shining future; all evidence to the contrary be damned.
It doesn’t matter what Pres Bush does, they stand firm. And they all come to ThinkProgress to post their nonsense and their alternate version of reality.
::sigh::
March 28th, 2007 at 9:11 pmtroll math: 29% = half the country
March 28th, 2007 at 9:16 pmo please let’s not let vindictive vulva trash up an otherwise good thread – we all know what she’ll say, so let’s all pretend her posts aren’t appearing.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:16 pmi’d wager those 29% are 99% fox news watchers, who last read an entire book of over 200 pages (if they ever have at all) in high school, or as part of their GED program.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:17 pmtroll math: 29% = half the country
Comment by pgw
That must be the new trollie math.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:18 pmSpeaking of troll math and paraphrasing Rove:
The polls add up to a full support to Our Mission in Iraq.
You may end up with a different math, but you’re entitled to your math. We’re entitled to the math.
/sarcasm off
(the trolls at ThinkProgress firmly believe this statement is true, no doubt)
March 28th, 2007 at 9:23 pmyou’d think, after shipping them those planeloads of cash, they’d have been able to buy off more than two bloggers to lie on behalf of their countrymen about conditions in-country.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:24 pmwe are stuck at 29%
March 28th, 2007 at 9:30 pmsadly 29% of Americans seem to have permanent brain damage or are totally insane, if the trolls are representative of the group
The war in Iraq will never really be won. Who ever thought you could go into Iraq set up a democratic government and leave in 6 months is crazy.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:31 pmtroll math: 29% = half the country
Comment by pgw
That must be the new trollie math.
Comment by Zooey
The Rove Math
Remember Rove said the Democrats won’t win the house “because I have the math”
lmao
March 28th, 2007 at 9:33 pmOf course, even Bush’s harshest critics would agree that there might be a temporary drop in violence in Baghdad as the insurgents and the death squads hold back or move their activity to different parts of Iraq.
But using the Pentagon’s formula of one soldier for every 40 people in the population—-we would have to have over 600,000 troops there FOREVER. You are not going to get the American people to go along with that when they now see that Iraq was never a threat to begin with and it was all about taking their oil.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:37 pmKing George the Dumb must have felt right at home at the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association. Where else would his bull sheet be more appropriate?
March 28th, 2007 at 9:37 pm#3 valiant venus
You would think, with Bush getting to shoot off his mouth and lie to the country whenever he wants, and with Cheney doing the same, and with mighty Fox Noise and Limbaugh and GOP blowhards on all the talk shows chiming in, that they could swing the public their way even with a not-so-convincing argument.
Don’t blame it on the MSM, just because they stopped carrying water for Bush 24/7. People aren’t as dumb as you wish they were. They know they’ve been lied to and they just aren’t going to believe Bush anymore.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pmOh, hi Mom & Dad….
**hanging head in shame**
Comment by Zooey — March 28, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Hey you should be proud, you overcame, look at VV still following mom and dad.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:41 pmKing George the Dumb must have felt right at home at the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association. Where else would his bull sheet be more appropriate?
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — March 28, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Isn’t this the same group that sued Oprah and lost. And that’s where she met Dr. Phil, he was an “expert witness.” Outsmarted by Dr. Phil, that’s just scarey. That’s as tough an audience as he’s willing to face anymore, and even they didn’t get to ask questions.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:48 pmOn Rush today, he noted how the liberal MSM, which is part of this culture of death we have in America, is always reporting the number of deaths in Iraq.
But they never note that abortions have been dropping, as have gay marriages, and stem cell research.
What’s up with that?
March 28th, 2007 at 9:50 pmThe same 29% that believe that WMDs were found in Iraq, that Saddam ordered the 9/11 attack, and that Bush is the greatest President ever.
In other words this 29% are either idiots, are insane or are getting rich from the current administrations criminality and want the party to keep going.
Yeah, 29% sounds about right to me.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:52 pmWho are these 29%?
Oh, hi Mom & Dad….
**hanging head in shame**
Comment by Zooey — March 28, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Zoo – I bet you raised your kids to think for themselves. You have broken the cycle of lunacy. You should be proud!!!!!
March 28th, 2007 at 9:53 pmHey you should be proud, you overcame, look at VV still following mom and dad.
Comment by shane
Zoo – I bet you raised your kids to think for themselves. You have broken the cycle of lunacy. You should be proud!!!!!
Comment by Jules
Ya’ll are making me all weepy, here. You’re right, I can’t do anything about the old people, but yeah, my sons think for themselves — and they’re not in the 29%!
March 28th, 2007 at 9:57 pmIt is that stubborn segment of the US population that still holds on to the belief that their Dear (mis)Leader will guide them to a bright, shining future; all evidence to the contrary be damned.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 28, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
As someone who lives among many of them, I’ve seen them fall into a few different catagories. Around here:
There are the ultra rednecks who are under-educated, live within a 15 mile radius of everyone to whom they are related, think hunting is a sport, own clothing with the Rebel Flag emblazened upon it, and believe with every fiber of tehir being that anyone and everyone who isn’t exactly like them (Southern Baptist) deserves to be called names and kicked out of this country.
There are the draft-dodging good ol’ boys who know that the only reason they have any credibility or power or seat on the BOE is because the GOP knows how to monger fear to their advantage. Sadly, some of these people are women…
There are the Southern blacks who think blindly supporting anyone waving a Bible is what their god wants them to do. They can’t go three or four words without prasing the Lord in some capacity.
Ex-military uber-macho men who are most likely either repressing their homosexuality or compensating for some very short comings. They sport crew cuts, spit Copenhagen and love to say ’shit’ a lot. They think they are Patriotic…
And finally, the nouveau riche who own McMansions and drive Hummers because they are ’safer’.
March 28th, 2007 at 9:59 pmI don’t give a s$it.
The liberal media keeps telling Americans we lost in Iraq even though we are winning and the surge is working. You can blame scumbag leftwing bomb throwers like Brian Williams for this poll.
Americans are being duped by the liberal media. It’s sad that only 29% of Amerians believe in victory. You can chalk that up to Pelosi.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:03 pmWell how long do ya spect it to take?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:06 pmComment by firehead — March 28, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
I’m guessing he has a brass belt buckle the size of a small dog, a red, white and blue gun rack in the rear window of his super-sized pick-up, and has biceps larger than his thighs to compensate for being 5′-2″…
March 28th, 2007 at 10:07 pmOh hi Advilhead,
See you have clocked in. I think you’re late. There’s been a big gap in troll activity. I hope you don’t get written up.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:07 pmHave the Car-bombers Already Defeated the Surge?: February was a record month for car bombings, with at least 44 deadly explosions in Baghdad alone, and March promises to duplicate the carnage.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:09 pmAmericans are being duped by the liberal media. It’s sad that only 29% of Amerians believe in victory. You can chalk that up to Pelosi.
Comment by firehead
It’s only sheep such as yourself that are so easily led by the media — liberal or otherwise.
I know it’s scary, fireant, but try thinking for yourself.
And for f*ck’s sake, stop pissing your bed.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:11 pmBush&Co are trying very, very hard to raise that percentage; Fox is talking their points, Bush is having temper tantrums, and the Repugs are schizophrenic.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:11 pmGee, wasn’t the New York Times the paper that beat the drums for war in the first place?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:13 pmEx-military uber-macho men who are most likely either repressing their homosexuality or compensating for some very short comings. They sport crew cuts, spit Copenhagen and love to say ’shit’ a lot. They think they are Patriotic…
Comment by unbelievable
I am ex-military, straight, not homophobic, have long hair, play in a rock band, protest the war and veteran issues. I say sh*t alot, sometimes.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:13 pmNo girlfriend has ever complained I have , umm, “short comings”.
Not all ex-military are brainless jocks LOL
#16, No takers on that bet — the 29% are certainly Fox viewers.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI’ll ask the same question Bill O’Reilly asked liberals like Dave Letterman and fat Rosie O and didn’t get a staraight answer:
DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN IN IRAQ?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:17 pmNot all ex-military are brainless jocks LOL
Comment by Wayne — March 28, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
You’ll notice that I elaborated… Didn’t end the description at ex-military. Give me more credit than that : )
March 28th, 2007 at 10:18 pmZooey,
March 28th, 2007 at 10:18 pmYou have broken the chain – that’s a good thing.
Even though your parents are hopelessly conservative — look what they did. They raised you. You think for yourself, and you brought up your boys to do the same.
And that’s a good thing.
DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN IN IRAQ?
Comment by firehead
WIN WHAT? AGAINST WHOM?
F*cking piss-soaked moron.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:20 pmDO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN IN IRAQ?
Comment by firehead
After you define the terms of “win”, I’ll take a shot at that question.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:20 pm“The liberal media keeps telling Americans we lost in Iraq even though we are winning and the surge is working. You can blame scumbag leftwing bomb throwers like Brian Williams for this poll.”
if we are winning because the surge is working, then bush shouldn’t have a problem with the 2008 withdrawl date.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:20 pmAnd that’s a good thing.
Comment by Marie
Thanks, Marie. High praise, indeed. :)
I guess we’re their 29%. Heh.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:21 pm“DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN IN IRAQ?”
saddam’s gone. we already “won”.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:23 pm“POLL: Only 29 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Working”
but, but, but chief republican loon mccain says you and I can walk the streets of Baghdad no problem.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:28 pm.
And for f*ck’s sake, stop pissing your bed.
Comment by Zooey — March 28, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Ooh Zooey, why so mean to firehead? With the new rubber sheet he thinks he’s supposed to pee there. You don’t want to know where he poops!
March 28th, 2007 at 10:29 pm#46. We win in Iraq when we have a trained army in Iraq that can defend itself, a functioning government, and we defeat the terrorists.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:31 pmWhat will the polls show if THIS actually happens?
As usual you don’t hear about it on main stream media.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:31 pmDO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN IN IRAQ?
Comment by firehead — March 28, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
WIN WHAT?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:32 pmJeezus firehead, how do you know when you have defeated the terrorists?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:33 pm“but yeah, my sons think for themselves — and they’re not in the 29%!”
You have got to be kidding – AND risk “Moms’” wrath??? I have a feeling your children don’t want to be discussed in the same derisive manner you discuss your parents.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWe win in Iraq when we have a trained army in Iraq that can defend itself, a functioning government, and we defeat the terrorists.
Comment by firehead — March 28, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
All of that existed BEFORE we attacked them…
March 28th, 2007 at 10:34 pm“defeat the terrorists” sounds like a slogan, how the hell would you do that. How about: Form a global cooperation in the detecting, and arresting terrorism.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:35 pmWe win in Iraq when we have a trained army in Iraq that can defend itself, a functioning government, and we defeat the terrorists.
Comment by firehead — March 28, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
And we’ll know we’ve won how? Bush told us they had an elected functioning government. What if they can never defend themselves. And since we crete more terrorists each day how will we ever defeat them and how will we know we have?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:36 pmwe have a trained army in Iraq that can defend itself, a functioning government, and we defeat the terrorists.
Comment by firehead
Nice words but nothing is really defined is it.
Trained an army that can defend itself. From who? Who decides? If I decide then they are ready…done.
Functioning government. Seems done to me.
Defeat the terrorists. This is my favorite….Who are the terrorists? Sunni or Shi’ite…cause they are Iraqis……al Queda? Well good luck with that one….and if the army can defend itself why woul dwe have to be there to do it?
I asked for defined terms not nebulous talking points.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:38 pmYou have got to be kidding – AND risk “Moms’†wrath??? I have a feeling your children don’t want to be discussed in the same derisive manner you discuss your parents.
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
FYI not all kids are terrified of “mom’s wrath” just your kids.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:38 pmOoh Zooey, why so mean to firehead? With the new rubber sheet he thinks he’s supposed to pee there. You don’t want to know where he poops!
Comment by shane
But does he have to let all his fireant friends piss there, too? I’m not going into the poop thing. :P
March 28th, 2007 at 10:38 pm29%, The same percentage as the illiterate population.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“but, but, but chief republican loon mccain says you and I can walk the streets of Baghdad no problem.”
he also said if we come home, Zarqawi’s going to follow us.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:39 pmNico – You missed a BIG opportunity with this tidbit of Headline News. Using the same information, HERE is a story that even the troops who are risking their lives could feel good about. (But you wouldn’t want that….)
Only 22% Believe the Escalation is Making the Iraq War WORSE — 5% are Idiots Who Cannot Form an Opinion
Who are these 27%????
March 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pmYou have got to be kidding – AND risk “Moms’†wrath??? I have a feeling your children don’t want to be discussed in the same derisive manner you discuss your parents.
Comment by valiant venus
Hey Hagfish, I know what they are, and they know what I am. I still talk to my parents, and they talk to me, and even if they don’t agree with a lot of the things I do, they’re still proud of me.
Too bad you can’t say the same.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:41 pmAbout two years ago, I had one of those red necks with a puckered pair of red eyes come across a parking lot with the full intent of flooring me because he disagreed with a few of my bumper stickers. Being 65, I knew that I was not up to a fist match with him and employed techniques taught to me by the Army for close combat in Nam. One knee, one kick and he was meat on the ground. His wife said that she was sorry as she dragged him across the pavement. I bet she was if she wanted any more children.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:42 pmWho are these 27%????
Comment by valiant venus
They’re the ones who fear “mom’s wrath.” Like your imaginary kids….
March 28th, 2007 at 10:42 pmTry again
What will the polls show if THIS
actually happens? http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007/03/26/operation-bite-russian-intelligence-claims-us-will-attack-iran
Russian Intelligence Claims US Will attack…
As usual you don’t hear about it on main stream media.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:42 pm“we have a trained army in Iraq that can defend itself, a functioning government, and we defeat the terrorists.”
blah blah talking point dumb.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:44 pma functioning government? how bout electricity? how bout clean water? how bout police? how bout a banking system? how bout a higher education system so that the entire iraqi middle class doesn’t leave the country?
OT – sorry — but did everyone read that there appears to be an email that links Rove to the DOJ firing scandal?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:45 pm#666 – “…..they’re still proud of me. Too bad you can’t say the same.”
OF COURSE they’re proud of you – kind people like your parents are compassionate conservatives.
Fortunately, your parents are still here….
March 28th, 2007 at 10:47 pmOF COURSE they’re proud of you – kind people like your parents are compassionate conservatives.
Fortunately, your parents are still here….
Comment by valiant venus
People like my parents love their children — politics aside.
**tiny violin playing for Haggie’s imaginary dead parents**
March 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pm#666
Comment by valiant venus
God, you’re clever.
**eyes rolling**
You know that’s just a number, don’t you Hagfish?
March 28th, 2007 at 10:53 pm“Who are these 27%????
Comment by valiant venus
They’re the ones who fear “mom’s wrath.†Like your imaginary kids….”
Zoooey, You poor dear – your zeal to appear clever sometimes takes a toll on your credibility. I WAS N-O-T-I-N-G THE 22% WHO AGREE WITH YOU — AND THE 5% WHO ARE TOO IGNORANT TO GIVE AN OPINION. (That equals 27%.) Perhaps you should shift yourself from the 22% to the 5% column. (I realize graphs and math might be a bit over your skill set.)
March 28th, 2007 at 10:53 pmDamn Venus you have suffered some major losses, explains the bitterness.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:54 pm#42 firehead
I’ll ask the same question Bill O’Reilly asked liberals like Dave Letterman and fat Rosie O and didn’t get a staraight answer:
DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN IN IRAQ?
You don’t have the guts to ask the question straight up. The question really is: “Do you want America to lose in Iraq?”
But, chickenshits like you and O’Reilly don’t want to have to deal with the obvious response, which would be “No.” So, instead, you ask it backwards and you ask an irrelevant question: “Do you want America to WIN in Iraq?”. That way, if the answer is anything besides an enthusiastic “Yes!” you can say that they want America to lose.
Now I want a straight “Yes” or “No” answer to this question, firehead: Will you ever stop molesting children? Yes or No!!!
March 28th, 2007 at 10:55 pmFortunately, your parents are still here….
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
Please Varmint Genus -since you are not going to stay on topic, you might as well tell us another one of your dead child jokes; they are sooo funny…
/sarcasm off
March 28th, 2007 at 10:56 pmcompassionate conservatives.
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
Wow, talk about an oxymoron, Moron!
March 28th, 2007 at 10:57 pmDamn Venus you have suffered some major losses, explains the bitterness.
Comment by ForTruth — March 28, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Oh, his parents are still alive, they just disowned him for being gay… you know how those “compASSionate” conservatives are…
March 28th, 2007 at 10:58 pm#52 firehead
…and we defeat the terrorists.
Then we’ll never win. Even Bush slipped and admitted that during the ‘04 campaign. Which terrorists? Where? There are plenty more terrorists in other countries than there are in Iraq. There’s no way that you can defeat them all. You obviously want this war to go on forever.
March 28th, 2007 at 10:59 pm4Truth – Bitterness cultivates “victimhood” – and I’m NO victim. (I choose to believe there IS a plan for the universe….I’m just not privy to it…)
March 28th, 2007 at 11:01 pmHow can people say we are “winning” in Iraq when the 16 intelligence agencies of the USA say the situation in Iraq and the rest of the world is most definitely worse than it was before our March 2003 invasion?
Are the 16 intelligence agencies of the US left-wing defeatists hate-America firsters?
Saddam, the sworn enemy of our enemy, was doing a good job of strongly suppressing the fundamentalist Islamists.
The world was behind us prior to March ‘03. They are now against us.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:01 pmComment by unbelievable — March 28, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
I really don’t know how you do it, just reading about it gave me the goosebumps.
Don’t you crave a little normalcy, from time to time? Even though I realise “normalcy” is a very relative term where you live ;-)
March 28th, 2007 at 11:03 pmGreegrrr – If you weren’t such an ED unfortunate, maybe you could have children……although, I wouldn’t want you to suffer such a LOSS – -so maybe your dysfunction is a blessing in disguise.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pmPlease Varmint Genus -since you are not going to stay on topic, you might as well tell us another one of your dead child jokes; they are sooo funny…
/sarcasm off
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 28, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
No GS that is so 10 minutes ago. VV is off dead child jokes and onto dead parent jokes. She is so cutting edge.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI choose to believe there IS a plan for the universe….I’m just not privy to it…
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
As delusional as usual…
Sheesh, MA, for someone who thinks you are at the artivrary mercy of some silent being who is into punishments and rewards, you sure aren’t doing much to get on its good side…
March 28th, 2007 at 11:05 pmFor over 40 years, I have heard righties ridicule lefties for being compassionate. Now, with all evidence to the contrary, the righties are the compassionate ones.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:06 pmback on thread – So Gregggrrr, Chimp, and 4Truth – Why do you think TP notes in the headline:
POLL: Only 29 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Working
instead of:
POLL: Only 22 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Making the Situation Worse
Hmmmmm….Inquiring Progs want to know.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:08 pmPerhaps you should shift yourself from the 22% to the 5% column. (I realize graphs and math might be a bit over your skill set.)
Comment by valiant venus
Oh boy, now my face is red. I really need to read your shit more closely. You really caught me that time, didn’t you?
How will I ever show my face around here again? Oh yeah, I’ll just take a page out of the Shameless Liar’s Handbook, better known as Haggie’s life story.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:10 pmIf you weren’t such an ED unfortunate, maybe you could have children……
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Don’t you worry about my manhood, Varmint Genus. Everything works they way it’s meant to, and my wife doesn’t complain. And since we have three boys (actual, living, breathing boys; not your imaginary kind), your little attempt at a put down has failed miserably.
Not only did it fail, it was monumentally childish to begin with.
He who has the last laugh…
March 28th, 2007 at 11:10 pmI choose to believe there IS a plan for the universe….I’m just not privy to it…
Comment by valiant venus
And you never will be, Haggie. You may be familiar with Karma, though….
March 28th, 2007 at 11:12 pmShe is so cutting edge.
Comment by shane — March 28, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
LOL
Too bad that “cutting edge” is a little dull…
March 28th, 2007 at 11:13 pmI choose to believe there IS a plan for the universe….I’m just not privy to it…
Comment by valiant venus
No veneral venom – you’re just not part of the plan – I guess that’s why you’re so bitter.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“[McCaffrey'] report also lists several reasons for some new optimism, noting that since the arrival of Petraeus last month, “the situation on the ground has clearly and measurably improved.”
March 28th, 2007 at 11:19 pmGregggrrr – Better hope your “dull edge” is not a boomerang.
And may your children live a long and happy life…..
March 28th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“Among McCaffrey’s reasons for new optimism were that the Maliki government is permitting the United States to attack rogue leaders in the Mahdi Army of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Also, he noted that U.S. and Iraqi forces have changed their basic approach to operations, with soldiers now living on small outposts across Baghdad. Iraqi forces also are better equipped than before. In Anbar province, he noted, “There is a real and growing groundswell of Sunni tribal opposition to the al-Qaeda-in-Iraq terror formations.”
So, he concluded, it is still possible to develop a stable Iraq.”
Washington Post
March 28th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI really don’t know how you do it, just reading about it gave me the goosebumps.
Me neither :). But then one of my students will say or do something that makes me realize that my being here might have mattered… I have three students who have told me that they say in school to take my classes.
I’ve been able to expose them to subjects, cultures and viewpoints that are taboo in other aspects of their lives, I encourage them to be tolerant and accepting by being the change that I wish to see – and in turn, they are not the same kids who walked into my classroom 8 months ago… All the stuff you and I had theorized about last summer, has now happened. And somehow it makes me tolerate everything else… For now anyway :)
Don’t you crave a little normalcy, from time to time? Even though I realise “normalcy†is a very relative term where you live ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 28, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
Considering I’ve lived in San Francisco – the polar opposite to this place where I was more the norm? Of course. :) It’s what I have you guys for. I can’t have these conversations with people around here. Though, my students tend to be the most liberal people I know. They found out that I am an Atheist and have been very accepting of it. It’s the vegan thing they are still trying to come to terms with :)
Being here was supposed to be temporary. In another two or three years, I’m thinking of heading for Seattle.
Thanks for all your input last year. It’s given me the courage to step outside the box, which is never easy when you’re the woman who doesn’t want babies :)
March 28th, 2007 at 11:20 pmHmmmmm….Inquiring Progs want to know.
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Varmint Genus, you are showing yourself for the Epsilon-minus that you are (oh, why were you ever ever decanted?).
Because, in spite of your Dear (mis)Leader’s hype around the his “surge”, all the fanfare accompanying it, and the endless proclamations that said “surge” is working, the American public is not buying the storyline anymore.
Your Dear (mis)Leader has a yawning credibility gap as of late. You haven’t noticed because you mix your kool-aid a little too strong.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:21 pmShana – is that you buzzing around with nothing original to say or contribute? You poor thing…maybe as a way to improve your critical thinking skills, you could analyze TP’s graph for us.
Thanks for carrying the water for the other Progressives…..
March 28th, 2007 at 11:22 pmNot making much difference look like the correct answer.
The following is gleaned from Lunaville’s icasualities.org web site.
Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths
Period Total
Mar-07 1506
Feb-07 1531
Jan-07 1802
Dec-06 1752
Nov-06 1864
Oct-06 1539
Military Fatalities: By Month
March 28th, 2007 at 11:26 pmPeriod US UK Other* Total Avg Days
3-2007 79 1 0 80 2.86 28
2-2007 80 3 1 84 3 28
1-2007 83 3 0 86 2.77 31
They sport crew cuts, spit Copenhagen and love to say ’shit’ a lot. They think they are Patriotic…
Comment by unbelievable
Actually I think it is sheeeeeeeeeiiit ;)
March 28th, 2007 at 11:31 pmActually I think it is sheeeeeeeeeiiit ;)
Comment by Left Coast Mike — March 28, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
LOL… Right you are!
March 28th, 2007 at 11:32 pm**tiny violin playing for Haggie’s imaginary dead parents**
Comment by Zooey
Her parents are dead…they both commited suicide when she was hatched.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pmHer parents are dead…they both commited suicide when she was hatched.
Comment by Left Coast Mike
I just wasn’t going there….
March 28th, 2007 at 11:41 pmComment by unbelievable — March 28, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
I don’t believe I could live in a place like that for as long as you have. What a different environment from what I am used to (yeah, I’ve always been a big city kind of lad).
As for my input, you are very welcome. Although I am not sure what you are thanking me for -I don’t believe I ever said something you didn’t already know ;-)
March 28th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWhen asked by George Bush if we should return to a flat earth model, dunk women who we suspect to be witches, and use children to fuel our SUV’s – 29% of Americans agreed with the president in a scientific poll.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:46 pmBeing here was supposed to be temporary. In another two or three years, I’m thinking of heading for Seattle.
Comment by unbelievable
You will be welcomed with open arms. It is a wonderful place to live, just ask Sharon. We do have our share of righty’s but we keep them in check. Washington is in need of teachers I hear.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:47 pmI shouldn’t have left out RU Cerious…sorry:(
March 28th, 2007 at 11:48 pm#103 – “Her parents are dead…they both commited suicide when she was hatched.” Comment by Left Coast Mike
Of course, you’re incorrect – but why change now? Much worse would have been parents who aborted – or abandoned – or abused their child….I hope I’m not hitting any sore spots with you.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:48 pmI hope I’m not hitting any sore spots with you.
Never…I live in paradise, have 2 grown children that are progessives, and don’t have to put up with vermin like you!
March 28th, 2007 at 11:53 pmZooooey – How does it feel to be in the minority of Americans (that’s the 22% crowd) with regard to the Escalation? And little Zoo, Jr and Zookeeper – are they 5 percenters or 22 percenters?
March 28th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI hope I’m not hitting any sore spots with you.
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Why would you hit anyone’s “spots”? Considering you sound like you have first-hand experience on the matter.
You are such a lurker. Shheeshh… what a freak…
March 28th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI don’t believe I could live in a place like that for as long as you have. What a different environment from what I am used to (yeah, I’ve always been a big city kind of lad).
You’re from a country that is far more worldly… I imagine it could be a fatal shock for you to have to live among these people. :)
As for my input, you are very welcome. Although I am not sure what you are thanking me for -I don’t believe I ever said something you didn’t already know ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — March 28, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
You’re so modest… But that’s just not true. You’re a brilliant man with an insightful way of saying things. You’ve helped a lot.
And, to let you out of the spotlight of gratitude, I will say good night… :)
March 28th, 2007 at 11:58 pmMike – I’ve heard Seattle is a great place for those with webbed foot abnormalities – and a penchant for mildew…..sogggyyyy.
Tooodles……..
March 28th, 2007 at 11:59 pmYou will be welcomed with open arms. It is a wonderful place to live, just ask Sharon. We do have our share of righty’s but we keep them in check.
Why thank you!
Washington is in need of teachers I hear.
Comment by Left Coast Mike — March 28, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Hmmm, good to know!
It’s three hours later here, so my brain is shutting down and I must say Good Night!…
March 29th, 2007 at 12:00 amYou’re right…so please don’t come here. It is ever worse for imports.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:02 amZooooey – How does it feel to be in the minority of Americans (that’s the 22% crowd) with regard to the Escalation? And little Zoo, Jr and Zookeeper – are they 5 percenters or 22 percenters?
Comment by valiant venus
I wouldn’t know, Hagfish, why don’t you tell me about your sad situation?
Try to pay attention, Haggie. My sons are Zoo Sr and Zoo Jr, neither of them are the Zookeeper.
I am formerly known as Zookeeper, now known as Zooey — a name very kindly given to me by another TP gentleman I correspond with off-board. You know — like UKBristolDave.
Bless your heart…
March 29th, 2007 at 12:02 amMuch worse would have been parents who aborted – or abandoned – or abused their child….I hope I’m not hitting any sore spots with you.
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Worse for you but the jury’s still out for us. Interesting though that your parents believed in abortion.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:05 amAnd Good Night to all…4:00AM comes all too soon.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:06 amTooodles……..
Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Oooh VV – don’t go away mad, just go away.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:07 amShane,
She “Tooooodles,” but she rarely goes….
March 29th, 2007 at 12:10 amComment by Zooey — March 29, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Mitey Coprolite is venting the frustration of knowing she is a 30%er.
But instead of abandoning her insane, irrational support for her Dear (mis)Leader, she clings on to her delusions and unleashes her vile on people who are not the mindless followers she is.
It really does rattles her to be called a 30%er. She feels ever so lonely in her little corner. What a sorry, hapless wretch. I can almost muster a little compassion for her. Almost. Not quite.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:11 amshe rarely goes….
Comment by Zooey — March 29, 2007 @ 12:10 am
So that is why she is so cranky all the time ;-)
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
March 29th, 2007 at 12:13 amWhat a sorry, hapless wretch. I can almost muster a little compassion for her. Almost. Not quite.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
She makes her own way, I don’t feel sorry for her.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:17 amBeing a hateful Hag is a decision she’s made for herself. She could decide to do something different, but this is obviously working for her.
So that is why she is so cranky all the time ;-)
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Hell, I’d have pulled one on myself, if I’d noticed it. :-D
March 29th, 2007 at 12:18 amSeems those 30% folk are the type who won’t ever admit they’re wrong. They have to go down with the ship because they can’t admit they built it wrong or drove it too fast. They have to blame the iceburg for being in the ocean.
That’s why the trolls have to be paid. If they believe as firmly as they say, could they stay here and listen to opinions so different than theirs. I can’t watch Fox News for 2 minutes.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:22 amTWO Iraqi BLOGGERS—–LET’S SEE, ONE MUST BE Abu Ayyub al-Masri AND THE OTHER IS PROBABLY Ahmadinejad—THESE TWO CREEPS SEE VERY “POSITIVE” CHANGES, NAMELY THAT Iraq IS TEETERING ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE AND IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE Iraq BECOMES SEVERAL SEPARATE COUNTRIES, ONE CALLED “Bushopolis,” Capital City “Cheneyville——HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!! HAH!
March 29th, 2007 at 12:37 am#127 - – Wouldn’t it be easier to get yourself a parrot? I mean, if you are only interested in YOUR opinions being regurgitated over AND over… AND over…..your scope must be VERY narrow. I enjoy knowing how your ilk “thinks”. You know the old saying…..keep your friends close…and your enemies CLOSER?
March 29th, 2007 at 1:38 amI enjoy knowing how your ilk “thinksâ€. You know the old saying…..keep your friends close…and your enemies CLOSER?
Comment by valiant venus
Yep, Haggie and I are as close as two peas in a pod.
Snuggly — and close.
Aren’t we, Hagfish?
March 29th, 2007 at 1:47 am#127 – - Wouldn’t it be easier to get yourself a parrot? I mean, if you are only interested in YOUR opinions being regurgitated over AND over… Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Whatever *polly*. This is really funny from someone like you that is only interested in your own opinion, derived from the Ann Coulter fan club newsletter.
AND over…..your scope must be VERY narrow. I enjoy knowing how your ilk “thinksâ€. You know the old saying…..keep your friends close…and your enemies CLOSER? Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 1:38 am
You do? Because all you post is hateful, st*pid stereotypes that are completely *uninformed* about what others say. If you plan to keep us *close*, you’re failing – st*pid c*nt.
Oh, and *smart* people realize that only 29% believing the escalation is *working*, means that 61 percent *don’t*. This makes you look like a complete idiot – st*pid c*nt.
March 29th, 2007 at 1:54 amOf course, you’re incorrect – but why change now? Much worse would have been parents who aborted – or abandoned – or abused their child….I hope I’m not hitting any sore spots with you. Comment by valiant venus — March 28, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Well, since you’re a proven Anorexic, this *projection* explains a lot about why you’re such a lunatic. Just because your abusive childhood is *your* sore spot, don’t *project* your pain on others. Save that for the therapist you’re too ashamed and afraid to go see!
March 29th, 2007 at 1:56 am“Yep, Haggie and I are as close as two peas in a pod.
Snuggly — and close. Aren’t we, Hagfish?” Comment by Zooey
You wish. On second thought, just add me to your “unbelievable” list of “friends”……
Nightey….night!
March 29th, 2007 at 2:25 amYou wish. On second thought, just add me to your “unbelievable†list of “friendsâ€â€¦â€¦
Nightey….night!
Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 2:25 am
What, you actually *believe* Zooey sees you as a “friend”? A sick baby joke, Anorexic sexually confused Coulterite? BAHAHAAHA, now that’s funny!!! Have your dinner by swigging back that Cough Syrup and Meth – and dream that you didn’t look like a st*pid c*nt that can’t do math! Because reality *must* suck for such a hate filled piece of sh*t like you! Nighty night indeed – st*pid c*nt.
March 29th, 2007 at 2:28 amDear Queen VVGFU – Better sue that NEA teacher who wasted her/his time “teaching” you “new” Math. IF you even bothered to look at the graph, you might see that 43% see “not much difference”. So in addition to being a crude vulgarian – you’re a LIAR or…..completely ignorant. I opt to believe the former.
Sweet Dreams!
March 29th, 2007 at 2:31 amDear Queenie – I see subtlety and sarcasm aren’t on your radar……
Tooodles……
March 29th, 2007 at 2:32 amDear Queen VVGFU – Better sue that NEA teacher who wasted her/his time “teaching†you “new†Math. Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 2:31 am
BAHAHA, what *precious* advice from someone that can’t spell, use proper grammar, or do simple math! You’re a st*pid c*nt – Mighty Anorexia!
IF you even bothered to look at the graph, you might see that 43% see “not much differenceâ€. Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 2:31 am
No difference, means *didn’t-work* – st*pid c*nt!
So in addition to being a crude vulgarian – you’re a LIAR or…..completely ignorant. I opt to believe the former. Sweet Dreams! Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 2:31 am
You would opt for the former – it best describes *you*!
Crude vulgarian, like dead baby and the abortion jokes you made today? Project much – st*pid c*nt.
If 43% say it didn’t make a difference, then it didn’t *work*. Why spend billions and risk tens of thousands of men for something that “makes no difference”?
BHAAHAHA, nice try – but not even Coulter is as bad at math as you are! That takes a lot, she’s almost as st*pid of a c*nt as you are!!!!
Good night, Mighty C*nt!
March 29th, 2007 at 2:36 amDear Queenie – I see subtlety and sarcasm aren’t on your radar……
Tooodles…… Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 2:32 am
BAHAHAHA, whatever st*pid c*nt. You aren’t *sarcastic*, you’re *sardonic*. And you aren’t *subtle*, you’re *crude* and *inept*. As for your attack on Hendler being Queenie – I agree, he is – especially compared to a *butch-d*ke* like yourself! Who isn’t!
Buy a dictionary – st*pid c*nt, and ask for a refund on whoever *paid* for your education. Based on how st*pid you are, it was a waste of money at *any* price! St*pid c*nt!
March 29th, 2007 at 2:38 amVarmint Genus/Mitey Coprolite is busy moving the goalposts and lowering the bar for the Leader.
In Varmint Genus’ Newspeak, “Not Much Difference” translates into a ringing endorsement and into a “there is much progress being made!” battle cry instead of what it is: It. Is. Not. Working. Duh.
What a waste of lives and money.
March 29th, 2007 at 2:45 amAmericans are being duped by the liberal media. It’s sad that only 29% of Amerians(SIC) believe in victory. You can chalk that up to Pelosi.
Comment by firehead
Fried Brains,
March 29th, 2007 at 3:23 amPlease make up your mind whether it’s the media’s or Pelosi’s fault and also learn how to spell “Americans.” BTW, since you are apparently not in Iraq, pray tell us how you know that the US is actually winning over there.
back on thread – So Gregggrrr, Chimp, and 4Truth – Why do you think TP notes in the headline:
POLL: Only 29 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Working
instead of:
POLL: Only 22 Percent Of Americans Believe The Escalation Is Making the Situation Worse
Hmmmmm….Inquiring Progs want to know.
Aphrodite Penus, this “surge” is costing blood and treasure. are you saying that if the usa spend 10 billion of your precious tax dollars on something which the majority of people think ISNT having any positive effect, thats a good thing?
Or are you saying this “surge” comes at no cost to the government and its soliders?
Would you buy an expensive piece of equipment for your 89 trans am if 3/4 of the your fellow trailer park neigbors told you that the equipment had no positive effect on your engine, and in fact, 1/3 of that group told you it made your engine worse? are you saying spending the money on that part would, statistically, be a good choice to spend your limited funds are?
Typical right wing mentality..never thinking of the possible repercussions of your acts..
March 29th, 2007 at 7:03 amIm still waiting for the idiot firehead to explain who exactly the terrorists are.. the shia death squads or the sunni insurgents?
March 29th, 2007 at 7:05 amIf we could maybe herd that 29% of slow learners into one geographical area…?
We could airlift the cool people out of Texas and put the wingers there. They can have their own country! America would be safe at last.
Meanwhile, the Chosen 29% would form their own country–a nation composed almost entirely of white males.
It would have closed borders. It would not belong to the United Nations. It would have low taxes and a humongous military. There would be no abortions (but the infant mortality rate would be through the ceiling). There would be no Social Security, no Medicare, no FOIA, no OSHA, no EPA, no unions, no public sector, no habeus corpus.
There would be no gay marriage, I tell you what.
It would be Winger Nirvana, and it would burn with a gemlike flame. They would be dead within days.
March 29th, 2007 at 8:13 amI am not going to bother reading the other posts but hope this fact has been pointed out. The liberal mass media refuses to tell Americans that since the escalation there has been an 82% reduction on violence. If no one tell them it is working how are they going to know? But this site twists facts just as bad as them.
Does anyone mention that they are so desperate there have been two chlorine gas attacks? Of course not, that would mean admitting to chemical warfare and therefore WMDs!
ROTFL – you people are so lost you really believe you own garbage ROTFL
March 29th, 2007 at 10:22 am#143 - It’s difficult for closed minded Progs to entertain other points of view. The majority have swallowed the “angst” of progressivism (and while some are sweet, caring people) they rely on their collective guilt. They ALWAYS give the ENEMY the benefit of the doubt – - and assume the worst about the United States. (I hesitate to say “their country” as so many despise this place.)
Is the country perfect? Far from it. Being a government of PEOPLE, that is not unexpected.
Toooodles…..
March 29th, 2007 at 11:00 amZooooey – How does it feel to be in the minority of Americans (that’s the 22% crowd) with regard to the Escalation? And little Zoo, Jr and Zookeeper – are they 5 percenters or 22 percenters?
Logic impaired as always, Hermatroll. 65% don’t believe the surge is doing what you righties said it would. It is status quo (which is bad enough) or worse according to the poll. Only the 29% that still haven’t learned to tie their shoes agree with you.
March 29th, 2007 at 11:04 am[...] looks like most Americans agree that the surge isn’t working. Some rubes however, would rather take the word of two Iraqi [...]
March 29th, 2007 at 11:19 amWhat’s that pee smell in here.
Oh, I see now -never mind.
March 29th, 2007 at 11:25 amJP – You know the reputation Progs have for their impatience? You certainly don’t disappoint….
P.S. Whew!!! Good thing Progs were the tiny minority they were in WWII…..todays’ Progs don’t have the guts to defeat our enemy – they are too afraid they won’t be liked by the barbarians.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pm#147 Why should this be any different than anything else Bush does. Don’t you ever get sick of failure?
March 29th, 2007 at 12:17 pmcouple of gallons of chardonnay and a handful of vicodin, and V.V. really starts to think she’s clever and witty. that’s just precious.
March 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pmNico you ignorant bi-atch. Your argument is supported by a poll of Americans and an unamed official.
BTW, you’re appearance on Chrissy Mathews was comical. Especially watching you get schooled by that idiot Buchannon.
March 29th, 2007 at 3:04 pmYou wish. On second thought, just add me to your “unbelievable†list of “friendsâ€â€¦â€¦
Nightey….night!
Comment by valiant venus
Bless your heart, Hagfish, another gift you don’t possess — an appreciation for sarcasm.
If my list of friends was a list of one — it would be more than you will ever have. You poor thing….
March 29th, 2007 at 7:16 pmYou know the reputation Progs have for their impatience? You certainly don’t disappoint….
Comment by valiant venus — March 29, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
It’s been over four years since the invasion, this is not the first time the Bush administration works a “surge” in Iraq, and there is still no end in sight.
What you are asking for is not patience. It’s compliance.
Good thing Progs were the tiny minority they were in WWII
The current conflict in Iraq has already lasted longer than the American involvement in WWII. On top of that, there is no end in sight.
todays’ Progs don’t have the guts to defeat our enemy – they are too afraid they won’t be liked by the barbarians.
Too bad the Bush administration invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attack that ignited the “war on terror”.
March 29th, 2007 at 9:12 pm[...] Americans strongly back a timeline to redeploy from Iraq, conservatives have focused their opposition to the recently-passed Iraq redeployment legislation [...]
April 2nd, 2007 at 5:05 pm[...] That plan was implemented. It has not slowed the number of deaths suffered by American troops. Americans do not think it is working. But now that his idea is failing and an alternative must be considered, McCain is throwing up his [...]
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