Comments on: FLASHBACK: One Year Ago, Gen. McCaffrey Said Iraq Was ‘Inoculated From Open Civil War’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:05:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Think Progress » McCaffrey: Situation In Iraq Is Dire So We Need To ‘Stay The Course’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-3290426 Think Progress » McCaffrey: Situation In Iraq Is Dire So We Need To ‘Stay The Course’ Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:56:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-3290426 [...] week, Gen. Barry McCaffrey delivered a dire report on the Iraq war to White House officials, concluding that Iraq is “ripped by a low grade civil war which has [...] [...] week, Gen. Barry McCaffrey delivered a dire report on the Iraq war to White House officials, concluding that Iraq is “ripped by a low grade civil war which has [...]

]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2735870 Raymond Funamoto Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:33:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2735870 ANYONE WHO IS A "SPECIAL COMMENTATOR" ON MSNBC(tm) LIKE McCaffrey IS A PAID STOOLIE/TOADY OF Bushland Uber Allies AND IS NOT TO BE EITHER BELIEVED OR TRUSTED. MSNBC HAS COMMON CRIMINALS LIKE Ed Rogers and Tom DeLay AS COMMENTATORS, GUEST OF OTHERWISE, FOR GAWDS SAKE!!!!!! ANYONE WHO IS A “SPECIAL COMMENTATOR” ON MSNBC(tm) LIKE McCaffrey IS A PAID STOOLIE/TOADY OF Bushland Uber Allies AND IS NOT TO BE EITHER BELIEVED OR TRUSTED. MSNBC HAS COMMON CRIMINALS LIKE Ed Rogers and Tom DeLay AS COMMENTATORS, GUEST OF OTHERWISE, FOR GAWDS SAKE!!!!!!

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2725160 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:54:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2725160 <em>#36, it’s still not what TP said in the headline; they’re twisting the words. “But it’s essentially the same thing”. Yeah, fake but accurate. Comment by Dale — March 28, 2007 @ 3:55 pm</em> Says the troll that is both fake and inaccurate. Why again do you think anyone cares about your st*pid uninformed opinion again - j*ck*ss? #36, it’s still not what TP said in the headline; they’re twisting the words. “But it’s essentially the same thing”. Yeah, fake but accurate. Comment by Dale — March 28, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

Says the troll that is both fake and inaccurate. Why again do you think anyone cares about your st*pid uninformed opinion again – j*ck*ss?

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2721431 katy Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:43:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2721431 ... that picture of him looks like he thinks he ought to be a movie star... … that picture of him looks like he thinks
he ought to be a movie star…

]]> By: Anacher Forester http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2720318 Anacher Forester Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:50:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2720318 McCaffrey is unreliable at best and bat shit crazy at worst. The guy is a goddamn weather vane. He makes me dizzy spinning his constantly changing opinions, assessments and judgments on Iraq. He must gobble dramamine all day just to stand up straight. The best thing I can say about Gen. Barry is that e's retired. <em>Malkin and her ilk have grown both fat and crafty suckling at the teat of Rove.</em> McCaffrey is unreliable at best and bat shit crazy at worst. The guy is a goddamn weather vane. He makes me dizzy spinning his constantly changing opinions, assessments and judgments on Iraq. He must gobble dramamine all day just to stand up straight. The best thing I can say about Gen. Barry is that e’s retired.

Malkin and her ilk have grown both fat and crafty suckling at the teat of Rove.

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2719875 DallasNE Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:31:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2719875 The more I see of Nancy Pelosi the more I like what I see. "Calm down with the threats, there's a new Congress in town" is the perfect retort for "If we cannot muster the resolve to defeat this evil in Iraq, America will have lost its moral purpose in the world and we will endanger our citizens," the president said. "If we leave Iraq before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here." Bush has played the fear card so loudly and so often nobody is paying attention any longer to the cry wolf tactic. Calm down indeed. The more I see of Nancy Pelosi the more I like what I see. “Calm down with the threats, there’s a new Congress in town” is the perfect retort for “If we cannot muster the resolve to defeat this evil in Iraq, America will have lost its moral purpose in the world and we will endanger our citizens,” the president said. “If we leave Iraq before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here.”

Bush has played the fear card so loudly and so often nobody is paying attention any longer to the cry wolf tactic. Calm down indeed.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2718927 hellinabucket Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:45:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2718927 Dale, care to comment on the rest of the post? Doesn't sound like a winning strategy in Iraq. Dale, care to comment on the rest of the post? Doesn’t sound like a winning strategy in Iraq.

]]> By: dlet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2718058 dlet Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:00:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2718058 #37 Comment by Dale It's a headline. Move on. #37
Comment by Dale

It’s a headline. Move on.

]]> By: Dale http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2718033 Dale Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:55:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2718033 #36, it's still not what TP said in the headline; they're twisting the words. "But it's essentially the same thing". Yeah, fake but accurate. #36, it’s still not what TP said in the headline; they’re twisting the words. “But it’s essentially the same thing”. Yeah, fake but accurate.

]]> By: dlet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2717943 dlet Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:50:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2717943 #34 Comment by Dale Directly from the memo at the end of page 4: The foreign fighters have failed to spark open civil war from the Shia. The Samarra bombing may well have <strong>inoculated</strong> the country to the possible horror of total war. The Iraqis are rejecting the vision of a religious state. #34
Comment by Dale

Directly from the memo at the end of page 4:

The foreign fighters have failed to spark open civil war from the Shia. The Samarra bombing may well have inoculated the country to the possible horror of total war. The Iraqis are rejecting the vision of a religious state.

]]> By: UpFromTheSkies http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2717871 UpFromTheSkies Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:46:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2717871 Who cares if the overwhelming weight of expert military opinion now says we're in a fast-disintegrating quagmire? We still have 5-deferment Dick and the Hero of the Texas Air National Guard to support us to final and total victory. Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein SchimpanseFuhrer! Who cares if the overwhelming weight of expert military opinion now says we’re in a fast-disintegrating quagmire?

We still have 5-deferment Dick and the Hero of the Texas Air National Guard to support us to final and total victory.

Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein SchimpanseFuhrer!

]]> By: Dale http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2717586 Dale Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:35:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2717586 #24, re-read TP's comments, then the report, then my post. The general never said they were 'inoculated' from civil war, ie protected indefinitely. He said that "the foreign fighters have failed to spark a civil war". TP misquoted the report. Unless you can find the part of the report that says "Inoculated From Open Civil War" #24, re-read TP’s comments, then the report, then my post. The general never said they were ‘inoculated’ from civil war, ie protected indefinitely. He said that “the foreign fighters have failed to spark a civil war”.

TP misquoted the report. Unless you can find the part of the report that says “Inoculated From Open Civil War”

]]> By: Karp's disciple http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2717486 Karp's disciple Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:31:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2717486 Some generals get to the top by courage and competence; others get there by being sycophants willing to sell their troops down whatever river happens to be flowing by. In the latter case, they use a claim of loyalty and duty to cover up their moral bankruptcy. For example, the generals who shipped their troops off to Iraq without adequate armor and are now shipping more for the surge without adequate rest and training. They're almost as bad as the generals who knew an armistice was set for 11:00 am on the 11th of November, 1918 to end Woodrow Wilson's "war to end all wars" but nevertheless ordered their troops into battle that morning to add thousands of casualties already squandered with some being killed as late as 10:59 am. Some generals get to the top by courage and competence; others get there by being sycophants willing to sell their troops down whatever river happens to be flowing by. In the latter case, they use a claim of loyalty and duty to cover up their moral bankruptcy. For example, the generals who shipped their troops off to Iraq without adequate armor and are now shipping more for the surge without adequate rest and training. They’re almost as bad as the generals who knew an armistice was set for 11:00 am on the 11th of November, 1918 to end Woodrow Wilson’s “war to end all wars” but nevertheless ordered their troops into battle that morning to add thousands of casualties already squandered with some being killed as late as 10:59 am.

]]> By: Mary Poplins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2717175 Mary Poplins Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:15:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2717175 If Old Bushies vetos this bill he is against the troops. He has done nothing good for our country. He is a total failure. If Old Bushies vetos this bill he is against the troops. He has done nothing good for our country. He is a total failure.

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2717109 VerbalKint Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:09:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2717109 Why ask McCaffrey's opinion today? He was wrong last time. The same jackasses keep showing up. Just the like the newspaper pundits, the more wrong the better. Why ask McCaffrey’s opinion today? He was wrong last time.

The same jackasses keep showing up. Just the like the newspaper pundits, the more wrong the better.

]]> By: dlet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2716927 dlet Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:01:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2716927 From the memo on year ago; <em>U.S. Marine and Army combat effectiveness - combined with very effective information operations--- has taken the fun out of Jihad.</em> This is an American General saying this? Fun? If he thinks people elect to go on a personal jihad and joina group against the US for fun he doesn't have a clue to what motivates the enemy and therefore can do nothing to help reduce the problem. That statement sounded like it came from a sixth grader. From the memo on year ago;
U.S. Marine and Army combat effectiveness – combined with very effective information operations— has taken the fun out of Jihad.

This is an American General saying this? Fun? If he thinks people elect to go on a personal jihad and joina group against the US for fun he doesn’t have a clue to what motivates the enemy and therefore can do nothing to help reduce the problem. That statement sounded like it came from a sixth grader.

]]> By: Ben Dover http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2716913 Ben Dover Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:01:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2716913 When will the Republic Party start swift boating the general for being soft on turism?? When will the Republic Party start swift boating the general for being soft on turism??

]]> By: Namtillaku http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2716866 Namtillaku Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:59:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2716866 The local trolls are noticeably quiet today, not surprising considering the news. The local trolls are noticeably quiet today, not surprising considering the news.

]]> By: DM http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2716844 DM Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:59:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2716844 http://euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=414053&lng=1 <em>One of America's closest Arab allies has attacked the war in Iraq as an "illegitimate foreign occupation." Speaking at the start of a summit of the Arab League in Riyadh, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia hit out at the Bush administration. He accused it of putting Iraq at risk of a civil war and trying to unilaterally write the future of the Middle-East. </em> This is surprising. Yes, in part he's telling the Arab League what they want to hear, but Abdullah is a very eloquent person who has a lot of remaining leeway between backing Bush and appearing traditional. He didn't have to be that aggressive, but he did. http://euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=414053&lng=1

One of America’s closest Arab allies has attacked the war in Iraq as an “illegitimate foreign occupation.” Speaking at the start of a summit of the Arab League in Riyadh, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia hit out at the Bush administration. He accused it of putting Iraq at risk of a civil war and trying to unilaterally write the future of the Middle-East.

This is surprising. Yes, in part he’s telling the Arab League what they want to hear, but Abdullah is a very eloquent person who has a lot of remaining leeway between backing Bush and appearing traditional. He didn’t have to be that aggressive, but he did.

]]> By: Rocks911 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/comment-page-1/#comment-2716806 Rocks911 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:57:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/mccaffrey-civil/#comment-2716806 How will the administration and our own locals trolls spin this? How will the administration and our own locals trolls spin this?

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