Gates Contradicts McCain, Says Iraq Debate Has Been ‘Helpful’
Gates Contradicts McCain, Says Iraq Debate Has Been ‘Helpful’
Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain appeared on NBC’s Today Show and said that the Senate debate over an Iraq phased withdrawal plan is aiding the enemy:
Look, the only guarantee of failure is to tell the enemy, “Hey, hang on; we’re leaving.” That’s what this message, this vote yesterday, tells them. I mean, a second-year cadet at West Point will tell you you don’t win wars by telling the enemy when you’re leaving.
McCain’s view is not shared by Bush’s Defense Secretary. Testifying before the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, Robert Gates said that the Iraq debate in Congress has been “helpful in bringing pressure to bear on the Maliki government.” Watch the two clips:
Gates added that the congressional debate informs Iraqis that “there is a very real limit to American patience in this entire enterprise.” That’s a not a message McCain is interested in sending; he prefers signaling an open-ended commitment in Iraq.
Transcript:
CRAMER: I was at the breakfast the other day when you smoke, and your words were brief, and the questions were tough of you. I want to get into some of the questions and make sure I heard what I think I heard. Question was about the supplemental and where we are. You made some remarks about the pressure that we’ve caused on the Maliki government, the Iraqi government there, and how helpful that was. If i heard you right, that’s what I thought you were saying. I particularly have been frustrated with their lack of progress, and as new as I am to this subcommittee, it’s frustrating to hear how unaccountable they’ve been for their investment in this war, their timely seat at the table with spending money, making sure it’s spent in the right way. Incredible issues. I want to give you the chance to further comment about how you think we can keep this pressure on the Maliki government, the Iraqi government, and transfer part of this responsibility to them.
GATES: I’d make two comments Mr. Cramer. First, what I said at the Army caucus breakfast was that I believe that the debate here on the Hill and the issues that have been raised have been helpful in bringing pressure to bear on the Maliki government and on the Iraqis in knowing that there is a very real limit to American patience in this entire enterprise.
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What? Debate is good? How long can this guy last in this administration?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:16 amIt’s time to replace Gates. BRING BACK RUMMY!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:16 amReality in its entirety contradicts McCain! the man is a blathering idiot! This should not be a suprise to anyone.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:18 amIraq and I roll, indeed.
Clinton once made comments.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:19 amRobots! ROBOTS!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amSo Gates is wrong again?
Or are they saying he is right, and we should start listening to him?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amI thought Gates said this:
US ready to defend interests in ME for decades: GatesPosted Mar 18, 2007
“The US is ready to defend its interests in the Middle East for decades to come, even though the Iraq war has been tougher than expected, Defence Secretary Robert Gates said on Friday.”
March 30th, 2007 at 11:22 am?
And now its time to swift boat Gates for not supporting the troops.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amI am Jake. Hear me roar! Rrrrrrr!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amWould someone please explain how “the enemy” would not know when we start to leave, even if if were never announced? Do these idiots think that Iraqis would just wake up one day and all US military personnel would have disappeared overnight and it would be some big surprise to them? This will take weeks and months to accomplish, and I suspect that somehow “the enemy” will notice that planes and ships are leaving with lots of US soldiers on them.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:27 amAnd now its time to swift boat Gates for not supporting the troops.
Comment by Ben Dover
I’m actually amazed the slime machine hasn’t been warmed up already.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by tballou — March 30, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Blink Blink (Blank Stare) Blink
March 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amGates is speaking his mind for once. He’s about to be pink-slipped. Nobody in this Admin speaks out like this.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amGates is definately finding himself in a position where he routinely has to say two contradicting things. We frequently see the real Gates, the one who actually is in tune with reality (unlike some OTHER Cabinet members I could mention) and who made these statements. At other times, he is clearly compelled to reiterate Administration talking points by the White House, and that’s when he says the contradictory “debate helps the enemy” crap. Kudos to Gates for seeming to break himself free from the censorship this administration has imposed on all the government departments.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amTBallou: Would someone please explain how “the enemy†would not know when we start to leave, even if if were never announced? – - I think some people think the US military can sneak out of Iraq just like Robert Irsay did with his Baltimore Colts. Load up the Piggly Wiggly semis in the dead of night and truck off to Indianapolis before dawn. Either that or we have some “beaming” technology unbeknowst to us.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amCan’t comment now. I’m having my pudding and watching The Price is Right. See you soon!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:37 am“…a second-year cadet at West Point will tell you you don’t win wars by telling the enemy when you’re leaving.” — Straight Talk Express
And anyone who aspires to be President of the United States should recognize when the war was over and the occupation began. The role of the military is over, Senator. We won.
Don’t try to diminish the intellect of people who oppose your point of view. That’s soooo 20th century a right wing smear tactic. I do admit, it takes a set of brass ones to be so beligerent when so many see things differently. Golly, where have we seen such arrogance before, and what perils has that wrought upon us? Oh, boy, let’s just keep that up in 2008 by electing a Son of a Bush like you, McCain.
Last time I checked, the military operates at the pleasure of the civilians, not the other way around. Cadets are trained to win wars, not to win the peace. And they did that. We won. And we owe our military a debt of gratitude we can never fully repay. Having accomplished this objective, we the American people want OUT OF IRAQ.
Senator, I really think you’re starting to lose your grip in old age. I used to so admire you; it’s sad to watch you crash and burn.
Blessed are the peace makers.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amDid anyone else see the Today Show piece on Bob Barker finally retiring?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:40 am#10:
March 30th, 2007 at 11:40 amThe Republican ideal is that we NEVER leave Iraq. See Giant U.S. embassy rising in Baghdad.
McCain is a boob and every time he opens his mouth he sounds just as out of touch as Joe is.
McCain is so out of touch with Americans that he is going to hang his whole run for the White House as a “extension of the George Bush presidency”, sadly the old man has not learned that colon cancer is more popular than Bush.
Keep going John, the Dems thank you!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amtrippin:
“Blessed are the peace makers.”
Amen!
Now let’s see where else we can agree — were FDR / Truman “peacemakers”?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amAnd oh yeah, McWiseass, just who are “the enemy”?? (thanks, tballou)
Oh, I know: they’re the ones with the weapons who are hiding until the surge is over.
What better reason to keep surging — forever! Surge upon surge upon surge! Wheeeee–haaaa!!! No wonder we’ve got a base there the size of the Vatican, and fourteen or so others!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:50 amwere FDR / Truman “peacemakers�
Comment by Jake
FDR/Truman didn’t start a war.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:50 amAFTER I’VE HAD DIFFERENT TYPES OF ETHNIC CUISINE, I SOMETIMES LIKE TO HAVE A SMALL TASTE OF MY POOPY. IT REALLY ABSORBS THE DIFFERENT FLAVORS.
BILL CLINTON ALSO HAS GONE POOPY.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amtrippin:
Were FDR / Truman “peacemakers�
March 30th, 2007 at 11:54 amJake: Do yourself a favor and take a hike. You’re becoming more like McCain saying what you think should be said without giving it any thought. The consequence is that you are becoming more pathetic and irrelevant with each comment.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:54 amFDR/Truman should have invaded Iraq after Pearl Harbor. It was obvious that Saddam was building invisible Zero fighter planes and training invisible Kamikazi pilots (obvious to everyone but you dumbass liberals).
If we had invaded Iraq then, we would have been greeted as liberators, and we could have started a blossoming of democracy which would have spread all over the world, and 9/11 would never have happened.
Stupid FDR/stupid Democrats instead decided to wage war with the people who actually attacked us.
AFTER I’VE HAD DIFFERENT TYPES OF ETHNIC CUISINE, I SOMETIMES LIKE TO HAVE A SMALL TASTE OF MY POOPY. IT REALLY ABSORBS THE DIFFERENT FLAVORS.
BILL CLINTON ALSO HAS GONE POOPY.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amDon’t feed ‘em anymore. OK?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pmbring back rumsfeld, the loyal bushie!! do it for the lurkers!!
March 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pmHere is the thing, the enemy is the iraqi people, they feel that we are the enemy, so once we leave and stop occupying their lands they can get back to their 2000 years of fighting, if anyone has looked that the real history of iraq they would see clearly that iraq has managed all these 1000’s of years.
Take off the training wheels, we are telling the iraqi people that we dont support bush and his war, we are telling the terrorists we don’t want our troops on your lands, so leave us the heck alone. The world considers Bush as an authoritian or dictator like figure, in 2008 Our occupation will end in america and in iraq. When arabs see the will of the american people is against our goverments actions they will see us as a brother, not an enemy and we can heal the relationship and work towards a positive future
March 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmWhat’s that sound up the river? Capn karl is struggling to get that motor runnin….Gates will eat karl’s lunch if he screws with him. 08 will be a disaster for my former party, if the dems select someone with a little guts and brains
March 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmCraig Jackson:
The “enemy” are the TERRORISTS who are trying to kill Americans — name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI am so tired of hearing the OCCUPATION of Iraq referred to as a “war”.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:07 pmBushCo = LIARS
It looks like we FINALLY have a grown up in the administrations heirarchy. One has to wonder how long he will last as junior can’t stand realism, he prefers the abstract world of idealism.
Go Gate, for all it’s worth!
March 30th, 2007 at 12:10 pmOne of the most Orwellian names that can be found in American government is that which Gates presides over, which is called the Department of Defense. If there was anything resembling honest discourse happening today, the name of that department should revert back to what it had been originally called during World War II and that was the Department of War. That name should certainly be considered appropriate given the incredible number of times that the United States has waged war, mostly in the [alleged] name of freedom, over the past hundred plus years.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmMack MacKenzie:
So, we’ve lost thousands of American troops in an “occupation” rather than “war” in your opinion? We lost ZERO American troops during the occupation of Germany and I don’t recall any from the occupation of Japan either. Perhaps you need to go back to the history books, son.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“The “enemy†are the TERRORISTS who are trying to kill Americans — name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?”
for any lurkers, this is called bullsh!t
March 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThe “enemy†are the TERRORISTS who are trying to kill Americans — name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?
Comment by Jake
The enemy are the foes that are the opponenets that are the advesaries that are the rivals that are the TERRORISTS…….but try and get him to say who they really are without a thesaurus and he can’t say.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmRESIST THE TEMPTATION
March 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmAnyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) care to name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pmFor the record, on a prior thread I cited a source and “estimate” of a couple hundred to one-thousand Al Qaeda in Iraq — can anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) care to name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:24 pmAnyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) care to remind Jake that since the TERRORISTS that make his skivvies so moist all the time were either CREATED in Iraq or DRAWN there from neighboring countries by our bloody war of imperialistic aggression, by pointing this out, all he does is condemn this criminal administration?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pmFor the record, on a prior thread I cited a source and “estimate†of a couple hundred to one-thousand Al Qaeda in Iraq — can anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) care to name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
For the record, said enemy is only in Iraq because we allowed its borders to be as porous as a seive after the invasion. Please feel free to provide any credible source that says Al Qaeda in Iraq was thriving BEFORE the invasion.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:29 pmA sponge soaks up water too, so?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmFor the record, on a prior thread I cited a source and “estimate†of a couple hundred to one-thousand Al Qaeda in Iraq — can anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) care to name one country where there are more of said enemy than Iraq?
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Maybe the country or countries they are coming from.
Can you name a mideast country that had FEWER terrorists in it before we invaded?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pmcircusfifthfloor,
It’s sooooo difficult, it’s like a six month old in the room with a dirty diaper, you just feel compelled to try and help.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pmAnyone (NOT on the “Ignore List)? Bueller? Bueller?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmJake. You’ve got three choices
Either you’re a Republican stooge who’s paid to “get intel” on your enemy and you’ve switched off your brain
You’re a troll who likes seeing people get all worked up about stuff
Or you’re and idiot.
Could you tell me which one, because I have way too many adjectives vying for control over my fingers everytime I want to respond to some idiotic fungus that you somehow think is important for is to read?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pmany lurkers need only look at the numbers: 160,000 american troops [who've been there for 4 years] are being kept in a country of 26,000,000 [2/3 of which is shiite or kurd] by a group of “couple hundred to one-thousand” fighters [sunnis] who would apparently follow us if we left.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:42 pmAnyone NOT on my “Ignore List” want to explain to me why Bush invaded Iraq, instead of the country that is the home to Osama bin Laden? Or the country where the majority of the hijackers came from?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pmJake sez:
And does a sponge manufacture water as well, idiot?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pmAnyone (NOT on the “Ignore List)? Bueller? Bueller?
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
WooHoo! Does that mean you’re ignoring me? Well that one thing I can cross off my “To Do” list.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAnyone (NOT on the “Ignore List)? Bueller? Bueller?
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
If you keep putting people on that ignore list, Jake, and you’ll be talking to yourself pretty soon. Or is that already happening?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pmOf all the arguments for pulling out of Iraq, the greater importance of Afghanistan is the least serious.
And not just because this argument assumes that the world’s one superpower, which spends more on defense every year than the rest of the world combined, does not have the capacity to fight an insurgency in Iraq as well as in Afghanistan. But because it assumes that Afghanistan is strategically more important than Iraq.
Thought experiment: Bring in a completely neutral observer — a Martian — and point out to him that the United States is involved in two hot wars against radical Islamic insurgents. One is in Afghanistan, a geographically marginal backwater with no resources and no industrial or technological infrastructure. The other is in Iraq, one of the three principal Arab states, with untold oil wealth, an educated population, an advanced military and technological infrastructure that, though suffering decay in the later years of Saddam Hussein’s rule, could easily be revived if it falls into the right (i.e., wrong) hands. Add to that the fact that its strategic location would give its rulers inordinate influence over the entire Persian Gulf region, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the Gulf states. Then ask your Martian: Which is the more important battle? He would not even understand why you are asking the question.–Charles Krauthammer.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:50 pmAnd You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid,
I don’t know if I am on your ignore list but I’ll answer the question.
OIL
March 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmJake (troll),
The US of A is an OCCUPYING force in Iraq. We did not declare ‘war” on Iraq, although BushCo loves to call it a “war”.
BushCo = LIARS
March 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“–Charles Krauthammer.”
do you end all your sentences like that? you might as well. i missed the part when you tell the martian about the 3200 soldiers who lost their lives and the cost of being in iraq as being $280 million/day.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmMack:
The United States has not officially “declared” war since 1941 — legally, however, the AUMF was the equivalent — perhaps you never read the AUMF? I’ll try to find you a link for it.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmThought experiment: Bring in a completely neutral observer — a Martian — and point out to him that the United States is involved in two hot wars against radical Islamic insurgents. One is in Afghanistan, a geographically marginal backwater with no resources and no industrial or technological infrastructure. The other is in Iraq, one of the three principal Arab states, with untold oil wealth, an educated population, an advanced military and technological infrastructure that, though suffering decay in the later years of Saddam Hussein’s rule, could easily be revived if it falls into the right (i.e., wrong) hands. Add to that the fact that its strategic location would give its rulers inordinate influence over the entire Persian Gulf region, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the Gulf states. Then ask your Martian: Which is the more important battle? He would not even understand why you are asking the question.–Charles Krauthammer.
Comment by Patrick1 — March 30, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Next Martian I see, I’ll put that question to him.
The problem is that that is not nearly enough information to make an informed opinion on and much of that info that is provided is subject to interpretation. For instance:
A) The intelligent population is leaving in droves. They will come back (maybe) only when the country settles down.
B) Every day there is fighting, the infrastructure gets worse, not it’s operational level (although that is a part of it) but in it’s ability to recover.
C) WE caused every single problem the Iraqi’s are now having in that country. No terrorism, a decent infrastructure, a LOT fewer deaths and tortures, under Husseins rule. Regardless of Husseins lack of compassion and love of power, is a citizen better off when he is tortured and killed because of a conflict incidental to what he does or because he is targeted for oppression?
Since the terrorists came in when we did, then it is at least worth asking the question: “Can we get rid of them without our military?” Since trying to get rid of them WITH the military doesn’t seem to be working and shows no signs of working.
Now the question is a bit more murky.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pm“–Charles Krauthammer.â€
do you end all your sentences like that? you might as well. i missed the part when you tell the martian about the 3200 soldiers who lost their lives and the cost of being in iraq as being $280 million/day.
Comment by pgw
Oops, someone forgot to copy and paste correctly and almost snuck in an attribution to a real (sort of, it is Krauthammer) author. As was recently pointed out to me, whenever you see a troll piece together more than three or four sentences, you can assume it’s lifted from the work of someone else. And it’s usually posted without any credit given to the original.
This was obviously a boo-boo.
Shorter Krauthammer: “Fck the Afghanis. They have no oil.”
March 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmRocks911 sez:
There’s only one “ignore list” here, and it’s not And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid’s.
It’s Shakey Jake’s, and I’m pretty sure you’re already on it, as you seem to be able to type a cogent sentence. ^_^
March 30th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThought experiment: if a martian was going to eat the world’s most beautiful pony, would you quote charles krauthammer? but what if the pony was full of oil?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmMeanwhile in reality, Iraqis have died by the thousands.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAnyone (NOT on the “Ignore List)? Bueller? Bueller? Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Jake’s world shrinks by the moment – but remember everyone *he* is the victim, and it’s everyone *else’s* fault! BAHAHA, right wingnut jobs.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmMack:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force
March 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmEarlier this week, Sen. John McCain appeared on NBC’s Today Show and said that the Senate debate over an Iraq phased withdrawal plan is aiding the enemy:
Again, why I call him ‘Straight Talk Express My @$$’. Talks a big game so the SCLM will report him as some kind of maverick, but when push comes to shove, he’s just another Republican, like our other senator, Jon Kyl. But at least we know he’s nothing more than a lock-steppin suck-up for this administration.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain appeared on NBC’s Today Show and said that the Senate debate over an Iraq phased withdrawal plan is aiding the enemy”
he also recently said zarqawi was going follow the troops home.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:40 pmMack:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Not a war. Grow a brain, fur ball.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIraqi President Jalal Talabani followed the lead of Saudi King Abdullah the previous day at the same Arab summit in Riyadh, hitting out at the US for its “occupation” of his country and attacking Washington’s mistakes.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:19 pm“In beloved Iraq, blood is being shed among brothers in the shadow of an illegitimate foreign occupation, and ugly sectarianism threatens civil war,” Abdullah told the high-powered gathering.
“Earlier this week, Sen. John McCain appeared on NBC’s Today Show and said that the Senate debate over an Iraq phased withdrawal plan is aiding the enemyâ€
he also recently said zarqawi was going follow the troops home.
Comment by pgw — March 30, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
I think I would prefer the terrorists follow the troops home. We’ll have all our boys on familiar ground and we’d have more of an advantage. Also we’d stop making the Iraqi’s pay so much for our mistakes.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“I think I would prefer the terrorists follow the troops home. ”
well then, i’ll give you and mccain some good news: zarqawi’s still dead
March 30th, 2007 at 2:59 pm“I think I would prefer the terrorists follow the troops home. â€
well then, i’ll give you and mccain some good news: zarqawi’s still dead
Comment by pgw — March 30, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Oh well.. in that case, the terrorists will just all go home then… /sarcasm
March 30th, 2007 at 3:44 pmJake (the “real one”),
I’ve been lurking (your terminology) for a couple of years. You seem to relatively new, at least in posting. It’s obvious to me that you support Dubya’s regime. Hence, you obviously support the Iraq occupation (war if you prefer).
You happen to be basically the same age as my father (8/32-his birthday). He served in Army Airborne in Korea and was medically discharged after receiving a Purple Heart. I joined to Air Force in ‘71 (to avoid being drafted-obviously not as brave as my father). My career spanned Vietnam (never went–thank my luck stars-but had several friends who were not so lucky-depression hits me every spring just remembering them) through Desert Storm (went-but because of rank at that point was never in harm’s way). My question is this: My father was wounded, I spent 22 years making little money, but feeling I was contributing to something bigger than me…What did you do? Anything? Anyone who supports ANY was tends to be, in my experience, a non-serving, Rambo cheering, Chickenhawk. BTW, don’t give me a line of BS, I KNOW MOS’s (both Army and Marines)Rates-USN and obviously AFSC’s (USAF). Was stationed with them all. So answer the question or forever be put on MY ITNL (Ignore the Numnuts List). Got the cojones?
March 30th, 2007 at 6:25 pm#73, ME. Sorry for the length, it’s just been building for a long time.
March 30th, 2007 at 6:32 pmTHREE OTHERS WHO CONTRADICT McPAIN ARE:
March 30th, 2007 at 7:42 pm1)HIS GARDENER: “You SAID you wanted oranges planted and now you want APPLES AFTER I ALREADY PLANTED THE ORANGE TREES? Make up your F*CKING mind fer Chrissakes!!!!”
2)HIS BARBER: “Senator, you DISTINCTLY SAID you wanted A LITTLE MORE OFF THE TOP…I can’t put back on what I’ve CUT OFF ALREADY!”
3)HIS MAKE-UP MAN: “John, I REALLY must INSIST on PUTTING ON MORE PANCAKE TO DISGUISE THIS GROWING MOLE on your ALREADY PASTY-WHITE CHEEK…..”
#74 – John M, USAF, RET,
March 30th, 2007 at 11:54 pmNothing from the soul is ever to long.
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