Rush Limbaugh:
Rush Limbaugh:
Don’t fire Gonzales even though he’s incompetent because winning elections is much more important:
I’m at a loss to understand why it is that even some people on our side and the conservative media think throwing Gonzales away is going to stop this. Now, they’ll say, “Well, that’s not what we’re trying to do. We want competence. We are conservatives, and we have high values, and high standards.” This is a battle going on here. There’s an election that’s going to hinge on stuff like this, and everybody the administration throws overboard is a tantamount admission to people that pay scant attention to politics there’s all kinds of corruption going on in there.
More Rush: “USA Today’s got a poll: ‘Do you think something’s wrong about the firing of eight US attorneys?’ 72% said yes. 72% of the American people, a bunch of blithering idiots who have no idea what they’re talking about, but yet they voted, so these polls matter.”
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March 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amThank you, Rush. You make it so easy.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amFor once, Mr. Limbaugh spoke the truth.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:01 am“Well, that’s not what we’re trying to do. We want competence. We are conservatives, and we have high values, and high standards.†— Rush Limbaugh
That’s like a drug dealer or a child molestor saying that he wants to live in a crime-free neighborhood because he has high values and high standards… Right… LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amBoth Carter and Clinton replaced U.S. Attorneys for political reasons (and not only at the beginning of their terms as president).
March 30th, 2007 at 10:02 ampersonally, i would rather that bush NOT throw gonzales overboard… i think the longer this goes on, the more shit is going to come to light… if bush and gonzo hold out, it can only work in favor of getting all the cards on the table… as i’ve repeatedly maintained, what we DON’T know is going to completely overwhelm us when it’s finally revealed… we will be horror-struck in the extreme…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
March 30th, 2007 at 10:03 am“I’m at a loss to understand why it is that even some people on our side and the conservative media think throwing Gonzales away is going to stop this.
Did he mean to say that? I don’t listen to him, so I don’t know how often he mentions the media. I thought he switched over to alternately conducting and decrying drive-bys. Is he off-message or did he inadvertently reveal the truth?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:03 amAs ‘Tweety Bird’ would say, “THERE IS ! THERE IS ! THERE IS CORRUPTION GOING ON IN THERE !”
March 30th, 2007 at 10:04 am.
“Admission” being the operative word. Rush in more the “never admit you’re wrong” school. Better to have incompetent fools in administrative roles.
It’s also wonderful that he’s tacitly admitted that Conservatives don’t really give a damn about high standards or high values. It’s all about Power. Period.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:04 amDon’t believe me though — Marston was investigating a DEMOCRATIC Representative that asked Carter to replace him — look for yourself:
http://www.time.com/ time/ magazine/ article/ 0,9171,916110,00.html
http://www.time.com/ time/ magazine/ article/ 0,9171,919302,00.html
http://www.time.com/ time/ magazine/ article/ 0,9171,919591-3,00.html
http://www.time.com/ time/ magazine/ article/ 0,9171,945941,00.html
A recent interview of Carter on KNX 1070 newsradio had him saying he did not recall the specifics of the Marston replacement.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:05 amBoth Carter and Clinton replaced U.S. Attorneys for political reasons (and not only at the beginning of their terms as president).
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 10:02 am
First – prove it.
Secondly – if you can show validation – so what? Just because O.J. Simpson killed people and got away with it doesn’t make it okay for you to kill people and use him as an excuse.
Seriously – take a class in logic.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:07 amThere’s an election that’s going to hinge on stuff like this
and “that’s what it’s all about”…
March 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amEverybody: put jake on your “ignore list” until he says something new, something that hasn’t been refuted.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amAlso, the “political reasons” that Clinton and Carter had were exactly the same as Bush’s: to obstruct investigations of political allies and facilitate politically motivated prosecutions of political enemies.
It’s all exactly the same. Just like being a 75 year old veteran is the same as being a 33 year old office assistant, or being an independent is the same as being a Republican.
stupid liberals.
IF LAURA BUSH, PROSTITUTE, WAS REPLACED ON THE CORNER OF 1ST AND CONSTITUTION AVE. FOR “POLITICAL REASONS” DON’T YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amHa. Rush must’ve forgot his meds.
This is a very important commentary on the current situation of the blissfully ignorant public finally having it’s eyes opened. It’s getting hard to ignore all of the corruption. Even if you don’t care about politics and would rather watch American Idol and just go shopping.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:09 amFor the record, I did not fault either Carter or Clinton when they replaced U.S. Attorneys based on political reasons either.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:11 am“First – prove it.”
no need. it’s an official talking point.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:11 amJake,
There were only TWO Clinton U.S. Attorneys who were asked to resign mid-term.
* Larry Colleton resigned shortly after he was videotaped grabbing Jacksonville television reporter Richard Rose by the throat.
* Kendall Coffey resigned amid accusations that he bit a topless dancer during a visit to a gentleman’s club.
Where’s the “political reason” ?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amAn admission that the administration is full of all kinds of corruption. Of course the people who DO pay attention to politics ALREADY KNOW the administration’s full of corruption (not to mention incompetence).
Thanks Rush. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amSheesh…Shakey’s in overdrive today.
And it appears that he’s still unable to comprehend the fundamental difference between the questionable dismissals of U.S. attorneys in the Chimpy administration and the questionable dismissals of U.S. attorneys in the administrations that have gone before.
Unable…or unwilling. The jury’s still out on that one.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:13 amRush sez:
This just gets better and better…Rush is now slinging insults at the American people for daring to let their opinions be known.
Yes, Rush, these ‘blithering idiots’ do vote, so they do matter…and that terrifies you, doesn’t it?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:15 amBoth Carter and Clinton replaced U.S. Attorneys for political reasons (and not only at the beginning of their terms as president).
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 10:02 am
And Jake continues his grim march forward. His situation reminds me of the Russian soldiers under Stalin who were told to charge the enemy without weapons.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amJake,
You know, Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, so is it OK for Bush to start another holocaust? I have two children, ages six and nine, and I always have to explain to them that just because someone else does something, that does not mean they can do it too.
However, I want Gonzales to stay right where he is. I hope he does not resign. I am hoping for this for the same reason MOST republicans want him to resign. Once we have a democratic president, there will never be another democratic scandal. Thanks to Bush for setting this precedent and arguing for it so hard, any attorney who even thinks about investigating a democrat will be instantly fired. And there is nothing the right-wing can do about it because they wanted it this way.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amI love it. Every day a Democratic supermajority looks more and more like a sure thing.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amInteresting that Rush feels free to admit that the United States doesn’t matter, the Republican party is the only thing that matters.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amI hope Rush and Gonzalez both stick around a long time. Pretty soon every, man, woman and child in the country will hear the way these people lack respect for the people.
for the lurkers, the two words that don’t pass the smell test in this whole mess: “loyal Bushies”
March 30th, 2007 at 10:18 amDemocracy is when 51% of everyone else agrees with me.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:18 amRush should just take his bottle of sex enhancing drugs, pack them (and whatever other paraphenalia he needs), and go back to the Dominican Republic for some more sex tourism and get himself some more sexual release from whomever (or whatever) he was getting it from last year. He needs to do this before his head explodes. On the air. Gosh. Then again, maybe he should just keep talking and let his head explode. It would be satifying to watch. Too bad it did not happen while he was jiggling in his chair making fun of Michael J. Fox. Or a heart attack while he is doing his little dances. That would work for me too.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amSo Rush says that it doesn’t matter what 72% polled think. I’ve got some math for Rush: 29% ain’t gonna win many elections for the Republicans, even if they divide and confuse the opposition.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:19 am“USA Today’s got a poll: ‘Do you think something’s wrong about the firing of eight US attorneys?’ 72% said yes. 72% of the American people, a bunch of blithering idiots who have no idea what they’re talking about, but yet they voted, so these polls matter.â€
…says the King of Blithering Idiots.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:22 amWhy does Rush hate America so much?
Cheers,
March 30th, 2007 at 10:24 amjake, jake, jake, you ignorant slut, the underlying problem with the US Attorneys is not only the obvious flouting of the law, but also the fact that another corrupt GOP senator allowed an aide to tack on an amendment to a bill that allows Monkeyboy Lawbreaker Moron-In-Chief to appoint more of his lackeys without senate approval. What is it about America and democracy that you hate so much?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:24 amI think that Rush Limbaugh is starting to see his entire corrupt world falling down around him with no end in sight. One disaster after another directly involving the Bush Administration and the terrible people that feed off of it including Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the right-wing media. I love it …..it is soooooo well deserved.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:24 amComment by bob (not the hacker)
Just put him on the ignore list, period. It’s not like he’s willing to listen to anything we say anyway.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:25 am#5 Jake:
Both Carter and Clinton replaced U.S. Attorneys for political reasons (and not only at the beginning of their terms as president).
That’s a lie. But you know that. It’s your job to lie here, to shill for the Dubya maladministration….
Cheers,
March 30th, 2007 at 10:25 amThis is what’s coming through loud and clear with all of these hearings. We all knew that the White House was politicizing every office in the federal government that they could get their hands on, but when you listen to some of these people testify, it’s plain as day that the political appointees themselves are politicized right down to the bone. They see nothing wrong with using any and all offices of the federal government to their advantage in helping their party. They don’t understand, or claim not to understand, why it would be considered a conflict of interest. They seem to be dumbfounded as to why anyone would consider it to be taking unfair advantage. They’re just working towards their all-important goal. They’re just putting every effort into helping the Republican party. Nothing else is as important as that to them. And rules go right out the window. If somebody tries to stop them, they just play dumb. Or sloppy or forgetful.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:26 amThere is a culture that has temporarily risen to power in our country, which Limbaugh is a prime example of, that simply no longer understands why telling the truth is important. They see no reason to. Facts, situations, things in general – are just clay to be manipulated in ways to protect the tribe in power. Period. They are sociopaths. The claim that their highest standard is God. What they mean though ( most of them don’t even know this) is that God is a word that stands for – SELF. Their God is literally themselves…..what THEY thing, what THEY feel…regardless of other people. There are no other people for the likes of Rush Limbaugh. There are only pawns….props..in his ugly mind. Thank Goodness there are more reasonable people then there are people like them. Their time, as I say often, is ending.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:26 amI’m a senile old man! Robots are out to get me!
March 30th, 2007 at 10:28 amCalling 72% of Americans “blithering idiots” definitely warrants “Worst Person In the World” honors on Olbermann tonight.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:29 amI can’t sleep at night! Clowns will eat me!
March 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amI truly don’t think Jake is for real. He is an operative. He’s ALWAYS here and the reason for him being here is to disrupt. My opinion. As I’ve said before, how many people on the left hang out on right wing blogs day after day after day? Think about it. I tell you, he’s not worth our time. There are fewer and fewer people who talk like Jake left in our country today. PUT HIM ON IGNORE. He either flames or repeats his points without any true dialogue with others.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amRush knows that his listening audience is the other 29% in the poll.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amFor the record, at one point in time, MORE than 72% of Americans supported this President — weren’t they “blithering idiots” then according to you guys?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amWell said El Rushbo! Keep after the looney left.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:34 amI’ve trademarked this franchise. My attorney will be contacting all other Jake’s to offer Jakeâ„¢ franchises. Please cease and desist until further notice.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:35 amMy wife is disgusted because I fart in my sleep.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:36 amDon’t mind me…I’m a crazy old man! Crazy! Crazy Crazerton!
March 30th, 2007 at 10:37 amFor the record, at one point in time, MORE than 72% of Americans supported this President — weren’t they “blithering idiots†then according to you guys? — Jake
No, because – unlike Rush – people who disagree with me don’t immediately get labeled as blithering idiots. Disagreement is good.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:39 amThe nice thing is, when Democrats control the White House and both houses of Congress, Republicans will support having U.S. Attorneys who are nothing more than Democratic Party operatives tasked with solely investigating charges against Republicans, and will give every Democratic appointee an up or down vote in the Senate.
Republicans won’t attempt to block any appointment, no matter how liberal. Republicans won’t cry foul if someone is replaced because s/he happens to be investigating a Democrat, thus ending the investigation.
Republicans won’t mind if their committee meetings are shuffled off to the basement. Republicans will gladly accept a liberal administration and won’t grouse over Democrats rubber-stamping their own.
yeah. right.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:40 am[...] Progress this morning: Rush Limbaugh:Don’t fire Gonzales even though he’s incompetent because winning elections is much more [...]
March 30th, 2007 at 10:41 amAnyone not on my Ignore List(tm) who would like me to explain why Bush’s dismissal of these attorneys is immoral and corrupt while Clinton’s was an act of divine provenance, just let me know.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:41 amre #46,
March 30th, 2007 at 10:43 amno dear it’s not the farting, it’s the belching. I know it’s confusing, they both smell the same.
Jake
Again, the real frame here is that you guys want to show that government doesn’t work. So it is in fact a good thing that those of your viewpoint are so god awful at governing. Why replace Alberto Gonzalez when he’s proving that government is broken, and needs to be done away with.
I find it hilarious that those of your ilk tend to distrust government so much, but keep running for office with the hopes of being bad at governing. If you become good at governing, then all of a sudden, government becomes becomes a good thing right?
You’re probably thinking “That government which governs least, governs best.” I would argue, that government which governs well, governs best.
If you keep punching holes in the bottom of the ship it will sink. Don’t worry, we’ll put it back together regardless of your efforts to destroy it.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:43 am“weren’t they “blithering idiots†then according to you guys?”
No. Many of the folks who supported Bush early on were well intentioned folks who believed that Bush was what he claimed to be, and that a president should be given the benefit of the doubt during a national threat. That doesn’t make them idiots. It just took them longer to recognize that they were misled. Even smart people with good intentions can sometimes be misled.
On the other hand, as for the people who still support him after witnessing so much dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption – I don’t think they are all “idiots” (maybe some). I do however think that a lot of them prefer an authoritarian government to a democratic republic, particularly when there is a looming threat of attack (which the authoritarian leaders will make sure is always the case).
March 30th, 2007 at 10:45 amI am sorry, but it is very true. Most people get spoon fed the news, they do no research or bother to find out whether or not the media is lying to them.
Most Americans watch the news and come out as if God had spoken to them.
99% of the people that I have spoken to about the whole Gonzalez thing have ZERO clue to what is happening, yet these are the same ones that say, “well he should go…” and when asked why they reply, “becausee I saw in the news last night that he is involved in some type of scandal…”
so, thinkprogress.org is being very, very disingenious and they know it, but they don’t care.
and if thinkprogress.org is going to cry and whine about right wing pundits putting politics over the truth, they better start looking with in their own party, the Democrats.
Sadly enough both sides do it, pundits on both sides do it. wrong, very wrong….
but we cant’ expect thinkprogress.org to be fair can we, they only see wrong on the right side of politics. sad, sad….
March 30th, 2007 at 10:46 amNo, Jake–we thought they were wrong.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:46 am#50 – I personally am not claiming that Clinton’s act was divine provenance. Clinton probably did a lot of political shady things while in office, and I don’t support him either. However, “Clinton did it” is not an excuse to break the law. Bush’s dismissals were corrupt (I believe), because they were obstruction of justice. Now – I’m not perfect, and I could be wrong about that, and that’s why I hope we get more public testimony to see exactly what happened.
I don’t understand why some people think that it’s ok for Bush to act immorally and be corrupt because Clinton was the same way. That logic just doesn’t make sense to me. How about a system of government where no one acts immorally? And no one is corrupt? Maybe that’s impossible, but surely we can do better than this.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amOf course, if 72% of the American people had agreed with Rush, then he would have been touting their deep wisdom, tremendous intelligence, and unsurpassed patriotism…not to mention their stunning good looks, six-pack abs, and awesome sexual prowess. In other words, just like how Rush thinks of himself.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amFor the record, at one point in time, MORE than 72% of Americans supported this President — weren’t they “blithering idiots†then according to you guys? — Jake
Actually, no. I was probably in that 72% at one point until Bush f’ed everything up by invading Iraq. Now I know better.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:48 amCrump’s Brother,
Democrats have done as much of a good job at destroying our government and make it run like crap as the Republicans. Take off the partisan glasses, BOTH parties are to blame for how bad our government runs, BOTH.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:49 amI’m a senile old man!
Maybe in DOG years… LOL
Robots are out to get me!
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 10:28 am
Actually, I think it’s supposed to be the Islamicists (I don’t think people like the real Jake know that it is Muslims who follow Islam). LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 10:51 amKeep in mind, this entire series of comments stems from the blatherings of a drug-crazed degenerate. Just to put things in perspective.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:51 amI mean c’mon why hasn’t thinkprogress.org put up any story about Senator Feinstein brewing scandal?? hmmm….
if it was a Republican that was invovled in this scandal thinkprogress.org would be crying about it….
so, thinkprogress.org is doing what they claim Rush Limbaugh did on his show. Thinkprogress.org is putting politics over the truth, putting winning elections over the truth…
typical political tactics, blame the other side of what you are doing…
March 30th, 2007 at 10:52 amHow about a system of government where no one acts immorally? And no one is corrupt? Maybe that’s impossible, but surely we can do better than this.
Comment by Sean — March 30, 2007 @ 10:47 am
From your lips to g*d’s ears.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:53 am#59: I agree with you that both parties have showed their corrupt ways and lack of ability (or desire) to run the government in the best interests of Americans. I would argue, however, that while the Democrats do this to some extent, Republicans do it as a matter of policy and to an extent far beyond that of Democrats.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amclearly, 76% of us shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
yessuh, mister rush. we’ll do as you say. i’m just whistlin’ down here in dixie awaiting your command.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:58 amATRWS,
really? you think Republicans do it as a matter of policy and far beyond Democrats?
I don’t know, all I know is that our government is broken, it was broken under Clinton with a Republican controlled Congress, it is broken under bush under a Democrat controlled Congress.
remember that Democrats controlled Congress from the 1950s until 1993…what did the Democrat congress do for us? and from 1994 until 2006, what did the Republican Congress do for us?
both parties have put their politics and their want to control and have power over us, the citizens and over the United States.
we are a civillization in decline, much like the Roman Empire in its last decades. “Rome” is burning and all left wing and right wing blogs, pundits, and politicians can do is point fingers at each other instead of fixing the problem.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:00 amBlithering idiots? That’s Rush’s audience alright. Don’t his listeners ever get offended when he calls them names?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:00 amtypical political tactics, blame the other side of what you are doing…
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Think “Progress” isn’t exactly trying to hide that this is a liberal blog… (It’s all in the name).
If you want the other side, you are free to go elsewhere to find it. TP isn’t meant to be one-stop shopping for all your news stories…
March 30th, 2007 at 11:02 amRush, and his local radio clones who talk about this everyday, miss the reason this became an issue. The AG fired people who were from his team and if he’d left it at that, ther would be no hearings. But in a stupid attempt to jstify the resignations, the AG accused a bunch of lawyers of incompetence.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:03 amThese were loyal team players, more interested in their job than in the politics of the AG. They could not,however, brook being called incompetents by their own boss. As Chiara noted, it can make getting another job slightly mor difficult. So they started speaking out. Which is how we ended up with the cover-up being more dangerous to the AG than the firings.
If the AG had just fired thm and said nothing, there would be no hearings.
I mean think about this….
All members of Congress are in a retirement plan that is NOT Social Security, but rather a much, much better retirenment plan than any of us will ever have….
whether it is Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Murtha, or Republicans in Congress, once they retire, their retirement plan is much better than anyone of us will ever have…
If Senators and Representative believe that Social Security is in such good shape, how come they have a seperate retirement plan than us? why?
I mean let us be honest, in all Presidential elections and in most congressional elections it has come down to who do you believe is the lesser of two evils, right? not who is the best man or woman, but rather who do you believe is going to screw me, my family and my community less…..
March 30th, 2007 at 11:03 amunbelievable,
that is the problem with American politics today…silly little catch phrases that both sides want to grab unto and put them out there as a marketing campaing…
sorry, both sides have a huge lack of progress and if thinkprogress.org, it wouldnt’ be afraid to use the term thinkliberal.org….
March 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amThe claims of “blithering idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about” is SO amusing coming from Rush “What Do You Mean Sherrod Brown’s White?” Limbaugh
March 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amwe are a civillization in decline, much like the Roman Empire in its last decades. “Rome†is burning and all left wing and right wing blogs, pundits, and politicians can do is point fingers at each other instead of fixing the problem.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Not really. The Democrats have passed a lot of Bills in the House to try and fix teh mess that Bush has made of our country. Unfortunately, the Republicans in the Senate are refusing to help, and Bush is threatening to veto everything he doesn’t like… That’s not a mutual fiddling.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amCaptain Kirk,
If you caught the jist of what I was saying you would have caught a couple of key points.
A) its a matter of one’s perspective about government. The modern conservative movement has positioned itself as the anti-government movement. While I will not argue that many in the Democratic Party have not been good legislators or executives, the intent (generally) speaking is to be effective at delivering good government. While many in the Republican Party (currently the torch carriers of the conservative movement) have been very outspoken in their desire to do away with government. So the intent ( see the response to Hurricane Katrina) is to show tht government can’t help people. Which is false. Government can help, as long as those who are running it, actually care for it.
B) I was in no way trying to make this a partisan thing. It is a general worldview thing. I am no fan of Democratic Leaders like Rahm Emmanuel and the Clintons. They are to blame largely (along with the Gingrich led congress) for the atrocious trade policies that have helped erode this countries middle class.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amJust a quick (and slightly off-topic) note that Michael Smerconish will be on Bill Mahr for some odd reason tonight.
As with Mr. Frum, Smerconish has absolutely no credibility and I hope that the blogs pick up on that after he spews out whatever BS he has to offer.
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March 30th, 2007 at 11:07 amgott a agree with Capt. Kirk, If true, Feinstein is no better than Cheney.The enemy is corruption.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:08 amCapt. Kirk = Concern Troll
March 30th, 2007 at 11:08 am#43 Jake
For the record, at one point in time, MORE than 72% of Americans supported this President — weren’t they “blithering idiots†then according to you guys?
Nope. Just slow learners. Like you, but not nearly so dense. And besides, when the Washington Post and NY Times and all of the rest of the MSM were cheerleaders for Bush’s war, average American citizens had no idea what was really going on. Once they got an inkling and started to realize they were being lied to, and stopped taking for granted what Bush told them, the whole thing slowly started to unravel for Bushco.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amI mean let us be honest, in all Presidential elections and in most congressional elections it has come down to who do you believe is the lesser of two evils, right?
Honest? You mean you usually aren’t? I find it’s easier to just be honest. If people don’t like it, well, that’s their issue…
To answer your question – No. I’ve voted ‘for’ more candidates than against their opponents. I still believe John Kerry would have been a good President. Not great – but he would have been an gigantic improvement over the retard currently running the show. “Be honest” – even you know that…
not who is the best man or woman, but rather who do you believe is going to screw me, my family and my community less…..
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:03 am
If you really feel that way, you should do something besides coming here and whining about a liberal blog. So start a campaighn, volunteer, spend your timebeing pro-active. Basically – take your own advice.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amActually, Jake, I thought damn near ALMOST EVERY US Attorney is replaced for “political reasons.” When a new President takes office, he often replaces many or all of the US Attorneys in order to promote his agenda. This, of course is based on the assumption that the President’s agenda is not based on circumventing the Constitution in order to create a one-party system. This, however, WAS the Bushie’s agenda. The Attorneys were fired, coincidentally in highly competitive districts either refused to file charges on Democrats for voter fraud because there was NO evidence of voter fraud, or who intended to file charges on Republicans because there WAS evidence of wrongdoing. Regardless of your political affiliation, anyone who considers him or herself an “American” at all, should be incensed that anyone would try to take over the entire system of government like that. Even if your voice happens to agree with every little thing this Administration says and does (though those are often two different things), what they attempted to do would insure your voice wouldn’t matter anyway, you know, JUST IN CASE anything ever happened that you may disagree with. So you can either keep crying over what’s happened before, or you can help with the effort to make sure nothing like this can EVER happen again, no matter what letter in parentheses follows their name in the media.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:12 am18.
Jake,
There were only TWO Clinton U.S. Attorneys who were asked to resign mid-term.
* Larry Colleton resigned shortly after he was videotaped grabbing Jacksonville television reporter Richard Rose by the throat.
* Kendall Coffey resigned amid accusations that he bit a topless dancer during a visit to a gentleman’s club.
Where’s the “political reason†?
Comment by VJ — March 30, 2007 @ 10:12 am
This needed to be repeated.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:12 am#44 Patrick1
Well said El Rushbo! Keep after the looney left.
Anyone who calls him “El Rushbo” needs to have their lips peeled off of his boil-covered ass with a spatula.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:13 amunbelievable,
don’t assume so much….I alreadyvolunteer for political campaigns….
I also volunteer for what I believe are social causes.
I do have the right to complain, though right?
it seems that todaya both side of the eisle want to take away everyone’s right to speak their mind.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:16 am#77Spock,
completly illogical….
March 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amScottie,
thank you….corruption knows not party, unlike many try to pretend here…
March 30th, 2007 at 11:18 amI notice that Jake showed up, delivered his requisite “Clinton did it too” and moved on. Maybe his work order only requires a single “Clinton did it” in order to have his invoice paid, and all those other times he stuck around to argue against all evidence and reason were on his own time.
In any case, I agree that Jake should be put on everyone’s Ignore Listâ„¢.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:19 amJake, honey, please stop sounding like a broken record. Even I am now getting tired of hearing (reading) the same boring repeated sound bites each and every post you (the real you) have been making for the past few days.
When you trot out those lame “but, Clinton…” phrases, you are sounding just like the Idiot in Chief. He is in the process of throwing temper tantrum after tantrum because he is now all alone in his glass house.
True, you may have the occasional supporter come in and reiterate what you have been saying, but you would think, after each and every time someone like BnF or TMM shoots down everything you have ever posted, you would get the hint.
You are doing nothing for yourself but sounding like a Bushie when you repeat the same sound bites over and over again.
I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt and was even trying to be polite to you earlier this week, but I’ve had it. Put me on “The List” or whatever, but I can’t keep listening to the same drivel from you and your supporters any more.
Good bye.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:19 amHe starting to see his purse get smaller and smaller.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amI swear if all of us really and truly fully ignored you know who, it would stop. I guaruntee it. I bet you. Just try it.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:21 am#59 Captain Kirk
Democrats have done as much of a good job at destroying our government and make it run like crap as the Republicans. Take off the partisan glasses, BOTH parties are to blame for how bad our government runs, BOTH.
It’s not even close right now. There were plenty of times in the past when the Democrats in Congress were doing some awful things, but for the past 10 years the GOP has been sliding into the abyss of bold-faced corruption. Ask yourself why they killed the defense contract oversight agency about 10 years ago and why they blocked every attempt to restore it while they were in the majority. They didn’t want to do oversight and they didn’t want anyone else to, either. But, they didn’t mind taking large campaign contributions and gifts from defense contractors during that time, did they?
Before you start with the “both parties do it” crap, you need to take a long hard look at what the Republican party has been doing and start acknowledging that.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:24 amseth and VJ:
There was never any “formal” investigation into those 2 firings — also, there were other mid-term replacements as well. That’s why I want to ask Clinton or Podesta the questions. Did you also see Carter’s replacement of Marston linked to above? Here a link to the CRS Report that lists at least 54 U.S. Attorneys replaced at some time other than beginning of the Presidnet’s term:
http://www.buzzflash.com/archives/07/US_attrny_rprt.pdf
March 30th, 2007 at 11:26 amProud Dem:
Since no one has ever PROVEN these earlier Carter and Clinton replacements were NOT for political reasons — at least in the broad sense that Sampson testified about yesterday — I fail to see how I’ve been shot down. Maybe I missed it — can you point to where that has happened?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amCan someone here PLEASE tell me how to put Jake on an ignore list?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:29 amI swear if all of us really and truly fully ignored you know who, it would stop. I guaruntee it. I bet you. Just try it.
Comment by ForTruth
I’m really gonna do it this time…..I swear I am.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amslappy magoo:
There were LEGITIMATE reasons for firing all these U.S. Attorneys as well.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amdon’t assume so much….I alreadyvolunteer for political campaigns….
I assumed nothing. From your posts it’s clear that you’re wasting a lot of time in here whining about a liberal blog being liberal. Seems better spent doing something, Start a ‘balanced’ blog of your own…
I also volunteer for what I believe are social causes.
So? Apparently it doesn’t keep you busy enough that you have to take on rather petty issues…
I do have the right to complain, though right?
Complain – yes… But disrupt a discussion to do it over and over, and I have the right to complain about that. You are about being balanced, right?
it seems that todaya both side of the eisle want to take away everyone’s right to speak their mind.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:16 am
I disagree. I don’t think you can make that claim about them all equally like that. It’s absolutistic, and unfair.
Go after the ones who have demonstrated this – don’t just lump in all the apples together with the few bad and expect to be taken seriously (which is actually my issue with your posts – I don’t take absolutism seriously because it doesn’t exist very often, and certainly not in this case).
March 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amI wonder if Jake used this moral equivalency on his parents last week when he pointed his guilty little finger at a poor sibling. Jake, this is an adult site. We can recommend many teenage/pop sites for you, if you’d like.. You are irrelevent son, and very boring. Go outside and play…
March 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amcorruption knows not party, unlike many try to pretend here…
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
That’s NOT what we’ve said. We’ve simply refuted your absolutistic claim that all of our politicians are equally corrupt. Not only have you offered no evidence to support your sweeping claim, but you’re making this personal.
Absolutism is a sign of conservativism. Not that some liberals aren’t – it’s just generally a sign of conservativism because it is tied into religious absolutism. It’s pretty obvious that you’re batting for the Right and trying to look neutral by attackign both parties. As a left of center Independent, it’s pretty obvious that the mess in Washington is not mutual. That the Republicans carry the greater burden. therefore, logic tells me that your argument is simply meant to insult the Democrats (since only 50% of the blame to Republicans is a vast improvement than the 90% that they actually hold).
March 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amWin at all cost, this is the “Rove Doctrine”. “Limp-Bug” has it down right and it slipped out.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amIgnore….DONE
March 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amSean”
I am NOT saying “‘Clinton did it’ so that’s an excuse to break the law.” I am saying “Clinton and Carter and every other Democratic President did it BECAUSE it is not against the law to replace U.S. Attorneys based on political reasons.” See the difference? I definitely want a system of government where no one acts immorally and no one is corrupt — I don’t think that is impossible — I also want one where there are no double standards. You would agree with that, right?
Now, if any of the current dismissals were for the purpose of obstruction of justice, that’s another matter. Do you think a pre-emptive Presidential pardon of Rove would legally be “obstruction of justice”?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:38 amcircusfifthfloor:
“Son”, my parents went to be with their Lord a while ago now — how old are you?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:39 amRobots! Robots and clowns!
March 30th, 2007 at 11:42 am[...] got a poll: ‘Do you think something’s wrong about the firing of eight US attorneys?’” said Limbaugh. “72 percent said yes. 72 percent of the American people, a bunch of blithering idiots who [...]
March 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amDo peolpe actually listen to Ol’Cottonhead? Wow.
These ‘conservatives’ would crucify Jesus claiming he supports terrorism.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:43 amunbelievable,
me making it personal? did you read your post #79 to me? you made it personal and now you cry, like a good partisan, when someone else uses your same tactics…..
It is obvious that you bat for the left, it never fails. When someone blames the other side more than their own, it is obviously that they are partisan.
If you are going to play the numbers game, don’t forget that Democrats have controlled Congress for decades longer than Republicans have.
Republicans have controlled the Presidency for more years, but Democrats have controlled Congress for far more years.
Please, you petty insults and dimb witted posts are a joke.
i could careless whether you believe me or not when I say that I am a true Independent, not a fake Independent like you.
When was the last time you voted Republican?
I have voted Republican and Democrat in local, State and Federal elections.
I don’t ascribe to a party or a silly ideology like you do, I ascribe to my personal beliefs and I vote for politicians that I believe agree with me.
also, it is funny that you attack absolutism in your post and yet you point out with ABSOLUTE certainty that Republicans have a greater blame….
I thought you said absolutism is a sign of religious whackos?!!
here is a clue for you, you can’t say that absolutism is wrong, since with this statement you are making an absolute, right?
typical, just typical…did you think before you wrote your post?
and don’t cry about making it personal since you did that long before I….
March 30th, 2007 at 11:47 amJake,
Read the PDF you provide a link for.
US attorneys are constantly being replaced, mostly for career advancement reasons. They move onto other jobs. That’s not the issue here.
On occasion, an attorney will be replaced due to serious performance issues…like the PDF says, there are valid reasons Reagan and Clinton replaced two attorneys. Such reasons are: bitting a topless dancer and choking someone (caught on video.) Neither of those activities sound like the kind of behavior you want USAttn’s involved in.
The Bush administration was replacing attorneys simply because they weren’t political enough for their liking. Many of the attorneys were involved in corruption probes that happened to be on Republican congressmen and were otherwise getting glowing performance evaluations. There was no reason to fire them; they were doing their job.
Bush has always put loyalty above performance, and this attorney probe is just more evidence to support that.
Rather than defend that which cannot be defended, simply admit that this administration politicizes EVERYTHING and has polarized the country more than it’s ever been.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:50 amHere a link to the CRS Report that lists at least 54 U.S. Attorneys replaced at some time other than beginning of the Presidnet’s term:
http://www.buzzflash.com/ archives/ 07/ US_attrny_rprt.pdf
Comment by Jake
Please, go away and read that report instead of only mentioning one fractional detail from the first page. Read the results of the report, fool.
And then stfu, because you’ve disproven your own assertion with this one simple report.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amunbelievable,
and here are some names that you should research when it comes to corruption…
William Clinton-Democrat
Hillary Clinton-Democrat
Jack Murtha-Democrat
Nancy Pelosi-Democrat
Diane Feinstein-Democrat
Harry Reid-Democrat
William Jefferson-Democrat
the other side…
Gonzalez-Republican
George Bush-Republican
Delay-Republican
Hasterd-Republicann
Newt-Republican
Foley-Republican
just to name a few corrupt politicans from both sides.
try to take off the partisan glasses and you will find that most politicians are corrupt.
oh lastly, if you honestly believe that John Kerry would have been a better President than George W. Bush you have to give me some of what you are drinking because sometimes I like to be dilusional too.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amJake’sBrainCellExplosion:
While the country is indeed polarized like I’ve not seen since the 1960’s — every one of those 54 replacements (whether for biting a topless dancer or moving up to federal judge) were based on POLITICS!!! Why is that so hard to understand?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:56 amI thought biting topless dancers was ok to do, my bad.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amCaptain Kirk,
Do you use the same username on RedState? I’d love to read your posts over there where you claim that the Republicans are as corrupt as the Democrats. And where you tell the posters that if they believe that GWB is a better president than John Kerry would have been, you’d like some of the kool-aid so you can be delusional too! I’m sure it’ll make for great reading.
Thanks.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amWe are conservatives, and we have high values, and high standards. -Flush
You mean getting addicted to drugs and calling people faggot is a high value? That the culture of corruption is high standards? That Delay and Cunningham were upholders of values?
Your a sad old joke Limbaugh, really.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pmRepublicans have controlled the Presidency for more years, but Democrats have controlled Congress for far more years.
Please, you petty insults and dimb witted posts are a joke.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:47 am
The Democratic Party was essentially two parties (Northern and Southern) merged together up until the 1960s. They then controlled Congress with a smaller majority up until the early 90s but through much of that time the White House was controlled by republicans.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pmNo, Rush, your audience isn’t that large.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmbluefish,
I will go to there bluefish and make such statements and I will get the same vile, venom and hate from the right that I receive from the left.
the problem is that both sides think they are better than the other one and you both make it pesonal…
but follow me to RedState, I am going there now….
March 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmJake says…
There were LEGITIMATE reasons for firing all these U.S. Attorneys as well.
Such as?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmDo you have some evidence of Carol Lam stroking some immigrants dick while in court?
AFTER I’VE HAD DIFFERENT TYPES OF ETHNIC CUISINE, I SOMETIMES LIKE TO HAVE A SMALL TASTE OF MY POOPY. IT REALLY ABSORBS THE DIFFERENT FLAVORS.
BILL CLINTON ALSO HAS GONE POOPY.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI definitely want a system of government where no one acts immorally and no one is corrupt — I don’t think that is impossible — I also want one where there are no double standards. You would agree with that, right? –Jake
Indeed.
Now, if any of the current dismissals were for the purpose of obstruction of justice, that’s another matter. Do you think a pre-emptive Presidential pardon of Rove would legally be “obstruction of justiceâ€? –Jake
Hmm. Beats me, I’m not a lawyer. I’m not concerned with the legality as much as I’m concerned with the sorry-ness of it. If the President had to pre-emptively pardon Rove, that would be yet another bullet point on how corrupt it’s all become.
Hopefully this will teach ALL politicians to be less corrupt. We shall see.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pmSo, um, Rush, let’s look back at the crest of conservative popularity, you know, the height of the Rush Limbaugh(tm) conservative revolution. And let’s do the math. What percentage of this 72% of blithering idiots did you have on your side? About half of them, seems to me. If you boys had, say 60% of the electorate on your side, than 32% of that 72% were PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED IN YOU.
In any case, you absolutely need about 23% to make it to 51. To keep winning elections, that is. That’s not 23 out of the 72, that’s 23 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Whom you desperately need. Whom you just told to go jump in the lake.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmpine:
Have you read any of Rep. Issa (R-CA) letters to Lam setting forth a couple cases in particular?
Sean:
In my opinion, a Presidential pardon IS legal and therefore cannot be “obstruction of justice” — same as the replacement of U.S. Attorneys — if you want to make it ILLEGAL, then do so, but don’t change the rules after the fact in some big game of Gotcha!
March 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pmevery one of those 54 replacements (whether for biting a topless dancer or moving up to federal judge) were based on POLITICS!!! Why is that so hard to understand?
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 11:56 am
And you know this because…?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:10 pmNow, if any of the current dismissals were for the purpose of obstruction of justice, that’s another matter. Do you think a pre-emptive Presidential pardon of Rove would legally be “obstruction of justice� –Jake
That would be unabashed man man love and corrupt cronyism.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmRush needs Bush to put another AG that will allow him to illegally use drugs and abuse kids. It’s costing Rush alot of money to go overseas to molest little girls. Gonzales was a big help to the Texas Rangers who were never charged with molesting kids so they still do it. Finger Foley is now out of Rehab. and needs to get back to being a pervert and find some more boys to have sex with. Gonzales is really needed by some of the GOP and people like Rush. If Gonzales leaves these perverts might not be able to continue abusing kids while saying their Christians. Remember Fingers Foley had alot of people that knew what he was doing his staff, GOP elected officials and many more people that kept quiet and didn’t speak up to stop it. Keeping Gonzales will allow lying under oath to be legal and Libby can have those charges dropped and get back to work at the White House as now he’s unemployed. We need more criminals in the White House to help continue the crime wave Bush has set out to do.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmme making it personal?
Yes.
did you read your post #79 to me?
After I wrote it, yes.
you made it personal and now you cry, like a good partisan, when someone else uses your same tactics…..
Cry? LOL. What kind of tone are you assuming? You didn’t notice that I’ve only used periods at the ends of sentances? That means normal tone. I’ve also explained my logical trail – emotional people generally lose the ability to do that because adrenalin suppressed higher thinking functions.
Clearly, I have destroyed your argument, exposed your real motives, and it is now you who projects with the crying. You’re busted and you are now pitching a temper tantrum (by the way – this sentance IS personal. See the difference)?
It is obvious that you bat for the left, it never fails. When someone blames the other side more than their own, it is obviously that they are partisan.
So, if a drunk driver killed your wife, mother, brother, or best friend -you would believe that the drunk driver is only 50% responsible? …crazy…
If you are going to play the numbers game, don’t forget that Democrats have controlled Congress for decades longer than Republicans have.
The last time they had control was 1994. That was 22 years ago. You really are this obssessed?
Republicans have controlled the Presidency for more years, but Democrats have controlled Congress for far more years.
Your point?
Please, you petty insults and dimb witted posts are a joke.
I made no insults – just pointed out the reality. It isn’t always to your liking, you know. But your response to that is obviously very weak. You’re now emotional, and I’m laughing because your actions simply validate my claim, and you don’t like that you’ve been busted…
i could careless whether you believe me or not when I say that I am a true Independent, not a fake Independent like you.
Wow… How utterly clever… LOL. Really, if this is the bets you can do? You should form your own Ignore List and put this blog on it. Clearly you can’t handle being here with peopel who think for themselves. LOL
When was the last time you voted Republican?
November 2006. For Govenor. His policies were better than his opponents.
I have voted Republican and Democrat in local, State and Federal elections.
I used to be a Republican. It’s how I know that you are one.
I don’t ascribe to a party or a silly ideology like you do, I ascribe to my personal beliefs and I vote for politicians that I believe agree with me.
Yet you keep demonstrating the opposite…
also, it is funny that you attack absolutism in your post and yet you point out with ABSOLUTE certainty that Republicans have a greater blame….
No I didn’t. Are you actually saying that the Republicans who controlled the whole show for 6 years do not have the greater blame? How did you pass third grade math?
I thought you said absolutism is a sign of religious whackos?!!
Show where I used the word “whackos” (it’s spelled w-a-c-k-o, actually. Whack means to hit)
here is a clue for you, you can’t say that absolutism is wrong, since with this statement you are making an absolute, right?
Wrong. Interesting taht you’re defening absolutism and further outing yourself as a Republican who came here to disrupt…
typical, just typical…did you think before you wrote your post?
As opposed to regugitating talking points like you? You sure are awfully defensive for someone professing to be innocent…. LOL
and don’t cry about making it personal since you did that long before I….
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:47 am
I can’t help it… I always cry when I laugh this hard…. LOL
I think it’s time for Scotty to beam you somewhere else.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pm#108 Captain Kirk
That’s pretty weak stuff. Instead of just posting a bunch of names, why don’t you tell us what it is they were accused of, whether or not they were indicted, whether or not they were convicted, and just for good measure you could tell us how much time and money was spent investigating some of these people without convicting them of anything (see: Whitewater).
And how did you miss Cunningham, Ney, and DeLay? Not to mention all the members of their congressional staff and associates who also got busted.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pmIn my opinion, a Presidential pardon IS legal and therefore cannot be “obstruction of justice†-Jake
Then what is a pardon good for if not to cloak corruption?
Don’t you have to do something wrong first to then get pardoned from? Libby obstructed justice and now just because someone can they will give this man a pardon.
Why do we even have laws?
You said you didn’t want corruption in politics and now you do an about face????
March 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmand here are some names that you should research when it comes to corruption…
Why? You too lazy to do your own research. Funny how short your list is… Especially in comparision to the lengthy lists of corruption from the Right that are all over the place if you’re only willing to look.
try to take off the partisan glasses and you will find that most politicians are corrupt.
It’s because you are wearing them that you assume all others are. We aren’t. Reality just has a lineral bias.
oh lastly, if you honestly believe that John Kerry would have been a better President than George W. Bush you have to give me some of what you are drinking because sometimes I like to be dilusional too.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Says the neocon here posing ans an Independent so he can get away with insulting teh Democrats… LOL. You aren’t fooling me and you know it…
March 30th, 2007 at 12:17 pmWilliam Clinton-Democrat
Hillary Clinton-Democrat
Jack Murtha-Democrat
Nancy Pelosi-Democrat
Diane Feinstein-Democrat
Harry Reid-Democrat
William Jefferson-Democrat
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 11:53 am
You have a legitimate argument w/ William Jefferson. Murtha’s corruption was decades ago. And the Clintons were hunted by the republicans the entire time they were in the White House and all they come up with is a lie about a BJ.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI was thinking the exact same thing. He admitted that his constant assault against a mythical “liberal media bias” as resulted in a true dominant “conservative media.” Probably jokes about it with his cigar buddies but let it slip out on his show. I wonder how he’ll back-peddle that one?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmAnd now Jake we have a crowing cranium, FLush Dimbuld saying it’s more important to keep the incompetent and corrupt just so the conservatives (who he just claimed had high values) should keep low value people around to win elections?
Amazingly people will listen to this Orwellian garbage, “Yes Rush is right we have high values and we need to keep our corrupt and incompetent people in power because we have high values”
If people can’t see thru the doublespeak, then they deserve Rush and his culture of incompetency.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmI will go to there bluefish and make such statements and I will get the same vile, venom and hate from the right that I receive from the left.
It is you who assigns tone. What does that say aboutyou?
Actually, I was neither vile nor hateful. Just because you don’t like the truth I pointed out doesn’t mean you can falsely vilify my remarks.
You’re a sad little man.
the problem is that both sides think they are better than the other one and you both make it pesonal…
No the problem is that you claim to think for everyone and that it gives you some right to come here and bash us. And then, when we defend ourselves, in our home, you shit all over the carpet and claim it is self-defense.
If you can’t handle being around people who think, you really should find a better use for your time.
but follow me to RedState, I am going there now….
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Good riddance!
March 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmIf anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) can point to me a single Founding Father who wrote the Presidential pardon power was corrupt, in and of itself, please do so.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmIn my opinion, a Presidential pardon IS legal and therefore cannot be “obstruction of justice†— same as the replacement of U.S. Attorneys — if you want to make it ILLEGAL, then do so, but don’t change the rules after the fact in some big game of Gotcha!
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Presidential pardons are in the Constitution. If you fire attorneys to obstruct justice, it’s a crime.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:24 pmunbelievable,
#124…
so you know I am a Republican because you were a Republican once? wow…such logic, such great thinking, hold the phones, call the press, we have God in our mists….(of course pure and utter sarcasm)
please guy, you think you are great, you are not. you think you are smart, you are not, you think you are a quick witted person, you are not.
you extreme left wingers never fail…..
you were all once in the military…
none of you voted for Clinton…
you were all once Republicans…
do you realize that every single statement you made in your post has been said to me by hundreds of other left wingers, liberal Democrats like yourself…
try to be original, i may start taking you seriously, in the mean time keep up with the dimb witted posts, they make me laugh hard and show how desperate you are to prove you aren’t a partisan and that I am….
and so what if I am defending absolutism….what is it to you….
there are absolutes as much as there are things that are relative.
both exist….but keep posting your extreme liberal views, they only show how much of a partisan you are.
and tone…you mean to tell me that you “hear” tones when you read this thread? have you taken your medication lately?
now post again and amuse me son.
Obviously I hit a never when I told you that both parties are equally corrupt. You are too partisan to see it and too dishonest to admitted. Takke off the partisan glass you so much deny you don’t have and may start taking your silly posts seriously.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pm#120 Jake
Have you read any of Rep. Issa (R-CA) letters to Lam setting forth a couple cases in particular?
Funny you should ask. I was wondering where Issa got an internal Border Patrol memo from 2003 that was doctored to look like it came out in 2004. Any ideas? And why is it that Issa was so incensed about Lam making big immigration busts and getting longer sentences for the perps instead of making a lot of little ones? It’s an interesting phrase that Sampson used in May of last year about planning to put her “on a very short leash.” That doesn’t suggest having her be aggressive in pursuing immigration cases. It sounds more like they want her to stay off of other cases. Like crooked GOP congressmen.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmA SUGGESTION: IGNORE THIS POSTER
#132 If anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) can point to me a single Founding Father who wrote the Presidential pardon power was corrupt, in and of itself, please do so.
Comment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
March 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmIf anyone (NOT on the “Ignore Listâ€) can point to me a single Founding Father who wrote the Presidential pardon power was corrupt, in and of itself, please do so. Comment by Jake
Please, it’s the abuse of the pardon thats the problem, just like Georges abuse of executive signing statements. Why did Elliott Abrams get a pardon, so he could come back and do the same thing again? Huh? Why did B Sr. pardon a known drug dealer?
And to hell with your childish ignore list. Ignoring posts you can’t respond too due to some mythical list is immature.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pmJake – just go read the Constitution yourself so you can stop embarrassing yourself and annoying us.
Here’s a link:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html
March 30th, 2007 at 12:29 pmunbelievable,
“…defending our shit…” wait, i thought you claimed that you aren’t partisan….by “our” shit you include yourself as a member of the left wing partisan site that you are on, right? and the left wing views that are posted on this thread, right? so much for unbelievable not being partisan.
what is sad is that he/she honestly believes what he posts.
ahhh…so easy to destroy the argument of partisan hacks…
thanks for playing…next
March 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pmhttp://www.capitolhillblue.com/cm/content/view/322/159/
March 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pms sez:
We can’t, s…when we do, Dale swoops in and bleats about how no one can refute Jake’s arguments…thing is, when we then proceed to do so, Dale refuses to debate with us as well. ^_^
March 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmGood riddance!
Comment by unbelievable — March 30, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
yes, most insecure people love it when people that challenge their closed minded world view leave them alone….
such partisan fool.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pm“72% of the American people, a bunch of blithering idiots who have no idea what they’re talking about,”
Well of course he’s right — but Oxycontin man’s problem is that they’ve figured out that the Bush administration and the Republican Party are run by even BIGGER blithering idiots.
Being smarter than the average American couch potato is setting the bar pretty low. Nonetheless, the modern conservative movement can’t clear it.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pmPoor babies “can’t” ignore me — it works just fine when I ignore them.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pmLimbaugh: Winning Elections More Important than Firing Gonzales…
On the other hand, it’s not like Rush’s admission is any sort of surprise……
March 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmwhat is sad is that he/she honestly believes what he posts.
-Captain Kirk.
You got a crystal ball Cap’n? How do you know what you post is true and theirs isn’t? How do you know thru a screen that they are insecure?
Thing is you don’t. =)
March 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pmso you know I am a Republican because you were a Republican once? wow…such logic, such great thinking, hold the phones, call the press, we have God in our mists….(of course pure and utter sarcasm)
I’m an Atheist.
Your lack of humor further proves you are a con…
please guy, you think you are great, you are not. you think you are smart, you are not, you think you are a quick witted person, you are not.
So much for your intellect – I’m a woman.
Numbers don’t lie. I have a high IQ. So that’s another blantant strawman.
you extreme left wingers never fail…..
Left of Center is extreme to you? Wow – you’re REALLY conservative.
you were all once in the military…
none of you voted for Clinton…
you were all once Republicans…
I was never in the military. Like you.
I didn’t vote for Clinton. Like you.
I was a registered Republican . Like you.
It’s how I see through yor guise, and why you validate it with every temper tantrum youthrow.
do you realize that every single statement you made in your post has been said to me by hundreds of other left wingers, liberal Democrats like yourself…
Reality has a liberal bias.
Though, a real Independent wouldn’t keep score.
try to be original, i may start taking you seriously, in the mean time keep up with the dimb witted posts, they make me laugh hard and show how desperate you are to prove you aren’t a partisan and that I am….
LOL… You should re-read that paragraph, neocon.
and so what if I am defending absolutism….what is it to you….
I oppose absolutism.
there are absolutes as much as there are things that are relative.
Not within the human ability to know.
both exist….but keep posting your extreme liberal views, they only show how much of a partisan you are.
You keep saying. Repeating your lies doesn’t make them true.
and tone…you mean to tell me that you “hear†tones when you read this thread? have you taken your medication lately?
Literally hear? No. But when you read, well, if you read above a third grade level, you assign a tone to what you’re reading so that it has context. It’s why punctuation exists… Basic stuff… Hello?
now post again and amuse me son.
You aren’t amused – you’re angry. You’ve ceased using your higher brain skills (grammar).
Obviously I hit a never when I told you that both parties are equally corrupt. You are too partisan to see it and too dishonest to admitted. Takke off the partisan glass you so much deny you don’t have and may start taking your silly posts seriously.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
They aren’t equally corrupt. Because if they were, you would have proven it instead of trying to insult me (which you’re not doing very well, by the way).
Why would I want a lying clown to take me seriously? LOL
Prove they are EQUALLY corrupt. If you’re right, this will be easy for you…
March 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pmyou were all once in the military…
none of you voted for Clinton…
you were all once Republicans…
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Huh?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:42 pmBecause I don’t agree with Rush makes me a left wing viewist Cap’n Kirk?
And if you type that I am a left wing viewist that makes it so?
Did you not just believe what you typed is truth?
Rush is for incompetency, is that a right wing view?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pmPoor babies “can’t†ignore me — it works just fine when I ignore them.
Comment by Jake
No, we are responding for the lurkers =) Remember?
And BTW you still likely read my posts, you just won’t reply directly.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pmZep Tepi,
No, you aren’t a extreme left winger for not agreeing with Rush, plenty of right wingers don’t like his tactics and some of his views.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pm“…defending our shit…â€
You can’t even quote me correctly. Only people who can’t make an argument on tehir own have to resport to such egregious tactics.
wait, i thought you claimed that you aren’t partisan….by “our†shit you include yourself as a member of the left wing partisan site that you are on, right?
No, I just proved that you aren’t who you claim to be. See how easy that was? LOL Sucker! You’ve been had.
and the left wing views that are posted on this thread, right? so much for unbelievable not being partisan.
what is sad is that he/she honestly believes what he posts.
Oh and you trying to defelect from being caught in a bold faced lie isn’t sad? The only person you are fooling is yourself.
ahhh…so easy to destroy the argument of partisan hacks…
thanks for playing…next
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Yes, it was pretty easy to destroy you… You offered illogical claims, no evidence to support your illogical claims, and then resulted in personal attacks when you couldn’t substantiate your illogical claims.
Typical neocon liar…
March 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pmyes, most insecure people love it when people that challenge their closed minded world view leave them alone….
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I see you also lack reading comprehension… Another indication that you are a redneck Republican.
Still offering ZERO evidence of your ‘equal’ blame… No surprise there. LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThe List of current Rush Limbaugh advertisers as of 2/26/03 can be found here:
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/rushbusted.html
Dear [advertiser],
Do you know that one of the people you sponsor said on the air that 72% of Americans are “blithering idiots”? I personally think that’s an offensive thing to say, and when I heard your advertisement shortly after he called most Americans “blithering idiots” I said to myself, “if [advertiser] supports that opinion, I don’t think I want to buy their products”.
If you want my business, you should either tell Rush Limbaugh to apologize for making that statement, or cancel your sponsorship of his program.
Thanks
March 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pm[me]
No, you aren’t a extreme left winger for not agreeing with Rush, plenty of right wingers don’t like his tactics and some of his views.
Comment by Captain Kirk
I’m not an extreme left winger, but a left winger?
Rush just embraced incompetency in government to win elections. I don’t much care what side of the pumpkin patch of pundit pinheads he’s from. Thats quite an inane thing to say.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pm#146unbelievable,
all you wrote is a bunch of…blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah….
try to have some subtance in your posts. You may start sounding intelligent.
now, follow my orders and post again and amuse me.
p.s.-with every post you put in this thread you validate what I already know about you. You are a left wing partisan hack that has never voted Republican and that lies when he claims to be an Independent. Facing this truth and admitting to it will take you closer to becoming a man.
furthermore, did you know that with every statement that you make against absolutism, you are actually making absolute statements?
so if you are against absolutism, why do you keep on making absolute statements? why? I guess no one has ever taught you how to think, eh? most partisan hacks, left or right are too blinded by their partisan politicans and world view to see how wrong they are….
anyway, just post and amuse me.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmunbelievable,
if it helps you sleep better at night to think I am partisan, believe it son.
I don’t need to prove to you that both parties are equally corrupt. This is a fact that only partisan hacks from the left AND the right deny.
once again, if it helps you sleep at night to lie to yourself by all means lie to yourself.
your name fits you well, you are not to be believed.
anyway, post way, you are one funny partisan hack. Both sides have them.
the funny thing is that I am having the same exact debate with a right winger and they are using the same exact tactics that you are….
partisan hacks are all the same, whether they are from the left or right…
March 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pmYou’ve had your fifteen minutes.
Heh, I miss the real scandals of old Blumenthal, that that was a crook!
March 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pmCaptain Kirk sez:
That’s it? That’s the best you’ve got?
Those who can’t refute, dismiss, Kirk.
I’m going to call it…T.O.D. of Kirk’s argument, 12:53 pm.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI personally think that’s an offensive thing to say, and when I heard your advertisement shortly after he called most Americans “blithering idiotsâ€
Rush seems to forget his highly intelligent addiction to prescription drugs and the genius like hearing loss associated with that, yet amazingly he want’s blithering idiots (incompetents) in government so they can win elections. heh. =)
March 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmzep tepi,
I don’t know your views, haven’t read them…so you may be or may not be…
March 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmzep tepi, I don’t know your views, haven’t read them…so you may be or may not be…Comment by Captain Kirk
Doesn’t really matter does it? You would decide they are left or right based on your views which may be left or right.
A real conundrum eh? =)
March 30th, 2007 at 1:04 pmTripMaster,
why would I waste my time responding to a post that lacks substance, why?
I am sure you don’t waste your time responding to posts when you know they have no substance, right?
I refuted unbelieve statements a long time ago, he is too partisan to see it and he keep son coming back with a bunch of blah, blah, blah…
those that lose the argument are usualy the first ones to deny it, just like unbelieveable is doing.
so he can post way and amuse me…
if you want to have an intelligent, meaningful debate I would urge you not to defend those that lack it.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pmWelp, I gotta take the dog for a walk down the center of the sidewalk. =)
TTFN -Zep
March 30th, 2007 at 1:07 pmZep Tepi…
yeap, just like you…and most of us…we would all decide based on our personal believes whether someone is right or left of politics.
Just like you believe tha tRush is for incompetence, but does that make it so? for you yes, but not for others right….
yes, our world view influences how with think and how we perceive others.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pm#139 Captain Kirk
Who else says “Thanks for playing”? Was that MA that used to say that a lot? Or maybe it’s just a redstate-ism.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmchimpeach,
why do members on blogs of both side of the eisle always try to claim that people they disagree with are someone else….
March 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmDo farts have lumps?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmall you wrote is a bunch of…blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah….
What does this comment have to do wuith you PROVING that the Democrats are as equally corrupt as the Republicans?
Nothing. You’re just trying to insult me to hide that you cannot prove your illogical claims. And you’re not doing the insulting any better than the accusing.
try to have some subtance in your posts. You may start sounding intelligent.
now, follow my orders and post again and amuse me.
What does this comment have to do wuith you PROVING that the Democrats are as equally corrupt as the Republicans?
Nothing. You’re just trying to insult me to hide that you cannot prove your illogical claims. And you’re not doing the insulting any better than the accusing.
p.s.-with every post you put in this thread you validate what I already know about you. You are a left wing partisan hack that has never voted Republican and that lies when he claims to be an Independent. Facing this truth and admitting to it will take you closer to becoming a man.
The only liar bewteen us is you. It’s why your pitching temper tantrums instead of proving your claims.
I’m not interested in becoming a man. I’m guessing you’re not actually reading my posts if you missed the part about me being a WOMAN.
furthermore, did you know that with every statement that you make against absolutism, you are actually making absolute statements?
Only an idiot would claim that.
so if you are against absolutism, why do you keep on making absolute statements? why? I guess no one has ever taught you how to think, eh? most partisan hacks, left or right are too blinded by their partisan politicans and world view to see how wrong they are….
What does this comment have to do wuith you PROVING that the Democrats are as equally corrupt as the Republicans?
Nothing. You’re just trying to insult me to hide that you cannot prove your illogical claims. And you’re not doing the insulting any better than the accusing.
anyway, just post and amuse me.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
No it doesn’t – it makes you angry.
if it helps you sleep better at night to think I am partisan, believe it son.
Do you know what a woman is? It means I have two X chromosomes that produced female reproductive organs.
Or is your teeny timy mind incapable of accepting that you’re getting your ass kicked by one?
I don’t need to prove to you that both parties are equally corrupt. This is a fact that only partisan hacks from the left AND the right deny.
Yes, you do have to PROVE it if you want to be taken seriously.
Threatening me doesn’t work.
your name fits you well, you are not to be believed.
No, it means I’m an Atheist – a free thinker.
anyway, post way, you are one funny partisan hack. Both sides have them.
If that means that I expect you to prove your claims, then whatever works for you… I doubt you own a dictionary to go look uit up anyway.
the funny thing is that I am having the same exact debate with a right winger and they are using the same exact tactics that you are….
Liar.
partisan hacks are all the same, whether they are from the left or right…
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Nope. People on the left tend to be smarter and more educated.
Proof of this is available to you if you learn how to use “the google”… LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmPoor Jake. He can’t even get his facts together when they are supportive of his cult leader. Bush enjoyed approval ratings over 80% right after the attack on 9-11 — better than the 72% Jake cites and almost unprecidented in modern politics.
That Bush was to squander these plus-80% ratings and end up in the low 30’s is simply another testimonial to his incompetence.
And Captain Kirk, you’re not fooling anyone with that whining “too much partisanship” act. What a steaming pile of nonsense.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI’m going to call it…T.O.D. of Kirk’s argument, 12:53 pm.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — March 30, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
I think it was just nerves that kept him twitching this long… He was pretty much D.O.A. :)
March 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmSorry folks, I didn’t read all the crap on the limpdick thread today…He and his wanting his 15 minutes of fame every day make me ill….I only have one thing to repeat….limpdick is the only person I know who has 3 asses, one in his face and 2 on his back side and he spew’s crap from all three…Blessings, we need them…Peace, demand it
March 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pmAnd Captain Kirk, you’re not fooling anyone with that whining “too much partisanship†act. What a steaming pile of nonsense.
Comment by Bluedog49 — March 30, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
The neocons always under-estimate us, don’t they? :)
March 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pmHelp! I got my wee-wee stuck in my dog’s butt. What should I do?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmKirk–
New to this thread. You asked a question earlier which I believes deserves an answer:
“remember that Democrats controlled Congress from the 1950s until 1993. what did the Democrat congress do for us?”
Technically, it’s “Democratic”; I tend to refer to the Republicans the way they want to preferred; it would be polite for you to do the same.
Off the top of my head:
Civil Rights Act 1964, Voting Rights Act 1965, Medicare late 1960s, Clean Air Act 1970, Clean Water Act later 1970s, the Balanced Budget Act of 1993 (yes, it involved tax increases, but it generated a significant surplus and reduced the deficit), continued regulation of drugs so they’re safe through the FDA, continued regulation of food & water so you don’t, say, get e coli from meat, Americans with Disabilites Act, continued funding & expansion of the National Parks Service. I’d be really curious to know which of these you think constitutes “nothing.”
These laws have made significant, and I think most would agree, positive changes in our country.
(Also, please note that the Democrats did not control Congress from 1980-1986; during this time, the Republicans controlled the Senate. I’m always surprised how people gloss over this.)
March 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmunbelievable,
you obey well….follow my orders again and post again and amuse me….
March 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmCivil Rights Act of 1964 was opposed by the Democrat leadership, don’t forget that current Senator Byrd, Al Gore’s father and many other Democrats fillibustered this bill.
The balanced budget of 1993?! what?
The balanced budget was passed with Clinton and Newt both agreeing on the budget, nothing to do with a Democrat congress. It was a Republican Congress and a Democrat President that passed a balanced budget.
as for the term Democrat or Democratic, sorry guy, even member of your parties interchange both.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pmyou obey well….follow my orders again and post again and amuse me….
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Yes, I know I won the debate, big time…. You don’t have to keep demonstrating it with your juvenile comments…
March 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pm#166 Captain Kirk
why do members on blogs of both side of the eisle always try to claim that people they disagree with are someone else….
Do they always do that? How often does it happen to you? Maybe it’s because there are several trolls who keep coming back here disguising themselves as someone else until they invariably blow their cover by returning to their old traits. Or, maybe because there are so few people out there who aren’t embarassed to say the kinds of things you trolls say, that it’s probable we’re seeing recycled trolls.
I’m all for conservation, but I think used trolls really should be incinerated. It’s a hygeine issue.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pmGreg,
Excellent post. You’ve disproven William Shatner’s crazy claims. Thanks.
I wasn’t before, but perhaps now I will become partisan. Your argument was convincing…
March 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pm(Also, please note that the Democrats did not control Congress from 1980-1986; during this time, the Republicans controlled the Senate. I’m always surprised how people gloss over this.)
Comment by Greg — March 30, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
You forgot about the 2 largest and longest periods of economic growth in American history. ~1950’s, ~1990’s
March 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pmthe funny thing is that I am having the same exact debate with a right winger and they are using the same exact tactics that you are….
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Link please. I’d like to read it.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:36 pmhttp://lefthandjesus.blogspot.com/2007/03/krauthammer-on-gonzales.html
March 30th, 2007 at 1:37 pmunbelievable,
if it helps you sleep at night to believe you won the debate, by all means do so. Mature people, unlike you, know when they are debating against a mature person or against two year olds like you.
trying to debate with you is like explaining rocket science to a baby.
no matter how much effort I put into it, you will come back with the same left wing talking points, so why waste my time. I know, it is beyond you to comprehend this, you’ll come back with some two year old post like you have done in all of this thread. so….
…again, be the good follower that you are. Follow my orders, post away and amuse me .
March 30th, 2007 at 1:37 pm#176 Captain Kirk
as for the term Democrat or Democratic, sorry guy, even member of your parties interchange both.
No they don’t. It’s a right-wing thing and it’s intentional.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:38 pm#156 Captain Kirk
the funny thing is that I am having the same exact debate with a right winger and they are using the same exact tactics that you are….
Really? Is it on another blog? Which one? Point us to it so we can go read it.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pmDid Rush just say “there’s all kinds of corruption going on in there”? There’s all kinds of corruption going on in the [White House] — Rush Limbaugh.
Spread the word. Even Rush thinks the place is rotten.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:42 pmKirk–thanks for engaging. Now we’re getting somewhere.
Sorry–I used incorrect terminology for the 1993 budget bill. I meant the “Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.”
This is quick, so it’s off wikipedia:
In August of 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers, while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses.[11] Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, through the implementation of spending restraints. This, along with measures first begun under under President George Herbert Walker Bush[12] helped oversee the longest peace-time economic expansion in USA history.”
As for Civil Rights Act of 1964 voting breakdown:
*Strongly* supported by Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson–read Taylor March’s 3-volume biography of America in the King area, or “Judgment Days,” by Nick Kotz.
Voting breakdown by party:
The Senate version:
* Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:
* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
63% and 68%–doesn’t seem like something the “Democratic leadership” opposed, particularly given the “Democratic leadership” at the time started with LBJ. (Yes, Republican percentages are higher, but that’s because they had far fewer members–and they weren’t the ones pushing the bill. LBJ was.)
Of the house members who opposed it, 87 were from the South. *Southern* Democrats were a problem, agreed. This is why the Republicans pursued white Southerns with a vengeance with something called the “Southern Strategy”–speaking in racial code to exacerbate racial tensions, something which Ken Mehlman, former RNC chair, recently admitted & apologized for.
Anything on those other items I posted? Clean Air, Clean Water, National Parks?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmHow many Rove Fellows at the AEI get to use the moniker “Jake”? Makes your head spin.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI predict William Shartner, having also been bested by Greg, will resort to insulting him in 3…2…1….
LOL. Silly trolls!
March 30th, 2007 at 1:50 pm1. partisan means loyal to a party. One can be unabashedly liberal or left wing or right wing and not be “partisan”
2. I think we all know the Democrats suck.
3. Every link JAKE provides doesnt work, so I’m going to stick with what I’ve found in my own research. Gonzales/Bush fired these guys to obstruct ongoing investigations. That’s illegal, period. This will come out eventually.
4. I’m an absolutist when reality is absolute, a relativist when discussing everything else, and always and forever a leftwinger. Why? Because:
A. Some people have more power than others, whichw as gotten illegitimately.
B. Human beings can progress.
D. Violence is the cause of all unecessary human suffering.
E. Government should be small, local, almost invisible, but big enough to protect personal liberty and the common wealth called “earth”.
F. Freedom is more important than order, and ethics trump both.
G. Governments and individuals should abide the same moral standards
H. Internationalism is trues and better than nationalism.
I. Race is illusion
J. Feminism – a return to a balance between man and woman, as opposed to the maintenance of patriarchal power that has existed for six mimllenia or so – is good
K. Living out of balance with Earth (as American is, in the extreme) is both immoral and self-destructive.
L. America is not immune from the realities of history and the laws of cause and effect. Our empire will collapse without a recognition of and support for international ethics and equality.
hope that clear some things up.
d
March 30th, 2007 at 1:52 pmif it helps you sleep at night to believe you won the debate, by all means do so. Mature people, unlike you, know when they are debating against a mature person or against two year olds like you.
Still no validation of your claims, just ignorant opinion and juvenile insults. LOL
trying to debate with you is like explaining rocket science to a baby.
More like the other way around. You’re clearly the infant. Not that you’ve explained anything anyway.
no matter how much effort I put into it, you will come back with the same left wing talking points, so why waste my time.
You haven’t even tried. You have nothing, just admit it.
I know, it is beyond you to comprehend this, you’ll come back with some two year old post like you have done in all of this thread. so….
All of my posts have been over your head. So, if I’m mentally a two-year old, that makes you what – an unfertilized egg? At best…
…again, be the good follower that you are. Follow my orders, post away and amuse me .
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Child psychology is for children. I post of my own free will, and everyone who isn’t a child, except you, knows that… LOL. But keep repeating the same tactic over and over while expecting different results… It only shows that you’re crazy in addition to being a liar, stupid and immature.
I bet you aren’t even reading my posts… You’re too angry to focus. LOL Calm down, boy. LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 1:57 pm1. He said “the conservative media”. Can we please all accept that EVERY media has a bias… your particular flavor of bias being no better than another. Get over it.
2. I thought 51% was seen as a “mandate”, official vote or not. Gotta love the sliding scale…
STFURYDFF
March 30th, 2007 at 1:59 pmGreg,
Wikipedia is not exactly the authority in say all….Wikipedia is very unreliable, anyone can go in there and change things…
you seem to have completly ignored the fact that Senator Byrd, a current leader in the Democratic Party filibustered the Civil Rights act along with Al Gore’s father and plenty of other Democrats….
As for the Clean Air and Water Acts, good things, National Parks good thing…
but are you saying that from the 1950s until 1993 Democrat Control Congress was only able to pass 4 bills that were good for America? wow.
but it is good you aren’t relying on two year old insults like unbelievable to debate. Maybe he will take example and learn.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:59 pmRegarding the civil rights act:
Obviously, during the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s, the philosophies of the two parties did a bit of a switch over the issue of race.
To those who don’t understand this historic sea change in American politics, and insist on believing today’s GOP is the inheritor of Lincoln’s free-soil stance, all I can say is you shouldn’t be commenting on a political blog. Please read a history book or twelve, integrate the reality that the Democratic Party – while full of Southern racists until at least the 80’s – is the home of civil rights activists and their descendants, and then come back something new to say.
d
March 30th, 2007 at 2:01 pm#191unbelievable,
as i said, it was beyond you to comprehend my posts, thus you did as I prediceted, you wrote an immature post.
post away, if it makes you happy to repeat my thoughts and try to use them against me. you keep on proving that you aren’t a free thinker and you lack originality.
keep on amusing me, post away.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:02 pmCaptain Kirk = Lame
Seriously, lose the ‘tude first and you win…
‘Course, ‘tude is all a righty knows…
March 30th, 2007 at 2:03 pmbut it is good you aren’t relying on two year old insults like unbelievable to debate. Maybe he will take example and learn.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
The truth isn’t an insult. If you took it that way, it’s your issue. Not mine.
I’m a woman. Do you not know that that means SHE? Figures.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:05 pmTechnodaoist,
attitude, you must be reading too much into my posts.
it seems that all the left wingers have become pretty defensive when shown that both parties are equally corrupt.
the attitude is coming from you guys towards anyone that dares disagree…
but i welcome it, it only helps me strengthen my beliefs and my debating skills.
children like unbelieve just make it fun….
March 30th, 2007 at 2:08 pmJust like you believe tha tRush is for incompetence, but does that make it so?
Rush said it and I’m only agreeing with his statement, I don’t think incompetence is good no matter what side of the street one is standing on when viewing the clowns go by. =)
And there are Republicans that I like, Ron Paul for one, but I have yet to see you say the same for any Democrat. Homey don’t play lockstep group think.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pmas i said, it was beyond you to comprehend my posts, thus you did as I prediceted, you wrote an immature post.
Your opinions aren’t fact. Hell, they aren’t even rational.
post away, if it makes you happy to repeat my thoughts and try to use them against me. you keep on proving that you aren’t a free thinker and you lack originality.
You don’t have much, do you… You just keep saying the same nonsense over and over. And refusing to prove your claim.
keep on amusing me, post away.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Keep proving your lunacy by repeating that again and again… LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#197unbelievable…
figures….
just post way child…you are amusing.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pmThese guys really put all thier eggs into the 30% basket, don’t they?
March 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pmUnbelievable is a woman, phew, confirmation is always good.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:10 pmGreg,
do tell…did Pelosi not promise to end corruption, did Reid not promise this also?
did they also not promise to end the war in Iraq ASAP, so what is holding them back from keeping their promises….what?
why aren’t you all upset about Feinstein’s corruption? why is it that members of both parties are ok with corruption within their party, but hate it when it comes from the other party?
Democrats promised to work full 40 hour weeks like the rest of America, when was the last week this happened?
why is it that BOTH parties in Congress have much better retirement plans than the rest of America?
why was it that John Kerry was pushing against Social Security reform when he has an incredible retirement plan for being a Senator? I thought liberals thougth we were all equal? or is it like Animal Farm, we are all equal, it is just that some people are more equal than others…is that it?
and trust me, i have the same arguments against the Republicans…
March 30th, 2007 at 2:13 pmZep Tepi,
There are plenty of Democrats I like and plenty of Republicans I like. there are plenty of Democrats I dislike and plenty of Republicans I dislike….
homey, don’t assume things you have no clue about…You are making assumptions and you know what they say about assuming things aboout people you have never met…. ;)
March 30th, 2007 at 2:15 pmjust post way child…you are amusing.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Considering you keep repeating what I initially said, you areflattering me by copying me… LOL
You are boring… zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
March 30th, 2007 at 2:16 pmhomey, don’t assume things you have no clue about…You are making assumptions
You assumed that I’m assuming ergo you have made an assumption yourself. =)
Name a democrat, just one, you agree with.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:17 pmUnbelievable is a woman, phew, confirmation is always good.
Comment by ForTruth — March 30, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
Our discussions (stretching a bit to call them that :) wouldn’t make much sense otherwise, would they? :)
I’m bored with the regurgitating troll who can’t accept accountability (typical neocon) and keeps repeating what I say… Wanna play? :)
March 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#200…
unbelieve, you really have to have the last word, eh?
if you repeat the same stupidity, what do you expect me to do? i’ll repeat the same things i have said, over and over and over…
maybe if I write them enough time, and you are dumb enough to read them over and over you will mature and start comprehending…i doubt it, but worth a try, every human being deserves a chance, right?
much love little one…now, babe, post again with your incredible free will and amuse me….
March 30th, 2007 at 2:19 pmZep Tepi,
careful what you ask for, you WILL get it…I like Jim Webb, I think he is wrong on Iraq, but other than that I like most of what he stands for.
next please….this homey is getting belligerent like every other homey that is proven wrong.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:20 pmZep Tepi,
unless you personally know me, you are making assumptions about who I am and what I believe….thus, the only homey assuming things here is you. not an assumption on my part, but a fact.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:22 pmunbelieve, you really have to have the last word, eh?
Project much? I don’t see you shutting up.
if you repeat the same stupidity, what do you expect me to do? i’ll repeat the same things i have said, over and over and over…
My IQ is 136. Yours?
I was a gifted student.
I know I’m smart as much as I know I’m female. The facts don’t lie.
Calling a smart person stupid just makes you look like you aren’t capable of comprending what I say.
And repeating yourself only makes you look crazy to boot.
maybe if I write them enough time, and you are dumb enough to read them over and over you will mature and start comprehending…i doubt it, but worth a try, every human being deserves a chance, right?
Considering I’m not dumb, your strategy is merely insane. And now it’s boring too…
much love little one…now, babe, post again with your incredible free will and amuse me….
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
You’re demonstrating rage. Probably a result of your uncredibly small penis. LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pmZep Tepi,
here this will probably surprise you. I think, just like Webb did, that IRaq was a good thing at first. We got rid of a monster an dfreed this nation, but Rumsfeld did not plan well what was going to happen. This administtration thought that Iraqis would welcome us with open arms. At first they did, but their centuries old struggles got to the best of them and Al Qaeda is also in there making havoc.
Clinton destroyed our armed forces, pretty much…just like Al Franken says that armed forces that went into Afghanistan was Clinton’s armed forces. That means that all the lack of armored vehicle was thanks to the previous administration.
but now we have had a term and ahalf of Bush and we are still having problems equipping our troops well, a complete disgrace now, just like it was under clinton. OUr troops should have the best of the best of the best.
Walter Reed a problem under Clinton is still a problem today. it is being fixed, what the media doesn’t tell most of you is that the Bethesda hospital and Reed were being combined into one in a new hospital that will be done by the middle of next year. Still no excuse for the deplorable conditions that our wounded soldiers have had to endure under Bush and under Clinton.
Democrats are right in puttiing pressure on Maliki…..if Iraqis don’t stand up for their own freedom and to end the civil war, why should we, right?
I think Democrats are going about it the wrong way, but have good intentions.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pmZep Tepi,
unless you personally know me, you are making assumptions about who I am and what I believe….thus, the only homey assuming things here is you. not an assumption on my part, but a fact.
Comment by Captain Kirk
No, you assumed that I was assuming and that does not make it a fact. You have just assumed that I am assuming once again. You know what they say about people who assume, right? I do not assume what Rush said, he assumes that 72% of Americans are blithering idiots, he assumes that incompetent officals are good for his side, not me. I assume you know that Rush was assuming?
March 30th, 2007 at 2:29 pmnext please….this homey is getting belligerent like every other homey that is proven wrong.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Homey? How retarded are you?
If you keep getting the same responses from everyone you encounter, here’s a clue Einstein – it isn’t everyone else who has a problem – it is YOU.
Let me guess… you’ll repeat yourself and then pee your pants. LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI think Democrats are going about it the wrong way, but have good intentions. Comment by Captain Kirk
I agree. Yet they haven’t stood up even after 4 years of intentions by the Republicans.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:31 pmZep Tepi,
so you know me? so what you said about me wasn’t an assumption? c’mon guy….you are making assumptions about me, thus you are the one assuming things, once again, a fact that you want to deny.
and yes, Rush was assuming, Rush talks out of his ass and he does it on purpose to get under the skin of liberals and you guys play right into his hands…..
March 30th, 2007 at 2:33 pmComment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
I get it – you’re compensating for an incredibly tiny schlong (the spam filter clearly does not accept the medically correct terminology)…
March 30th, 2007 at 2:34 pmLet me guess… you’ll repeat yourself and then pee your pants. LOL
Comment by unbelievable — March 30, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
does it hurt your brain to come up with such “well thought out” posts and statements like this?
if you repeat the same two year old statements….
post way child…you are amusing…use your so called free will and do my bidding…post, post and post.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:34 pmthis homey is getting belligerent like every other homey that is proven wrong. -CK
I never get belligerent, thats an assumption on your part. How have you proven who’s right and wrong? By assuming your right? How is Rush’s assumptions correct?
I do not agree with Rush. If you do fine, that still doesn’t make his assumptions correct.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:35 pmZep Tepi,
I just don’t think that either party had bad intentions when it comes to Iraq.
Each party believes they are doing the best for America and both are being super stubborn!
March 30th, 2007 at 2:35 pmunbelievable…
and so it starts, the penis envy craze…
just post way little one….
lunatic I tell you, lunatic. ;)
March 30th, 2007 at 2:38 pmhe does it on purpose to get under the skin of liberals and you guys play right into his hands…..
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Logic trail:
William Shatner claims to believe in Absolutism.
In Absolutism there is only black and white – no shades of grey… meaning, a thing is either right or wrong, good or bad, moral or immoral…
Not only is ‘Independent’ a shade of grey, but by calling liberals ‘you’, he absolutistically is showing himself to be a Conservative.
Now the neocon, who cannot comprehend logic, will call me names and drool on himself. LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 2:39 pmthus you are the one assuming things, once again, a fact that you want to deny.
LOL, see you just assumed again! We can do this all day Cap’n. No one will win because their is nothing to win. See? Rush has said nothing factual and I don’t listen to him. Those that listen to him perhaps think he is saying something factual. They repeat him THINKING that he will get under a ‘liberals’ skin. I am not a liberal, something you just assumed ergo he doesn’t get under my skin, another assumption.
I agree with you that perhaps Rush is speaking out of his ass. =)
March 30th, 2007 at 2:40 pmZep Tepi,
but because you disagree with Rush, it doesn’t make him wrong, right?
AND
because anyone agrees with him, it doesn’t make him right, right?
anyway…
If Democrats honestly believe that this war is horrific, why don’t they just defund it and stop it in its track? because it is all about politics, they have good intentions, but their politics is more important to them.
Also, as I said, Rush talks a lot out of his ass and does everythign he can to irritate the left, and the left plays right into it.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:41 pmEach party believes they are doing the best for America and both are being super stubborn!
Comment by Captain Kirk
I agree. Now why do you think they are stubborn?
I think it’s because they pay more attention to NGO’s than to the people.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:42 pmdoes it hurt your brain to come up with such “well thought out†posts and statements like this?
You’ve demonstrated that you aren’t smart enough to understand the logic I posted. Probably because I have a triple digit IQ, so you can only make fun of what you cannot comprehend… So, now it’s just giving you a dose of your own medicine to see how you’ll respond. You’re just as predictably boring…
if you repeat the same two year old statements….
We weren’t conversing two years ago… Think much? You remind me of thr guy who got a vanity license plate on his Porsche, except, he wasn’t bright enough to know that he’d spelled out “PORCH” … LOL
post way child…you are amusing…use your so called free will and do my bidding…post, post and post.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Proving you’re a lying neocon is doing your bidding? Silly boy with a very small wanker… LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pmunbelievable,
i take it you failed reading comprehension in second grade, eh?
if you go back to what i wrote you will be shocked to find out that I believe in both relativism and aboslutism.
you are the one that is using absolutes to declare that there is not such thing as absolutes…
you cant’ say, “there aren’t absolutes…” why? can you comprehend why? does your brain matter allow you to think this deep? why? c’mon, think about it………………………………………………ok, didn’t think you could figure it out….
because the statement, “there aren’t absolutes…” is an absolute! get it? of course not.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:44 pmZep Tepi,
yeap, they pay more attention to special interest groups than they do to the people that vote for them….both parties do this.
off to lunch, but i’ll be back
March 30th, 2007 at 2:46 pmZep Tepi,
yeap, they pay more attention to special interest groups than they do to the people that vote for them….both parties do this.
off to lunch, but i’ll be back
Comment by Captain Kirk
Aye Aye Cap’n. =)
March 30th, 2007 at 2:50 pmi take it you failed reading comprehension in second grade, eh?
Do you keep repeating me because you are incapable of coming up with anything on your own or because you’re so used to being a parrot?
if you go back to what i wrote you will be shocked to find out that I believe in both relativism and aboslutism.
In Absolutism, ‘Independent’ isn’t possible.
you are the one that is using absolutes to declare that there is not such thing as absolutes…
If you cannot quote me adequately, it’s a sign that you have to lie to try to win.
Absolutism is so exceedingly rare in the human realm as to not count for much. I’ll prove it. Demonstrate provable absolutes that apply to humans… You can’t. Not valid ones.
you cant’ say, “there aren’t absolutes…†why? can you comprehend why? does your brain matter allow you to think this deep? why? c’mon, think about it………………………………………………ok, didn’t think you could figure it out….
I didn’t say that. Show where I said ‘never’. You cannot.
because the statement, “there aren’t absolutes…†is an absolute! get it? of course not.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
I get it… The problem is that pretending I don’t is all you have left… Sad.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:52 pmoff to lunch, but i’ll be back
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
You’ll still be stupid… and boring…
I’m off to go find someone with at least a triple digit IQ to have a conversation…
March 30th, 2007 at 2:54 pmIf Democrats honestly believe that this war is horrific, why don’t they just defund it and stop it in its track? because it is all about politics, they have good intentions, but their politics is more important to them.
Well, there is also the problem of the pottery barn rule and the vacuum that would be created if we pulled out instead of redeploy to border areas. Enjoy your lunch Cap’n.
And I think we need to delineate some words here. Most Democrats (those not in office) do find this war horrific. As the Polls show many Republicans (those not in office) think the same thing. =)
March 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pmoff to lunch, but i’ll be back
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
You’ll still be stupid… and boring…
I’m off to go find someone with at least a triple digit IQ to have a conversation…
March 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pmunbelievable ,
so, there are no absolutes, right? according to what you are saying, there are no absolutes…
so do tell, how do you dare tell someone they are wrong….
i mean if there are no absolutes how can you say that the right wingers are wrong and thatyou are right because in order to believe this, you have to believe in an absolute, that you are right and right wingers are wrong.
try to keep up, ok?
March 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pmif there are no absolutes how the hell can we fight a regime like the Nazi Germany regime and tell them they must be destroyed because they are evil and wrong?
you make less and less sense the more you post unbelieve.
March 30th, 2007 at 3:06 pmzep tepi…
I agree, most Democrats in office believe this war is horrific and most Republicans not in office (according to the polls) also think so.
I think that the true prolbem in Iraq is that we went in there with too few troops. If we would have gone with 500,000 troops and kept them there until all was well, i think things would be very different today.
Rumsfeld for too long had wanted, he pushed this under Reagan, a stronger, faster, SMALLER armed forces and he thought he could do this in Iraq.
we should have followed the Powell doctrine, go with incredible numbers and fire power and overwhelm the enemy.
March 30th, 2007 at 3:11 pmCaptain Kirk said:
Well, they gave us: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defeating Hitler, the Marshall plan and the postwar reconstruction of Europe, the general social policy that led to the explosion of hte middle class, the GI bill, and an assist on the intersate highway (since they had to fund it). They also helped give us Vietnam.
And the Republican congress of the past ten years has given us…um…um…tax cuts, cuts to student aid, a bloated drug benefit package, war in Iraq, deficits that put all other deficits to [at least partial] shame, and um…what else?
March 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pm“l say, “Well, that’s not what we’re trying to do. We want competence. We are conservatives, and we have high values, and high standards.‗-bah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!
March 30th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOh yeah, I forgot, they also gave us an utter lack of oversight, allowing the President to forward his radical philosophy of presidential power and the ability to staff incompetents at nearly every level of government based solely on their loyalty to the President.
March 30th, 2007 at 4:11 pmso, there are no absolutes, right? according to what you are saying, there are no absolutes…
Name them then…
so do tell, how do you dare tell someone they are wrong….
Wrong is subjective. Hello… ?
i mean if there are no absolutes how can you say that the right wingers are wrong and thatyou are right because in order to believe this, you have to believe in an absolute, that you are right and right wingers are wrong.
Nope. Wrong again.
Here’s proof that your are wrong (see I can validate my claims). Say you think abortion is wrong, and I do not. Keeping in mind that I reject all organized religion and accept a Science-based reality, how do we determine ‘absolutely’ which of us is right?
I’ll give you the answer, because I know you can’t come up with it on your own: There is no absolute answer. The universe is indifferent and does not side with either one us, making us both right and both wrong at the same time. Therefore, no absolute.
Again, as I have already explained – there are some absolutes, they just are beyond our ability to know them, therefore they really don’t count in our realm or for us to rely on them.
try to keep up, ok?
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Just because I’ve lapped you repeated times, and am closing in again, it doesn’t mean I’m behind you… LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pmif there are no absolutes how the hell can we fight a regime like the Nazi Germany regime and tell them they must be destroyed because they are evil and wrong?
The lack of absolutes doesn’t stop people from acting on their opinions. You are aware of the Inquisition, the Crusades, witch trials and other violent things done in the name of the Christian god, right?
Cannibalism is right in some cultures, and wrong in others. Consensual sex and drinking age is 16 in some countries and 18/21 in others. Catholics are right in some churches while Southern Baptists are right in others. There is no way to determine who is right and who is wrong because there is no scale for such absolutes beyond personal opinion. Prove otherwise. So far, you’re batting a big fat ZERO.
you make less and less sense the more you post unbelieve.
Comment by Captain Kirk — March 30, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Only because you are too stupid to comprehend.
If you make another post of reference directed at me in any capacity, it means that you are admitting that I am right and you are not only wrong, but a raging neo-Conservative…
Have fun with that. LOL
March 30th, 2007 at 4:31 pmP.S. There are no stupid Atheists. It’s an oxymoron to suggest there are since the way to become, one after religious indocrination, is by favoring intelligent thought over all else.
March 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWhy are we giving Douche Limbaugh this much attention?
March 30th, 2007 at 5:15 pmRush LIMBURGER, YOU ARE THE BLITHERING IDIOT, NOT THE 72% TRUE AMERICANS IN THAT POLL!!!!! Rush, YOU BOMBASTIC IMBECILE, WHY DON’T YOU DO YOUR FAMOUS ST. VITUS’ DANCE OF JIGGLING YOUR UGLY FAT CARCASE IN YOUR “SALOME’S SALAMI DANCE OF THE SEVEN WHALES” IN WHICH YOU CONTORT YOUR WHALE BLUBBER WHILE SEVEN STOUT MEN WITH HARPOONS TRY TO SPEAR YOUR FAT ANUS WHILE YOU PRANCE AROUND NAKED WITH A TEENSY-TINY HARD-ON POKING OUT OF YOUR SEVEN-VEILED TUTU—-OH, THAT’S RIGHT—-I FORGOT YA WERE IMPOTENT FROM OXYCONTIN ABUSE, YA DRUG-FIEND EUNUCH!!!! YA COULDN’T GET A HARD-ON TO SAVE YA LIFE, YA GONZO-LOVING repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm DUNG-dit CREEP!!!!!
March 30th, 2007 at 7:32 pmFor the record, at one point in time, MORE than 72% of Americans supported this President — weren’t they “blithering idiots†then according to you guys?
Ya know, Jake – even back in late 2000 I was putting Bush supporters in three distinct groups: the fooled, the stupid, and the complicit. To which group do you belong?
March 30th, 2007 at 9:07 pmDon’t know if the soi desant ‘Captain Kirk’ thinks he/she/it is being trendy or what with that blog name, but he/she/it is certainly not showing any signs of being aware of what has happened in the past two decades.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:14 pmPoliticians from both parties have been corrupt; but not until the elections of 1994 has a party institutionalized corruption on a national scale (well, at least not since the Republicans did it back in the 1870/80’s). That is the difference.
Besides, politics isn’t, nor should it be, only about what’s in it for me (see the present Republican Party for what happens when that is your attitude).
D. E. Stamate
USN (ret)
For the record, at one point in time, MORE than 72% of Americans supported this President — weren’t they “blithering idiots†then according to you guys?
1. People like Rush and O’Reilly call anyone who disagrees with them idiots. Normal, sane human beings do not.
2. This would also be the time frame that the 72% was being told that Hussein was trying to build nukes, and that Iraq caused 9/11.
Jake, they pay you too much. For the kind of money you’re getting you should be putting out better stuff.
March 31st, 2007 at 12:06 amStill Big
Say what you will against Rush, but it’s undeniably true that he’s still big, it’s the pictures that got small.
March 31st, 2007 at 1:02 am“Jake” is a liar. There were three (3) US Attorneys fired from 1981 to 2005. What happened in Dec. 2005 is unprecedented. The CRS (Congressional Research Service, a non-partisan arm of the US Congress) report proves this. Bush fired Carol Lam because she was getting to close to California GOP Reps. Lewis, Pombo, and Doolittle. It’s not “politics,” it’s the very definition of the crime of Obstruction of Justice. I personally had read enough to know she was after these GOP reps, so there is no way Bush did not know. It is a CRIME.
March 31st, 2007 at 2:53 amMore Rush: “USA Today’s got a poll: ‘Do you think something’s wrong about the firing of eight US attorneys?’ 72% said yes. 72% of the American people, a bunch of blithering idiots who have no idea what they’re talking about, but yet they voted, so these polls matter.â€
It is not likely that the MAJORITY is stupid, it is far more likely that the MINORITY is stupid.
March 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm239.I’ll give you the answer, because I know you can’t come up with it on your own: There is no absolute answer. The universe is indifferent and does not side with either one us, making us both right and both wrong at the same time. Therefore, no absolute.
Again, as I have already explained – there are some absolutes, they just are beyond our ability to know them, therefore they really don’t count in our realm or for us to rely on them.
Absolutely…False! There is truth, and there are lies. I think you believe that since you can’t figure out right from wrong, there is no way to be sure for anyone, right?
The universe is not indifferent! And you said “making us both right and wrong at the same time”: complete confusion!…heralds back to my previous statement about right and wrong.
March 31st, 2007 at 5:54 pm240.”There is no way to determine who is right and who is wrong because there is no scale for such absolutes beyond personal opinion. Prove otherwise.”
Your absolutely wrong. Prove it? : Is killing someone right or wrong?…I hope you can’t choose because there are no absolutes for you!
March 31st, 2007 at 5:57 pm