ThinkFast: March 30, 2007
ThinkFast: March 30, 2007
The Bush administration responded with shock to King Abdullah’s declaration that the U.S. is “illegitimately” occupying Iraq. “We were a little surprised to see those remarks,” said Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns. White House spokesman Dana Perino claimed, “It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.”
President Bill Clinton said blogs can help promote a more even discussion of politics. Clinton added, “They can do research and get the facts and don’t have to bad-mouth people. …I think all these blog sites are creating a whole new opportunity for public debate that may revitalize our politics in an old fashioned way.”
The Interior Department inspector general reports that a senior Bush political appointee, Julie MacDonald, repeatedly altered scientific field reports “to minimize protections for imperiled species, and disclosed confidential information to private groups seeking to affect policy decisions.”
Kyle Sampson revealed yesterday that former New Mexico U.S. Attorney David Iglesias was not added to the dismissal list until just before the 2006 midterm elections, after Sampson “heard complaints from Karl Rove” that Iglesias had not been aggressive enough in pursuing cases of voter fraud. “Previously, Rove had not been tied so directly to the removal of the prosecutors.”
Defense Secretary Robert Gates — who pushed for Guantanamo’s closure — is continuing to press “others in the Bush administration to move war crimes trials of suspected terrorists from the Gitmo detention center to courts inside the U.S. because the military tribunals may appear tainted in the eye of the international community.”
Peter Wehner, the White House Director of Strategic Initiatives, will be the latest loyal Bushie to depart. “I’ve been here six years, and there was just the sense that it was time to go. We’ve been through a lot,” Wehner said. “Other officials have left the legislative affairs, domestic policy, homeland security, staff secretary, public liaison, speechwriting and first lady’s offices.”
In a letter addressed to Karl Rove, the House Government and Oversight Committee demanded to know who prepared the presentation delivered to GSA employees and whether Rove or his aide Scott Jennings “consulted with anyone about whether it might be in violation of the Hatch Act. “Waxman also asked whether Rove or any members of his staff have given the same or similar PowerPoint presentations to political appointees at other government agencies.”
Bush, “who has alienated many Republicans on Capitol Hill, invited the entire House GOP caucus to the White House for the first time in his presidency.” At one point in the meeting, Boehner turned to his colleagues to ask if they would stay with Bush, and they gave him a standing ovation.
And finally: President George H.W. Bush is a Blackberry addict. Yesterday he told an audience that when he and Barabara “attend Houston Astros games and sit behind home plate, he e-mails to friends from around the country who see him on TV. ‘I e-mail back and tell them, “Okay, I’m going to wave to you after the next strike.” And so it’s a fun thing and I wave,’ he said.”
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“It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
(Blinks three times…) WHAT?
March 30th, 2007 at 9:13 amOK
March 30th, 2007 at 9:20 amOn your mark
Get set…
OIL SHORTAGE
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2415#comments
I think Bill Clinton should come on this blog and defend HIS replacement of U.S. Attorneys for “political reasons” (or at least Mr. Podesta should) and maybe Robert Gates needs to be replaced already too (or doesn’t Bush have that power either?).
March 30th, 2007 at 9:21 am#1 “It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
(Blinks three times…) WHAT?
Comment by Punchy — March 30, 2007 @ 9:13 am
No, the 180k troops, the 200k+ mercenaries and a couple carrier groups (2? 3?) were wandering around and, suddenly, they were in Iraq at the same time. Just a concidence.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:25 am#3 What are you talking about?
March 30th, 2007 at 9:26 amComment by Jake — March 30, 2007 @ 9:21 am
You didn’t get the word, Jake? You’re on their Ignore List!
March 30th, 2007 at 9:26 am#2, time to start drilling in ANWR
March 30th, 2007 at 9:28 amDont you just love it when the House of Saud tells the House of Bush to shove it where the sun doesn’t shine? I’ll bet 41 is livid that 43 has done so much to piss off the Saudi’s and their precious oil that the King is making comments like this. This seems to prove once that no matter what he touches (other than cheerleading at Andover) the man-child living in the White House screws it up, and fails. I wonder how quickly and when Poppy will step in to save the family relationship with the Saudi’s?
March 30th, 2007 at 9:29 amWow. Dana Perino is delusional.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:29 am# 9. Yes, and she also has a great ass. Unfortunately married, but there are ways around that.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:31 amgreetings from chicago… on my daughter’s laptop, at the hotel… waiting for her interview to end before i pick her up… then a day of play…
and we got tickets to see BODY WORLDS 2 at the museum of science and industry… should be great… she loves anatomy… her favorites subject in all of her med studies… hope i can handle it! …
anyway – my first thought upon hearing the news of “king abdullah’s declaration” was that is was hooey… staged… set up… something tells me the white house planned this to get some of the heat off their cozy relationship…
can’t help being cynical with these criminals… know what i mean?
happy friday,all!
March 30th, 2007 at 9:32 amBush Regime is certified stupid, because they are occupying Iraq illegally!
March 30th, 2007 at 9:33 amJake sez:
That’s a stretch.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:36 am“It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
I think the best judge of that would be the Iraqi people. And I have a hunch that they’re feeling pretty damned occupied right now. It’s not as if the overwhelming majority of them don’t want the U.S. to leave. And it’s not as if they can make them leave. Sorry, Dana. That’s an occupation.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:37 amAnyone not on my Ignore List want me to explain how Clinton’s replacement of U.S. Attorneys was wholly different than Bush’s politically motivated firings?
March 30th, 2007 at 9:39 amPeter Wehner, the White House Director of Strategic Initiatives, will be the latest loyal Bushie to depart. “I’ve been here six years, and there was just the sense that it was time to go.
Might have been the slowly rising water, as well as the mad scrambling and squeaking of all the other Bushies, that finally tipped him off. ^_^
March 30th, 2007 at 9:44 amPoor Jake, he has to keep reading his talking points even though none of the people concerned –past Attorney Generals, US Attorneys, etc– agree with him. You can’t make it stick, Jake, so stop trying. Those 8 US Attorneys were wrongfully dismissed and Gonzales wouldn’t have lied if it wasn’t so.
Castro seems to be recovering; he made a robust speech about how America’s thirst for biofuels will cause mass starvation and drought in the Developing World. Biofuels are already causing chaos in Mexico’s food markets. And maybe Saudi Arabia will turn off the taps again. Now, why did Republicans make fun of Carter for wearing a sweater or for installing solar panels on the White House roof? It seemed pretty sensible of Carter. And who did kill the electric car? And why do Americans buy gas-guzzlers when little econo-cars would do?
Let’s face it. The real reason Republicans foam at the mouth when Gore talks about Global Warming is because it can only be fought by a Planned Economy. Gosh! An end to Reaganomics, neo-conservativism, and social Darwinism; a return to Keynesianism, New Deal liberalism, and JK Galbraith. If the GOP wants to survive 2008, they’ll have to find the trust-busting, park loving equivalent of Teddy Roosevelt. Good luck.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:45 am#3 So is someone going to ask George H. W. Bush to explain why he replaced 88 US Attorneys at the beginning of his term? Get a clue, man.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:45 amJulie MacDonald, repeatedly altered scientific field reports
Because politicians know more about nature than scientist Bush repeatedly has his people doctor reports. Make you wonder how many reports wre changed to start drilling in Alaska. And how many circumstances of fraudulant reporting are necessary before the administration is sanctioned for it.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:48 amThe laws were made to protect these areas/species. So if the administration circumvents the law by issuing false documentation isn’t that serious?
Does anybody not on Jake’s ignore list want to tell him to shut up?
March 30th, 2007 at 9:50 amI was a logic major when I attended college back in the 1950s, lol, because I am 75 years old and a veteran of the Spanish-American War.
I wanted to share my logical insight of the day.
If you condemn the people who attacked America on 9/11, then you must hate Al Qaeda. If you hate Al Qaeda, then you must hate the rich Saudi Wahabbists who financed Al Qaeda. If you hate the rich Saudi Wahabbists who financed Al Qaeda, then you must hate their best friends and enablers. If you hate their best friends and enablers, you must hate George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, because they are among those. If you hate George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, you hate America.
Therefore, if you condemn the people who attacked America on 9/11, you hate America.
Finally, IF LAURA BUSH WAS A $2 PROSTITUTE, AND THE SAUDS DIDN’T HAVE ANY DOLLARS BECAUSE, LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY, THEY WERE QUIETLY DIVESTING THEMSELVES OF U.S. DENOMINATED ASSETS DUE TO THE ENORMOUS DEBT RUN UP BY GEORGE BUSH’S INSANE TAX CUTS, WOULDN’T LAURA BUSH ACCEPT EUROS OR CHINESE YUAN? ANSWER ME, LIBERALS. WOULDN’T SHE????
March 30th, 2007 at 9:51 amChimpeach at #14
Well said. Defenders of this war/occupation should ask themselves how they would feel if they were to see foreign soldiers dressed in battle fatigues and a helmet and, most importantly, an assault rifle openly exposed in their hands, roaming the streets of the United States. For neoconservatives and diehard advocates of the Bush administration, the rule of American exceptionalism is always prevalent in their minds.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:52 amI’m surprised that chickengeorge bush actually appointed a competent, honest SecDef. Or anyone competent and honest. That’s a first for him and probably last also.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:52 am…that Iglesias had not been aggressive enough in pursuing cases of voter fraud.
Please, make that alleged voter fraud.
Which translates to cases in which the poor and minorities were actually allowed to vote without impediment.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:53 am#22 Erroll
I think one of the prerequisites for being one of those “defenders of this war/occupation” is the inability to put oneself in someone else’s shoes.
Either that or the refusal to give a rat’s ass about anybody else’s shoes.
March 30th, 2007 at 9:57 amKiki:
Carter replaced a U.S. Attorney in 1978 for political reasons — the TARGET of that investigation was a DEMOCRATIC Representative who asked Carter to do so — Clinton replaced a U.S. Attorney in 1996 for political reasons. Hardly the “beginning” of their terms.
Don’t believe me though — look for yourself:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,916110,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,919302,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,919591-3,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945941,00.html
A recent interview of Carter on KNX 1070 newsradio had him saying he did not recall the specifics of the Marston replacement.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amApparently the Saudis are switching to the Euro Dollar. So, we are headed to what can only be described as a biblical apocalypse. According to Matt Simmons we will see material oil shortages in the US this summer. Coupled with demand destruction and the falling dollar our economy will implode.
If not then it is only a matter of time now. Odds are that after we attack Iran we will see a full scale draft since 26% of the US is now poor. As energy costs rise so will unemployment levels and Bush will have a well motivated military then made up of all the disenfranchised.
Back at home we will see the struggle for power take shape as the Dems attempt to move to a Euro based system. Bush has the military though and controls the Joint Chiefs so unless congress gets its own army or attempts a coup Bush appears to have 2 years. By then there will be no way out of any issue.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amWhite House spokesman Dana Perino claimed, “It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
Leave it to a Bushie to lie about what we are doing in Iraq.
Sheesh.
Sad when we are no longer supprised by what these sick people say. Sad when we expect them to lie over and over again.
Does anybody not on Jake’s ignore list want to tell him to shut up?
Comment by shane
Pretty sure all the regular posters are on the moron’s list.
Not that he ever posts anything even closely related to a fact.
He is also too much a coward to truely debate or even prove his assertions with something other than a link to Drudge or BalloonJuice, etc.
Notice he keeps posting about the already debunked Clinton firings, over and over again.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:05 amLMAO!!!
I think one of the prerequisites for being one of those “defenders of this war/occupation†is the inability to put oneself in someone else’s shoes.
Comment by chimpeach
Chimpeach and Erroll: I think you probably are hitting the central issue of this whole madness. And it is as simple as you mention. After the tight (yeah, I am being kind) results of 2000 and 2004 elections in the US, imagine China and Russia saying: Wow, that was really a fraud. US people cant live like that, obviously. We have to help them to overcome the non-democractic menace.
Sounds stupid, right? Well. It worked for the trolls.
I was reading that Kennedy asked Mexico to support US against the terrible threat to humankind that Cuba represented in the 60´s. Then a Mexican official told him: If I say that Cuba is a threat to Mexico, 40 million of Mexicans will laugh to death.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:09 amOne of the many things that amazes me after watching Sampson’s testimony is that he expected people to believe that he knew nothing about the high-profile corruption investigations being conducted by those same U.S. Attorneys that he was trying to badmouth as poor performers. Here’s the chief of staff of the Attorney General of the United States and he doesn’t know that the prosecutor in San Diego that he’s trying to shitcan has launched an investigation of the #3 guy at the CIA? The Cunningham case, the contractors involved in it, the poker parties and hookers at the Watergate complex, the resignation of the head of the CIA, the other California congressmen having connections with the contractors–none of this impressed Mr. Sampson as parts of important investigation? Is it possible in his position that he actually didn’t know that this was going on? What could have been more important that would have occupied his time?
Oh, that’s right, the #1 priority for all Bush appointees is to protect Bush by helping Republicans get elected and trying to undermine Democrats whenever and wherever possible. That other junk like justice and serving the citizens of this great country and all that is way down the list.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:15 am“It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
My dictionary has as one of the definitions for the word “occupation”:
7. the term of control of a territory by foreign military forces: Danish resistance during the German occupation.
It’s eerily reminiscent of the mind-blowing statement a Bush aide once made to author Ron Suskind:
Journalist Ron Suskind relates a chilling conversation he had in 2002 with a senior aide to George W. Bush, who taunted Suskind for being a person from “what we call the reality-based community.â€
The Bush aide said this “reality-based community†consists of people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.†Suskind nodded in agreement and muttered something favorable about the principles of the Enlightenment, only to be cut off by the aide.
“That’s not the way the world really works anymore,†the Bush aide told the journalist. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to study what we do.â€
These people are not only immoral and corrupt — their most assuredly insane.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amWith friends like the King … .
Visit: http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org
March 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amkrazeeinjun:
So you are saying the FREELY elected government of Iraq is America’s puppet?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:23 amBesides, as Robert Fisk says:
But America is not at war. There are no electricity cuts on Valdosta’s warm green campus, with its Spanish style department blocks and its narrow, beautiful church. There is no food rationing. There are no air-raid shelters or bombs or “jihadists†stalking these God-fearing folk. It is the US military that is at war, engaged in an Iraqi conflict that is doing damage of a far more subtle kind to America’s social fabric.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:24 amChimpeach and Juan C
The topic that we have been discussing is so symptomatic of the fact that for so many Americans, the word empathy is non-existent in their vocabuary. People like Chalmers Johnson, especially in his new book Nemesis, and Howard Zinn, have done an outstanding job in writing about the subject which so plagues the world today and that is American militarism. An excellent book on this vital topic is one that I am currently reading entitled The Hollywood War Machine: U.S. Militarism and Popular Culture by Carl Boggs and Tom Pollard.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:29 amJake, have you noticed that nobody has responded to the facts you posted? The posters on here don’t like facts, they tend to distort the generally-accepted worldview of most of the TP posters.
And now, cue the “oh, we’re not going to bother responding to Jake” chorus.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:29 amDale,
Yeah that will solve our oil problems. Do you even believe your own sh*t? I mean how can you offer that with a straight face?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amDale,
We’ve addressed them time and again already, but most of us are on Shakey’s ‘ignore list’. Kinda hard to hold a discussion when one party is busy plugging his ears and yelling “LA LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU!” over and over, isn’t it?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:35 amJake,
Give it a rest already for f*ck sake, Christ you are rediculous.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:36 amDale,
Jakes “facts” have been responded to and debunked many times, move on. Thats a fact.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:38 am#35 Actually, Dale, many posters here have responded to Jake with facts. Every day for weeks now. We have largely given up, because Jake ignores the facts and keeps repeating the same debunked talking points. These talking points are so lame and out of date that even Bush administration officials have abandoned them. But not Jake. Because if he can fool just one ignorant person, he has helped his team.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:39 amAnd by the way, Dale, most people here are big on facts. A steady stream of facts is supplied here every day. Is there a problem with your reading comprehension?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:40 amI couldn’t help but to make the King and Abdullah a little closer:
http://www.joesepi.com/deletemelater/abdbush3-kiss.jpg
This little ‘occupying Iraq’ quote is just a lover’s quarrel.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:42 amSee Jake? They can’t handle facts… they have nothing to say regarding the info you provided. Quit trying to give these people facts… it scares them.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:43 amInteresting articles. However, pointing out the wrongdoings of past administrations does not negate the current situation.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amI am wishing you all a happy Friday, even though it is just another freaky friday in bull shit bush bizarro world….We can still dream and hope all this terrible madness will soon end and the evil doers in the black house will be impeached, jailed for war crimes and looting our treasury….
My number one thought alway’s remains with get out of Iraq now and bring the troop’s home this minute..I didn’t want this war to begin with..We are long past having someone give bull shit a BJ to stop this, he need’s to be put in a streight jacket and locked up forever along with cheney, rice, rummy and all involved…..
Never mind this little black hearted troll jake that continues to try and side track our thread’s, he/she along with patty cake 1, R2, michael, MA and other’s are just a waste of space and time, let them play with them selves or each other and they will drift away…Maybe then we can get some decent troll’s with something worth while to add to the discussions..Right now all these troll’s are is tiresome and a tiny nusance.
I am sending out special Blessings today for one of my favorite posters, RUCerious….Lit a beautiful healing candle and a pretty yellow candle for sunshine along with special healing thought’s….May I suggest we all keep good healing, loving thought’s for him and all that may need them today, they add so much to our lives and I appreciate their presence….Make a diffrence, send good thought’s, prey if that’s what you do and don’t stop untill we hear great new’s….Send a virtual hug, tell some one you love them, please do something for our country and the world…Blessings all….Special Thank’s to Lady Z.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:48 am#39 and #40… so have the facts that Jake raised in #26 been debunked?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:49 amSee Jake? They can’t handle facts…
Comment by Dale
ha ha ha. I bet you were just dying to make that awful Jack Nicholson´s impression. What a big yawn.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:52 amDale sez:
No one’s saying the facts are untrue, Dale. What we are saying is that there is a fundamental difference between the questionable dismissals of U.S. attorneys in the Chimpy administration and the questionable dismissals of U.S. attorneys in the administrations that have gone before.
Regarding the facts Jake raised in #26, did the administrations in question attempt to sidestep Senate confirmation in filling the vacancies?
March 30th, 2007 at 10:54 am#34 Erroll
The topic that we have been discussing is so symptomatic of the fact that for so many Americans, the word empathy is non-existent in their vocabuary.
Empathy is something that needs to be learned in the home and early in life. A lack of empathy is what ties George W. Bush to the gangbangers who will gun down a total stranger on the street. Bush has a long history of not caring how the things he does effect anyone else. His supporters don’t have a problem turning off any concern for the lives of others, and the only time they do claim to be concerned is when it can help them politically. They justified invading Iraq by saying “Saddam gassed his own people”. But, they didn’t seem to care too much when we gave Saddam the chemical weapons and logistical support to kill Iranians.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:57 amThe Bush administration responded with shock to King Abdullah’s declaration that the U.S. is “illegitimately†occupying Iraq. “We were a little surprised to see those remarks,†said Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns. White House spokesman Dana Perino claimed, “It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
“Are too!”
“Are not!!”
“Are too!!”
“Nu-uh!”
Give me a break.
March 30th, 2007 at 10:58 amWell at least the two parties got to understand each others view about the issue.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
March 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amCarter replaced a U.S. Attorney in 1978 for political reasons
Comment by Jake
From the first article Jake linked to:
The key question, Bell reminded the committee, was whether he or Carter knew that Eilberg was under investigation when they fired Marston. Said Bell: “I did not know it, and I’m satisfied the President did not know it. In fact, there was not an investigation on Nov. 5 when Eilberg called the President.” The Attorney General maintained that the earliest date on which either he or Civiletti could have known of the Eilberg investigation was Dec. 19, when the Justice Department received testimony from an informant implicating Eilberg in the hospital scandal.
39 and #40… so have the facts that Jake raised in #26 been debunked?
Comment by Dale
The article states that President Carter did not know the situation before the firing. In the f-ing article. If you can prove that that was not the case then bring it up again. The ball is in your court.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:00 am#47
Time and time and time and time again. Where have you been?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:02 amThe link to the media on the GAO “peak oil” report at The Oil Drum is actually:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2415
May you live in interesting times…
March 30th, 2007 at 11:04 am#44 Dale
See Jake? They can’t handle facts… they have nothing to say regarding the info you provided. Quit trying to give these people facts… it scares them.
Oh yeah, that frightens me to death. Carter dumps one U.S. Attorney for arguably political reasons and that’s supposed to equal the 8 that Gonzales dumped and lied about. You guys can go live in the Carter years if you want. But, there’s just too much going on now that needs to be addressed. And there’s no comparison between the two. This is the most corrupt and scandal-ridden administration the U.S. has ever seen and it only gets worse every day. You and Jake can just go skip merrily, hand-in-hand down Memory Lane. We’re going to stick to the topic at hand.
And you can’t address the topic at hand because you’re afraid of the facts! Brace yourself, Dale. It’s only going to get worse.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:04 amTripMaster Monkey,
How can you make a cogent argument yet again to these retards?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amI mean where do you find the stamina to argue with these pitiful people? Dubya has abandoned these baseless claims and moved on to what I’m sure will be another brilliant claim of legitimacy, why continue to throw pearls to swine?
Jake, you really are a joke. Of course the “freely” elected government of Iraq is a puppet. Come on, don’t you listen to your own beloved leader? The US picked the prime minister, the US openly says that if he can’t deliver he’ll have to go, the prime minister has to flip-flop if the US doesn’t like something he’s said. It’s a joke, Jake. Imagine if France’s Chirac said Bush would have to go, you’d laugh. But the US says that to Iraq’s government all the time and it’s considered a real threat.
This is an occupation. And the government of Iraq is about as legit as France’s Vichy government under the Nazi occupation. And, btw, Jake, did you know that after the liberation of France the Yanks tried to install a puppet government in France. Yes, they tried to prevent De Gaulle from becoming president of France. So much for Democracy and Freedom.
Oh, and David Marston was a Ford appointee. And Carter got a lot of heat for his dismissal, but he wasn’t a Carter appointee in the first place. He was allowed to remain a year because he was in the midst of several high profile cases when Carter took office. But his replacement was a foregone conclusion. Mind you, Carter’s AG Bell resigned mid-term, so Gonzales has an example to follow.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:09 amSend a virtual hug, tell some one you love them, please do something for our country and the world…Blessings all….Special Thank’s to Lady Z.
Comment by Sharon
Peace and Blessings to you, Great Lady. (((hugs)))
Special thoughts and prayers for RUCerious’ good health and recovery.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:16 amCaptured UK sailors ‘lament’ and ‘confess’
Well they admitted it now.
More proof that Bush and Blair are positioning their troops for an invasion of Iran. It’s a good thing that Iran grabbed these “Scout” troops before they could give away valuable information that would just make the next illegal Bush/Blair war quicker.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:16 am“When it comes to the coalition forces being in Iraq, we are there under the U.N. Security Council resolutions and at the invitation of the Iraqi people,” she [Dana Perino] said. ”
I must be afflicted from a case of Republican amnesia, but I cannot remember the Iraqi people inviting us… What about you guys?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:17 am#59, and you don’t think there’s the *slightest* chance that the sailors were tortured into confessing, do you?
Nice. Support the troops much?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:19 amTMM, etc… I haven’t followed the US attorney firings at all, which is why I’m not commenting on it. I only commented on the fact that everybody seemed to ignore Jake’s post (until I pointed that fact out).
March 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amWhite House spokesman Dana Perino claimed, “It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
If not occupiers, then really really bad house guests. Don’t expect another invitation soon.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:30 am‘Thinking’ hasn’t shown a strong presence among that demographic.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amLittle innocent Dale, just trying to help. I really don’t know any of the history either as an issue in America or as debated on this site, but my ignorance aside I really was just trying to help.
Here’s an idea, get a clue before posting your uinformed snide comments, in other words try operating a little less like a Republic666an
March 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amDale sez:
Un-frickin-believable.
You bitch and moan about how no one’s addressing Jake’s post, but you refuse to address our replies…exactly as Jake himself does.
Who’s ‘afraid of facts’ now?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:39 am#61 Dale
and you don’t think there’s the *slightest* chance that the sailors were tortured into confessing, do you?
1. If they were tortured, that would be a bad thing and I wouldn’t want it to happen. I can think of a million other ‘ifs’, but let’s just stick with reality.
2. I saw the one sailor on the news who confessed. I don’t doubt that the confession was coerced, but the guy didn’t look like he was under any stress at all. He didn’t even look tired.
3. If they WERE tortured, why should the U.S. object to that? Isn’t it the policy of our government to torture prisoners whenever it’s in the interests of our national defense? Doesn’t Iran have the right to torture whenever they think it’s in the interests of their national defense? The UK has gone along with that, too, so it should be expected. Torture, thanks to Alberto Gonzales and George W. Bush, is a way of life for people serving in the military nowadays. The troops should fully expect to be treated that way if captured, now that your favorite Republicans have broken the ice. In fact, the new talking point for tough-talking chickenhawks should be “Hey, they signed the contract. They should know they could be tortured.”
Remember to thank Dubya and Abu for the new way of life they’ve brought us.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:39 amTMM, etc… I haven’t followed the US attorney firings at all, which is why I’m not commenting on it. I only commented on the fact that everybody seemed to ignore Jake’s post (until I pointed that fact out).
Comment by Dale
The same posts he has been posting in almost every thread for the last week……
March 30th, 2007 at 11:44 amYeah we started to ignore the sheer idiocy of his repetition. He is one dense MF.
Defend him for his BS and we may ignore you as well
#62 Dale
TMM, etc… I haven’t followed the US attorney firings at all, which is why I’m not commenting on it.
Oh that’s right. The RNC didn’t assign you to that line. You’re on the “Foreign Policy” one. Jake’s more of a “DoJ/Government Affairs” talking points guy.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:44 am#61 Dale Nice. Support the troops much?
Tundra served, so he’s allowed to say whatever he wants about the troops and the armed services in general, isn’t that how it works?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:46 amand you don’t think there’s the *slightest* chance that the sailors were tortured into confessing, do you? — Dale
You mean like our troops torturing to get confessions?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:48 amSee the consequences? If they did, we have no legal recourse internationally because Bushco has already ruled the Geneva convention “quaint”, we cannot enforce an international law that we ourselves are violating.
Can you see the can of worms that Bushco has opened?
Dale:
Don’t worry about those guys — I have admitted many times that the law regarding Senate confirmation was indeed different this time around — nonetheless, the White House has already stated they will submit these U.S. Attorneys for confirmation anyways. Everything else was the same — at least we don’t have any indication that Rep. Lewis (R-CA) called Bush and asked to have Lam replaced ; )
BTW: the reason we can’t PROVE Carter’s replacement of Marston was for “political reasons” is because there was NO investigation — the Congress was in Democrats hands then — what I don’t like is the double-standard. Recently on a KNX 1070 news radio interview, Carter now says he does not recall the specifics of the Marston replacement — which is why I want to get Clinton (or at Podesta) on the record asap.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:52 amsquegeebooo,
Unfortunately no that’s not how it works. The Republic666ans recognize no legitimate right to an opinion as expressed by someone who’s “been there done that”.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:52 amJohn Kerry for example had no right to criticize the war that he fought in. See how that works, Republic666ans, for example Dubya, are so omnipotent that they can glean the only legitimate point of view about a particular topic by simply snorting coke and spectating.
#69, really paranoid about a RNC conspiracy, are we?
TMM, what part of “not followed the attorney firings” did not soak into your little brain? You want me to comment on it when I know nothing about it?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amJust read this off msnbc:
March 30th, 2007 at 11:54 amA suspected Saudi terrorist told a military hearing that he was tortured into confessing that he was involved in the bombing of the warship USS Cole, according to a Defense Department transcript released Friday.
Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, a Saudi national of Yemeni descent, said he made up stories that tied him to the Cole attack, which killed 17 U.S. sailors and nearly succeeded in sinking the $1 billion destroyer in Aden harbor, Yemen.
“From the time I was arrested five years ago, they have been torturing me. It happened during interviews. One time they tortured me one way, and another time they tortured me in a different way,” al-Nashiri said, according to the transcript. “I just said those things to make the people happy. They were very happy when I told them those things.”
Now Dale, tell us again how you feel about torture.
Jake says “I think”
That’s a stretch.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
First laugh of the morning here in Cali !:D
March 30th, 2007 at 11:54 am#71, ah, so it’s okay for Iran to torture because allegedly we tortured confessions first… right?
March 30th, 2007 at 11:54 am#72, it’s a shame, it seems like there’s some intelligent people on here, but many are so wrapped up in their hatred for Pres. Bush, or so vicious in their ad hominem attacks, that trying to rationally discuss anything with them is an exercise in frustration. Just once, I’d like to find *one* person on here who’s able to rationally discuss something without having to resort to slander.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amBack at ya, Lady Z and Thank you!…
The bright candles are still lit for you and all in need of them today and every day RUCerious….Blessings
March 30th, 2007 at 11:58 am#77 Dale ah, so it’s okay for Iran to torture because allegedly we tortured confessions first… right?
Actually yes, because the British aren’t protected by the Geneva convention because they weren’t at war with Iran at the time. Just like how we get to torture at Gitmo because the people there weren’t in uniform, or fighting under the flag of a nation. Loopholes, gotta love em. Besides, they don’t look abused in the pictures/videos, so at worst it’s just mental torture so far, and that doesn’t really count, just like water boarding.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amSimple. It’s wrong. It’s wrong when we do it, it’s wrong when somebody else does it. I’ve never said anything different.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amGeorge needs to give the illustrious Arab King a big kiss with lots of tongue and saliva. Eww.
March 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amDale,
Yet another third grade attempt at twisting logic with the torture issue. If you don’t understand the ramifications of the worlds only “superpower” sanctioning torture go take a nap on your time out rug and let the adults debate.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pm#72 Jake
Don’t worry about those guys — I have admitted many times that the law regarding Senate confirmation was indeed different this time around — nonetheless, the White House has already stated they will submit these U.S. Attorneys for confirmation anyways.
Look, Your Honor, I’ve already returned all the money I stole from the bank except the two or three hundred thousand I already spent. Okay, I admit it was the wrong thing to do. So, what’s the problem?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSo you are saying the FREELY elected government of Iraq is America’s puppet?
Comment by Jake
Uh, let me ponder that for a moment………YEAH!!!!!
March 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pm#77 – Dale,
Do you really think the US has any credibility in objecting to torture? Slippery slope….
It’s not ok — for anyone.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmNice. Support the troops much?
Comment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Actually Dale, that post was sort of my impression of “some” of the posters here. Certinally not all, I have noticed 4 “typical” groups.
1) Well it’s Bush’s fault for getting us involved in this in the first place (Stand around and blaming Bush is a common tactic. See this allows nothing to ever get done, but whatever happens the poster has already established who’s “Fault” it is)
2) Reflect the situation “What about the people of Darfur, see you don’t care about them”. (This makes you an insensitive person who has all the wrong priorities)
3) Bring up a “extreme” conspiracy. “The sailors were “scout” troops planning on invading. They could have been genetically engineered since birth for this spscific mission. The British have a time machine that allowed them to know it was going to happen man” (This allows anyone who disagrees with you to just not be “In the know” like you are, everyone who doesn’t believe you is a Kool-Aid drinker)
4) OK, Where are we, let’s correct the problem then assign blame and make people accountable after it’s over. (Very good to find. These conversations are always interesting, bring up new point of views and usually end with some sort of mutual respect)
As far as the British sailors, I think Britian needs to treat the situation like someone came in and took their soldiers from a U.N Mandated mission and is currently torturing them as we speak. Britian has troops/equipment to extract their soldiers. In my opinion failure to act is going to result in beheadings (Several people will not be blaming Iran but Bush when it happens). Currently they are using a diplomatic approach which I honestly hope works for the best.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmHey, Squeegy!
How the f*ck are ya?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“trying to rationally discuss anything with them is an exercise in frustration…”
“Rationally discuss” really that’s your intention, who would have known. I think your claim to wanting a rational discussion is just a little disingenuous.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pmZoo, darling, I’m doing just great, how are things going for you? Hows the college life?
Also, what happened to RU? I saw some well wishing higher up.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:07 pmDale sez:
Ok, first of all, that’s an obvious LIE, as your numerous comments in the March 23rd ThinkFast thread clearly show.
Second, my question doesn’t really require that you be ‘following’ the firings anyway, so your response would still be a cowardly dodge, even if it was the truth.
Let me know when that ’soaks into your little brain’. Kthx.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pmNice. Support the troops much?
Comment by Dale
Dale, I support troops when they are defending our country. They are not defending the U.S. They are aiding and abetting a bunch of immoral criminals in the White House. They are nothing more than a bunch of thugs doing their “bosses” dirty work.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pm#71, ah, so it’s okay for Iran to torture because allegedly we tortured confessions first… right?
Comment by Dale
Did I say that? No
Nice try on twisting my words, dimwit
Torture is wrong, no matter who does it.
But since we are using torture, we no longer have the moral high ground to call foul on someone else torturing our own.
As a Veteran this pisses me off as much as the horrid treatment of the wounded servicemen and women by the Bush (mis)Administration.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmJust once, I’d like to find *one* person on here who’s able to rationally discuss something without having to resort to slander.
Comment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
How did I slander you on the SS? discussion we had yesterday? You were doing this yesterday as well:
Can ANYBODY show some facts to back up their statements that poverty is getting worse?
Comment by Dale — March 29, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
And when I posted the article which gave you just what you requested, you didn’t acknowledge it. This tactic of yours is getting a little stale, Dale.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmOk, first of all, that’s an obvious LIE, as your numerous comments in the March 23rd ThinkFast thread clearly show.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Nice catch on Dale’s LIE, Trip
March 30th, 2007 at 12:17 pmZoo, darling, I’m doing just great, how are things going for you? Hows the college life?
Also, what happened to RU? I saw some well wishing higher up.
Comment by squegeebooo
Things are going great, and I’m having the time of my life at school. Sounds like life is treating you well.
RUC is having a spot on his lung removed for testing. I know he’ll be fine.
I hope we get to see more of you from now on! I’m heading for the bus — no, not the short one. :-D
March 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThis tactic of yours is getting a little stale, Dale.
Comment by Barfly
Notice it is the same tactic Jako uses……
March 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pmwe no longer have the moral high ground to call foul on someone else torturing our own.
Comment by Wayne — March 30, 2007 @ 12:14
It goes beyond that; when watching a show last week, I saw a reporter interview the ruler of Somalia. When the reporter asked about conditions in the country, and referenced an American report, the leader said, well, they lied about weapons of mass destruction, so you can’t believe anything these american propagandists say, and the reporter had nothing to come back with, just because Bush squandered our credibility by putting forth a fake case.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmFrom the Clinton/Blog article…
Sir, that is because your son is a blithering idiot.
The rose-colored glasses he has for his son are amazing. How many parents do you think would stand by their son as he causes as much damage, pain, suffering, and grief as W has?
March 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmRUC is having a spot on his lung removed for testing. I know he’ll be fine.
Hope all is well RU, and keep a positive attitude.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmWayne sez:
Thanks, Wayne. Nice catch yourself regarding the intellectually and morally dishonest debate tactics employed by both Dale and Jake.
Interesting, how we haven’t heard a peep from him since I called him on his blatant lie…but I can’t take full credit…he was under heat from many angles on this thread. ^_^
March 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pm#52 Marston was a mid term appointment by Ford so when his 4 year term was up in the middle of Carters term. You see he was allowed to finishh out his four year term before he was replaced. Hmm, sounds like he was fired to cover for democrat crimes.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmBlessings to RU. Hope things turn out well.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmRUC is having a spot on his lung removed for testing. I know he’ll be fine.
Comment by Zooey
Wow, I didn’t know about that
Hope things turn out ok.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmZoo
Ouch, sorry to here about RU, hope it ends up being benign, and you don’t need to lie to me about the bus, either way, I’ll still accept you.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmDale is deeply troubled by the lack of “rational discussion” around here. He thinks it’s just horrible that we are ignoring Jakes “facts.” OK, Dale. Here are some facts you and Jake seem to be ignoring:
1. Reagan replaced almost all of his federal prosecutors.
2. George HW Bush replaced almost all of his prosecutors.
3. Bill Clinton replaced almost all of his prosecutors.
4 All three, and most other American presidents replaced the prosecutors at the beginnings of their terms — it’s standard operating procedure for a new administration.
5. Less than 10 federal prosecutors have been removed from office DURING their terms over the last 30 years before the current Bush.
Now, Dale, Jake has already ignored THESE facts many, many times. Jake is pretty much beyond help. He’s a hopeless cultist who doesn’t recognize facts which don’t show his cult leader in a favorable light. I’m hoping that you are still in a place where logical argument can reach you.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pm#39 and #40… so have the facts that Jake raised in #26 been debunked?
Comment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Many times over, and by many of the posters here at ThinkProgress.
Also, there have been several threads dedicated exclusively to debunking the very same talking point your pal Jake won’t stop repeating. Here are a few:
Former Clinton Chief Of Staff Rebuts Rove Claim That Clinton Purged Prosecutors Too
Bush Falsely Claims His Prosecutor Purge Is ‘A Customary Practice By Presidents’
Gonzales Chief Of Staff Rebuts Rove Claim That Clinton Purged Prosecutors Too
(Notice how Gonzales’ own Chief of Staff debunked the claim.)
There is also the fact that, were these firings customary, there would be no need to mislead, make “inaccurate” statements, claim amnesia, deny involvement, and take the Fifth.
This whole affair stinks worst than sewage. But these facts are of little consequence for water-carriers like you and Jake.
March 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWelcome back squegeeboo, where ya been.?…Gotta go will catch up later…Blessings
March 30th, 2007 at 1:04 pmSo some people defend here that the british sailors are lying because they’ve been tortured. Hmmmm… they were capture when? a week ago?
So, if people can be tortured and confess a lie (?) in a single week, how many lies must have been saying the detainees in Guantánamo (the real terrorists and the wrongly imprisoned)? What type of intelligence has been obtained? What amount of lies?
So what is the purpose of Guantánamo, again?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pmOh, and Sharon and RUC, I wish you both a quick recovery and a healthy future as posters here. Please, take care.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmOver an hour since I called Dale on his LIE…
…and still not a peep from him.
Tell us, Dale…who ‘can’t handle facts’? Hmmm?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmEvil Spainard sez:
Ditto. Best wishes to you both.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmFurthermore, there is so much outrage in England about this, but I havent heard Blair threatening US for Brits in Gitmo. mmmmm…I wonder why.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pmOh, and Jake,
Before you tell me the links I provided do not address Jake’s claim on the Carter administration specifically, here is a couple of threads that do:
Past U.S. attorneys outraged by prosecutor purge.
Congressional Report: Clinton Didn’t Do It Too
I have the feeling that my wait for you to acknowledge these facts will be a veeery long one.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pm#87, Tundra, okay I see you’re trying to say. Hopefully I’ll fall into the fourth category; I look forward to many interesting discussions.
BTW, I agree wholeheartedly with your ideas of what Great Britain should do.
#94, I haven’t looked, but yeah, I don’t remember you slandering me yesterday… you’re right, and I apologize.
As far as the article I requested… I don’t recall seeing your post… if I did see it and ignored it, I apologize. Though I still don’t agree with you :-)
March 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmOoops! My previous comment was meant for Dale. (I know, I know: Dale, Jake… what is the difference?)
March 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmRUC, even though I don’t agree with anything you say… best of luck in the test… hope everything turns out okay.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#110, gee TMM, I’m so sorry my work interfered with you getting the answers you wanted. Guess discussing with you is MUCH more important than the lousy meeting I was in.
Yes, I looked back at the 3/23 thread… all I basically posted was that I felt the attorney scandal was overblown, and that I felt Pres. Bush had the right to replace attorneys. I still do. If it turns out that he replaced someone that was going to be investigating a friend/confidante/supporter/etc, then yes, that needs dealt with.
March 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#113, the NYT article from your first link is no longer available… can’t comment on that.
Re: the second link; it shows that only 10 atty’s have been let go in the middle of their terms; Clinton let all the prosecutors go, but at the beginning of the term, not the middle. Your point?
March 30th, 2007 at 1:50 pmDale: “Clinton let all the prosecutors go, but at the beginning of the term, not the middle. Your point?”
See, Dale, this is what people are talking about with respect to you. One more time and that’s it: THE POINT IS THAT IT’S STANDARD PROCEDURE TO REPLACE PROSECUTORS AT THE BEGINNING OF A TERM. IT IS NOT STANDARD PROCEDURE TO REPLACE PROSECUTORS IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR TERMS. AND, IF THEY ARE INVOLVED IN CASES WHICH MAY BE HARMFUL TO THE PEOPLE IN POWER, THERE MAY BE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE INVOLVED.
Get it?
March 30th, 2007 at 2:13 pmComment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
The NYTimes article is still available. If you really wanted to read it , all you’d have to do is register. It’s free.
My point is that all presidents replace US attorneys at the beginning of their terms, and that the firing of a number prosecutors in the middle of the term of the president who appointed them is unprecedented.
My larger point -which you ignored, of course- is that Jake’s claim has already been addressed multiple times. That was in response to your question. Do you forget your own questions that quickly?
March 30th, 2007 at 2:15 pmDale sez:
That’s funny…it didn’t seem to interfere with you trying to lie to me.
Oh, is that all?
From the thread in question:
And then a response from Yours Truly:
To which you replied:
Which prompted this reply from me:
As you didn’t reply after this post, I assumed you didn’t have any questions.
So…still want to claim that all you talked about was how you “felt the attorney scandal was overblown”, and that you felt Pres. Bush had the right to replace attorneys”? Or will you now admit your LIE?
March 30th, 2007 at 2:23 pmTMM, okay, so I posted more than I thought… but I have *not* looked into the scandal much, I don’t *plan* on looking into the scandal much… I don’t have *time* to look into the scandal much.
The only thing I mentioned about the atty’s in this thread is that it seemed everybody was ignoring Jake’s post… yet you want me to start posting on the atty scandal? Sorry, I’m not going to take the time to look into it.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:28 pmRemember ALL great empires fall eventually. The United States is NO exception!
March 30th, 2007 at 2:31 pmDale sez:
I’ll take that as an admission of guilt. Despite the delay in getting that admission to us, I still forgive you.
And three separate posters, myself included, explained to you why were were ignoring him…and you responded by crowing once again about how we can’t handle facts, and then asking if Jake’s points had been debunked.
Sorry, but after that much caterwauling, you’re in the discussion, whether you like it or not. I asked you a valid question…a question I knew you could answer, since we had already discussed it in depth on the 23rd. But instead of an honest answer, you feed me this BS about how you’re ‘not following the firings’.
Pathetically lame, Dale…even for you. Positively Jake-esque.
What I wanted was the truth from you. It’s really shameful that it took two and a half hours to beat it out of you.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pmOh glory day.
Well, gee, I guess some of us have jobs that won’t let us spend all day just looking for things to post. But I guess next time I’ll just tell everybody that I can’t do what they need, cause hendler needs some answer ASAP.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThe only thing I mentioned about the atty’s in this thread is that it seemed everybody was ignoring Jake’s post…
Comment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
And your claim has already been addressed as well. As you can plainly see, many people refuted Jake’s nonsense. Not to mention entire threads dedicated to the attorney firing.
This, in turn, makes your comment:
And now, cue the “oh, we’re not going to bother responding to Jake†chorus.
Comment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 10:29 am
even more nonsensical.
It seems to me it is you and Jake who have no use for facts.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:51 pmDale sez:
First of all, because who needs answers? You feeling OK?
Second, as I said before, the central issue here is the fact that you tried to lie to me. Your oh-so-busy schedule didn’t seem to interfere with that.
Dale, you’re busted. Give it up.
March 30th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI guess some of us have jobs that won’t let us spend all day just looking for things to post.
Comment by Dale — March 30, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
If you can’t stand the heat, please leave the kitchen.
You have already been provided with enough facts. Acknowledge them and stop discombobulating.
And, are you in the habit of commenting on things you know “nothing about”? Because you seemed plenty happy of commenting on the attorney firing barely a week ago. Or did you lose all knowledge on the subject between then and today?
Inquiring minds want to know…
March 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI already said that I had posted more than I thought I did… if you’re looking for any more than that, then keep looking…
March 30th, 2007 at 3:11 pmDale,
So -you were aware that you had commented on the attorney scandal in the past, yet today you protested against posting anything at all because you knew “nothing about it”. Right. Got it.
See, this is the downside of a blog for liars, cheaters, and generally deceitful people like you: you cannot run from what you wrote.
But do keep coming back; help us show everyone out there (”the lurkers” as your brother-in-arms Jake calls them) what the loyal Bush minion base is really made of.
March 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pm…you don’t need to lie to me about the bus, either way, I’ll still accept you.
Comment by squegeebooo
Yes, but you’d tease me mercilessly, so I’ll keep up the pretense. :-)
March 30th, 2007 at 3:26 pmGeez Dale, looks like you’re busted.
March 30th, 2007 at 3:27 pmGive it up.
Caption Contest:
Chimpy: Can I use my tongue this time?
Abdullah: Son of a camel – make my tonsils dance
March 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pmTurtle,
That sent horrible chills up my back, and made me want to puke.
Good one…
March 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pmI go to work for a few days and come back to read some of the posting and what do you know?, Jake-off is still here and will never be persuaded to take his dillusions elsewhere. From my interpretation of the short amount of reading I have done on this thread, Jake=Dale. They will never be able to handle all the untruths that have been feed to them like oatmeal. Jake=Dale, do me/us an extremely large favor and deploy to Iraq, or maybe Iran if you are lucky, just get away from the keyboard.
March 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pmSee the LYING Perino standing there, with her EMPTY BIMBO SKULL—-”It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq”? GET A GRIP, YA DITZY SKANK!!!!! JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE COVERING FOR Snow DOESN’T MEAN YA HAVE TO REPEAT Bushland Uber Allies LIES LIKE HE DOES—-OH THAT’S RIGHT—-IT’S YA JOB TO REPEAT THEM LIES!!!!! King AbdullahRD, CERTAINLY NO FRIEND OF THE U.S., IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN HIS STATEMENT THAT THE U.S., RATHER, THE Bush administration, the white house and Bushland Uber Allies IS OCCUPYING Iraq—THERE, NOW THAT’S MORE LIKE IT!!!! TELL IT LIKE IT IS, Kingy Baby!!!!!
YES INDEEDY, WILD BILL CLINTON!!!!! BLOG CAN INDEED PROMOTE A MORE EVEN, FAIR, BALANCED AND TRUTHFUL DISCUSSION OF POLITICS THAN THE BIASED MSM AND Bush LAPDOGS OF THE MSM IN BOTH PRINT, TELEVISED AND RADIO DO AT PRESENT!!!!! WE CAN INDEED DO RESEARCH, GET THE FACTS OUT WHICH MIGHT OTHERWISE BE STIFLED BY POLITICAL PRESSURE, THOUGH AS FAR AS BAD-MOUTH IS CONCERNED, WE ARE DOING ONLY THAT WHICH THE repugnant-repubs and their TOADY trolls HAVE BEEN DOING—–PAYBACK TIME, IN SPADES!!!!! HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!! HAH!
Julie MacDonald ALTERED to MINIMIZE PROTECTIONS—SAID CHIMPya, “Give that girl a medal and PROMOTE her–she’s a TEAM player Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh!” TYPICAL Bushland Uber Allies SYSTEM—-REWARD THE F*CK-UP, INCOMPETENT WRONGDOERS(to Bushland’s ENEMIES) AND PUNISH THE HARD-WORKING, EFFECTIVE CORRECT INDIVIDUALS(who help Bushland’s ENEMIES by their actions)!!!!!
Ah Yes, FAT-F*CK Rove CALLING THE SHOTS—–Rove SHOULD BE SHOT, NOT CALLING THEM!!!!!
Gates MAY BE PART OF Bushland Uber Allies BUT AT LEAST HE HAS AN OUNCE OF DECENCY AND EQUANIMITY IN HIS BODY!!!!!
ALOHA OE, Peter Wehner—WERE YOU A WHINER, OR A WINER, OR A WINNER IN THE END!!!!!
Dear Miss Piggy FAT-F*ck Rove, This is to hereby inform you that your immediate response to this request in absolutely mandated by the fact that I will kick your fat ass from here to Kalamazoo if you do not comply immediately. With sincere best wishes that you drop dead from rectal bleeding if you choose not to reply…Yours Truly,…………
AND Boehner SHOWED CHIMPya HIS BONER, WHICH CHIMPya IMMEDIATELY POUNCED UPON WITH GLEE!!!!!
CHIMPya WAS OFFERED SOME BLACKBERRIES BY A TOADY LOBBYIST WHO WANTED TO BRIBE HIM SO THE LOBBYIST ASKED CHIMPya,
March 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“Mr, President, I have some blackberries for you…where shall I leave them?” CHIMPya “Jus’ leave the bushel in the kitchen boy—I hav’ a hankerin’ to eat some of them blackberries for dessert tonite! Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh!!!!!”
“It is not accurate to say that the United States is occupying Iraq.â€
WTF WTF WTF…………will someone organize a militia and overthrow the American government, please. Let the bombs go off in Cleveland, Chicago,LA, everywhere & wake the sonorous Americans up. You are an occupying, militaristic people!!!
March 31st, 2007 at 3:57 pm