ThinkFast: April 2, 2007
ThinkFast: April 2, 2007
For the second year in a row, President Bush will skip the tradition of throwing out the ceremonial first pitch in Washington’s baseball home opener. With Bush’s approval ratings stuck in the low 30s in recent polls, a White House spokeswoman “was asked whether the president feared he’d get booed. ‘No,’ she replied. ‘Certainly not.’” Last Opening Day, Cheney filled in for Bush and was peppered with loud boos. (Watch it.)
Amir Raheem, a merchant at the Shorja market visited by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), disagreed with the senators’ claims that the market is proof Iraq is getting safer. “Just yesterday, an Iraqi soldier was shot in his shoulder by a sniper, and the day before, two civilians were shot by a sniper as well…Everybody closes their shops by 2:30 p.m.”
“Iraqi figures estimate civilian deaths in violence across the country rose by 13% last month, despite the security crackdown in Baghdad.”
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) “has installed longtime friends and political associates on several boards,” including his dentist on the state dental board and his chiropractor as chair of the chiropractic panel. They are “facing complaints that they are unqualified, beholden to the industries they oversee or otherwise mired in conflicts of interest.”
“As Al Qaeda rebuilds in Pakistan’s tribal areas, a new generation of leaders has emerged under Osama bin Laden to cement control over the network’s operations, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials.” Michael Scheuer, a former head of the CIA’s bin Laden tracking unit, said, “Al Qaeda is still humming along, and with a new generation of leaders.”
The American Prospect details the connections between former MZM lobbyist Mitchell Wade and Vice President Cheney, offering some clues as to how Wade was able to receive a federal contract from the Vice President’s office without having any previous experience. From 1991-93, Wade worked in Cheney’s Pentagon as an intelligence officer.
On Friday, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will release a report that “will underline this growing climate divide.” Wealthy nations far from the equator will not only experience fewer effects, but will also be “better able to withstand them.”
The guilty plea of Australian Gitmo prisoner David Hicks is raising questions about the involvement of Dick Cheney. Andrew Sullivan notes “Cheney goes to Australia and meets with John Howard who tells him that the Hicks case is killing him in Australia.” Hicks’s case is then accelerated. “What an amazing coincidence that, with an election in Australia by the end of the year, [Hicks] gets nine months and he is gagged for 12 months from talking about it,” said Australian lawyer Lex Lasry.
And finally: Google celebrated April Fool’s Day yesterday by announcing that it will offer broadband Internet service through home plumbing systems — Toilet Internet Service Provider (TiSP). “[T]oday our Toilet ISP team is pleased to be leading the way through the sewers, up out of your toilet and splat right onto your PC,” said co-founder and president Larry Page in the facetious statement.
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Interesting video everyone should watch.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 amIf only George had stuck to the baseball business……….
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:15 amFDR didn’t throw out the first pitch during WWII either.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:15 amJust to get things off on the right footing, I disagree with you Dale…
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 am(You can pick a topic…..)
Last year, opening day was an horrendous one here in Cincinnati. Bush threw out the first pitch. And the Reds lost 16-7.
This year the Democratic, African-American mayor of Cincinnati, Mark Mallory is doing the first pitch honors.
What a difference a year makes.
Go Reds!!!!!
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 amComment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Nice propaganda video, Dale.
Thanks for wasting four minutes and fifty-two seconds of my life.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 amLet’s keep our eye on the “ball” people – it’s all about Iran.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 amWhat a surprise that Schwarzenegger and Cheney keep on giving their buddies special deals whether or not the buddies are qualified.
Certainly we should accept at face value Saint McCain’s analysis of the situation in Iraq. After all, going around with body armor, soldier escorts, and helicopter cover means that any American can walk around in Baghdad without worry.
w certainly would throw out the first ball in Washington if only everyone in attendance would be held to a year of not being able to speak about the occasion. We wouldn’t want any false statements made. The whole thing should be covered by the “critical” White House press corps.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 am“As the Western media turns its attention to the fate of 15 Britons detained for allegedly trespassing into Iranian waters over the weekend, the status of five Iranian officials captured in a U.S. military raid on a liaison office in northern Iraq on Jan. 11 remains a mystery.â€
Even though high-level Iraqi officials have publicly called for their release, for all practical purposes, the Iranians have disappeared into the U.S.-sanctioned “coalition detention†system that has been criticized as arbitrary and even illegal by many experts on international law.
The five men remain in U.S. custody and have not been formally charged with a crime.
“They have disappeared. I don’t know if they’ve gone into the enemy combatant system,†said Gary Sick, an Iran expert at Columbia University. “Nobody on the outside knows.â€
A spokesman for the Multinational Forces Iraq (MFI), Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, told IPS this week “They are still in ‘coalition detention’ in accordance with the U.N. Security Council Resolution 1546, 1637 and 1723.†He provided no further information regarding their status or treatment.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:23 amBarack Obama loses credibility every day with rhetoric like this…
Obama Says Congress Will Fund Iraq War
SIOUX CITY, Iowa (AP) — If President Bush vetoes an Iraq war spending bill as promised, Congress quickly will provide the money without the withdrawal timeline the White House objects to because no lawmaker “wants to play chicken with our troops,” Sen. Barack Obama said Sunday.
“My expectation is that we will continue to try to ratchet up the pressure on the president to change course,” the Democratic presidential candidate said in an interview with The Associated Press. “I don’t think that we will see a majority of the Senate vote to cut off funding at this stage.”
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 amBaseball, hotdogs, apple pie, and hiding away
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:33 amMcCain and Graham are delusional about Iraq. They’re trying to give ‘W’ an excuse to leave in the near future.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 amMerchant Amir in Baghdad :”We close shops at 2:30 p.m.”..may be they can afford to do that,because of prosperity that Senator McCain talked about in that street….
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 am“As Al Qaeda rebuilds in Pakistan’s tribal areas, a new generation of leaders has emerged under Osama bin Laden to cement control over the network’s operations, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials.â€
Under who???
Under the guy who’s been dead since 2001???
I don’t dispute that there are still Al Qaeda operatives out there. But I’m finding it a little difficult to stay afraid of a dead man.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 amYet steroids in baseball merited a mention in the State of the Union.
This guy is so done.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 amFor the second year in a row, President Bush will skip the tradition of throwing out the ceremonial first pitch in Washington’s baseball home opener.
That’s because he throws like a friggin’ girl.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 am“For the second year in a row, President Bush will skip the tradition of throwing out the ceremonial first pitch in Washington’s baseball home opener.”
I have a “special” baseball designed just for you W. .Thank you, thankyouall.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 amIf Obama is true in what he is saying then the whole bill sent to Bush is nothing but a show.
What is the purpose of this bill ?!!…if Bush can veto it,then he still can get the money anyway,and the surge continues.
It is the duty given to the Congress by the US constituation to use the purse to force the government to do things that the people want and voted for.
The last election is no exception..people voted to stop this war…
So, what is left to the Congress? If Bush still can get all the money he needs…The answer is nothing.
Where is ‘checks and balances’ factor here.?
Obama, seems trying to please everybody..he will end up pleasing none at the end..
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:43 amCheerleaders don’t play ball.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 amWant a lift? Read this:
Harry Reid gets on board with Feingold:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=585082
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:50 amComment by Larry from C — April 2, 2007 @ 9:26 am
This is a specious argument. Withholding funding is not going to harm the troops. If Obama knows this, he’s grandstanding, using his alleged ’sympathy for the troops’ as a campaign tactic. If he doesn’t know this, he’s too poorly informed to be seriously considered for the office, even if the bar has been dramatically lowered since 2000.
The money to bring our troops home is either already allocated, or is not. If it is, no amount of withholding of funds is going to impair Chimpy’s ability to bring them home. If it is not, this is a complete abdication of Chimp’s Commander-in-Chief responsibilities to our troops, and grounds for impeachment (as if any more grounds were needed).
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:52 amInteresting video, Dale, halfway through, the Corporal has his arms folded across his chest. This is also the time when he beings with the litany of talking points.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:54 amDavid Hick’s father has vowed not keep his mouth shut about his son’s unfair trial, forced guilty plea and forced signing of a statement that he was not abused. I hope he takes any and every chance to speak out in the independent and MSM.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 amTripMaster Monkey, so those are all “fake tapes” about the London bombings and John Kerry running for President?
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 amBooing and laughing at the Bushies should be our national pastime.
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:56 am#6, #21… propaganda video? Talking points? A corporal, sending a video home, talking about his views on why he’s in Iraq, the good and bad points, yet it’s a propaganda video?
Doesn’t his point of view matter at all to you?
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:59 am(Caption:)
The Food and Drug Administration announced it is looking closer into the genetic manipulation of foods, after receiving a call from the White House.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 amThe pResident realized the possible side affects of the technology upon awakening from his morning nap with an enlarged stomach, and an extra hand clutching a baseball growing out of the back of his neck.
#4, Penguins are going to make it at least to the conference championship :-)
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 amCharles sez:
Yes.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:04 amBriseadh na Faire sez:
Classic body language giveaway. He’s defensive about something, isn’t he?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:06 am#25 – Republicans have proven that minority points of view are irrelevant.
At least that was their perspective from 2001-2006.
For some reason, Republicans felt that minority points of view suddenly carried weight as of Nov. 9th, 2006. Go figure.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:06 amI’ll go ten to one on the Blackhawks, Dale!
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:07 am#1 Dale
Interesting video everyone should watch.
Since it’s from you, I think I’ll skip it. Let me guess–some right-wing propaganda?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 am#32, actually, a soldier who was in Iraq, giving his views on his mission over there.
But let me guess; he’s being paid by the RNC, right?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:16 am#28 Anyone who watches movies and saw the bin Ladin tapes had to wonder, after having been carpet-bombed and not being seen since, if he wasn’t long-dead and being puppeteered from beyond the grave… perhaps what’s needed to restore a healthy sense of scepticism is to make a high-quality CGI of Bin Ladin going on at length about the x-rated getaway he and Cheney shared in Havana one steamy summer….
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 amWith Bush’s approval ratings stuck in the low 30s in recent polls, a White House spokeswoman “was asked whether the president feared he’d get booed. ‘No,’ she replied. ‘Certainly not.’â€
Of course he’d get booed. They can’t hand-pick the baseball fans. By the way, speaking of the Bubble Boy, here’s a good one from the Onion:
Heroic Secret Service Agent Takes Question Intended For Bush
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 am#31, ooh, Raven, this is one time, when you’ll HAVE to admit I’m right… the Blackhawks won’t even MAKE the playoffs :-)
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 am“Al Qaeda is still humming along, and with a new generation of leaders.â€
But, that can’t be. I thought we were fighting terrorists in Iraq. How can they possibly be building up elsewhere? Wait a minute. Are you trying to see we shouldn’t be ignoring Osama bin Laden?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 amOh, yeah, I forgot, all the Blackhawks are busy in the Middle East…
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:28 amanyone know if this guy believes in the Constitution?
Real estate magnate wins bidding for Tribune
By Thomas S. Mulligan and James Rainey, Times Staff Writers
6:29 AM PDT, April 2, 2007
Billionaire real estate mogul Sam Zell has reached an agreement to buy Tribune Co. in a two-stage deal valued at $8.2 billion, or $34 a share, the company said this morning.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:29 am[...]
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tribuneweb2apr02,0,2002970.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Inspector Lists Computers With Atomic Secrets as Missing
WASHINGTON, March 30 — The office in charge of protecting American technical secrets about nuclear weapons from foreign spies is missing 20 desktop computers, at least 14 of which have been used for classified information, the Energy Department inspector general reported on Friday.
This is the 13th time in a little over four years that an audit has found that the department, whose national laboratories and factories do most of the work in designing and building nuclear warheads, has lost control over computers used in working on the bombs.
Aside from the computers it cannot find, the department is also using computers not listed in its inventory, and one computer listed as destroyed was in fact being used, the audit said.
“Problems with the control and accountability of desktop and laptop computers have plagued the department for a number of years,†the report said.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 amComment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 9:14 am
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 amDale did you intentionally pick a soldier who sounded like an inarticulate boob or did you just not notice.
But I guess as long as he thinks things are great we can bring all the other soldiers home now.
chimpeach, I think TripMaster Monkey is saying that Osama is already dead?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 am#25 yes it is a propaganda video when it is addressed to democrats. What the corporal fails to mention is that 1) we never should have gone there in the first place 2) no matter how long we stay the Sunni’s and Shia will eventually keep fighting each other. If you don’t believe me just look at the situation, they have been at relative peace for year, but when the veil of government is lifted they fight and kill. These people have very long memories they still refer tot he crusades as if they were ten years ago. Look at Kosovo, those people waited 700 years and started up again. What makes anyone think that the people of the region will suddenly change to totally western ways of thinking?
Also as to the corporals point of view it is the same as if a factory worker expresses his point of view. It is entirely valid for when and where he is. But even though that particular factory worker sees that he can still produce quality products, the upper management has a better view of the overall situation and knows if there is a market for the products or if they should even be making those products any more. Case in point I had a friend in the printing industry. He ran a certain type of press and was not seeking any training on new technology. Another friend in the advertising business listened to the one guy talk and even though the printer was knowledgeable about his job and skilled at it the advertising guy knew that the technology the other was using was already out of date and soon to be come a foot note to history. 15 years later there is no printing job for my one friend, his company no longer exists. But his point f view was valid from where he sat and from what he saw.
The corporal is qualified to comment on is what he does and what he sees as he has no high level view of the whole situation. I’m not trying to denigrate this young man, but facts are facts. Beside we have no clue as to how his personal views were shaped, was he an unapologetic fox news watcher who eagerly anticipated Ann Coulter books being released, or as I call them the unknowingly uninformed? Or is he being entirely earnest with his views? Was he simply sending a message for friends and family who have turned it into a propaganda piece? Or was he intending it to be propaganda from day one?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 amCharles sez:
Yes, Charles…that’s exactly what I said.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 am#41 must be Clintons fault.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 amDoesn’t his point of view matter at all to you?
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 9:59 am
N O
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 amLarry from C sez:
This is insane. I’m a Network Administrator, and if 20 of my desktops (14 of which contained sensitive information) suddenly went ‘missing’, while systems listed as retired were still in use, along with systems not cleared for the internal LAN, I’d be clearing out my desk.
Is the government hiring? Because I could really use a new job where they just hand me money for doing nothing, and don’t hold me accountable for anything in my charge.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 am#42, #47… I forgot, he’s just another example of our dumb military members who had no other options.
His point of view doesn’t matter? Even though he’s an American? Doesn’t he have a right to a point of view as much as you or I?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 amComment by Larry from C — April 2, 2007 @ 10:30 am
Good thing we don’t have to worry about terrorism. The President says we’re fighting them in Iraq so we don’t have to fight them here.
Good thing we can trust our President otherwise we might all get a little edgy over those missing nuclear secrets.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:50 amFor the second year in a row, President Bush will skip the tradition of throwing out the ceremonial first pitch in Washington’s baseball home opener. With Bush’s approval ratings stuck in the low 30s in recent polls, a White House spokeswoman “was asked whether the president feared he’d get booed. ‘No,’ she replied. ‘Certainly not.’†Last Opening Day, Cheney filled in for Bush and was peppered with loud boos.
Yep, he’s afraid of being booed. Or laughed at…
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 amFDR didn’t throw out the first pitch during WWII either.
Comment by Charles — April 2, 2007 @ 9:15 am
FDR had Poliomyelitis (POLIO) and the 1st lady ran the country at times due to FDR’s illness. You just smeared a cripple, good job Charles!!
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 amComment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Dale, where are you trying to go with this? I’ve kept quite since my initial response, hoping you’d just run out of steam, but it looks like the aggressive pushing of this video on the ThinkFast thread is your assignment du jour.
We have reliable information about what is going on in Iraq. Apocryphal claims from a single soldier are not nearly enough to refute that information (even if he really is a soldier, and even if he really was in Iraq, and even if he personally believed all the propaganda he was catapulting).
I could go on here, but Mark stated the case quite eloquently in post #44. The fact that you addressed your latest response to post #42 and #47, while completely skipping over the well-reasoned argument in post #44, speaks volumes about your true intentions.
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 am#43 Charles
chimpeach, I think TripMaster Monkey is saying that Osama is already dead?
He may or may not be. I don’t claim to know. My point is that Bush doesn’t seem to think he’s dead, but he doesn’t care about him, either. If Bush thinks he’s alive, and al Qaeda’s going strong in Pakistan, what are we doing putting all of our effort into supposedly stopping terrorism in Iraq?
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 amGov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) “has installed longtime friends and political associates on several boards,†including his dentist on the state dental board and his chiropractor as chair of the chiropractic panel. They are “facing complaints that they are unqualified, beholden to the industries they oversee or otherwise mired in conflicts of interest.â€
Imagine that…
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 am“Iraqi figures estimate civilian deaths in violence across the country rose by 13% last month, despite the security crackdown in Baghdad.â€
Shouldn’t they be thanking us for bringing them democracy?
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 amZooey sez:
Or worse. Imagine if a few irate citizens, nicely toasted after a little pre-game tailgating, decided to have a few words with Chimpy, and had to be restrained by the authorities. Imagine the media feeding frenzy that would ensue, even if there were no injuries.
Chimpy hates any venue he cannot control absolutely.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 amCpl Mason’s opinions aren’t propaganda. In the beginning, he states two points of view and chooses to support the one the President advocates. I don’t agree with him, but I don’t call it propaganda when someone says what they believe.
If Bush doesn’t throw the first pitch, and Cheney doesn’t, then isn’t Pelosi next in line?
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 amGov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) “has installed longtime friends and political associates on several boards,â€
Another one of his appointees, Robert P. Vellanweth was arrested for drunk driving. The accident killed 4 people. 3 young women and a 19 month boy.
Roberto Vellanoweth, 63, left the Sacramento County Main Jail Wednesday after posting a $250,000 bond. He had been booked late Tuesday night on suspicion of four counts of gross vehicular manslaughter, felony drunken driving and resisting arrest.
Vellanoweth, a prominent Latino Republican leader, was removed from his post on a state optometry board Tuesday (March 27th) by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger after the arrest.
Police obtained a blood sample from Vellanoweth shortly after the collision that resulted in the 0.16 percent measurement. To reach that level, a 200-pound man — Vellanoweth’s weight — would have to consume eight or nine drinks in an hour, according to guidelines from the Alcoholic Beverages Division in Iowa.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 amdithered sez:
Assuming that they are indeed Cpl. Mason’s genuine opinions, they are not propaganda. However, the use to which they have been put most assuredly is.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:07 am#58, thank you… I wish more people felt like you do.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:08 amWe’ve heard a lot about civilian casualties, and we’ve heard about our soldiers’ casualties… what about terrorist casualties? Why haven’t we heard totals for how many terrorists we’ve killed in Iraq?
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 amHis point of view doesn’t matter? Even though he’s an American? Doesn’t he have a right to a point of view as much as you or I?
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Mark in #44 gave you a full explanation of his opinion on this video and you chose to ignore him.
Obviously the only way to deal with you trolls is in the most basic of terms.
If you respected my point of view you wouldn’t be on this site. If I wanted to listen to neocon crap I’d be watching Fox News. I don’t personally use anecdotal evidence such as one soldier’s video to justify important issues such as sending more Americans into harms way.
Now I understand how easily you people can be persuaded to believe the large amount of lies the administration has fed us.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 amThe fact that you addressed your latest response to post #42 and #47, while completely skipping over the well-reasoned argument in post #44, speaks volumes about your true intentions.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 2, 2007 @ 10:59 am
When I read Mark’s reasoned response to Dale I appreciated how thoughtful his opinion was and new immediately that Dale would ignore it. I guess that there is only one dialect of trollese.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 amYa’ll are on fire this morning!
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 amDale sez:
Offhand, I’d say it’s because, in the current situation in Iraq, it’s impossible to define who the enemy is. (This also makes it difficult to define the conditions for ‘victory’ in Iraq.)
By the way, am I going to get a response to my post #53, or will you be cravenly ignoring it, like you did with Mark’s post #44? Did you borrow The List â„¢ from Shakey Jake?
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 amWhy haven’t we heard totals for how many terrorists we’ve killed in Iraq?
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Yeah Dale, why haven’t we? This seems like data that would help the administration’s cause.
I guess you could add up all the suicide bombers and you’d have a start. Oh that’s right, they’ve been using children and other innocent types with the explosives, do you want to count them as terrorists or not?
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 am#63. As you think this soldiers point of view doesn’t matter, then your point of view is immaterial to me. God forbid we should listen to anybody ELSE’s point of view, now should we?
As far as Marks post in #44:
Subjective opinion… many on the right AND the left (Pres. Clinton, Sec. Albright, Sen Kerry, Rep. Pelosi) have advocated the toppling of Hussein. This is *your* opinion… or should I say ‘propaganda’?
Then why did we take action in Bosnia? If the criteria for taking action is the certainty that things will change for all time (and if 700 years isn’t enough, then ‘all time’ is a valid timeline), then we may as well not take action ANYWHERE in ANY circumstance. Let’s all bury our heads in the sand.
Immaterial… even though a manager may have a better view of the ‘big picture’, he still needs to know what’s happening on the production line to make informed decisions. By ignoring that factory worker, his decisions will be based *only* on his own preconceived notions.
Not applicable… your friend refused to change with the times, stubbornly holding on to only what he knew best… refusing to change.
Immaterial… if you assume that he’s possibly just repeating what he watches on FNC or reads in a Coulter book, then you’re implying that he’s not a thinking individual, and you ARE denigrating him.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 amTMM, gimmee a break… #44 was longer, I needed more time to respond…
Ah, the whole RNC-operative paranoia again.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 amI need to add that even though I don’t think Cpl Mason’s opinions should be discounted, I feel Dale’s linking the vid here was a provocation and that affects what I take away from it. And if Mason felt that people who (like me) believe the Iraq war is a misadventure are dishonoring him and others who died in the war by disapproving of the war, he failed to understand us.
“America right or wrong,” is not my credo. Yet I am unalterably grateful and indebted to the men and women who support and defend us wherever their leaders take them. Their principled obedience is essential to our defense and absolves them of complicity in errors of leadership, including those of the Congress and the Commander in Chief.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 amDale sez:
Pity you couldn’t muster an actual response. Nothing in your post #68 explains why we should value this solitary soldier’s apocryphal opinion over the established intelligence we have regarding the situation in Iraq. Instead, it’s just full of assumptions, irrelevancies, and absurdities. A whole lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I just like to give you the benefit of the doubt. You seem too intelligent to be spreading this neocon apologist nonsense free of charge. It’s entirely possible I’m mistaken, though…
In any event, it’s nice to see that you still have the stones to reply to me. There’s one way, at least, that you and Shakey Jake differ. ^_^
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 amdithered sez:
Thank you for making the distinction between a soldier’s opinions of his personal experience in Iraq and the nefarious use to which the recording of those opinions are being put. This is the critical distinction that Dale would rather obfuscate, so when we object to this propaganda, Dale can beat his breast about how ‘libs don’t support the troops’.
It’s a shell game, pure and simple, and you just pointed out that the ball is actually up Dale’s sleeve.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 am#49 Who said he has no right to his point of view? Point to the specific instance. If anyone did they are wrong, everyone has a right to a point of view, except of course opponents of the Bush Regime. But anyhow he has a right but his point of view should be narrowly defined within the context of his message. He is no longer with us so there is no chance to clarify his message and we have no idea what his mindset was after the message was made. We have no idea whey he made the message other than the actual message itself. However I stand by my opinion that when the piece is addressed specifically to one political party it becomes propaganda. When someone takes the corporals opinion and uses it to sell a particular agenda it is propaganda. Sorry, but facts is facts. Heck, the way you present it here Dale is for purely propaganda purposes. You uses it in an attempt to show how the groundpounders view the conflict and to to sell you ideological point of view. Even if his statement was not propaganda at the time it was made, you made it such, as did whomever posted it to youtube. I personally knew a marine who was killed march 23, 2003 when an A-10 fired a missile and blew up the Amtrak he was riding in. But his point of view prior to his death was that he was glad to be in Iraq finally getting a chance to strike back at those who planned and executed 911. His point of view (opinion) was valid for him and the information he had, however subsequent events have shown that he had incorrect information and that history stands in direct opposition to his point of view.
The republicans have done a masterful job with this war. They have set it up so that regardless of what happens they will use this war for the next 30 – 40 years to show how the democrats undermined the president, to show how the supposed liberally biased press did not support the war. If we pull out and all of the predictions come true they will blame the deems and the press (probably supporters of evolution, global warming, abortion, woman’s and gay rights too) and say we could have won if not for these people… just like they have with Vietnam. they will doggedly pursue and democratic leaders with any charges they can dream up, and in 20 years we will see another overprivledged child of the knew millennium who was an ardent war supporter today run on his platform of patriotism, unity and strength while ignoring his own record of discord and incompetence in the private world. He will run on ticket fully supported and staffed by young members of this administration who will never admit that they were wrong from day one with almost every decision they made. This administration has single handedly made the Carter administration look brilliantly successful and made the Nixon administration look honest. In 20 – 30 years I hate to think what the administration I am predicting will do to make the Bush administration look good. I fear that day.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 amand you ARE denigrating him.
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Exactly the way you denigrate progressives here. You ignore everything we post and then hope to ram ONE PERSON’s opinion into our psyche. And while he may be a soldier in Iraq – for all we know he’s in Texas – he is only one soldier and doesn’t speak for every soldier in Iraq.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 amComment by mark — April 2, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Well said, mark.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 amAh, the whole RNC-operative paranoia again.
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 11:25 am
If you are just interested in the policies that Republicans believe in why aren’t you on one of the neocon sites talking to like minded people who are working towards a common goal. Or you could even go on a nonpartisan site and spread your opinions.
But you choose to come on a progressive site where people have totally different opinions and beliefs than you.
So either you are incredibly stupid and haven’t noticed that this isn’t a site for people who believe what you believe, you are totally unable to find a neocon site, or you are here to try and disrupt these threads from accomplishing.
What you don’t realize is that your right wing neocon talking points just fortify our anger and embolden us to fight harder for what WE believe in. If that’s your goal, to help us win our fight, then you are doing a great job. If your motive is to prove you are correct in your assumptions your mission has failed.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 amN O
Comment by shane — April 2, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Shane,
Really, in your own words, I would like you to tell me why the opinion of the Cpl. does not matter. Why is your opinion any more valid than his? Or mine? You say “for all we know he is in Texas”. So. I am in NC, I have been to Iraq twice. Does my opinion count for anything?
I am curious.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 am#62 Dale
We’ve heard a lot about civilian casualties, and we’ve heard about our soldiers’ casualties… what about terrorist casualties? Why haven’t we heard totals for how many terrorists we’ve killed in Iraq?
Hey, that’s a great idea! Let’s be sure that we’re counting “terrorists”, though, and not insurgents or Shiite or Sunni militia. I’d love to know how many actual terrorists we’ve killed there. How many do you think there have been?
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:13 pmSorry Dale but saying that we should not ever go in there in the first place is not an opinion, every reason given for going in has been debunked, and as time rolls on we are finding more and more that they knew before hand that what they were telling “We the people” was wrong when they were telling us and that they knew it at the time. It goes back to fixing the facts around the policy. Anyhow I find it continually more and more interesting that you and your kind keep bringing up Clinton as if everyone who opposes Bush was somehow a supporter of Clinton, I for one was not. But since you bring him up…Whatever Clintons statements may have been, he never ordered the invasion of Iraq. He and his administration knew what the consequences were, as did the military at the time and they military held to those beliefs till the administration pushed out the competent and replaced them with the complicit politically reliable friends. And once again my opinion is my opinion, when it begins to be used to support a wider political agenda it becomes propaganda. And whether you like it or not the corporals statements are propaganda in the way they are being used.
You assume I supported going to Bosnia and being the worlds police man? I did not however the biggest difference I see between the two is that we created the situation in Iraq. The situation in Balkans was pretty much an organized military campaign by a military power to exterminate a civilian population with little or no military protection. I see no organized military or government other than ours in Iraq right now. Face it is Iraq had the resources of the Sudan or of Rwanda, we never would have given it a second thought.
Not surprisingly you completely missed the point on my analogies being that in both situation people had wide views of a situation based on their narrow view of the picture, I knew from the moment I wrote it that it would fly over your head at mach speed. Of course I find it interesting that you discount my friends opinion for stubbornly holding onto only what he knew and refusing to change…I think you made a point for me and for all opponents of the wart with that statement, thank you very much.
Lastly you are assuming that he has completely formed his opinion on his own. I mealy pointed out that we have no idea if he did or not, you stubbornly refuse to admit that there is even a possibility that he might be subject to limbaugh/fox/coulter bullshit.
Anyhow, since you seem to be strongly supporting the message I’ll ask you what if this is as good as it gets? What then? And refusing to believe that is not an option, this is a hypothetical question. I always hold open the option that things may improve. Though John McCain taking a stroll through Baghdad with a company of infantry clearing the path and flanks while helicopters run security from above is hardly a show of how safe it is there.
Bob His opinion matters, but it is not reflective of the facts as we know them. Look at John McCain and his view of Iraq that he is trying to sell. What he says is not supported by factual information. Dale is selling the corporal’s opinions as if we should take only that opinion into account and drop all others. And ultimately he is using it to distract from reality and try to draw the conversation into the alternate reality world that the republicans have worked very hard to create. In that he has done a good job. I am now done with this topic.
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:16 pm[...] Hat Tip: Think Progress [...]
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmI guess I lied…
Main Entry: pro·pa·gan·da
Pronunciation: “prä-p&-’gan-d&, “prO-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect
#1 seems to be antiquitated.
#2 and #3 seem to cover our topic here.
The last thing i will add is that whhent he right continually briings up the statements of Clinton the right is using those statemments as propaganda, not the left. The right holds them up to be pondered as if everyone in America who opposes Bush supported everything Clinton ever did. That is hardly the case..
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmDoesn’t take stones, TMM, just patience :-)
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmAnd that’s why they supported the Iraq Liberation Act which proposed funding opposition groups in Iraq to topple Saddam. Unfortunately we have a republican controlled Congress in 1998 which would not provide the funding even though most of them voted for the Bill.
It was a NATO led mission to stop ethnic cleansing.
You still have to verify what the worker is saying. The worker may have various reasons for painting a certain picture.
I don’t have any idea what his motives are and you don’t either.
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:58 pmExcellent points mark… not that I agree with you, but I do enjoy discussing with you. Unfortunately I don’t really have time to respond fully. I agree that *you* didn’t say he has no right to his point of view, didn’t mean to imply that you did.
By the definition of propaganda that you posted, then most of what TP posts here (and what’s posted by commenters) is propoganda… “the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person”, i.e. the progressive movement.
I post here, not to try to disrupt threads as some have said, but to engage in friendly discussion… I rarely resort to personal attacks, I try not to just ‘troll’ (though I admit I have once in a while). I know I probably won’t change anybody’s mind, but for me, I’d rather discuss an issue with someone whom I know disagrees with me, than post 10 or 20 (yes, I agree’s) or (you’re right).
For those who’ve expressed the wish that I *don’t* post here… well, sorry… unless/until TP bans me, I don’t plan on stopping. (And note… I’ve *never* posted under an alias… I’ve always attempted to be upfront about who I am when I post.)
btw, I brought up the Clinton/Kerry/etc statements to point out that many on the left *and* the right felt the need to topple Hussein; that it wasn’t just a neocon agenda (unless you believe Clinton is a neocon :-)
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pmbtw, I brought up the Clinton/Kerry/etc statements to point out that many on the left *and* the right felt the need to topple Hussein; that it wasn’t just a neocon agenda (unless you believe Clinton is a neocon :-)
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Most wanted Saddam out of power but the Neocons chose the stupidest and most irresponsible way to do it and acted like war criminals in the process.
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:15 pm#82 but Clinton and his administraion did not topple Sadaam because they knew what would happen, they listened to the CIA and the military. They did not seek out only those opinions that were in alignment with their own. They aslo knew that they had no better option than to leave him be. Unfortuantely the republican party has to see the failure in all it’s glory befoore they will admit they were wrong, if they ever will.
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:17 pmbtw, I brought up the Clinton/Kerry/etc statements to point out that many on the left *and* the right felt the need to topple Hussein; that it wasn’t just a neocon agenda (unless you believe Clinton is a neocon :-)
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
How about following that up with a condemnation of the guy who set up the situation for Clinton? If Bush 1 hadn’t ok’d Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait, Clinton wouldn’t have had to deal with the situation left to him by two preceding republican administrations. It wasn’t until faced with the consequences of their failure, that president-elect Clinton chose to continue the containment strategy, which was working, by the way.
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:36 pm#84, I’m more inclined to think that they were worried that they wouldn’t have UN/world support (which Bush ‘43 didn’t)
#85, you’re repeating the notion that Bush ‘41 conspired with Hussein on the invasion of Kuwait, something for which there is no evidence.
And the containment strategy wasn’t working… Hussein continued to slaughter his own people, continued to support terrorism (remember his payments to the families of Palestinian terrorists?), and continued to attach coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones… a condition that HE AGREED TO in order to stop the Gulf War.
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:45 pm#86 no, the record clearly shows that they were not able to come up with acceptabel alternatives to Sadaam. The record also clearly shows that the Rpublican party marched in lock step agaiinst Clinton at every step. The record also shows that he did not have his own party’s backing, nor the military’s backing. Thuus as the record clearly shows he did not invade Iraq. The opinion of the UN was nto even afactor. You have to have support at home before you even think about apporaching the UN. Bush 43 defnately was trying to sway the UN, but since their information and assessments did not match the policy Bush was pushing, they coul dnot support it. Which I find funny because the Bushhinista’s allways seem to hollar that Bush was enforcing UN mmandates. Interesting isn’t it?
As to the BushI?Kuwait deal Bush 1’s handpicked appointed person told Sadaam that the US had no interest in Arab/Arab conflicts. Sound like agreen light to invade an autonomous dictatorship led country to me. YYes Kuwait iis far closer to being a dictatorship than it is to being the freedom loving democracy that Bush I claimed it to be.
April 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pmAnd the containment strategy wasn’t working… Hussein continued to slaughter his own people, continued to support terrorism (remember his payments to the families of Palestinian terrorists?), and continued to attach coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones… a condition that HE AGREED TO in order to stop the Gulf War.
Comment by Dale — April 2, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
-The containment strategy was working. It kept weapons of mass destruction out of Saddam’s hands and it kept Iraq’s neighbors safe and the world safe. Both Colin Powell and Condi agreed with this in 2001.
-It was typically for all Muslims countries to give to the family members of people who had blown themselves up.
-When did he agree to a no-fly zone?
April 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 pmA couple of comments:
April 2nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmRegarding the Balkans (Kosovo was specifically mentioned by Mark), there’s a hell of a lot more at work concerning the last fifteen years of disintegration in the former Yugoslavia. Keeping the history lesson somewhat short, Yugoslavia was in a state of decline in terms of national unity from the instant that Tito died. Tito was the SOLE glue holding the country together following its re-establishment at the end of WWII. During the war, Croatia was a semi-independent nation controlled by an Axis-sympathizing leadership, the Ustashi; the rest of Yugoslavia was chopped up and divided among the Axis powers: Italy annexed Montenegro and the Kosovo area; Bulgaria annexed Macedonia; Hungary annexed Slavonia (lying just to the north of Belgrade); Germany directly annexed Slovenia and occupied Serbia (Bosnia was split between Croatia and German Serbia). Resistance fighters from all occupied Yugoslavia operated in a sort of “unity” government which split apart as the Axis armies pulled out of the country with Tito’s fighters emerging as the victors. Under Tito’s very firm grasp, Yugoslavia’s constituent parts (which had been put together after WWI pretty much under Serbian domination) were pulled back together in a sort of “equal partners” deal (no single “republic” was supposed to be any more powerful than the others; any one which exceeded its bounds was firmly dealt with by Tito). Once Tito died, however, the “federation” began coming apart at the seams as Serbian Communists started pushing for more power in the government (the Serbs were still technically committed to the “rotating Presidency” but the President had little real power); naturally, the other 5 republics were not as happy. Also, Tito had inadvertently given Serbia “extra” power by making two Serbian provinces (Slavonia and Kosovo) “autonomous” regions with equal status to the republics, except for the Presidency. Under Tito, the ethnic divisions were muted, but the old rivalries started flaring up after a little more than 4 decades. Croatia started the move towards independence with Slovenia following very quickly (Slovenia’s independence was the first recognized by the central government since the Yugoslav Army would have to go through Croatia to keep Slovenia, and the Army couldn’t fight the Croatians while trying to reign in the Slovenes). Croatian leaders initially only wanted independence for the republic’s Tito-era defined borders, but following the Bosnian declaration of secession, and the Serb efforts to annex the majority-Serb territories, the Croatians then sought to annex Bosnia’s majority-Croat territories. (Unfortunately, under Tito, Bosnia had become a real melting pot with Serb, Croat, and Slavic Muslim towns nestled side by side, except for narrow areas along the Serbian and Croatian frontiers.) Then, Serbia declared that it would fight to keep all Serbs under Serbia’s control, with Croatia making a similar declaration to keep all Croats under Croatia’s control (Croatia had a large Serb population, while a much smaller Croat population lived in Serbia). Following the resolution of the Bosnian conflict, Serbia then faced troubles with its Muslim population in the Kosovo province. Milosevic set the course by appearing in the city of Kosovo (which played a key role in Serbian history) and making the declaration that Kosovo would remain the “heart” of Serbia. Unfortunately, the Kosovars in the province (ethnically speaking, the Kosovars are Albanians) proved resitant, demanding their province become an independent state. To lessen this happening, Milosevic began a policy of relocating ethnic Serbs (who’d fled Croatian and Bosnian territory) into the Kosovo province for several years; after the Serbian population grew large enough, Milosevic demanded that a referendum would be held to determine the province’s status. The Kosovars rejected this demand and announced that they would not vote in the referendum and would reject the results. Milosevic then pushed for another round of ethnic cleansing, this time of the Kosovars. (Yes, THAT’s the short version. The long version would delve back to the 14th Century with the Ottoman Conquest of the Balkans and move up to WWI and the founding of the “Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes”.)
Second, regarding the “many on the left *and* the right” feeling a need to topple Hussein that Dale invoked, sorry, man, but it WAS a neocon agenda. The “left” wanted to remove Hussein for his flagrant abuses of human rights violations. The “right” firmly SUPPORTED Hussein until he became more trouble than he was worth. I don’t want Dale to forget that it was the REAGAN administration that supplied Saddam with intel in the 1980-88 Gulf War against Iran. It was the REAGAN administration that provided Saddam with the INGREDIENTS to manufacture both chemical and biological weapons (and also provided hardware to allow Saddam to deploy those weapons). It was the REAGAN administration that sat by and did NOTHING while Saddam used chemical warfare on not only his Iranian adversaries but also Kurds and Shi’ites living inside Iraq’s borders. Only after Saddam invaded Kuwait did Saddam become “problematic” and even then, it was the BUSH I administration which should be held accountable for failing to direct its Ambassador to Iraq to CLEARLY spell out US opposition to any invasion; instead, April Glaspie was instructed to state that the US held no position on inter-Arab disputes–not surprisingly, Saddam read that as an “all-clear” to proceed as he wanted. When Saddam did invade Kuwait, the Kuwaitis then proceeded to pull the most elaborate propaganda campaign to get the US to “liberate” their country (in the meantime, young Kuwaiti men were busy battling in Cairo and Parisian discos to see who could score the most booty rather than trying to fight to free their homeland). The truth in Kuwait was that, for the average Kuwaiti, life proceeded pretty much as usual (at least until Desert Storm began). The Kuwaiti propagandists and their US neocon supporters made all sorts of promises to improve life for the average Kuwaiti as well as the over 50% of Kuwaiti residents who weren’t citizens (they were largely the “guest workers” who did all the drudge work that was too demeaning for the Kuwaiti elite); of course, once the country was “liberated”, the status quo was re-established (women didn’t get the right to vote or sit in Parliament for another decade). Following the “liberation”, Bush I made comments that suggested anyone or any group that managed to overthrow Saddam would receive the full backing of the US and when the “no-fly zones” were established, Kurds in the north and Shi’ites in the south thought they would have that support and attempted to break Saddam’s control. Their failure was the DIRECT result of the NEOCON refusal to back just “anyone” (the NEOCONs wanted someone that they could control, as they thought they’d had with Saddam). The “left” denounced the Bush I failures to deliver the support he had promised. Clinton, it should be noted, while supporting the desire to topple Saddam, NEVER openly pressed the issue nor did he promise to back any group as openly as Bush I had. Clinton supported an INTERNAL coup, one that had the support of the Iraqi people, but he didn’t make any strong attempt to directly topple Saddam. Dubya, on the other hand, has given over half a dozen DIFFERENT (and almost completely non-related) “reasons” for invading Iraq. And “toppling Saddam” was NEVER the main focus (Saddam’s “toppling” only became a key point in the days immediately prior to the opening “shock-and-awe” campaign; even then, Dubya only pushed for Saddam to “leave” Iraq, as in “go into exile”).
Incidentally, Dale, this whole Iraq fiasco has shown how NOT to deal with the Middle East. While it’s fine and dandy to talk about removing “madmen” from power, if you don’t have a f***in’ clue who’s in the wings waiting to take over (or who has a reasonable chance at coming into power), you shouldn’t even think about removing the madman, as there’s always another madman waiting in the wings. (That was actually one of the main reasons that Qaddafi has stayed in power since NO ONE in any intelligence agency–not even MOSSAD–has a clue who’s likely to take power if Qaddafi goes.)
85, you’re repeating the notion that Bush ‘41 conspired with Hussein on the invasion of Kuwait, something for which there is no evidence. Dale
I’m repeating the established fact that Bush 1 gave Saddam the go-ahead to invade. His representative, April Glaspie, told Saddam that the US wouldn’t interfere if he invaded Kuwait. And yes, there is evidence.
And the containment strategy wasn’t working… Hussein continued to slaughter his own people, continued to support terrorism (remember his payments to the families of Palestinian terrorists?),
More bullshit from the Right. Saddam gave money to families who were displaced by Israelis because a family member happened to blow himself up in a terrorist act. In many cases, they didn’t even know what their sons were planning, until the bulldozers showed up to raise their house. Boy, you’ll swallow any Rightist talking point, won’t you? It’s like your laughable defense of the SSI cap the other day; you showed you knew little about the subject, other that what you had previously been spoon-fed by the likes of Rush, and Hannity.
April 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pmIF THESE FANS ARE TRUE AMERICANS, THEY’LL BOO CHIMPya OUT OF THE STADIUM AS HE SLINKS OUT WITH HIS SIMIAN TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS, SOBBING BECAUSE NOBODY LIKE HIM ANY MORE? THEY NEVER DID TO BEGIN WITH, THE NAZI-FASCIST CRIMINAL!!!!!
ITS TOO BAD McPAIN AND Graham WEREN’T SHOT BY THAT SNIPER—TWO LESS repugnant-repubs TO WASTE OUT ALREADY SCARCE OXYGEN IN THE ATHMOSPHERE—–WORTHLESS VERMIN TWATS!!!!!
YEP, THE VIOLENCE GROWD GREATER AND CHIMPya, FRANKENCheney, Rove, Bushland Uber Allies AND ITS SUPPORTERS LIKE McPAIN and Graham AND THEIR LIES GROW GREATER AND GREATER “Every Day In Every Way Things Are Getting Better And Better—We Can Walk In The Streets—-We Can Buy Rugs—–The People Have Electricity(LESS THAN WHEN Saddam WAS STILL IN POWER)—–We Are Winning(IF YOU GO BY THE NUMBER OF DEAD BODIES, MAINLY OF CIVILIAN INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WHILE THE REAL VILLAINS THUMB THEIR NOSE AT THE U.S.)——Things Are Looking Up, So Put On A Happy Face(THE SNICKERING SKULL-FACE OF DEATH, WHICH SHOULD TAKE ALL OF Bushland Uber Allies AND ITS SUPPORTERS TO WHERE THE WOODBINE TWINETH, THAT PLACE WHERE NO MAN RETURNETH FROM, THE ROAD TO MICTLANTECHUTLI, THE DUSTY AND FINAL ROAD TO DEATH!!!!!)!!!!!
TYPICAL repugnant-repub MOVE OF PUTTING CRONIES WITH NO EXPERIENCE, ABILITY OR QUALIFICATION INTO POSITIONS SOLELY BY VIRTUE OF THEIR CONNECTIONS TO THE APPOINTER, IN THIS CASE Ah-nold the GROPENSFUHRER—-I KNEW HE WAS A NAZI CREEP AS WELL AS A TWO-BIT ACTOR, BUT, HEY, THEN SO WAS Reagan—-ONCE A NAZI ALWAYS A FASCIST-NAZI CREEP!!!!!
Al Qaeda “is still humming along,” WHILE CHIMPya and FRANKENCheney ARE TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS STUCK UP THEIR FILTHY ANUSES AND WORRYING ABOUT THEIR LEGACIES AND WHETHER THEY WILL BE PROSECUTED AND PERHAPS EXECUTED FOR THEIR HIGH CRIMES AND WAR CRIMES—-SWEET JESUS ALMIGHTY, WHAT AN USELESS PAIR OF CRIMINAL FASCIST-NAZIS THESE TWO CREEPS ARE—–GET OUT THERE AND CATCH THESE TERRORISTS!!!! DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR A CHANGE INSTEAD OF LYING ALL THE TIME AND THINKING OF WAYS TO ENRICH YOUR CRIMINAL SELVES AND YOUR CRIMINAL CRONIES!!!!!
FRANKENCheney MEETS THE Wade-MAN!!!! YOUR EYES WILL NOT BELIEVE, YOUR SENSES WILL NOT DETECT, YOUR HEART WILL POUND IN YOUR CHEST AS THE DAMNING CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE TWO MONSTERS IS REVEALED!!!!! AMERICA, DON’T YOU DARE MISS THE TRUTH REVEALED ABOUT FRANKENCheney MEETS THE Wade-MAN!!!!! COMING SOON TO YOUR LOCAL CONGRESS-THEATRE!!!!!
THE GROWING CLIMATE DIVIDE IS PRIMARILY THE FAULT OF CHIMPya AND Bushland Uber Allies AND THEIR CRIMINAL SUPPORTERS LIKE Inhofe, Sensenbrenner, Crichton, ET CETERA AD NAUSEUM—-THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FROM EVERYTHING FROM CRAZY WEATHER WORLDWIDE TO MELTING POLAR ICE CAPS, POLAR BEARS AND OTHER ENDANGERED SPECIES IN DANGER OF EXTINCTION, MORE CASES OF INFECTIOUS BACTERIA, VIRUSES AND MOLDS ENDANGERING THE HEALTH OF MANKIND, OXYGEN BECOMING SCARCER, ULTRAVIOLET CANCER-CAUSING RADIATION FROM SUNLIGHT AND COSMIC RADIATION BOMBARDING US THROUGH HOLES IN THE OZONE LAYER, A MYRIAD OTHER ILLS, PAINS AND DANGERS TO MANKIND CAUSED BY THIS EVIL F*CK CHIMPya AND HIS EVIL MINIONS!!!!!
THE FIX IS IN AND DANGEROUS TERRORIST David Hicks IS GIVEN A MERE SLAP ON THE WRIST TO HELP STOOGE AND TOADY, THAT FOUR-EYED BALDING CREEP John Howard POLITICALLY WITHOUT A THOUGHT TO THE ETHICS, MORALS AND LAW INVOLVED IN THIS MESS, THIS BALLS-UP, THIS COCK-UP PERPETRATED BY CHIMPya, FRANKENCheney, Howard, Bushland Uber Allies, AND THEIR CRIMINAL, LAWLESS, ILLEGAL WAR-CRIMES MACHINATIONS TO PERVERT THE RULE OF LAW INTERNATIONALLY AND MAKE A MOCKERY OF JUSTICE!!!!!
SHIT ON YOU TOO, GOOGLE(tm) AND YA NERDY FOUNDERS!!!!!
April 2nd, 2007 at 5:30 pmKinda like eating for world hunger.
April 2nd, 2007 at 6:05 pmFor the second year in a row, President Bush will skip the tradition of throwing out the ceremonial first pitch in Washington’s baseball home opener. With Bush’s approval ratings stuck in the low 30s in recent polls, a White House spokeswoman “was asked whether the president feared he’d get booed. ‘No,’ she replied. ‘Certainly not.’†Last Opening Day, Cheney filled in for Bush and was peppered with loud boos.
More than likely it’s the Secret Service strongly advising that he not do this. Hard to control security at an event like that.
April 2nd, 2007 at 7:24 pm