FACT CHECK: Lawmakers Of Both Parties Have Condemned Iran’s Seizure Of British Sailors
FACT CHECK: Lawmakers Of Both Parties Have Condemned Iran’s Seizure Of British Sailors
The right wing has repeatedly criticized the congressional leadership for staying silent on Iran’s capture of British hostages. Last night on Fox News’s Hannity and Colmes, Newt Gingrich said that “it would be wonderful if people on the left would speak up,” and was “saddened” that “the Democrats in Congress [failed to] pass any resolution before they left town indicating how wrong this was.” Watch it:
Both Republicans and Democrats have condemned the hostage situation. The Senate agreed to, and passed, S. Res. 136, a resolution “expressing the sense of the Senate condemning the seizure by the Government of Iran of 15 British naval personnel in Iraqi territorial waters, and calling for their immediate, safe, and unconditional release.” The bill was sponsored by Republican Sen. Norm Coleman (MN) and had 22 co-sponsors — 11 of whom were Democrats. The list of Democratic co-sponsors:
Sen. Joe Biden (DE)
Sen. Ben Cardin (MD)
Sen. Bob Casey (PA)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (NY)
Sen. Chris Dodd (CT)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Sen. John Kerry (MA)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (MD)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Sen. John Rockefeller (WV)
Sen. Charles Schumer (NY)
Transcript:
GINGRICH: I’m very saddened that, on the left, all the people who have worried about terrorists in Guantanamo, I haven’t heard a single one of them talk about the degree to which the Iranians are breaking international law, violating the Geneva Convention, acting in ways that are clearly illegal. And this exploitation of these 15 hostages is clearly, fundamentally a violation of international law.
COLMES: President Gingrich, or, in this case, Speaker Gingrich would use this as a club to beat the left, because they don’t have the rhetoric that you feel matches the situation, so you want to make this a left-right division in this country?
GINGRICH: No. Wait a second, Alan. All I said is — and maybe you can prove me wrong; I’d be delighted — I’d love to have, you know, Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Harry Reid, various Democratic presidential candidates speaking emphatically about their commitment to the British, their alliance on the side of civilization, their opposition to hostage-taking.
I didn’t see the Democrats in Congress pass any resolution before they left town indicating how wrong this was. They’re very quick to attack the United States over how we deal with terrorists, but they don’t seem quite as quick…
(CROSSTALK)
COLMES: Who’s attacking the United States? Mr. Speaker, why use this at a time like this of international crisis to simply attack Democrats? It’s not an American issue, although they are our allies. We support the British. But why use this to be divisive in this country?
GINGRICH: I said it would be wonderful if people on the left would speak up. All the people who claim they care about international law, they care about obeying the rules of law, they care about treating people decently, here’s an opportunity for them to indicate their concern about Iran and the Iranian dictatorship. And I don’t sense any great outpouring of concern about how the Iranians deal with an American ally, even when it is in violation of international law.
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Only took them about ten days, that is pretty quick for the surrender lobby.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:52 pmHow about Pelosi, will she pass a bill condeming the kidnappings? oh wait, she is speaking to our enemies in Syria. Wearing a barka and conforming to their way of living.
I got news for thinkprogress.org…the Senate is NOT the the House….
I would hope you silly people of thinkprogress.org would be educated enough to know this.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:56 pmLet’s do to Newt what he’s doing to them and see how he likes it….
Newt – how many times did you cheat on a seriously ill spouse and then break it to her you wanted a divorce while she was lying in her hospital bed?
Oh wait – that’s the truth…
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:56 pmI didn’t realize Joe Lieberman was a Democrat.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmLieberman is not a Democrat.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmI see the neocons are REALLY feeling desperate – the trolls are out in full, nonsensical force today…
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmLiberals only want to condemn our great leader and his glorious war on Iraq.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:58 pmfacts!? what the hell are facts?!
and #2… what are you talking about. Not a single word in that post made any sence… not that I am suprised by this
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmAs a British subject (we aren’t citizens), I thank everyone in the US for your support on this issue. It’s much appreciated.
Cheers – if you make it over to the UK then the beers are on me.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmHow about Pelosi, will she pass a bill condeming the kidnappings?
Comment by Captain Kirk
She’s too busy getting bills passed that Americans need.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:00 pmWhat can one expect from this particular channel – nothing but infomercials for neocons to do their conning.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:01 pmMy God, do these morons ever bother to RESEARCH ANYTHING BEFORE THEY OPEN THIER STUPID PIE HOLES??????
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:01 pmI thought the British wanted the Yanks to keep their nose out of this. Besides, there’s breaking news about it if you go to . Why can’t the Yanks obey international law and set a good example?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmComment by Captain Kirk
Obviously you did not read the article, orit had too many big words in it for you to understand.
Check your local community college or High School for reading comprehension classes. You need to take one badly
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmCapt Jerk:
Ohhhh SCARY.. pass a bill condemning the Iranians, that’ll do a lot of good wont it? Haha..
And as some of us have learned from history, democracy is rarely installed at the end of the barrel of a gun, or point of the blade. So bravo for Nancy as well as republicans SPEAKING with Syria and Iran.
Look if a broken country like Iraq can break our military, just wait until we go to war with Iran. Hope you’re of draft age to go die for the war.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:03 pmIf not Blackwater is hiring, go die while getting paid more.
Congress – you remember Congress, Captian Kirk, right? You know, that word that is the subject in New Gingrich’s sentence – is not “the House,” either.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:05 pmNo more Newt,
No more Newt,
No more Newt,
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:06 pmonce a liar…
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmSorry about my post 13. Link should have read Botched US raid that lead to the hostage crisis.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmThese are the same idiots that carped on and on about the non-binding resolution opposing the surge.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:08 pmMar 29, 2007: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each representative’s position was not kept.
The surrender lobby didn’t even have the guts to go on the record. I bet Biden didn’t even vote for the bill he co-sponsored. He was probably adjusting his tupe when the vote was taken, Hillary was probably meeting with the Chi-Coms for some campaign cash and Kennedy was probably taking some co-ed for a ride.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:09 pm#19 Yes it is always America’s fault..yawwwwwwwnnnnn….
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:10 pmThis demagoguic adulteror has definitely lost touch with reality.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:12 pm“Nuke Newt” and the repuke Party while you’re at it.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:14 pmre: #12
My God, do these morons ever bother to RESEARCH ANYTHING BEFORE THEY OPEN THIER STUPID PIE HOLES??????
Comment by pete592
Well said, pete! I’ve had many discussions with hard core conservatives, and I’ve found that many times they do not research anything before commenting. In fact, I often cannot get them to research something DURING the discussion. In fact, after I research something during the discussion and present it to them complete with the source and context, they either refuse to read it or refuse to acknowledge it. It’s like having a discusion with a recorded message. Grr, argh.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:14 pmonce again, the Senate is NOT the House….
Pelosi is too busy sleeping with our enemy, wearing a barka and kissing our enemies behind….she cares so much about our troops that she rather visit our enemies than our troops.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm#12…Keep in mind who wtatches Fox New Channel. A good majority of the viewers still believe Saddam is alive and has WMD’s.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmInternational law, that’s rich. As in the UN? As in the Geneva conventions? As in the Kyoto-protocol? Why is this republican hack still taking the word ‘law’ in his mouth when his leader has broken almost any law, both written and unwritten, framing the world into an unforgivable war for private enrichment and, basically, taking mankind back a step or seven.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmwow patrick1, I usually don’t even respond to you, but when you make comments like #7, It really shows that
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmA:you are a complete moron
B:you are an oblious person
C: A and B
D:or maybe you feel really bad about what your father figure(Bush) has done to you, repeatedly raping your belief system, and are just confused into following in the abusive relationship….
Comment by Patrick1 — April 3, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
I’m not saying it’s America’s fault. Hell, for all I know the Marines could well have been in Iran’s territorial waters. After the last six years of this Government I have problems believing a word they say.
The jist of the article is that the actions taken by the US have upped the ante. This isn’t to say that this wouldn’t have happened anyway but it’s something worth considering.
Dismissing the comment as “it’s always America’s fault….yawwwwwwnnnn” suggests that you aren’t willing to consider the consequences of US foreign policy. The US does not operate in a vacuum.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:20 pm29. Doesn’t p1 write like a communist?
Let’s not get too upset with Newt. After all he doesn’t have a good understanding of congress.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Here’s a crazy thought Captain. Perhaps engaging with your “enemies” via diplomatic channels means that your troops won’t end up dead by having to go to war with them.
Would you rather posture like a big man and send young men and women to die or try and avert conflicts via diplomacy?
Remember, one is “glamorous” and has big explosions – just like a Lethal Weapon film!!! The other requires months or years of nuanced and delicate discussion. Bit slow and boring to be honest.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmI saw Joe Ciriccione (from Center for American Progress) this morning on Fox News. he certainly has a nice “made-for’TV” presence. I remember two things from the interview:
***He praised both the Iranians and Brits for seeking a non-confrontational solution. (That was great -BUT he did NOT condemn the hostage taking.)
***He praised GWB for apologizing to the Chinese when they held our spy plane for 11 days, and thought Britain might be examining the same solution.
(Joe, you reminded me of the kindly Ward Cleaver frm “Leave it to Beaver” fame. I was impressed with your even, measured tones. However, An adversary would not quake around you.)
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmWhy is it worth considering? Do you want to rationalize every behavior by the mullahs in Iran? I guess it was Jimmy Carter’s fault the hostages were taken. It was the Marines fault they were murdered…blah blah blah. The old lefty crap of moral equivilancy that we saw during the Cold War has returned and it is just as wrong now as it was then.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmre: #26
once again, the Senate is NOT the House….
Comment by Captain Kirk
Captain Quirk: Once and for all, Gingrich referred to “Congress.” The Senate is half of Congress. The Senate traditionally deals with foreign affairs much more than the House. Therefore, a resolution passed in the Senate about this foreign affair means Congress has acted on the matter. Now, grow up.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:26 pmUKBristolDave,
I am all for diplomacy with individuals and countries that are going to be fair and follow through.
I don’t think Syria falls into this category, they tend to murder the leaders of other country they disagree with, think lebanon.
Diplomacy is great when you are dealing with rational people. Neither Syria nor Iran are being led by rational groups.
Why doesn’t Pelosi go visit our troops in Kuwait? If she cares so much about our troops, why isn’t she going there?
Syria is a terrorist state and dealing with Syria is like dealing with the Devil, you need to sell your soul in the process. Not that Pelosi has one.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmCZ-1….
grow up? so half of the Democrats in Congress, (not even) condemned Iran, the other half decided to visit Iran’s buddy and wear barkas, right?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmGingrich is beginning pretty early for his “Bush’s failed Presidency is the fault of Democrats” campaign. Remind me again, why did Gingrich leave the House in disgrace?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:30 pm#26 Captain Kirk Why are you so worried about Nancy Pelois as Old Bushies sent FOUR Republicans over to Syria. What do you say about that jerk?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmValient nice moderated post. Good job.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmFor the sake of humanity, I hope the inbred trolls on display here don’t breed, the gene pool’s shallow enough already
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
“Syria is like dealing with the devil” – bit over the top perhaps?
So you’re saying that it’s pointless then? Hell, Saudi Arabia is a terrorist state but we still deal with them. What’s the difference?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmI’m very saddened that, on the left, all the people who have worried about terrorists in Guantanamo, I haven’t heard a single one of them talk about the degree to which the Iranians are breaking international law, violating the Geneva Convention, acting in ways that are clearly illegal. And this exploitation of these 15 hostages is clearly, fundamentally a violation of international law.
Not to worry Newt, we’ve been assured that the Iranians will only be interrogating the British prisoners with Justice Department-approved techniques.
…
It’s an extremely provocative move by the Iranians – mostly because western foreign policy is governed at the moment by an ability to overreact as fast and far as possible – but it does bring to the forefront the argument American POWs had with the Gonzales memo: The Geneva Convention is a two-way street.
Or as one friend of mine succinctly put it: “Even animals know better than to s*** where they eat.”
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmMary Poplins,
so what? two wrongs don’t make a right, right?
whether it is Old Bush, who was in power when? oh yeah back in 1991, or TODAY Pelosi visiting and eating with our enemy, it is wrong!!!
unlike you, I don’t see the world through Democrat vs. Republican….take off the partisan glasses, they only make you look like a fool.
nice try though… :)
If Democrats care so much about our troops, why hasn’t Pelosi bothered to visit them in the middle east?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmWhat about the arrogant and hypocritical Americans ? They kidnapped 5 Iranian officials in northern Iraq in January. Where’s the outrage?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmBut nothing about this?
Shouldn’t Congress be condemning the holding of hostages by Bush as well?
Why no loud condemnation from the Right about the use of black sites, extraordinary renditions, torture….oh, that’s right, they passed the Military Commission Act to make all that legal.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmI see it was all Fox could do to put even “Fmr” in front of “Speaker of the House” on the banner beneath Gingrich. I wouldn’t put it past them to eliminate it completely as a projection of their wishful thinking. I’m sure we all remember “Mark Foley (D)” and the even better “Libby not guilty” absurdities…
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmWhat do you say about that jerk?
he eats some more cheetos takes another swig of mountain dew then wipes the orange powder on his shirt. Then he starts thinking about the next outrageous dumb ass lie he can post to get an angry rise out of people and prevent them from discussing the real issue. In this case what a lying sack of dog choi gingrich is. It’s what they do. the wingnut bloggers put instructions on blogs for the ones to stupid to figure out on their own what to do.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmGINGRICH: I’m very saddened that, on the left, all the people who have worried about terrorists in Guantanamo, I haven’t heard a single one of them talk about the degree to which the Iranians are breaking international law, violating the Geneva Convention, acting in ways that are clearly illegal. And this exploitation of these 15 hostages is clearly, fundamentally a violation of international law.
For a minute there I thought Gingrich was talking about Israel……
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmDM,
the sad part is that you believe all the crap you just wrote.
typical moral equivilancy from the left…
sorry, Guantanamo is a four star hotel. Have you been there? have you seen with your own two eyes how the USA is treating these prisoners? or are you just regugitating what the left and the media has told you about Guantanamo and the prisoner treatment?
why don’t you get permission from the State Department and the armed forces, go visit the prison and hten come back to us.
in the mean time, stop repeating like a parrot the lies the left and the media are saying about Guantanamo.
we are treating our prisoners with a lot more respect than we treat prisoners that end up in our mainland prisons.
only a wacked partisan liberal would claim that Iran and the USA are treating their war prisoners the same way.
how truly sad that you think your country is capable of the lies that the left and the left wing media spew.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmComment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Do you know how little anyone cares what you think?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmJason Baddo,
are you kidding me? they were caught in foreign land helping our enemy….
that is NOT kidnapping. I would agree with you if we would have taken the Iranians from Iran, but guess what, we took them from Iraq!
see the difference? or are you so blinded by your hatred of the USA that you only see wrong from the USA….
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:41 pm35. Comment by CZ-1 — April 3, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
So nice of you to explain it to Capt. Queer. Do you think he’ll understand?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by Jason Baddo — April 3, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Not a problem. All Iran has to do is label them “non-combatants” and then they can do what the hell they want with them.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmOnly took them about ten days, that is pretty quick for the surrender lobby.
Comment by Patrick1
Yeh and to think it only took us and PNAC ten years to create a war plan that caused the Brits to be there in the first place.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmCapt Dumbass Jerk,
whether it is Old Bush, who was in power when? oh yeah back in 1991, or TODAY Pelosi visiting and eating with our enemy, it is wrong!!!
Umm I know you’re a little slow.. but it wasn’t in ‘91… It was just a few days ago..
H E R E I W I L L S P E A K S L O W F O R Y O U
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070402/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_pelosi_2
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmCK, you do realize there are Republicans on this latest trip don’t you? You also realize the ISG went to Syria while they were writing their report don’t you? The ISG is bipartisan. So is your outrage evenly placed or disproportinate to go against Pelosi?
Maybe I missed a post or two but you’ve got both barrels pointed at Pelosi but give others a free pass.
That type of outrage falls flat.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmAt least we know Keith Richards snorted his father, and the results of today’s Fox Snooze question:
Would you support any move by Congress to cut funding for our troops in Iraq?
That is a terrible poll question. Loaded with open-ended variables. Guess what the most popular answer was…
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
You do know that Republicans went to Syria this week too – you can read that much can’t you?
Since you are obviously a Republican, and don’t try that independent crap, why don’t you contact your House members and complain to them. THEY are YOUR representatives, Nancy is ours and we’re happy she went to Syria.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmI don’t pretend to know exactly what happened but how is it that the Britt’s are HOSTAGES when they in fact are prisoners?
What we see here is IRAQ all over again. Since officials have called them HOSTAGES over and over again that has become true for many. Next we will be shown photos of trucks suspected to be mobile bio-weapons stations.
If we catch people they go to prison till they are dealt with. We even take people from country A (like Iraq) and transport them to country B (like CUBA another mess we made) to ‘QUESTION’ them. So why can’t Iran bust people in and on their space and why are they Iranian HOSTAGES rather than PRISONERS. I know they are not guests!
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmCaptain Kaulk,
Repubs are over there visiting Syria too. You fell for the bullshit.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Why don’t you bother to use “the Google” before you post?
House Speaker Pelosi Visits Iraq
The Associated Press
Friday, January 26, 2007; 1:41 PM
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Looks like Newt the ADULTERER and RACIST CREEP is shooting off his loudmouth again—Daffy, could you help that CLOD Gingrich chase after his yapping maw–it’s running hogwild all over creation….STAMP! CRUSH! There, I STOMPED on Newt’s mouth…it’s quiet now…but NOT for long, I’m afraid…LYING, SWIFT-BOAT-SHIT-SMEARING ATTACKS AND CALUMNY WHICH ARE HYPOCRITICAL LIES—THAT’S WHAT Newt, WHICH IS A TYPE OF SALAMANDER, AN AMPHIBIAN THAT CREEPS UP FROM UNDER A ROCK IN THE SPRING. Wikipedia says that “Newts have the ability to regenrate limbs, eyes, spinal cords, hearts, intestines, and upper and lower jaws”–WELL, NOW THAT I KNOW THAT, I THINK I SHALL TEST THAT THEORY OUT—OH Gingrich, COULD I RIP OFF YOUR ARMS AND LEGS, GOUGE YOUR EYES OUT, SNAP YOUR SPINAL CORD, RIP YOUR HEART OUT WITH ME “BEAR” HANDS, PULL YOUR INTESTINES OUT AND RIP OUT YOUR UPPER AND LOWER VILE YAPPING JAWS? AFTER ALL, YOU CAN GROW THEM ALL BACK, CAN’T YA Newt? Newt? GEE, YOU’RE ALL IN PIECES!!!!! HAH!!!!!
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
The obvious question has to be what your thoughts were after visiting Guantanamo?
I’ve only had information from the media. As you’ve clearly been there, what was it like?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmViolating the Geneva Convention, -Newt
You know I as a GOPer hate the constitution, and the Geneva Convention as much as George does, but damn if it doesn’t come in handy when we need a hypocritical excuse, like when we used that fifth amendment that we so hate to protect Gonzo and his Patriotic hypocrisy.
Being a hypocrite is hard work right P1?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmFOX is able to pass itself off as legit because of traitor democrats who go on there. As a result? You get shit like this.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:48 pm#52 dumbass. america is the country illegally occupying another sovereign nation. See, they are whats know as brutal plunderers and colonialists.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmGingrich face-time with TV cameras is a sure sign that today’s GOP has nothing for America today so it’s time to recycle the losers from the past.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmLiberals only want to condemn our great leader and his glorious war on Iraq. Comment by Patrick1
Yeh liberals hate useless war. We need to start another glorious freedom operation and paint some more fingers purple while losing billions of our hard earned tax dollars to some purple fingered fascists!!
Good thing Bremer lost that 8 billion to help them people jump start their economy and promote freedom huh P1?
Dayum. I did it again.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmGuantanamo is a four star hotel. Have you been there? have you seen with your own two eyes how the USA is treating these prisoners?
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Have you been there. Have you seen it with your own eyes. Or have you been listening to Limbaugh again?
But do tell, when did you go and WHAT did you see?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:51 pm#46 Captain Kirk Are you stupid of something. I was talking about the IDIOT current OLD BUSHIES.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmJust let it out Raymond, don’t hold back.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmUKBristolDave,
thus I take it you believe everything that the BBC, and other news sources tell you, eh?
so you admit to have never stepped foot in Guantanamo, yet you are read to believe what the media tells you about the place…
here is a clue….don’t believe everything that you read, hear and see…
your bias against our current administrations is what makes you so willing to believe the lies being spewed by sites like thinkprogress.org, by “news” organizations like the BBC, etc, etc….yes, even Foxnews jumped on the bandwagon to report lies about Guantanamo.
Once again, Guantanamo is a four star hotel compare to the prisons in mainland USA, in Britian, etc, etc.
but left wing Americans and world wide, rather believe that the USA bad before believing that the media is selling them a bunch of crap.
The same media that pays Iran, Syria and terrorist in order to be able to get videos and “news” from them.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmGuantanamo is a four star hotel. Have you been there? have you seen with your own two eyes how the USA is treating these prisoners? or are you just regugitating what the left and the media has told you about Guantanamo and the prisoner treatment?
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Pardon me for asking, but have YOU been there? If not, what exactly are the sources for your information?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmThe logical assumption is that Kaptain Quirk appears not to have made it out of the last wormhole he encountered.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmWhy didn’t the brave Senate go on the record?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:54 pmSomething I,ve been meaning to ask. Why are we calling the British seamen taken by Iran “hostages” as opposed to “prisoners” as we call people we take, such as those Iranians?
DL
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmPelosi is too busy sleeping with our enemy, wearing a barka and kissing our enemies behind….she cares so much about our troops that she rather visit our enemies than our troops. Comment by Captain Kirk
Yeh, we need to send Pelosi over to Iraq like George did with a bunch of fake plastic turkeys and do some photo ops, that’ll show these dayum liberals a thing or two.
And we need to show her how to hold hands with a Saudi Prince so people can see it in the news and Laura can say. “How Sweet” of him to hold that Picnic table cloth headed guys hands.
Crapp. I’m so sorry, P1, CK
I did it again.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:56 pm#50. Guantanamo? Who said anything about Guantanamo? Sounds like a misdirection that Jake would use… but a prison is a prision, the Geneva Convention is the Geneva Convention, and a POW is a POW.
You either IS or you ISN’T.
You can’t use Guantanamo unless you want to use Abu Ghraib.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
So you have been to Guantanamo then? If not, then what are you basing your opinions on?
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmWhy didn’t the brave Senate go on the record?
Comment by Patrick1
Yeh why didnt they go on record like George and Dick when they did the 9/11 commission hearings? Or when Rove testifies…
Dayum, again.
I’m really trying P1, please tell IRI not to fire me. I will get better at this hypocrisy thing I swear.
It’s Bills Fault!!
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmunlike you, I don’t see the world through Democrat vs. Republican….take off the partisan glasses, they only make you look like a fool.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmnice try though… :)
If Democrats care so much about our troops, why hasn’t Pelosi bothered to visit them in the middle east?
Comment by Captain KirkOv — April 3, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Get some glasses because you can’t see at all!
BNF challenged you. Care to respond?
ForTruth and shane challenged you. Care to respond?
And care to respond to this…
What if the British soldiers actually were in Iranian waters? Prove to me they weren’t. If they were, what Iran did, was that illegal?
What if a Cuban naval ship was in our waters. What would we do?
#77 Something I,ve been meaning to ask. Why are we calling the British seamen taken by Iran “hostages†as opposed to “prisoners†as we call people we take, such as those Iranians?
Why do we call the guys in Iraq a less than noble term, “insurgents” but we used to refer to the mujadeen in Afganistan during the COld War as “freedom fighters”.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmDon’t believe anything a neutered grinch skaketh upon faux noise.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmLOOK AT MEEEEEE! I’M AN ATTENTION WHORE! I DON’T WANT TO DISCUSS FACTS! I WANT TO SPIN! LOOK AT ME GO! WEEEEEEEE! WEEEEEEE! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! DON’T LOOK OVER THERE! LOOK OVER HERE! WEEEEEE! WEEEEEEE!
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe logical assumption is that Kaptain Quirk appears not to have made it out of the last wormhole he encountered -Spock
Hey you Dayum Liberal don’t be making fun of Captain Kirks blow up doll, Wormhole, he’s got more morals than you in his right nut.
Heh, I told him off but good eh Captain?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
So far you have provided no evidence to back up your statements. As such, I could claim that the Chancellor of Germany is actually a trans-sexual called Pete.
You don’t believe me? It’s because you’re listening to media lies. German politics is packed full of trans-sexuals and cross dressers.
See, it’s easy isn’t I? I can say anything I want, as you don’t agree with what I’m saying I blame it on the media and your ignorance for swallowing the crap the left wing media tell you.
Incidentally, Norway is run by a cabal of witches. You won’t hear that in the mainstream press
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmLOOK AT MEEEEEE! I’M AN ATTENTION WHORE! I DON’T WANT TO DISCUSS FACTS! I WANT TO SPIN! LOOK AT ME GO! WEEEEEEEE! WEEEEEEE! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! DON’T LOOK OVER THERE! LOOK OVER HERE! WEEEEEE! WEEEEEEE!
Comment by Patrick1
Yeh FOX TV RULES!!! WE CAN SPIN!! SPIN FACTS!!
Oh wait we are talking about FOX aren’t we P1?
Crudd. I am so sorry.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmIf someone would present some facts I would be happy to discuss them.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:05 pm#51 – “Do you know how little anyone cares what you think?”
Comment by shane
If “anyone” refers to YOU – I could care less what you “think” – and even less of your opinion on any umber of topics. Really, shane, your opinion of me is none of my business.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmre: #37
grow up? so half of the Democrats in Congress, (not even) condemned Iran, the other half decided to visit Iran’s buddy and wear barkas, right?
Comment by Captain Kirk
Captain Quirk: You obviously have no respect for the American system of government. Why do you hate America? The full Senate, all members of all political parties, representing the full Congress and the American people, passed a resolution condemning the Iranian action. Your partisan bias and blind allegiance to party over country is shameful. Does your mom know what you’re up to?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmI’m still waiting to hear about Captain Kirk’s trip to Guantanamo.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmGuantanamo is a four star hotel. Have you been there? have you seen with your own two eyes how the USA is treating these prisoners? or are you just regugitating what the left and the media has told you about Guantanamo and the prisoner treatment?
Comment by Captain Kirk
Yeh that what FOX says!! And Rush TOO!! It’s a four star Hotel, Right Captain! Yeh see Captian has been there and he know what it’s like , Right Captain? Yeh Rush has been there to Commie Cuba with is Viagra!
You tell em about them 4 star meals and the ambience Captain!!
Go Captain!
Oops. My bad, Really.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmCaptain Kirk’s transponder only tunes in Fox News, Rush and the Press Secretary. Everything else anywhere in the world is leftist bullshit to him. It’s called blissful ignorance.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:08 pmIf someone would present some facts I would be happy to discuss them.
Comment by Patrick1
Yeh, someone present some facts cause me and my coworker P1 don’t have any until the Buckley Fax kicks in.
Yeh we showed them P1!
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmThat ol’ GOP selective memory. It’s almost an art form.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmIf Democrats care so much about our troops, why hasn’t Pelosi bothered to visit them in the middle east?
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
She has jack a$$-Pull your head out of your A$$.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmIf “anyone†refers to YOU – I could care less what you “think†– and even less of your opinion on any umber of topics. Really, shane, your opinion of me is none of my business.
Comment by valiant venus
Yeh lets go back to stornfront and listen to some opinions we care about!
Why are we here again?
Oh…dayum…sorry. =(
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmUKBristolDave,
Actually, you did what the media does….make up a bunch of lies and back them up with “informants” that they chose not to name…
good job, you are on your way to get a job with the propaganda machines known as the BBC, New York Times, CNN, Foxnews, etc, etc, etc….
and look, you didn’t have to waste tens of thousands of pounds getting a silly journalism degree.
good job guy.
so how do you want to me to back up what I am saying…telling you that I have been there? telling you that I have close family that have been stationed there? or maybe telling you that I have family in the Red Cross that has visited the prison and met with prisoners there?
how do you want me to do it….I know you aren’t going to believe anything that makes your world spin….you are only going to believe the BBC, New York Times, and other “news” sources that tell you Bush is bad, America is bad and the poor prisoners at Guantanamo are suffering.
so once again, why don’t you get off your lazy chair, stop typing ridiculous make no difference posts on this thread and get permission to visit Guantanamo. Then and only then you and I will be able to have an honest, respectful, well informed conversation. Until then you are just spewing out lies from the left. But you are too blind to see it, or don’t care to believe it. Either way, you come across as the typical liberal that spends too much time swallowing anything and everything that makes America, conservatives, Bush Republicans, etc look bad.
try to think on your own instead of repeating lies from the left. I know it is tough to do, and there will be horrific withdrawl symptoms but you can do it.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmCZ-1,
actually, if you knew American history, you would know that it is the House of Representative that represents more closely the American people. Go read the Constitution, a little bit of American history and you will be shocked to find out and learn that it is the House that more closely represents the people of America.
open up a book and while you are it, get an education.
you liberals make it to easy….
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmKaptain Quirk was accidently beamed into a Plymouth Valiant on Venus.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmShe has jack a$$-Pull your head out of your A$$.
Comment by Joefriday — April 3, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
JoeFriday,
like you, those that can’t think, and the uneducated ones just insult.
Anyone, one liberal here explain why if Pelosi cares so much about our troops, as she so often claims, why did she go visit our enemies, instead of visiting our troops……
anyone with an intelligent answer…or the best that you kids have is insults, hate and venom….
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmCaptain Kirk, you’re being very coy about your trip to Guantanamo. What will it take to get you to share your experiences there with us?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmopen up a book and while you are it, get an education.
you liberals make it to easy….
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
It’s so tempting…so tempting!
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:18 pmBob’s your uncle…
typo kid….here if it makes you happy…
you liberals make it too easy….
better for you son? doesn’t take way the fact that 99% of the Liberals that I have ever encountered are ill-informed and lack basic American history knowledge, basic math skills and basic knowledge on anything….
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:20 pmYeh McCain cares so much for our troops he took them shopping and bought some terririst rugs instead of hunting for terrirst!
Heh, I told em good that time huh Kirk?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:21 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Once again, what are you basing your opinions on? From what you’ve presented so far, they just seem to be made up in your head.
That’s OK, human nature suggests that we all need a little escape from reality. That’s why alcohol is so popular as it provides humans with a safe way to ignore reality for a few hours.
What are your sources Captain? What are you basing your opinions on?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:23 pmCaptain Kirk, you’re just teasing us now! Please–we want to hear about your trip to Guantanamo!! How did you get access??
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmbetter for you son? doesn’t take way the fact that 99% of the Liberals that I have ever encountered are ill-informed and lack basic American history knowledge, basic math skills and basic knowledge on anything….
Comment by Captain KirkMeoff — April 3, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmTell us once again about those partisan glasses making you look like a fool.
I must of missed that one
#46- “Shouldn’t Congress be condemning the holding of hostages by Bush as well?” – Comment by BnF
Congress members who actually know the facts probably will not condemn the holding of Iranian “hostages” who just happen to be members of the Revolutionary Guard. Being picked up in an Iraqi town (translation: they were on the wrong side of the borderina weapons manufacturing safe house.)
(Are you one of those moral equivocators who blame the Jews for Hitler’s “final solution”?)
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmOpen up a book and while you are it, get an education.
Comment by Captain Kirk
Yeh everybody knows Cuba has nothing but four star hotels, right Captain?
Yeh and that dang Pelosi didn’t even buy any terrorist rugs like McCain did!!
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmPelosi, Murtha Lead Congressional Delegation in Iraq, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. John Murtha, both vocal war critics, were in the Iraqi capital …
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247441,00.html
UKBristolDave,
i think I already told you, but as predicted, you have chosen to ignore them.
typical of a liberal, whether in the USA or in Britain, you liberals are all carbon copies of each other.
try to be original for once. the same old crap gets boring kids.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmre: #99
actually, if you knew American history, you would know that it is the House of Representative that represents more closely the American people.
Comment by Captain Kirk
Huh. Maybe you’re right. So, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi closely represents the American people. And Speaker Pelosi chose to go to Syria to have discussions with their leaders. So the American people wanted that to happpen. Why do you hate the American people? Why do you always blame America first? You right-wingers make it so easy.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmBnF – Are you disappointed Dems have not condemned the taking of Iranian “hostages”? Perhaps you should let your representatives in Congress know your sympathies.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:27 pmAnyone, one liberal here explain why if Pelosi cares so much about our troops, as she so often claims, why did she go visit our enemies, instead of visiting our troops……Captain
Yeh that Iraqi capital is full of our enemies in the FOX link I posted right Captain? Yeh see Nancy was visiting our enemies right Captain?
BTW aren’t you Independent and unbiased?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnyone, one liberal here explain why if Pelosi cares so much about our troops, as she so often claims, why did she go visit our enemies, instead of visiting our troops……
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Gee, “Captain”, whay are’t you condemning the REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION who visted Syria THIS PAST WEEKEND? Or the Republican who accompanied Speaker Pelosi to Syria this time? Or is your hypocrisy the only thing keeping you rooted in this reality?
Pelosi does care about the troops because she wants to GET THEM THE HELL OUT before more die. When you have to send wounded troops back into battle, when you have to send troops who have not had time to properly rest and retrain, and when you have to pull from every reserve list and National Guard unit in order to make the ends barely meet, you have a “broken” military.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Good point Captain, I won’t waste it on a journalism degree. I’ve already got a History degree, where one of the main things you learn is how to cut through the crap to get an answer objectively.
it’s all about suspending the ego. Give it a shot one time.
As a wise man once said – “When the facts change, so does my opinion”.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmOK, so now I’m beginning to think that Captain Kirk has never actually been to Guantanamo. And yet, he seems to possess such an intimate understanding of how it’s being run.
Curious….
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:30 pmTry to be original for once. the same old crap gets boring kids.
Comment by Captain Kirk
Yeh I used to wear Star Trek pajamas when I was a kid, I had the Captain Kirk Pajamas way back then.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:30 pmtypical of a liberal, whether in the USA or in Britain, you liberals are all carbon copies of each other.
Captain you know better than to assume don’t you? You told me not to assume!
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
You have provided a list of sources you don’t trust but have, at no time, given a list of sources you derive your opinions from.
If I’m wrong, please re-post the links and I’ll happily look at them.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:34 pm“What if the British soldiers actually were in Iranian waters? Prove to me they weren’t.”
Maybe you didn’t know (in your zeal to defend our enemies), you can’t prove a negative, dRx. Prove to me you didn’t beat your wife….
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:36 pmFirst of all, none of the Senators on your list up there are “on the left.”
Second, the resolution calls for the unconditional release of Iranian detainees? Does it also call for the unconditional release of Iranians detained by the US?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:37 pmBTW aren’t you Independent and unbiased?
Comment by Patrick3 — April 3, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
As much as he is charming and intelligent… LOL
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:37 pmBnF – Are you disappointed Dems have not condemned the taking of Iranian “hostagesâ€? Perhaps you should let your representatives in Congress know your sympathies.
Comment by valiant venus
How do you feel about collateral damage and the killing of innocent women and children have you called your Rep and let them know your sympathies?
Are you dissapointed that you haven’t killed more people with your party of life and freedom, have you?
Didn’t Saddam kill enough of these people we as conservatives are thei to free? Don’t you want to free these people from a Tyrannical dictator? Don’t you want a peaceful economic democratic Iraq?
Thats what George said he wanted, Right V V?? Purple fingers and a parade of flowers??
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmCZ-1,
like a good partisan liberal, you show your lack of education and logic….
sorry kid, Pelosi is going against the will of the people. She is visiting our enemy instead of visiting our troops. the majority of Americans, except the wacked out, looney left support our troops….so why is she doing the will of a minority of idiots, instead of the will of the people?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmABC: Iran added 1000 centrifuges
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by Patrick3 — April 3, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
The Captain is in attack mode. I asked him for the evidence that forms his opinions. As none have been forthcoming, he’s just having a pop at me. Never mind.
Cheers
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:39 pm…you liberals are all carbon copies of each other…
As opposed to the many and varied shades of conservatism around here…
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmCaptain Kirkin’ Off,
You’ve yet to acknowledge, in your non partisan ways, these 2 very important statements…
1) Nancy Pelosi did visit Iraq. You asked why she hadn’t. You are wrong.
2) A Republican delegation also visitied Syria, yet you haven’t attacked them like you have the Speaker of the House. Why?
OH, and what exaclty are the measurements for your partisan bifocals? I’m assuming -10.0 with a diameter leaning towards the right.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmso why is she doing the will of a minority of idiots, instead of the will of the people?
Comment by Captain Kirk
Umm the majority of the American “people” are against this debacle the 30% idiots call a ‘freedom operation’. Captain is your tri-corder fubarred?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:41 pmYou’re right! and Teddy Roosevelt was wrong!!
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:42 pmYou carry an big stick, but don’t walk softly, just beat the crap out of everything in sight! That’ll show’em.
the majority of Americans, except the wacked out, looney left support our troops -Captain
So keeping them there and extending there rotations, keeping them away from their families is supporting them? Not supplying enough body armor or armored vehicles is supporting them? Photo ops with plastic turkeys is supporting them? You with your 101st keyboard battalion of wordsmiths is supporting them?
Isn’t all of our tax dollars supporting them???
Why haven’t you joined so maybe one of them can come home?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:44 pmMaybe you didn’t know (in your zeal to defend our enemies),
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by mighty valiant venus aphrodite — April 3, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Hooked, lined, and sinkered!
Sometimes it’s so friggin’ easy!
Yet you never answered my question, what would we have done if a cuban military boat was practicing invasive actions on US waters?
Take your time in not responding, as you’re probably got your fingers down your throat hacking up you’re latest meal.
Next time, my I suggest syrup of ipecac.
Prove to me you didn’t beat your wife….
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Actually, he could prove that… Beatings are habitual and as a result, there would be hospital records, bruises, scars, and other evidence against him – such as his wife’s mental condition and esteem – and even witnesses. Crimes leave evidence… And sometimes you can prove that a charge is so unlikely as to be false… Not that I expect you to understand… You only care about irrelevent subjects and insane nonsense… But interesting that you’re trying to play rather than just bragging about your non-existent family and law career.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmAs someone who has helped take care of the child of a family member in Iraq, I’d like to know what specifically Captain Kirk has done to support the troops.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmAn adversary would not quake around you.)
Comment by valiant venus
And a anorexic woman driving around talking on a cell phone does?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmUK DAVE – Does your History degree and sense of moral equivalency allow you to understand why Germany bombed Britain during WWII? That pact Chamberlain made with ol’ Adolph sure was designed to ensure PEACE through diplomacy….WHAT happened?
Having been to Londonistan recently, it’s a shame the way your country has been overrun with enemy sympathizers. I’m surprised “sophisticated” Brits and French have not made greater overtures to help moderate Muslims assimilate a tad better…..
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:47 pm[...] Ignorant, or Just Plain Liar 3 04 2007 Can any leading Republican even recognize the truth any more? On Fox News, Newt Gingrich stated: “I didn’t see the Democrats in Congress pass [...]
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmPatrick3,
and you know I haven’t joined and that I wasn’t in Iraq because….??? lovely how you kids love to assume….keep on making an “arse” out of yourelf. It fits well with you being a wacked out liberal..
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmDo you Captain, Patrick1, or Valiant Venus pay Tax dollars like everyone here?
Do you get to decide that your Tax dollars are spent on War or Plastic Turkey’s?
Who supports the troops?
ALL OF US DO.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmActually, bulimics can invoke puking pretty easily. At first the fingers had to get it going, but over years of practice, they can just think of puking and they can puke. Seriously.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by Patrick3 — April 3, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
It seems that in the Captains world, supporting the troops means sending them off to die.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmtry to be original for once. the same old crap gets boring kids.
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
You mean like stating that Pelosi is visiting our enemy while ignoring the republicans doing the same thing over and over and over again.
Being original is for the Arts. I like facts. Getting the facts requires numerous sources. There are numerous sources stating that republicans were in Syria and that Pelosi visited the troops.
Give up.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:51 pmHowever, An adversary would not quake around you.)
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Only an incredibly tiny person would wish for such a thing…
I fing that respect gains me less classroom discipline problems than any amount of fear. When they cross the line, I let them have a voice and then I give a consquence that is fitting the behaviour. As a result, I rarely have to discipline my students, and they always apologize after they’ve cooled off – of their own volition. The exact same students have other teachers – one of them governs by fear. Not a day goes by that the don’t hate him to the degree that he is calling parents, sending two or three to the Principals office or writing them up.
Fear doesn’t work for long. Those who fear you will ultimately destroy you… Maybe explains why you’re such a wreck…
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:51 pmDRxJ,
you are so willing to believe the Iranians over our allies, eh? so typical of the left wing wackos….you rather believe the religious fundamentalist wackos ruling Iran.
I thought you liberals thought religion was evil and that religious people were wackos…
i guess you only believe that about Americans that are Christian, not about our enemies.
why do you believe Iran over the British? explain….
so typical of the left to trash
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:52 pmIt fits well with you being a wacked out liberal..
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I see you’ve learned to spell ‘wacked’ correctly. You’re welcome.
So, everyone here is a partisan liberal and you’re NOT a neocon troll? You might wanna check your home for lead or radon poisoning… Seriously…
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:55 pmHey you leave my conservative captain alone, he knows what he’s doing by creating privatization (which is really neo-liberalism) for war and profit.
Death for Oil!
Right Captain?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:55 pm#124 - “How do you feel about collateral damage and the killing of innocent women and children have you called your Rep and let them know your sympathies?” Comment by P3
You don’t seem well acquainted with history? As there has never been a war in recorded history without collateral damage, I feel fine. I do not wish for the innocent to die, but I accept certain realities of warfare. Grow up.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:55 pmGingrich is a fool.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmyou are so willing to believe the Iranians over our allies, eh? so typical of the left wing wackos….you rather believe the religious fundamentalist wackos ruling Iran.
Captain you forget that our friend Commie China gets it’s oil from Iran.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmYikes…
you don’t know how to read, eh? some typical, carbon copy liberal already cried to me about me supposedly not condemning Republicans that have or are visiting Syria….
try to learn how to read and comprehend before you make a buffoon out of yourself….
here to please the wacky left like you….
BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS THAT ARE VISITING OUR ENEMY, EATING WITH OUR ENEMY AND WEARING THE BARKAS DEMANDED BY OUR ENEMIES ARE WRONG!
good enough? now, Pelosi is the leader of the House, that means that regardless of party, she is the leader, the big cheese of every member of Congress…so, why doesn’t she lead by example and show the great support she has for our troops and visit them in the Middle East? why did she chose to visit our enemies instead of our troops? I thought she claim she supported our troops?
try to focus kids, right now we are talking about Pelosi, not Republicans….we’ll deal with Republicans later…..
answer the question, instead of answer questions with questions…
why won’t Pelosi visit our troops if she supposedly supports them? what is she afraid of?
do anyone of you partisan liberal hacks have the courage to answer this question? or are all of you too blinded by partisan politics?
c’mon kids, I am sure that there has to be one, at least one intelligent liberal amongst you….right?
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:56 pmEven Jon Stewart was waving around bunker buster bombs on TV suggesting that is what Iran had to look forwards to if President Bombsalot gets his way… and Iran was stupid for making it easy for him…
But lies are all these people know how to speak.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmI thought you liberals thought religion was evil and that religious people were wackos…i guess you only believe that about Americans that are Christian, not about our enemies.
All the religions you speak of are Abrahamic Captain. I am a Christian Captain just not a Orwellian Jesus for War one.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:58 pmso typical of the left to trash
Comment by Captain Kirkin’OFF — April 3, 2007 @ 5:52 p
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:59 pmYet you still have not acknowledged you were wrong.
typical
Yet you still haven’t answered the question
What would we do?
typical
Yet you bring nothing to the debate, except attack, attack, attack an opponent’s character, normally in broad generalization
typical
Yet instead of debating, you create a strawman to which you can easily defend, even if said strawman is completely bogus
typical
“Yet you never answered my question, what would we have done if a cuban military boat was practicing invasive actions on US waters?”
I apologize, dRxJ! I did not make it through the full measure of your lunacy.
RE: Cuban Naval ships – we most likely would have boarded and asked if any would like to defect from the repressive hell-hole known as Cuba. Just a guess….
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:59 pmI do not wish for the innocent to die, but I accept certain realities of warfare. Comment by valiant venus
But it was a Freedom Operation, Remember George Said so!! But if you wish for war do not you wish innocent people die?
Grow up you say? Yes when are Humans going to grow up and stop these wars that have gone for thousands of years?
Never has war brought world peace and never will it.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmI do not wish for the innocent to die, but I accept certain realities of warfare. Grow up.
Comment by valiant mightyless venus — April 3, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
You’ve just admitted you have no sympathy for the victims of 9/11!
Nice!
(see, even us left wing nutz can create strawmen, just like CapN KirkMeOff)
Toodles…..
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:03 pmwhy do you believe Iran over the British? explain….
so typical of the left to trash
Comment by Captain Kirk
It is common sense. Britian and America are not over there to be friends.. both Americans and British are probing Iran sending in special forces teams (according to our republican leaders)….
It is not a matter of belief. It was no big deal even if Britian did cross over. Iran is overacting their part. They are trying to make the world see that their territory is being violated by the west…. not shit? But what they really would like to do is catch a bunch of Americans deep inside their territory… but since they apparently cant they do this stupid stunt… not hard to see really.
Bush should stop all these détente games…act like a man… and go talk to the Iranians no BS… Just like Reagan did with the “Evil Empire”…
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:03 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Sheeet Captain, the population of the UK is so used to Blair spinning that right wing papers are suggesting he’s not telling the truth. The Mail on Sunday is a prime example.
Yes, we can still do that in our country without being labelled as terrorist sympathisers etc.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmwhy won’t Pelosi visit our troops if she supposedly supports them? what is she afraid of?
She did visit Baghdad, did you not see the link above? Aren’t our troops in control of Baghdad, where did George go? Baghdad? Where did McCain go? Baghdad? Where did Pelosi go? Baghdad?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:05 pmComment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You show up, write something negative about TP and yet you’re here. Isn’t there anyplace for you neocons to go where you’re wanted?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:05 pmI thought you liberals thought religion was evil and that religious people were wackos…i guess you only believe that about Americans that are Christian, not about our enemies.
OK…so are you saying we should be wanting to bomb American churchs and Iranian Mosques?
I think the left wants religious people to MIND THEIR OWN F%$^&* BUSINESS… get it?
No the Jews are not out to get Iran and no intelligent design and science are not the same thing.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmComment by unbelievable
Your statements are so stupidily BLACK & WHITE.
exh. #1 “Beatings are habitual and as a result, there would be hospital records, bruises, scars, and other evidence against him -”
FYI, NOT all beatings are habitual, not ALL women seek hospital treatment ….or report the beating to the authorities And even though sweeping statements become you….you knew that….
Responding any further to your tripe, replete with the most lazy critical analysis is to waste more of my time….
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmLook at the different time stamps:
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — April 3, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Anyone, one liberal here explain why if Pelosi cares so much about our troops, as she so often claims, why did she go visit our enemies, instead of visiting our troops……
anyone with an intelligent answer…or the best that you kids have is insults, hate and venom….
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Now, Captain Kirk, when you graduate from the 7th grade, you might be able to recognize intelligent answers. Thus far you have proved yourself incapable of doing so and come off like a whiney junior high brat. (I teach junior high, so I’m qualified to make that comparison.)
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmI thought you liberals thought religion was evil and that religious people were wackos…
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
We Liberals are not like you neocons… You can’t paint us all with the same broad brush. Some of us think that… while others of us are religious. The difference is that we collectively think about our decisions and choices and don’t just do whatever we’re told…
For an Independent, you sure act like an extreme rightwing neocon.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmBoy, who are these numbskulls named valiant venus and patrick1? They are clueless holdovers from the Cold War. Pelosi visited Iraq in late January. And those 5 Iranians were in Northern Iraq legitimately –with the full permission of the Iraqi government. That so-called ‘democratically’ elected Iraqi government Bush is so proud of. There has never been an accusation of a bomb factory or any terrorist activities except by idiots in the blogosphere.
I am amazed that America thinks they can discuss bombing Iran at a moment’s notice, position attack forces in the waters off her border, send special ops into her southern provinces, and then act all shocked and appalled if she responds to these provocations in any way. I’m sorry, but, if America were taunting Iran in a barroom, no one would blame Iran for taking a swing at his nose.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmIsn’t there anyplace for you neocons to go where you’re wanted?
Comment by shane — April 3, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Jail?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
We’re still waiting to hear about yout trip to Guantanamo. You’re the expert. What was it like.
Get a clue you big stupid piece of sh#t. Limbaugh and O’Reilly lie more than than even progressives can fathom out of you neocons.
So you didn’t see anything you’re lying about you just heard your leaders tell you its so.
Why don’t you just shut the f##k up until you can come up with any evidence for the lies you parroted about Guantanamo. We don’t owe you any explanations. You just showed us what a effing liar you are by saying nothing. Put up or shut up.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:12 pmThere is no way the we should expend any energy on helping the Brits. They were stupid enough to join Bush in getting into the Iraqi quagmire so let them figure out how to get out now.
I really do not think Iran acted improperly here; they seized foreign troops who are illegally occupying a neighboring country that had assumed the role of conducting border patrols. The Brits were being very provocative and deserved what they got.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmSo where’s Obama in that list?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmOK, so now I’m beginning to think that Captain Kirk has never actually been to Guantanamo. And yet, he seems to possess such an intimate understanding of how it’s being run.
Curious….
Comment by bob’s your uncle — April 3, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Gee I was beginning to think Captain Queer never made it out of his mom’s basement. His attitude will surely get his ass kicked if he ever walks outdoors without holding mommy’s hand.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmc’mon kids, I am sure that there has to be one, at least one intelligent liberal amongst you….right?
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
We all are “jason”-you’re back!-got your butt kicked and crawled under a rock. What are your great predicitions now? How was your trip to Cuba?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmThats what George said he wanted, Right V V?? Purple fingers and a parade of flowers??
Comment by Patrick3 — April 3, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
P3 you get veneal virus all excited when you talk about dead women and babies. That’s her specialty you know. Maybe she’ll start cracking her sick dead baby jokes now.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pmre: #125
sorry kid, Pelosi is going against the will of the people. She is visiting our enemy instead of visiting our troops. the majority of Americans, except the wacked out, looney left support our troops….so why is she doing the will of a minority of idiots, instead of the will of the people?
Comment by Captain Kirk
You live in a fact free world, Captain Quirk. What is your evidence supporting: “Pelosi is going against the will of the people.”? The evidence against your statement is that the Democrats were voted into a majority of the House and technical majority of the Senate in the last election. Public opinion polls show about 60% of the American people oppose the war in Iraq. You have no polling data supporting your statement. Your arguments are meaningless, unsupported drivel.
Only about 30% of the American people support Bush and his unjust, unnecessary, war-of-choice policy, but ALL ordinary Americans support the men and women of our armed forces. There is clear evidence that Bush and others in his administration DO NOT support the troops, as they are using them only as a tool of an unlawful, ineffective, harmful, pre-emptive war policy. They do not adequately plan for the conflict, do not provide adequate equipment and training, do not provide adequate medical services upon return, and they constantly use the troops as political props. They are driving our military into the ground while using up military equipment that will take years and billions to replace. They are effectively adding several dollars to the price of each gallon of gas while not demanding more fuel efficiency. They should be ashamed of themselves many times over.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:25 pmShane – Calling Captain Kirk Captain Queer – hmmm….. I don’t think you’ll be asked to be the Grand Marshal-ette in your local Gay Pride parade….
You’re in goood company – the Local Humanist Sociaety isn’t thrilled with the level of BLACK and WHIE thnking by our favourite school marm…. No plaques for her!!
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmComment by syvanen — April 3, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
C’mon syvanen, we’ve helped you guys out. What goes around comes around hey?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:28 pmlike a good partisan liberal, you show your lack of education and logic….
Comment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Yeah you’re the voice of education and logic. You don’t know how to use a shift key to make a capital letter and you think, contrary to all indications, that the 29% of true believers are the majority.
Just like you think you know what democrats want from the House Majority.
You wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you between the eyes. Normally I would say hit you in the nuts but obviously your nuts are between your eyes.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmShane – Calling Captain Kirk Captain Queer – hmmm….. I don’t think you’ll be asked to be the Grand Marshal-ette in your local Gay Pride parade….
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Holy Cow- MA and jason on the same thread on the same day. MA- go out and eat some carbs. MA why change screen names?-U R still a joke.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:45 pmCaptain Kirk: “Anyone, one liberal here explain why if Pelosi cares so much about our troops, as she so often claims, why did she go visit our enemies, instead of visiting our troops……
anyone with an intelligent answer…or the best that you kids have is insults, hate and venom…”
Sigh. Pelosi has visited the troops in Iraq and Afganistan on a number of occasions. I believe she’s been to Iraq three times, the last time being with Jack Murtha in late January. Pelosi has visited the troops more times than your cult leader, the cowboy without a horse.
Captain, do you make this stuff up as you go along. You’ve got a lot of anger against Pelosi, essentially for something which is not even remotely related to the truth. Where did you get the idea that Pelosi has never visited the troops. I suggest you reevaluate that news source.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmComment by Bluedog49 — April 3, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Blue, der captain is jason who is afraid and terrified of women. Regardless of its changing screen name , strong women causes it the shakes.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmJoe, evidently they erased my post. Strange. All I pointed out was that Pelosi had visited the troops on a number of occasions, the last time being in late January of this year. The Capt. somehow had gotten the impression that she hadn’t.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmJoewednesday – I’ve recounted the story twice on changing my screen name – maybe if you’d been out of jail, you could have read the whole sordid story…..
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 pmComment by Captain Kirk — April 3, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Wow Captain Jirkoff you are sounding more like Jake all the time.
I haven’t seen your fearless leader W over there holding hands with the troops. Why doesn’t he support the troops. Why is he taking a break in Texas instead of Iraq?
The war is his, the surge is his, the veto is his.
Why doesn’t he care about the troops enough to go visit them. It’s safe there. McCain just showed us.
You want a woman to go there but not your big macho Texan President.
Typical bullshitting lying neocon male. Captain Kirk my ass, more like Captain Underpants.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe Captain’s Log is loosing some consistency!
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:19 pmmaybe if you’d been out of jail, you could have read the whole sordid story…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Sorry, not in jail but in Cuba with Der captain/jason. It has been awhile.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 pmComment by UKBristolDave — April 3, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
It’s obvious both Captain Kirk and vv think they know more about your country than you do.
Hey they know more about every thing, didn’t you hear them tell us? It’s easy to understand why we get called “ugly Americans.”
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:29 pmComment by shane — April 3, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Mate, they are just a bunch of loud mouth without trousers no marks. I don’t think they reflect the US at all. The rest of the world hates the current US Government but love Americans.
Insane hey?
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmComment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Have you looked “queer” up in the dictionary?
1. Differing ffrom what is usual or ordinary; strange…
Can’t you homophobes think of anything besides gays? Stop projecting your small-minded, bigoted outlook where ever you go.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by UKBristolDave — April 3, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
Nevertheless, W is creating more terrorists every day.
Thanks for being so patient with us.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:51 pm“The right wing has repeatedly criticized the congressional leadership for staying silent on Iran’s capture of British hostages.
Armed forces CANNOT be considered ‘hostages.’ If they were captured, they are now POWs.
TP, please stop spreading rightwing terminology.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:51 pmI’ve recounted the story twice on changing my screen name – maybe if you’d been out of jail, you could have read the whole sordid story…..
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
VV, Did you also change your persona? Is there now a MR.VV? Are you still an attorney? Do you still hate Jimmy Carter? and why did you anyway? Are you allergic to peanuts? How many of your clients have been executed?
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmMigulgl zol er vern in a henglayhter, by tog zol er hengen, un bay nakht zol er brenen.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 pm#181 - “It’s obvious both Captain Kirk and vv think they know more about your country than you do.”
Shane – The typical “self-loathing” Amercan apologist…..And just as obvious, Dave thinks he knows everything about the US…..
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:15 pmShane – Get a room….
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmShane – Get a room….
Comment by valiant venus
Ew, stop thinking about Shane’s sex life. Why don’t you mind your own business? You know, practice what you preach….
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:21 pm#187 - ” VV, Did you also change your persona?”
Just the same ol’ me….
“Is there now a MR.VV?”
Same husband – now his name is Prince Valiant….
” Are you still an attorney?”
Yep….
“Do you still hate Jimmy Carter and why did you anyway?”
IF he has Alzheimers, then I have compassion for him….IF he has his mental faculties, then I despise him. He is a classic American apologist, he was a terribly WAEK and ineffective President and his is a raving anti-Semite.
“How many of your clients have been executed?”Comment by Joefriday
Thank God, none.
Hope this fills in your memeory gaps…..
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:27 pm#191
Yep, just as I thought. The Mighty Hag is still a liar.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pmShane – The typical “self-loathing†Amercan apologist…..And just as obvious, Dave thinks he knows everything about the US…..
Comment by valiant venus
How can you prove any of those opinions?
Do you have a crystal ball?
What makes you think your opinion holds truth?
If it does hold truth then you could easily prove it, correct?
I grow so weary of this world full of talking heads with their endless opinions and their wisdomless water color sets and their inane books on how to paint stupid opinions upon one another. How thru a monitor they ‘know’ everything about those they cannot see or know.
Explain to me V V how does reading a book or watching TV make an opinion hold truth?
Are all Republicans gay?
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:29 pmAre all Democrats libertine?
Are all neo-cons greedy pigs?
Are all talking heads drug addicts?
Are all Hollywood stars communists?
Are all lawyers ambulance chasers?
Are all blondes dumb?
Note to Dave – Your “mate” Shane is a female – her parents weren’t sure how to spell and they vaguely remembered an old Western from American Movie Classics. But that fawning all over might have been a dead giveaway.
Zoooey – Why aren’t I surprised…..claws and a twinge of jealousy….
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 pmShane – Get a room….
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
I have a husband here. You’re projecting..again.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 pmShane – The typical “self-loathing†Amercan apologist…
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
I was apologizing for you – how is that self-loathing? Of course loathing you and your kind is easy since you are desecrating everything good about this country.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmZoooey – Why aren’t I surprised…..claws and a twinge of jealousy….
Comment by valiant venus
Jealous? Of you?
Oh my f*cking god — excuse me while I go laugh my ass off, and then throw up my toenails — in that order.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 pmShane,
The Hagfish has no original thoughts. I’ve been calling her a self-loathing woman for a while now. *yawn*
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:38 pmComment by valiant venus #178
Hey vapid vagina,
I see Mr. Aphrodite is out on the town again…
…getting some REAL nooky…
…he doesn’t go for that frozen fish at home anymore huh?
…Why didn’t you answer my question the other night…
…you know the one regarding…
…defining what you meant by:
“libertine social agenda”
…cat got your keys…
…like it’s got your man?
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:38 pmLittle P3, trying to understand the universe….
Are all Republicans gay? No…..
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 pmAre all Democrats libertine? Depends……
Are all neo-cons greedy pigs? As Neo-con is a buzzword for Jews”…I doubt it….they avoid pigs….
Are all talking heads drug addicts? No….
Are all Hollywood stars communists?Only the majority…
Are all lawyers ambulance chasers?Only if their practice concentrates exclusively on personal injury or medical malpractice.
Are all blondes dumb? No. It depends whether they are born blonde…. or bottle blonde…..
Your “mate†Shane is a female – her parents weren’t sure how to spell
Comment by valiant venus — April 3, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Bitch you want to talk about my parents?
I was born the year before the movie came out and the movie is spelled the same so which is misspelled? I suppose your parents gave you your name you stupid shit.
You really don’t have to come to TP to get trashed. I’m pretty sure people despise you where ever you go. Of course getting trashed makes you feel at home but we’re not here to be your mother.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmAs Neo-con is a buzzword for Jewsâ€â€¦I doubt it….they avoid pigs….
Comment by valiant venus
A racist, too….
Certainly a well-rounded asinine cow, aren’t you?
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:44 pmZooey,
Just when you think vv can’t get any uglier she pulls a new low out of her ass.
She really is an over-achiever as far as pond scum goes.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:47 pmShane,
I’m beginning to think there is no “low” to which she will not go.
What goes around, comes around.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmAre all neo-cons greedy pigs? As Neo-con is a buzzword for Jewsâ€â€¦I doubt it….they avoid pigs….
Neo-cons is not a buzzword for Jews, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative
It is for a political movement not what you THOUGHT it meant.
As for the rest of the questions they are just opinions, there is no yes or no answer.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:59 pmIf Rudy, Newt or Fred wins the presidency…
…the White House is going to become an orgy den…
…Oh wait a minute…
…Jeff Gannon’s been going there rather regularly…
…so I guess it already is…
…cancel that…
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:08 pmAwwww, it appears our Mighty Hagfish has slimed her way out of the bucket.
Heh.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 pmWould someone beam Capt, Crunch er Kirk up, and take bozo the clown Patrick with him.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:35 pmComment by valiant venus
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:38 pmWell take your Neocon, drug addict, ambulance chasing, bleach blonde ass out of here.
It doesn’t matter to most Republicans if what Gingrich is saying is true. They truly believe–and I’m sure Gingrich believes–that liberals like the Iranian government, and they’re confused when liberals criticize it. Never mind that the Iranian government is a nutty right-wing theocracy that has much more in common with the Republican Party than the Democratic Party. Many Republicans have convinced themselves that liberals love anyone who’s a perceived enemy of the United States. Gingrich and his allies are totally delusional.
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:08 pmAwesome thread tonight folks. Venus is still pressing some major buttons here. I think she might have some psychic abilities or something. But she has tempered herself. You see I have to notice the smallest of improvements in behavior, and yeah, it’s pretty small.
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 pmOk Newt, how many bullets in your foot so far ? Isnt it hurting you ? Lets have a race between you and McCain and see who digs fast. But you have to let us know what stone do you want, coz you can dig it yourself but stone cannot be perched by you. Want any writings on it ? oh well take your time. Dont waste donor money ok ?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:02 amFor Truth – I only “press” those who have buttons instead of brains. I enjoy spirited political debate, but some people notice that those with opposing opinions are subject to ad hominem attacks. (Of course, such lack of cogent argument does not surprise me.) I find those simple insults an opportune moment for a bit of humour.
Tooodles…….
April 4th, 2007 at 12:19 am#200 – Fat Daddy- needs definitions provided….
“…defining what you meant by:
“libertine social agenda†”
1.) Minimizing the importance of fathers in the lives of their children.
2.) Minimizing the deteriment to children of all ages when illegitimacy became an accepted “norm”.
3.) Liberal hostility to traditional family.
4.) Acceptance and defense of feminine debasement by pornography and an EXTREMELY casual attitude about sex.
5.) Liberal sexualization of children. (Been to a mall lately?)
6.) Attacking national institutions such as loyalty, patriotism – and the determination to tear down national heroes.
7.) Medicalization of deviance and crime – leading to more deviance and crime.
8.) Casual acceptance of drug use.
9.) Lack of respect/manners in schools and social settings.
10.) Promotion of “victimhood” and the lessening of parental and personal responsibility.
11.) And the catch all mantra born in the 1960’s “if it feels good, do it”.
Next time ….crack open dictionary and look up “libertine”.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:04 amAh, Newt… Preaching to the choir, again. No *wonder* bush’s “uniterism” never took hold, what with the pap from Hannity&Colmes, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Fox, NYT, etc. that the brains of his patsies are washed with.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:05 amAccepting valiant venus’ challenge, I examined http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/libertine to discover these definitions:
1 usually disparaging : a freethinker especially in religious matters
2 : a person who is unrestrained by convention or morality; specifically : one leading a dissolute life
Certainly, this does not describe the “Republican Ideal”, even if it *does* seem to fit quite a number of their so-called “moral leaders”. Consider Mr. “When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible” Bush. All growed up now, but recklessly, perhaps even “unconstrained by convention or morality” he lied about the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein to propel the United States into its first Crusader War of Choice. How about another: Ted Haggard, President of the National Association of Evangelicals, Head of the New Life Church, and occasional spiritual adviser to our “uniter”… gay lust, meth user, lies to evade personal responsibility. Certainly is a “new kind of life”, this “libertineness”.
valiant venus: it’s clear from your list in #215 that you think the worst traits of poor and uneducated people are indeed defining characteristics and goals of Democratic, or “Liberal”, philosophy. Obviously, your response to intellectual challenge is specious rebuttal… was this reaction learned in a public, private, or parochial school?
I understand where you are coming from, though: Personal Responsibility. It’s axiomatic in Republican philosophy. And since Republican’s put so much faith in it, every one who falls a little too short is automatically disparaged… even those who are willing to forgive their shortcomings; even those who are willing to help. Yep, that’s those lamentable Democrats you decry. The ones who cherish personal responsibility, as you do, but also put a premium on Collective Responsibility as well. That is, Democrats (or Liberals, or Progressives) are willing to extend a hand to folks who lack the opportunities to acquire, value, and manage personal responsibility, not merely punish them for the sins of their fathers.
For all your personal responsibility, you seem unwilling to foster its growth in those who lacked your exposure to it. I guess that’s just your restraint imposed by convention, morality, brainwashing, or whatever you call it. Certainly not your “liberal education”… no, not YOU!
April 4th, 2007 at 2:10 am#214 You have just moved yourself from an annoyance to an irrelevance. That post was just idiotic.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:35 am#222 “valiant venus: it’s clear from your list in #215 that you think the worst traits of poor and uneducated people…”
Sorry to disappoint but many spoiled, wealthy people are guilty of libertine behaviours…does the names Paris Hilton, ring a bell? The difference – wealthy people throw money at their behaviour problems (i.e. throught PR firms, rehab, photo-ops, etc.) while the poor, lacking such resources fall deeper into societal backwaters…..
But lets examine a few of your specific examples:
GWB – “he lied about the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein to propel the United States into its first Crusader War of Choice.” Again, you fall into the liberal talking hole, failing to mention that the information of the day was readily agreed to and accepted by the previous administration and the majority of Western intelligence agencies.
Ted Haggard - This poor soul is a liar, a hypocrite, a pervert and a druggie. (Did I forget anything?) You are to be congratulated on noting his role as a libertine. He has sacrificed his family, his job, and his reputation on the altar of “ME,ME,ME…” Hopefully, he can change his life around and lead a productive life.
As there is always room for personal improvement and correcting rotten, stupid or selfish behaviour. That statement is neither liberal or conservative.
You say, “...every one who falls a little too short is automatically disparaged… even those who are willing to forgive their shortcomings; even those who are willing to help.” ” Disparaged” is an interesting choice of words. People should only be disparaged for being habitually stupid – as opposed to liberals encouraging and/or excusing bad behaviour. But let me say, many poor to middle class folks are wonderful, watchful parents who help mold mold terrific, responsible kids….
To be honest, it’s hard to remember a liberal Democrat “who cherish(es) personal responsibility, as you do,”….
“…but also put a premium on Collective Responsibility as well.” Dems do this well!! (I think it has to do with anything having to do with “Collective”.) I remember how sad I thought it was when the Bush administration wanted to encourage faith based organizations to assist underpriveleged areas…..and that “God-thing” got in the way of too many liberals. IF Dems are sincere in bolstering poor communities that factoid should mot have gotten in the way of community improvement.
I was lucky – my parents were loving, fair and strict. They thought kids made mistakes to learn from – not to become a road map for their lives….I believe while someone is still here they can change for the better and I am optimistic most people are good…
April 4th, 2007 at 11:44 amComment by valiant venus #220
vapid vagina,
Please provide Supreme Court or other federal court case files/examples…
…in “support of the Liberal Progressive left’s libertine social agenda”…
…defined as you mentioned above…
…otherwise you’re just “creating your own reality”…
…as right wing gutter trash are known to do…
…pretty much ALL of those “definitions” in post #220 are NOT supported by the courts system…
…they are a matter of individual personal choice…
…and actually get people IN trouble with the court system…
…so take your head out of your god Bushiva’s a*s and STOP stereotyping and being such a bi*ch…
…and maybe hubby’ll stay home for a change…
April 4th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI believe while someone is still here they can change for the better and I am optimistic most people are good…
Comment by valiant venus
We are. What happened to you, Hagfish?
April 4th, 2007 at 7:06 pmFat Daddy – I have taken my valuable time to educate you on aspects of a libertine social agenda – (YOU asked for clarification – I provided it.) (I further clarified shakespearespooch on several misconceptions.) Your request for Supreme Court cases to bolster my argument is another pathetic attempt on your part to shift the goal post. In conclusion, you may agree with the libertines, you may not. Regardless, the libertine agenda has had detrimental effects on our society, just as designed by social misfits.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:31 pmComment by valiant venus #227
virulent venereal (disease),
…are you familiar with the phrase…
…”starving the beast” …and which side of the political spectrum advocates such?
…please acknowledge with a description of what the phrase means to you…
…as well as by including an answer to the second part of the question…
April 5th, 2007 at 9:54 pmvaliant venus sure backed off the implication that “libertine behavior” was essentially a “liberal” trait. I was beginning to think you were wife_from_7th_heaven reborn.
That is until reading “IF Dems are sincere in bolstering poor communities that factoid (of faith-based government aid) should mot have gotten in the way of community improvement. Oh really? It’s the proposition that is all wrong: “Here’s some water, you thirsty man, just thank My God for giving it to you, and you can drink.” Shame on Bush (and you, too) for bundling government aid to the poor with strings of your mythology. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nothing wrong with churches collecting money from their patrons to redistribute in “God’s Name”; those dollars are donated voluntarily to “God” and “His” earthly representatives. It’s bad enough that my tax dollars are used to kill people in unjust warmongering… I really don’t want them attributed to “God”; not yours or anyone else’s.
Here’s some classic doublethink: “People should only be disparaged for being habitually stupid – as opposed to liberals encouraging and/or excusing bad behaviour.” So, “Liberals encourage bad behavior”, like being poor and needing a hand(?), yet “Conservative help is ‘noble’ since is comes direct from the ‘Hand of God’”. You got it all wrong valiant venus, liberals just think some folks have it rough because of the circumstances they were born into, chose to live, or where to work, etc., and need assistance from those of us who don’t have it so rough… liberals actually believe the concept of “equality for all”, and are willing to work toward that. After all, it wasn’t “conservatives” who freed the slaves, earned women suffrage, or fought for the independence of our nation. You mistake Liberal “assistance” for “encouragement”, and imply Conservatives actually care?… typical of cross-eyed conmen.
Oh, and then there’s this gem: “Again, you fall into the liberal talking hole, failing to mention that the information of the day [Bush's justification for invading Iraq] was readily agreed to and accepted by the previous administration and the majority of Western intelligence agencies.” Well, there you go again, singing the same old song about how “Bush knew this, Bush knew that, blah, blah, blah”. Bush was in a unique position to learn the facts where his predecessors merely had speculation. Bush had inspectors on the ground, and eyes in the sky and could have determined the truth about Iraq’s WMD if he hadn’t been lying about spoiling for a war in the first place. As the truth comes out, and as all but about 30% of Americans know by now, Bush was cherry-picking, exaggerating, even pressuring intel agents to provide evidence to fit his story and bury the facts that did not. Shame on you, valiant venus, your kind of apologetic attitude is what brought an imbecile (some say “monster”) to head our great country.
As you wrote, valiant venus, “People should only be disparaged for being habitually stupid.” Ok, then you understand why I, and a majority of others, disparage you.
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March 12th, 2009 at 4:23 pmShag Hairstyles and Haircuts…
shag hairstyle basically gotits name from the word “shaggy” since …once the hair is cutand layered it gives off a shaggy look. The shag hairstyle has always been apopular hairstyle, and there are plenty ofshag hairstyles to choose from…
April 13th, 2009 at 6:52 am