Special counsel needed for U.S. Attorney probe?
By on Apr 3rd, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Special counsel needed for U.S. Attorney probe?
Sens. Patrick Leahy and Sheldon Whitehouse sent a letter to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales today asking “whether a special counsel is necessary” to handle discussions between Capitol Hill and the Justice Department about White House liason Monica Goodling’s role in the firing of eight U.S Attorneys. Leahy and Whitehouse write that “the office of the Attorney General appears to be hopelessly conflicted” regarding Goodling. TPMmuckraker has more.
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It is off the front page with Pelosi’s ass kissing of fascists and Al Qaeda taking a pounding so Leaky Leahy is desperate to try to keep this thing alive. Bad news for terror means the left must look elsewhere to keep their dying hopes in 2008 alive.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:12 pmIMPEACH THEM ALL!
http://www.a28.org
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:15 pmWhen it first came out that Bush was illegally wire-tapping US citizens, the neocons cried “If you have nothing to hide, then why are you so resistent to comply?”
Monica Goodling – “If you have nothing to hide, then why are you so resistent to comply?”
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:15 pmI’m sure Bill Clinton is happy that the name Monica will no longer be synonymous with just his antics… :D
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:16 pmPatrick1 is funny!
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:16 pmBush has never illegally wired tapped U.S. citizens. I don’t count Dick Turban.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmBad news for terror means the left must look elsewhere to keep their dying hopes in 2008 alive.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 3, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Did you miss the front page news about Clinton and Edwards breaking the record for campaign contributions? People are practically throwing money at them for the 2008 race… Including Real Conservatives.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmPatrick’s #1 whine…”but…but…but Clinton and Pelosi!”
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmBush has never illegally wired tapped U.S. citizens. I don’t count Dick Turban.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 3, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Yes he has. It’s why we were so upset about it. And it’s why Congress pressured him to stop, so that he tried to get Abu to revise the law to allow him do it…
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmScared, Patrick?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pmFor the latest news, email archives, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents on the Bush DOJ prosecutor firings, see:
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pm“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents.”
Monica Too must be the walking equivalent of Dick Nixon’s tape recorder………….
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmPatrick1 needs ’special counsel’
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pmSpecial counsel needed for U.S. Attorney probe?
So what will they use to probe Gitmo Abu Gonzo? The Bright Metal HooBaJoob? Or something else? … and shouldn’t a doctor be the one to operate that special counsel probe?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pmPatrick1, as I’ve said many times, has no life. Hangs around TP because he loves to be “different.” Unfortunately he’s just like every other wacko loon neocon…just less articulate…if that’s possible.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pm#15 – s,
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pmThere is always jake. He has the vocabulary of a three year old and the intellect of a radish.
How is it that patrick1’s always quick to post? I believe he’s a masochist. He knows he’s going to get a beating from his shtick.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmCoach: I think we’d better let someone else be first, someone who’s good enough to hit the ball without striking out…
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:55 pmPatrick1: I don’t care! I wanna be first!
My first thought — Why the hell are they asking Gonzo!?
A mere formality, I’m sure….
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmFitz please…
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmPatrick1 is first because he wants to lay down his scent….put his marker on almost every post in order to set the tone. He thinks he owns the post this way. He either has no life and has learned he can feed here, is paid ( his employers should really check his work…sub standard), or he is just plain stupid. Either way, he wastes a lot of people’s time. We’re moving past the troll era…they just don’t pack the punch they used to. They just clutter things up. We need to get our country back and that means talking seriously with serious folks. The Patrick1s are passive agressive, disturbed children. Just like our present criminal “leaders.” I would just love to read an entire post where people just stepped around the little piles of troll shit and they were treated as invisible. It would be so nice. But people just seem to keep stepping in it.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmOther “piles”
Jake
Exley
Jason Hendler
jonny
I’m sure you can name the rest
Coach: I think we’d better let someone else be first, someone who’s good enough to hit the ball without striking out…
Patrick1: I don’t care! I wanna be first!
Comment by Raven — April 3, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Excellent assessment. And P1 is so “Little League” it all makes sense.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmWhere have you been today Zooey the trolls have been totally out of control.
Thank goodness you’re back!
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:09 pmZooey #19
They aren’t really asking Gonzo. They are “asking” him….if you get my drift. They are communicating that they know there is a conflict of interest and giving Gonzo a chance to stick his foot in it further ….challenging him to respond to that fact. IMO
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmIt sounds like they are giving him one last chance, by the courtesy of writing a letter directly, and asking his opinion.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:17 pmIf he chooses to blow them off one more time (again), it’s all over for Alberto.
Bush has never illegally wired tapped U.S. citizens. I don’t count Dick Turban.
Comment by Patrick1
I’m stunned that pattycakes can count at all. I bet he has to unzip his pants if he needs to count to 21…
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmI believe that only the Attorney General can appoint a Special Counsel since the law was allowed to expire. Does anyone here know if that is correct?
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:19 pmCan we just skip the Spec. Pros. and go straight to the impeachment hearings? We’ll get all the evidence we need there and save a boat load of money on another useless Repugniscum SP like Fitzgerald.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmI’m stunned that pattycakes can count at all. I bet he has to unzip his pants if he needs to count to 21…
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 3, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Actually that happens at 11…he needs serious help removing his shoes, so, 21 is really out of “reach.”
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 pmPatrick1 is first because he wants to lay down his scent….put his marker on almost every post in order to set the tone. He thinks he owns the post this way.
Comment @ 7:08 pm
Actually, from all the responses he has received, it’s as if he has been GIVEN the thread.
I’ll never understand this. It may be a bit of fun to play with the trolls, but it is most tedious to read through all the irrelevant trash.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmBad news for terror means the left must look elsewhere to keep their dying hopes in 2008 alive.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 3, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmpatrick, read that (almost a sentence) a few times. You are about as dumb a troll that has ever posted here. My guess is that you are a complete loser without any hope of a happy life. You deserve that.
But she’s a good “christian” girl. She went to Pat Robertson’s college. How could she possibly have become an obstruction to this investigation???? I know…she never had sex with that President, Mr Clinton. Thats whats confusing her.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:45 pmZooey…They have to ask Gitmo Al …its his department that sets up the Special Counsels. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house, huh?? Crooked bastards.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmThanks Ben Dover & S,
There must be some special recourse in this case, don’t you think? We simply cannot be at the mercy of Abu G’s department, if we’re trying to investigate the actions in that deprtment.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmBush lied again today about the Joint Chiefs wanting the surge; he’s been lying since day one of his presidency. IMPEACHMENT is the only response for a president who is a known liar!
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmGonzales, please stop making an ass of yourself and holding up America’s justice department to ridicule. Put America first for once. Resign already!
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:56 pmSince the DOJ is the department being investigated and one of it’s own is obstructing justice, then it would behoove Congress to seek remedy elsewhere. There’s something inherently wrong with this picture….asking the very ones being investigated to help with their own investigation. What the hell??
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:56 pmI’m stunned that pattycakes can count at all. I bet he has to unzip his pants if he needs to count to 21…
Comment by bob (not the hacker)
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:57 pmThen it would just be 21½.
I’m stunned that pattycakes can count at all. I bet he has to unzip his pants if he needs to count to 21…
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 3, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Sorry but I think that’s only 20.5, poor little peadick1.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmWe need…
…REGIME CHANGE….
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 pmNOT “Hopelessly conflicted,” DESPERATELY TRYING TO KEEP INCRIMINATING TESTIMONY WHICH CAN BRING Bushland Uber Allies CRASHING DOWN AROUND THEIR OWN HEADS FROM BEING BROUGHT OUT INTO THE OPEN SOUNDS MORE LIKE IT—HUGE CRUSHING FALLING OAKS FROM LITTLE ACORN-NUTS GROW, AND LITTLE LEAKS CAN BECOME TORRENT-FLOODS THAT CAN SINK SHIT-SHIPS OF STATE OR WASH AWAY ADMINISTRATIONS IN A DELUGE OF REVEALED WRONGDOINGS!!!!! HAH!
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmIn a Constitutional divorce…
…between the Executive and Legislative Branches…
…who gets custody of the military?
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:12 pmBe careful of what you ask for. Gonzales just might pick Tim Griffin, the new U.S. attorney in Arkansas to be the ’special’ prosecutor:
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Briseadh na Faire,
Is there a way around Abu G’s office to get a Special Prosecutor appointed?
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:24 pmwhat is involved in getting these guys tried in the Hague?
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 pmGermany is supposedly attempting to have charges brought against…
…Rumsfeld…
…perhaps if they’re successful it might inspire others…
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmIs there a way around Abu G’s office to get a Special Prosecutor appointed?
Comment by Zooey — April 3, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 pm
IMPEACHMENT
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire
Thanks. Silly me… :D
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmCan citizens of a country bring charges against the leaders of their own country in the hague? Or do the charges have to come from outside?
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:21 pm#
It is off the front page with Pelosi’s ass kissing of fascists and Al Qaeda taking a pounding so Leaky Leahy is desperate to try to keep this thing alive. Bad news for terror means the left must look elsewhere to keep their dying hopes in 2008 alive.
Comment by Patrick1 — April 3, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Jeez, Patrick1. Could you be any more obvious you are a paid RNC plant? First on almost every string? You just sit around and wait to pounce like a spider? My advice to you: you can’t take it ($$$) with you, and the (spiritual) treasure you lay up on earth (while you are in that state) is the only thing you will take with you. Time to evolve, my friend.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmThere must be some special recourse in this case, don’t you think? We simply cannot be at the mercy of Abu G’s department, if we’re trying to investigate the actions in that deprtment.
Comment by Zooey — April 3, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Precisely what this administration wanted to set up. Including the Supremes. This is a dictatorship, disguised as happening under a democratic process. Same thing happened in Germany in the 30’s. Our only hope now is the Congress. If they fail, we are looking at some very bad choices. Civil war, maybe revolution. Keep your eye on Blackwater and the other privitized military. Let’s hope that sanity takes hold, and that Republicans in the Congress start waking up (pushed by their constitutents).
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:37 pmWell , I just fell apart at a town meeting with doc Hastings , who when asked about habeas corpus rights told the audience that there was never any law passed that gives the executive the right to waive this constitutionally guaranteed right for an American citizen.
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 pmHe began to explain to the audience that Habeas corpus is a right unique to America .Has doc ever been to another country ? Does he believe people are arrested with out charges in most other countries other than the United States ?
A this point I spoke like an angry idiot and said that was untrue and apparently I knew more of whats going on in the American government than he does .
I asked what his thoughts were on Black water ,a mercenary army based in Virginia receiving billions of dollars in contracts and being represented by Kenneth Star and the presidents general counsel Fred Fielding ,or about the government spying on 100’s of 1000’s of its own citizens and perhaps he could also say a few words on the legal arguments for torture ?
Mr Hasting , our man on the senate ethics committee replied that we must respectfully disagree .I replied that I was amazed that there was not more outrage present and that the federal government seems to have broken down entirely , and that I couldn’t stand any more of the dog and pony show that was his town meeting and left !
Any one care to write doc hasting and clear up this little misunderstanding about habeas corpus and express a little outrage on my behalf ?
# 52 That is……. X chairman of the house ethics committee and representative from washington state . Sorry for the mistake and the lack of articulateness of my outrage .
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmOne of the many problems with the good ol’ boys in Washington is that they think only real terrorists from foreign lands are subjected to the suspension of Habeus Corpus. They don’t see the potential for a long term problem with that. The door has been opened.
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 pmfreeman,
Wow, that was cool. Good for you.
“If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.”
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:16 pm–dunno who said it
probably some one in jail !
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmDon’t worry he assured everyone that it can all be solved by another big tax break for the rich !
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:22 pmfreeman that took some guts.
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:29 pmThe International Court of Justice at the Peace Palace in The Hague hears disputes between Nations.
As regards the International Criminal Court in The Hague:
The Rome Statute created the ICC. “The Rome Statute is an international treaty, binding only on those States which formally express their consent to be bound by its provisions. ” The United States is not a party to the Rome Statute. That means no citizen of the United States can be tried under the International Criminal Court.
Either a separate tribunal, like the ones for war crimes in the Former Republic of Yugoslavia and Rwanda, or a country such as Germany exerting Universal Jurisdiction for war crimes, could convene a tribunal to try members of the Bush Administration. The rules of the court for an international tribunal would determine if a U.S. citizen could file charges. The same goes for the tribunals in Germany (where at least one petition has been filed against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld).
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 pmFifth Amendment – Bill of Rights: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Note that there are two clauses here. The first, related to capital punishment, is that only in certain cases arising in the land or naval forces (Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force) or in the Militia (national guard) during war time, can a waiver be allowed to the right to a presentament and/or indictment from a Grand Jury. In fact, the referent (for whom Habeus Corpus can be waived) is a member of the Armed Services, regular or militia. NOT any other citizen or non-citizen of the U.S. The part of the second clause that includes reference to due process, uses the phrase, “nor shall any person be deprived…” So it’s not just simply an American citizen who has a right to H.C., but ALL who are being judged…citizen, legal or non-legal resident, detainee. As I’ve said before, what a government can do to their “enemy,” they can also do to their own citizens. Slipperly slope.
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:49 pmComment by Impeachcheneythenbush — April 3, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Yet Bush was able to hold Padilla for some 3 years without charges, and only finally filed charges in order to moot his Habeas Corpus claim before the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court allowed the claim to be mooted, which means that Bush can do the same thing to any of us.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:10 amfreeman,
Wow, that was cool. Good for you.
“If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.â€
–dunno who said it
Comment by Zooey — April 3, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Good for you freeman
And if you’re looking for somebody else outraged you should watch Rosie O’Donnell on the view because she seems to be speaking out just like freeman.
She is catching nothing but grief but personally I think she is acting heroic just like freeman.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:13 amA cake with a file is all I ask for in thanks……Oh ……and boycott EXXON .
April 4th, 2007 at 12:16 amShe is catching nothing but grief but personally I think she is acting heroic just like freeman.
Comment by shane
I usually can’t stand Rosie, but it sounds like she’s doing well right now. Since I don’t have televison, I’ll see if I can find something online.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:18 amA cake with a file is all I ask for in thanks……Oh ……and boycott EXXON .
Comment by freeman
Hell, I’ll throw in 2 files. :D
And HELL YEAH, I’ve been boycotting Exxon since Exxon Valdez. Wankers.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:19 amWatch what you say ,they’ll be calling you a radical , a liberal , a fanatical criminal .
April 4th, 2007 at 12:21 amBetter sign up your name you can be so respectable ,dependable ,oh presentable ……A VEGETABLE !
SUpertramp breakfast in America
umm, didn’t you used to be a legal secretary? Exactly what type of files were you going to throw in? They wouldn’t, by chance, include briefs, would they?
;-)
April 4th, 2007 at 1:10 amI wear hanes if thats any help ?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:12 amwhen they come to arrest me , do you think it will be a federal agency or a contracted intelligence services employee from black water ?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:15 amANy thoughts ?
A special counsel would probably be the way to go if they wanted to delve into the RNC emails. I don’t see how else truely private emails could be protected. As much as I dislike the RNC, I still believe their privacy rights should be protected (even if they themselves don’t believe the right exists).
April 4th, 2007 at 9:11 amWhy is Goodling still on the federal payroll? She took an indefinite PAID leave of absence. So, not only does she refuse to be held accountable but she is getting paid for it. By the American taxpayer…
What’s wrong with this picture?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI want to know who is paying for Goodling’s big time lawyer.
And let me just say this. It had better not be me because, as a taxpayer, I have a $Trillion war to pay for and I’m tapped out.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmumm, didn’t you used to be a legal secretary? Exactly what type of files were you going to throw in? They wouldn’t, by chance, include briefs, would they?
;-)
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire
I would have gladly given him ALL of my files. :D
He’s on his own for his briefs. As you know, briefs are too frickin’ huge to fit in a cake.
April 4th, 2007 at 8:40 pm