‘The secret war against Iran.’
By on Apr 3rd, 2007 at 5:42 pm
‘The secret war against Iran.’
ABC News reports, “A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005… The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran. It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.”
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In 15-20 years we will be fighting Jundulla and taking out thier dictator which we brought to power.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmSo the U.S. is a state sponsor of terrorism.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmevery time we try this sort of thing it fails.
It fails miserably!
Some one tell me one instance in modern history where secretly funding a guerilla malitia, or funding a coup has ended in anything other than a bloody horrible mess and a stain upon humanity.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:53 pm“Meet the new boss….same as the old boss.”
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:54 pm#3.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmNowadays, it’s not a failure.
It’s called conflict capitalism.
Anything to continually fuel the weapons industries and the conquest of natural resources, regardless of the toll of human suffering, is the game plan.
The Brits, the Dutch, the French and the Americans have all been meddling in the internal affairs of Iran and Iran since the end of WW I. The imperial western powers have been stealing oil from the Middle East for the last eighty five years or so. In 1953, the Brits and the US overthrow the elected democratic government in Iran and replaced it with the vicious dictator, The Shah of Iran (at the request of the British Petroleum Co (BP).
This is just the most recent chapter of U. S. and British aggression…
Are Iranian ships in the English Channel? I don’t thnk so… Are Iranian ships in the Gulf of Mexico. Nooo… Are Iranian vessels sailing up the Potamoc Bay towards Washington,
DC? No.
US and Britain should get out of the Middle East, now, unconditionally…
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:58 pmAnd the damn neocon trolls here still can’t figure out why people in other countries hate Americans.
It has nothing to do with our freedoms.
It is all about the United States meddling in other countries and supporting terrorists.
April 3rd, 2007 at 5:59 pmYup, sounds like state-sponsored terrorism to me. Now will Bush and the Republics have the guts to declare war on America for this?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:01 pmSo let me get this right, Bush gives himself the right to use any tribe, or terrorist group, such as the MEK, to covertly attack Iran, in addition to using the Ethiopian army, assisted by the U.S. military to attack Somalia, for the last several weeks, killing hundreds so far and those that are lucky enough to escape the bloodshed in Mogadishu, will fall into the hands of some warlord or corrupt military working with the cIA, and handed over to the U.S. to be kidnapped and thrown into some secret prison, as reported by Greg Floyd.com & others.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmGeorge bush needs to be impeached and charged with WAR CRIMES.
In 15-20 years we will be fighting Jundulla and taking out thier dictator which we brought to power.
Comment by ForTruth — April 3, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
You know the US Government’s definition of insanity all too well…
I worry that they are about to wake something they don’t see – something Chinese-Russian in nature…
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:05 pmGuess its not a secret now. But how about some news to drive the moonbats here and their mullah friends nuts!
Bush success vs. al Qaeda breeds long-term worries By David Morgan
Tue Apr 3, 10:37 AM ET
President George W. Bush’s administration has crippled al Qaeda’s ability to carry out major attacks on U.S. soil but at a political and economic cost that could leave the country more vulnerable in years to come, experts say
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmAnd this is a bad thing how? I know Nancy Pelosi will be mad, she will be losing a major source of her headwear, but other than that?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmSince we were attacked four times in the 1990s leading to the mass murder of September 11, Clinton must have really pissed the towel heads off…but I’m wondering how?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmOne of those “experts” is Michael Scheuer, who was last seen describing the Holocaust Museum as part of a Jewish conspiracy to control America:
“Look at al Qaeda’s plans,” said Michael Scheuer, who once led the CIA team devoted to finding al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. “They’re very simply defined in two phrases: spread out America’s forces and bleed the United States to bankruptcy. I’d argue America has been under attack successfully every day since 9/11 from that perspective.
“If you’re looking at it from the cave, or wherever al Qaeda is hiding at the moment, you have to be pretty happy with the way the world is moving,” he said.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmComment by Patrick1
Did you have a major head injury or do you come by this stupidity of yours naturally ?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmNo Joke the war starts on the 6th while congress are home
1/ on the 7th April Iran starts processing Uranium
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:17 pm2/ Blair says we have 48 hours to get soldiers back
3/ Russia saying theres a build up of US troops
Like I said, the neocon trolls can’t figure out why people in other countries hate us and it is quite apparent to us.
Does Patrick1 refer to the people in Africa as ni***rs also?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmPatricks #1 whine…”but…but…but Pelosi and Clinton!”
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmThis is nothing new or secret, much less an ABC exclusive, but it is ASTOUNDING that a MSM outlet like ABC is finally reporting it.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmMy favorite, though, is the closing quote in the piece:
IntelCenter chief executive Ben Venzke said the chance of an al Qaeda attack on U.S. soil has grown based on the militant network’s increasing references to the American homeland in public messages.
“Our leading thinking is that we are closer now to an attempt at a major attack in the United States than at any point since 9/11,” Venzke said.
There is no denying Venzke is right. If an al Qaeda attack is in the future, then it is closer now than at any point since 9/11. Venzke has stumbled onto something profound: the linear and sequential nature of time.
There are other disturbing implications as well. If you survived 9/11–and this is true no matter who you are–you are more than five years closer to death now than you were then. Reuters should look into this aspect of the story. No doubt they can find some experts to explain that it’s President Bush’s fault.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:18 pm#6. Please remember the coup was a response to a law nationalizing the Iranian oil industy and denying Anglo-Iranian oil company, now BP, access to and the profits from Iranian oil. After the US coup installing the Shah, US oil companies received 40% of the oil rights, British companies 40% and 20% for other companies.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:19 pmLogically if they hate us and attacked us several times before September 11, 2001 (with no response I might add) then someone way back when upset these fascist butchers greatly. If it were not Clinton then whom? And if someone prior did it why did Clinton not use his great diplomatic skills to make Osama happy?
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 pmThe botched US raid that led to the hostage crisis
The attempt by the US to seize the two high-ranking Iranian security officers openly meeting with Iraqi leaders is somewhat as if Iran had tried to kidnap the heads of the CIA and MI6 while they were on an official visit to a country neighbouring Iran, such as Pakistan or Afghanistan. There is no doubt that Iran believes that Mr Jafari and Mr Frouzanda were targeted by the Americans.
For more than a year the US and its allies have been trying to put pressure on Iran. Security sources in Iraqi Kurdistan have long said that the US is backing Iranian Kurdish guerrillas in Iran. The US is also reportedly backing Sunni Arab dissidents in Khuzestan in southern Iran
And now the Jundullah
WHATS GOING ON HERE IS BUSH A HYPOCYTE – You seriously have to do something about the worlds biggest terorist – Its No Friggin Joke
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 pmhttp://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2414760.ece
the link
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pmMe thinks it has started. I would’nt be surprised if there is’nt special forces units on the ground right now. Along with all the spooks. Here we go again, but wait… they have oil
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:23 pmAhhh…TT blames America and not the mullahs, shocking!
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:23 pmComment by Patrick1
Quit plagerizing and provide a link to your sources, dimwit.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmAwesome. No better way to gain legitimacy on the issue of fighting terrorism than secretly aiding it. Oh, but it’s ok we it to them cuz we don’t like them.
*Brushes off hands*
All clean. :)
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pmPatrick1 and Jake –
you are both perfect examples of a disgrace to your Country
please feel free to eat 100 magic mushrooms and have a bad trip
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmComment by Patrick1 — April 3, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Valid point Patrick. It was Bush who withdrew troops from Saudi, as per bin Ladens requests, and not Clinton.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 pmThat’s old news as it was reported in overseas new media a long time ago. The US is also working with militants in Africa to make sure the criminals have enough guns with the hope that this group would over take the current leaders. The White House is funding alot of secret groups in hopes of as Bush said controlling the world. Bush has put money into criminals in hopes they take his orders once they get control. Now he’s cornered because he has to pay the money promised or like the Mob he’ll be swimming with the fishes. Cheney will have then that heart problem and clot in the leg if that rubber stamp money isn’t given on time. Now Bush is paying on honest Generals who told the truth now their paid to lie. Bush is in big trouble. If Congress blocks the money after his veto he will brake the law and just take the money without approval if necessary.
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pmToby and Wayne; Way to bash those guys! That always fosters great debate…I bet they disagree with the way you cook, do laundry, and raise your children as well…those free thinking bastards should pay!
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmDoes Patrick1 actually think this is good news?
I mean really, does he think this is a good thing?
I don’t see one good thing about this post of his. I guess there is al Qaida can’t attack the US. Of course, the rest of the sentence isn’t there. It should read “al Qaida can’t attck the US, right now”
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmPatrick demonstrates the sociopathic neocon tendency to use “situational ethics”:
“And this is a bad thing how?”
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:56 pmRestisting War Mongers: Submitted by David Swanson
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/20864
ps….trolls are so yesterday—don’t respond to them …it’s what the eat
April 3rd, 2007 at 6:57 pmIs it just me, or does PatrickStar seem worried?
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pm[...] (ht: thinkprogress) [...]
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmComment by Craig mack
Another room temperature IQ troll, I see.
If you wish to defend patrick1, the plagerizer, cut & paste master and proven bigot then in the imortal words of Darth Cheney, “F*ck you”
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Does Patrick1 actually think this is good news?
I mean really, does he think this is a good thing?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Patrick1 never reads his cut and paste crap from redstate and other reich-wing goon sites, muchless have comprehension of what he pastes.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmGoogle “Jundullah” and you’ll see it widely described as a front group for al-Qaeda.
Here I’ve been wondering why we couldn’t find Osama…
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:19 pmTHe Bush Cabal has been working all the angles to start a war with Iran. Here’s more proof.
US’s Bungled Plan to Kidnap Iran’s Top Spook Prompted Hostage Taking
By PATRICK COCKBURN
Arbil, Iraq.
A failed US attempt to abduct two senior Iranian security officers on an official visit to northern Iraq was the starting pistol for a crisis that ten weeks later led to Iranians seizing 15 British sailors and marines.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmnothing like flowing arms to shady pakistani groups. hey, if that sits well with the trolls, then that tells you a lot. kind of like when musharaf signed a truce with the tribes in the frontier provinces and they didn’t say anything. or like when the i.s.g. said that saudis were flowing money to the sunni insurgents in iraq and they didn’t say anything.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:30 pmABC News might be getting their teeth back after realizing their complacency after 2001 might put them out of business, along with the rest of the MSM.
Won’t hold my breath tough.
April 3rd, 2007 at 7:43 pmJUNDULLAH–THE NEW al-Qaeda—COMING SOON TO YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!!! U.S. SPONSORED TERRORISTS FAILURE AND COCK-UP AND BALLS-UP, i.e., TOTAL FAILURE WHICH WILL RESULT IN ANOTHER ENEMY WE HAVE CREATED WITH “OUR OWN WITTLE HANDS”—TALK ABOUT NOT LEARNING FROM OUR MISTAKES AND DOOMED TO REPEAT HISTORY WE HAVE NOT LEARNED FROM PREVIOUS MISTAKES AND COLOSSAL JUDGEMENT ERRORS!!!!! GOOD GOING, Bushland Uber Allies AND COVERT OPERATIONS SPOOKS, YA BUNCH OF TOTAL F*CK-UPS!!!!!
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmAnd somewhere in their ranks is a tall young man with CIA training and dreams bigger that a simple conflict, who will one day grow up to be the next Osama bin Ladin…
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 pmWhat #42 DM said.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe world won’tbe willing to put up with Bushiva, L’il Dick’s and the Repulsivescum hegemony…
…for much longer…
…they are a danger to world peace and stability…
…the world will be better without them…
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmHey, Exley, I am against terrorism.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Anything to continually fuel the weapons industries and the conquest of natural resources, regardless of the toll of human suffering, is the game plan.
Comment by Raven
You, Sir, have won the cigar.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmYou, Sir, have won the cigar.
Comment by Juan C
Um….Ma’am…..or fabulously hot babe — whichever Raven might prefer. :)
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by Juan C #45
Juan,
Don’t blame the poor (mostly Black) population of D.C.
…they’re under OCCUPATION just as much (if not MORE than)…
…the Iraqis…
…it’s the Virginia, and Maryland suburbs…
…that need to be visited…
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:44 pmExley impression:
Well, Im not happy about collateral damage. There will be losses in both sides, War is Hell but as our Commander-in-Chief of this glorious, mighty country, told us War is Peace, so at the end, blowing up civilians is for peaceful purposes.
You are right, big papa. I got caught in the moment.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 pmZoo, Raven is a man. :)
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmFirst of all, reading Patrick 1’s posts on this string is very confusing. He’s either schizo, or there’s two different people posting.
Secondly, The U.S. engaging in terrorism is hardly new. It goes back to the 50’s. I think when Bush (and those before him) declared war on terrorists, it was always the “enemies” terrorists…not ours.
I’ve always believed that the U.S. has been accruing some seriously bad karma when we dropped two atomic bombs on civilians populations in Japan. Maybe serious bad karma before that…that was just the worst. I define myself as a patriot, because I truly want the country to be closer to that which was expressed by the original patriots in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution that followed. We’ve never been even close, but we are even further from that dream of being the “shining light on the hill.” That’s the country I am loyal to. At this point, fighting for our civil liberties, as defined by our Bill of Rights, seems like the most we might be able to do. The system we live under, and especially now that we are in a “global economy” makes it mind-boggling to contemplate HOW we fix what has been messed up for a very long time.
April 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmId go a little further in time.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:01 pmZoo, Raven is a man. :)
Comment by Juan C
Heh. Nope. :D
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:05 pmHeh. Nope. :D
Comment by Zooey
mmm…He said so some days ago. Or not? :P
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:07 pmJundullah = Army of God.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 pmSo we like war against the Party of God, but we ally ourselves with the Army of God. Hmm, makes sense. Oh, one is Shiite and the other is Sunni. Which one of those attacked us again?
mmm…He said so some days ago. Or not? :P
Comment by Juan C
I always thought Raven was a guy, too. Then a couple months ago Raven put up a comment that I thought was odd for a man to say, and asked her about it. So yeah, Raven’s a chick! Or both… :D
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:15 pm#
Secondly, The U.S. engaging in terrorism is hardly new. It goes back to the 50’s.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush
Id go a little further in time.
Comment by Juan C — April 3, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Yes…I know. And it includes acts of terrorism against America’s original people as well. From the beginning. Knowing these things keeps me from being a “nationalist,” but I’ve not given up the dream yet of what we “could be” as a country. If we choose to. And yes, I recognize I’m a patriot for a country that never may have been, isn’t now, and may never be. When I was five, I sensed something was not aligned between what we were told, versus what was real. As I grew older, I became aware of the facts. I’m almost 60 years old now. I can’t even being to express how sad I am.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:23 pmComment by impeachcheneythenbush
Speechless. One of the best post Ive read.
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 pmComment by impeachcheneythenbush #57
…the road to recovery and healing…
…opens up with the admission that there is a problem…
…CONself-serving DUHmericans always want their victims to “move on”…
…or “get over it”…
…EXCEPT when it happens to THEM…
…then they want REVENGE…
…look at the ratio of 9/11 innocents…
…compared to the “collateral damage” Americans have inflicted on the Iraqis and Afghans…
…the CON’self-serving Karma awits…
…their enemies’ acquisition of the BIGGER GUN…
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:40 pmI can’t even being to express how sad I am.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush
Such a disappointment, isn’t it?
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:47 pm….that should be “awaits”in post #59…
…sorry for the typo…
Also wanted to add this little tidbit…
…remember how the victims of South African apartheid…
…chose to “forgive” their white tormentors…
…with the “truth and reconciliation” commissions…
…or the East Indians who under Ghandi forgave the British whites…
…and how now in America Blacks and Native populations seek to get along…
…with their oppressors…
…look at these situations…
…and then read “Macbeth”…
April 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 pmTo hil’s question (#3) see “Charlie Wilson’s War” by George Crile which describes US funding of the Afghanis against the Soviets; I also recommend “Power, Faith and Fantasy” by Michael Oren. Both good books about US involvement in the Middle East. The latter describes US involvement going back to Jefferson’s presidency.
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 pmGWB as crusader is merely the extension of most of US efforts in the Middle East from Morocco to Iran.
Raven what arst thou knave or babe ?
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 pmHow far back does it go? Well, apart from 4-10 million Native Americans and about 4 million slaves, we killed 600,000 Filipinos from 1898-1904 because they wanted freedom and we wanted to control that part of the world. We killed about 300,000 in Guatemala, 100,000 in El Salvador, 100,000 in Nicaragua, 3 million in Vietnam, 300,000 in Cambodia, 1 million in Mozambique, etc., etc.
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmThis “story” comes from ABC news The Blotter. It is not a credible source.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:02 am#65 It didn’t come from Fox so you you don’t buy it. K.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:31 am