Right Wing Smears Pelosi As ‘Subservient’ For Wearing Scarf – What About Laura Bush?
Right Wing Smears Pelosi As ‘Subservient’ For Wearing Scarf – What About Laura Bush?
Yesterday, right-wing Internet gossip Matt Drudge posted a photo of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wearing a headscarf while visiting the tomb of John the Baptist inside the Umayyad mosque in Damascus.
As Mahablog points out, the right-wing is now seething:
HotAir: “The campaign commercial practically writes itself. Ah well. A woman must know her place when entering a mosque. … It pains the left too, I’m sure, to see the most powerful woman in America having to yield, however slightly, to a misogynistic culture’s expectations, but they can’t vent their anger at the people responsible so they’ll vent it at Charles or me or whomever instead.”
Instapundit: FEMINIST IN AMERICA, subservient in Syria.
The New Editor: “This picture disgusts me. What message is Nancy Pelosi trying to send? Are women equal to men, or not? Why is modesty foisted only upon women?”
Little Green Footballs: “Pelosi in a Hijab. The modern Democratic leadership. How … quaint.”
Apparently they never saw Laura Bush when she visited al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem:
More photos at Mahablog.
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April 4th, 2007 at 9:57 amDifference Mrs. Bush doesn’t hold elective office, while Mrs. Pelosi does.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:58 amI propose it should be against the law to accuse the other of what you yourself have done. It’s the right thing to do.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:59 amHypocrisy runs in the veins of every Republican.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:59 amIs Laura Bush third in line to the Presidency? Is she visiting and allie or an enemy? Questions Pelosi and her apologists may want to ask.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:00 amOutstanding!!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:00 amGOP apologists are so pathetic.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:00 amDidn’t she also wear this visiting the Pope in Rome?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:03 am#2, #5: That’s a distinction, not a difference. Both women were representatives of the U.S. and respected the local culture. That’s called diplomacy, and republicans used to be good at it. It’s like taking off your shoes when you enter a Japanese house.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:03 amOMG Darth Bush female version.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:04 amStings doesn’t it Patrick. Great job in pointing out the double standard.
Patrick, you still outraged at all the republicans that have gone to Syria recently? Haven’t seen any posts showing that part of your disgust.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:04 amThe right-wings’ white-knuckled, foaming-at-the-mouth rage at the MANDATE the dems VICTORIOUSLY won in 2006 is nothing short of amusing. They will stay on the fringe and simmer in boiling jealous rage for decades to come, guaranteed.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:05 am“Is Laura Bush third in line to the Presidency? Is she visiting and allie or an enemy? Questions Pelosi and her apologists may want to ask.”
what answers would charles krauthammer’s martian thought experiment yield?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:06 amDifference Mrs. Bush doesn’t hold elective office, while Mrs. Pelosi does.
Comment by Alex — April 4, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Nonsense – as the First Lady, Laura Bush is an official by default.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:06 amPatrick1:
shouldn’t you be worried more about that child porn on your computer versus what someone else is doing to respect traditions of other nations?
You are what terrorists hate, not our freedoms, our ignorant racist f-ckheads.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:06 amIncredible hypocrisy from the right.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:06 amThe wearing of a head scarf is a sign of respect on the part of Western women – certainly appropriate for a diplomatic mission.
Apparently the right is so accustomed to Stepford wife, Laura, like all good wives who know their place, that they never even notice what she is wearing.
God, these people make me sick.
BWAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHA!!!
It’s almost as if the right has absolutely no idea that when you are in front of a camera, a record of what happened or what you said is made..
ridiculous…
April 4th, 2007 at 10:07 amOh yes…God forbid Pelosi actually respect the traditions of the country she is visiting. That’s not the American Way â„¢!
</snark>
April 4th, 2007 at 10:07 amSpeaker Pelosi was doing what she should have done, showing respect to the customs of the host.
I just thought the pattern on her scarf/hijab was a little too “busy”.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:08 amI guess nobody cares about the complete disrespect of women here. Who cares if Laura Bush, who is not an elected official did the same thing. Pelosi has more political power than any woman in America and she has to turn into a lesser person than any man to go into a mosque? People that champion gender equality should be outraged.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:08 amThis is friggin’ hilarioius.
The right has nothing!
Absolutely nothing (as evident by Patrick1inch and Alexis’ posts), so they have to come up with this Bull$hit
Great catch, Nico!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:08 amWhen I was invited to attend the bar mitzvah of a friend’s son, I was happy to don a yarmulke when I entered the synogogue. It seemed like the respectful thing to. I’ll bet that Condi Rice would don a headscarf when entering a mosque.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:09 amI suppose the neocons would be much happier of Pelosi were to instead get drunk at an international assembly, curse to Prime Minister Blair with her mouth full of food, and then try to give a neck massage to Chancellor Merkel?
Hypocrisy knows no shame…
April 4th, 2007 at 10:09 amHow about a few photos of women visiting the Pope?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:09 amMy wife does research in an Islamic African country. She will wear head coverings when the situation calls for it as both a sign of respect to the people she is working with and as a practical matter. It’s not about being subservent, it about getting the job done. Just as a man can’t go topless to a diplomatic negotiation and be taken seriously, a woman in this culture would not be taken seriously without the head cover. Speaker Pelosi is clearly more interested in results than perception.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:10 amIt’s a shame that people do not remember respect. Years ago, in the catholic and orthodox churches, women had to cover their heads.
The reason Pelosi wore the scarf is to show respect. After all she is trying to negotiate with the Syrians. You try not to offend when you want others to capitulate.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:11 amThe Republicans are lucky they didn’t send a female Republican to Syria. It would have galled them to have a Republican female with headscarf in a picture.
With there only being 16 women senators (11 Dems, 5 Reps) it would be hard for the Republicans to find one that is willing to step outside the safe confines of the US border. Leave that up to the Democrat House women.
Also, in the House, there are 71 women. 50 Democrats to 21 Republicans.
I guess that Republicans only like their women in a subservient role and not in the halls of Congress making decisions better left up to men. (Tongue in cheek)
April 4th, 2007 at 10:12 amWhich is a bigger outrage–Pelosi’s scarf or 3,285 dead America soldiers? Let the voters decide in 2008.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:12 amPeople that champion gender equality should be outraged.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:08 am
Pure nonsense. There is a vast difference between choosing to do something (respect a culture) and being forced to do something (be subservient).
As an advocate for female equality – the fact that she was accepted by their culture as an American Diplomat – instead of being ignored or harassed is a sign that they respected her culture (women are equal to men), therefore her putting a scarf on her head to return the respect is a sign of PROGRESS…
April 4th, 2007 at 10:13 amLet’s see if there is the same outrage when neocon male politician is ever “caught” wearing a yarmulke in a Jewish synogogue.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:13 amIf Nancy Pelosi hadn’t worn the head scarf, the neocons would be attacking her for that… Saying that she is only showing the Syrians that woman aren’t respectful and therefore deserve subservience…
It’s a no win situation with them. They really have sunk to such lows that if this is all they have – they are so over….
April 4th, 2007 at 10:15 amMen take off their shoes in a mosque…….
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 10:15 am16 – The wearing of a head scarf is a sign of respect on the part of Western women – certainly appropriate for a diplomatic mission.
And we should add that the men take their shoes off as a sign of respect. Is that subservient wing-nuts? Who can forget the picture of Wolfowitz visiting a mosque in Turkey with holes in his socks!!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:16 am“Let’s see if there is the same outrage when neocon male politician is ever “caught†wearing a yarmulke in a Jewish synogogue.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — April 4, 2007″
In the words of Emeril Lagasse….BAM!
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amshe has to turn into a lesser person than any man to go into a mosque? People that champion gender equality should be outraged.
Comment by rancidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:08 am
Umm no. she has to respect the culture she is visiting, and follow their customs.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amPeople that can actually think before they post should be outraged at having to read your non sensical ideas.
Didn’t Ms. Rice wear a headscarf recently? And I believe Karen Hughes wore one as well. Hell, I bet Elizabeht Dole put one on if she ever went over to the middle east.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amPure nonsense. There is a vast difference between choosing to do something (respect a culture) and being forced to do something (be subservient).
As an advocate for female equality – the fact that she was accepted by their culture as an American Diplomat – instead of being ignored or harassed is a sign that they respected her culture (women are equal to men), therefore her putting a scarf on her head to return the respect is a sign of PROGRESS…
You know very well that in Syria, women are not equal to men. Instead of looking at it as a sign of respect to their culture, people should look at it as a sign of disrespect to all women.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amPatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) sez:
Yes. Let’s see.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amonce a hypocrite, always a hypocrite… it’s only wrong when lefties do it!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amAlmost all of the communications media has been taken over by America’s fascistic right wing. They own it. It is silly to analyze their content piece by piece when the whole picture is one equivalent to Hitler’s propaganda machinery of the 1930’s. Use your energy and space to analyze the media and how it has been used to sway American opinion. Bit by bit won’t do it. This is beginning to look like a gossip column or a supermarket tabloid.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amLet’s see if there is the same outrage when neocon male politician is ever “caught†wearing a yarmulke in a Jewish synogogue
Very different, men are not considered to be less than women in the Jewish religion. You are not comparing apples to apples here.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amEven if Laura Bush hadnt worn a scarf and Pelosi had, what? When you have left no arguments, you head to the gossip show.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:19 am“Who cares if Laura Bush, who is not an elected official did the same thing.”
that pretty sums it, doesn’t it.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amhypocrites
April 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amtmm:DAAAAMMN. You just dusted off your pimp hand and let it fly!!!!
unbelievable: first off, good morning to you!
second:Talking Donkeys? Are the righties celebrating a newfound book of the Bible? Is it the Book of Shreck?
*snicker*
please enlighten me of said talking donkeys.
thanks :)
I KNOW I just busted on p1 for cutting and pasting, but I reaally wanna know about the talking donkeys….
April 4th, 2007 at 10:22 amYou know very well that in Syria, women are not equal to men. Instead of looking at it as a sign of respect to their culture, people should look at it as a sign of disrespect to all women.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:23 amComment by rancidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:17 am
Yeah! and I bet, if she were to visit certain areas of Asia, she’d have to remove her shoes before entering a house, and sit on the floor while eating!
What the hell is she doing respecting other’s cultures?
The neocons are running out of boogey men to trot out to scare America–looks like another round of rigorous sniffing of grandma’s shoes and socks at the airports this summer in our “war on terror.”
April 4th, 2007 at 10:25 amYeah! and I bet, if she were to visit certain areas of Asia, she’d have to remove her shoes before entering a house, and sit on the floor while eating!
What the hell is she doing respecting other’s cultures?
Again not the same thing. EVERYBODY in Asia would have to take off their shoes before entering a house. It is not about making women less than men, like it is in this case.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:26 amTake it easy on the wingers. They’ve watched their whole thing go down the toilet in just six short years. Their nerves are in tatters; their righteous indignation centers are shorting out. They’re even nuttier than they usually are.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:26 amWhat the hell is she doing respecting other’s cultures?
Who cares if respecting said culture demeans an entire gender right?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:27 amI’m not Jewish, but I wore a yarmulka when I was in a temple for a bat mitzvah. Does that mean I’m officially a member of AIPAC now? Geez, I had no idea.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:28 amNancy Pelosi is respecting the traditions of the country she is visiting. So, what is wrong with that? Our women in the military in Saudi Arabia don’t drive cars in deference to the customs there. What does the right wing have to say about that? These right wing whack jobs are getting hysterical. It’s actually pretty funny to watch.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:30 amThese wingnuts expect her to wear a red whit and blue bikini like the budwieser girls to show how non-’subservient’ she is.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:31 amSpeaking of hypocracy.
What is Pelosi doing taking spring break in Syria and meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad? Has she forgotten about the Syria Accountability Act? That law, which Pelosi and 398 other House Members voted for on October 15, 2003, stated that it is the policy of the United States that:
(9) the United States will not provide any assistance to Syria and will oppose multilateral assistance for Syria until Syria ends all support for terrorism, withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon, and halts the development and deployment of weapons of mass destruction and medium- and long-range surface-to-surface ballistic missiles.
Did Pelosi forget what she said about the Syria Accountability Act before voting for it?:
Syria’s assistance to terrorist organizations is well known, and the State Department continues to list Syria as a state sponsor of terrorism, in violation of resolutions on that issue by the United Nations Security Council. The Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, which Syria controls, provides a haven and the site of training facilities for Hezbollah, Hamas, and other terrorist groups. These activities could not occur without the assent of the Syrian government.
The people of Israel and the cause of peace in the Middle East have been the traditional targets of the groups helped by Syria, but today’s attack on the U.S. convoy in Gaza is a reminder that the United States, and our interests around the world, are foremost on terrorist target lists. Dealing with the problem of terrorism must be our chief priority.
One of the lessons learned thus far in the war on terrorism is that there can be no success without disrupting the support networks on which terrorists rely. Rhetoric has thus far not been effective in encouraging the Syrian government to cease its assistance to terrorists, and to remove its forces from Lebanon.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:31 amYou are not comparing apples to apples here.
Comment by rabidbunny
So what? The outrage over Pelosi is not comparing reality to reality, either.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:31 amShe has something the right just doesn’t have. Besides her attractive appearance she is also a diplomat with a desire to see another point of view.
This demeanor alone scares the right to death.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:31 amI only wore a head scarf because I had a “hair-don’t” that day, not because I respected the customs of the country I was visiting. Nancy always looks fabulous so I doubt that bad hair could have been the reason she wore one.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:31 amAgain not the same thing.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:32 amComment by rancidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:26 am
so you’re telling me she should have disrespected the law regarding apparel before entering a holy site?
By your thinking, just because, here in the US, we have laws forbidding nudity on a beach, if Europeans come over here to sunbathe, they can remove their tops because it is their cultural right?
Doesn’t fly rancid bunny. Does not fly!
One follows religious custom out of respect. Not subservience. Even the Queen has removed her shoes when visiting certain sacred shrines. And I’ve put on a yarmulke when visiting a synagogue.
I suppose this ranting just reveals the “good manners” of people who agree with Ann Coulter’s prescription to kill all Muslim rulers and convert their people to Christianity.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:32 amLet’s not be confusing the Reich wing with facts. Too many of them and they will lose all their wind and what fun would that be!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am“Is Laura Bush third in line to the Presidency? Is she visiting and allie or an enemy? Questions Pelosi and her apologists may want to ask.”
What difference does that make. When Bush visits a foreign country, he follows the customs of that country as a sign of respect. But, then, respect is something that is a foreign concept to these Republic neocons.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:33 amYay! The right is embracing feminism! They should favor the revival of the Equal Rights Amendment, with extraterritorial reach to boot.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:34 amPatrick1inch
April 4th, 2007 at 10:34 amI’ll ask you nicely one more time.
Instead of cutting and pasting, please provide a link, then post your own thoughts and ideas.
I know it’ll take some time, but free thinking will make you mentally stronger.
I’m sure rabidbunny and his fellow rodents are really outraged at the demeaning of women, rather than trying to score points against a Democrat, a woman at that. I’m sure they support U.S. policies which are equality based.
/sarc off
April 4th, 2007 at 10:35 amThe cowards at redstate banned me after I pointed this out to them last night.
That and telling them that drudge rules their world
April 4th, 2007 at 10:35 amThe gentleman next to Mrs. Bush with the red tie–anyone know who he is? An official or security?
He looks a lot like the gentleman in combat gear next to Sen. McCain in Baghdad the other day:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/4/95855/67277
April 4th, 2007 at 10:35 amAnother point of view? Laughable..the Syrian point of view is we either cut off your head or blow you up, which of those is the United States supposed to accept?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amhttp://www7.ttvnol.com/uploaded2/My2Cents/capt.c4d87161a9dc49dba4ecd19fcb8a583c.vietnam_bush_apec_ny107.jpg
April 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amWhat the hell is she doing respecting other’s cultures?
Who cares if respecting said culture demeans an entire gender right?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:27 am
Why does Bush and his Cabal talk to Sudia Arabia? They are the same as Syria – woman are second best citizens. Don’t they care about holding hands and kissing a culture that demeans an entire gender?
It’s called diplomacy and if Pelosi had not worn the getup they would not talk to her. Or would you rather the US just bomb Syria?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amThe reason for attacking Pelosi has nothing to do with gender equality, it’s because she has the nerve to embarrass this administration by going against Bush’s childish stance toward relations with Damascus.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:37 amSo what did they talk about? The date and time of American surrender to Islamo Fascism?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:39 amWhy does TP have the delay in posting when they allow the wingnut cut and paste jobs?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:40 amHow often do American men hold each other’s hands?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:40 amhttp://www.dmockcrazy.com/images/bu5h_saudi_hold_hands1.jpg
Laura is the First Lady who is obliged to do such things. Pelosi is a partisan speaker who has no business being there in the first place. It is not the job of Congress.
Traitor Nancy – get used to hearing it. We will blundgeon Pelosi and Democrats over their constant cheering for the enemy.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:40 amPatrick1, dumber than ever before. Entropy seems to be eating away at this idiot’s crumbling psyche.
See you in November 2008, freak.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:40 am“the Syrian point of view is we either cut off your head or blow you up, which of those is the United States supposed to accept?”
what?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:41 amBush Regime Attacks Rep. Pelosi To Divert Attention From Sen. McCain
Wednesday 4th of April 2007
by Jay Randal
The Bush Regime is attacking Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Syria, to divert press attention away from reporting on Sen. John McCain’s disgraceful photo-op stunt in Iraq, so distraction from the real outrage in Baghdad.
Sen. McCain misused US military personnel, in Iraq, to attempt to bamboozle American public into belief that the streets of Baghdad are safe enough for even US Senators, to go shopping, but are actually unsafe.
He needed 100 American soldiers to guard him, with helicopter gunships flying overhead to protect him, so he could stage his propaganda walk down a street in Baghdad and claim that Iraq has improving security.
The whole event was a disinformation scam, utilizing troops and military hardware that were needed elsewhere, so his stunt helped cause the deaths of soldiers in other locations in Iraq and more wounded as well.
The press must focus on Sen. McCain’s stunt in Iraq!
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: Call and Fax McCain’s DC office telling him to resign now.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:42 amGeorge W. Bush, selling out his Christianity to suck up to the Israelis?
Hmmmmmm…….See Right Wingnuttia, the left can attack, attack, attack, too.
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 10:42 amThese trolls are so lame.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:42 am“Laura is the First Lady who is obliged to do such things. Pelosi is a partisan speaker who has no business being there in the first place. It is not the job of Congress.”
tell Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts, and Robert Aderholt
April 4th, 2007 at 10:42 amOh oh….The Right Wingnazis are going to “blundgeon” Pelosi……..
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 10:43 amLaura is the First Lady who is obliged to do such thing
April 4th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by I Heart Terrorists — April 4, 2007 @ 10:40 am
So Laura is a subservent of the administration?
Laura must oblige, making her importance less than a man?
Dude, it must suck to have gone through you’re entire life without ever kissing a woman.
On FOX News Hannity and Colmes tonight– Ahmadinejad or Bush: Who is more screechy and unhinged?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:44 amWhile we are at war..and spending billions of dollars of our budget to keep feeding this war machine…the story of scarf seems to be of big importance to some people.. .It is the main issue to these people of the whole trip…..
How disgusting that is?!!!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:44 amI don’t think Pelosi wearing a scarf on her head is nearly as disturbing as Dubya kissing Abdullah.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:44 am#
So what did they talk about? The date and time of American surrender to Islamo Fascism?
Comment by Patrick1 — April 4, 2007 @ 10:39 am
Those discussions were between Cheney and Ghaddaffy…you know, the guy who blew-up a plane over Scotland….then became George W. Bush’s hero and BFF forever after negotiating with him.
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 10:44 amTraitor Nancy – get used to hearing it. We will blundgeon Pelosi and Democrats over their constant cheering for the enemy.
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — April 4, 2007 @ 10:40 am
You are pathetically out of touch, LHT, just like Bush and the Republicans in Congress. I suggest studying the 2006 election results. Your guys got clobbered, especially when you consider the structural advantages gerrymandered by the GOP.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amP V1.0
April 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amThen what the hell were 3 GOPer’s doing in Damascus last Sunday?
Your double standards are hanging you guys. Can’t you see that?
You know very well that in Syria, women are not equal to men.
Exactly – that’s why the Syrians accepting her as an American Diplomat with whom they were willing to speak is a huge sign of progress. There have been instances in the past when other Middle Eastern countries have refused to speak with our female diplomats…
Christianity didn’t recognize woman as human beings until 632… Look how far we’ve come in this country dominated by Christian Patriarchy (though still not far enough or, like the rest of teh Industrialized Nations, we’d have an Equal Rights Amendment and we’d be getting equal pay for equal work).
Instead of looking at it as a sign of respect to their culture, people should look at it as a sign of disrespect to all women.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:17 am
Or, you could be a realizt and look at it as a sign of progress that they spoke with her at all, and that she was smart enough to know that she would maintain that respect if she simply reciprocated.
I realize it’s a difficult concept for you neocons who want to dominate and destroy everything like you – but you can’t claim to care about womens rights when you’re not willing to respect Syrian culture – or, considering Gitmo – human rights either…
April 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amSaudi Arabia is far more oppressive than Syria.
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 10:46 amI KNOW I just busted on p1 for cutting and pasting, but I reaally wanna know about the talking donkeys….
Comment by whiteyfresh — April 4, 2007 @ 10:22 am
I responded in the other thread… :)
April 4th, 2007 at 10:46 amForget about the headscarf. What about the President and his constant desire to kiss men. Talk about sending mixed signals.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:47 amso you’re telling me she should have disrespected the law regarding apparel before entering a holy site?
By your thinking, just because, here in the US, we have laws forbidding nudity on a beach, if Europeans come over here to sunbathe, they can remove their tops because it is their cultural right?
Doesn’t fly rancid bunny. Does not fly!
If you have no problem with the most powerful woman in America having to cover herself for the simple fact that she is a woman then fine. People here keep making comparisons that are completely off in left field and have nothing to do with this. Making people keep their clothes on in America has nothing to do with opressing women.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt’s comments like unbelievable’s (90) that keep me reading here. Great post.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:53 amUB:awesome-got it
April 4th, 2007 at 10:54 amrabidbunny,
They’re not really trying to tell you anything, it’s just hypocritical ranting.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:54 amAnother great response to the Right Wing Marching Parrots – thanks TP!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:55 amYou know, the trolls might be onto something: Laura Bush really is different than Nancy Pelosi. Of course it is wrong for a strong, independent woman like Pelosi to knuckle under by wearing a head scarf. But it is fine when a true American Taliban woman like Laura does it. After all, this Stepford wife serves at the whim of her Christian Lord and Master, CinC George. So why not symbolize subservience by wearing the scarf?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:55 amIf we cannot be respectful in other countries, why would we ask them to respect us. You don’t go into someone’s home and put your muddy feet on their couch just like a woman does not go into a mosque with her head uncovered. If these repugs want to pick on anything, how about all the homoerotic hand holding and kissing Bush and his father does with the Saudi leaders. It’s one thing to cover one’s head… another to kiss a man.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:55 amBush loves to kiss bald headed men on their foreheads. He has a fetish for bald headed guys like Jeff Gannon > lol.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:56 amThese people are such ugly human beings.They act beneath the dignity of human beings. Their ugliness is seated in their arrested development at age 7.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:57 amJay Randal,
No not the forehead, the lips. Ohhhh how gay.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dbush%2520kissing%2520Abdullah%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26x%3Dwrt%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=300&h=250&imgurl=www.earthhopenetwork.net%2Fbush%2520art%2Fbush_abdullah.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earthhopenetwork.net%2FBush_Iraq_Middle_East_2.htm&size=19.4kB&name=bush_abdullah.jpg&p=bush+kissing+Abdullah&type=jpeg&no=2&tt=13&oid=9e9f0d7c90d06ee0&ei=UTF-8
April 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amIf you have no problem with the most powerful woman in America having to cover herself for the simple fact that she is a woman then fine. People here keep making comparisons that are completely off in left field and have nothing to do with this. Making people keep their clothes on in America has nothing to do with opressing women.
That’s it rabid, try to keep your world together; bend the logic here, twist it there, and your sorry world view just might stay intact. Speaker Pelosi was trying to get a job done. If putting a scarf on helped her get that job done, great. Only an idiot or a fool would choose that moment to make a stand about equal rights and/or cultural differences. The fact that the Speaker of the House IS a woman already says a great deal.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amCould this be what all the diversion and SPIN is about?
The US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad has assured her in talks that he is ready to resume peace talks with Israel…
[from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6522743.stm ]
ReichWingNuts and ChristoFascistTerrorists don’t want _you_ to know that Pelosi might be successful in an area BushCo has utterly failed in.
Think about it.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amIf you have no problem with the most powerful woman in America having to cover herself
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:51 am
She didn’t have to… She chose to. I realize you don’t get it, but there are some of us who understand that respect is a two way street.
She respected them, and they respected her… AND vice versa. It’s how change begins… One step at a time.
She was a role model for how a powerful woman could be respectful. It might have the consequence of causing some of them to think about it. She might have planted a seed that could make a difference for future generations. She wouldn’t have done that if she’d been rude – for thenthey would have focused on her disrespect.
It’s basic physics – Newton’s Third Law… For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Give respect and you get respect… Simple, eh?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:02 am#87 – apparently Nancy and people like you, need to study the 2004 elections. President Bush won the election and his cabinet is responsible for diplomatic relations whether you like it or not.
I might be out of touch, but it certainly worked well for Democrats last year. If the strategy is to attack your opponent viciously and relentlessly without ever offering a plan, then the GOP needs to start playing that game too.
Democrats stand for nothing except unfettered hatred for George W. Bush. Well, the GOP can play that game too.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amIt’s comments like unbelievable’s (90) that keep me reading here. Great post.
Comment by hellinabucket — April 4, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Thank you… :)
April 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amThe biggest fear of the Republican Power Elite is a world at peace.
-GSD
April 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amI think Nancy looked great!! I think it’s a look she might want to get comfortable with…..
April 4th, 2007 at 11:05 am#54 – So, where’s your outrage at the Republicans that met with Syria?
Your double standards are showing.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:05 amPatrick1 you really are a dipshit aren’t you! Pelosi is SECOND in line to the President not third you dumbass…
April 4th, 2007 at 11:06 amRancid Rabbit,
The mattress store called. You new mattress will be delivered this afternoon. But they’re not taking away your old piss-soaked mattress, because the delivery guys each got hernias. Sorry.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:06 amPelosi is just laying the groundwork of responsible and rational governance once the Republicans and neocons are flushed out of office in 2008. Bush and the Republicans have had their chance to lead and will leave a lasting legacy of failure, war, death, and corruption.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amRocks > Bush kisses bald headed men on their foreheads and he kisses Saudi royalty on the lips.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amThe US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad has assured her in talks that he is ready to resume peace talks with Israel…
Comment by JesusChrist_GodofWAR — April 4, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Excellent catch! All that for just an ounce of respect from a square piece of fabric… Well, and her brilliant mind and peaceful aspirations, of course :)
Great job Speaker Pelosi! Your country thanks you.
Now please impeach Bush and Cheney so you can fix the rest of their messes in this regard :)
April 4th, 2007 at 11:09 amThe lips ewwwwwwww!
April 4th, 2007 at 11:11 amDemocrats stand for nothing except unfettered hatred for George W. Bush. Well, the GOP can play that game too.
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — April 4, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Talk about delusional! Your side INVENTED that game…
Join reality. It hurts a whole lot less…
April 4th, 2007 at 11:11 amDrudge has lost credibility. I no longer read it.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:12 amDamascus is a highly educated, cosmopolitan city. I’ll bet the average resident of Damascus is better educated than the average American. Actually, since this whole GWOT thingie, Syria has, like the rest of the Muslim world, gotten more fundamentalist. Instead of the trend to less religious oppression, they are going the other way. Before women in the middle of Damascus wouldn’t necessarily be admonished for not wearing a hijab, but nowadays the trend is to be “better Muslims.” An Islamic revival of sorts. All thanks to you know who.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:12 amZOOEY!
what’s happening?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:13 amA blog post about what I’m talking about:
April 4th, 2007 at 11:13 amhttp://damascusdreams.wordpress.com/2006/12/07/some-observations-about-syrian-women/
Bush is jealous because Pelosi is a naturally beautiful woman.
Look at WTF he married.
Style, grace, intelligence. Geez, W, how would that feel?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:14 amThe “How…quaint” remark from LGF was a regarding the tomb containing the head of John the Baptist. Also you might have noticed that quite a few of the commenters defended Nancy Pelosi for wearing the headscarf while inside of the mosque. In fact I posted pictures of Laura Bush wearing the black scarf at al-Aqsa mosque as well as Laura Bush wearing a head covering when meeting with the Pope in that very LGF thread.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:14 amWhat are you talking about? the GOP PERFECTED that method. They are the masters.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:17 amShe didn’t have to… She chose to. I realize you don’t get it, but there are some of us who understand that respect is a two way street.
Would they have allowed her in if she hadn’t wore it? NO
April 4th, 2007 at 11:17 am“Democrats stand for nothing except unfettered hatred for George W. Bush. Well, the GOP can play that game too.”
actually the democratic house leader is taking the initiative to find diplomatic solutions to the mess in the middle east. the mess that came about because the repub’s went in there without a plan.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:18 amMaking people keep their clothes on in America has nothing to do with opressing women.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:51 am
And yet, MEN are allowed to go topless in every trailer park in America!
So how is it not about oppressing women again?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:19 amThat’s it rabid, try to keep your world together; bend the logic here, twist it there, and your sorry world view just might stay intact. Speaker Pelosi was trying to get a job done. If putting a scarf on helped her get that job done, great. Only an idiot or a fool would choose that moment to make a stand about equal rights and/or cultural differences. The fact that the Speaker of the House IS a woman already says a great deal.
Got it! It is okay to compromise your beliefs and ideals to “get the job done”. Too bad this meeting will not get any job done. She just wanted a photo op to reign in the quickly growing muslim vote in America.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:19 am#125 – “Would they have allowed her in if she hadn’t wore it? NO” Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:17 am
So, you’re asying it’s all fine & hunky dorey that First Lady Luara Bush wore a headscarf, but it’s completely wrong that Speaker Pelosi did?
Double standards, anyone?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:20 amRancid Rabbit,
The mattress store called. You new mattress will be delivered this afternoon. But they’re not taking away your old piss-soaked mattress, because the delivery guys each got hernias. Sorry.
More childish insults. I guess when that is all you have to fall back on….
April 4th, 2007 at 11:21 amBush is jealous because Pelosi is a naturally beautiful woman.
Huh?
Say what you like about George but Laura Bush is a class act.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:21 amYou wouldn’t understand, dears, it’s called ‘diplomacy’.
Perish the thought another country’s customs should be respected by a visiting dignitary. Perhaps she should have driven there in a Hummer, wearing a stars-and-stripes bikini, shouting ‘USA, USA’?
I wonder if these flag-waving simpletons could pool their cognitive resources and maybe scrape together one collective IQ point?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:22 amSo, you’re asying it’s all fine & hunky dorey that First Lady Luara Bush wore a headscarf, but it’s completely wrong that Speaker Pelosi did?
Double standards, anyone?
I think it is messe up the Laura Bush did the same thing. But I hold the speaker of the house to a higher standard than the woman that is married to the president.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:22 amAnd yet, MEN are allowed to go topless in every trailer park in America!
So how is it not about oppressing women again?
You could not be reaching more here. Have you ever heard an advocate of woman rights complain about not being able to run around topless in a trailer park?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:23 amPlease explain what Pelosi should have done? Maybe throw the scarf in someone’s face and then spit on it? What?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:24 amJust as a man can’t go topless to a diplomatic negotiation and be taken seriously
apparently you’ve never seen “300″….
April 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amYou wouldn’t understand, dears, it’s called ‘diplomacy’.
It’s called a culture that has opressed women for thousands of years.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amWith Hillary and Traitor Nancy representing the Democrats in 2008, I think the GOP will be able to hang on to the White House.
AND accept it , radical lefties at TP. Hillary will be your nominee. Her husband and her will shut out the opposition like they always do. AND the wimpy Democrats will roll over for their favorite fascist leaders. Then, the GOP goes in for the kill.
How Orwellian.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:27 amMore greatest hits from Laura Bush:
“Many parts of Iraq are stable now. But, of course, what we see on television is the one bombing a day that discourages everybody.”
- February 2007
“I don’t really believe those polls. I travel around the country, I see people, I see their response to my husband, I see their response to me…A lot of people come up to me and say, ‘Stay the course.’”
April 4th, 2007 at 11:27 am- May 2006
“It’s called a culture that has opressed women for thousands of years.”
every culture is guilty of that.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:27 amZOOEY!
what’s happening?
Comment by whiteyfresh
Not much, whitey. Basically procrastinating while I should be studying for my Soc exam. How about you?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:29 amMore childish insults. I guess when that is all you have to fall back on….
Comment by rabidbunny
No, it’s true….I’ve got the message right here.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:30 amPlease explain what Pelosi should have done? Maybe throw the scarf in someone’s face and then spit on it? What?
Make a stand saying that women are equal to men. Maybe meet someplace else, where she does not need to wear something that was created to make women inferior. Sometimes doing the right thing is not easy, but once you sell out your convictions it’s hard to get them back.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:30 amYeah, because that strategy worked SO well for the GOP in 2006
And sorry Patrick, but your usually pathetic trolling is even weaker than usual with this topic, as the fact that three GOP members were in Syria one day before Pelosi completely undercuts your GOP-approved anti-dem talking points
Doesn’t it just sting knowing that NONE of your bs will turn things around for the absolute worst, most incompetent President in US history, none of your blather will EVER get the public to overwhelmingly support W again like it did after 9-11?
A reality that applies to any W apologist troll/media whore/loyal quisling on any liberal site, none of the pro W rhetoric will do a damn thing to bolster or recoup his now expended “political capital” he claimed to earn way back when
Too Bad, So Sad, Case Closed, Deal With It
What a time those making up the GOP’s base, election night 2004, all that gloating on the far right about how the GOP was going to demolish the Great Society programs, the GOP was destined for permanent political majority status while the Dems were headed for permanent exile in the political wilderness
My, how times have changed in less than 3 years
Heya trolls, how does it feel knowing that you do NOT represent the political, social and religious mainstream in this country?
Expect the rhetoric from the ChickenHawk Enablers, AKA W supporters/media whores/loyal quislings to become even more deranged, shrill and untethered from reality the closer we get to the 2008 elections if W’s still holding the US troops hostage in Iraq
One other thing for the trolls to consider
Hurricane season’s coming, and we all saw with the Federal response to Katrina the stark differences between Clinton-competent-and W-clueless-when it comes to how FEMA operates
Choke on that, trolls
April 4th, 2007 at 11:30 amevery culture is guilty of that.
Does that mean we should be regressing?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:31 amYou could not be reaching more here. Have you ever heard an advocate of woman rights complain about not being able to run around topless in a trailer park?
Comment by rabidbunny
No but there are plenty who advocate breast feeding in public.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:32 amAnd can somebody provide an appropriate link showing that demanding women wear head-scarves is an oppressive tactic?
The GOP’s idea of diplomacy is confrontation and threats.
Somewhere along the way they’ve been brainwashed into believing that real men don’t DO diplomacy. That showing any respect to anyone is somehow weak. All tough guy nonsense. The kind of nonsense that’s made us so beloved around the planet (NOT!).
It’s much easier to just reject any real diplomacy out of hand. That way you don’t have to actually DO anything. Other than going on British tv like that awful man Bolton pronouncing the British diplomacy efforts as “pathetic”. Thanks for making more friends for the U.S. jerk!
Either that or they’re just provoking the rest of the world into eternal conflicts and war on purpose.
Probably some of both I suspect.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:32 amZooey:i’m movin to the new post(on Mitt Romney)..See ya there!!
April 4th, 2007 at 11:33 amThere’s nothing wrong with wearing a headscarf you uncultured, uneducated, morons!!!
It is a different country, different culture. When you go to a neighbors house, you act politely and abide by the rules of their house no? I know most of you right wing idiots have never left the country (thank god), but when you do, you respect the culture of the country you are visiting. …When you go to the Vatican, women must wear pants, or skirts/dresses that go below the knee, as a symbol of respect on holy grounds. This is no different.
You idiots lump together valid cultural differences and uncivilized, outdated practices (i.e. stoning for adultery or something) as if they are the same thing
Read a book, …and go to therapy for christ’s sake!
…come to think of it, I think this is probably the only time I’ve ever seen one of you right-wingers pretend to care about women’s rights… morons.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:34 amNo, it’s true….I’ve got the message right here.
Sorry but you don’t…all you have are slow witted insults that make very little sense if any.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:34 amCondi in a mosque with an oppressive scarf….
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p257/johnnyrocket7108/condi.jpg
April 4th, 2007 at 11:34 am#144 – careful, my friend. You may not win 2008, especially with Fascist, oppostion crusher, Hillary at the top of your ticket.
AND the GOP is one seat away from a right-wing majority on the Supreme Court so yes, undoing the “Great Society” is still very doable.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:35 amOh, well in that case, just drive on in and honk your horn and shout at the top of your lungs. I’m sure you’ll just un-oppress all those women with your mighty moral superiority. They’ll simply cast their scarves aside and join in with your chanting.
They wouldn’t at all just be further alienated by a group of loud people, steadfastly refusing to remove the optically impeding plank of wood.
So, Judge Dredd, to paraphrase Alejandro, what would you have done?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:36 amSay what you like about George but Laura Bush is a class act.
Comment by Ringo
Which class was she in when she ran over her boyfriend, who had just dumped her?
Which class was she in when she was dealing drugs at TCU?
I will say what I like about Dumbya, thank you.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:36 amI’ll also say what I like about his Stepford wife.
Classless, perhaps. Certainly not a class act.
“Make a stand saying that women are equal to men”
that’s a great idea. she can start by passing legislation that automatically raises your pay if you are a woman, since here in american, women make 76 cents for every dollar that men make.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:37 am@ #152: …a neo-con calling a democrat a fascist?
…couldn’t be, let me check again…
…yep…
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April 4th, 2007 at 11:38 amComment by johnnyr — April 4, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Where did you find that! I’ve been looking all morning!
<tips hat>
April 4th, 2007 at 11:38 am#
And yet, MEN are allowed to go topless in every trailer park in America!
So how is it not about oppressing women again?
You could not be reaching more here. Have you ever heard an advocate of woman rights complain about not being able to run around topless in a trailer park?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Yes, I have. I married her. (well, except the trailer park thing, she avoids those because they are usually full of republicans)
Why should she be forced to wear a shirt in the summer if I’m not?
Your hypocrisy is showing. You care more about getting in a dig on Pelosi than anything to do with womens’ rights.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:39 am… a little further into the article we learn something else that’s rather interesting.
The meeting with the president enabled us to communicate a message from Prime Minister Olmert that Israel was ready to engage in peace talks as well… – Nancy Pelosi, US House Speaker
[from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6522743.stm ]
So what we have here are two sides in the Middle East agreeing to talk.
When did that happen during ReichWingNut ChristoFascistTerrorist “ownership” of both houses of Congress?
Say what you will about Nancy’s attire. I don’t care. What matters here is that someone just opened the door for real discussion. And it WASN’T the Boy Emperor who did it either. Gannon-Bush wants war! not discussion that might lead to possible peace.
ITMFAs now!
April 4th, 2007 at 11:40 amAnd can somebody provide an appropriate link showing that demanding women wear head-scarves is an oppressive tactic?
How is this? Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric compared women to a piece of meat.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Guys, this whole thing is not a big deal. Whether Laura Bush or Pelosi wore a head scarf is really not important.
The hypocrisy of republicans criticizing Pelosi, but not Laura is somewhat comical, though. I don’t see the distinction some are trying to draw between Pelosi being elected vs Laura not being elected. What, do only elected officials have a duty to try to spread our views of gender equality? Or a greater duty? If so why?
Concerning #54, I don’t know how Pelosi’s visit provided any assistance to Syria. Even if it did, they did withdraw troops from Lebanon, and small assistance now may help with getting them to do those other things. Probably more importantly, though, if we’re talking about doing anything to assist Syria, it’s most likely to try to get them to help us out of our quagmire in Iraq. Our only hope for lessening the catastrophe there is to get the ‘bad guy’ neighbors involved and on the same page. It’s a trade-off I’d be willing to make.
Concerning wearing a head scarf in general… There are a hundred reason why she could have worn the scarf:
#1 – Because it’s required to go in, and they won’t let you in the mosque otherwise, and she just wanted to see the place. Note that this is probably why Laura wore the scarf.
#2 – Because it is more important to have a dialog and an interchange where our people can evaluate their culture and their people can evaluate ours (in theory leading to them realizing our culture has things it would be good to adopt), and in order to have this dialog we need to either give their culture a fair shake, or appear to give their culture a fair shake so they’ll do the same with ours.
#3 – Because it makes her appear less out-in-left-field with some of the other things we would like for their civilization to do, and thus more likely for them to accept these things.
Etc, etc…
The scarf fight has been going on for a while now, and it will continue to go on. It was just not the fight that she wanted to have this day. Change takes time, and a big part of bringing about change is knowing when and where to pick your fights. This is what Pelosi is doing.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:44 amAnd can somebody provide an appropriate link showing that demanding women wear head-scarves is an oppressive tactic?
How is this? Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric compared women to a piece of meat.
Comment by rancidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:42 am
And the appropriate link is……..? Where is it?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:44 amthat’s a great idea. she can start by passing legislation that automatically raises your pay if you are a woman, since here in american, women make 76 cents for every dollar that men make.
I don’t think automatically raising pay for women would help. If anything it would have an adverse effect. Less women would be hired because of a government mandate. The U.S. still has a ways to go for gender equality, but it has gotten much better in the last few decades. We should not go backwards with acts like Pelosi did? What do you think women make in Syria compared to men?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhat ever happened to “When in Rome, do as the Romans do?” Would these cretins criticize a Westerner who removed one’s shoes before entering a Hindu Temple, or a Christian who dons a yarmulke on entering a synagogue? It’s just common decency to accommodate local custom. It doesn’t mean you’re converting.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhy is anyone surprised by the outrage? Conservatives are too blinded by bigotry to see that showing respect for another’s culture while in their country is a good thing. “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”- the simplest of common sense you short-sighted morons.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:45 amAnd your “culture” bombs women and children.
STFU, hypocrite. Go and lecture about morals and rectitude to another place.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:45 amHow is this? Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric compared women to a piece of meat.
Link didn’t work.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html
April 4th, 2007 at 11:46 am# 106 I might be out of touch,
you are
but it certainly worked well for Democrats last year.
care to explain to us how that worked exactly?
If the strategy is to attack your opponent viciously and relentlessly without ever offering a plan, then the GOP needs to start playing that game too.
you mean like swiftboating vetereans, mocking them with purple heart band-aids, and making up stories about veterans capitivity induced mental instability and imaginary black babies? you fookers have been dishing it out but you cant take it very well, can you?
oh wait, no i forgot, your guys strategy is different: yours involves attacking your opponent viciously and relentlessly while offering a plan so insane and ludicrious only a methamphetime addict getting his juice from a gay preacher would think it had any chance of success..
hey, lets bring peace and prowestern secular democracy by force to a country with a history of centuries of internal strife and religious fanaticism!!
Democrats stand for nothing except unfettered hatred for George W. Bush. Well, the GOP can play that game too.
hahahaha. you already did douchebag..to Clinton…
take your medicine and stop whining like a little Bi3tch.
oh and do you all right wing chowderheads screaming about demeaning women agree that women should have as much right to decide what goes on in thier bodies as men do?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:46 amYes, I have. I married her. (well, except the trailer park thing, she avoids those because they are usually full of republicans)
Why should she be forced to wear a shirt in the summer if I’m not?
Your hypocrisy is showing. You care more about getting in a dig on Pelosi than anything to do with womens’ rights.
Women have different parts than men, simple as that. Women not being able to go topless has nothing to do with opression.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:47 amHow is this? Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric compared women to a piece of meat.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Are you a Christian?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:49 amHow very considerate of Pelosi – showing real charm, charisma and very curtious behaviour a wonderful envoy for the future of America
That makes me proud for America
April 4th, 2007 at 11:49 am“Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric compared women to a piece of meat.”
three words: “The Man Show”
April 4th, 2007 at 11:51 amInfact the world will look forward to doing business with America once Bush has been replaced
April 4th, 2007 at 11:51 am“How is this? Australia’s most senior Muslim cleric compared women to a piece of meat.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Are you a Christian?
Comment by unbelievable — April 4, 2007 @ 11:49 am”
he’s male, that’s for sure
April 4th, 2007 at 11:52 amMen with less than adequate “manliness” are the most threatened by a powerful woman.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:53 amI don’t think automatically raising pay for women would help.
Oh yes it would. Only those who want to oppress women would think otherwise.
If anything it would have an adverse effect. Less women would be hired because of a government mandate.
What a load of crock! You claim to want women to be equal – but you’re all for paying us less!
Your comment is a flat out lie. Paying us more would be good for the economy since we’d have more money to spend!
Knew you were full of shite. You never responded to my questions either…
The U.S. still has a ways to go for gender equality, but it has gotten much better in the last few decades. We should not go backwards with acts like Pelosi did? What do you think women make in Syria compared to men?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:45 am
It wasn’t regression – it was progress that they treated her like a diplomatic equal… HUGE progress.
If you really felt that way, you’d be all for equal pay for equal work.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:53 amAre you a Christian?
No
April 4th, 2007 at 11:54 amrabidbunny – pick your battles. it is one thing to twist this into a feminist issue here, but when you are engaged in diplomacy in a very volataile corner of the world, it would be inapproriate AND ineffective to use that meeting as a soapbox for gender equality. it would have been idiotic really.
time and place…
April 4th, 2007 at 11:55 amWomen not being able to go topless has nothing to do with opression.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:47 am
You have nipples, we have nipples. You have breats (some of you have large ones) and we have breasts.
Anatomically, because all life starts out female – the top parts are the same – just come in different sizes.
In Europe, women can go topless.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amthree words: “The Man Showâ€
Five words- Television show not a religion.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amPelosi you can do business with
Bush would probably not even take his shoes off to step inside a mosque
Pelosi shows respect – how wonderful in this day and age of BUSH
April 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amI wonder if Nancy took the time to ask her grinning tour guides at the mosque what they think should be done to the many thousands of her homosexual constituants in San Francisco?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:57 amThanks for the anatomy lesson angry hopper. So women have different parts than men. Maybe that’s why they cover up women? How long have women been blamed for the original sin? Oh that’s right forever.
Bush kisses men and that doesn’t upset you as much as an accessory on a woman. Haven’t looked outside recently. 40% of retail stores are for the purpose of supplying women with accessories.
Now tell me more about the differences between men and women.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:58 amNo
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Are you lying?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:59 amAND the wimpy Democrats will roll over for their favorite fascist leaders. Then, the GOP goes in for the kill.
How Orwellian.
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — April 4, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Ooh LHT – You’re still having those “acid flashbacks” huh. Too bad but they did warn that brain damage might be permanent.
Try some Thorazine, might help you face reality.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:59 amOh yes it would. Only those who want to oppress women would think otherwise.
I am a women-I don’t want women opressed.
What a load of crock! You claim to want women to be equal – but you’re all for paying us less!
Your comment is a flat out lie. Paying us more would be good for the economy since we’d have more money to spend!
Knew you were full of shite. You never responded to my questions either…
Never said I want women to be paid less, I am just against government mandates-they don’t work. As for women being paid more being better for the economy because we would have more money to spend. That is really a bad point. Businesses do not care about getting more money out there to be spent by women. They want to keep as much money as they can, which is why said mandate would not work. They simply would hire less women.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:00 pm- May 2006
Comment by Angry One — April 4, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Is it just me or is Laura less visible these days? What’s up with that? Why no mention by the media?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:01 pmLet’s see what our own majority religion thinks about women:
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
- 1 Corinthians 14
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:02 pm- 1 Tim 2
So you acknowledge that the change at home has been gradual, ie “The last few decades”. And yet, you would have Pelosi strip down and streak into Damascus.
Speaker Pelosi has opened a channel of communication with them. All they got from President Evil and the Republican base was all that “Axis of Evil” crap, and jobs from the outsourcing of torture.
Pelosi’s move is an important first step along the path you claim to desire. The threats, demands and ultimatums you have suggested typify the way the GOP tries ‘diplomacy’, and will only lead in the opposite direction.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:02 pmYou have nipples, we have nipples. You have breats (some of you have large ones) and we have breasts.
Anatomically, because all life starts out female – the top parts are the same – just come in different sizes.
In Europe, women can go topless
Good for Europe-but having women wear shirts is not opression. I’m willing to bet that 95% of women would agree.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI am getting over to Europe some day.
I’ve seen countless high profile women wear the headscarf, its a non-story. I think even some of the stoopits have even seen this countless times. Its a normal thing to do. If the women show too much skin the men tend to spit on them and stuff. I know its not right, but its out of respect for the other cultures.
Now the headscarf, and topless at the same time would be interesting.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:03 pmHmmmm, seems to me a certain Christian implied the exact same thing yesterday.
Do you have a link?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pmevery culture is guilty of that.
Does that mean we should be regressing?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Funny you pretend to be interested in women’s equality when what your angry about is that Pelosi wasn’t subservient to the President’s wishes.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pmRight, because W getting ANY candidates on the Supreme Court now will be SO much easier with a Dem run Senate than it was when the GOP ran things
With ultra-naive thinking like that, your online id should be “Pollyanna”
Also, I’m not a Dem, not a liberal enough party overall for my tastes, I just absolutely despise the GOP at the national level, it’s no better than any bullies who back down with a whimper the first time they get a good, swift, backhand across their mealy mouths
The GOP is the party of terrorist appeasers and Constitution haters, far more at home giving bin Laden, al-Qaeda and the Taliban a free pass than doing the right thing for the US public, which, as we all saw on November 7th, repudiated the GOP’s now worthless “Dems support terrorists, the GOP supports the troops” claptrap
But hey, if the GOP wants to try that loser strategy again, I say sit back and watch the party go through an even worse political massacre in 2008 than the Little Big Horn it went through in November 2006
April 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pmIt’s called a culture that has opressed women for thousands of years.
Comment by rabidbunny
And your “culture†bombs women and children.
STFU, hypocrite. Go and lecture about morals and rectitude to another place.
Comment by Juan C
We all know that there are no other cultures which oppress women.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:06 pm**eyes rolling**
Are you lying?
Nope
April 4th, 2007 at 12:06 pmPelosi’s move is an important first step along the path you claim to desire. The threats, demands and ultimatums you have suggested typify the way the GOP tries ‘diplomacy’, and will only lead in the opposite direction.
I disagree, I believe her standing up would bring more attention to the opression of women by the Mulsim religion.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI am a women-I don’t want women opressed.
Then you should be demanding that we get equal pay for equal work.
Never said I want women to be paid less,
Yes you did.
I am just against government mandates-they don’t work.
Oh really… The government mandates a lot of things that do work. Making murder illegal one of them I’m sure you support. As is a host of other humane and ethical mandates… It’s why we have government in the first place…
As for women being paid more being better for the economy because we would have more money to spend. That is really a bad point.
No, it isn’t. It’s teh exact point that neocons make for giving rich people and Corporations tax breaks. You can’t have it both ways.
Businesses do not care about getting more money out there to be spent by women. They want to keep as much money as they can, which is why said mandate would not work. They simply would hire less women.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Crazy that you actually believe that – but let’s see your proof that your economic model is true.
They wouldn’t hire less women any more than they hire less men for making more. Your assertion is ridiculous at best and dangerous at it’s usual pace.
Women are equals. Until you start acting like it, and stop supporting a party that keeps us unequal, we will continue regress in our own country…
April 4th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI will say what I like about Dumbya, thank you.
I’ll also say what I like about his Stepford wife.
Classless, perhaps. Certainly not a class act.
Comment by Zimzone — April 4, 2007 @ 11:36 am
Thank you! I couldn’t agree more.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:09 pmGood for Europe-but having women wear shirts is not opression.
Then neither is Nancy Pelosi wearing a head scarf.
Either they both are oppression or they both aren’t. You can’t have it both ways.
I’m willing to bet that 95% of women would agree.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
You’d lose… but since yo volunteered – okay – go ahead.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pmWe all know that there are no other cultures which oppress women.
**eyes rolling**
Comment by Zooey
This bunny has been completely discredited here. Poor people come here to express their moral views from a higher standard while defending the killing of innocent people. I dont think how can they sleep at night.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI am getting over to Europe some day.
Comment by ForTruth — April 4, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBravo to Pelosi and to hell with the Bush Regime!
April 4th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI wonder if Nancy took the time to ask her grinning tour guides at the mosque what they think should be done to the many thousands of her homosexual constituants in San Francisco?
Comment by Ringo
No need to tell us what YOU think should be “done to them”, homophobe.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“Five words- Television show not a religion.”
american television is a reflection of american culture, and last i checked, the discussion was based on culture, not religion:
“Who cares if respecting said culture demeans an entire gender right?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:14 pmComment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 10:27 am”
Why is it an offense to show respect to your host country?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:14 pmNever said I want women to be paid less,
Yes you did.
When?
Oh really… The government mandates a lot of things that do work. Making murder illegal one of them I’m sure you support. As is a host of other humane and ethical mandates… It’s why we have government in the first place…
Let me explain further-government mandates in regards to evening the playing field in the workforce do not work.
No, it isn’t. It’s teh exact point that neocons make for giving rich people and Corporations tax breaks. You can’t have it both ways.
Tax breaks take the money from the government so it can be spent. You are saying that money should be taken from businesses to individuals. That does not help the economy, if anything it hurts it because businesses will re-invest that money as the company grows which actually leads to more jobs.
Crazy that you actually believe that – but let’s see your proof that your economic model is true.
They wouldn’t hire less women any more than they hire less men for making more. Your assertion is ridiculous at best and dangerous at it’s usual pace.
Women are equals. Until you start acting like it, and stop supporting a party that keeps us unequal, we will continue regress in our own country…
I do, businesses are going to spend what they are going to spend on salaries. If the government forces them to spend more on women, they will hire less women.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThis falls under the category of good manners, something Republicans have no clue about.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pmamerican television is a reflection of american culture, and last i checked, the discussion was based on culture, not religion:
The culture is driven by religious beliefs, the Man Show is not.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWe should not go backwards with acts like Pelosi did? What do you think women make in Syria compared to men?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:45 am
So you’re an American woman? And you’re not worried about wage equality here buy what women in Syria make? Are you planning on moving to Syria then and that’s why your scarf outrage is so vehement?
Frankly it seems like a trumped up argument about nothing.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIts a non issue when Laura Bush is subservient, cuz thats her job, but if Pelosi is percieved to be subervient, its a problem. So then Pelosi proves she’s not subserviant, which she will, and then the GOPers will be yelling “bitch”. I can see it coming a million miles away.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:16 pmThis bunny has been completely discredited here. Poor people come here to express their moral views from a higher standard while defending the killing of innocent people. I dont think how can they sleep at night.
When did I defend killing innocent people?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:16 pmNope
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Well, we’ll see… I have a feeling that at some point in the future you are highly likely to demonstrate otherwise… Like when it suits your argument.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:17 pmGeez, you people are weird.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:17 pmThen neither is Nancy Pelosi wearing a head scarf.
Either they both are oppression or they both aren’t. You can’t have it both ways.
Wrong-because in the Muslim religion women are considered as less than men, which is the point of the headscarf. Women don’t have to wear shirts because they are less than men. Very different.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:18 pmIf a woman wants to go on the man show a jump on the trampoline, well thats her choice, I’m sure they make more money than I do just for jumping on a friggin trampoline.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:19 pmSo you’re an American woman? And you’re not worried about wage equality here buy what women in Syria make? Are you planning on moving to Syria then and that’s why your scarf outrage is so vehement?
Frankly it seems like a trumped up argument about nothing.
Not my point at all. I am pointing out that women in America made far greater salaries than women in Syria.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWomen have different parts than men, simple as that. Women not being able to go topless has nothing to do with opression.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Obviously you’re not a woman. Different parts…
So your not for equal pay. Besides not having to wear a scarf exactly what empowerment of women are you for?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pmWell, we’ll see… I have a feeling that at some point in the future you are highly likely to demonstrate otherwise… Like when it suits your argument.
Think what you want, but to assume otherwise is pointless as I have never said anything here from a Christian perspective.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pmWhen?
In your initial post. Scroll back.
Let me explain further-government mandates in regards to evening the playing field in the workforce do not work.
Yes they do. Look how far the attitude toward blacks in America has come as a result of Affirmative Action.
Tax breaks take the money from the government so it can be spent. You are saying that money should be taken from businesses to individuals. That does not help the economy, if anything it hurts it because businesses will re-invest that money as the company grows which actually leads to more jobs.
Where do you think the government gets ‘its’ money? Yep – hello! The people who pay most of the taxes… Employees!
As long as CEOs are getting ,million dollar salaries and bonuses, your theory is absurd… The profits don’t go to the Goverenment – they go to the share holders – making the rich richer…
I do, businesses are going to spend what they are going to spend on salaries. If the government forces them to spend more on women, they will hire less women.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Prove that… I bet you cannot. I’ve already explained why.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pmGood for Europe-but having women wear shirts is not opression. I’m willing to bet that 95% of women would agree.
Comment by rabidbunny
Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
April 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pmSo Rabbit,
You must be against the idea of killing innocent people? Or its just collateral damage? Or you just accept whats going on? I don’t get it.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pmNo need to tell us what YOU think should be “done to themâ€, homophobe.
Comment by Not Canadian
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I have no problem with homosexuals. I think that they should be free to live as they please in a free country.
What on earth have I said that would make you call me homophobe?….Or is that just your default slur?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhen did I defend killing innocent people?
Comment by rabidbunny
In past threads and here. You crticize the use of a scarf, because it demeans women (according to you and I agree at some extent), but you dont say anything about the way that your “culture of war” is killing civilians. Thats not an omission, thats hypocresy at its best.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWrong-because in the Muslim religion women are considered as less than men, which is the point of the headscarf.
And so are women in America – hence the government mandate that they wear another form of clothing to cover their breasts. It’s the EXACT same thing…
Women don’t have to wear shirts because they are less than men. Very different.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Yes they do. It’s not different at all. And you’re not even explaining it – just repeating some nonsense you’ve been told. Proof that you have not one clue about what you’re saying.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThey want to keep as much money as they can, which is why said mandate would not work. They simply would hire less women.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Either they need to hire somebody or they don’t. If they have to pay a man or a woman the same amount why would they not hire a woman?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:27 pmRb, I’m more interested in the specifics of your argument; you seem to be stating that requiring women to wear scarves isn’t simply a cultural custom, but a way to express male dominance. It’s a link to proof of that which I’d like to see. Your argument seems to be based on that, that women must wear scarves because men are superior.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:27 pm“I am pointing out that women in America made far greater salaries than women in Syria.”
really going out on a limb there. how bout women in iraq make less than women in syria despite the u.s. “liberating” iraq.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI wonder if Nancy took the time to ask her grinning tour guides at the mosque what they think should be done to the many thousands of her homosexual constituants in San Francisco?
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 11:57 am
The important question is how her constituants in San Francisco ffelt about her trip. After all they vote for her we don’t. If she was my representative I would be very proud indeed. What is your point?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThink what you want, but to assume otherwise is pointless as I have never said anything here from a Christian perspective.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
You already have. LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThis is the type of Islamic garment that oppresses women.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:30 pmIn other news, Dick Cheney shot the Easter Bunny this morning.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThe important question is how her constituants in San Francisco ffelt about her trip. After all they vote for her we don’t. If she was my representative I would be very proud indeed. What is your point?
Comment by shane
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My point is that in most Muslim countries the penalty for homosexuality is death.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:32 pmIn your initial post. Scroll back
Please give an exact quote, because I don’t see it.
Yes they do. Look how far the attitude toward blacks in America has come as a result of Affirmative Action.
I disagree, I don’t believe affirmative action has helped the black community. I believe it has hurt them.
Where do you think the government gets ‘its’ money? Yep – hello! The people who pay most of the taxes… Employees!
As long as CEOs are getting ,million dollar salaries and bonuses, your theory is absurd… The profits don’t go to the Goverenment – they go to the share holders – making the rich richer…
The top 10% wage earners pay 65% of all taxes-so it is the CEOs that you are talking about that pay those taxes. Business taxes pay a large portion of taxes. You really should take an economy class and come back. Also CEOs would not exist if businesses did not feel that it was in their shareholders and profits best interest to have them.
Prove that… I bet you cannot. I’ve already explained why.
And you cannot prove the opposite. Businesses are not going to pay more than is fiscally viable.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:34 pmYou already have. LOL
Please provide quote, I would love to see it.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:34 pmI disagree, I believe her standing up would bring more attention to the opression of women by the Mulsim religion.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
You’re entitled to your opinion but NOTE you haven’t been elected to public office so it’s just an opinion.
Your style of beating every issue to death reminds me of JAKE. Are you trying to pass yourself off as a non-christian woman now?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pmMy point is that in most Muslim countries the penalty for homosexuality is death.
Comment by Ringo
And in your country, the penalty for being black is poverty, prison or the lethal injection.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pmThere would be more car accidents if women decided to to topless.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:37 pmRb, I’m more interested in the specifics of your argument; you seem to be stating that requiring women to wear scarves isn’t simply a cultural custom, but a way to express male dominance. It’s a link to proof of that which I’d like to see. Your argument seems to be based on that, that women must wear scarves because men are superior.
Any source on this subject is going to be biased from either side. I do believe that it is fairly obvious from the link I provided earlier from the Muslim cleric that women are far from equal in the Mulsim religion and he believes that they should not be seen because they are pieces of meat and it is their fault if they are raped.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:37 pmYou’re entitled to your opinion but NOTE you haven’t been elected to public office so it’s just an opinion.
Your style of beating every issue to death reminds me of JAKE. Are you trying to pass yourself off as a non-christian woman now?
No, this is an issue that I am very passionate about. I am merely responding to everybodyt that is adressing me.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:38 pmI absolutely agree that the full body dresses required of some muslim women push equal rights back centuries. I’m just not sure the same is true of wearing head scarves.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pmMs. Pelosi is off to Saudi Arabia next, let’s see if she says anything about the terrible oppression of women in that horid country.
I hope that she does.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:40 pmThat Extra Long Throw Back Niqab is only 28 bucks. Damn, can’t even get the bottom of a bikini for that much.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:41 pmAnd in your country, the penalty for being black is poverty, prison or the lethal injection.
Comment by Juan C
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You are an idiot.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:41 pmAre you aware of how the US is perceived in the middle-east these days? About the level of a dog turd, with the difference that they don’t have a hatred of dog turds.
So no. Muslim women would not suddenly see the light and start burning their bras. They, along with their compatriots of whatever gender, would see another loudmouth bully trying to get their own way by pushing people around. Big loss all round.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:42 pmAnd why give a pass to the First Lady, there as a representative of the President, the Chief Citizen?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI can understand it if she were there on vacation, but she wasn’t. She was acting on behalf of POTUS.
Rabidbunny needs to be put down. This is one of the lamest arguments ever recorded on thread. This was a DIPLOMATIC mission concerning things of more pressing importance than middle eastern women’s wear.
RB – go strap on a burqa or something (juuuuust kidding!)
April 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmrabidbunny
You’ve convinced me. Pelosi hates women in power and, as punishment for her anti-feminism stance in wearing a scarf, she should resign as Speaker of the House and return to be keeper of her house, eat bon-bons, and watch soap operas.
/sarc off
April 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmThat does not help the economy, if anything it hurts it because businesses will re-invest that money as the company grows which actually leads to more jobs.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
You still believe trickle down economics works even when statistics show that under Reagan, Bush and Bush the average person is poorer and the economy is worse. And the deficit always grows.
When the people have more money to spend as in consumer driven economics it is good for business. It is good for the government because they get to collect taxes and lower deficits. Ad it is good for the people you should be able to figure out why yourself.
You hear these lame arguments from your neocon leaders and Fox News and you just dumbly believe they’re true. Why don’t you change the channel and look at the world around you! It’s not all about you and your political choices and your stocks and savings. America used to be about the people and you neocons have destroyed the values that make “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” an achievable goal.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:44 pmYou are an idiot.
Comment by Ringo
You just reached your peak of debating capacity, right?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWhen did I defend killing innocent people?
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Well your against diplomacy in Syria. Why? No money in diplomacy only in war for you neocons.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:47 pmAnd why give a pass to the First Lady, there as a representative of the President, the Chief Citizen?
I can understand it if she were there on vacation, but she wasn’t. She was acting on behalf of POTUS.
The speaker of the house should be held to a higher standard than the first lady. The first lady does not have constituents that elected her, many because she is a stron woman that champions women’s equality. Add that to the fact that she is the first ever woman speaker, what she does as a woman stands out very much.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:48 pmWrong-because in the Muslim religion women are considered as less than men, which is the point of the headscarf. Women don’t have to wear shirts because they are less than men. Very different.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Are you against the Iraq war then? Why are we helping muslims there but we can talk to them in Syria?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:49 pmNot my point at all. I am pointing out that women in America made far greater salaries than women in Syria.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Duh – but that wasn’t the point JAKE!
April 4th, 2007 at 12:50 pmShane,
I disagree, if businesses don’t have the working capital to re-invest and grow it leads to less jobs which in turn hurts the consumer driven economy. It is basic economics.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWell your against diplomacy in Syria. Why? No money in diplomacy only in war for you neocons.
I am not against diplomacy in Syria, I am against women being treated as property as they are in Syria.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:53 pmDuh – but that wasn’t the point JAKE!
What was the point? Also, I am not Jake, I know it may be hard to believe that there is somebody else out there that disagrees with you.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:54 pmPlease give an exact quote, because I don’t see it.
LOL… It’s your post. And it’s in this thread. Try again wabbit… It’s not thathard.
I disagree, I don’t believe affirmative action has helped the black community. I believe it has hurt them.
By allowing them to have jobs equal to whites? That’s hurt them? You are derranged…
The top 10% wage earners pay 65% of all taxes-so it is the CEOs that you are talking about that pay those taxes.
Prove it. Prove they pay them and then don’t get them refunded via loopholes that favor them.
Business taxes pay a large portion of taxes. You really should take an economy class and come back. Also CEOs would not exist if businesses did not feel that it was in their shareholders and profits best interest to have them.
Businesses get lobbiest in DC to write laws to their favor, so that they get their money back in forms of credits, breaks and more profits. The size of their profits is direct proof. You know – proof – somethign which you have not yet given…
I have taken an Economics class… LOL. Explains perhaps why you don’t understand what you’re saying… LOL
And you cannot prove the opposite. Businesses are not going to pay more than is fiscally viable.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
So I see you refuse to prove it. Why is that? Hmmm? Cause you CANNOT…
I, however, cannot prove a negative. Anyone with half a brain would know that…
Business pay what they have to pay to get solid employees – whether male or female. Your theory is insane.
Please provide quote, I would love to see it.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I’ll prove it when you prove all your ‘economy class’ illogic you’ve posted above… LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmMy point is that in most Muslim countries the penalty for homosexuality is death.
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Are you worried that Nancy took a plane full of her constituents and left them there? Many of the backwards areas of this country feel the same. Is Nancy not allowed to visit those states either. How about Texas where they’ve been know to drag black and homosexuals behind cars to their death. Maybe you should call Bush quick and get him to leave Crawford!
April 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIn Iran women are routinely publicly executed – hung by their necks from cranes – for premarital sex.
In Pakistan, if a woman is raped it is she who is charged with a crime.
In Saudi Arabia women are forced to live their entire lives inside of a black bag.
In many Muslim countries young women have their clitoris cut out by family members and their vaginas sewn shut.
In much of the Islamic world child brides are common as is the trading of women as part of inter-tribal agreements.
Throughout the Muslim countries of the world, women are basicly treated like property….yet one almost never hears a peep from Western feminists.
Why?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pmfor any lurkers, the troll talking point has been changed from “pelosi shouldn’t go to syria because it is an evil country and the pres told her not to go” to “pelosi should go to syria, not wear a scarf (even though condi did), and liberate all syrian women, otherwise she’s a failure”
April 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pmI am not against diplomacy in Syria, I am against women being treated as property as they are in Syria.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
But you’re for their oppression here in America where they earn about 75% of what men do? You know it was up to 90% when Clinton was in office…
April 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmNon-Muslim woman aren’t required to wear a scarf while visiting a mosque, however if they wish to wear one, thats their choice. A little bit of respect goes a long way. Nor is it true that people wouldn’t talk to her if she didn’t wear it.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWoman wearing scarves isn’t limited to Islam, and its time people grew up and stopped projecting their demeaning and silly stereotypes on Muslim woman.
#3 spin spin spinaway……….
April 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWomen don’t have to wear shirts because they are less than men. Very different.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Really, men made the decency laws so the little women aren’t encouraging other men to walk off with their chattel.
Frankly I think most men should be required to wear shirts … except those really hot models in the fashion magazines … but that’s a seperate issue.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmThroughout the Muslim countries of the world, women are basicly treated like property….yet one almost never hears a peep from Western feminists.
Why?
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
That’s crap. We not only complain, but we do a lot to stop it. The reason you don’t hear about it much is because in our own oppressing womne’s issues media, they don’t mention it…
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=feminists+muslim+women&btnG=Search
You neocons are funny. Christianity is oppressive of women, yet you support a party beholden to it. LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pmrabidbunny –
Your clearly ethnocentric view of the world screams of someone who has never visited a country outside of North America, or Western Europe nor taken the time to learn about other cultures outside of the those regions. Because you feel it is disrespectful it must be. That’s great. However, in many cultures protecting (which is how some cultures view the veil) women is a sign of enormous respect. Remember while you are up on your high horse that in some cases their is no right answer only differences. Some of those difference in the right situations should be celebrated not chastised.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThe top 10% wage earners pay 65% of all taxes-so it is the CEOs that you are talking about that pay those taxes
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
That was before Bush tax cuts. And that’s the top 10% not the top 1% where the CEOs live.
Show us current, non-partisan, data to support this bogus claim.
Let’s see if I make $20 million a year and had to live on half look at all the things I couldn’t buy.
If I make $20 thousand a year and have to live on $15 look at all the things I can buy.
Everybody earning a living wage is what drives the economy and puts money on the tax rolls. If your people hadn’t wasted so much time and energy abusing Clinton because he wasn’t Republican and got a blow job maybe you all would have learned something.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThere would be more car accidents if women decided to to topless.
Comment by ForTruth — April 4, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
Not if you let your wife drive. ;-)
April 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmNo, this is an issue that I am very passionate about. I am merely responding to everybodyt that is adressing me.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Again with the JAKEisms. Are you going to start an ignore list?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pmYou neocons are funny. Christianity is oppressive of women, yet you support a party beholden to it. LOL
Comment by unbelievable — April 4, 2007
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How is Christianity oppressive of women?
Also, what have I said that would make you think that I’m a neocon? Most neocons are not very religious or are no Christian at all. As far as I know, the neo-conservative position has always been that people should be free to practice their religion freely or not at all, that religion is an individual choice.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pmThe story idea I pitched to NPR today.
I have a great idea for an investigative piece. You could have a reporter look into why every hourly newsbreak broadcast today, 4 Mar 07 has led with the story of Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to Syria and the White House condemnation of her visit but have not mentioned the visit of Virginia Republican Frank Wolf, Pennsylvania Republican Joe Pitts and Alabama Republican Robert Aderholt and their Sunday meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Asad.
Think they’ll get someone on it.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:17 pmExcellent Idea Shane. Matter of fact, many times I prefer she drive. The fun of driving is long gone.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmRabbit,
You didn’t respond to me ya bitch.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pmLOL… It’s your post. And it’s in this thread. Try again wabbit… It’s not thathard.
It’s not there and you know it.
By allowing them to have jobs equal to whites? That’s hurt them? You are derranged…
It has given unqualified minorities positions they are not qualified which has lead to resentment from people that didn’t get a job or into a school they were qualified because of quotas, it only perpetuates racism.
I have taken an Economics class… LOL. Explains perhaps why you don’t understand what you’re saying… LOL
I am a CPA, I have taken many econimcs classes.
So I see you refuse to prove it. Why is that? Hmmm? Cause you CANNOT…
I, however, cannot prove a negative. Anyone with half a brain would know that…
Business pay what they have to pay to get solid employees – whether male or female. Your theory is insane.
You have yet to prove anything. The market should drive salaries, not the government. As for me not proving, how can I prove something of a fictional scenario you have concocted? There is no way to prove it, because there is no sample or test data.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pmI saw a Star Trek episode where they encountered a planet run by women. (of course they were hot). I was real young at the time and I liked it then, I still like it now.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmFrankly I think most men should be required to wear shirts … except those really hot models in the fashion magazines … but that’s a seperate issue.
Works for me!
April 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by unbelievable
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BTW about half of the articles from your Google link are from Islamic websites explaining how women are more free under Islam.
I’m afraid that for most Leftists, multi-culturalism trumps feminism these days.
Sorry.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmRabbit,
You didn’t respond to me ya bitch.
Sorry, please re-post I have a lot of people coming at me from all angles.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThe speaker of the house should be held to a higher standard than the first lady. The first lady does not have constituents that elected her, many because she is a stron woman that champions women’s equality. Add that to the fact that she is the first ever woman speaker, what she does as a woman stands out very much.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:48
I don’t see any of her constituents complaining. It’s pretty obvious you don’t live in her district but if you did you wouldn’t have voted for her.
Why should she answer to neocons, Bush doesn’t answer to the Democrats who elected a majority of the congress. He’s going to veto the bill that we think already has too many concessions.
She earned her way to be Speaker of the House and you’re worried that a scarf is going to demean her. What has Laura earned as a woman. She’s a librarian that married a man who doesn’t read. Quite the accomplishment, if you like Stepford Wives. Do you LIKE Stepford Wives and you still haven’t answered if you’re a woman or not.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:22 pmBut you’re for their oppression here in America where they earn about 75% of what men do? You know it was up to 90% when Clinton was in office…
You are putting words in my mouth. I said I am against government mandated regulation of wages. There is a difference, I believe women should make the same as men for the same job.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:23 pm“Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” (I Timothy 2:11-12)
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church . . . Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.” (Colossians 3:18)
“Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.” (I Peter 3:1)
“That they [aged women] may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.” (Titus 2:4-5)
That was easy
April 4th, 2007 at 1:25 pmI disagree, if businesses don’t have the working capital to re-invest and grow it leads to less jobs which in turn hurts the consumer driven economy. It is basic economics.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
There is no such think as “basic economics” sorry.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThe old adages is “If you you put a million economists in a row they still couldn’t reach a conclusion.” Did you think because Fox News tells you that’s basic economics its true.
I don’t see any of her constituents complaining. It’s pretty obvious you don’t live in her district but if you did you wouldn’t have voted for her.
She holds the highest political office ever by a woman, she has been praised for her trailblazing as a woman. I would have voted for her, I think we need more women in public office, which is why I am so upset with this incident.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmLaura Bush and Pelosi were wrong for wearing that. It is time we on both sides of party lines stopped appeasing the “religion of peace” and exposed them for what they truly are. Let’s all start acting like Americans and not like citizens of the world.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmWhat was the point? Also, I am not Jake, I know it may be hard to believe that there is somebody else out there that disagrees with you.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Yeah because you’re the only troll around here. And I think you are Jake. It took you long enough to deny it though. So if you’re not are you a woman, you still haven’t answered yet.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:29 pmklyde,
Sounds like solid advice to me.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThe speaker of the house should be held to a higher standard than the first lady. bla bla bla
–some rightwing nit wit
Um, how about Condi? She’s, y’know, um, a high gubmint official ‘n’ stuff. Often considered the most important office in the Executive after the President. And she wore one too.
God you people are dim.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:30 pmhttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:eyuWx-cCAAcJ6M:http://dushanbe.usembassy.gov/uploads
GOPer thy name is hypocrisy
Rethugs are the party of smear and fear (and abject failure)
April 4th, 2007 at 1:30 pmYES BUT THAT WAS WRITTEN 2000 YEARS AGO AND THE CHRISTIAN FAITH HAS PROGRESSED WHILE ISLAM IS STILL LIVING IN THE DARK AGES BUT WITH NUKES!!!!
“Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.†(I Corinthians 14:34-35)
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.†(I Timothy 2:11-12)
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church . . . Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.†(Ephesians 5:22-24)
“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.†(Colossians 3:18)
“Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.†(I Peter 3:1)
“That they [aged women] may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.†(Titus 2:4-5)
That was easy
Comment by klyde — April 4, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
April 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmThe market should drive salaries, not the government.
Comment by rabidbunny
True. And false.
True = the market should determine the value of a particular job and, therefore, the salary.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:33 pmFalse = the market should not be used as an excuse for unfair discrimination and to determine the value of the person and, therefore, the person’s salary, based only on class traits such as gender, race, creed, etc. This should be regulated by the government, the guardian of the general welfare and individual rights.
In many Muslim countries young women have their clitoris cut out by family members and their vaginas sewn shut.
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Sorry but this happens in sub-saharan Africa where Christian missionaries had to go mess with peoples way of life. Basically they are still tribal or Christian. Except in Dharfour where Muslims are invading and killing off the locals. Maybe you want to research that last post and check all your facts.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmPelosi is a God hating, Gun controlling Eletist Bitch…Screw her!
April 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmDailykos has a nice picture of Conddi wearing a scarf when she visited the middle east. I believe that as secretary of state she i s in line for the throne too, and I heard no criticism of her. SO that puts to rest the whole notion of pelosi being in line for the presidency and the lack of Laura criiticiism simply aiids in pointing out the two faced hypocricy of the right.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:39 pmExcellent Idea Shane. Matter of fact, many times I prefer she drive. The fun of driving is long gone.
Comment by ForTruth — April 4, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Your safety is my number one concern. Besides with all the time we have to waste bobbing and weaving with these trolls who can see clearly. I like my husband to drive too but I wouldn’t let him at a topless beach.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHELLO – Are most of you just IGNORANT about the hijab (Islamic scarf) or just in great fear of a piece of fabric???
The hijab is ordained by GOD, not man. That is why we wear it. It doesn’t make us subservient to ANYONE except to GOD…or have all you so called religious folks forgotten that we submit to our Creator? We love our hijab and pienty is more essential than fashion.
You people really TRY not to understand other cultures. Go ask a practicing Muslim woman why she wears it. Hijab is about MODESTY for MEN and women. Men, first and foremost are required to be modest and submit – to GOD.
You people kill me with you ignorance of the most simple things.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:42 pmRabbit,
You didn’t respond to me ya bitch.
Comment by ForTruth — April 4, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
I think Jake has turned into a non-christian, female rabbit. We need Zooey to make the call though.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:42 pmThanks Mark, and here’s the link:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/4/4/115721/7509
Shame on you hypocritical, backwater GOPers.
Go f*ck yourselves.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmYeah because you’re the only troll around here. And I think you are Jake. It took you long enough to deny it though. So if you’re not are you a woman, you still haven’t answered yet.
Yes, I said I was a woman above.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAre you going to start an ignore list?
Does this site have an ignore button?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:45 pmSpoken like a true imperialist.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:45 pmDailykos has a nice picture of Conddi wearing a scarf when she visited the middle east. I believe that as secretary of state she i s in line for the throne too, and I heard no criticism of her. SO that puts to rest the whole notion of pelosi being in line for the presidency and the lack of Laura criiticiism simply aiids in pointing out the two faced hypocricy of the right.
Thanks for pointing that out…I have never been a fan of Condi.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI would have voted for her, I think we need more women in public office, which is why I am so upset with this incident.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
BULLSHIT
April 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmHELLO – Are most of you just IGNORANT about the hijab (Islamic scarf) or just in great fear of a piece of fabric???
The hijab is ordained by GOD, not man. That is why we wear it. It doesn’t make us subservient to ANYONE except to GOD…or have all you so called religious folks forgotten that we submit to our Creator? We love our hijab and pienty is more essential than fashion.
You people really TRY not to understand other cultures. Go ask a practicing Muslim woman why she wears it. Hijab is about MODESTY for MEN and women. Men, first and foremost are required to be modest and submit – to GOD.
You people kill me with you ignorance of the most simple things.
So do you believe that women are considered equal by Muslim men?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPelosi is a God hating, Gun controlling Eletist Bitch…Screw her!
April 4th, 2007 at 1:48 pmComment by FredHead — April 4, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
what’s an Eletist?
Comment by stellabella — April 4, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
We had nukes first and we used them, dumbass.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:48 pmSorry for the size @290 here is a better view of rethug hypocrisy in action.
http://dushanbe.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/_BOMKTxte1nib6JWw-mvHA/pg_101305.JPG
Rethugs the party of smear and fear (and abject failure)
April 4th, 2007 at 1:49 pmWHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO AFRAID OF A VEIL??????????
You don’t even correctly understand its purpose and place in Islamic society. So for all your “astute criticism” you are very ignorant of the most basic understanding of Islam and actually BELIEVE what you are being fed to by the media and your ministers.
If you want to truly have knowledge and understand something contextually have the balls to go talk to a practicing Muslim!
They are just as easily shocked by us when fathers stand so proudly next to their 15 year old daughters wearing bikinis. They think we prematurely sexualize our childern….hmmmm – gee any truth in that.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThe real issue is why is Nancy Pelosi negotiating with terrorists? Just what does she expect to gain, seriously?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHow is Christianity oppressive of women?
You must be kidding me… There are a couple Bible quotes I listed above for starters. They see women as subservient to men, essentially. It’s why we have no Equal Rights Amendment in our country and not only pay women less, but think we have a right to control their uteruses.
Also, what have I said that would make you think that I’m a neocon? Most neocons are not very religious or are no Christian at all.
Nost neocons are EXTREMELY religious. They thump the Bible – which they believe is a literal document…
As far as I know, the neo-conservative position has always been that people should be free to practice their religion freely or not at all, that religion is an individual choice.
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Not even close. The neocon position is that everyone should be forced to be Christian, that America should be run as a theocracy and that anyone unlike them should be killed.
Go read the bible – it’s all in there. It’s also a motivating reason why so many former Christians are Atheists.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmRapidbunny: “I said I am against government mandated regulation of wages. There is a difference, I believe women should make the same as men for the same job.”
What would you suggest? Asking corporations nicely? Maybe we could add a “pretty please with sugar on top.” How would you suggest that we, as a society, make womens’ incomes equal to men?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:51 pmTrue. And false.
True = the market should determine the value of a particular job and, therefore, the salary.
False = the market should not be used as an excuse for unfair discrimination and to determine the value of the person and, therefore, the person’s salary, based only on class traits such as gender, race, creed, etc. This should be regulated by the government, the guardian of the general welfare and individual rights.
I think we are past that, mostly. It would be a disaster if the governemnt tried to mandate what a woman should make for every job, does anybody actually think they could get that right. The government should penalize companies for blatant discrimination-which is what lawsuits have done. It is not in the best interest of the country for the government to determine what everybody should be paid.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSee http://www.faithfreedom.org for the true face of Islam.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pmReally people…when you see nuns and orthodox Jewish women wear habits and scarves – do you think THEY are oppressed?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmAll these women wear it because they are devout women of their faith. Why are you such hypocrites toward the Muslims when most of you don’t know any Muslims nor take the time to ASK and UNDERSTAND anything about their faith.
What would you suggest? Asking corporations nicely? Maybe we could add a “pretty please with sugar on top.†How would you suggest that we, as a society, make womens’ incomes equal to men?
Public pressure, education, lawsuits for blatant discrimination. Time have evolved, women are no longer under the thumb of ingorant men in power. Consider where we were 50 years ago and where we are now, it takes time.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmrabidbunny, you brush off Condi’s scarf but launch into Pelosi and you don’t see a double standard. Your argument isn’t holding much water. Here’s a Bush insider and not just someone who married the asshat. She’s wearing a scarf.
So to sum it up. Hate Pelosi/democrats so all they do is bad. Love Bush/republicans so ignore any same situation. It would get in the way or your hatred.
I just imagine this angry little rabbit bouncing all over the place, not knowing what to do and where to go.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmIt’s not there and you know it.
Yes it is. It’s the comment that provoked this exchange. Can’t remember what you’ve said?
It has given unqualified minorities positions they are not qualified which has lead to resentment from people that didn’t get a job or into a school they were qualified because of quotas, it only perpetuates racism.
Prove that.
I am a CPA, I have taken many econimcs classes.
A CPA who can spell Economics, not once, but twice, sure you are…
Are you okay making 75% of what men do? Why?
You have yet to prove anything.
It’s you who has the burden of proff. You’re the one who made the claims. Prove that Trickle Down works. I maintain that you cannot because it’s been shown that it does not.
The market should drive salaries, not the government. As for me not proving, how can I prove something of a fictional scenario you have concocted? There is no way to prove it, because there is no sample or test data.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
I asked you to prove YOUR claims. You just keep shwoing that besides a lack of reading comprehension, you have no proof for the crap you spout. Typical Republican.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe name “unbelievable” really fits. Are you just someone posing, spouting the most ridiculous of nonsense to eliminate any credibility that the positions of the Left might have?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmBluedog49,
I would suggest that women learn to negotiate better before accepting a job.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:56 pm[...] Nancy Pelosi, Laura Bush, and the hijab: here. [...]
April 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmDavid: “Just what does she expect to gain, seriously?”
1. Peace.
2. Cooperation with the government of Syria.
3. A lessening of tension between Syria and Isreal.
4. More leverage in bargaining with the government of Iran.
You know, David — the kinds of things we achieve through diplomacy. Rather than just call them terrorists and refuse to speak with them, we instead talk with them. I know, I know, it’s a very alien concept to Bush cultists, but trust me, this kind of thing has worked in the past. Calm down and don’t worry your pretty little head about it.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmokay rancidJakebunny,
Let’s try to dummy this down to a clear black and white picture, shall we?
Muslims believe that the scarf is a required attire to humble oneself before Allah, especially when entering their holy site (mosque).
April 4th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWhat Mrs. Pelosi did was respect their beliefs (as did Rice and Bush), and in no way was she defeminized.
Got it? good, because your arguments are baseless.
Now be a good girl (boy) and find another topic to discuss (ha)
rabidbunny, you brush off Condi’s scarf but launch into Pelosi and you don’t see a double standard. Your argument isn’t holding much water. Here’s a Bush insider and not just someone who married the asshat. She’s wearing a scarf.
So to sum it up. Hate Pelosi/democrats so all they do is bad. Love Bush/republicans so ignore any same situation. It would get in the way or your hatred.
I just imagine this angry little rabbit bouncing all over the place, not knowing what to do and where to go.
Here is what I said regarding Condi, I do not like her.
Thanks for pointing that out…I have never been a fan of Condi.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:01 pmBTW about half of the articles from your Google link are from Islamic websites explaining how women are more free under Islam.
You’re supposed to be bright enough to ignore the propaganda and focus on the fact that there were many articles on how Feminism is being encouraged in Muslim countries that degrade women – since it was the point of your post…
I’m afraid that for most Leftists, multi-culturalism trumps feminism these days.
Paranoia is your specialty, we know. However, you’re absolutistic if you think that one must pick a cause and blindly fight every battle in its name. You should, if normal, be able to pick your battles wisely. Unfortunately, you cons cannot do this and you haveto look to religions, authority figures and the sort to tell you what to think.
Sorry.
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Don’t be sorry – just quit being an apologist for the right-wing haters and hypocrites.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:01 pmRepublican diplomacy in all its laughable, ineffective glory. Perfect case in point.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:03 pmDavid: “I would suggest that women learn to negotiate better before accepting a job.”
History shows that the best way for any workers to negotiate better wages is to be part of a strong union. If you think this is simply a matter of better negotiating, I assume you back powerful labor unions. If not, what the hell are you even talking about with your “learn to negotiate” blather?
April 4th, 2007 at 2:06 pmYou are putting words in my mouth. I said I am against government mandated regulation of wages. There is a difference, I believe women should make the same as men for the same job.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
You wrote your own comments. Not my problem if you can use logic to realize that they don’t align.
Women should be paid equally. Sometimes it takes a government to get it for us (they gave us suffrage as well, you know… Or do you think women voting has the same misogynist effect for us as Affirmative Action has for blacks? LOL). As I pointed out and you ignored – it’s why we have government.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe real issue is why is Nancy Pelosi negotiating with terrorists?
April 4th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by DavidWit — April 4, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Nancy is talking with Saudi Arabia?
Huh.
I. Did. Not. Know. That!
AND IF WE HAD ANY BALLS NOW AS WE DID BACK THEN, WE WOULD USE THEM. But no. People like you would rather hug a terrorist than kill him. God help us.
We had nukes first and we used them, dumbass.
Comment by shane — April 4, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
April 4th, 2007 at 2:07 pm[...] Oh wait…. [...]
April 4th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhen in Rome . . . . .
April 4th, 2007 at 2:09 pmLet’s all start acting like Americans and not like citizens of the world.
Comment by stellabella — April 4, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
We ARE citizens of the World… And we should act like it. As acting like Americans is what got us into this current debacle of affairs to begin with…
April 4th, 2007 at 2:09 pmSounds like solid advice to me.
Comment by Ringo — April 4, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Then you are a raving lunactic.
Let’s treat you as you wish to treat others and see if you still feel that way. Freak.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pmhotheaded hare, you mention condi’s name and that’s on even par with your angry rants about Pelosi?
Bounce, bounce, bitch and bounce.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pmAh, american education at the hands of liberals has failed us once again. Imperialism means the policy of extending a nation’s authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations, countries, or colonies. Acting like an American is not imperialism. It means loving your country and your freedoms. Try protesting in Iran about how much you hate the President of Iran in Iran. You would be beheaded.
Spoken like a true imperialist.
Comment by Loonie — April 4, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
April 4th, 2007 at 2:12 pmYes it is. It’s the comment that provoked this exchange. Can’t remember what you’ve said?
You won’t quote it…because it doesn’t exist.
A CPA who can spell Economics, not once, but twice, sure you are…
Are you okay making 75% of what men do? Why?
Oh my, I spelled a word wrong, that says more about my typing ability than anything. I am used to 10-key, I’m not very good at typing, maybe you should concentrate on more important stuff than typos.
It’s you who has the burden of proff. You’re the one who made the claims. Prove that Trickle Down works. I maintain that you cannot because it’s been shown that it does not.
Why is the burden of proof on me? You are saying that mandating higher salaries would work-how?
I asked you to prove YOUR claims. You just keep shwoing that besides a lack of reading comprehension, you have no proof for the crap you spout. Typical Republican.
You continue to ask me to do things that you are unwilling to do-typical deomocrat.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:13 pmMy dear Rabidbunny… I am a Muslim woman and I KNOW my faith and extremely proud and honored to wear my hijab. It forces people to deal with ME, my intellect, my character and talents rather than my looks first. It is very elegant in many countries and my Muslim sisters are some tough, astute, gracious and educated mamasitas! I am so proud of all the women I know.
Do you think that a person who can wear hijab in this country, surrounded by hostilities and the ignorance about it a “weak” person. Quite the opposite. It is IRON WILL. Because we know Islam and love our faith despite how people lie about what we truly believe.
Men and women in the Quran are COMPLETELY EQUAL in the eyes of God and the community. Do not take translations of Qur’anic verse as being Qur’an. It is not considered the Quran- they are ONLY translations at best trying to give a meaning in another language with no contextual reference. Also, even Muslim scholars use these verses contrary to the spirit in which they were revealed at the time.
If you are REALLY interested in the truth of Islam from a practicing Muslim woman let me know – we can have a nice dialogue.
Now, if you want to talk about women’s rights in “Muslim” countries – let’s please qualify that they are not following the spirit nor letter of Islamic law – quite the opposite.
I can give you many, many examples to give you a more correct understanding of women’s rights under Islam which is far and away superior to anything Christianity and Judaism had to offer to their adherents 1400 years ago as well as TODAY. You would be quite shocked ; )
People of all faiths have to acknowledge that human beings fall short of Divine dictates that are created to make the life of Mankind easier and to his greater benefit socially, civically, spiritually, economically.
Feel free to ask.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:14 pmWomen should be paid equally. Sometimes it takes a government to get it for us (they gave us suffrage as well, you know… Or do you think women voting has the same misogynist effect for us as Affirmative Action has for blacks? LOL). As I pointed out and you ignored – it’s why we have government.
Giving women the right to vote and picking what they should make for each job are completely different and you know it.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI think we are past that, mostly. It would be a disaster if the governemnt tried to mandate what a woman should make for every job
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
No one is advocating THAT! Don’t be ridiculous. All a company has to do is show how they are paying men and women with equal job responsibilities equal pay. It’s not that hard to do. Most companies already keep such records – it would just be a matter of formatting it to show proof that women are paid equally for equal work…
Sheesh, must you turn everything into an exercise in extremism?
April 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmTime have evolved, women are no longer under the thumb of ingorant men in power.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Bullsh!t! Compare us to other Industrialized Nations to see how far behind we are…
April 4th, 2007 at 2:20 pmBut being a citizen of the world therefore implies getting involved in everyone’s business. Back to the Imperial word again. A real citizen of the world does not sit back and watch 1000’s get murdered and looks the other way. A real citizen fights for what is right to save the rest of the world. So if you are a citizen of the world as you claim you are, then you should be for the war in Iraq and ending terrorism in every square inch on this planet and supporting freedom for all.
We ARE citizens of the World… And we should act like it. As acting like Americans is what got us into this current debacle of affairs to begin with…
Comment by unbelievable — April 4, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
April 4th, 2007 at 2:20 pmSec State is fourth in line for presidential succession. rice is arguably the 2nd most powerful woman in the US. I’m appalled that she would debase herself and embarass the US by showing respect for another nation’s cultural sensibilities.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThe name “unbelievable†really fits.
Unbeliever = Atheist – yes, it does fit.
Are you just someone posing, spouting the most ridiculous of nonsense to eliminate any credibility that the positions of the Left might have?
Comment by David — April 4, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Offended by the fact that I can easily prove how oppressive and obsolete your religion is? LOL. It’s funny that you can’t defend against my points, you you try to insult me. Sad attempt David. It’s what happens when religion eats your brain and you can no longer think for yourself… LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 2:23 pmThanks for the photo of the white house hypocrites! Manslaughter Laura wore one and really looked like the village eegiet!
April 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmAbdallac,
I appreciate your perspective. However, from everything I see in countries that are Muslim, it is impossible to come to the conclusions that women are equal to men. The Muslim religion at inception may very well have been equal for men and women and veils may have not been a sign of opression. If that is the case, then the name of the relgion has been corrupted beyond repair. Men in countries in the name of Islam have made veils into a sign of opression.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI come from a country with quite a history of imperialism. I am well aware of the traits of imperialism. And also the damage it does. And the typical attitude of moral superiority inherent in the mindset of imperialism and nationalism.
You fit the bill perfectly. You proudly admit you are an American first, and a human being second.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmYou won’t quote it…because it doesn’t exist.
No, because I won’t do your homework for you.
Oh my, I spelled a word wrong, that says more about my typing ability than anything. I am used to 10-key, I’m not very good at typing, maybe you should concentrate on more important stuff than typos.
It’s not ‘typos’ to be unable to spell what you do for a living… Yuou know- the thing you see and do everyday… It means that you are probably lying about it.
Why is the burden of proof on me? You are saying that mandating higher salaries would work-how?
The burden of proof is on you to prove what you claim. I’ve proven what I’ve claimed.
You continue to ask me to do things that you are unwilling to do-typical deomocrat.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
I’ve done what I said. You have not. You’ve just argued the issue to divert from the fact that you can’t prove YOUR own claims. LOL If I’m wrong – the prove Trickle Down works and that paying women equally with men will land us fewer jobs. Prove those things that YOU claimed.
I’m not a Democrat. Shows how little you know.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmNo one is advocating THAT! Don’t be ridiculous. All a company has to do is show how they are paying men and women with equal job responsibilities equal pay. It’s not that hard to do. Most companies already keep such records – it would just be a matter of formatting it to show proof that women are paid equally for equal work…
Sheesh, must you turn everything into an exercise in extremism?
You know that would be impossible to regulate. What if two people are doing equal jobs, but the man is doing it much better? How is that going to be determined. You couldn’t go to performance appraisals, because they are done by the same people determining the pay. It cannot be done. It would be a gross waste of tax payers dollars and would accomplish nothing.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:32 pmOffended by the fact that I can easily prove how oppressive and obsolete your religion is? LOL. It’s funny that you can’t defend against my points, you you try to insult me. Sad attempt David. It’s what happens when religion eats your brain and you can no longer think for yourself… LOL
Why are you so quick to say Christianity is opressive to women, but don’t admit that Islam is? Your hatred for Christianity seems to have eaten away at your brain much like you say Christianity has for David.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#336 Comment by Abdallac — April 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Excellent post. Thank you for your perspective.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGiving women the right to vote and picking what they should make for each job are completely different and you know it.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Firstly, I never said anything about picking what women should make…
Secondly, women’s suffrage and women’s equal pay for equal work are the same issue in terms of government protection.
Thirdly, I was actually equating the supposed negative consequences of women voting with the supposed negative consequences blacks having Affirmative Action (the later that that YOU suggested was the case) – as both ar e the consequences of government mandates.
If you don’t like being proven ridiculous, you shouldn’t post here.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pmRABID BUNNY – did you read my response above ? let me know.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pmBut being a citizen of the world therefore implies getting involved in everyone’s business.
No it doesn’t. Being a citizen of your neighborhood doesn’t require you to get into your neighbors personal business either. It simply means that you are respectful of your home…
Back to the Imperial word again. A real citizen of the world does not sit back and watch 1000’s get murdered and looks the other way. A real citizen fights for what is right to save the rest of the world.
That’s your definition. It doesn’t mean it’s everyone else’s – or anyone else’s for that matter.
So if you are a citizen of the world as you claim you are, then you should be for the war in Iraq and ending terrorism in every square inch on this planet and supporting freedom for all.
Comment by stellabella — April 4, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
The opposite. It means that I support peace and peaceful means.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pmNo, because I won’t do your homework for you.
I have read and re-read each one and no place did I say that women should not make equal pay. Since you cannot get this one fact down, all of your other points have no credibility. As for not spelling economics correctly I am a CPA, Certified Public Accountant, not an economist. So I am not mis-spelling what I do for a living. Your lack of ability to grasp even the simpliest of logic is mind boggling.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pmfrom everything I see in countries that are Muslim, it is impossible to come to the conclusions that women are equal to men.
Comment byJake’s rancidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Ummmm, there was this one country, where women were equal, where women could got to any university, where women could make as much as men, where women were free to choose their religion, where women could even hold a position in the government.
Yessiree bob, women were equal.
What was that country, you ask?
Why Iraq, 2002!
April 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pmRABID BUNNY – did you read my response above ? let me know.
Comment by Abdallac — April 4, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
What # is it? I don’t see it.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pmYou know that would be impossible to regulate.
No it wouldn’t. I used to work for a firmwho had a form with everyone’s salaries on it. The Accounting Department updated it monthly. Someone found where they kept it on the server and emailed the link to others. We were able to see what they paid whom…
What if two people are doing equal jobs, but the man is doing it much better?
Better assignments, bigger bonuses, and faster promotions.
Though, in my expereince, that is rarely the case.
How is that going to be determined. You couldn’t go to performance appraisals, because they are done by the same people determining the pay. It cannot be done.
Yes it can, and I just showed you how.
It would be a gross waste of tax payers dollars and would accomplish nothing.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
It would be a better use of tax payer money that say the Iraq Occupation…
It would accomplish equal pay for equal work.
Unless you like being subservient so that it gives you the right to feel that men should pay for your dinners, and gives you something to bitch about…
April 4th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhy Iraq, 2002!
Comment by DRxJ
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Ahhh yes…The liberal paradise of Baathist Iraq.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:46 pmRapidbunny: “What if two people are doing equal jobs, but the man is doing it much better? How is that going to be determined.”
Probably the same way it’s determined when two men are doing the same job and one does it better – results. This isn’t about that. This is about men and women doing the SAME work, but getting paid differently.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWell then RabidBunny – you obviously have closed yourself off to learning about the broader Islamic community of 1.3 Billion people the majority of which does not oppress women.
Frankly, I think you will be surprised to find most Muslim women find western women the ones who are oppressed and victims of mysognistic societies.
We can throw stones at each other, but there is a lot of road to travel for true equality on either side. We are ALL brothers and sisters. And yes, YOU RABIDBUNNY are my sister. My sister in humanity and this is why I must engage dialogue with you.
You should not look down your nose at other cultures because they don’t dress or express the same opinions as you. We don’t have to look like you or think as you do. However, we ALL have to live together and grow to understand one another.
One love, babe. Only correct knowledge leads us to truth. We should all seek it from its best sources.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:48 pmNo it wouldn’t. I used to work for a firmwho had a form with everyone’s salaries on it. The Accounting Department updated it monthly. Someone found where they kept it on the server and emailed the link to others. We were able to see what they paid whom…
Still fails to show how the government could regulate it.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWhy are you so quick to say Christianity is opressive to women,
Because it is.
but don’t admit that Islam is?
I admit that Islam is oppressive to women. I just don’t admit that Nancy Pelosi wearing a head scarf during a political meeting equates support for it. I believe you should pick your battles wisely – and that this isn’t one of them.
Your hatred for Christianity seems to have eaten away at your brain much like you say Christianity has for David.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
I don’t hate Christianity. I think all religions are equally absurd and ridiculous.
I find it very interesting that someone who says she isn’t a Christian will knock Islam but defend it’s cousin, Christianity, another monotheistic religion that oppresses women. I told you that if given time, you’d reveal that you were lying…
April 4th, 2007 at 2:50 pmUnbelievable, you no doubt consider yourself a person of reason, but arguing that my religious persuasion (of which you have no knowledge whatsoever) affects my thinking is an argument that is both irrational, devoid of logic, and patently absurd.
You’re going to have to do much better, or the audience will continue to chuckle at your diatribes.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAhh yes..The women’s paradise that is present day Iraq
http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-hassan101005.htm
April 4th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI have read and re-read each one and no place did I say that women should not make equal pay.
It’s not my fault that you’re stupid.
Since you cannot get this one fact down, all of your other points have no credibility. As for not spelling economics correctly I am a CPA, Certified Public Accountant, not an economist. So I am not mis-spelling what I do for a living. Your lack of ability to grasp even the simpliest of logic is mind boggling.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Ah, I see you’ve chosen to ignore the rest of my post that said that you should prove YOUR claims. I knew you couldn’t, because even Wikipedia has clear evidence that Trickle Down Theory is busted.
You’re saying Accounting has nothing to do with Economics? ROTFL…
You’re NOT using logic. You’re using opinion and then whining… commonly known as ILLOGIC. No wonder my logic trails confuse your tiny little brain. LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pmAbdallc,
I appreciate your perspective, obviously you are speaking from a different point of view than I. With that being said, I only can see what is out there, and of course not all Muslim women are opressed, but in countries that are considered Mulsim they usually are.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pmLiberalism is a terrorist’s greatest weapon against America…and Nazti Pelousy is one of the great liberal leaders in the destruction of America.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhat # is it? I don’t see it.
Comment by rabidbuny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Common excuse she uses A LOT.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI find it very interesting that someone who says she isn’t a Christian will knock Islam but defend it’s cousin, Christianity, another monotheistic religion that oppresses women. I told you that if given time, you’d reveal that you were lying…
I don’t see how that is revealing anything. I don’t know enough about Christianity to say whether or not it is opressive to women. Unlike Islam if there is opression it is much more subtle.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmUhh…Speaker Pelosi was in a mosque which is why the rethug faux outrage is so utterly ridiculous.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmCAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THIS SCARF IS FREAKING YOU ALL OUT????
WHAT is the big deal? Quite frankly your stereotyping and ignorance is oppressive and offensive to me. You are the ones that use Muslim women like a banner flag whenever you want to say “ooooh Islam bad, the West good.” How arrogant.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmStill fails to show how the government could regulate it.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
I already explained that. Just submit the form to the government! Hello? Anyone home? I hope you don’t do anyone’s taxes if you cannot comprehend how to submit financial information about a company to the government…
April 4th, 2007 at 2:58 pmman the righty blogs can’t get anything right… hilarious
April 4th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIt’s not my fault that you’re stupid.
Resort to 1st grade name-calling, that will prove your point. We both know I didn’t say it…it is rather odd that you would cling on to such a fabrication. Believe it or not in accounting when doing taxes or an audit the economics rarely pops up.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI already explained that. Just submit the form to the government! Hello? Anyone home? I hope you don’t do anyone’s taxes if you cannot comprehend how to submit financial information about a company to the government…
Actually you didn’t, are you saying that we need to hire thousands of new employees to go over every company’s records of salaries? Then begin auditing each one where there may be a possibility of wrong doing? You are living in a fantasy land.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmUnbelievable, you no doubt consider yourself a person of reason, but arguing that my religious persuasion (of which you have no knowledge whatsoever)
Au contrare, David. I was a Christian for 33 years. And before you question that I really was, because that seems to be the salvation you all think makes me unqualified, I can tell you that I was a very religious person and that I get what Christianity is about. I just started thinking for myself, and then rejected it based on it’s lack or reason and evidence.
affects my thinking is an argument that is both irrational, devoid of logic, and patently absurd.
No, it’s your religion that is irrational, devoid of logic, and patently absurd. The fact that you listed three things, but preceeded them with the word ‘both’ (which means ‘between two options’ ) demonstrates that you aren’t used to thinking.
You’re going to have to do much better, or the audience will continue to chuckle at your diatribes.
Comment by David — April 4, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
Proof that I did do well is the fact that instead of attacking my arguments against your oppressive religion, you attacked me… LOL
Here’s a hint – read a non-fiction science book. Way more fascinating and realistic information on our Universe than “Poof!” LOL
April 4th, 2007 at 3:04 pmLGF says it best – the key is, she’s subservient to Islam in Syria. You know Syria? The puppet government of the Islamic Republic of Iran? Supporters of Hizballah? Insane hatred of Israel and America? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a TV series? Nazi fugitives harbored for years? Am I ringing any bells?
April 4th, 2007 at 3:05 pmIt’s unfortunate they couldn’t get LaLa to wear the full bag over her head……….
April 4th, 2007 at 3:09 pmI don’t see how that is revealing anything.
Of course you don’t. You’ve already demonstrated that you aren’t very bright…
If you’re NOT Christian, then you wouldn’t defend one branch of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian tree of monotheism, while advocating that one or both of the others be removed… Only zealous Christians so that…
I don’t know enough about Christianity to say whether or not it is opressive to women. Unlike Islam if there is opression it is much more subtle.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
You, an American, don’t know about Christianity, the majority religion, but you, who just admitted to never having been to the Middle East, do know about Islam?
You’re not fooling anyone. You aren’t capable.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:09 pmman the righty blogs can’t get anything right… hilarious
They are not interested in getting anything right. They are liars and are arms of the mighty rethug wurlitzer. Their mission is to catapault the latest propanganda and to feed red meat to their rabid base.
One reason so many of them have registration is so that they can ban anyone who tries to inject truth into their string of lies.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pmAbdallac,
There are many children on these sites, particularly the “progressive” sites. In this particular case, the “progressives” have disingenuously and grossly exagerrated the response on the other blogs regarding the scarf. The reason for this subterfuge is really rather transparent.
The actual concern amongst most “conservative” people is that an elected official of the United States Congress is conducting foreign policy without coordination with the State Department, which is the portion of our goverment that is actually responsible for foreign policy and diplomacy. This is clearly wrong on the part of Pelosi (and would be no less wrong anyone of ANY party that did the same thing).
Since the “progressives” cannot in any way defend her actions, they must (in their archtypical manner) raise the red herring of the scarf to deflect attention from the real issue.
I do appreciate you posting your perspective. But just know that it is difficult for many non-Muslims to believe that countries where women are routinely murdered by stoning for adultery, physically mutilated, and who count as only “half a person” in a court hearing have even the most basic forms of equality. These are the very people to whom Pelosi caters, for no better purpose than to try to humiliate George Bush.
Regards, Dave
April 4th, 2007 at 3:14 pmResort to 1st grade name-calling, that will prove your point.
Not name calling. Stating the obvious. The truth isn’t always pretty…
We both know I didn’t say it…it is rather odd that you would cling on to such a fabrication.
We both know you did. Yes odd someone would cling to a fabrication (they don’t) which validates that I’m not clinging to a fabricatin – but to the truth.
Believe it or not in accounting when doing taxes or an audit the economics rarely pops up.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Not.
Actually you didn’t, are you saying that we need to hire thousands of new employees to go over every company’s records of salaries?
Actually, I did. Hey, I just found a way to do what Bush can’t – create new jobs! Probably not thousands, as you exaggerate. It could be a random process, so that it is a sampling each year – but if the IRS can handle all those tax documents, it’s hardly a problem to add just one more… Or are you too lazy to help get women equal pay for equal work? Hmmm? That would validate that you aren’t FOR it…
Then begin auditing each one where there may be a possibility of wrong doing? You are living in a fantasy land.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 4, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
I live in reality. You might as well say the IRS is a fairy tale considering tehy do that very thing on a much, much, much larger scale. LOL Give up already. All you’re doing now is looking more and more foolish…
April 4th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI come from a country with quite a history of imperialism. I am well aware of the traits of imperialism. And also the damage it does. And the typical attitude of moral superiority inherent in the mindset of imperialism and nationalism.
You fit the bill perfectly. You proudly admit you are an American first, and a human being second.
Comment by Loonie — April 4, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
If you know the “traits of imperialism and how damaging they are” then you should also be aware that USA in not Imperialist. If we were, we would take over all of the Middle East, claim it as our own, and say, “thank you, we are now in charge”. Rather, thanks to the USA and its people you and others from your country and now living in a democracy. As a citizen of the world and a human being, you should want democracy spread throughout the middle east.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAm I ringing any bells?
Comment by dkrypt — April 4, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Yes, Quasimodo you are ringing several bells – and labeling things… If someone doesn’t try to make a change, how will there ever be one? Good will and peace start with a first step – which Ms. Pelosi had the foresight to make. It’s the difference between living in those extremes perpetually and making a change for the better…
April 4th, 2007 at 3:19 pm‘Stellabella’ and ‘Loonie’ could apropriately switch screen names, IMHO
April 4th, 2007 at 3:23 pmActually RABID BUNNY when you write:
“Men in countries in the name of Islam have made veils into a sign of opression”
you are actually incorrect – the West has always misunderstood and maligned hijab for many, many centuries. Through this lack of understanding and theological context it is YOU who have made veils into a sign of oppression.
For us all this rhetoric it is simply a sign of you commitment to arrogance and ignorance.
You forget that all these countries are ancient lands and cultures who have lived with Christians, Jews, Druze etc for MILLENIA. Other faiths are part of our fabric and heritage. It is a real testimony to the relative youth of many western nations that this is a sophmoric reaction. Kind of like a teenager who thinks he knows everything.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:26 pmRight now, in America, people are afraid to speak – THAT is oppression.
Comment by Abdallac — April 4, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
You know, Abdallac, you are on to something. If you have the time and inclination, it would be great for you to show up in other threads when these people make their claims against your people and stand up to them.
I’m convinced that they hate what they don’t know sinmply because they are ignorant. They are the same people with no respect for gays, blacks, Mexicans and others who do not fit their ideals… If anyone could educate them, it certainly wouldn’t be anyone like me… LOL :)
Just a thought
April 4th, 2007 at 3:27 pmSo the main argument from the Left, seems to be that Nancy was respecting the “culture,” of Syria. Would that include funding of Hamas and other terror groups? Of overtly destroying the budding democracy in Lebanon? Perhaps if Pelosi was visiting Germany in 1939 you would argue it is all about “respecting,” the culture of Facists so you don a swastika arm band, and a SS death’s head?
The Left, so given to their hatred of all things conservative are now finding themselves in bed with the worst tyrants and facists on the earth. How many dead bodies did Pelosi step over to shake Asad’s hand? You people talk of torture (panties on the head in Abu Gahrib?) Visit a Syrian Prison filled with the tortured and damned that had the guts to stand up to Asad.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:29 pmIf you know that your neighbor has killed thousands of people it is your duty as a citizen to get involved. That is not “personal business”. Yes, getting rid of terrorism through superior firepower is my definition, and lucky for you, there are more americans who think like me than you. Once again, people like you enjoying their freedoms here in america because of people like me.
No it doesn’t. Being a citizen of your neighborhood doesn’t require you to get into your neighbors personal business either. It simply means that you are respectful of your home…That’s your definition. It doesn’t mean it’s everyone else’s – or anyone else’s for that matter.
The opposite. It means that I support peace and peaceful means.
Comment by unbelievable — April 4, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
April 4th, 2007 at 3:31 pmUnbelievable, you do not know what my religion is. Any characterizations you make based on any presumption thereof are blatant bigotry and as such not worthy of comment.
I have no interest in defending Christianity or any other religion, although debating anything against one whose views are entirely unaffected by any others point of view is a clear waste of time.
I grant neglected to remove “both” when I added “patently absurd” to my sentence, much in the same way you erred in your spelling of “preceeded”. So am I to conclude, by your reasoning, “that you aren’t used to thinking” also?
April 4th, 2007 at 3:31 pm[...] Laura Bush visited the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, she wore — you guessed it — a head scarf. She did the same at the Dome of the Rock mosque. Was she “donning the garb of America’s [...]
April 4th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe trolls shall be called goobers from now on….
April 4th, 2007 at 3:34 pm#5 – Condi Rice is a representative of this country, remember even though she is the most incompetent one we have ever had, nonetheless, she still is our diplomat to the world and guess what — SHE WORE ONE TOO!
Now go ahead, rationalize that one away. I know you will.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:34 pm[...] Laura Bush visited the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, she wore — you guessed it — a head scarf. She did the same at the Dome of the Rock mosque. Was she “donning the garb of America’s [...]
April 4th, 2007 at 3:35 pmTrolls so G-dda-n dump they don’t know Syria from Egypt
You know Egypt our ally? Hello am I ringing any bells?
April 4th, 2007 at 3:36 pm… and I did it again :^(
April 4th, 2007 at 3:38 pmSpeaking of the IRS, I recommend “The Fair Tax Book”.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pmIf you know that your neighbor has killed thousands of people it is your duty as a citizen to get involved. That is not “personal businessâ€.
I didn’t say it was… But if your neighbor is killing thousands of people, it will be the whole neighborhood that wants toget involved, and not just you playing vigilante. See the difference?
Yes, getting rid of terrorism through superior firepower is my definition, and lucky for you, there are more americans who think like me than you.
No, actually, there aren’t. 82% of Americans think we are LESS safe in the world because of bullets and egos.
Go watch a John Wayne movie and pretend. Leave the real life stuff to people who actually care about the world.
Once again, people like you enjoying their freedoms here in america because of people like me.
Comment by stellabella — April 4, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Wrong. You enjoy your freedoms because of people like me… Liberal, progressive thinkers like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and Thomas Paine who wrote the US Constitution and created a nation that was never supposed to have a standing army. It is people like you who have destroyed what was once the greatest exercise in the theory of Democracy…
April 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pmThe modern Left would much rather kiss tyrant butt, than fight for their own culture or civilization. In fact they take it one step further, they will fight those that seek to preserve their own culture. Something like black slaves that fought for the Confederacy. The only difference is the black slaves probably had no choice, whereas todays hippie/preppie, outrageously spoiled narcists have made their choice.
Pelosi’s trip was nothing more than going to kiss Tyrant butt, all in protest over a fight with a pretend tyrant in Bush. I see no democrats in jail even though many are obvious traitors.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by stellabella — April 4, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
April 4th, 2007 at 3:40 pmUsing nukes is a good idea? I bet China and Russia would be thrilled. Sorry I called you a dumbass. You’re obviously much more insane than I thought.
Dear UNBELIEVABLE…that’s very kind of you to suggest. However, last winter I tried to inject some semblance of knowledge on another blog and what I found is that all these “liberal”, “democratic”, “openmided”, “free thinking” Canadians were just as rude, narrow and unwilling to expand their understanding as the normal American Bob.
They FAR preferred to opinion of a non Muslim who apparently read “three versions of the Qur’an” (there is no such thing as a “version” of the Qur’an – the Qur’an is ONLY in the original Arabic, everything else is NOT the Qur’an, simply an attempt at translation) to a practicing and knowledgeable Muslim woman. They don’t want to hear it. Deaf Dumb Blind.
It was very frustrating and made me very, very despondant. I had to stop. I know that all my Muslim friends feel this way. No matter what we say, they don’t want to hear it or believe it.
However, thank you for the vote of confidence.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:44 pmgoobers, I like that. I consider them hater baters. throwing logic and facts out the window.
You can see that rabidbunny and Patrick1 are Master baters
April 4th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI’m guessing Speaker Pelosi stepped over as many bodies to shake Al-Asad’s hand as did Virginia Republican Frank Wolf, Pennsylvania Republican Joe Pitts and Alabama Republican Robert Aderholt when they shook hands with him on Sunday.
Rethugs are the party of smear and fear (and abject failure)
April 4th, 2007 at 3:45 pmUnbelievable, you do not know what my religion is. Any characterizations you make based on any presumption thereof are blatant bigotry and as such not worthy of comment.
David, it was YOU who addressed me and started the insults and attacked first – after I slammed Christanity for it’s oppressive nature toward women.
Of course you are a Christian. It’s obvious from your lack of critical thinking skills, your eagerness to attack first and never answer questions and your neo-conservative posturing. Not all Christians are stupid, but all stupid Americans are Christians in some form or the other…
I have no interest in defending Christianity or any other religion, although debating anything against one whose views are entirely unaffected by any others point of view is a clear waste of time.
If you can’t back up your claims, then you shouldn’t have engaged me as you did in the first place.
You’re like the neighborhood bully who changes his tune when he finds out that the kid he was targeting has a black belt in Karate… Or an other brother.
I grant neglected to remove “both†when I added “patently absurd†to my sentence, much in the same way you erred in your spelling of “preceededâ€.
Yours was a critical thinking error. Mine was just a lack of typing abilities – which I freely and regularly admit. My typing sucks. Your thinking sucks. I’d rather be me.
So am I to conclude, by your reasoning, “that you aren’t used to thinking†also?
Comment by David — April 4, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Are you asking my permission to use faulty logic or are you posing your faulty logic as a question so you can later use that question mark as a parachute? LOL
Silly boy…
April 4th, 2007 at 3:46 pmThe actual concern amongst most “conservative†people is that an elected official of the United States Congress is conducting foreign policy without coordination with the State Department, which is the portion of our goverment that is actually responsible for foreign policy and diplomacy. This is clearly wrong on the part of Pelosi (and would be no less wrong anyone of ANY party that did the same thing).
Comment by David Debunked — April 4, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
David, you’ve been debunked:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/hastert-colombia/trackback/
April 4th, 2007 at 3:47 pmVirginia Republican Frank Wolf, Pennsylvania Republican Joe Pitts and Alabama Republican Robert Aderholt trip was nothing more than going to kiss Tyrant butt.
Rethugs are the party of smear and fear (and abject failure)
April 4th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI think liberalism is the philosophical peacock feathers to beautify a cowards chicken heart. All this talk of respecting cultures that routinely cut off the hands of theives, stone woman for the misfortune of getting raped. Honor killings, fatwahs against writters and freedom of speech, hatred of homosexuals, hatred of Jews…hatred of anything NOT muslim. You people are crazy, like someone defending and reasoning with the BORG.
Don’t have to search too much to find Youtube videos and such of women being burried up to their necks and stoned to death, maybe because they commited adultry, or maybe because they did not sleep with a man that had the power to accuse.
Or of blowing up little kids to kill others. Make no mistake, every defense of such cultures makes you complicit in thier crimes.
Once the Muslims have power here and silence the Christians, then they will write the Matthew Shpherd story a thousand times. The Left will look at the days of co-existience with Christians and Conservatives as a golden era. Fools!
April 4th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThe trolls shall be called goobers from now on….
Comment by circusfifthfloor — April 4, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
I grew up in a neighborhood with a family whose mother and father had to be cousins. Their 5 kids were ‘off’. My brother always refered to them as “The Goobers”. Would also apply to the trolls.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:49 pmGeez, if we had only known that it would be so easy to get the trolls to support women’s rights…just have a Democratic woman put on a headscarf…
April 4th, 2007 at 3:50 pmDouble standard?? You commies are the poster children for promoting double standards. You stand for peace but use violence to stop those who disagree with your views, ie. protesting using violent means to stop conservatives from speaking at universities. You out people who are homosexuals against their will to further your own twisted agenda. You bend over backward to dictators like Chavez and Hussein who kill thousands of innocent people yet condem those who try to free them. You are all sick and twisted sub-human forms of life.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:51 pmLGF is somewhat crazed, but I have to say this thread on Lucianne.com made me wonder…
http://lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=332569
April 4th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHonor killings, fatwahs against writters and freedom of speech, hatred of homosexuals, hatred of Jews
Comment by Jehu (Gezuntheit) — April 4, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Again, we are not talking about the United States’ current adminstration!
April 4th, 2007 at 3:53 pmWell if they did this they are also scum…so now is Pelosi traitorous scum or not…your move.
April 4th, 2007 at 3:54 pmIt was very frustrating and made me very, very despondant. I had to stop. I know that all my Muslim friends feel this way. No matter what we say, they don’t want to hear it or believe it.
Sorry to hear that. I know that there are those who claim to be liberal, but aren’t always (or ever sometimes). They frustrate me as well :)
But I will say that most of the liberals here are pretty open-minded, intelligent and accepting. Just incase you consider visiting from time to time.
However, thank you for the vote of confidence.
Comment by Abdallac — April 4, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Thanks for the enlightenment. It seemed to chase away the bunny with rabies…. And that’s a plus. :)
Take care!
April 4th, 2007 at 3:54 pmOnce the Muslims have power here and silence the Christians
Comment by Jehuey you stink — April 4, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Jehu, don’t turn around! There may be a Muslim behind you!
April 4th, 2007 at 3:56 pmBOO!
(man I hope you didn’t just shat your pants)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1512394,00.html
Honor killings are as old as the bible. Xtians do it they’re just more quiet.
Rethugs are the party of smear and fear (and abject failure)
April 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pmPerhaps if Pelosi was visiting Germany in 1939 you would argue it is all about “respecting,†the culture of Facists so you don a swastika arm band, and a SS death’s head?
You mean like grandpa Bush funding the Nazi’s? LOL you’re funny.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJEHU – really, man – you really should look at your own history FIRST.
You wrote: “All this talk of respecting cultures that routinely cut off the hands of theives, stone woman for the misfortune of getting raped. Honor killings, fatwahs against writters and freedom of speech, hatred of homosexuals, hatred of Jews…hatred of anything NOT muslim.”
Don’t be a hypocrite, dude: Lynchings up until the near present day, wicked slavery of MILLIONS, vicious colonialism, murder of homosexuals, the Holocaust of the Jews, the rape of continents, the list is ENDLESS…
But wait…my favorite is this: “fatwah’s against writers and freedom of speech.” THAT’S HILARIOUS, MAN!!!!!! That’s America TODAY – April 2007.
Pick up a history book, homeboy.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:04 pmEver notice how how rethugs never condemn members of their cult until they get called on it. And they’re so stupid they actually expect us to play their patheticlly transparent game.
Rethugs are the party of smear and fear (and abject failure)
April 4th, 2007 at 4:05 pmReally? Like in your lifetime homey?
You mean recently like you “homeys,” attacking conservative speakers at Univ? Or your friends the Muslims declaring death sentences on writers or cartoonists?
Drop the little pouty, my Daddy didn’t like me rants and try to live in the present and recognize the enemy RIGHT NOW.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI guess (I don’t know if Bush funded Hitler, like Soros funds the Left today), but by your argument it looks like you are saying you would be OK with Pelosi Fellatioing Hitler, because you think Grandpa Bush did it also. I suppose then if a conservative sucks tyrant ass…you want to compete and get some of your own. Or were you making another argument?
April 4th, 2007 at 4:15 pmDrop the little pouty, my Daddy didn’t like me
Comment by Jehuey Lewis and da Newz — April 4, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
this may explain your unfounded anger and unheralded fear.
(psst, there’s a browned skin, jihad looking islamofascist moving in right next door!)
April 4th, 2007 at 4:15 pmHahaha, Unlike you little kid liberals I don’t expect a more and more pathetic government to take care of me and diaper my worthless ass. And I would only be afraid if a Muslim was behind me if I were a goat, or one of their 72 virgins.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:19 pmhttp://dushanbe.usembassy.gov/ uploads/ images/ _BOMKTxte1nib6JWw-mvHA/ pg_101305.JPG
More scum complicit in the “crimes” of Molems
April 4th, 2007 at 4:20 pmHahaha, Unlike you little kid liberals I don’t expect a more and more pathetic government to take care of me and diaper my worthless ass.
You got one thing right.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHahaha, Unlike you little kid liberals I don’t expect a more and more pathetic government to take care of me and diaper my worthless ass. And I would only be afraid if a Muslim was behind me if I were a goat, or one of their 72 virgins.
Comment by Jehu — April 4, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
ummmm, so you’ve just admitted to being a worthless ass, and a virgin.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:23 pmMan, I’m hopin’ this was a namejack, or you really are pathetic at debating
JEHU…Gee, were the “conservative speakers” could only be someone brought in by the Campus Republicans et al. right. Ohhh, aren’t THEY the group who had the nasty “Catch an Illegal Immigrant” campaign and supposedly brought in former Islamic terrorists to speak (as if any real former terrorist would be on the speaking circuit rather than a secret overseas prison)? RIIIIIIIGHT!
Yeah, much of that stuff was in my lifetime in some form or fashion.
as far as your silly comment: “Drop the little pouty, my Daddy didn’t like me rants and try to live in the present and recognize the enemy RIGHT NOW”
Let me try to do that….uhhhh, the enemy is….people like YOU. Who wave the flag and have not clue one what your country has done to OTHER PEOPLE in your name. Now, when the chickens come home to roost – you don’t want to understand why. You want to suck your thumb with one hand and throw a bomb with the other.
Did I get that right, folks? Let me know.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:24 pmHow would you know or see down there in mom’s basement looking for last nights roaches to roll up?
April 4th, 2007 at 4:27 pmJEHU – Smartboy…there is no such thing as the 72 virgins. MYTH.
The exact context is when the righteous believers (Christians, Muslim, Jews, Men and Women) enter Paradise their companions will be pure companions.
I know it’s really, REALLY difficult for you but try not to think only what you know of this physical existance. God and Paradise and Hellfire are far beyond our human comprehension and we should not try to limit them only to human senses, imagination and desires because it is base and falls short of the Divine.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:30 pmUnbelievable, I have a retired Presbyterian minister (86 yrs old) frien and mentor who was born and raised in Miss., in a home of bigots and was destined to be the same. He may very well be one of our national treasures that few know about. I told him that I grew up in the “basement” of that house. Know what I mean? I’ve seen both sides, and pray everyday that others will see the “light” and make this nation great again. That being justice for all, caring for all (except little karl), and a commitment to loving our neighbors, ( ok, ok, even little karl ). Enjoy your comments as usual, Peace, CFF
April 4th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSpoken like a true democrat, just before the jihadists blow up his shopping mall, or kids school, or run him down in his rented SUV…FOOL!
Unlike you, my girlfriend (boyfriend?) has not chewed off my testicles. I know my enemy…inluding the drug-addled Left, who speak of destroying…how’s those African kids dying of Malaria (million a year) rest on your Rachel Carson self-righteous and pompous conscious? Investigate if you don’t know what I am talking about.
Or was it people like ME that freed Europe from Facism, or your ancestors that were blowing Hitler and Stalin all in the name of brotherhood?
April 4th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
or you really are pathetic at debating
Comment by DRxJ — April 4, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
How would you know or see down there in mom’s basement looking for last nights roaches to roll up?
Comment by Jehusivat — April 4, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Your honor, I rest my case.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:35 pmHey Abdullalakey…you point your ass to the air 5 times a day? Seems you have “special” knowledge. Anyway it has been midly amusing to dribble the tiny heads of you liberals up and down the court, but I have work to do, my mom doesn’t get foodstamps.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:37 pmmy girlfriend (boyfriend?) has not chewed off my testicles
April 4th, 2007 at 4:37 pmComment by Jehubba the Hut — April 4, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Okay, you don’t know if your partner is male or female?
Man, no wonder you’re so uptight!
JEHU…I can’t even get upset with you because you are so filled with hatred and ignorance.
I actually have real pity for you.
Although, I will say, clearly are a vulgar person when referring to private parts and acts. Are you unable debate in a civilized fashion without resorting to vulgarity??
April 4th, 2007 at 4:42 pmJEHU, I am surprised you work.
Are you educated?
April 4th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWhat geniuses here who cannot recognize irony, satire, 3rd voice, nor spell. Yet they are formulating the political philosophy their children will die under.
I think I understand your political philosophy. Let me articulate it, since you seem to have writting skills on the level of Bush’s verbal skills.
I, just want peace and love, and warm homes for puppies, and, and, if America was not so, umm, like MEAN to like all the good people out there with far superior cultures…well, um…um…then war would stop, and bad thing would go away. MOMMY!
Bye, bye kids…in the words of one of your greatest philosophers peace.love.dope.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pmLiberal translation….I HATE YOU, but don’t have the guts to say it.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pmYou are a silly man.
April 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pmNo you big silly, I don’t hate you. It’s not worth the energy. I think you are ignorant and unable to make astute arguments.
YOU would love for me to say that I hate you so you could feel self righteous.
I love you JEHU. I love you because you are my brother in humanity, no matter how limited you are intellectually and emotionally. I love you man.
How’s that from a Muslim babe?
April 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThe following is the statement issued by the Reform Party of Syria on your heroine’s visit to Syria. Please ignore so your heads don’t explode at what the meddling of this fool has done for those wanting freedom:
April 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
hello…Assad’s own wife doesn’t wear hijab…so what’s your point? His government actually oppresses women who wear hijab and people who firmly practice their faith.
It’s kind of a useless article when their are so many more important political matters on the table.
Is it even a real letter JEHU? It sounds trite.
April 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pmHeard on radio
April 4th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThis morning I caught the tail end of Rush Limbaugh muttering something about “Pelosi” and “burqa” (not “hijab” or “head scarf”). Yesterday, Michael Savage spoke in favor of Pelosi’s visit (because Syria is run by rational people, unlike Iran’s religious fanatics).
Why all the complaints? Everybody KNOWS that all behavior of scumpublicans is not just legal but praiseworthy, while all behavior of Democrats is illegal and damnable.
After all – would repubs have impeached Bush for a bj? Of course not! Would Dems have impeached Clinton if he had lied us into a war, broke the Geneva Conventions, wore out the army, and bankrupted the country? You’re darn tootin’ they would have, with repubs helping gladly.
What part of “the divine right of kings” and “the king can do no wrong” do you folks not understand?
April 4th, 2007 at 6:20 pmWhat misfortunate community did this ‘jehu’ outfit crawl in from?
April 4th, 2007 at 6:28 pm(If you are a traumatized member of the military who has just returned from the horrors of urban warfare in the Middle East, and are merely lashing out at us for not preventing Mad King George from going on his oil crusade, forgive my jab.)
Otherwise, thanks for letting us know you are out there….
Pelosi threads get all the whack-jobs out of the woodwork. :D
April 4th, 2007 at 6:35 pmLeave Nancy alone. She has more cojones than any of the Bushies and it’s pure sexism that drives the attacks. We should have been having talks like this ages ago.
Furthrmore, doesn’t anybody realize that Angelina Jolie also wears headscarves when visiting Muslim countries? Doesn’t that count for ANYTHING?
April 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmSo just what is the Reform Party of Syria? This assessment is from sourcewatch.org (footnotes not included):
Farid N. Ghadry (also Farid al-Ghadry and Frank Ghadry) is co-founder and current president of the Reform Party of Syria (RPS), a “‘US-based opposition party’ of pro-democracy Syrians” [1][2], and the president of the Syrian Democratic Coalition. [3]
Ghadry was born in Syria and, in 1964, at the age of 8, emigrated to Lebanon with his family. Ghadry came to the United States in 1975. [4]
Described as a “discredited businessman from Virginia” who is “Syria’s version of Ahmad Chalabi” by Robert Dreyfuss April 17, 2006, in The American Prospect, Ghadry is “a secular, pro-democracy Sunni from a majority-Sunni country. He is charming and articulate, enjoys driving his kids to soccer practice, and favors a Syrian peace with Israel,” Elizabeth Eaves wrote February 7, 2005, in Slate. When Eaves asked Ghadry “why he started the Reform Party of Syria, he said that he and his wife had reached a comfortable point in their lives, with their children nearly grown, and decided that they wanted to give something back. Who wouldn’t find such a philanthropic impulse appealing? She joined the board of a children’s hospital, and he decided to overthrow a government.”
Ghadry is a member of AIPAC. [5] On May 15, 2003, Eli J. Lake wrote in The National Review: “His organization is only now getting off the ground,” and “a Syrian who belongs to one of Israel’s main lobbying groups is not exactly a strong political candidate in a country that remains one of the most rabidly anti-Israel in the region. As Ghadry himself admits, ‘The Syrians are not ready for someone who wants to make peace with Israel.’”
Being Chalabi
In January 2006, Volker Perthes, Director of the Berlin-based German Institute for International and Security Affairs, told ABC News’ Leela Jacinto that “Analysts also warn that the U.S. experience in Iraq is adversely affecting U.S.-based Syrian exiles considered too close to Washington neoconservative circles,” which includes Farid Ghadry. [6]
“Ghadry wants to be the Chalabi of Syria,” Perthes said. “Chalabi is a role model for Ghadry.” [7]
“But it’s the very role model that makes Ghadry a suspicious opposition figure for his European and Islamic counterparts,” Jacinto wrote. “Given what is widely seen in the Middle East and Europe as the U.S. debacle in Iraq, opposition figures … are at pains to stress their distance from Washington.” [8]
(see http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Farid_N._Ghadry)
Just what the world needs is another Chalabi. The “press release” is another neo-con-game. Probably written by Bolton or Perle.
April 4th, 2007 at 6:55 pmMore of Republican bs-”do as I say, not as I do”.
April 4th, 2007 at 7:08 pmH-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S!
April 4th, 2007 at 9:00 pmH-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S!
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S!
THE ODD THING IS, OF COURSE, THESE repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderms SEE NO CONTRADICTIONS, NO DOUBLE-STANDARDS, NO INCONSISTENCIES, NO LACK OF MORAL SCRUPLE IN THEIR OUTLANDISH AND RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS SWIFT-BOAT-SMEARING OF SPEAKER PELOSI—SHOWS YOU WHAT A CONSCIENCELESS, SOCIOPATHIC, PSYCHOPATHIC, EVIL, TWISTED, HATEFUL, UNLOVING, NIGGARDLY, SMALL-MINDED, WARPED, DESTRUCTIVE, HOPELESS, UNSAVEABLE, WORTHLESS, CRIMINAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, RACIST, UNTHINKING, FOOLISH, BOMBASTIC IMBECILIC, MORONIC, SIMPLETON, SEXUALLY IMPOTENT, PERVERTED, PEDOPHILIC, SADISTIC, VICIOUS, COWARDLY, FILTHY, LYING, ILLEGAL, COPROPHAGIC, UNCLEAN, LEPROUS, FOETID, EXTREMIST, SILLY, SIMPLETON, PETULANT, WILLFUL, ARGUMENTATIVE, RIDICULOUS BUNCH OF YELLOW-BELLIED DISGUSTING VARMINT ROAD-KILL THEY ARE!!!!!
Pelosi goes to Syria, Brits released from Iran, Syria says it helped facilitate the release.
Republcans could just say “thank you” to Nancy if they didn’t hate peace so much.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:50 pmThis thread has turned into a playground for Attack Trolls who don’t give a rat’s posterior what anyone with differing opinions might think, and for (alleged) Muslims who paint all “westerners” with the same broad brush as they claim is being used to paint the Muslims. Also, the Muslim posters don’t seem to make the connection that although the Liberals may not agree with them ideologically the Liberals still support the Muslims’ right to self determination.
Muslims are people of discernment, just the same as us, so I would please ask your discernment and your discretion in identifying to whom you are speaking when you say “you people here”, because those who support your right to self determination are not the same as those who, generaly speaking, don’t support anything related to Islam.
Just for the record – This is not an anti-Islam stance. I’m against organized religion generally.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pmIf Angelina Jolie wears head scarfs, well it does count for something. She does need to have a hamburger.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:28 pmOh, btw Abdallac…
If you’re still on this thread would you mind if we spoke privately, such as email or instant message? I have some questions and you DID say to ask… :)
April 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pmThinkProgress hits bottom. Digs. The leftist loons that run this site sure know how to embarrass themselves.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pm#451 Tina, you are a toad. Thanks for your input, though.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:21 pmI don’t think automatically raising pay for women would help. If anything it would have an adverse effect. Less women would be hired….
She (Pelosi) holds the highest political office ever by a woman
comments by rabidbunny
You show your true colors by making such a big and overextended issue about Nancy Pelosi wearing a headscarf in a Muslim country, while not definitely supporting raising (and equalizing) pay for US women.
April 5th, 2007 at 1:46 amSo Pelosi holds the highest political office ever held by a woman, eh? That may be true of the USA. But haven’t you heard of Margaret Thatcher, Benazir Bhutto, and other women who rose to the highest office in their countries. BTW, Ms. Bhutto was usually seen in public with a headscarf while leader of Pakistan, so that didn’t exactly demean her.
Sorry: I realize rabies affects the brain adversely; maybe you should get some shots before it’s too late.
Well… the Reform Party of Syria is none to happy with her walking around Syria wearing a hajib.
Has Pelosi Gone Bonkers?
April 5th, 2007 at 3:01 am#454
April 5th, 2007 at 3:23 amYeah, the Reform Party of Syria with a contact address on Pennsylvania Ave. (not far from the WH) in Washington DC.
I think Nancy looked great!! I think it’s a look she might want to get comfortable with…..
Comment by vermin venus
Unlike you, Nancy Pelosi always looks great. But seriously, since you claim to be a practicing Catholic, you really shouldn’t be so surprised by women wearing headscarves at religious sites.
April 5th, 2007 at 3:30 amHead scarf big issue now, I think she should have gone with her behind half exposed as representation of American women. Yes Women are equal to Men but
April 5th, 2007 at 8:33 amthey are also very different.
Nanci Pelosi did not just wear a headscarf visiting a religious site.
She wore a headscarf visiting a market, walking down the streets.
That’s the difference and thats a problem
April 5th, 2007 at 8:33 amIn all of the photos I have seen of Pelosi visiting with state leaders in Syria, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia she is not wearing a head scarf. See the following links:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/03/world/main2641393.shtml
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/04/02/PH2007040200595.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/04/ap/world/main2648933.shtml
http://www.examiner.com/Topic-Saudi_Arabia.html
April 5th, 2007 at 9:54 amA statement from the Reform Party of Syria about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s disgraceful visit to the Baathist regime, and what it means to women struggling for rights in the Islamic world: Has Pelosi Gone Bonkers? (Hat tip: seekeroftruth.)
As a Muslim, I fully understand respect of our religion by visiting US officials and I applaud that respect. Had Speaker Pelosi worn the Hijab inside a Mosque, this would have indicated respect but for Pelosi to wear it on the streets of Damascus all the while she is sitting with the self-imposed Baschar al-Assad who has come to symbolize oppression and one of the reasons why women are forced to wear the Hijab as they turn to religion to express their freedom is a statement of submittal not only to oppression but also to lack of women’s rights in the Middle East. Pelosi just reversed the work of the Syrian civil society and those who aspire for women’s freedom in the Muslim countries many years back with her visual statement. Her lack of experience of the Middle East is showing.
Assad could not have been happier because Syrian women, seeing a US official confirming what their husbands, the Imams in the Mosques tell them, and the society at large imposes on them through peer pressure will see in her wearing a Hijab as a confirmation of the societal pressures they are constantly under. No one will ever know how many women took the Hijab on after seeing Pelosi wearing it. The damage Speaker Pelosi is causing with her visit to Syria will be felt for many years to come
April 5th, 2007 at 10:08 amThe Reform Pary of Syria (RPS) is just another neo-con-game. See this assessment from sourcewatch:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Farid_N._Ghadry
It’s leader, Faird N. Ghadry models himself after Ahmad Chalabi. (Just what the world needs now is another Ahmad Chalabi.) Note that other than a profile of Ghadry on its website, the RPS “leadership” page is blank:
http://www.reformsyria.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=47
Its offices are conveniently located at 1700 Pennsylvania Ave. The “statement” posted by Jeff is nothing more than a propaganda piece probably sent over from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. or maybe AIPAC.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:31 amObviously, your lack of knowledge is coming through. These three men below fought for our freedoms. George Washington believed in a standing army. If these men were liberals such as yourself, America as you know it would never have existed. You should live in Canada. You are not an american.
Wrong. You enjoy your freedoms because of people like me… Liberal, progressive thinkers like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and Thomas Paine who wrote the US Constitution and created a nation that was never supposed to have a standing army. It is people like you who have destroyed what was once the greatest exercise in the theory of Democracy…
Comment by unbelievable — April 4, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
April 5th, 2007 at 11:30 amSCION – Good Afternoon. Just checked this thread – yes if you are interested please feel free to email…abdallac@gmail.com .
Your point above is well taken and understood. However, there certainly seems to be a great majority of people on this thread that had/have not clue one about hijab, Muslim women’s rights, the reality of being a woman in a Muslim country as opposed to the few sensationalized stories the Western media pick up on, and Islam in general.
It’s annoying that no matter what I say to shed light on facts that are broader in the sense of everyday life in most countries – no one wants to even entertain the possibility.
Looking for your reply.
C.
April 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmJeff – YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIJAB. It is a requirement for men and women. Since I am sure you will not be familiar with this contextually, then at least consider that you speak on things you really have no knowledge of.
Read previous posts above #268, 297, 305.
Once again, many of you know nothing about our history, our culture nor our how our faiths (Islam, Christianity & Judaism) are practiced in the East. You want to view everything through a myopic lens and a filter of only what YOU consider acceptable.
The world is a bigger place YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, PROGRESSIVE AND THE GOOD GUYS AND WE ARE NOT ALWAYS WRONG, BACKWARDS AND THE BAD GUYS.
Taking steps to understand different faiths and cultures in order to intelligently qualify what is faith and what is tradition/culture is integral in today’s world.
April 5th, 2007 at 2:36 pmLaura was in Israel you Einsteins. And she wasn’t trying to imitate the Secretary of State either. If you guys want to appoint a Secretary of State, try winning an election. Any way you slice it, Pelosi is trying to negotiate with despotic criminals. They are in no way equal to the democratically elected government of Israel. Quit trying to justify the trip, it’s just plain idiotic. You lefties would have us negotiate with Pol Pot…
April 5th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAntiMORON – ISREAL IS A TERRORIST ENTITY MADE UP OF DESPODIC CRIMINALS. They will never have peace until they admit the crimes they have committed against the Palestinians.
Arial Sharon is known all over the world as “The Butcher of Sabra and Shatila”.
The victims have now become the victimizers.
Who has the Apache heli’s, who has the tanks, the gunships, the weapons, the nukes?
What is a refugee and what is the definition of that term?
You believe in democracy so blindly that you don’t see that democracy has to ensure certain conditions for it’s people to live in security and peace. Same for our country the US.
That is not
April 5th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI think its called being culturally aware.
She should have behaved like she was on ‘Spring Break’ right ‘dudes?
April 5th, 2007 at 4:43 pm[...] of Pelosi wearing a scarf in a mosque. Yet this same group was strangely (and utterly) silent when Laura Bush wore a scarf in a mosque. [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 12:40 pm[...] [Update: This post is being linked to in a forum in which some rightie claims it is only us lefties making a Big Bleeping Deal out of the scarf. The fact is, much of the rightie blogosphere went into hysterics about Nancy Pelosi’s scarf. Think Progress has a selection of links.] [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 2:07 pm[...] Pelosi! Nancy Pelosi in a scarf!! A scaaaaaaarrrrfff!!!! Explore posts in the same categories: Phantom News, [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pm[...] ThinkProgress has a post about the right wing media smearing Pelosi for wearing a scarf while visiting a tomb in Syria. The mainstream media has ignored that fact that many other prominent U.S. women (republicans and democrats) have done the same to respect the customs of the countries they were visiting. This is important, but I think it is more important to look at what the administration officials said, and what mainstream media reported, and to talk about the substance of her visit and not just the scarf. The media only wants a controversy for their ratings, and have stopped caring about presenting the real news. They report administration lies and distortions without correcting them, and wait for a good ‘ratings producing’ fight between the left and the right, when they bring the pundits on camera for their shouting matched. This is not news! It is media irresponsibility hiding behind false neutrality and the pretense of fairness. (Note: for those who want to see Condi, Laura Bush, and Jackie Kennedy in scarves at religious events, look to the end of this post.) [...]
April 8th, 2007 at 12:27 am[...] ThinkProgress has a post about the right wing media smearing Pelosi for wearing a scarf while visiting a tomb in Syria. The mainstream media has ignored that fact that many other prominent U.S. women (republicans and democrats) have done the same to respect the customs of the countries they were visiting. This is important, but I think it is more important to look at what the administration officials said, and what mainstream media reported, and to talk about the substance of her visit and not just the scarf. The media only wants a controversy for their ratings, and have stopped caring about presenting the real news. They report administration lies and distortions without correcting them, and wait for a good ‘ratings producing’ fight between the left and the right, when they bring the pundits on camera for their shouting matched. This is not news! It is media irresponsibility hiding behind false neutrality and the pretense of fairness. [...]
April 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmdoes laura bush not represent the united states in any way? is she being respectful? or subservient? is she repesenting that women are not equal to men?
#86:”So what did they talk about? The date and time of American surrender to Islamo Fascism?”
Comment by Patrick1 — April 4, 2007 @ 10:39 am
probably the same thing condi rice discussed recently in damsacus.
May 3rd, 2007 at 9:50 pm