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]]> By: later... http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3497541 later... Sat, 07 Apr 2007 03:23:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3497541 To put it frankly, the man would not last a night in a foxhole without crying for his momma. We need a smart, diplomatic person who is very progressive on the environment and who will ratchet down world tensions from the brink where we are rigth now. And stop using immigration as a growth tool. Why must we race to 400 million people ? Keep the population stable, clean up the environment. Destroy the flow of oil money to the Middle East. Stop the oil and defense industry influence. We are going to die if we don't get someone like this. Romney is simply not that person. He is molding himself into someone trying to please the 29%. Why appease those obvious morons ? To put it frankly, the man would not last a night in a foxhole without crying for his momma. We need a smart, diplomatic person who is very progressive on the environment and who will ratchet down world tensions from the brink where we are rigth now. And stop using immigration as a growth tool. Why must we race to 400 million people ? Keep the population stable, clean up the environment. Destroy the flow of oil money to the Middle East. Stop the oil and defense industry influence. We are going to die if we don’t get someone like this. Romney is simply not that person. He is molding himself into someone trying to please the 29%. Why appease those obvious morons ?

]]> By: LDS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3480669 LDS Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:15:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3480669 "Central to mormon doctrine, in fact, the CRUX of all mormon doctrine, is the docrtine of what mormons call “FREE AGENCY”. " I can't stress how true this is, Worfeus. While Romney has "flip-flopped" on several issues, gay rights and abortion are two that I believe he is truly sincere on. The concept of free agency is why I personally struggled with the pro-life vs pro-choice issue for a long time. While I may personally believe something, I can not and should not force that on anyone else. Romney has said that he has always personally been pro-life, but that what he struggled with is the role that the government should have in taking away a woman's right to choose (or her free agency, in LDS terms). It wasn't until recently for me too, that I finally converted to a completely pro-life position. However, I had to reconcile the fact that taking this position takes away a woman's divine right to choose. From a Mormon's perspective, I truly believe that Mitt struggled with this issue for similar reasons. Of course, he will not try and explain this to the public, because then he would bring his religion into the political arena... That would not be good with all the controversy of a Mormon being in the white house. It would be foolish to say that his moral values are not influenced by his religious upbringing. Look at his views on gay marriage. He is for gay rights (gays have the right to choose), but not for gay marriage. This is consistent with LDS doctrine.... Take a look at an official document released by the LDS church titled "The Family: A Proclamation to the world" and tell me that the positions taken there are not almost exactly the positions Romney is taking now. There is one particular phrase that says something to the effect that a child has the right to be raised in a home with a mom and a dad--something Romney has said, almost verbatim. Interestingly enough, this document was released in the mid 1990's, before the issue of gay marriage (not gay rights) was a national issue. “Central to mormon doctrine, in fact, the CRUX of all mormon doctrine, is the docrtine of what mormons call “FREE AGENCY”. ”

I can’t stress how true this is, Worfeus. While Romney has “flip-flopped” on several issues, gay rights and abortion are two that I believe he is truly sincere on. The concept of free agency is why I personally struggled with the pro-life vs pro-choice issue for a long time. While I may personally believe something, I can not and should not force that on anyone else.

Romney has said that he has always personally been pro-life, but that what he struggled with is the role that the government should have in taking away a woman’s right to choose (or her free agency, in LDS terms).

It wasn’t until recently for me too, that I finally converted to a completely pro-life position. However, I had to reconcile the fact that taking this position takes away a woman’s divine right to choose. From a Mormon’s perspective, I truly believe that Mitt struggled with this issue for similar reasons. Of course, he will not try and explain this to the public, because then he would bring his religion into the political arena… That would not be good with all the controversy of a Mormon being in the white house.

It would be foolish to say that his moral values are not influenced by his religious upbringing. Look at his views on gay marriage. He is for gay rights (gays have the right to choose), but not for gay marriage. This is consistent with LDS doctrine…. Take a look at an official document released by the LDS church titled “The Family: A Proclamation to the world” and tell me that the positions taken there are not almost exactly the positions Romney is taking now. There is one particular phrase that says something to the effect that a child has the right to be raised in a home with a mom and a dad–something Romney has said, almost verbatim.

Interestingly enough, this document was released in the mid 1990’s, before the issue of gay marriage (not gay rights) was a national issue.

]]> By: I WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3477108 I WORFEUS Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:07:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3477108 <em>Worfeus, I don’t think I’ve ever known someone that is not LDS to so thoroughly understand LDS culture and doctrine without putting a bias spin on it either way. I am very active in the LDS church, and everything you have said is dead on. I appreciate your efforts to disseminate correct information. Have you read “Joseph Smith: rough stone rolling” by Richard Lyman Bushman?</em> Comment by LDS — April 5, 2007 @ 1:38 pm Well thanks. I try to be fair. I don't like misinformation, and there seems to be an inordinate amount with regards to the mormons. I have not read Rough Stone Rolling. Worfeus, I don’t think I’ve ever known someone that is not LDS to so thoroughly understand LDS culture and doctrine without putting a bias spin on it either way. I am very active in the LDS church, and everything you have said is dead on. I appreciate your efforts to disseminate correct information. Have you read “Joseph Smith: rough stone rolling” by Richard Lyman Bushman?

Comment by LDS — April 5, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

Well thanks. I try to be fair. I don’t like misinformation, and there seems to be an inordinate amount with regards to the mormons.

I have not read Rough Stone Rolling.

]]> By: LDS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3431538 LDS Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:38:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3431538 Worfeus, I don't think I've ever known someone that is not LDS to so thoroughly understand LDS culture and doctrine without putting a bias spin on it either way. I am very active in the LDS church, and everything you have said is dead on. I appreciate your efforts to disseminate correct information. Have you read "Joseph Smith: rough stone rolling" by Richard Lyman Bushman? Worfeus, I don’t think I’ve ever known someone that is not LDS to so thoroughly understand LDS culture and doctrine without putting a bias spin on it either way. I am very active in the LDS church, and everything you have said is dead on. I appreciate your efforts to disseminate correct information. Have you read “Joseph Smith: rough stone rolling” by Richard Lyman Bushman?

]]> By: vb http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3431004 vb Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:10:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3431004 The topic after about 10 comments left the original post, discussion for the most part became a religion bashing session. It's obvious that this type of discussion isn't going to change anyone's mind pro or con on the Mormon issue. Why do it? As far as Romney being a "fake" according to Alex who had to use fowl language to say it, sorry to hear that you have made judgement on someone without doing your homework. If you did you would see that Mitt has done more good for everyone he has come in contact with in his lifetime than most. I hope he has the chance to use his talent of turning things around on our government. Not to say that there are not others that could do some good, but Mitt is absolutely a great American who cares about our country and can and will be a great president if people can get over their bigotry issues. The topic after about 10 comments left the original post, discussion for the most part became a religion bashing session. It’s obvious that this type of discussion isn’t going to change anyone’s mind pro or con on the Mormon issue. Why do it?

As far as Romney being a “fake” according to Alex who had to use fowl language to say it, sorry to hear that you have made judgement on someone without doing your homework. If you did you would see that Mitt has done more good for everyone he has come in contact with in his lifetime than most. I hope he has the chance to use his talent of turning things around on our government. Not to say that there are not others that could do some good, but Mitt is absolutely a great American who cares about our country and can and will be a great president if people can get over their bigotry issues.

]]> By: Blogs for Mitt » Blog Archive » Thursday News Roundup http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3426509 Blogs for Mitt » Blog Archive » Thursday News Roundup Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:54:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3426509 [...] Think Progress tries (and fails) to tie Mitt’s Iraq policy with Richard Nixon’s secret war ending plan for Vietnam.  Apparently, Think Progress would prefer all war plans be published by the New York Times prior to implementation. [...] [...] Think Progress tries (and fails) to tie Mitt’s Iraq policy with Richard Nixon’s secret war ending plan for Vietnam.  Apparently, Think Progress would prefer all war plans be published by the New York Times prior to implementation. [...]

]]> By: Alex Knepper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3408257 Alex Knepper Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:17:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3408257 I really f--king hate Mitt Romney. I'm a libertarian; I'm supporting Giuliani thus far. Out of all of the GOP candidates, I hate Mitt Romney more than any of them -- more than many on the left, too. This guy's the biggest fake the political world has seen in ages. I really f–king hate Mitt Romney. I’m a libertarian; I’m supporting Giuliani thus far. Out of all of the GOP candidates, I hate Mitt Romney more than any of them — more than many on the left, too. This guy’s the biggest fake the political world has seen in ages.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3407203 JPark Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:23:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3407203 #168 Please say that was sarcasm. Otherwise you are one major league dolt. #168 Please say that was sarcasm. Otherwise you are one major league dolt.

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3406913 Wayne Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:12:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3406913 Just so you know, Nixon DID end the war in Vietnam. His “secret plan” worked. Comment by Fact Checker Only because Congress stopped the funding.... Just so you know, Nixon DID end the war in Vietnam. His “secret plan” worked.
Comment by Fact Checker

Only because Congress stopped the funding….

]]> By: Mccs1977 - » Republicans in Retrograde http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3403665 Mccs1977 - » Republicans in Retrograde Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:48:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3403665 [...] Mitt comes up with a secret plan to end the [...] [...] Mitt comes up with a secret plan to end the [...]

]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3402683 Raymond Funamoto Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:29:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3402683 THE SCARECROW OF Mitt ROMNEY MARSH HAS A SECRET PLAN TO END THE WAR IN Iraq! I SHALL REVEAL IT NOW FOR ALL TO SEE--HERE IT IS,LOUD AND CLEAR: ( ) DID YOU BLINK? NO WONDER YOU MISSED IT! HERE IT IS AGAIN: ( ) Mitt, YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO FLESH YOUR "PLAN" OUT A LITTLE BIT, YOU STUPID IGNORAMUS!!!!! THE SCARECROW OF Mitt ROMNEY MARSH HAS A SECRET PLAN TO END THE WAR IN Iraq! I SHALL REVEAL IT NOW FOR ALL TO SEE–HERE IT IS,LOUD AND CLEAR: ( )
DID YOU BLINK? NO WONDER YOU MISSED IT! HERE IT IS AGAIN:
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Mitt, YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO FLESH YOUR “PLAN” OUT A LITTLE BIT, YOU STUPID IGNORAMUS!!!!!

]]> By: Fact Checker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3401468 Fact Checker Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:00:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3401468 Just so you know, Nixon DID end the war in Vietnam. His "secret plan" worked. Just so you know, Nixon DID end the war in Vietnam. His “secret plan” worked.

]]> By: Cameron http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3399496 Cameron Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:08:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3399496 biased? who said this report was biased? (ps, it's quite obviously biased, and overexagerated, did you know the media actually said that Romney received money from his church? that would be illegal, by the way, both by the government policy and by the church's). biased? who said this report was biased? (ps, it’s quite obviously biased, and overexagerated, did you know the media actually said that Romney received money from his church? that would be illegal, by the way, both by the government policy and by the church’s).

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3398325 Uncle Ho Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:20:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3398325 "Secret Plan to end the war" Yeah, right. I've seen THIS movie before. Excuse me, while I get a barf bag. “Secret Plan to end the war” Yeah, right. I’ve seen THIS movie before. Excuse me, while I get a barf bag.

]]> By: I WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3396944 I WORFEUS Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:12:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3396944 <em>If you want to know what the LDS faith actually believes go to www.lds.org I will admit, I’ve had some good laughs at the comments. It’s like a bunch of Jr. High kids trying to explain what they know of molecular biology from a South Park episode.</em> Comment by Drew Rockefeller — April 4, 2007 @ 5:47 pm Yea? And your offering was what again? Oh yea. A link to the church website. :| wow Do you know any other tricks? If you want to know what the LDS faith actually believes go to http://www.lds.org I will admit, I’ve had some good laughs at the comments. It’s like a bunch of Jr. High kids trying to explain what they know of molecular biology from a South Park episode.

Comment by Drew Rockefeller — April 4, 2007 @ 5:47 pm

Yea?

And your offering was what again?

Oh yea. A link to the church website.

:|

wow

Do you know any other tricks?

]]> By: I WORFEUS http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3396841 I WORFEUS Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:08:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3396841 <em>Like I said, they teach from the writings in the Journal asif they are also gospel, so disclaiming the writings there is hypocritical on the Church’s part, at least imho.</em> Comment by Wayne — April 4, 2007 @ 5:44 pm Well on the local level they are not supposed to be teaching from those books other than for historical reference. Sunday School, Priesthood and Relief Society lessons are taught from approved manuals that do not reference the History of the Church or the Journal of Discourses unless stating a historical observation. The lessons are taken directly from the 4 cannon of mormon scripture, in order of importance, hence the Bible, (King James Version only) the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and teh Pearl of Great Price. Talks and lessons are designed to be made around these 4 cannon. There are peripheral activities, like seminary and youth meetings, that lean more on these materials, and it is also common for local class leaders to bypass the approved study material and they may draw from these references and present them in something other than the historical light the church intends them to be shown in, but these are individual choices made at the local level, and once again not church policy and would not be sanctioned by the church. Like I said, they teach from the writings in the Journal asif they are also gospel, so disclaiming the writings there is hypocritical on the Church’s part, at least imho.

Comment by Wayne — April 4, 2007 @ 5:44 pm

Well on the local level they are not supposed to be teaching from those books other than for historical reference. Sunday School, Priesthood and Relief Society lessons are taught from approved manuals that do not reference the History of the Church or the Journal of Discourses unless stating a historical observation. The lessons are taken directly from the 4 cannon of mormon scripture, in order of importance, hence the Bible, (King James Version only) the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and teh Pearl of Great Price. Talks and lessons are designed to be made around these 4 cannon.

There are peripheral activities, like seminary and youth meetings, that lean more on these materials, and it is also common for local class leaders to bypass the approved study material and they may draw from these references and present them in something other than the historical light the church intends them to be shown in, but these are individual choices made at the local level, and once again not church policy and would not be sanctioned by the church.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/comment-page-4/#comment-3396773 JPark Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:06:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/04/romney-timeline/#comment-3396773 #162 In other words you are just feeling pompous today? #162 In other words you are just feeling pompous today?

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