ThinkFast: April 4, 2007
ThinkFast: April 4, 2007
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is delaying his formal entry into the presidential campaign to deliver a “major speech on Iraq” on April 11 at the Virginia Military Institute. McCain “now faces a forest of hurdles, including continued skepticism from the party’s conservative base and mocking coverage of his televised assertions that Iraq is safer than portrayed by the media.”
While President Bush has focused much of his opposition to the Iraq redeployment on the earmarks attached to it, the Washington Post reports, “such spending has been part of Iraq funding bills since the war began, sometimes inserted by the president himself, sometimes added by lawmakers with bipartisan aplomb.”
The House Armed Services Committee has said it will stop using the phrase “global war on terror.” A memo for the committee staff, circulated March 27, says defense policy should be specific about military operations and “avoid using colloquialisms.”
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) will co-head a private bipartisan delegation to North Korea next week to retrieve the remains of U.S. troops lost during the Korean War. Conservatives are up in the arms over the announcement. Political consultant Ed Rogers observed, “Talk about retreating to a Clinton policy.”
The New York Times criticizes the Bush administration for its suggestion that Matthew Dowd and other war critics “whose children are at risk are too ‘emotional’ to see things clearly,” calling it “deeply wrong” and “especially galling from a president who from the start tried to paint this war as virtually sacrifice-free.”
Tim Griffin, the U.S. attorney named as the replacement for Bud Cummins in Arkansas, “claims on his official Web site that he prosecuted 40 criminal cases while at Ft. Campbell, where he was stationed from September 2005 to May 2006. But Army authorities say Ft. Campbell’s records show Griffin only serving as assistant trial counsel on three cases, none of which went to trial.”
“In March, a total of 2,762 Iraqi civilians and policemen were killed, down 4 percent from the previous month, when 2,864 were killed. The number of Iraqi policemen killed across Iraq nearly doubled from 171 in February to 331 in March, according to Interior Ministry statistics.”
“The Bush administration has begun to step up its efforts to build a controversial missile defense system in eastern Europe, launching a public push in recent weeks…to overcome fears of a new arms race elsewhere on the continent,” the LA Times reports. The move “could escalate a simmering diplomatic issue into a significant international dispute.”
And finally: The Chicago Sun-Times is crediting political satirist Stephen Colbert with the record-breaking increase of applicants to Knox College in Illinois. Since Colbert spoke at the school’s commencement ceremony last year, and subsequently mentioned Knox on his TV show, the school has seen a 20% increase in applicants.
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The link in the above article about Bill Richardson points right back to the very same article.
Whats that all about?
April 4th, 2007 at 9:10 amYou missed this:
U.S. agents visit Ethiopian secret jails
Yet Bush and others have the gall to criticize Iran!
April 4th, 2007 at 9:14 amSince Colbert spoke at the school’s commencement ceremony last year, and subsequently mentioned Knox on his TV show, the school has seen a 20% increase in applicants.
It’s the Colbert Bumpâ„¢!
I can’t wait to hear Stephen crowing about this on a future show. ^_^
April 4th, 2007 at 9:15 amNo politics involved here folks, nothing to see, move along.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:16 amDale -
Please elaborate on how being more specific about military operations rather than using a blanket term is political?
April 4th, 2007 at 9:24 amAs far as the Chimp portraying the war in Iraqnam as being “sacrifice free”- for him it has been. Its cost him nothing financially or emotionally. Neither of his pampered kids has had to go there and come back with parts missing, or lying in a pine box, and he has not been held accountable for one single lie that has spewed from his mouth. To me, saying that the military action in Iraqnam was “sacrifice free” is very true for the Chimp. Unfortunately for the parents of about 3300 dead American kids and 10s of thousands of wounded American kids, there has been real and permanent sacrifice. The Chimp doesn’t understand that however.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:25 amTim Griffin, the U.S. attorney named as the replacement for Bud Cummins in Arkansas, “claims on his official Web site that he prosecuted 40 criminal cases while at Ft. Campbell, where he was stationed from September 2005 to May 2006. But Army authorities say Ft. Campbell’s records show Griffin only serving as assistant trial counsel on three cases, none of which went to trial.â€
Wow, a bootlicker with inflated credentials. How in the world did that happen? :-|
April 4th, 2007 at 9:28 amIs anyone else as fed up as me with MSM not pointing out three GOP’ers met in Damascus just last Sunday?
April 4th, 2007 at 9:30 amI understand why the WH doesn’t mention it, but what’s with CNN, et al, that they only parrot Bush’s talking points but neglect to mention the facts.
Bush’s speech yesterday was beyond pathetic. Just go ahead and veto, already! He must think his threats will change the legislation. Bubble Boy needs to wake up & smell Democracy. Dowd did, but Bartlett has already explained that he’s being too ‘emotional’.
SSDD.
What’s up with the pharmaceutical sponsored ads running during Countdown with Keith Olberman? Do the drug companies seriously think Keith’s audience swallows their propaganda about non-negotiated prices being the best deal for Medicare and the American taxpayer? Good God do they think we’re that stupid and uninformed?
The 400,000 or so of us who watch Keith (not Bill-O or American Idol which are on at the same time) are probably the best informed on political issues in the country. Do they honestly believe that a 30 second commerical will convince Keith’s viewers that allowing Drug Companies to charge up to 500% more per prescription is good for our country?
I have a question for the Drug companies. When you bought these commercial spots did you neogotiate a reduced rate for buying more of them? Or did offer to pay the higher price that would be charged for a shorter run? A-holes.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:31 amI think the new Standard Form 171 used for job applications in the Bush Administration have a separate block to fill out to describe your boot licking (and other licking) abilities. Don’t quote me on that but I think its true. Maybe KKKarl can elaborate on it. He or Jeff Gannon.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:32 amGood on ya’ Gov Richardson
April 4th, 2007 at 9:33 am1) calls into question whether or not the Iraqi War is part of the war on terror (can’t get much more political than that).
2) the Dems on the committee made the decision
3) it’s disingenuous…. GWOT is all about the attempt to defeat global terrorism; by changing the term, you’re saying that the various areas have no connection to one another.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:35 amEd Rogers needs to concentrate on the important point… unless Gov Richardson is just trying to score political points (which I don’t believe), he’s doing a good thing… something long overdue.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:39 amsorry, my post #11 was in response to #4
April 4th, 2007 at 9:39 amBush is still using secret prisons around the globe.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:40 amhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/03/dns_master_key_controversy/
The US Department of Homeland Security is pushing to get hold of the master keys for a proposed revision of the internet’s domain name system.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Massive_security_contractor_faces_growing_protest_0403.html
April 4th, 2007 at 9:40 amBut if private security contractor Blackwater USA gets its way, this 850-strong community will soon host an 824-acre military training base, replacing the erstwhile chicken ranch with fifteen firing ranges and an emergency vehicle operator’s course the length of ten football fields.
Comment by Dale — April 4, 2007 @ 9:35 am
I disagree. GWOT is all about profits for the defense industry and other War Profiteers.
The only way to win a war on terror is to address the root causes of disparity of income, equality of justice and opportunities, and liberty.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:43 amTo ignore that and use violence is like trying to put out a fire by dousing it with gasoline.
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Premature Iraqulation has left W’s War on Freedom in a quagmire. Now he’s blaming others for his own misdeeds.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:46 amI would guess this fits the rest of his miserable life, as well. Spoiled kid, always got his way, quick to blame other for his own actions. He stood and lied to the American people yesterday. You could smell Rove all over that speech. The last supplemental spending bill, as noted above, had $15 Billion in pork and not one Bushlicker complained.
Shoe. Other Foot.
#11 Dale
Answer to item 1: No, the “Iraqi War” isn’t part of the war on terror.
It’s not a question of whether or not there is or should be a “global war on terror”. It’s a matter of people throwing all kinds of things into that basket that shouldn’t be there, such as the invasion and continued occupation of Iraq.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:48 amWell, we’re trying to address the ‘equality of justice’ and ‘liberty’ in Iraq; and getting blasted for it by the left.
Address the disparity of income? How, by giving them money? Is that really the answer? Haven’t you ever heard “You can give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime”.
What about helping them to become successful and wealthy themselves?
April 4th, 2007 at 9:50 amForgive me if I disagree. The way to stop terrorism is to stop bombing and invading countries to take their resources. Economic equality has little to do with it.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:51 am1) calls into question whether or not the Iraqi War is part of the war on terror (can’t get much more political than that).
This does no such thing. It simply requires terms and objectives that are better defined, allowing LESS political interjection into the missions and goals of our military. Now, missions that are, in fact, related to terrorism can be justly labeled…better defining our focus on defeating terrorism.
2) the Dems on the committee made the decision
I do agree that Repugs should have been consulted. However, their reaction to this just shows that they wish to make this a political argument, rather than trying to determine if the change is actually better for our mission and troops.
3) it’s disingenuous…. GWOT is all about the attempt to defeat global terrorism; by changing the term, you’re saying that the various areas have no connection to one another.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:52 amThe GWOT is a poorly defined term whose efficacy amounts to the “war on drugs” or the “war on crime” or the dreaded “war on communism”. By better defining the GWOT, we will have a much more objective view of our progress and know where to pool resources to be the most effective. The term GWOT is ineffective, as are those hoping to win the GWOT. It can’t be done…you need to define objectives and set goals which allows you to better monitor progress.
“The Bush administration has begun to step up its efforts to build a controversial missile defense system in eastern Europe, launching a public push in recent weeks…to overcome fears of a new arms race elsewhere on the continent,†the LA Times reports. The move “could escalate a simmering diplomatic issue into a significant international dispute.â€
And, in the interest of fairness, I’m sure the Bush administration wouldn’t mind the Russians setting up their missile defense system on the friendly island nation of Cuba. Oh, don’t worry. It’s not for use against the United States. Russia just wants to defend Central America from a missile attack.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:52 am#18, you do realize, I hope, that Hussein supported terrorism, right? No, he wasn’t behind 9/11, but he *did* support terrorism… can we agree on that?
April 4th, 2007 at 9:53 amBriseadh_na_faire,
Exactly!
April 4th, 2007 at 9:53 amThe New York Times criticizes the Bush administration for its suggestion that Matthew Dowd and other war critics “whose children are at risk are too ‘emotional’ to see things clearly,†calling it “deeply wrong†and “especially galling from a president who from the start tried to paint this war as virtually sacrifice-free.â€
It’s not that war critics who have a family member serving in Iraq are too emotional. It’s just that pro-war Bushies are sociopathic and don’t give a rat’s ass who dies. As long as it’s not themselves.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:55 am#23-, you do realize, I hope, that George W Bush supports terrorism, right? No, he wasn’t behind 9/11 (or was he?) but he *does* support terrorism… can we agree on that?
April 4th, 2007 at 9:57 amDale,
The Republic666ans support terrorists. We are currently funding terrorist organizations as the Republic666ans have for years and years so give the Saddam link to terrorists a rest already. Fuck*ng hypocrites
April 4th, 2007 at 9:58 amDale, Saddam probably supported terrorism LESS than any Gulf state, certainly much less than Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. So why the hell are we wasting our army attacking them? To depose a bad guy with the weakest army in the region? It’s incredibly stupid.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:02 am#18, you do realize, I hope, that Hussein supported terrorism, right? No, he wasn’t behind 9/11, but he *did* support terrorism… can we agree on that?
Comment by Dale — April 4, 2007 @ 9:53 am
You do realize, I hope, that Saudia Arabia not only supported terrorism, but financed them, right? Yes, they were behind 9/11, and yet nothing has been done to Saudia Arabia, or UBL…can we agree on that?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:05 am#19 Dale
Address the disparity of income? How, by giving them money? Is that really the answer? Haven’t you ever heard “You can give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetimeâ€.
Yeah, just because we destroyed a guy’s home, killed half of his family, tortured his neighbor for no good reason, left him with no place to work and earn a decent living, knocked out his electrical supply and made clean drinking water hard to find, let loose a bunch of crooked politicians and cops to leech off the populace, and kept his neighborhood a war zone caught in the middle of an eternal struggle between opposing militia–it doesn’t mean he can’t pull himself up by his sandal straps and make a go of it. Why should WE have to do anything for him? If we help him out, he’ll just get lazy.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:05 amTo depose a bad guy with the weakest army in the region? It’s incredibly stupid.
Comment by VerbalKint
Oh, but it looks so good to those nationalist extremist like Dale who loves propaganda doctrine by TV.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:09 am#24 Dale
#18, you do realize, I hope, that Hussein supported terrorism, right? No, he wasn’t behind 9/11, but he *did* support terrorism… can we agree on that?
You do agree that George W. Bush sponsors terrorism, don’t you? His support for the MEK and the Jundullah does equate to support for terrorists. Can we agree on that?
Bush didn’t invade Iraq because of Hussein’s support for Hamas. He specifically linked the invasion to 9/11.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:10 am#31, hmm, let’s see if I’m correct in the point you’re making.
BnF and I were talking about the war on terror… he made the point that one way to stop the war on terror is to address the disparity-of-income issue. (#17) I responded that I didn’t think we should just give them money, but rather help them to help themselves (#20).
Now *you*, in all your BDS-induced wisdom, bring up points about ‘destroyed a guy’s home, killed half of his family, tortured his neighbor for no good reason, left him with no place to work and earn a decent living, knocked out his electrical supply and made clean drinking water hard to find’ (etc) in #31… an obvious reference to Iraq.
But I thought Iraq wasn’t about terrorism any more? That it was about insurgents and Shiite-vs-Sunni?
So which is it? Is Iraq about terrorism? (which would make your point in #31 relevant) or is Iraq NOT about terrorism (which would make your point in #31 irrelevant, and just another example of ranting and raving).
April 4th, 2007 at 10:15 amGlobal War on Terror has served its purpose of duping the gullible public into buying the PNAC’s f’ed up vision of U.S. hegemony. No need for the title anymore.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:15 am#33, please show me references where Bush said Hussein was behind 9/11.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:15 amhttp://www.nbc4.com/news/11516096/detail.html?dl=headlineclick
April 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amStudents Pelt Karl Rove In Protest
(with video)
#34… sorry, guess I assumed BnF was male… could be female… my apologies to BnF for the assumption.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:16 am#34 – Are you agreeing that the war in Iraq is creating terrorists?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amDale working the spin, spin Dale spin.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:17 amhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/04/childrens_cctv/
April 4th, 2007 at 10:20 am1984 is coming true. Not only is George Orwell’s old neighborhood riddled with surveillance cameras, some of UK’s cameras will bark admonitions to passers by in children’s voices.
Didn’t the Bushies just go ballistic recently when a Democratic Senator (Fienstein – CA ?) told Condi she had no emotional attachments because she was a mother and/or parent in a position to lose a family member to war in Iraq?? They validated the agrument that you don’t have to have a family member serving to have emotional attachements to this quagmire then turn around when anyone is critical of Bush as too emotionally attached…The hypocracy just never ends with these tards!
April 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amDale sez:
Here ya go…
April 4th, 2007 at 10:21 am
HEY DALE!
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606190008
April 4th, 2007 at 10:23 amSpin Dale spin
April 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am#34 Dale
So which is it? Is Iraq about terrorism? (which would make your point in #31 relevant) or is Iraq NOT about terrorism (which would make your point in #31 irrelevant, and just another example of ranting and raving).
Oh, I’m sorry. Did you just finally get off that kick about Iraq being part of the GWOT? Which post was it where you finally jumped off?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:33 am#34 Dale
I suppose it was this line that made me think you were talking about terrorists in Iraq:
#31 Well, we’re trying to address the ‘equality of justice’ and ‘liberty’ in Iraq; and getting blasted for it by the left.
So, just to clarify now, are you agreeing with us that Iraq is NOT part of the so-called Global War on Terror? Or did you jump back on that bandwagon again?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:36 am#43 and #44
Bush made this statement on 9/17/03: We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th . What the Vice President said was, is that he has been involved with al Qaeda. And al Sarawak, al Qaeda operative, was in Baghdad. He’s the guy that ordered the killing of a U.S. diplomat. He’s a man who is still running loose, involved with the poisons network, involved with Ansar al-Islam. There’s no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties.
And in his letter to congress, he didn’t say that there was a link, he said that invading Iraq is consistent with the goal of going after terrorists.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:39 am#36 Dale
please show me references where Bush said Hussein was behind 9/11.
Look it up yourself. Most of the trolls have long since given up on that argument. It’s not even arguable anymore.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:42 am#46 and #47, the line about ‘addressing the equality… etc’ was in response to a separate point, not about addressing the disparity of income.
My feeling is that the War in Iraq IS part of GWOT. I never said anything different. (Please show where I *did* say different)
So are you going to answer my question in #34? Is Iraq about terrorism, in which case your point has relevance? Or is it not, in which case your point was irrelevant?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:43 amKeep the pressure and focus on Sen. McCain to resign for his bogus stunt in Iraq. Sen. Graham must be forced to resign from the Congress as well.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amTim Griffin, the U.S. attorney named as the replacement for Bud Cummins in Arkansas, “claims on his official Web site that he prosecuted 40 criminal cases while at Ft. Campbell, where he was stationed from September 2005 to May 2006. But Army authorities say Ft. Campbell’s records show Griffin only serving as assistant trial counsel on three cases, none of which went to trial.â€
A rethug lying? Get out of here.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amAnd gee, look at this points DIRECTLY FROM THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT.
Page 58 – Bin Laden built his Islamic army with groups in various countries, including Iraq.
Bin Ladin now had a vision of himself as head of an international jihad con federation. In Sudan, he established an “Islamic Army Shura†that was to serve as the coordinating body for the consortium of terrorist groups with which he was forging alliances. It was composed of his own al Qaeda Shura together with leaders or representatives of terrorist organizations that were still independent. In building this Islamic army, he enlisted groups from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Oman, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Somalia, and Eritrea.
Page 61 – Bin Laden willing to explore a relationship with Iraq.
Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation with Iraq, even though Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an Islamist agenda—save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the faithful against “Crusaders†during the Gulf War of 1991. Moreover, Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into his Islamic army.
Page 61 – Bin Laden agrees to stop supporting activities against Saddam; Reports indicate Saddam may have supported, or at least tolerated, Ansar al-Islam.
To protect his own ties with Iraq,Turabi reportedly brokered an agreement that Bin Ladin would stop supporting activities against Saddam. Bin Ladin apparently honored this pledge, at least for a time, although he continued to aid a group of Islamist extremists operating in part of Iraq (Kurdistan) outside of Baghdad’s control. In the late 1990s, these extremist groups suffered major defeats by Kurdish forces. In 2001, with Bin Ladin’s help they re-formed into an organization called Ansar al Islam.There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.
Page 61 – Bin Laden met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, and asked for assistance. No evidence of an Iraqi response. This was not the last attempt.
With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request.55 As described below, the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections.
Page 66 – Iraq took the initiative to contact Al Qaeda.
In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December.
Page 125 – Clarke points out that Iraq had discussed hosting Bin Laden.
Clarke commented that Iraq and Libya had previously discussed hosting Bin Ladin, though he and his staff had their doubts that Bin Ladin would trust secular Arab dictators such as Saddam Hussein or Muammar Qadhafi.
Page 128 – Clarke suggests that a chemical factory is probably the result of an Iraq-Al Qaeda agreement. Chemical evidence backs that up.
The original sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had “reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.â€109 This passage led Clarke, who for years had read intelligence reports on Iraqi-Sudanese cooperation on chemical weapons, to speculate to Berger that a large Iraqi presence at chemical facilities in Khartoum was “probably a direct result of the Iraq–Al Qida agreement.†Clarke added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the “exact formula used by Iraq.â€110 This language about al Qaeda’s “understanding†with Iraq had been dropped, however, when a superseding indictment was filed in November 1998.
Page 134 – Clarke discusses the possibility–even likelihood–that Bin Laden would move to Baghdad, if attacked in Afghanistan, and cooperate with Saddam.
Here’s a link to a page that has direct links to the 9/11 report… just in case any of you would like to have your eyes opened.
So please tell me, after reading the data DIRECTLY FROM THE 9/11 REPORT… was there, or was there not a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:47 amUh, chimpeach… I just presented proof that there was INDEED a link between 9/11 and Iraq… direct from the 9/11 commission report, and part of it testimony from Clarke, the darling of the left… nothing to say?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:50 amFunny how the right cowers for the protection of military when they have something to say.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:52 ammccain/ mcflight always seek the stage in front of the servants of their cause.
And if your chosen to attend you keep your mouth shut!
So please tell me, after reading the data DIRECTLY FROM THE 9/11 REPORT… was there, or was there not a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq?
Comment by Dale
Uhhh, the COMISSION REPORT!!! A book full of lies. Come on.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:56 amSpin Dale, spin
April 4th, 2007 at 10:56 amDale sez:
Moving the goalposts. Your original request was for references where Bush said Hussein was behind 9/11. Those have been supplied, your hysterical naysaying notwithstanding.
Oh, and by the way, I couldn’t help but notice that the excerpt of the 9/11 Commission Report you posted mentions bin Laden 19 times (although, inexplicably, they can’t seem to settle on a consistent spelling of the name). How’s that manhunt coming along? Any leads?
April 4th, 2007 at 10:58 am#50 Dale
So are you going to answer my question in #34? Is Iraq about terrorism, in which case your point has relevance? Or is it not, in which case your point was irrelevant?
Here’s #20 again for you, since you really need to analyze the shit out of this:
The only way to win a war on terror is to address the root causes of disparity of income, equality of justice and opportunities, and liberty. [Bnf]
Well, we’re trying to address the ‘equality of justice’ and ‘liberty’ in Iraq; and getting blasted for it by the left.
Address the disparity of income? How, by giving them money?
It was you who took the discussion of the “way to win a war on terror” into Iraq. See? It’s right there in the quote above. Just because I didn’t point out to you once again that Iraq isn’t part of the war on terror and, instead, decided to address the argument about disparity of income, does that mean I suddenly have accepted your premise that Iraq is part of the war on terror? No.
All I did was point out what I saw wrong with your little “disparity of income” approach as it applies to Iraq. Whether or not it’s terrorism is irrelevant to my point.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amSo anything that doesn’t agree with your worldview is ‘a book full of lies’, right? A bi-partisan report that used info from Richard Clarke? Why don’t you just say that Fox News is behind 9/11 commission?
Sad, really sad.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amWell, the great majority of you let Dale hijack the thread. He has no interest in engaging in true dialog with anyone; he simply wants to get the thread disrupted. One or two answers that indicate Dale’s trollness (or anyone else) should be enough. Then ignore the troll and look at the real problems: Iraq occupation, attorneys general removal, head scarves, etc.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:01 am#58, keep reaching chimpeach… they were two separate points… the ‘equality of justice’ I *did* equate with Iraq… the ‘disparity of income’, which was A SEPARATE POINT, was NOT equated with Iraq…. until YOU equated it with Iraq.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:03 am#59 “QUICK EVERYBODY, someone is bringing up info that support his point of view… let’s call him a troll and blame him for hijacking the thread… under NO circumstances should we address the info he’s raised”
April 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amAnd it looks like TP deleted chimpeach’s thread due to language… (it used to be #58).
So, guess the post references are all messed up now :-) (TP is there any way you can change it to ‘post deleted’ instead of really deleting it? Just a minor annoyance.)
April 4th, 2007 at 11:05 amOh, and BearCountry… I didn’t ‘hijack’ anything… my posts were always in response to either other posts or to the initial posts of this thread.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amA bi-partisan report that used info from Richard Clarke?
Comment by Dale
Bi-partisan??? Ha ha ha. And thats supposed to say it is accurate??? Oh, you have so much to learn about governments in general.
First, it was a report based on events that Bush didnt want to investigate. Only 4 years later, it passed. Why would you want to hold an investigation of the most horrendous attack on US soil?
For example:
The failure of the Commission, while bragging that it presented its final report “without dissent,†to point out that this was probably possible only because Max Cleland, the commissioner who was most critical of the White House and swore that he would not be part of “looking at information only partially,†had to resign in order to accept a position with the Export-Import Bank, and that the White House forwarded his nomination for this position only after he was becoming quite outspoken in his criticisms
As you say, Dale.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:08 amSad, really sad.
#36 Dale
#33, please show me references where Bush said Hussein was behind 9/11.
Here’s what I said in #33:
He specifically linked the invasion to 9/11.
My original statement was correct. You altered it in your response to say something different (”Hussein was behind 9/11″ vs. “[Bush] linked the invasion to 9/11″). But, if you think Bush didn’t say Hussein was behind 9/11, then why are you now trying to convince us that Hussein was behind 9/11?
Do you actually have a point of view that you’d like to stick with through the whole argument or are you just going to keep shifting around trying out new angles and changing your core premise? And, at this point, does anyone know what that is?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:10 am#62 Dale
What? You can’t say “shit” anymore? Okay, I’ll try to use “crap” from now on. Is “bullshit” still okay?
April 4th, 2007 at 11:13 am#59 BearCountry
Well, the great majority of you let Dale hijack the thread. He has no interest in engaging in true dialog with anyone; he simply wants to get the thread disrupted.
I just wanted to see how much more he could spin before he starts arguing with himself.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:17 am#66, Hey, it isn’t my rule… complain to TP. (of course, if they’ve deleted #66, then the post references will once again be messed up :-)
#65, I *don’t* think Hussein was behind 9/11, but I do think he had strong ties to terrorism, which was my original point.
April 4th, 2007 at 11:29 amDale has to be Jake reincarnated. There simply cannot be three people that dumb in the world (I include W in that count.).
April 4th, 2007 at 12:07 pmCaption Contest:
McCain: Hey everyone, how do you like my new bonnet? I got five of ‘em for five bucks.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:19 pmCaption Contest:
McCain: “A three hour tour, three hour tour….”
April 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pmCaption Contest:
McCain: “oh sh*t, there goes the sharabang,
April 4th, 2007 at 12:28 pmlooks like I’m going to stuck here the whole summer,
well what a bummer…”
Tip to Hugh Cornwell, “Peaches”
I like Bill Richardson – I think he and Obama or he and Edwards would be a great pres/vp combo – in any order. Richardson has a long diplomatic pedigree that would offset the lack of such in the other two.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhen exactly did McCain get back from Gilligan’s Island?
April 4th, 2007 at 12:34 pmTim Griffin, the U.S. attorney named as the replacement for Bud Cummins in Arkansas, “claims on his official Web site that he prosecuted 40 criminal cases while at Ft. Campbell, where he was stationed from September 2005 to May 2006. But Army authorities say Ft. Campbell’s records show Griffin only serving as assistant trial counsel on three cases, none of which went to trial.â€
He actually meant he tried to try…he was taken out of context.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pm“The Bush administration has begun to step up its efforts to build a controversial missile defense system in eastern Europe, launching a public push in recent weeks…to overcome fears of a new arms race elsewhere on the continent,†the LA Times reports. The move “could escalate a simmering diplomatic issue into a significant international dispute.â€
I guess we have not pissed off enough countries yet. Got to get this cold war restarted so Condi can finally use her Russian expertise.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pmArmy authorities say Ft. Campbell’s records show Griffin only serving as assistant trial counsel on three cases, none of which went to trial.â€
Well, what do you know… another crony with insufficient, hyped, fake credentials to perform the role he was appointed to do.
But his predecessor was fired due to performance issues (aka incompetency), right trolls?
April 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pmFrom Raw Story:
Massive security contractor faces growing protest in rural California town over 842-acre base
SAN DIEGO — Potrero, California boasts a broad swath of meadowland that currently houses derelict chicken coops.
Surrounded by the Cleveland National Forest, the property boasts a former chicken ranch and includes an environmentally sensitive, protected agricultural preserve southeast of San Diego.
But if private security contractor Blackwater USA gets its way, this 850-strong community will soon host an 824-acre military training base, replacing the erstwhile chicken ranch with fifteen firing ranges and an emergency vehicle operator’s course the length of ten football fields.
A RAW STORY investigation has already led to the removal of one lawyer connected to the project. The inquiry has also discovered that California congressman and current presidential candidate Duncan Hunter — who is the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee — is a client of the firm, Blackwater USA, a massive US security contractor in Iraq.
Duncan Hunter is my rep.; I think I’ll give his office a call, and find out why he’s a client of theirs. I’d also like to know who’s paying the tab.
April 4th, 2007 at 1:17 pmDale: “Address the disparity of income? How, by giving them money? Is that really the answer? Haven’t you ever heard “You can give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetimeâ€.
OK, Dale, from the same book:
“For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required.†— Luke 12:48
April 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmReal emotion is the hallmark of a human being with a conscience and a soul; obvious lack of emotion is the hallmark of a sociopath/psychopath…..what were you saying Dubya????
April 4th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAND NOW….LIVE FROM Iraq, IT’S SATURDAY NIGHT DEAD WITH PASTY-FACED, FLIP-FLOPPING, SCHIZOID MADMAN McPAIN IN A CHARMING POLLYANNA DIRNDL AND PIGTAILS, RARIN’ TO GIVE HIS “major speech on Iraq”—-JUST PRECIOUS—-SAY DIDN’T THE HITLER YOUTH OF BUDDING NAZI-FASCISTS OF THE THIRD REICH WEAR SUCH CLOTHES? I GUESS IF IT’S NAZI ITS NICE FOR McPAIN—ANYTHING TO GET A VOTE, EH, John? McPAIN IS CARRYING ON THE FOURTH REICH NAZI-FASCIST MENTALITY OF CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies, NICHT WAHR????
Ah Yes, Monkey Boy CHIMPya’s FAVOURITE PHRASE WHEN IT COMES TO HIS STEWARD-, NAY, DICTATOR- SHIP OF THE presidency WITH REGARDS TO ACTIONS HE AND HIS repugnant-repub party TAKE WITH REGARDS TO SPENDING BILLS AND THE LIKE—-’DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO!” IF I AND repugnant-repubs DO IT, IT’S FINE—-IF DEMOCRATS DO IT, SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR, SLANDER AND CRITICIZE IT—WHAT A F*CKING PIECE OF HYENA-SHIT SEWER RAT CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies and the repugnant-repubs IN CONGRESS WHO SUPPORT him ARE!!!!!
“Global War On Terror”—ABOUT TIME THEY CHANGED THE PHRASE, BECAUSE CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies HAVE DONE NOTHING TO EFFECTIVELY FIGHT THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR, INCLUDING NOT YET CAPTURING OR KILLING Osama AND Ayman, AS WELL AS THE SHEER PROBABILITY LUCK OF AMERICA NOT BEING HIT BY terrorists ONCE AGAIN DURING HIS WATCH, SHEER LUCK THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ATTACKED, AND NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MISERABLE JOB CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies HAVE BEEN DOING IN NOT KEEPING US SAFE AS THEY WOULD LYINGLY HAVE US BELIEVE THEY ARE, WHICH THEY AREN’T AND WHICH WE DON’T BELIEVE IN THEM AT ALL!!!!!
Ed Rogers—A PROVEN CRIMINAL AND CONSPIRATOR IN FRAUD, BRIBERY AND ILLEGAL MONEY-LAUNDERING IN CONNECTION WITH Kamal Adham and the BCCI SCANDAL—A COMMON THIEF AND CRIMINAL, A MOUNTEBANK SCOUNDREL TALKING ABOUT “retreating to a Clinton policy?” DON’T MAKE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD IN YOUR SAPPY LYING FOUR-EYED FACE, Rogers, YOU fudge-pachyderm SCUM-SHIT!!!!
WE KNOW THIS, The New York Times(tm), YOU MSM SHOULD BE OUT THERE DIGGING UP ALL THE DIRT ON CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies—AND STOP TALKING AFTER THE FACT ABOUT “tried to paint this war as virtually sacrifice free” WHEN YOU LAPDOGS OF THE PRESS, INCLUDING THE NYT(New York Times), ALL GAVE Monkey Boy CHIMPya A PASS CARD ON HIS INHUMAN, ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL RUN UP TO THE Iraq INVASION, HIS ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING AND SPYING, ETC. WHEN YOU GUYS COULD HAVE PULLED THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER CHIMPya FROM THE BEGINNING SO HE COULDN’T HAVE GONE INTO Iraq IF YOU HAD BLOWN THE WHISTLE ON HIS LIES AT THE BEGINNING—STOP TRYING TO RATIONALIZE YOUR OWN LACK OF INTESTINAL FORTITUDE, NYT, IN NOT STANDING UP TO THE TIN-POT LITTLE CAESAR DESPOT CHIMPya, FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!!! TALK ABOUT COWARDS!!!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE E-WARRIORS MUST ATTACK AND DESTROY CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies—RISE UP AMERICA AND TAKE BACK YOUR RIGHTS AND POWER AGAINST OUR ELECTED SERVANTS—WE ARE CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies’ MASTERS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND AS THEY CRIMINALLY THINK IT TO BE!!!!!
A BIT OF “EMBELLISHMENT”, Griffin? MUST HAVE LEARNED HOW TO “UP” YOUR RESUME COURTESY OF Karl FAT-F*CK Rove—DID Rove
“UP YOURS” IN HIS INIMITABLE WAY, Griffin? MUST HAVE BEEN SORE AS HELL THE MORNING AFTER!!!!!
LESS Iraqi CIVILIANS KILLED, MORE Iraqi POLICEMEN KILLED—I GUESS THEY KNEW THE JOB WAS DANGEROUS WHEN THEY TOOK IT, BUT SHEESH!!!!!
A MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM IN EASTERN EUROPE BY “THE GANG THAT COULDN’T SHOOT STRAIGHT”—Russia AND ITS MIDGET DESPOT Putin IS JUST QUAKING IN HIS BOOTS—WHAT’S THAT, HE’S LAUGHING OUT LOUD????? Putin IS ENJOYING CHIMPya’s MEANINGLESS MISSILE FLEXING—BECAUSE HE NEVER DESTROYED HIS OWN CACHE OF MISSILES FROM THE LAST TIME HE “SIGNED” THE Russia-U.S. TREATY WITH CROSSED-FINGERS AND DISAPPEARING INK, KINDA LIKE CHIMPya’s ‘SIGNING STATEMENTS”—-TO QUOTE THE LATE, GREAT CAB CALLOWAY, “It Don’t Mean A Thing If It Ain’t Got That Swing, Doo-Wab-Di-Wab Doo-Wah-Di-Wab Doo-Wab-Di-Wab Doo-Wah-Di-Wah!!!!!”
SO Stephen Colbert IS MORE USEFUL THAT Bushland Uber Allies and Monkey Boy CHIMPya? WILL WONDERS NEVER CEASE??????
April 4th, 2007 at 8:35 pmBush is hell-bent on bringing Armegeddon on. The man is either clinically insane or he is the Antichrist. Whichever it is, he should not be in a position of power on this planet.
April 4th, 2007 at 10:07 pmTick, tick. Very precious few second to midnight. Bush needs to be impeached. With his contol of our nuclear bombs, the man is literally the number one danger to mankind on this planet. On top of a world gone berzerk because of the raw incompetence of this man, he now chooses this moment to push the installation of a “defense” program over Europe ? Why ? Its insane. Its giving Putin incredible new powers and puhsing us back decades, in all practicality into a new cold war. It is pushing civilization to the brink. It is Doctor Strangelove turned into a horror film, one that we are all in. I personally doubt that we will make it to January 20th of 2009. Of all the insignificant stories out there, this one might be the one that does us in.
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