Showdown on immigration: Geraldo v. O’Reilly.
By on Apr 5th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Showdown on immigration: Geraldo v. O’Reilly.
Bill O’Reilly loses the argument and then loses his temper. Oliver Willis has the details. Watch it:
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Bill’s gonna burst an artery if he isn’t careful.
Let’s hope he isn’t careful.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:03 pmWow.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmInasmuch as I hate to admit it…Go Geraldo. Bill just never gets it.
Is he in ratings trouble or something? What a joke.
Someone deport O’Reilly to Insaneville.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmLOL Geraldo and O’Reilly fighting each other? Oh boy the GOPers are eating each other now.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:07 pm#1 I agree…and as we know careful isn’t in his nature…~~fingers crossed~~
April 5th, 2007 at 10:08 pmThis had to be staged.
Ratings must be in the tank; murdoch has told o’lielly to just go with it in his interviews–don’t hold back, bill, get the juices flowing.
His viewership eats this shit up.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:09 pmBill, in my view, way way way down… gets it. That’s why he’s so evil. He knows he lost the argument ….why?…because he gets it. He wasn’t able to stoke the witch hunt bonfire under all immigrants. He is absolutely screwed to the wall bad. Scared, dishonest, and bad
April 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pmW.O.W.! That’s real. Geraldo come back to the light.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pm:|
And they call us moonbats?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pmCmon you cant believe that this wasn’t planned.
Geraldo has been Fauxed for years. They more than likely went out, had plenty of drinks. sexually harassed a few of their studio producers, and then gave away troop positions to the hookers they picked up.
A joke both of them
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April 5th, 2007 at 10:11 pmLord, don’t say “go geraldo”; these two yoyos are cut from the same bolt of cloth.
A good thing is that they’re now yelling at each other; one can only hope for simultaneous on-air heart attacks.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:12 pmWhen he gets mad like that, and pounds his fist, Oreilly makes a pretty good Hitler impersonater.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThat people was an ACT and some FUD LOL
April 5th, 2007 at 10:12 pmGeraldo v. O’Reilly round 1 was the other night about Rosie O
April 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pmThis had to be staged.
Comment by mongo — April 5, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
No way.
Oreilly’s not that good of an actor.
What you just witness was that reich wing rage we all know is lying just beneath the surface.
We should take them all, Geraldo too, toss em in a cage and let them kill each other.
They could put it on Pay Per View.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:15 pmTHIS IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ME PUKE!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW THESE BIRDS ARE ABOUT TO OUTSOURCE
AMERICAN TRUCKER JOBS BY MAY 1, 2007,
JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT… THE BUSH-KENNEDY
PLAN OF FTAA
WHEN OH WHEN ARE THESE POLITICAL PARASITES GOING
April 5th, 2007 at 10:15 pmTO STOP BEING TWO FACED… PAY THEM 50% AND THEY
OUTSOURCE YOUR JOB, WHAT A BUNCH OF CORRUPTION
Two gutless cowardly corporate pre$$titutes with no principles going after each other for political theater. Who cares? Geraldo was hired by Fox for the same reason that Alan Colmes was, to be ritual hate objects like Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWatch a couple of tools.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:17 pmLook at Billy trying to get higher ratings by acting like a tough guy. He could have edited out this exchange since he doesn’t do a live show. But he wants people to see how much of a “warrrior” he is. What a bozo.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:17 pmI don’t see how it could have been an act.
Geraldo looked a little scared there for a moment or too.
He likewise is not that good of an actor.
And if you’ve ever seen Geraldo act, you’d know that he can’t.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:18 pmI’m still laughing, and mopping up the soda that shot out of my nose when I first watched it.
Oreilly looked like he was gonna lay an egg, LMAO
April 5th, 2007 at 10:19 pmWow, Olbermann will have a field day with that clip. Someone at Fox better start cc’ing (carbon copying) Geraldo the talking points before Bill-O breaks blows a gasket.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pmSee, I get really frustrated with the state of the world, Bush’s admin, and women’s rights a lot. I tend to think of myself as an angry liberal. But after watching that, I know I just don’t have access to the unbridled rage that drives O’Reilly and people like him.
That video was more alarming than anything else. How those two think shouting at each other constitutes a political debate is beyond me.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pmActing 101.
Total success. We’re talking about it.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pm“You want anarchy! You want open border anarchy! That’s what you want!”
This from a man whose behavior and show are the very definition of anarchy.
I haven’t seen that kind of beyond control screaming since my kids were in diapers.
Of course, if your diaper is filled with the O’Rielly factor, you have a good reason to scream.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pmGeraldo was a boxer and would mess the ‘drunk’ O’Reilly up with no problem. This was an act! By the way people on fox are actors since I am aware of no actual journalism on that station!
April 5th, 2007 at 10:21 pmI’m sorry mondo—not so much “go geraldo” but that he was bringing up the fact that BO missed the point.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:22 pmThis temper fit has racist fool written all over it. Why else would one get so irate over this topic?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:22 pmThere’s gonna be some hot makeup sex going on there.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:22 pm#20 I agree. O’Reilly isn’t smart enough to be a good actor. He is all emotion.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:23 pmClash of the Stupids.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:23 pmLadies and gentlemen, this is the state of american journalism.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:23 pmThat video was more alarming than anything else. How those two think shouting at each other constitutes a political debate is beyond me.
Comment by brie — April 5, 2007
Yeah. When facts can’t support your bias, the last resort is bullying.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:24 pm…And I’m sure it was staged but as I posted on Oliver Willis:
“BO is not insane. He is insensitive. The travesty is that BO abused the forum. He totally missed the point. The problem of drunk driving is independent of citizenship. My sister was killed by a drunk driver in 1997. I am incensed and insulted that he would trivialize this tragedy. He used the thread to make HIS point, and thanks to modern video technology his totally missing the point and rantings will go down in infamy.”
Just so you know. I am sick and tired of this faux news. I have seen my share of tragedy and they are the type of “news” that glorifies it in such a fake way.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:25 pmoops—mongo (spelling not my suit)
April 5th, 2007 at 10:25 pmI can’t figure out why Bill is so against illegal immigrants anyway.
Bush seems to want to welcome them here, in order to give his corporate owners/donors cheap labor. Why is O’Reilly going against the standard GOP talking points?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:26 pmThe part of Geraldo was played by Jake and the part of O’Reilly was played by Patrick1 for your amusement!
April 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pm#27 Hey, I say go Geraldo. He is right. O’Reilly only likes lily-white drunks.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmp.s. This clip has “our ratings are slipping so juice it up” written all over it…
April 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmBillo is destined for the dust heap of history. I can see him in the not too distant future in some shady bar bald headed and bleary eyed talking about who he used to be and getting his ass kicked by an “illegal” who remembers what a self-serving repugnant prick he is.
Screw you old man your time has passed.
Dubya’s time has passed.
Cheney’s time has passed.
Rumsfeld’s time has certainly passed
To hell with all these old men.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pmNotice how Bill-O handles Geraldo. “You want anarchy”. This was not staged. Bill-O’s mind is labelling Geraldo as the enemy so he can conjure up rage. It’s a subconscious thing.
If it wasn’t clear before, now it is certainly clear how full of rage Bill-O’s mind is. There were times when I thought Bill-O was purposely doing immoral things to endorse the Republican party. With this video, I now see that it is subconscious for Bill-O. He doesn’t see himself.
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April 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI don’t see how it could have been an act.
Geraldo looked a little scared there for a moment or too.
He likewise is not that good of an actor.
And if you’ve ever seen Geraldo act, you’d know that he can’t.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Geraldo had a fearful look on his face because he knew that he was wrong. One, if you’re an illegal immigrant, you must be deported. Two, if you’re an illegal immigrant that commits a misdemeanor/felony, you should be banned from ever being approved to enter our country. This illegal immigrant constantly broke the law, and the Virginia Beach Mayor and Police Chief decided not to uphold the law. Geraldo needs to cease supporting illegal immigrants. I’m a brown skinned individual, but I do not support crime within the ghettos and hip-hop.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pmThis was an act! !
Comment by Saywho — April 5, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
I don’t think so. If it was then they’ve got a great career waiting for them.
What that looked like to me, was rage. The pure rage of a reich wing coming apart.
Its all starting to fall apart now, and Bill Oreilly is under seige from every corner. It must be getting hard for him to be the laughing stock of the planet, and I think Bill O is cracking up.
I predict he’ll be in the looney bin inside of 24 months.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:30 pmLeave it to Daryll for the retard perspective.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:31 pmDaryll,
April 5th, 2007 at 10:33 pmwas; “I’m a brown skinned individual, but I do not support crime within the ghettos and hip-hop.” supposed to make sense?
I’m sorry mondo—not so much “go geraldo†but that he was bringing up the fact that BO missed the point.
Comment by radzikowski — April 5, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Mr. O’Reilly didn’t miss the point. What he was trying to explain is that an illegal immigrant should be deported if he/she is charged with a misdemeanor/felony. Geraldo constantly supports illegal immigration. Good grief, the illegal immigrant killed a civilian and hasn’t been encarcerated nor has he been deported. How about you stop being so liberal and think outside of the box.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
April 5th, 2007 at 10:34 pmYes I’m assuming however it is a fact that that show is edited BIG TIME! If it went that way they would have cut all that out. Simply some FUD.
WOW! I didn’t think I could ever support Geraldo, but he was right and he stood his ground against the big ignoramus.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:35 pmBill-o was making a specious argument to make his case against illegal immigrants and Geraldo told him as much.
If it had gone a little longer maybe Olielly would have blown a gasket right there on TV. People always argue the loudest when they know they are wrong but can’t admit it.
Geraldo had a fearful look on his face because he knew that he was wrong.
Comment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
I didn’t say one way or the other Daryll. But since you bring it up, I don’t believe in open borders at a time when foriegners are coming here to kill us. I think its stupid.
But whats funny, is watching the two go at it. Oreilly is insane. Clearly insane.
Thanks to him the days of the image of the calm cool conservatives is gone.
That looked like a cross between an old war film of Hitler and the Three Stooges.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pm#44 We should be appreciative of Daryll for coming by and giving the moron prospective. Now we have a well rounded appreciation of the issue.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pmDaryll,
was; “I’m a brown skinned individual, but I do not support crime within the ghettos and hip-hop.†supposed to make sense?
Comment by Rocks911 — April 5, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Let me guess, you want me to categorize myself as a black/african american person?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pmHey retard,
“What he was trying to explain is that an illegal immigrant should be deported if he/she is charged with a misdemeanor/felony.
What would that accomplish, he would be back over the border within the week.
It seems like your beloved Conserv666atives would had solved the imigration issue during the six years that they ran EVERYTHING. As much pissing and moaning as they do you’d figure they would have done something other than give it lip service for lunatics like you while they controlled government, but in the end that’s all the Conserv666atives are good for, giving lip service to supposed problems to placate lunatics like you.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:40 pmAnd yes guys, I know my no open borders position makes me unpopular, but thats how I see it. I don’t think it does Mexico any good to allow unfettered immagration to the US. I think all it does is encourage them to never do anything to improve the quality of life in their own country.
My parents came to this country as immigrants, and they were neither wealthy or connected. They came through Ellis Island like everyone else back then, and did it legal.
I don’t see where there is any argument for letting the Mexicans migrate here without going through the proper channels, like anyone else.
:0
OMG.
I’m agreeing with Oreilly!
GOD HELP MEEEEE!!!!!!!!
April 5th, 2007 at 10:41 pmGeraldo had a fearful look on his face because he knew that he was wrong.
Comment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
I didn’t say one way or the other Daryll. But since you bring it up, I don’t believe in open borders at a time when foriegners are coming here to kill us. I think its stupid.
But whats funny, is watching the two go at it. Oreilly is insane. Clearly insane.
Thanks to him the days of the image of the calm cool conservatives is gone.
That looked like a cross between an old war film of Hitler and the Three Stooges.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Trust me, you’ll gain the same type of anger for illegal aliens. They get away with too many things. Also, they’re trying to force their language on true Americans.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:41 pmAlso Daryll’s point is the most logical. Geraldo is biased since he is Latino. I agree that aliens need to be deported and aliens that enter and drive drunk should be punished more harshly then US citizens that commit the same offence. The act here allows focus to shift from the Mexican border race riot that is coming shortly!
April 5th, 2007 at 10:42 pmDaryll,
No, the sentence doesn’t make sense. You don’t support crime within the hip-hop? In what world does that make sense?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:42 pmGood point #46. A person like this should be deported. Like Bill he missed a point—that of being here and being a good citizen—-even a citizen wannabe. I still think those 2 guys were talking about 2 different things. Sorry, when it comes to drunk drivers I find no excuse.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:43 pm#54 Wow, I had no clue the Spanish language was a threat to the US.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:43 pmYou mean the Indians are going to have to learn Spanish now?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:44 pmDaryll,
“they” are forcing their language on American Indians? Who knew?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:44 pm#54 Wow, I had no clue the Spanish language was a threat to the US.
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Its not. Most Europeans are bi-lingual, yet here in the US we prefer to remain dumb. Teaching our young kids spanish and english would make them smarter and would open the world of Latin to them, which is a great gift to give any child.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:47 pmAnd yes guys, I know my no open borders position makes me unpopular, but thats how I see it. I don’t think it does Mexico any good to allow unfettered immagration to the US. I think all it does is encourage them to never do anything to improve the quality of life in their own country.
My parents came to this country as immigrants, and they were neither wealthy or connected. They came through Ellis Island like everyone else back then, and did it legal.
I don’t see where there is any argument for letting the Mexicans migrate here without going through the proper channels, like anyone else.
:0
OMG.
I’m agreeing with Oreilly!
GOD HELP MEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
That’s the big issue. They don’t utilize the proper channels to receive temporary access into our country. Most have a 3rd grade education and they know that their visa application would be denied because they lack job skills. If they would put the bottle down and apply themselves, maybe Mexico wouldn’t be such a bad place.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:48 pmI think what we need is a “generous” immigration policy with Mexico, but there must be a policy. Opening our borders is insane.
If our real fear is Al Quaida getting the right people in to do something, then permitting open borders with Mexico, or Canada for that matter, is just asking to get hit.
Al Quaida would not have to sneak into the US. They’d just have to sneak into Mexico.
And how hard can that be?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:49 pmDaryll.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking we’re on the same page.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmDaryll,
No, the sentence doesn’t make sense. You don’t support crime within the hip-hop? In what world does that make sense?
Comment by Rocks911 — April 5, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Crime within the the ghetto nor hip-hop. I’ll continue to pray for you.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmWhere’s Newt Gingrich when you need an expert on Latino issues?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:50 pmDaryll,
April 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pmIf you were a true “American” you would be speaking Lakota or one of the other of MANY Native American languages.
Daryll, you moron. Most people who have EVER emigrated to the US have a steep learning curve. Your great-grandparents as well. That is what that huddled masses thingy is all about. Jack ass.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pmDaryll,
You are one bigoted piece of shit, unworthy of my ire. Piss off.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pm#63 I think you are pretty much on the same page as most liberals and thinking human beings. Open borders…not so much. Regulated immigration…yep.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:52 pmLet me guess, you want me to categorize myself as a black/african american person?
Comment by Daryll
Identify yourself as such, it makes no difference. Your sentence still makes no sense.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:54 pmpriceless…
April 5th, 2007 at 10:54 pm#54 – Immigration laws were built to discriminate the Irish… the Italians… the Chinese… the Africans… the Mexicans… the only incumbent that didn’t try to oppress the immigrant in this big happy f*cking melting pot was the Indian, and it’s only because one look at the white people who landed told them that wihtout serious assistance they weren’t even going to survive their first winter.
America has ALWAYS treated immigrants in a barbaric fashion, and the immigrants have ALWAYS shown themselves to be invaluable beyond expectation, and have made the greatest improvements in our country, in spite of their treatment.
It is the height of irony that someone named O’REILLY has no appreciation for the history of American immigration.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI think this argument really demonstrates the racial aspects of the immigration debate. Two conservatives that normally agree on everything, but of different ethnicities suddenly go at each other. O’Reilly is looking at this from the prospective of the brown people being evil. Rivera is one of those brown people and is starting to get the idea that his buddy is a racist.
Or, in other words, Rivera may be a pathetic-me too-opportunist, but he’s also from la raza. He sure as hell isn’t going to let O’Reilly get away with this crap.
O’Reilly is, as expected, a racist.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:55 pmTrust me, you’ll gain the same type of anger for illegal aliens. They get away with too many things. Also, they’re trying to force their language on true Americans.
Comment by Daryll
I know of several illegal Canadians around here. Damn those illegal Canadians trying to push Canadaese on us. What are they saying anyway!?
April 5th, 2007 at 10:55 pmIf they would put the bottle down and apply themselves, maybe Mexico wouldn’t be such a bad place.
Comment by Daryll
Holy shit, you didn’t just say that. Daryll you are a racist — the worst sort of racist.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pm#54 Wow, I had no clue the Spanish language was a threat to the US.
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Its not. Most Europeans are bi-lingual, yet here in the US we prefer to remain dumb. Teaching our young kids spanish and english would make them smarter and would open the world of Latin to them, which is a great gift to give any child.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
There’s nothing wrong with educating yourself about other foreign languages. But I do have a problem with learning a language so I can conversate with you in our country. This is America. They must learn to speak our standard language (English). I haven’t seen asians, arabs or europeans trying to impose their language upon us. Why must it be those from Central and South America. Also, they are not Latinos!!!!!!
April 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pmComment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
April 5th, 2007 at 10:58 pmActual boarder security would change quite a lot. Hard drugs would be harder to get. Boarder town violence would go down. Aliens would not get abused by those that would violate the law and hire them.
Instead we are going to have a 10 lane highway up the center of the country! How many ways and times can I say we have GIANT PROBLEMS? Then these to appear to have a tiff and we stress about that rather than the big picture!
In a recent screed, Jerry Rivers said we should allow Mexicans to resettle their former territory, simply because the Southwest is their former territory. I’d say he’s a crazy reconquista, but he’s not even a Chicano. He’s just nuts.
April 5th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThe government is never going to shut America’s borders. One of my good friends owns her own business and she told me that she hires a lot of illegals (not because they are illegals, because they do the best work) And no, the average pay is 35k a year. Not really all that cheap.
Here is the kicker. She pays taxes on all of them. She doesn’t pay them under the table even though it would be a lot easier. Has the gov’t come after them as a business? NO. have they come after any employees and deported them? NO. NOTHING. They send her a letter every year for each employee saying they have no record of this person, but they don’t gove the money back. Where do you think it goes? She calls it the “ghost” account. lol
April 5th, 2007 at 11:01 pmI’m a brown skinned individual, but I do not support crime within the ghettos and hip-hop.
Comment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
What are you trying to say here? Most brown-skinned individuals support crime and you’re one that doesn’t? You’re a racist.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:01 pmAlso, they are not Latinos!!!!!!
Comment by Daryll
Why don’t we let them decide for themselves “what” they are?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:01 pm#77 Boo-hoo Daryll. I love how you pigs on the right always have to be the victim. You guys are scared of EVERYTHING. Cowards.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:02 pmOreilly’s not that good of an actor
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
You’re not kidding, if that’s an act, O’Reilly’s Robert DeNiro. That can’t be good for his arteries, teehee.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:03 pm#80 35k a year? Sorry, but that is just a crock if you are trying to say that is the average illegal immigrant’s wage.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmBut I do have a problem with learning a language so I can conversate with you in our country.
This is America.
They must learn to speak our standard language (English).
Comment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
Why?
It apparently hasn’t stopped you from “conversating”.
:|
April 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmHoly crap, did you see the way Bill’s eyes popped when Geraldo yelled “It’s a sin?” Yow.
If the Democrats in Congress stood up like that, there’d be 400 of ‘em.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmGeraldo, though he is a FOX(tm) creep, DID THE RIGHT THING AND CALLED O’LIE-lly OUT AND READ HIM THE RIOT ACT—NO AMOUNT OF BULLYING BLUSTER OR PUSHING HIS COWARDLY WEIGHT AROUND AFFECTED THE MACHO Geraldo, WHO MATCHED THE SNEAKING DEMAGOGIC JINGOIST O’LIElly POINT FOR POINT AND STOOD HIS GROUND AGAINST THE SCREAMING GIRLY-MAN “CULTURE WARRIOR”–I WISH I WERE THERE—IF I WERE Geraldo, I WOULD HAVE LEANED OVER AND PUNCHED O’LIE-lly’s DISTORTED COWARDLY BULLYING FACE IN AND BROKEN HIS SPINE WITH ME TOD SLAUGHTER MOVE AS STEPHEN HAWKE!!!!! I WOULD LOVE TO “COME TO GRIPS” WITH O’LIE-lly AND SNAP HIS OBNOXIOUS SPINE LIKE A ROTTEN TWIG!!!!!
April 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmAny way this is why we have debates but the debate of this thread is about the Tiff on FOX. My bet is that it was staged or it would have been edited out!
April 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmBest. O’Reilly. Clip. EVER.
And I didn’t even have to watch it live to give him more ratings. :)
April 5th, 2007 at 11:06 pmIf they would put the bottle down and apply themselves, maybe Mexico wouldn’t be such a bad place.
Comment by Daryll
Holy shit, you didn’t just say that. Daryll you are a racist — the worst sort of racist.
Comment by Zooey — April 5, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
I’m not a bigot nor am I a racist. I’m just giving you the facts. They have a brain and mouth. They can protest about their (Mexico) education system. Instead of resolving issues within their own country, they believe the only resolution is to illegally migrate into our territory. Anway, I have to go, my wife is calling me. Everyone have a blessed night. If I were you, I would give my life to Christ.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:08 pm#89 No way it was staged. Bill was pissed. And if you were Fox would you edit something that explosive out?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmComment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
The illegal immigrant is still here because he works cheap for some rich guy. Bush is all for illegal immigrants. Just go down to the border. Are you that stupid.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pm#91 Pig, saying that Mexicans don’t “apply” themselves is not only racist, it is wrong. Most Mexicans around here have sh!t jobs and work their a$$es of doing them.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmYes I’m assuming however it is a fact that that show is edited BIG TIME! If it went that way they would have cut all that out. Simply some FUD.
Comment by Saywho — April 5, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
But talent doesn’t edit the show, producers do. And Fox would sell out O’Reilly, and they should, in a heartbeat. It’s all dog eat dog in showbiz and O’Reilly turned out to be the bitch.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmAlso, Geraldo isn’t even hispanic. He’s Jewish and was born here. Too funny.
#91 – Daryll
Just becuse you say you’re not a bigot, doesn’t make it so. You are a bigot and a racist. Do you even know any Mexicans?
Run along to Mommy, Daryll.
I have already dedicated my life to Beelzebub, and I’m off to have my monthly abortion.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:12 pmI’m not a bigot nor am I a racist. I’m just giving you the facts.
Comment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Really?
Then what racist son of a bitch said this?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
April 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pmThe Factor is BOs show and it was not edited since it was acting like WWF wrestling!
#86 – Well, it DOES effect me.
I live in the city, and you don’t know how many store owners I try to be a customer for, but they never understand what I’m saying, or they don’t know what I’m saying.
It only wastes an average of 2 – 3 minutes of my day (sometimes, it takes 2 minutes just to say two separate statements, or requests) however when you add up all those times… yeah, a lot of time has been wasted.
One time at a rest stop on the highway, it took me 10 minutes to have the cashier understand that what I had on the side was a pickle. She had to call the other cashier over, and then the boss. It was a nightmare. At LEAST learn the English words of the food you’re selling!
The worst is if I’m ordering take-out via the phone. The phone makes their accent for me, and my English for them, much harder to understand.
And that DOES make me worry about if they drive. Can they read road signs? Maybe they memorize the shape and colors, but I have no way of knowing.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:14 pmI would give my life to Christ.
Comment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
So who’s stopping you?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:14 pmComment by shane — April 5, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
April 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pmHe is of South American decent man. His religion is a different subject.
This was by far the funniest thing I have ever seen on TP
April 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pm“But I do have a problem with learning a language so I can conversate with you in our country.”
Conversate???
You could have shortened your sentence thus:
“I do have a problem with learning a language”
April 5th, 2007 at 11:16 pmBOR won this. He is right.Illegal mexicans are killing and raping everyday.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:16 pm#98 Honestly, if I were the producer I would run with it.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmI’m not a bigot nor am I a racist. I’m just giving you the facts. and that after the comment about all Mexicans being drunks? You bigoted piece of shit – “give my life to Christ?” You are a disgusting hypocrite – your Jesus Christ knew a lot about people like you:
Luke 18:
April 5th, 2007 at 11:19 pmTwo men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
I would give my life to Christ.
Please do so, and hand it to him in person.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:19 pmHe is of South American decent man. His religion is a different subject.
Comment by Saywho
Actually, he’s Puerto Rican.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:19 pm#99 Who cares? Don’t live in a city, then. Whiner.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:20 pmCan we have a reasoned immigration policy in which we deport both Geraldo and O’Reilly?
O’Reilly, as everyone knows is off the reservation hopeless. Geraldo isn’t much better and may even be worse to the extent he tries to semble reasonableness. I saw the movie US v. Lennon, which was excellent, except that Geraldo had more than a minor role. It was depressing seeing him speak of Lennon. Geraldo, a total sell out and Lennon, who was remarkable for many reasons, chief among them, his integrity.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:20 pmWasn’t Christ one of those nasty middle easterners?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:20 pm#91 – What happened to love thy neighbor? Is your wife an ugly white-trash fatty? I can say those things because I never believed in Jesus.
And if it turns out there is a hell, I’m Jewish. And Jews don’t believe in hell, so I’m safe. And I don’t even have to be a practicing Jew! I don’t believe a single thing in the Old Testament, but Jews say I’ll always be Jewish. So I’m safe. Phew!
But I do agree that their country makes it MUCH harder to succeed, so they come over here. I don’t know why they want to cut in front of the line, and get in here illegally. Maybe they are just too hungry, and poor to wait any longer. But it makes sense as to why they want to come here.
Hey, a lot of things are wrong in this world, and with so many people trying to deal with all kinds of issues, we’re gonna run into these issues.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmOne time at a rest stop on the highway, it took me 10 minutes to have the cashier understand that what I had on the side was a pickle. .
Comment by Anonymous By Choice — April 5, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Sounds like you were in a real pickle…
April 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pm[...] Hat-tip Think Progress. [...]
April 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmIllegal mexicans are killing and raping everyday.
Comment by phil
Ain’t that the truth? I get raped and killed by Mexicans everyday.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pm/sick sarcasm
“I have already dedicated my life to Beelzebub, and I’m off to have my monthly abortion.”
Too funny, Z!
April 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThe worst is if I’m ordering take-out via the phone.
The phone makes their accent for me, and my English for them, much harder to understand
Comment by Aracist By Choice — April 5, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Yea.
Ordering take out.
:|
That sounds rough.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:22 pmComment by Daryll — April 5, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
Trust me, you’ll gain the same type of anger for the administration. They get away with too many things. Also, they’re trying to force their lies on true Americans.
And are you going to feel cheated when you finally figure it out.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:23 pmBOR won this. He is right.
Illegal mexicans are killing and raping everyday.
Comment by dr phil — April 5, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
And they call us moonbats.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:24 pm#112 But I do agree that their country makes it MUCH harder to succeed, so they come over here. I don’t know why they want to cut in front of the line, and get in here illegally.
Well, jeez, if I lived in a country with an oppressive gov’t and no opportunities I would certainly be nice and polite and wait in some line to better my life. I really think all Americans should live in a sh!thole 3rd world country for 1 year just to realize what jags they are.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:25 pmGeraldo is biased since he is Latino
Comment by Saywho — April 5, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Geraldo is a stage name. He’s Jerry Rivers and Jewish.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:26 pmToo funny, Z!
Comment by gorn by any other name
Daryll’s hypocrisy and insanity drive me to distraction.
He called me a blasphemer once, and I’m trying to get him to do it again. :D
April 5th, 2007 at 11:26 pmIllegal mexicans are killing and raping everyday.
So are legal lilly-white Americans. Is the problem with the border of the country or the border of humanity? I think the latter.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:26 pmWasn’t Christ one of those nasty middle easterners?
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
Wonder if he’d be able to get a visa under present immigration restrictions. Who knows, Bush/Cheney may have him locked up in Gitmo. Let’s see, he was due back here in the millenium, Bush was elected right around that time, then 9/11, then our war on terror . . . Yep, he’s in Gitmo.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:26 pm#114 I am still waiting for some pretty latina to go ahead and rape me.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pmAnonymous by Choice,
Sure, that’s annoying, but it’s always been that way in this country. When the American Revolution happened, most of Pennsylvania was German-speaking territory. A lot of communities in the southwest have always been majority Spanish-speaking. And non-English-speaking immigrant communities have existed in our large cities since the mid-1800s, if not before.
You say they should learn English – they are learning English. Immigrants today learn English faster and better than ever before – 98% of the children of immigrants grow up speaking perfect English. That certainly wasn’t the case 80 or 100 years ago. Back then, they used to mostly live in segregated, insular neighborhoods. They’d use their native language at work, at home, out in public, and when they went shopping. Today, that doesn’t exist any more, and they’re out there trying to get by with limited English in mainstream American society.
That’s the way it is in the country.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pm#123 Wouldn’t that be ironic, to be sold to the US by Afghani bounty hunters and tortured by the most Christian nation on Earth?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pmWOW never mind the FOX clip… We can have our own boarder war here. Aliens can be legal or under the wire! The better choice for all of us is above board! The law is the law by the way and deportation is necessary since the Lady Liberty is running out of space in her arms. Bush wants them here by the way! I’m in NJ and I know only aliens that do construction in my area. I worked for a contractor that screwed them (aliens) every way he could. He deducted workmen’s compensation from their pay. None around here have insurance so wind up as charity care at clinics and hospitals.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:29 pmRound them up and send them home. If they commit felonies they need the harshest penalties and deportation. As it stands they know the worst thing is that they will get deported. The rest of us must obey the law like it or not!
#121 I want him to call me a heritic and Sodomite. Maybe the anti-christ. That would be a thrill.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmyeah its all funnie until someone you know gets killed by a illegal mexican
April 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmIf Dild O’Reilly keeps trying to screw over Rosie O’Donnel, I hope she would go to SmokingGun.com and read pages 15, 16, and 17 of “Mackris Vs. O’Really” on “The View”.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmShe should give it a very slow bleed, promising to read one sentance before each commercial break for the entire week.
Rosie does this and you can say “Good-bye O’Reilly”.
The water cooler talk would be nothing except what a total stalking sexual perv O’Reilly is.
Damn those illegal Canadians trying to push Canadaese on us. What are they saying anyway!?
Comment by Zooey — April 5, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
Lots of illegal Irish and Polish in Chicago. Lots of IRA terrorist types but they’re lilly white so nobody cares.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:31 pm#127 The law is the law by the way and deportation is necessary since the Lady Liberty is running out of space in her arms.
Well, as for space, I would like you to site that. Would you like a tax hike to deport 12 million aliens?
Round them up and send them home. If they commit felonies they need the harshest penalties and deportation. As it stands they know the worst thing is that they will get deported. The rest of us must obey the law like it or not!
BS, illegals that commit crime spend time in US prisons. The rest of us obey the law? What? Are you stoned?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmIf they commit felonies they need the harshest penalties and deportation.
Comment by Saywho — April 5, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Why the “harshest penalties”?
Why not the same penalties anyone else would get?
QUESTION.
When did “cruelty“, become a policy?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pm#129 It is all fun and games (that would be the correct phrase, Quayle) until someone is killed by a card carrying KKK member.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:34 pmYes, JPark at 126, being tortured by those who claim to be the most christian of christians. By Bush, who when asked by Woodward if he talked to his dad before invading Iraq, said, “No, I talked to a higher father.” Whoa, this is just too bizzare!
April 5th, 2007 at 11:34 pm#76, muchas gracias!!!
April 5th, 2007 at 11:34 pmAnd just out of curiosity, how many of us on this blog either are Hispanic, or have one in their immediate family by marriage?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:36 pmStatistically it should be 1 in 6 in the USA. But I have a feeling we will come in higher. I’ll bet Daryll can’t speak Spanish…
Y usted?
134 #where did u get your kkk card from??
April 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmyeah its all funnie until someone you know gets killed by a illegal mexican
I nominate phil and darryl.
Hey phil, I feel pretty sure we’re all equally against rape, murder, and drunk driving, regardless of immigration status. You do get that, right?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmOh, fer Chrissakes, Bill, do I need to draw you a picture?
*blink blink*
What?
– Geraldo Rivera
April 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmtomorrow night billy and geraldo are going to wrestle each other nude. i’m watching!
April 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmyeah its all funnie until someone you know gets killed by a illegal mexican
Comment by phil — April 5, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
I wonder what they say in Iraq when a soldier “accidentally” kills an Iraqi civilian?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pm#135 That was a bizarre statement. Way to honor thy father, Bushboy.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:39 pm#138 That was really stupid, phil.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pmyeah its all funnie until someone you know gets killed by a illegal mexican
Comment by phil — April 5, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
Or puts out an eye.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pmsame thing this war is illegal.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pmHe is of South American decent man. His religion is a different subject.
Comment by Saywho — April 5, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
His father was Puerto Rican, a US citizen then, and his mother was jewish, non-hipanic, Lilly Friedman. So immigration wasn’t really an issue for him. Google Jerry Rivers for info.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:41 pm139# if that illegal mexican wasn’t here or was deported like he should have been than this person whould be alive.right? thought so
April 5th, 2007 at 11:43 pmHey Daryll and your other brother Daryll (I mean Phil), wasn’t the southwest (Texas, Arizona, California, etc.) part of Mexico not too long ago?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:45 pmif illegal mexicans were deported or thrown in jail than the people who are raped and murdered by them would still be unharmed.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pm#148 Pay for it, phil.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWell, jeez, if I lived in a country with an oppressive gov’t and no opportunities
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Ahem, I believe you do.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:47 pmThe UN said the Iraq invasion was illegal – guess all those GIs are illegal…. guess all those 100s of thousands of Iraqis would still be alive if Iraq enforced their immigration laws… you are on to something, phil…
April 5th, 2007 at 11:48 pmLots of illegal Irish and Polish in Chicago. Lots of IRA terrorist types but they’re lilly white so nobody cares.
Comment by shane — April 5, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Zooey -my point was to be that O’Reilly probably comes from illegals – hence the defensive nature of his arguments.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:49 pm#152 Touche, shane! If I didn’t think we would get back to actual American values western Europe would be very inviting.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:50 pmWasn’t Christ one of those nasty middle easterners?
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
Definitely a brown person. Don’t tell the bible thumpers, they’ll go all O’Reilly on us.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:51 pmi just found this thread… i know i won’t get this far reading the comments… but this, i thought, was so funny… a good repeat:
I haven’t seen that kind of beyond control screaming since my kids were in diapers.
Of course, if your diaper is filled with the O’Rielly factor, you have a good reason to scream.
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 5, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
heh… been there…
g’nite all…
April 5th, 2007 at 11:51 pmOf all the people to put Orally in his place, it had to be another wingnut, Geraldo Rivera. I never thought I would see the day.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pmComment by I WORFEUS — April 5, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Sorry that you support the elimination of the north and south boarders. Regarding punishment, “You killed someone now go home” is not punishment at all. So if they survive the lethal injection (murder and rape and armed robbery and smuggling and etc are felonies) then the deportation should come next. Someone here brought up religion based on a forgiving God. I don’t have to worry about punishing sins. God will sort out the bodies based on sin here on Earth we have to worry about punishing criminals.
How many Dems here want to see Bush & Cheney tried for war crimes? How many want to see them impeached? How many here want to have health insurance that are citizens?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pmyeah its all funnie until someone you know gets killed by a illegal mexican
Comment by phil — April 5, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
Is it all fun and games when someone you know gets killed by a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant American? Say some Kennebunkport Episcopalian?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pm#159 You are good at the whole strawman thing, aren’t you?
April 5th, 2007 at 11:56 pm#156 But…but…all the pictures in church…he is white!!!! :)
April 5th, 2007 at 11:56 pmif that illegal mexican wasn’t here or was deported like he should have been than this person whould be alive.right?
And maybe instead she would have been killed by a drunk frat boy. Or a businessman on his way home from the bar. Or hell, maybe death rays from Mars would have disintegrated her next week.
See, I can play this game too…
April 5th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#159 If you don’t understand what a strawman is, let me tell you. You took WORF’s post, twisted what he said so it would mesh with what you BELIEVE he said (as messed up as it is) and you attacked the words you put in his mouth. Now, as a novice here, we will forgive you this once. If you continue to do it you are fair game.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:59 pmif the mexican would have be deported or put in jail this person would be alive.This is what Democrats want.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:59 pmPhil – afraid of a bit of Mexican ‘manifest destiny’ are you?
That’s what you Americans called the invasion of Mexico by US settlers in the 1820s and 30s, bringing slavery with them where Mexico had outlawed it (40 years before your sad republic did and 140 years before full civil rights) refusing to convert to catholicism, refusing to learn Spanish and obey the laws of the 1824 republic of Mexico.
April 5th, 2007 at 11:59 pm163# you think its a game when illegals from mexico rape and murder??
April 6th, 2007 at 12:00 amif illegal mexicans were deported or thrown in jail than the people who are raped and murdered by them would still be unharmed.
Comment by phil — April 5, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
And if mass murderers in this country were hispanic we could ship them home but since they’re 99.9% white males that wouldn’t do us much good would it? So if we killed off all white males we would have very few mass murders. You wanna go first?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:03 amif that illegal mexican wasn’t here or was deported like he should have been than this person whould be alive.right? thought so
Comment by phil
Yeah, because only illegal Mexicans kill people in this country.
One of my fellow University students was murdered over the weekend — two bullets in the head. Guess what? It was a white guy he went to high school with. Go figure….
April 6th, 2007 at 12:04 am166# lets treat our illegals like the great country of mexico does.
lets also have 12 year old hookers walking the streets like mexico does.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:04 am#165 phil, how are you going to pay for it??? Inconvenient little hitch in your plan.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:05 amSorry that you support the elimination of the north and south boarders.
Comment by Sayboo — April 5, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
So you’re trying to tell me you’re a compelte moron?
And not because you spell borders, “boarders”.
But becasuse you somehow extrapolate that because I don’t believe in extra-special harsh punishments that that constitutes my supporting the elimination of the borders.
:|
Particularly since if you scroll up and READ, you’ll see where I said I do not support open borders during this time of terrorism. I said open borders were “asking to get hit”.
But you only see what you want to see. Like most republicans.
But your construing my condemnation of extra harsh punishments for illegal aliens as a support for open borders, is a desperate strech , even for a repubican.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:05 amComment by shane — April 5, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
April 6th, 2007 at 12:05 amAgain he is biased and that is what I pointed out man. Don’t read into it. I don’t question his legality but he stands for “Latinos” and that is a statement he has made public many times. So if it is correct to deport an alien he may argue that drunk driving is the only offence. If the driver is an Alien then what are his driving credentials? Does he have points? Does he have a record? Is he aware of driving laws? Does he know that ignorance of the law is no excuse? What about a victim of this alien. How can restitution ever be made?
Citizens w/ no license that commit a felony while driving face mandatory jail time since. They will need a lawyer and will need plenty of money. Here you can fill in the rest but remember your opinion is not mine but like you I want to see Bush GO!
Jpark – hush – ixnay on the brown Jesus thing. Fundamentalist can’t deal with the truth.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:06 am#170 Ok, you just gave a great reason Mexicans would want to emigrate but you hate them for wanting to give their 12 year old a better life than being a used up whore by 16. You are consistent, if nothing else. Consistently an a$$hole.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:06 amZooey -my point was to be that O’Reilly probably comes from illegals – hence the defensive nature of his arguments.
Comment by shane
I thought he just hated to be contradicted, and then lose an argument — on his own show. :D
April 6th, 2007 at 12:07 amYou take all the money that is needed to support illegal mexicans and send them back .
April 6th, 2007 at 12:08 am163# you think its a game when illegals from mexico rape and murder??
Comment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Actually it is.
Its called GrandTheft Auto III, available for US children or illegal immigrant children at Walmarts and Best Buys across the USA.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:08 am“if illegal mexicans were deported or thrown in jail than the people who are raped and murdered by them would still be unharmed.
Comment by phil — April 5, 2007 @ 11:46 pm”
you mean Abeer Qasim Hamza would still be unharmed?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:08 amI thought he just hated to be contradicted, and then lose an argument — on his own show. :D
Comment by Zooey — April 6, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Thats exactly what it was Zooey.
Thats exactly what that was.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:09 amlets also have 12 year old hookers walking the streets like mexico does.
Comment by phil
Do you actually believe 12 year olds are not victimized everyday in this country? BTW, most 12 year olds being victimized are being victimized by someone they know — daddy, uncle, family friend, cousin, etc.
Oh god! Look over there! An illegal Mexican! Runaway, phil!
April 6th, 2007 at 12:10 am#177 You weren’t very good in math, were you?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:11 amJpark – hush – ixnay on the brown Jesus thing. Fundamentalist can’t deal with the truth.
Comment by shane — April 6, 2007 @ 12:06 am
Yes, but he also had those beautiful blue eyes. And what about that halo?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:12 amyeah its so funny . but what the hell can’t do anything about it so lets let all the illegal mexicans rape ,and murder ,smuggle drugs and break the law.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:13 amTheir just trying to have a better life.
tomorrow night billy and geraldo are going to wrestle each other nude. i’m watching!
Comment by joe cantwell
April 6th, 2007 at 12:15 amDamn, makes me think of Borat…eewwwwww
Comment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 12:11 am
next year in school when he learns algebra he’ll understand.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:15 amComment by Zooey — April 6, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Usually their victimized by somebody like …
April 6th, 2007 at 12:16 amphil.
#186 I am pretty sure they don’t learn algebra in remedial 2nd grade math. They are too busy counting to 10.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amOk, I’m going to poke my neck out here (TerrytheTurtle pokes his head out).
The relationship between the Bush and Clinton (and Gore – yes he backed it too) NAFTA bill, driven into Mexican law to the direct benefit of the corporate communities on both sides of the border, has not been explored anywhere on this blog.
NAFTA destroyed the Mexican corn farming industry, driving a lot of family farmers out of business as the big US firms dumped corn in Mexico. What did these farmers do? They returned the favor and came north, the change in demographics of farm workers post NAFTA is staggering – now over 80% of all US farm workers are from south of the border and over half of them are undocumented – who is exploiting who? The story of illegal immigration in the US is complex and basically everyone has been benefitting – the Mexican companies, the US agribusiness companies and the immigrants have done what they were basically forced to do…
April 6th, 2007 at 12:18 am#189 NAFTA is good for one type of person. The rich American corporatist. Clinton can burn for that.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:20 amAnd by singling out the immigrants and leaving the corporations who have exploited them at the expense of ordinary US farmers makes for more disgusting corporate hypocrisy..
April 6th, 2007 at 12:21 am“yeah its so funny . but what the hell can’t do anything about it so lets let all the illegal mexicans rape ,and murder ,smuggle drugs and break the law.”
if you’re going to be racist, you might want to brush up on the english language
April 6th, 2007 at 12:23 amYes, but he also had those beautiful blue eyes. And what about that halo?
Comment by legaleze — April 6, 2007 @ 12:12 am
You people are going to bring down the wrath of the bible thumpers and they’re going to be babbling about Christ like they’re best friends and we insulted him. And Jesus is walking around asking himself where it all went wrong. “What part of peace don’t these dumb ass followers of mine understand? What happened to all the judge not, casting the first stone stuff I told them about, how about that money changer stuff? Wait til I have a chance to give them a piece of my mind!”
April 6th, 2007 at 12:23 am“Their just trying to have a better life.”
should be “They’re just trying to have a better life.”
April 6th, 2007 at 12:24 amlets also have 12 year old hookers walking the streets like mexico does.
Hoping for your very first date?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:25 amshane at 193; isn’t that the truth. With the wing nuts it’s a “personal relationship” with the lord that’s important. In other words it’s more about the believer than it is about the faith. It’s an ego thing.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:26 amOne more innocent person killed by a illegal mexican.Who’s next to be murdered??
April 6th, 2007 at 12:27 am195 No but your thinking about it so go for it.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:28 amWhy do liberals always bring up sex with children??
April 6th, 2007 at 12:29 ambut what the hell can’t do anything about it so lets let all the illegal mexicans rape ,and murder ,smuggle drugs and break the law.
Comment by pawxatauny phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Gee, you really think we should?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:30 amOne more innocent person killed by a illegal mexican.Who’s next to be murdered??
Comment by phil
What if it’s a 12 year old hooker that gets killed? Is she innocent after you’re done with her? How does that work?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:30 amyeah its so funny .
Comment by philo — April 6, 2007 @ 12:13 am
You’re so funny.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:31 am“Who’s next to be murdered??
Comment by phil”
if you’re going to keep posting, my guess is grammar, spelling, or usage
April 6th, 2007 at 12:31 amOh can it Phil, that’s not an illegal alien under your bed, it’s a dust bunny, go back to sleep.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:31 amHey Phil, maybe we should add Mexico to the axis of evil? If we did, how many countries would then be in the axis?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:32 am“No but your thinking about it so go for it.”
should be “No, but you’re thinking about it, so go for it.”
April 6th, 2007 at 12:32 amWhy do liberals always bring up sex with children??
Comment by chester the molester — April 6, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Tell you what.
We’ll stop when conservatives stop having sex with children.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:32 amListen JPark & I WORFEUS,
I have an opinion just like you. I disagree and you determine the level of involvement you see fit. I do not have to consider your positions at this point since I have read many of your posts. You are two of the posters that believe that once Bush is gone morality that you approve of will settle over us.
I wish it was true or even possible. I’m sure you have read my posts and know that I see the whole thing as population overshoot. My thoughts are excluded but the words remain. We are out of energy, over populated, sick, tired, depressed, disturbed and lost. Go to the food store (I just got back from Shop-Rite), one pack of generic chicken breasts was $11.00……..
Here I stated that LEGAL IMMIGRATION was the only method we should approve of. If illegal immigration is accepted then what Bill O said about anarchy is what we have. Anarchy is lawlessness in mass scale. By skipping the legal process we do more damage than just creating double standards.
Ellis Island was important and so is LEGAL immigration. So then someone labels me as a Repub or calls me names LOL.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:32 amRegardless take your shots but that seems to be how TP is regarding opinions and insult slinging. ILLEGAL ALIENS need to be DEPORTED!
Why do liberals want to have sex with children??
April 6th, 2007 at 12:32 ambut what the hell can’t do anything about it so lets let all the illegal mexicans rape ,and murder ,smuggle drugs and break the law.
Comment by pawxatauny phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Gee, you really think we should?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 6, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Well, just the drugs. Or just the good weed and a little coke. No hard stuff though.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:33 am“You people are going to bring down the wrath of the bible thumpers and they’re going to be babbling about Christ like they’re best friends and we insulted him.”
I tried inviting Jesus into my heart, but when Phil and Darryl found out he was an illegal alien from the Middle east, they took him out back and beat him. When He said He believed in peace, they called Him a “damned lib” and shot him. When He said He felt only love for them, they called Him a queer, buggered Him as punishment, and kicked Him out of the country.
It’s not easy being a deity in the You Ess of Ay.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:33 am#200 Are you drunk? You brought it up.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:33 amnope can’t deport , cost to much money. let them rape and murder.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:34 am“Who’s next to be murdered??
Comment by philâ€
if you’re going to keep posting, my guess is grammar, spelling, or usage
Comment by cha cha cha — April 6, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Phil, face the snark! They are saying you can’t add or write. Are you going to take that?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:35 am#209 Saywho, now try defending your WORFEUS strawman. Don’t try to act all rational when you use disgusting tactics to smear a poster.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:36 am#213 Then how about a tax hike, Fullofit?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:36 am“Why do liberals want to have sex with children??”
Why do you want to keep beating your wife?
By the way, in this instance, the word “wife” is a euphemism for “pecker”.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:36 am“ILLEGAL ALIENS need to be DEPORTED”
please let wal-mart know
April 6th, 2007 at 12:37 amWhy do liberals want to have sex with children??
Comment by phil
Dude, you’re the one who knows all about the 12 year old hookers in Mexico.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:39 amphil, phil, phil. if they have a test on the english language, you’ll be the first deported. “cost to much money”? try “cost too much money.” very sad.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:39 amI ‘m a illegal mexican . I can’t write no a englla or add no no cee cee I’m a dumb mexican.But cee cee i can rape and murder ,sell cocaine.cee
April 6th, 2007 at 12:42 amGo Geraldo Go…..how can you work for these jerks…..you are really a sellout….but I’ve always known that…… get out of there…….
before your soul rots….
Lenny Laks
April 6th, 2007 at 12:43 amMendocino , CA
219 your the one thinking about it.If not,why did you post ?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:43 am#220 Excellent!! We should send all of our half-retarded trolls to…I don’t know, Texas. There is already a considerable population of idiots there. We here in Wisconsin are ok creating a new city called Madisaustin by transplanting the thinking humans up here.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:45 amThis was GREAT, only a clown would say their both from the same cloth, Geraldo’s latin blood rose to the surface, to defend his people, because he KNOWS O’reilly is just using the issue to placate & pander to his dwindling audience.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:45 amIllegals amount to a small percentage of drunk drivers that kill, that’s a FACT and Geraldo may have seemed to cross the line, going to Fox, but UNLIKE Alan Colmes, won’t turn his back on his people. I’m no big fan of Geraldo, however don’t let him working at fox obscure the truth he was telling, and I WILL give him props for AT LEAST going toe to toe with the bully.
O’reilly showed how really SICK & psychotic he really is, for not taking a stand on legitimate ethical issues , but for the purpose of pandering to the right, for ratings and out of desperation.
Whoah long list I pasted…. sorry. Identify with anyone phil baby?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:45 am#222 Honestly, phil, I didn’t notice a difference.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:46 amyour the one thinking about it.If not,why did you post ?
Comment by phil
God, you’re stupid…..can you even track your own thoughts?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:46 am#224 You really are stupid. You brought up the 12 year old hookers. My god, you are clueless.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:47 amComment by legaleze — April 6, 2007 @ 12:26 am
They only pull out the parts of the bible that meet their needs. Its easier for them that way.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:49 am221# you really know your sex offenders.I hope you study them so you won’t get caught.Where any your friends??
April 6th, 2007 at 12:49 amLets don’t forget democrats are for lighter sentences for your friends .Lets dont forget the democrat party is th part of man boy love and sex with horses.
So then someone labels me as a Repub or calls me names LOL.
Regardless take your shots but that seems to be how TP is regarding opinions and insult slinging.
Comment by Saywho — April 6, 2007 @ 12:32 am
I don’t recall doing any of those things to you.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:51 amWhy do liberals always bring up sex with children??
Comment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Why do Republicans always write books about sex with children?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:52 am228 dumb ass i just brought up what goes on there.I didn’t know every liberal posting was gonna have orgasms and leave for mexico.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:52 amI live in an area (San Diego county) that’s smothered with illegal aliens, but I’ve not noticed any 12 year old hookers.
I suggest that either this group doesn’t exist in large numbers, or Phil is actively searching them out for some reason.
Any guesses?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:53 am#80 35k a year? Sorry, but that is just a crock if you are trying to say that is the average illegal immigrant’s wage.
Comment by JPark — April 5, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
No, that is not what I was trying to say AT ALL.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:53 amHey Phil, maybe we should add Mexico to the axis of evil? If we did, how many countries would then be in the axis?
Comment by legaleze — April 6, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Better do that because they speak Spanish and you know what Newt says …
April 6th, 2007 at 12:54 am221# you really know your sex offenders.I hope you study them so you won’t get caught.Where any your friends??
Keep projecting pervert. As long as you are here typing, then our children are safer right now.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:56 amAgain if this illegal had been deported this person would be alive.So will the next victims of illegal mexicans.
Well i hope all you molesters have fun on your trip to mexico.Just don’t get caught.Theres no catch and release programs in mexico
April 6th, 2007 at 12:56 amI ‘m a illegal mexican . I can’t write no a englla or add no no cee cee I’m a dumb mexican.But cee cee i can rape and murder ,sell cocaine.cee
Comment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:42 am
:|
You know, I could have been a republican, but my parents weren’t related.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:56 am228 dumb ass i just brought up what goes on there.I didn’t know every liberal posting was gonna have orgasms and leave for mexico.
Comment by phil
Oh, now this ignorant pervert is calling ME a dumbass?
You’re the one fantasizing about 12 year old Mexican hookers, you sick f*ck.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:57 am235 did i say here in the usa dumbass??
April 6th, 2007 at 12:57 amComment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 12:33 am
I feel your pain – Have you read the Messiah of Morris Avenue? But honestly your portrayal is probably more accurate as to what would happen.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:57 am#236 Ok, sorry. That is the impression I got.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:58 amThe highly literate Phil sez… “Lets don’t forget democrats are for lighter sentences for your friends”
Like pardons for traitors?
“.Lets dont forget the democrat party is th part of man boy love”
Like covering up senatorial page-baiting? Terrific punctuation, by the way.
“and sex with horses.”
Let’s leave your mom out of it, eh?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:59 amComment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 12:36 am
You don’t even know what you’re fighting about. I WORFEUS can fight his own battls so then what do you have to say JPark? More insult slinging, useless wasted time, internet blogging FUD on your part? More of your moronic solutions to issues that can be solved by actually enforcing a law that allows South Americans to be treated like indentured servants and Americans to pay for their medical problems because it is not enforced? As far as STRAW goes that is used as feed for mules. I might have been harsh on I WORFEUS but then I remember that he and I disagree on Peak Oil and probably about everything else so there is no love lost.
One last time before bedtime, legal immigration is fantastic. My grandparents did it. My wife did it and like collecting unemployment you must wait your turn! Line cutters and line cutting felons are not needed in home or here. The FOX show is fake shock entertainment. You JPark are all hot air and smart a@@ed comments. So if you feel froggy then by all means JUMP.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:59 am#234 You are one sick little fuc*
April 6th, 2007 at 12:59 am“Where any your friends??
Lets don’t forget democrats are for lighter sentences for your friends .Lets dont forget the democrat party is th part of man boy love ”
seriously, you’re joking, right? somewhere an apostrophe is looking for you. [and "man boy love"? that would be mark foley's bag, and he is a republican]
April 6th, 2007 at 12:59 am#243 Why do you keep responding to your own posts, Dahmer?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:00 am242 why do you keep posting about it?? you getting hot?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:00 amWhy do you want to keep beating your wife?
By the way, in this instance, the word “wife†is a euphemism for “peckerâ€.
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Hey – You made me spit out water, knock it off before I hurt myself. Oh never mind a little pain will make me forget about trolls for a second.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:01 am235 did i say here in the usa dumbass??
Comment by phil
Well, now you’re calling yourself a dumbass, so that’s progress.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:01 amComment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:42 am
Phil really, you don’t have an opposable thumb, that doesn’t make you Mexican it makes you primate.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:03 am“Well i hope all you molesters have fun on your trip to mexico.”
phil, i think you’re thinking of the dominican republic. and mr. limbaugh asked you not to bring that incident up again.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:03 am242 why do you keep posting about it?? you getting hot?
Comment by phil
Talking to yourself, phil?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:03 amI think Phil’s eating his own liver.
With some fava beans and a nice chianti.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:03 am#250 That is ironic. Asking yourself if you are getting hot.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:03 amI don’t recall doing any of those things to you.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 6, 2007 @ 12:51 am
April 6th, 2007 at 1:04 amYou probibly didn’t! This board is confusing and this thread is the thread from hell. JPark is the problem!
252 how am i doing that ?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:04 am237, I’ll take the bait, what does Newt say?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:04 am#246 Saywho, sorry, I don’t debate those who throw up strawmen.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:04 am252 your the dumbass have fun in mexico
April 6th, 2007 at 1:04 am224 says #220 Excellent!! We should send all of our half-retarded trolls to…I don’t know, Texas.
Reminds me of that bumper sticker: “Somewhere in Texas there is a village missing its idiot.”
April 6th, 2007 at 1:05 amXenophobe Rape-Public-Cans eat their own. So predictable and so damn entertaining.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:05 amlegaleze your the retard . when you leaving for mexico??
April 6th, 2007 at 1:08 am#267 Do you really think that was a bright post?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:10 am235 did i say here in the usa dumbass??
Comment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:57 am
According to phil, the 12 yr old hookers are in Mexico, when the cross the border, they become rapists and murderers. Is that the way you cee it phil?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:11 am“nope nambla is defended by the aclu and democrat party”
I know it’s hopeless to have dialog with vegetable matter, but: Phil, can you please provide a reputable reference for this?
By the way, what is the “democrat party”? I keep hearing Chimpy make that reference, but I’m not aware of such a party.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:12 amlegaleze your the retard . when you leaving for mexico??
Comment by phil
It is YOU ARE or You’re…….RETARD
April 6th, 2007 at 1:13 am“legaleze your the retard . when you leaving for mexico??”
Phil, what school did you attend? If you can give me the name, I’m going to lobby my congressman to provide more funding for English as a First Language. Obviously, your teachers need some help.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:14 am#267 That would be, “you’re the retard”
April 6th, 2007 at 1:15 amphil!
“legaleze your the retard”—it should be “you’re”. not “your”.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:15 amReminds me of that bumper sticker: “Somewhere in Texas there is a village missing its idiot.â€
Comment by legaleze
A bumpersticker seen in the great red state of Idaho this afternoon:
“Bush thinks you’re stupid.”
April 6th, 2007 at 1:15 amphil, when you try to insult me, I know I’ve hit a home run. Thanks.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:15 amComment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 1:04 am
April 6th, 2007 at 1:16 amAs a matter of fact JPark you do not debate at all from what I see. You don’t discuss a point, concede to a point or participate with posters. You sling insults, take the popular view since you like the safety of numbers and don’t care about immigration laws. You are probably an anarchist since Dems & Repubs & Greens all have members that want immigration laws enforced!
GRAMMAR EXPLOSION!
April 6th, 2007 at 1:17 am266 and 267. I just want phil to see how others view his thinking and confirm it or deny it.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:17 am237, I’ll take the bait, what does Newt say?
Comment by legaleze — April 6, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Remember how Gingrich was against bilingual education before he started speaking really bad spanish and saying he wasn’t really against bilingual education … I forget where the newt finally ended up on the topic though.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:19 am272 A bumpersticker seen in the great red state of Idaho this afternoon:
“Bush thinks you’re stupid.â€
Comment by Zooey — April 6, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Or as phil would say: “your stupid”. No child left behind, right?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:19 amdon’t deny the fact your child molesting liberals. nice. have fun in mexico
April 6th, 2007 at 1:20 amSpeaking of bigotry, it’s not “a crusade against brown people.” It’s a campaign to uphold the rule of law in the United States and protect American labor. What part of that do people not understand? – tkk
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I agree. While I don’t like O’Reilly, I think it DOES have something to with illegal aliens AND drunk driving.
Why? Well because of the obvious – it WAS an illegal alien who was driving AND drinking WHILE driving!
If a Mexican (or anyone) is going to disobey United States immigration laws and be here illegally, then what makes us think they will obey ANY of our rules? We can’t say to our citizens and those who would be citizens to obey the laws of the United States if, at the same time, we allow millions to openly disobey them!
We don’t tolerate our own citizens disobeying our laws – and yet are we willing to allow millions who aren’t U.S. citizens to break them?
Talk about a contradiction!
After much thought, I guess I would consider myself a moderate with a very liberal bent. I don’t agree completely with everything a “liberal” does and I certainly don’t agree with everything a Republican does.
But what truly upsets me about liberals or right-wingers is their ability to completely ignore what the majority of Americans want.
For example, the far-right wants the war to go on without end and follow Bush blindly – knowing all the while that somewhere around 70% of Americans want it to end.
On the other hand, liberals want to allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference, no matter that a clear majority wants to find some kind of rational solution.
Too much extreme, be it left or right, isn’t good.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:21 amComment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 12:57 am
Phil, everybody know the 12 year old hookers are in Thailand. Could you just get on the plane already so you can shut up about it already. Although why a virgin like you needs a 12 year old I’ll never figure out.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:21 am#274 Actually, Says, I agreed with a whole lot you said. And then you said DEPORT THEM ALL. That is a direct quote. Kinda ridiculous since it is pretty much a non starter. It is you and Tancredo. You guys can’t see that immigration is a complex, multifaceted issue, not some wedge issue where you can just say EASY ANSWER!!! Yeah, that might be popular but it isn’t real.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:22 am277 Newt’s a whore. An expensive one, but still a whore.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:22 amI just want phil to see how others view his thinking and confirm it or deny it.
Comment by legaleze
Good luck with that one. :-D
It’s quite the achievement, but I think phil is actually more stupid than michael. Wow…
April 6th, 2007 at 1:22 am#279 While you stay here and molest our American, born and bred, kids? No thanks, pervert.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:23 amIs phil some kind of child sex tour guide?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:23 am“don’t deny the fact your child molesting liberals.”
My child is molesting liberals???
She must be a Republican.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:24 amnice. have fun in mexico
Comment by phil
phil knows where to find the 12 year old hookers.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:25 am#283 So you are against illegal immigrants drinking and driving. Congratulations.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:25 am#283 You are not moderate, you don’t LEAN liberal, you are a troll or you wouldn’t say On the other hand, liberals want to allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference, no matter that a clear majority wants to find some kind of rational solution. Can I buy a Republican talking point?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:26 am283, instead of speaking of bigotry, let’s speak of ignorance. You said: “On the other hand, liberals want to allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference, no matter that a clear majority wants to find some kind of rational solution.” How about a cite or some back up for that outrageous statement? Where is your support? I suggest you don’t have a clue about what liberals think or want. Unless you can back up that statement, you should apologize or get ready to face what’s coming.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:28 am#291 Heh, I think we sensed the same thing.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:30 amPeople, you might as well stop trying to reference posts by their post number. This thread is totally hosed.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:31 amI’m not a troll. Should I now prove it? Go check out Newshounds and you’ll find me under the name: Alishye, PbD. Read my posts. I’ve also posted about illegal immigration and had arguments with Newshounder regulars.
Just because I don’t agree with everything liberal doesn’t make me a troll.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:34 am#293 Yeah, that happens late at night.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:35 amPeople, you might as well stop trying to reference posts by their post number. This thread is totally hosed.
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Agreed! Totally hosed.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:35 am#294 Than why do you claim, despite the fact that all other speeches made by Bush have been met by the soldiers with applause and yelling, that all of a sudden it is respect for Bush is quietude?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:38 amAlishye, where is your support for your outrageous statement: “liberals want to allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference . . .”? I’m not calling you a troll, I’m calling you ignorant, at best.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:39 amI like merica. I work hard. I think I do your job goot. I do job for $75.00 a day. You like dat
April 6th, 2007 at 1:39 amOk, my grammar sucked on my last post.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:40 amHmm, Chico, $75 sounds pretty close to what Americans make for those jobs.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:41 amIgnorant, huh? I’ve mentioned that I blogged on Newshound and I get my “ignorance” from arguing this topic with them.
I believe you’re being overly sensitive.
So explain your solution. You’re a liberal, yes?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:43 amSomeone call Jerry Springer! I want to see BillO fly out of backstage and whomp on Geraldo’s ass!
April 6th, 2007 at 1:43 amPlez segnoira I do jew fer 200 in da bum
April 6th, 2007 at 1:44 amAlishye, that is no answer to his question. Why do you ignorantly echo Republican talking points?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:45 amAnd being a troll on Newhound doesn’t make you legit on TP. Just saying.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:46 amYeah, Chico, you need a real job.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:46 amBy the way, I AM a moderate and I DO “lean” liberal. Lean only – since I don’t subscribe to everything “liberal”. If that is offensive, then you must not be a liberal either, since foremost to being a liberal, I thought, is tolerance.
See? This, “I’m NOT a liberal” thing works both ways.
Maybe YOU should think before you type.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:46 amThe cage is in the water your in the water sharks in the water our shark
April 6th, 2007 at 1:47 amIgnorant, huh? I’ve mentioned that I blogged on Newshound and I get my “ignorance†from arguing this topic with them.
I believe you’re being overly sensitive.
So explain your solution. You’re a liberal, yes?
Comment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 1:43 am
Admit you don’t have any support for your outrageous statement. Admit it or back it up with evidence. Until and unless you do one or the other, you and I have nothing to discuss.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:49 amLegit here or not is your opinion. But I wasn’t coming in as a troll. Just as a voice with a different opinion.
But I am getting a bit bored with the fact you keep calling me ignorant because I don’t agree with YOU.
Can’t you come up with something better than that?
My “answer” may not be the answer you’re seeking, but insulting me won’t get me to give you an answer you like better.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:50 amAlishye, give me a break. I am supposed to tolerate you smearing the liberal position? Yeah, sorry, I am tolerant, not stupid.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:51 amHow is jab dat jew have senjoniora
April 6th, 2007 at 1:51 am“On the other hand, liberals want to allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference”
Well, I can’t find your original post. But looking at the quote above, don’t you think it is ignorance to paste all liberals with your ridiculous assertion? Couldn’t you at least put “some” in front of “liberals”?
Isn’t it ignorant to extrapolate from “blogging on Newshound” and arguing with “them” (no doubt consisting of a handful of anonymous people), to being knowledgeable on the views of tens of millions of people?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:53 amNo Alishye, you did not come on here with a “different position”. You came to smear us. I will again quote you.
On the other hand, liberals want to allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference, no matter that a clear majority wants to find some kind of rational solution.
I know of no liberals who believe that. Your “answer” is not just not the one I am looking for. It is what Karl Rove would tell you about liberals.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:54 amComment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 1:51 am
April 6th, 2007 at 1:54 amYour position JPark is doggy style but you don’t drive!
#319 Hey, I know more than missionary.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:56 amSee Alishye, gorn by any other name made a nice argument. That’s what I need to see from you in response. A premise, supported by some facts, followed by rational argument. But right now, you got nothing, man, nada, zero. . . . And unlike phil, you are not even amusing. I’m going to bed if you don’t come up with something soon.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:57 amLegaleze,
Go to bed. I didn’t ask you to argue with me! I just posted my opinion and for that I’m ignorant and in league with Karl Rove!
Name me ONE liberal who has come up with a rational solution to the illegal immigration debacle!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:02 amI accept your apology Assholy. Goodnight!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:05 am“Smearing the liberal position..”
What IS the liberal position?!
That’s my ENTIRE point!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:07 am#319 Ahh, the immigration “debacle”. As if it were actually more important than Iraq or the economy. Yeah, wedge-issue Alishye.
EVERY SINGLE lib in Congress is for tightening the borders, ala the 9-11 group. They are for keeping those out who don’t belong. However, they are also realistic in that you can’t friggin deport 12 million people. They offer earned residency to those and deportation to those who don’t follow it.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:08 am#321 Of course it is. Because you are a right wing hack that is too damn lazy to look it up.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:09 amAlishye’s assertion is acceptable since liberals always argue the immigration issue as difficult, complicated, hot buttoned, etc. Liberal people are looking for the easy way out since they rather have crops picked by someone else. They rather not get their hands dirty. Sometimes these liberals vote Dem or Rep but they always get someone else to do the hands on work. In that scenario the DEM is the consumer of said harvest while the Repub is likely the business owner. Both can be liberal though since it is liberal to knowingly break the law and destroy the economy.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:10 amBut I forgot, Alishye, you ARE a liberal. You prove it by fighting with those on Newshound. Huh?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:10 am“Name me ONE liberal who has come up with a rational solution to the illegal immigration debacle!”
I’ll do that as soon as you explain and/or apologize for your ridiculous assertion that all liberals want illegal immigration to continue without interference.
Don’t expect us to go researching answers to your latest proposition if you are too intellectually lazy to explain your original assertion. Otherwise, it’s just changing the subject.
If you were this contentious and evasive on Newshound, it’s no wonder people were battling you.
Incidentally, I find it interesting that you say “liberals” want unfettered illegal immigration, while a “clear majority” want otherwise. Given recent elections, I thought liberalism now represented a clear majority. Or, perhaps your definition of liberal includes only the two people you argued with on Newshound???
April 6th, 2007 at 2:11 amNow I’m being called yet another name!
Solutions! THAT’S what people want! Not empty “talking points” and name-calling!
You want a responsible President in ‘08? Then people better start talking about ways to solve our Nations REAL problems and stop with the senseless rhetoric.
And that goes for Democrats, Republicans, far-right-wingers, moderates, liberals & the far-left.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:12 amNo Say, immigration ISN’T easy. We have to crack down on the borders but what exactly would YOU do about the 12 Million already here? Wait, I already know, you would deport them despite the fact that it would be prohibitively expensive and big business would not support it. Why do you think that is a non-starter? Tyson doesn’t want to lose the cheap labor.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:13 amwelcome to the DisUnited States of HellMerica!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:14 amAlishye…Baaaaaaaahhhhh
April 6th, 2007 at 2:14 am“What IS the liberal position?!
That’s my ENTIRE point!”
You’re kidding, right? You already eloquently stated the liberal position, based on your vast research on a blog, didn’t you?
This is the moment where a rational and mature person would take a deep breath, do some introspection, and admit being wrong.
An immature person would continue to flail.
A troll will start hiding under a different name.
A coward will slink away.
Which will it be?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:15 amAlishye has True Grit but I’ll be the one eye fat man today!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:15 amAlishye, you are no different from Michael or phil. You just use more words.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:15 amYes, Alishye, solutions. That is what you are all about. Not bashing liberals but reaching a concensus. Yep.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:16 am“You can’t friggin deport 12 million people”
Who SAID I wanted to? Now THAT’S a Republican idea – NOT mine.
I don’t think you can (or should) deport 12 million people. But I do think that we need tighter security along our borders. We need tighter security when it comes to our personal information, like social security numbers, bank account number, etc.
Look, I have cousin in Mississippi who is dating an illegal immigrant. When I asked, she admitted that he has a stolen social security number and forged US papers in order to work. Thing is, everyone knows that in her small town and NOBODY does anything.
How is that right? What is the liberal solution?!!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:18 amComment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 2:13 am
Deport them. Hell they allready have the camps built though it appears that those are for ????
April 6th, 2007 at 2:18 am#282 “don’t deny the fact your child molesting liberals. nice. have fun in mexico”
Comment by phil — April 6, 2007 @ 1:20 am
No, my child is not molesting liberals (or anyone else) and it is nice to have fun in Mexico.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:18 amObviously, English is not your first language, so I shouldn’t make fun.. but you make it impossible to resist.
“Solutions! THAT’S what people want! Not empty “talking points†and name-calling!”
I agree. Let’s start with you retracting your absurd smear of liberals.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:18 amComment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 2:18 am
April 6th, 2007 at 2:20 amIs she HOT?
Oh, yeah, the stolen social security number and all that. Right.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:22 am“What is the liberal solution?!!”
Unlike you, I don’t speak for liberals. I speak only for myself.
You don’t seriously expect a lengthy dialog on the subject of immigration reform at 2 am, do you?
Instead of changing the subject, let’s keep it simple: retract your ridiculous assertion.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:23 amComment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 2:23 am
I will retract his assertion!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:24 amThe Dems have a platform on immigration. If you don’t like it, that is your problem. Call your Reps and Sens. Immigration is not some incredibly huge problem the righties say it is. We can fix it by tightening border controls and assimilating the current aliens. Yeah, real problem. Almost as big as that fake Social Security disaster.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:25 amYou’re kidding, right? You already eloquently stated the liberal position, based on your vast research on a blog, didn’t you?
This is the moment where a rational and mature person would take a deep breath, do some introspection, and admit being wrong.
An immature person would continue to flail.
A troll will start hiding under a different name.
A coward will slink away.
Which will it be? – Comment by gorn
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But you say that I’m wrong. That the liberal solution isn’t to “allow illegal immigration to continue without any interference”.
If my statement is false, then please (oh! please) explain to this poor “ignorant troll” the true and exact liberal solution to the illegal immigration problem.
Thing is, I keep asking (over and over and over) for someone (anyone!) to explain (in plain, simple English for this “ignorant troll”) what is the liberal solution and for some unknown reason, no one can.
Strange, n’est pas?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:26 amWell, Saywho, at least you had 1 mostly intelligent post. I hope that sometime you can continue that streak.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amWhewwww that was difficult but it is retracted!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amMaybe YOU should think before you type.
Comment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 1:46 am
Apparently WE don’t have to because YOU have the whole LIBERAL thing all figured out. I think you’re pretty good at the condescending thing too.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:27 amWell, you can believe me or not. I’m in the South and I see illegal immigration perhaps more than you do.
No lengthy dialog, and no I won’t retract my statement.
If you can refute it, then I believe it will stand pat.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:29 amWell, Saywho, I guess I can’t say streak because you have had about a dozen ridiculous posts.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:30 am“What IS the liberal position?!
That’s my ENTIRE point!â€
You’re kidding, right? You already eloquently stated the liberal position, based on your vast research on a blog, didn’t you?
This is the moment where a rational and mature person would take a deep breath, do some introspection, and admit being wrong.
An immature person would continue to flail.
A troll will start hiding under a different name.
A coward will slink away.
Which will it be?
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 2:15 am
gorn said it better than I could, but since Alishye has dodged this same question six times now, it’s worth repeating. I’d like an answer so I can go to sleep!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:30 amAlishye, you are officially an idiot. Or not. Just a righty tool. You KNOW you are lying about the Dem position but you don’t care, do you? That makes you a troll.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:32 amComment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 2:02 am
You come here to argue and then you start telling people to go to sleep. Aren’t you just queen of your universe.
Nobody invited you here, don’t feel obligated to stay. Obviously you think we all speak with one mind. Unfortunately you’re thinking of Republicans that follow the administration talking points. That’s not us.
Maybe you should just move on down the road.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:33 amIf my statement is false, then please (oh! please) explain to this poor “ignorant troll†the true and exact liberal solution to the illegal immigration problem.
Of course it is false and you know it is. We don’t need to explain it to you. You are more intelligent than our average troll. You KNOW you are a lying sack.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:33 am“If my statement is false, then please (oh! please) explain to this poor “ignorant troll†the true and exact liberal solution to the illegal immigration problem.”
Nice try, but elementary logic dictates that the burden of proof is on the person who makes the assertion. I’m not here to explain away your delusion.
Either defend your position or retract it.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:35 amAnd unlike phil, you are not even amusing. I’m going to bed if you don’t come up with something soon.
Comment by legaleze — April 6, 2007 @ 1:57 am
Most definitely NOT amusing. What the world needs, another boooorrrring troll.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:36 amRight back at ya, Shane. I jumped on the “condescending thing” band wagon when I kept getting it from your peers.
If this were a contest, then I would say that JPark came closest to winning. Thanks for the ONLY explanation on the “liberal” immigration position:
“The Dems have a platform on immigration. We can fix it by tightening border controls and assimilating the current aliens. Yeah, real problem. Almost as big as that fake Social Security disaster.”
IF it were a contest, I did say that JPark was the closest to getting the prize, but (hold your horses) not quite.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:36 amThat is the solution of some Democrats (and one I happen to support), but I wouldn’t say that it is a liberal solution since not all Democrats support it and most of the ones that do are the more moderate.
The Dems have a platform on immigration. If you don’t like it, that is your problem. Call your Reps and Sens. Immigration is not some incredibly huge problem the righties say it is. We can fix it by tightening border controls and assimilating the current aliens. Yeah, real problem. Almost as big as that fake Social Security disaster.
Comment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 2:25 am
April 6th, 2007 at 2:37 amYea, good idea let’s absorb them. That is not a plan by the way Jet Eye Master Flush; the aliens are in all over the place and have self absorbed. This would be considered a thumb in our eyes by all except those going with the Borg assimilation plan. Your plan is simply MORE OF THE SAME/no plan at all!
“Well, you can believe me or not. I’m in the South and I see illegal immigration perhaps more than you do.”
Wrong again. I’m in San Diego.
You know what they say about people who make assumptions, right?
For about the tenth time: defend your assertion or retract it.
And nobody else can retract it for you.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:37 amMan, read the posts! Shane, I posted a comment and started getting hammered with names! I DIDN’T come here to argue or to have a name-calling fest!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:38 amAlishye…Baaaaaaaahhhhh
Comment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 2:14 am
Nice of you to speak to her in her own language.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:40 amAlsishye, you say that is the solution of some Dems but since it isn’t the solution for all Dems it isn’t the Dem solution. Are you crazy? You have Tancredo and Bush in the same party with Bush (embarassingly) with pretty much the same idea as the Dems while Tancredo practically wants to kill all foreigners. Do you think EVERY person in the party has to agree before it is on the platform?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:41 amSaywho, how is that not a plan? Because your bigotry won’t allow it?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:42 amHow is that right? What is the liberal solution?!!
Comment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 2:18 am
Well they all know so I guess somebody should call INS.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:42 am“I wouldn’t say that it is a liberal solution since not all Democrats support it and most of the ones that do are the more moderate.”
Ah, so it’s a “liberal position” only if “all Democrats support it.”
Oh, what tangled web we weave when first we engage of denial of our stupid assertions…
April 6th, 2007 at 2:43 amAlishye, you got hammered for good reason. You claimed something that was untrue. Would you like to take it back and make a clean start?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:44 amComment by old hippie woman — April 6, 2007 @ 2:18 am
The only thing phil’s good for is playing with … but really he’s not that amusing is he?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:44 amI love the name-calling – really I do.
Usually it’s the “troll” who throws out all the nasty little names – you don’t usually get it from bloggers on the left.
Usually, your more intelligent bloggers ARE on the left and they have no need to be crude.
I think (okay, so now I’m being nasty) the word “troll” was invented for the “ignorant” right-winger who couldn’t come up with an intelligent comment to win an argument against a Democrat or Liberal.
I’ve never seen a person who disagrees with someone (or several someone’s) attacked with vicious name-calling on a left-leaning blog.
I think some of us have let our victory in November go to our heads.
So how about this? I won’t retract my statement. You don’t have to explain the liberal position and you may tell everyone that you “won” an argument against a vicious, nasty, name-calling troll.
There! Does that make you feel better now?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:48 amShane, that one (phil) has an IQ of 80-. I feel bad about enjoying the ripping I give him but I am irredeemable. I will do it over and over and over…
April 6th, 2007 at 2:48 amThing is, I keep asking (over and over and over) for someone (anyone!) to explain (in plain, simple English for this “ignorant trollâ€) what is the liberal solution and for some unknown reason, no one can.
Strange, n’est pas?
Comment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 2:26 am
Well this is a paragraph straight out of the troll play book. Come here acting like we’re all one person and then demand we explain ourselves.
Okay, you go first. Explain why you’re here and what you plan to accomplish. If you’re trying to teach us “poor dumb liberals” something you might as well give it up.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:48 amI wouldn’t say that it is a liberal solution since not all Democrats support it and most of the ones that do are the more moderate.â€
So, what is the conservative position, and do all republicans endorse it?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:49 amShane, would it be so hard for them to tell us what their ideas are? It is not like we hide what we believe. Maybe if they did that we could have actual dialogue.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:50 amHey gorn, I’m in San Diego too (albeit on vacation). Good on ya mate.
It’s late and time for bed. And the official count is in, alishye ignored the request to back up his outrageous statement eight times and offerred a dozen diversions instead.
By the way, this immigration thing is just another fear tactic by the right. They want us to be afraid that our borders are insecure, that we are under attack, that we need more police, more soldiers, more jails and more dollars for defense and national security. Go ahead and give them the money they seek to make you feel secure; give them that money, which they in turn give to Haliburton and Blackwater. Give them that money which could be used for your healthcare or your children’s education. Give them your money and your freedom, cause until you see the real issue here, you, alishye, don’t deserve it.
Goodnight.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:52 amI know that Exley takes a lot of crap but I like the guy. Yeah, he is arrogant and condescending but you know where he stands. He doesn’t just attack.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:52 amComment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 2:36 am
And you came here, why? Oh and I bet some of your best friends are liberals too, being all open minded as you are.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:53 amLiberal & Democrat aren’t quite the same. You do understand that, don’t you?
They are no more the same that a moderate Republican and a far-right winger are!
I can’t believe I have to point out the obvious!
And you keep calling me ignorant! Geez!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:53 amSo how about this? I won’t retract my statement. You don’t have to explain the liberal position and you may tell everyone that you “won†an argument against a vicious, nasty, name-calling troll.
Your continued attempt to equate your silly assertion with our refusal to take the bait to change the subject, is painfully transparent.
“I love the name-calling – really I do.”
I’m pretty sure I haven’t called you any names (though sorely tempted), so instead of continuing with that attempted diversion, please just do what I have asked now many times – explain your assertion, defend your position, or retract it.
If you really believe that all liberals take the position you assert, you should be able to defend it.
Or, dodge some more.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:53 amNice try Alishye, so with your definition you could NEVER define a liberal position because you would have to include all liberals and since the term is a bit nebulous you couldn’t possibly do it. You can’t lose. You can say there is no blanket liberal stance and you would be right every time.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:58 amwouldn’t say that it is a liberal solution since not all Democrats support it and most of the ones that do are the more moderate.â€
You post this, and think we’re confused? Try re-reading your words; you seem to be confused about the difference between liberal and democrat.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:58 amSaywho, how is that not a plan? Because your bigotry won’t allow it?
Comment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 2:42 am
As I type and you read we have a Border Patrol. Even though we are building walls and making arrests they flood in. Beyond that millions are here that have simply overstayed their visas. As we talk illegal aliens have entered the workforce, hospitals, schools, etc.
Your plan like the one Bush did was and is… Beef up the boarder and absorb the aliens! If you asked me I would tackle the actual issue. American corporations that higher the aliens must be made accountable and institutions would be forced to turn aliens away. Aliens found to commit felonies in the US will never be legally able to enter the US for any reason after serving their sentence! There is more but I have to go to the bathroom… and your plan is not a plan since it is actually current GOP policy!
April 6th, 2007 at 2:58 am“Liberal & Democrat aren’t quite the same. You do understand that, don’t you?”
Are you asking yourself this question? You’re the one who said that (a) all liberals held a position for unfettered illegal immigration; (b) demanded to hear a different position from a liberal; (c) upon given a different position, stated that it could not be considered a liberal opinion because all Democrats do not support it.
Please, try to follow your own stream of consciousness.
And please, explain or retract your original absurd assertion.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:59 amI think some of us have let our victory in November go to our heads.
So how about this? I won’t retract my statement. You don’t have to explain the liberal position and you may tell everyone that you “won†an argument against a vicious, nasty, name-calling troll.
There! Does that make you feel better now?
Comment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 2:48 am
I think some of us are tired of getting bullied by neocons. I think Democrats won the election because we stopped being bullied as opposed to fighting back because we won.
I guestt this isn’t the left leaning blog of roll over and play dead. So if your looking for a group of liberals who will thank you for sharing your infinite wisdom with us you came to the wrong place.
In addition, you came in at about #290 and you want us to start explaining the entire thread or what. Come back when you can get in at the start of a thread and maybe you’ll understand that we all think differently and that’s what liberal means.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:59 amI’m not trying to teach you anything Shane. I don’t think you’re dumb. I just posted my opinion like hundreds of others have done. I didn’t think I would get attacked. I am being completely serious.
And Legaleze just proved my point. Liberals (NOT Democrats) don’t want to do anything about the border.
I’m all for universal health care & free education (all levels – that includes collage), but I think only law-abiding Americans should receive them. There should be conditions that must be met to be eligible for such programs – but those programs should be available. Every other great Nation has them – why don’t we?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:01 amShane, that one (phil) has an IQ of 80-. I feel bad about enjoying the ripping I give him but I am irredeemable. I will do it over and over and over…
Comment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 2:48 am
As I just explained to Queen Alishye, I am tired of getting kicked around by neocons. No more Mrs. Nice Guy for me. And trolls are good butt kicking practice. And they can alway leave, we don’t go looking for them.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:02 amAlishye, I have told you how I feel. I believe that immigration is mostly a diversion issue. However, I believe we need to close borders and ports. Inspections and all that like the 9-11 commission suggested. Those that are here…if they behave and do everything required of them get to be citizens. I am a liberal. Do I speak for all liberals? No. So, if you feel the need you can say liberals don’t have a plan for immigration you can but in that case no collective group has a plan for anything.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:03 am[...] tip: Think Progress) posted 04/06/07 at 12:08 am Sphere It View blog [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 3:04 amMaybe if they did that we could have actual dialogue.
Comment by JPark — April 6, 2007 @ 2:50 am
They don’t want a dialogue. They want to disrupt and steer the dialogue. When we do tell them they act like the don’t see it and come back to the same question. Over, and over, and over.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:05 amShane, I am with you. I just wish there were a few reasonable people from the other side of the spectrum would appear. It seems we get the dregs like phil, michael, and patrick1 and nobody that has an actual thought.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:07 amI know Shane. Most of them just want to be, as my grandmother would say, sh!t disturbers.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:08 am“And Legaleze just proved my point. Liberals (NOT Democrats) don’t want to do anything about the border.”
Okay, I get it. So by definition a liberal is someone who subscribes to your statement about allowing unfettered illegal immigration. Thank you for providing the definition.
You should now feel secure that by your definition liberals account for an insignificantly small percentage of the population, because I don’t know even a single person who subscribes to your statement.
As far as I know, by your definition, there is not a single liberal on TP.
Now that we have that clarified, I’d suggest you cease to use the word liberal here because I doubt anyone outside of Rush Limbaugh shares anything like your definition.
Do you have any other strawmen to construct?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:08 amJPark,
Your explaintion is the most “to the point” I’ve ever gotten. I totally agree.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:09 amI’m not sure why some of my comments are showing up, but I wanted to make sure that JPark’s understand that I totally agree with his comment #384.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:12 amAlishye, that seems to be the liberal platform across the board. That is why I was so surprised by your statement that liberals have no plan. It is the right that is divided on the issue.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:12 amIt seems there is a bit of a delay before the comments show up. Sorry about the double post.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:13 am“And Legaleze just proved my point. Liberals (NOT Democrats) don’t want to do anything about the border.”
I may be asleep, but I’ve still got enough brain power to call you on that pile of dung.
Trust me; I haven’t proved your point. You have no point. You are pointless; a waste of time and energy. You are starting to get humorous. Your saying “I’m all for universal health care & free education (all levels – that includes collage) . . . ” brought a definite smile.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:14 amOK Back and my point is on the money
April 6th, 2007 at 3:21 amI don’t agree that it’s the right who are divided on the issue. Or should I say that the line between right & left has become very, very blurry. It’s only the far-right and the far-left who are completely different.
I think the far-right want to kick every illegal immigrant out (how they plan to accomplish that I have no idea) and when I said “liberal” I meant the far-left want to allow open borders with no sanctions against illegal immigrants.
I believe that the majority of Americans are moderates – neither far-right nor far-left, Republicans or Democrat. I’ve always believed that the majority were moderate, but just didn’t realized it. That it took the antics of George W. Bush to make people, who thought they were Republicans, understand that they are actually moderate.
If I didn’t type it quite right, oh well, but I certainly didn’t mean to attack anyone. That wasn’t my intention. Debate was.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:23 amI believe that Alishye’s point is that regardless of party there is no plan like the current plan that will probably lead to race riots!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:26 amI may be asleep, but I’ve still got enough brain power to call you on that pile of dung.
Trust me; I haven’t proved your point. You have no point. You are pointless; a waste of time and energy. You are starting to get humorous. Your saying “I’m all for universal health care & free education (all levels – that includes collage) . . . †brought a definite smile.
Comment by legaleze
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Look, I’m tired of the name-calling. If I make mistakes typing, it IS 2:30 in the morning and it’s a bit childish to pick THAT of all things out and have a field day with. I guess I need to look over everything I type very carefully just in case someone decides to pick on me for making mistakes! Geez!
I give up! I don’t agree with you, but I haven’t decided to become a mean-ass bitch and spew hateful stuff at you!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:27 amHey so this thread is a monster!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:29 amGoin for 400
April 6th, 2007 at 3:29 amMaybe 401 ???
April 6th, 2007 at 3:30 amAlishye, relax. No one is spewing hateful stuff at you! Least of all me. Good night.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:30 amLegaleze says he wants “to call me on that pile of dung” and instead of doing that he turns around and makes fun of a early morning typing error!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:32 amOh sure! Of course no one’s been saying mean things! Scroll up dude!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:33 am“when I said “liberal†I meant the far-left want to allow open borders with no sanctions against illegal immigrants.”
Yes, but: WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?? Really, I want to know. Can you name some political leaders who subscribe to this position? Can you name any?
If not, why even bring it up? It only serves to obscure whatever point you were trying to make (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that you had some other point to make; either that, or it’s a right wing strawman).
April 6th, 2007 at 3:34 amWhat the hell is a right-wing strawman?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:37 am“Oh sure! Of course no one’s been saying mean things! Scroll up dude!”
Imagine, mean things on an anonymous blog. Shock!
I will say again that I’ve been quite restrained in my posts, unless you consider it “mean” for me to be insisting that you defend your slanderous statement, and not letting you wriggle off the hook – a hook of your own making.
Has it occurred to you that people here who consider themselves “liberal” found it “mean” that you attacked liberals with your opening statement? Has it occurred to you that in so doing, you set the tone for what followed? Has it occurred to you that your refusal to retract it only added fuel to the fire?
If you are sincere, you should consider the above with the seriousness that it deserves and that I intend.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:40 amWhat the hell is a right-wing strawman?
Comment by Alishye —
This is:
when I said “liberal†I meant the far-left want to allow open borders with no sanctions against illegal immigrants.â€
Post something which buttresses the assertion. Otherwise, it’s a strawman, of right-wing origin.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:41 amHe is insinuating that you’re making this far right winger up!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:42 amComment by Saywho
Saywhat?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:45 amCheck out Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Stephen Lynch and others immigration reform voting record here:
http://www.betterimmigration.com/
Look at how they vote to stem illegal immigration. If their position isn’t mainstream, isn’t what the moderate majority wanted and they certainly aren’t far right-wingers, then what would you label them?
Liberals.
And don’t get me wrong. I like Ted Kennedy, I love to hear to yell when he’s making a speech on the floor and I like watching Barney Franks – he’s a favorite on Bill Maher, but I don’t agree with everything they have to say.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:46 amComment by barfly — April 6, 2007 @ 3:45 am
Sorry fake left winger originating from the far right LOL your all nuts you know!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:47 amGorn,
I’m NOT talking about you when I say that people here are name-calling and saying mean things! Surely you KNOW that since you haven’t done those things!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:48 amWhat the hell is a right-wing strawman?
Strawman: a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted
Right-wing Strawman: a strawman argument presented by a right wing ideologue, as in:
“Bill O’Rielly screamed ‘All liberals want unfettered illegial immigration!’”
Okay, this isn’t the best example of a strawman, but it’s the best my brain can do at this late hour.
Bottom line, either you insensitively mis-spoke about liberals, or you (intentionally or otherwise) parroted a right wing talking point.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:48 amPost something which buttresses the assertion. Otherwise, it’s a strawman, of right-wing origin.
Comment by barfly
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So if you can’t post something that disproves my statement, what does that make you?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:50 amComment by Alishye — April 6, 2007 @ 3:50 am
Sorry but what was you’re right wing straw man assertion again?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:53 am“So if you can’t post something that disproves my statement, what does that make you?”
Your statement was that liberals are in favor of unfettered illegal immigration. Several liberals told you that they are not in favor of unfettered illegal immigration. Therefore, your statement is disproven.
And I do have to repeat that in any case the burden of proof is on the person who makes the statement, and nobody else.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:58 amYea he is DOB correct on that one!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:59 amCheck out comment #410 Gorn.
I refused to retract.
Goodnight.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:00 amSo if you can’t post something that disproves my statement, what does that make you?
Comment by Alishye
I’ve looked at your “score card,” and some of the scoring categories look a little ambigous. Who exactly are these folks? I see that one of the ways that someone can earn negative points is by co-sponsoring bills – a very inexact measurement, don’t you think? Bills are co-sponsored for a variety of reasons, as i’m sure you’re well aware. Some co-sponsor bills they know will never see the light of legislative day – so this formulation could be easily skewed. How’s that?
April 6th, 2007 at 4:01 amWow that hurt. She was correct too
April 6th, 2007 at 4:03 am“Check out Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Stephen Lynch and others immigration reform voting record”
I went to the web site and looked at Ted Kennedy’s “grade”, but it is only a grade assigned by someone and not an actual description of his positions. No offense, but that doesn’t mean much unless you have great faith in the people giving the grade.
So I went to Teddy’s web site, and here is a direct quote of his stated (high level) position on immigration:
This does not look to me as if Teddy is in favor of unfettered illegal immigration. Therefore, again your statement is disproved. Ted’s statement may be debatable in its content, but it any case it clearly does not match your assertion. If he’s your poster boy for liberals, your statement is false.
Really, we should stop kicking this dead horse and it would be nice if you would consider distancing yourself from your initial assertion.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:04 amThis does not look to me as if Teddy is in favor of unfettered illegal immigration. Therefore, again your statement is disproved.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:11 amComment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 4:04 am
Ted’s position is like JParks. They acknowledge a problem then say a bit then the solution is to do what is already being done…NOTHING
We must have a comprehensive fix to our nation’s immigration problem. Dang you are tellin me! Strong enforcement measures are critical to reforming immigration laws, but we cannot regain control of our borders by simply cracking down harder. I thought creating strong laws that must be enforced to the letter of the law that are just would be symbolic of showing some resolve in congress? Dang, they cracked down some crack but it didn’t work! True immigration reform must be realistic, with solutions that protect our borders, enable temporary workers to come here legally, and allow workers already here to earn legal status. Here what he is suggesting is that unless you round em up and kill em all they are like roaches. So we will do more of the same!
Ha and I’m a DEM and I see all this for the lip service that all polititions do!
April 6th, 2007 at 4:29 amI am neither endorsing or attacking Ted’s position. I am merely pointing out that it in no way matches the ridiculous assertion that liberals want unfettered illegal immigration.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:31 amHonestly there are 12 MILLION aliens in the US probably more…
That is UNFETTERED LOL
“Honestly there are 12 MILLION aliens in the US probably more…
That is UNFETTERED LOL”
What are you talking about? He said he is in favor of a guest worker program (a fetter) and providing a path for those already here to become legal (another fetter). These are different fetters from building a 2000 mile fence, militarizing the border, and deporting anyone who can’t produce documents, but nevertheless they are fetters.
If I’m not mistaken, these are also positions held by the notorious liberal George Bush.
I am not saying I take these positions, I am only pointing out that they are quite effective in showing that Alishye’s point was FALSE. Again, end of story.
Personally, I have no interest in debating immigration reform on this board, certainly not at this late hour, so I’m not going to take the bait. I am only showing that Alishye’s right wing talking point is FALSE no matter how many times it is repeated, and anyone objective and serious can see that.
Unless you have something of substance to say, I’m done.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:40 amComment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 4:40 am
April 6th, 2007 at 4:43 amYou are mistaken. Bush wants Amnisty, guest workers, no walls etc.
“You are mistaken. Bush wants Amnisty, guest workers, no walls etc.”
I’m not mistaken – this is exactly what I said – Bush’s position is similar to Ted’s – both suggest a guest worker program and some means to legalize those already here. Therefore if Ted is the poster boy liberal, George Bush must also be liberal.
Try again?
April 6th, 2007 at 4:47 amPersonally, I have no interest in debating immigration reform on this board, certainly not at this late hour, so I’m not going to take the bait. I am only showing that Alishye’s right wing talking point is FALSE no matter how many times it is repeated, and anyone objective and serious can see that.
Unless you have something of substance to say, I’m done.
I doubt that you can show that his/her point is FALSE since both sides simply want to do the same thing as you… Forget about it!
April 6th, 2007 at 4:47 amProsecute those who hire illegals and the number will go down. Under Clinton we did this a few hundred times. The last six years—next to none.
I agree with Ceasar Chavez who said in about 1968 that he opposed illegal workers, but it kept wages too low.
No matter what conservatives politicians SAY, they are for illegal workers because their priority is keeping wages low. This is especially true of the sponsors of mainstreammedia. You will not hear mainstream media call for the prosecution of Wal-Mart execs.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:51 amComment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 4:47 am
April 6th, 2007 at 4:53 amOK I see your issue that you think this means fettered rather than UN?? If we do nothing and we intend to do more nothing then we are doing NOTHING and the aliens continue to come into the country UNFETTERED! Building bigger better walls, dogs, machine guns, mine fields would create obstacles or add FETTERS. Lethal injection would be a big potential FETTER too.
I doubt that you can show that his/her point is FALSE since both sides simply want to do the same thing as you… Forget about it!
From this logic, I can only conclude that you are either not very bright, deliberately obtuse, or insane. If it’s the first, I forgive you. If the second or third, please don’t vote. Or reproduce.
Good night!
April 6th, 2007 at 4:56 amComment by keith — April 6, 2007 @ 4:51 am
I posted something like that a few hundred posts ago LOL But yes if it were up to me the place to start would be by removing the money supply and the tax cheats.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:58 am#429 That should be:
“Chavez opposed illegal workers because they kept wages too low”.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:58 amGood night!
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 4:56 am
ROFLMAO Laterzzzzzzz Loooooser
April 6th, 2007 at 5:01 amOK I see your issue that you think this means fettered rather than UN?? If we do nothing and we intend to do more nothing then we are doing NOTHING and the aliens continue to come into the country UNFETTERED! Building bigger better walls, dogs, machine guns, mine fields would create obstacles or add FETTERS. Lethal injection would be a big potential FETTER too.
Oh dear lord, what is WITH you people??
This is what she said:
This is proven false by the fact that (a) liberals here have said they do not agree with it, (b) her poster child Ted Kennedy states a different position on his web site, and (c) the incumbent non-liberal administration agrees with Kennedy and therefore the “clear majority” statement makes no sense any way you look at it.
This would be a statement more closely resembling reality:
“On the other hand, liberals are not in favor of building a 2000 foot wall on the border, utilizing dogs, machine guns, or mine fields, or committing genocidal attacks on anyone not carrying documentation.”
I think liberals would agree with that, as would the clear majority of sane people.
However, her statement was just f-ing stupid. Get over it.
April 6th, 2007 at 5:09 am“I posted something like that a few hundred posts ago LOL “
And guess what, I also happen to agree with Keith. But that isn’t the point, if you weren’t able to figure that out yet. You’re too busy trying to prop up some vapid strawman talking point assertion.
The fact is, the illegal immigration problem is yet another manifestation of Republican failure for the past six years, and more specifically a failure of both Bush I and Bush II. To try to paint it as the result of liberalism or the Democrats is intellectual dishonesty of the worst order. There is plenty to dislike about Democrats (as all politicians) without inventing things, or transferring guilt from the bankrupt ideology of the right wing to the acquiescent ideology of the left.
April 6th, 2007 at 5:25 amComment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 5:09 am
April 6th, 2007 at 5:26 amYour foul mouth and attitude are the issue. I know what she/he said! The facts are 12MILLION or more are in and that proves that politicians pay us all lip service on all sides. They are not going to do anything different or drastic so nothing will change. I’m not hung on a semantic here. The current laws are not doing anything and changing the laws will most likely let in more. Stop being a stick in the mud.
Comment by gorn by any other name — April 6, 2007 @ 5:25 am
April 6th, 2007 at 5:42 amWhy is it important for you to tell me who and what you agree with? Were you not the one that said this, “I can only conclude that you are either not very bright, deliberately obtuse, or insane.” but you keep posting and you never mentioned the possibility that the political position across the board is that aliens have UNFETTERED access
“Foul mouth”? Unless it is foul to call you a moron, my mouth hasn’t been foul. I’m not interested in following your provocations. The record stands on its own. As I said, I’m not going to debate immigration reform. I was simply deconstructing her false statement. Nothing more, nothing less. Spare me your attempts to take the discussion elsewhere. If that point has no interest for you, then cease responding to me.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:04 amFor the record: Bill Clinton arrested and sent back more illegal aliens than any President in American history.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:43 amWhat’s wrong with wanting to send people that commit crime back to there home nation before they hurt or kill innocent people? I agree that drunk drivers are an issue. But the two girls in the story would be alive now had the drunk driver that hit them been in jail or deported after he committed his first crime.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:47 amOne time at a rest stop on the highway, it took me 10 minutes to have the cashier understand that what I had on the side was a pickle. She had to call the other cashier over, and then the boss. It was a nightmare. At LEAST learn the English words of the food you’re selling!
Don’t think you’ve traveled much through the southeast. A hillbilly accent renders the English language incomprehensible. Think Bush’s manufactured drawl and you’ll get it. Now, imagine that drawl on someone who didn’t go to Yale.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:14 amthailand?? A child molesting liberal would know that.Maybe your child molesting friends on this board will go with you.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:03 amHope know one i know gets raped or murdered by a illegal mexican today.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:05 amHope know one i know gets raped or murdered by a illegal mexican today.
Comment by phil
But if they are killed by a citizen, it’s cool with you right phil?
April 6th, 2007 at 8:23 amEvery crime a illegal mexican commits could have been prevented.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:36 amIt’s time that American criminals claimed their sole position as the rapist and thieves and killers of America! This outsourcing of criminals to immigrants is an outrage!
-GSD
April 6th, 2007 at 9:00 amI have 2 close friends who are “illegal” or “undocumented” (whichever floats your boat) and neither are Mexican. One is eastern european and the other is asian.
This is why I take issue with framing this as a “mexican” problem. I also would like to see more asians standup on the mexicans behalf because if papers start getting checked many of them would be in dire straits also.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:09 am#443 – Too bad for you that it’s mostly Republicans that molest children.
Geraldo made a great point about using drunk driving to make a cheak political point. Geraldo won, O’Reilly lost!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:13 am#448 – Good point!
When I lived in Arlington, VA, the only illegal or undocumented workers I knew of were Irish and German. Go figure.
The majority of anti-immigration people tend to be anti-Mexican and that’s prerry much it.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:16 amWow! I’ve got to start running spell check on my posts!
I’m beginning to type like ultra-radical, right-winger neo-con regressives do! ;-)
April 6th, 2007 at 9:19 amGeraldo lost his cool just as much as O’Rielly lost his. I don’t think that Bill or Geraldo really lost the argument as the title suggests. I think they both had good points. The problem is they are both way too hot headed to discuss it in a civil manner.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:19 amBill O. Worst person in the woooooooorrrrrrrrld….
April 6th, 2007 at 9:25 amTwo bitbull dogs barking. It got noisy at the Fox studio.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:29 amWho won – Geraldo or Bill O’Reilly?
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/04/geroldo-riviera-bill-oreilly-meltdown.html#links
April 6th, 2007 at 9:58 amI watched it last night and thought it was staged. Did anyone notice how the Billdo talked about Faux as the “Fair and Balance” network about a dozen times before and after the argument? It was setup to show that the notwork encourages different opinions.
What a sham!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:07 amWe really should send Fox a thank you letter.
It was unbelievably nice of them not to edit this, and instead let us laugh our asses off watching it over and over and over.
Its the gift that keeps on giving.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:21 amIt’s not that he was Mexican. It didn’t mater if he was Mexican, Asian, Russian, or Irish. He was not in the country legally. He was arrested 4 times. He should have long been deported before he got drunk and killed 2 teenaged girls.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:50 amI’ve got no beef with people coming (legally or other) to try and make money for their families. I would do the same thing for my family in that situation, no doubt. The problem I have is this: When they get caught, especially if they break the law (again), then it’s back to home you go!
April 6th, 2007 at 11:01 amBottom line is this; the clown that did this should have been deported a long time ago, but no one has the sack to do it. I don’t care if you are mexican, ethiopian, or from sweden; you break the law, you gotta go!
INS put my FAMILY THROUGH HELL to become a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
Although all THREE sons are U.S. CITIZENS (as I am).
Two sons are presently in the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS.
STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:17 amFUNK! I need some speakers for my office desktop. Although the hilarity was well apparent. Watch this muted and dream up an argument about the pros and cons of loofas. You may fall off of your chair!
LMAO
April 6th, 2007 at 11:47 amFox News has jumped the shark.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:57 amIf we had real immigration inforcement, two girls would be alive right now. Tie that to the fact that 1/3 of federal prisoners are illegal immigrants-I commend ORielly for getting upset. Illegal immigration will crush our country.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:22 pm[...] his debate with Geraldo last night, Bill O’Reilly argued that the deaths of two girls in a drunk-driving accident should be [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 1:30 pmHA
April 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pmThis topic still rages on. Proof that immigration is definitely a Hot Button issue even here at TP. This may also be proof that the Factor has a plot-line, script and a crack editing staff. Some of us think that nearly 100% of TV and cable programming is scripted and edited. Any time you see a “Point vs. Counter Point†type of show you must suspend disbelief for it to become factual in a FOX world.
Why does fox lie about everything else they show but allow us to see this? They shoot many takes and choose the one that is most effective to get a specific point across. I believe that this was “Shock TV†like you would see on Howard Stern On Demand. Here I think they programmed us to take sides. In essence they divided us to conquer our minds. With that tension they are free to suggest that the immigration issue is a NON ISSUE.
My, my, my. Authoritarian much, Bill?
Geraldo: this is what you get for casting your lot with these scumbags, you scumbag.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWhat do wanna bet Geraldo finds himself “disullusioned” with his sojourn among the authoritarian right wing followers soon and pulls a Matthew Dowd?
April 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pm[...] Showdown on immigration: Geraldo v. O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly loses the argument and then loses his temper. [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 5:13 pmDrunk drivers and killing people with cars?
George Bush 1 drunk driving conviction. Dick Cheney 2 drunk driving convictions. Laura Bush killed her ex-fiance by running stop sign and crashing into his car (I ain’t saying intentionally). We do not know if she was breathalyzed. We do know she got no conviction whatsoever.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:12 pmI love it! Fox News showing its true color: bull “manure” brown. Too bad they didn’t include the other two jerks: Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace — they could have had a tag team match…
April 6th, 2007 at 9:16 pmHey guys, help me out here.
What’s that Oreilly says at the end of his broadcasts when he’s telling folks to email him?
What was that again?
:|
Oh yea.
“Keep it ….. PITHY” ?
BAWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA
April 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pm[...] Showdown on immigration: Geraldo v. O’Reilly. [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 10:18 pmmmm…I just saw angry people screaming.
Any chance one of this could beat Chomsky on a debate?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:22 amThat’s what happens Geraldo, when you try to sleep with these ultra Conservatives like O’Reilly….You end up getting pain the end of the day..and you begin to scream…!!
April 7th, 2007 at 8:58 amOmg ratings bump. Make it stop.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:29 amThe sick part? Oreally looks worse in the transcript.
It’s amazing how they all play the same exact clip, but they don’t play what happens a minute later. That’s the part that shows you it’s all a B.S. act again for ratings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HoUW8QAmnk&NR=1
What’s worse – a constant phony or a constant sucker?
April 7th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt’s amazing how they all play the same exact clip, but they don’t play what happens a minute later. That’s the part that shows you it’s all a B.S. act again for ratings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HoUW8QAmnk&NR=1
What’s worse – a constant phony or a constant sucker?
April 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amI just still don’t think it was staged. I think what you saw there was two highly paid guys who just realized they were acting like raving lunatics live on camera, and were trying to salvage their dignity, and their view base.
No matter how funny you or I thought that was, his fan base, you know, 70 year old grandma’s in Podunk Illinois, won’t think it was too funny. In fact, Oreilly looked so bad I am sure a lot of them turned the channel.
It may have been staged, but if it was, Oreilly deserves an emmy. Cause his faced turned redder than the blood on his hands.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:43 pmBill O’Reilly is a talented entertainer but – for his own sake – every once in a while he should leave the No-Spin-Zone and return to the gravity of Planet Earth.
April 8th, 2007 at 5:08 amA young women lost her life…cut him some slack. For those labeling him an “ultra” conservative, he’s not. He is pro choice and takes a liberal position on other issues such as global warming and gun control.
April 9th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThe bottom line is that the spinless liberal news outlets would never show anything as uncontrolled as the O’reilly/Rivera debate, staged or not. You liberals keep watching the coverage of American Idol. I want some real drama in the media from both sides as Fox has done.
April 9th, 2007 at 5:48 pmSince all of you seem to take much satisfaction in shading the facts, allow me to be “pithy” and clear……………You’re idiots.
….let the pointless retorts begin……
April 9th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI completely agree with Bill O’Reilly. It’s up to everyone to help enforce laws, especially laws that have potential negative impact on national security — namely illegal immigrants. Law enforcement agencies, at the federal and local levels, have a responsibility to enforce illegal immigration laws. Law enforcement cannot pick and choose which federal laws they want to enforce.
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