Four years later:
By on Apr 6th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Four years later:
“In an about-face by the U.S. government four years into the war in Iraq, America’s fallen troops are being brought back to their families aboard charter jets instead of ordinary commercial flights, and the caskets are being met by honor guards in white gloves instead of baggage handlers with forklifts.”
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What hasn’t changed is the lies those men died for. Bring our troops home NOW.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:30 pmDo it in daylight with cameras then we will talk. Until then I am not impressed
April 6th, 2007 at 10:34 pmBush Regime is just doing this for show, for a couple of months, then it will be back to shipping bodies as cheaply as possible back to the US.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:35 pm(Second and last post. A comment would be appreciated. CtR)
This is totally off thread but I would appreciate your response. I have applied to be a TP Fellow and they wanted a sample of my writing. Thanks for indulging my ego and your comments. The odds of it ever happening are far greater than my usual $20 to a glass of warm pee but it could be a start.
If such is the will of the Citizens of the United States the following is a proposed plan to initiate the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney and negate the positions of all Bush appointees. The plan is contingent upon only one thing: the desire of the majority of registered voters in this Country. Short of having an election across the Country this plan is based on the same concept as the Electoral College but without the possibility for corruption that has been demonstrated in the last two Presidential elections.
GIVEN:
1. For the purposes of elections this Country is divided into Precincts, by County (local terms may vary for either or both), and by State. The Precinct being the prime component of the collection and compilation of the votes.
2. The number of potential voters in each Precinct is calculated to give each individual the opportunity of “one man, one vote.†Since it is assumed that all eligible voters will register, the terms will be used synonymously regardless of actual practice.
3. The voters are registered with Party Preference.
4. The individual receiving the most popular votes in the appropriate election in each Precinct becomes the US Representative from that Precinct and State in the House of Representatives.
5. The individual receiving the most votes in the appropriate election from all the Precincts within a State becomes a Senator from that State.
6. The Representatives (one per Precinct) from each Precinct and Senators from each State (2) are morally, if not legally, required to reflect the desire of their constituents. Note: The term “Constituents†encompasses only the Registered Voters in the applicable district (Precinct or State) and DOES NOT include non-voting entities (PAC’s, Corporations, Special Interest Groups, lobbyists, and Briberies, etc.)
PROCESS:
1. The House and Senate appoint a bipartisan committee to determine, through the following process, the will of the Registered Voters of the United States of America concerning the answers to the four (4) questions (Only “Yes†or “No†responses accepted):
A. Should President George W. Bush be impeached and removed from office?
B. Should Vice President Richard Cheney be impeached and removed from office?
C. Should the political appointees of President Bush be submitted, or resubmitted as the case may be, to Congress for review and approval?
D. If the Representative or Senator from my Precinct or State does not vote as the majority indicates their preference, should said Representative or Senator be removed from office?
2 The Committee shall establish a staff competent and qualified to perform the following:
A. Obtain an accurate, up to date, list of Registered Voters of each Precinct in the Country (the list must conform to the list of Representatives.
B. Develop a Sample Size for each Precinct by Party Registration that will assure at least a 95% accuracy of representing the Precinct as a poll when polled.
C. Randomly select, by Party Registration, the registered Voters of each Precinct to be polled.
D. Prohibit any individual or entity from contacting any of the selected voters for the purpose of influencing their vote or attempting to determine their vote prior to the prescribed date.
E. Conduct the survey using methods that will guarantee, to the greatest possible degree, the accuracy of the survey. Collect and compile the data and review the results for any statistical abnormality. Correct abnormal results to assure an accurate survey.
F. Provide the responses to the above questions to the Committee.
3. The Committee shall provide the results of all Precincts to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to each Representative the results of her/his Precinct only. The Speaker of the House will determine if the survey indicates sufficient support to warrant the introduction of a Bill of Impeachment against the President and/or Vice President. If such a determination is made the Speaker of the House will immediately introduce such a Bill and call for a voice vote and before each Representative records her/his vote the Speaker will reveal the results of the poll.
4. Should the resulting vote be that the Bill of Impeachment fails the subject is dropped and returned to the voters. If the Bill of Impeachment passes it shall be sent to the Senate for the appropriate action.
5. At the time the Bill of Impeachment is passed to the Senate the Committee will provide the results of the survey (compiled by State) to the Majority Leader (Total) and each Senator (State results only). The Senate shall call for a vote on removal from Office and the Majority Leader shall read into the record the result of the survey for each State before the Senators from that State cast their vote.
6. The results of the voting will be acted upon accordingly. If appropriate, Congress shall act upon the results of Questions C and D in the applicable manner.
Constructive comments will be appreciated. Useless derogatory comments will be ignored.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:35 pmThey are still dead. Victims of BushChaney’s folly and criminal war. If the bastards had any respect for our men and women in uniform they would not be sent on this insane adventure to begin with….so, all the white gloves in the world are of no help to the dead
April 6th, 2007 at 10:36 pmLike you libs care about the troops. We do.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:37 pmnow if you’ll excuse me, I think I’ll have a good cry, for all those families whose loved ones were not so honored….and for all the senseless deaths caused by greed and lust for power.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:38 pmRepukes would be processing the fallen into dogfood if it wasn’t for this last election.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:39 pmIts about GD time that this change was made. I didn’t even know that this was happening. How typical of these bastards to treat our brave men and women in such a callous and disrespectful manner!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pmAfter making the ultimate sacrifice for their Country in a missbegotten war, to be treated in such a manner…..
But, what can you expect from these people? Having never served or thought about them as nothing more than cannon fodder to prop up their lies, this is about par for the course.
Who are the “we” who cares about the troops? Scooter Libby? Karl Rove? Sean Hannity? Sanjaya?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:43 pmOff topic, but a useful rebuttal:
Pelosi scarves a diplomatic accessory
April 6th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Firehead, you only about the Troops to the extent that they die for lies of the people you defend. Do us a favor Troll, STFU!!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:44 pm#6
I am not sure about the antecedents of your “we,” but it sure as hell does not include your AHinC. Just this week he addressed a group of our (antecedent: thinking Americans) troops and claimed their service was voluntary while sending 12,000 more troops UNVOLUNTARILY to Iraq. Note: He didn’t offer the “volunteers” a chance to change their minds. Who cares? The true American Citizen.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:46 pmComment by Clyde the Ripper
Clyde,
I sent a letter to the Center for American Progress in support of your application. Good luck!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:46 pmLike you libs care about the troops. We do.
Comment by firehead
Just keep lyin to yourself fairyhead, we already know you suffer from cranial rectumitis, otherwise you would know that has been exposed as nothing more than empty lip service.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:47 pmThanks, Zooey
And just to piss off the trolls, Granny and I love you.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:49 pm#15 CON
“…cranial rectumitis.”
Is that the same as a Rectal/Cranial Insertion?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:52 pmLike you libs care about the troops. We do.
Comment by firehead
Obviously. LOL!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:52 pmLike you libs care about the troops. We do.
Comment by firehead
Let me get this straight…
Wanting US soldiers to die, in a useless ill conceived war, designed like ALL wars, to make the country’s elite, even more rich and powerful… is “caring” for them.
Wanting them to come home to safety and their families… is NOT “caring” for them.
YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:56 pmAnd just to piss off the trolls, Granny and I love you.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
I love you both, Clyde. :-)
I mean it, but it helps that it pisses off the trolls.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:01 pmThe blood of 3267 of our military men and women is on the hands of George W. Bush, and his administration.
May every single one of them suffer and rot in the hell of their own making. No forgiveness….
April 6th, 2007 at 11:04 pm“…cranial rectumitis.â€
Is that the same as a Rectal/Cranial Insertion?
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Hmmm…sounds like it’s the same thing. haha Just throwing a little different lingo to it.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:13 pmall this thread needs is jake the phoney 75 year old veteran claiming that clinton never greeted bush’s dead soldiers either. did i mention that jake is a miserable liar who has no integerty?
April 6th, 2007 at 11:18 pmI recommend John Irving’s A Prayer for Owen Meany. And excellent book about sacrifice and love and the horror of war.
It’s insulting to say conservatives care more about the troops than liberals. Respect for the service and sacrifice of the armed forces requires we review the objectives and risks of every military operation. It is a poor commander who doesn’t understand when to advance, when to hold one’s ground, and when to retreat. Anyone who thinks that being the “good guys” means you can’t lose has been watching too many Hollywood movies.
Another thing one needs to remember, the role of the professional soldier is an honorable one. Wars do end and one will eventually become friends with the very men and women who once tried to kill you and whom you once tried to kill. It makes it harder to make peace if one falls for the propaganda that demonizes the enemy.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:28 pmWith all the egg on their faces these days:
April 6th, 2007 at 11:31 pmWalter Reed
Ill-equipped troops
Extended tours
Lack of rest between tours
Now they decide that they might consider showing a little respect for the dead soldiers when they return. Sure, it’s the right thing to do, but it is a small consolation to the families.
The best thing for them to do would be to end this illegal and unwarranted war/occupation. Bring the soldiers home alive and not in caskets.
Clyde the Ripper
April 6th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI have been reading your posts here for a long time and I highly recommend you for a position with TP.
Please inform us here if you are successful.
Good luck!
BnF, here’s a shoulder.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:41 pmAnd thank you for the voice of reason I see here day after day through the 2 years of my newfound political awareness.
I agree Marie, Clyde rocks!
April 6th, 2007 at 11:49 pmSorry folks, 2 Manhattans and I can’t type, I am a lurker tonight….
You have no idea how many edits it took to get the typo out of these few words!
Happy Easter, Passover, what have you.
Here’s a link to write nice letters for Clyde!
tpfellows@americanprogressaction.org
April 6th, 2007 at 11:57 pmBnF – How about I cry with you. I heard a saying once. “You are completely open, or you are completely closed. There is no in between.” Only with opening yourself up to the good, you get to feel the not so good too. But thanks for taking the chance and not closing off. :)
Also: David, I really liked your well thought and spoken post. Nice to see.
Clyde: Good luck to you!
April 7th, 2007 at 12:03 amCome on TP! That is 2 now with nothing that violates your rules. Post already! I can only post if I spew venom at the regulars like the trolls, is that it?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:08 amNever mind.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:08 amWhat is IMPORTANT is NOT how their remains are HANDLED, but how they can be KEPT FROM BEING KILLED by the CRIMINAL ACTIONS and POLICIES of Monkey Boy CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies!!!!! BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW BEFORE ANY MORE ARE KILLED FOR Bush’s FOLLY!!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 12:10 amthanks, Bluedahlia , SKdeA.
sometimes it is ok, even necessary, for grown men to cry.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:16 amBnF,
April 7th, 2007 at 12:22 amAbsolutely. I think showing a range of emotions takes someone strong and stable to express. Most men are not strong enough to overcome the stigma attached to crying and therefor play “tough” instead.
Never mind.
Comment by Bluedahlia
Don’t ya just hate that? Damn TP! :D
April 7th, 2007 at 12:23 amFirst of all! has everyone forgotten why we entered this war? if anyone is not honoring these men, who are definitely worth honoring, it is those who have forgotten why they died. Here we are blaming Bush, for sending us to this war, but how did you feel when so many of our countrymen died? it still breaks my heart to think about that day. Everyone of those people that killed our countrymen deserve to die. If we had not gone over there, we would have never gotten so many of them. and do people honestly think that if we just stood by and did nothing that it wouldnt happen again? of course it would! it would keep happening. its like punishing a child for something done wrong. if you dont correct it right at the incident they will continue to do it. and that is why we are over there. to prevent this from happening on our doorsteps again. we are not trying to gain power! we are trying to save the lives that would be lost if we hadnt. Every soldier that goes over there knows what they are fighting for. I have spoken to many. It is not as bad over there as everyone thinks, or so i am told, by those that have come back. and they are just angered by how the news and things portray it! I am angered! As for the caskets. Each one is honored when they come home. each one gets a ceremony and flag for remembrance. none are forgotten. It is their rights by the military Policy!
April 7th, 2007 at 12:24 amthe aircraft may be a C-17 but that doesnt mean the men on it are not honored for what they have given up for us. They are entitled to be honored.
Yeah, Zooey, it is pretty annoying.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:24 amHow the heck are you? Been reading some pretty good posts from you. Too rushed to post and stay very often, myself.
Bluedahlia,
Some men ACT secure with their masculinity, and some men ARE secure in their masculinity.
I prefer the latter, don’t you? :)
April 7th, 2007 at 12:25 amHow the heck are you? Been reading some pretty good posts from you. Too rushed to post and stay very often, myself.
Comment by Bluedahlia
Doing ok, keeping up with school. Wow. Lots of work! I don’t know how you do it, with four boys. I salute you!
April 7th, 2007 at 12:28 amZooey,
April 7th, 2007 at 12:29 amI like it so much, I married one that is! ;-)
That is after dating a bunch that weren’t, unfortunately. LOL
Karina,
You are right, our troops need to be honored, and I’m glad they finally are.
The rest of your comment is so totally f*cked up, I’ll leave it someone with a more even temper to respond. Go away.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:29 amWhat we are seeing now is really amazing; for the first time since Hitler, a leader who cannot face that he has lost his war. The little pecker-king chose this fight, how and where it would be fought, and HE LOST. Now he can’t pull out because he can’t face it. The little sh*t has done nothing but f*ck things up his entire life. Repukes, you’ve tied your wagons to the biggest loser in the history of the PLANET.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:32 amThe rest of your comment is so totally f*cked up, I’ll leave it someone with a more even temper to respond. Go away.
Comment by Zooey
Won’t be me. Our troops need to be honored and supported, something this administration only does thru lip service. But the rest of it sounds straight out of the Darth Cheney 2002-03 talking points. The ‘fight them over there so we don’t fight them over here’ card. Put down the Kool-Aid Karina.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:36 amI like it so much, I married one that is! ;-)
That is after dating a bunch that weren’t, unfortunately. LOL
Comment by Bluedahlia
I married — and divorced — the other guy. *sigh*
April 7th, 2007 at 12:36 amKarina,
I thought it was pretty lame myself. Read david’s, BnF’s, Marie’s, Zooey’s, etc posts and try not to burst a vein trying to comprehend.
But my eyelids are falling and there are many more late night TP champions to straighten your illogic out.
Goodnight guys, thanks for the discourse.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:36 amNeoCons- warmongering “intelletual” scum who don’t serve their country, rattle sabers and send others’ kids to die..
April 7th, 2007 at 12:39 amPS- hey Cletus the troll, whoever you are- I served- enlisted, officer, and also 20 years of federal service.
Zoey, are you even at all related to the military or been around the troops to even know what is going on? no i wont go away. its ridiculus how we all just blame Bush. what would you do if someone killed your family? wouldnt you want revenge?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:42 amwhat would you do if someone killed your family? wouldnt you want revenge?
Comment by Karina
Read very slowly and carefully…we should not be there in the first place!!IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!
April 7th, 2007 at 12:50 amThey are entitled to be honored.
Comment by Karina
Of course, and thats the principle of your government´s propaganda.
It is better to honored dead people than giving them better options in life so they dont end up in recruiting offices.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:52 amIm sorry i know i was wrong! im not up to date on the news then. im just trying to do my hw assignment. sorry to chew you guys out! i have learned a lesson…. can you forgive a poor student?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:54 amKarina, go to red state, that’s where you belong..
You have no idea what you are talking about…You can’t possibly know the pain of all our losses and those of our troop’s who’s lives have been lost or mangled for bush’s war….This is your war and bush war, plane and simple, while we grieve you romantasize….There is nothing romantic about killing 700,000 people by design or intent that had nothing to do with 9/11…Wake up you little twit troll and get back under the bridge….Be gone..
April 7th, 2007 at 12:54 am#48 I guess if someone killed my family, i should go drag the family next door out of their beds and kill them while the real killer drives away laughing.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:56 amI’ll try not to move in next to you….
April 7th, 2007 at 12:57 amIm sorry i know i was wrong! im not up to date on the news then. im just trying to do my hw assignment. sorry to chew you guys out! i have learned a lesson…. can you forgive a poor student?
Comment by Karina
No problem. I don’t know if that will do for some of the regulars on here but it’s cool with me. What’s your hw assignment by the way?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:58 amOne definition of liberal means empathy Firehead. These people are not protesting war because they don’t care, they protest because they do care. All I need to remind you of is Walter Reed and the lack of armour.
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Well written Clyde. I hope TP likes your writing style enough to make you a fellow. Good Luck.
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First of all! has everyone forgotten why we entered this war? -Karina
I would like to hear why you think we did first.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:58 amThey are entitled to be honored.
Comment by Karina — April 7, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Yes they do. But it was Bush who determined the American people couldn’t see these brave young soldiers returning home as they had always been shown before.
And it’s Bush who gives them substandard care when they return home injured. And doesn’t care when they lose their jobs and homes because he keeps extending their tours.
What was your stupid ass point you were trying to make?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:59 amZoey, are you even at all related to the military or been around the troops to even know what is going on? no i wont go away. its ridiculus how we all just blame Bush. what would you do if someone killed your family? wouldnt you want revenge?
Comment by Karina
I grew up in a military family. I saw my father go to the VietNam war, and I saw the black cars driving through my neighborhood, which meant some family was getting bad news that day. Luckily, it was never my family.
We blame Bush because he is to blame. He and his administration lied us into this travesty of a war, and 3267 of our troops are DEAD for no good reason.
Iraq never did a single thing to us — even your lord and master GWB admits that. Educate yourself.
Revenge? F*cking grow up, will you? Do you attend the “It all started when he hit me back” academy?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:00 ammy hw assighnment is to find a blog and comment it and get some feedback. and determine how it can be used as a research method. now i feel like a tital idiot though! and im going to find a diff blog. i thought this one was about the whole 9-11 thing. i dont watch the news really and i dont read it either. i just live on a military base and hear things from who i talk to and my father.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:02 amits ridiculus how we all just blame Bush. what would you do if someone killed your family? wouldnt you want revenge?
Comment by Karina — April 7, 2007 @ 12:42 am
What do you mean WE all blame Bush. It sounds like you’re his number one fan. Are you saying your family was killed on 9/11?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:02 amIm sorry i know i was wrong! im not up to date on the news then. im just trying to do my hw assignment. sorry to chew you guys out! i have learned a lesson…. can you forgive a poor student?
Comment by Karina
What the F*CK are you talking about?
Did you just throw that shit out to see if it would stick? What kind of sick f*ck are you? I’m a student, and I would never conduct research like that. What is wrong with you?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:02 amWhat bush has done to their’s and our’s is pure genocide…Entire generation’s of people have been killed in Iraq, men, women, children, grand parent’s, entire tribes of people…Famalies here have been ripped apart, nearly 3300 have now died and over 25,000 have been maimed…..I grieve…Hanging this entire administration would be to good for them, they all need to rot in a horrible jail for the rest of their miserable lives….Blessed are the Peace maker’s…..Blessings to us all, we need them.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:03 amKarina – Please buy world atlas, open to pages that show Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. Repeat after me: 911 perpetrators were Saudi nationals. Osama’s base was in Afghanistan.
Next, please turn to Iraq map. Repeat after me: Opps, attacked wrong country for oil. Now Iraqis mad as hell. Time to get out because Iraq is now Osama’s recruiting sergeant’s best ever wet dream.
British journalist, Jeremy Clarkson said in a controversial article that “Most Americans don’t have the brains to walk on their back legs.”
He was being provocative of course, but you’ll be surprised how many people from different parts of the world agree with him — mainly because of people like you.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:04 amZooey,
April 7th, 2007 at 1:08 amyoure a rude individual you know that? just because people disagree doesnt mean you have to be a jerk about it. i was just trying to think of an analogy. i thought that sort of thing is what people like to hear. “revenge” but no i dont beleive in revenge. i bel;eive in Karma. but i also beleive in standing up for what you beleive in. and killing people for mere pleasure is definitely not right and should be punished! gosh what are you like 60? why are you so grumpy!
Comment by Alfred (philippines) — April 7, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Well said Alfred. Thanks.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:09 amProbably just another way for Halliburton Airlines and Coffin Greeting Corp to get another no-bid contract.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:09 amKarina, OBL, OBL, OBL….
April 7th, 2007 at 1:10 amIf Britain bombed us, should we go after Canada because the skin color is basically the same? Even tho Cheney is still lying about this – IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11. Bush has stated that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that there are no WND’s in Iraq.
We have been bombing, raping, murdering, torturing and killing the hell out of those people for their oil. Really.
Comment by Karina — April 7, 2007 @ 1:02 am
FYI – a thread on dead soldiers and 4 years of war is probably not the place you want to mouth off on.
Maybe you should be more careful from now on.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:11 amKarina,
Go to AfterDowningStreet.org and read everything. There’s a whole list of document on the right side of the page. Start there.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:12 amGeez….was I too hard on that alleged student?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:14 amGo to AfterDowningStreet.org and read everything. There’s a whole list of document on the right side of the page. Start there.
Comment by Zooey
Do-over — the list on the LEFT side of the page. Oy.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:18 amyah u F*ck*N were. i already feel like an idiot ok!!! i was confused. you guys arent talkin about our troops coffin. your talkin about us hurting innocent people so i agree with u all. gosh! im sorry. but Zooey u r mean. you can stand up for yourself without putting someone else down negatively u kno. im only 15 and i kno that.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:20 amTo #37 Karina: “Everyone of those people that killed our countrymen deserve to die.” …..But I think they did when they crashed their planes into those buildings. And they did not come from Iraq. And Irak had nothing to do with the attack. ….. By what logic, then, can you justify the invasion, occupation and killing that this country has unleashed in Iraq? Bush and supporters of his madness, like you, have actually created far more enemies and recruited more jihadists, thus increasing the likelihood of an eventual attack back in the “homeland”. Yes, it will happen, thanks to our folly. And it will be well deserved.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:20 amNot hard enough Zooey, I talk to 15 year old’s all day every day with more common sence than this one….
BTW Katrina I’m the old lady not Zooey and it’s past your bed time, back under the bridge little troll….
April 7th, 2007 at 1:22 ammy hw assighnment is to find a blog and comment it and get some feedback. and determine how it can be used as a research method. -Karina
I mean this criticism in a good way. First you would need to research 9/11 by reading the 9/11 commission report (Kean commission) and you would see that there are no connections with 9/11 and Iraq but to Afghanistan and Saudi (Osama was Saudi)
To find out why we are in Iraq I suggest you google for and then read the UN/US resolutions for use of force in Iraq to enforce the resolutions about WMD (which have been shown to be false) this has never been declared a war, it is more of a police action.
I really don’t see Blogs themselves as a research tool other than the people that do post here can help guide you to information sources for research. If I were a student and I’m not, I would follow the links people post. (that being the method of using a blog as a research tool)
Good luck with your schoolwork Karina.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:22 amGeez….was I too hard on that alleged student?
Comment by Zooey
By japanese standards, you were a sweetheart. :)
April 7th, 2007 at 1:25 amSorry this is off topic but get a look at what your taxes are going to do in the USA here…
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1689:
Curb Illegal Downloading on College Campuses Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)
The MPAA & RIAA’s business is going to be paid for by all Americans. Imagine that those of us who are not in colledge and don’t do the download thing are going to PAY….
Jane STOP this crazy thing! I would hope that TP starts a thread for this!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:29 amKARINA
April 7th, 2007 at 1:30 amThanks to all of you for your comments.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:30 amyah u F*ck*N were. i already feel like an idiot ok!!! i was confused. you guys arent talkin about our troops coffin. your talkin about us hurting innocent people so i agree with u all. gosh! im sorry.
Karina, if you’re here to do research, shouldn’t you actually look at what you’re researching before jumping in with your uneducated claptrap? Where did you learn that crap? I urge you to hang around here for a week — you’ll learn something about compassion, passion, pain, grief, despair, and hope.
but Zooey u r mean. you can stand up for yourself without putting someone else down negatively u kno. im only 15 and i kno that.
Comment by Karina
Good, I’m glad you know something. Now learn more.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:34 amGeez….was I too hard on that alleged student?
Comment by Zooey
You were perfect. I’ve always been hard on my daughter about her spelling. She’s a great little writer but her spelling makes me nuts. But now that I’ve seen Karina I realize for a 12 year old she’s not doing so bad.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:34 amBy japanese standards, you were a sweetheart. :)
Comment by Juan C
Heh. Maybe I’m part Japanese. :D
April 7th, 2007 at 1:36 amIn reading over Karina’s first post I’m not sure I believe that 15 year old doing homework schtick she threw out there.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:38 amBut now that I’ve seen Karina I realize for a 12 year old she’s not doing so bad.
Comment by shane
Do they get that style of writing from texting? So dumb. Not your daughter — the style. Can you imagine the job resume` in the next 10 years?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:42 amShane,
It could be a 15 year old. They frickin’ know everything, right? My son could have written the same thing at that age — from the liberal perspective. It sounds like she’s just regurgitating the crap she hears around her, since she admits she doesn’t watch or read the news.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:45 amOh well, look at the bright side — Maybe I’ll show up in some school paper as the Evil Blog B*tch from ThinkProgress.
I’ve been called worse!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:54 amI was thinking she could be “new troll meat” but probably not.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:59 amLet’s keep an eye out for the name and style. You could be right.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:00 amI’m done in. Hope I see you sometime this weekend, Shane.
Goodnight!
April 7th, 2007 at 2:02 amZooey
April 7th, 2007 at 2:14 amIf that was a real post and a new poster, then how did Karina know to attack you the way he/she did? I am fairly new and I did not know for awhile you were one of the ‘overseers’ of this board. Apparently that troll knew who to go after.
#7, BNF
I cry for our families. We are the ones who feel this “war”.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:15 amI hope EVERY ghost still lingering after dying on a war based on LIES haunts bush, cheney, & the rest of the republiCON crime family.
Shame on them for doing this to our fine men and women in the military!
April 7th, 2007 at 2:25 amComment by Karina #37
…pray for a brain, a heart, and a soul…
…and hurry…
…Hell has your car waiting…
April 7th, 2007 at 2:34 amSo does this mean that the Chimp will be attending a military funeral soon? Gotta get those photo-ops where you can, I guess. Damn them all!
April 7th, 2007 at 2:44 amComment by old hippie woman #93
Why a lead radioactive resistant box hasn’t been placed around these criminal Bushite TRAITORS…
…is beyond me…
…but they are certainly AS hazardous as a radiation leak…
April 7th, 2007 at 2:55 amyou can stand up for yourself without putting someone else down negatively u kno. im only 15 and i kno that.
Comment by Karina — April 7, 2007 @ 1:20 am
KARINA
Comment by troll alert — April 7, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Ha, ha, ha … you’ve really got them going tonight. Great theater.
Now, where did I see you do this sort of thing before?
Oh yeah; I remember:
rachel? RACHEL!!
Comment by troll alert
Have fun, R.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:02 amthe global elite needs to get richer they are Bush’s clients after all the so called HAVE MORES just can’t get enough no money left for soldiers returning and proper ceremonies no no the rich must get richer at all costs screw the veterans screw healthcare that’s why Bush is President thay are having a blast with Bush as President America and it’s democracy is stretched so thin it’s about to snap! who would have guessed! just like democracy the army is stretched thin as well! this huge bubble of greed is about to burst sending young men to die so that the rich can get richer and the war profiteers need and endless war making a career of killing innocent people mothers children families
April 7th, 2007 at 4:39 amIMPEACH!
April 7th, 2007 at 8:28 amI wish that just once the NBC reporter assigned to the White House (something Gregory) would ask the Chimp why it is that the people who have died for his lies have to be brought into Dover AFB Delaware under cover of darkness and with no cameras nearby. Just ask the Chimp straight out “what do you think you are hiding?” We all know those are dead soldiers”
If Bush had an ounce of compassion in his compassionately conservative body it would bother the hell out of him to be confronted with that reality. But, he continues to live in his little bubble world and most of the conservative-biased media continues to toss softball questions at him.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:36 amIt would be interesting to know more about the company who “won” the $11 million contract – I’m sure the government wouldn’t have changed the process unless a Bush supporter could profit from it.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:47 amInteresting.
Visit: http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org
April 7th, 2007 at 9:09 amWho is the largest government contractor most people Never Heard of.???? S.A.I.C.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:15 amI recommend Barlett and Steele’s article in the March Vanity Fair. It’s on line. If you are wondering how we ever got into this disaster in Iraq, find out about SAIC. See how our Tax dollar$ are being spent.
This Government Has No Shame.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:03 amI am embarrassed to be an American.
units are more designed to be breaks:
Other members of the Joint Chiefs have raised such concerns, including Gen. James T. Conway, commandant of the Marine Corps. Conway said he was concerned that Marines were increasingly unprepared for rapid landings and attacks common in the early days of a crisis, which has been their primary mission in the past.
Gates said war planners had attempted to accelerate the deployments. But the military’s inability to move equipment to the region more quickly and the need to keep units on a regular training routine forced a slower schedule, he said.
“One of the principal reasons that it was not possible to accelerate it was that we want to make sure that every single one of those brigades is adequately trained before they actually enter Iraq,” he said.
latimes:Troop ’surge’ duration unclear, Gates says
April 7th, 2007 at 10:12 am[...] beings continue to be sacrificed on the altar of a dual military [...]
April 7th, 2007 at 10:12 amThe Founding Fathers placed the military under civilian control because they feared tyrants with standing armies. The President, a civilian, was made Commander-in-Chief but they also gave Congress the deciding power to declare war. For all Bush’s blather about not wanting politicians telling generals what to do, that’s precisely what the Founding Fathers wanted. Bush is a politician and his job is to tell the generals what to do. And it so happens it is also Pelosi’s job.
The civilian authority has a duty to honor the ultimate sacrifice of its fallen soldiers. It’s the politicians who have placed them in harm’s way and they have dutifully obeyed. We honor them when they return in flag drapped coffins. We also honor them when we hold their civilian commanders accountable by demanding to know that the war was just, its objective clear, and the risk of failure minimal. Up until now we haven’t been honoring the troops in any way. We are now doing the former; it’s time we did the latter.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:48 amZooey
If that was a real post and a new poster, then how did Karina know to attack you the way he/she did? I am fairly new and I did not know for awhile you were one of the ‘overseers’ of this board. Apparently that troll knew who to go after.
Comment by goehl
Overseer? Oh, yikes. :)
Goehl, I keep going back and forth on Karina. She had the absolute confidence of a 15 year old, but she did zero in on me. But then, I was pretty mean. I wasn’t in the mood for that crap on this kind of thread. We’ll see!
Welcome, goehl! I always enjoy reading your comments.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amGood Morning Lady Z, ..Was suposto be sunny here but so far grey and sprinkles….No one noticed I called Karina, Katrina cause she blew in like a little hurricane…..Guess my poor spelling most of the time make’s every one think it was just a mistake….So much for being suttle..I realy am as suttle as a train wreck most of the time..LOL…
Great post david #104…..
Healing thought’s to RUCerious and all…Blessings
April 7th, 2007 at 11:23 amAnd how are the wounded being met when they return?
April 7th, 2007 at 11:31 amSharon,
Good morning. We got your wonderful weather, and I hope we miss your gray skies. :)
I noticed you called her Katrina, but I was feeling too pissed off to say anything. Sorry!
We need more train wrecks like you (and me) in this world today.
Healing thoughts continuing to go to RUC.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amSharon
I saw it too but thought I had made the mistake. You have to hit me over the head before I get subtle humor.
I think that’s why I understand trolls better than our intelligent, thoughtful posters. Nothing, subtle, humorous or intelligent about them.
By the by, here in Illinois it’s been 32 degrees and mostly cloudy for days and its supposed to last about another week. My magnolia tree is losing blossoms before they ever opened up.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:52 amBummer.
Please, please, please let us keep our war. We’ll treat it better and try harder to do a good war just like it’s supposed to be. We didn’t know we weren’t doing war right. Please let us have our war and we promise we won’t screw it up ever again.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:09 pmBack at ya Zooey and Shane, Sorry to hear about the Magnolia trees…We have lot’s of them here and they are all in bloom…
I thought I had seen it all and helped to clean it all up in our little neighborhood but I was wrong….The most appaling sight happened just a few minutes ago……A car turned around in our little one lane drive and then went out and parked on the other side of the garage….No one went out to the dock or out to the bait shop so I decided to check it out….In broad day light, with fishermen, children resident’s just a few feet away a couple of crack head’s were doing their thing….I walked up to the car and screamed at the top of my lung’s ” get the f*** out of here, this is a private resort you son’s a b****es.”..Well needless to say, something didn’t get done..(bj)…LOL..wish I would of been packing, their tire’s would of been blown out…..Should of called the cop’s, but their slow and I’m not…..Not against car sex but time and placement should be in order….LOL..Just had to vent and pass on this Saturday event…Blessings all and see playing nicely is not an option when we are surrounded with disgusting behavior from our representatives and many in the public….
April 7th, 2007 at 12:14 pmYou go, Sharon!!
I bet those crack heads moved faster than they have in a long time! Maybe they’ll spread the word to all their crack head friends not to mess around at your resort.
Nice one…
April 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWe can only hope Zooey,….Trouble is now I have a mad on and all the neighbor’s are on parking lot duty with me….LOL…Sometimes I am like a pit bull and today is it…The troll’s better watch out and stay clear, if I read their junk will realy flip crap their way..LOL….Blessings
April 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pmComment by Sharon — April 7, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
You and Zooey definitely need to walk around with video cameras.
Sorry but now I’m hoping a troll shows up before I have to leave for a 8 year old’s birthday party.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pmSorry but now I’m hoping a troll shows up before I have to leave for a 8 year old’s birthday party.
Comment by shane
Oy. We’ll have the extra-strength tylenol ready when you get back. :)
April 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmComment by Karina — April 7, 2007 @ 1:20 am
I’m late to the discourse, but I’d like to point out something. Karina came on with a well-written litany of talking points about fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here.
Then, when ripped for it, developed a persona of a 15 year-old high school student, complete with im spellings, so that some would back off and apologize.
We’ve seen that tactic before, folks. Troll-alert got it right.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:31 pmBy exposing the reality of death, more Americans, especially those in red states, will realize the utter futility of Bush’s Blunder in Iraq. I remember a few months ago when one of the local newspapers covered the wake, funeral, and burial of hometown hero who was killed in Iraq. The anguish of his family was enough to break the most callous of hearts. Yet, this family wanted other Americans to see their agony for themselves. When I looked at the picture of that young man, lying there in his dress uniform in the open casket, I knew that I had to do my part to end this misguided debacle. He was so young, a mere boy, but because of Jeb Bush, Kathleen Harris, and 5 Stupid Supremes, a Boy-King took us into Iraq on a fool’s errand. I can still see the cold stillness of his face, I can still feel the miery of his family, and I can still recognize that no lives should be lost for no genuine purpose. I wish there was some way to compel Bush & Cheney to attend every funeral, to witness every burial, to hear the endless playing of “Taps.” Then they’d know firsthand the neverending pain of a thousand Cindy Sheehans.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:36 pmGreat post’s GaPeach and all, I agree, but I would prefer to see this intire administration in jail forever for their war crimes and crimes against humanety….Blessings
April 7th, 2007 at 2:39 pmmy dog twitched and whine in sleep all night last night and then woke up speaking English. he said he had been dreaming like a maniac.
“I’ve been dreaming like a maniac,” he said. “I dreamed I was eating dead American soldiers. It was my job to eat them as soon as they died so that nothing bad could happen to their bodies. They came so fast I had to run the whole time to catch up and the more I ate the bigger I got. And I kept getting bigger and bigger until I was as big as THREE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY SEVEN SOULS and filled up the known universe until I exploded from all the souls of the soldiers and fell on the sky in pieces that became red and blue and white stars falling across the sky. And then I took a shit and the shit rolled over and stood up and said, ‘Hello, ahm Dubya ‘n ah cud yoose a gud dawg lak you.’ And then a fat, cow faced man shot me with birdshot and I woke up. What does that mean?”
I said, “Are you sure that was Dubya and not just a regular piece of shit?”
But my dog just whined and jumped up on my knees so I took him outside and he shat a pile of white gloves and a whole fleet of chartered airplanes.
I think I better take him to the damn vet.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:46 pm…Troll Alert got it right.
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire — April 7, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Thanks Bris.,and a Warm Sporran to you.
P.S. Disregard Barfly,he’s usually drunk at that time of night.
April 8th, 2007 at 2:01 amThey’re still DEAD – for no reason.
April 8th, 2007 at 4:33 pm