Hatch ‘Corrects’ Lam Error By Disparaging Another U.S. Attorney — Will Russert Repeat It?
Hatch ‘Corrects’ Lam Error By Disparaging Another U.S. Attorney — Will Russert Repeat It?
Last week on Meet the Press, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) tried to disparage the record of U.S. Attorney Carol Lam:
HATCH: She was a former law professor, no prosecutorial experience, and the former campaign manager in Southern California for Clinton, and they’re trying to say that this administration appoints people politically? Of course they do. That’s what these positions are.
In fact, as Rachel Maddow found, Lam had more than 14 years experience as a prosecutor, and was neither a law professor nor a former campaign manager.
In response, Hatch sent a letter to Meet the Press host Tim Russert asking him to correct the record. Hatch said that his attack was meant not for Lam but her predecessor, Clinton-appointed U.S. Attorney Alan Bersin.
I would appreciate your help in correcting a mistake I made on your show last Sunday, April 1, 2007.
My comments about Carol Lam’s record as a U.S. Attorney were accurate, but I misspoke when making the point of discussing politically connected U.S. Attorneys. I accidentally used her name, instead of her predecessor, Alan Bersin, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton.
Hatch’s “point” is that Bersin was an unqualified, “politically connected” appointee. In fact, Bersin was arguably well-qualified for the position:
– Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University
– Served as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University
– Received his J.D. degree from Yale Law School
– Served as a senior partner for 17 years at the Los Angeles law firm Munger, Tolles & Olson, where he “specialized in complex RICO, securities, commercial and insurance litigation before state and federal trial and appellate courts”
– Special Counsel to the Los Angeles Police Commission
After stepping down as U.S. Attorney, Bersin served as Superintendent of Public Education in San Diego City Schools, the nation’s eighth largest urban school district, and was named California’s Secretary of Education in 2005.
Now, the question is: this Sunday, will Tim Russert simply read Hatch’s statement disparaging Bersin’s qualifications? Or will he state the full facts about Bersin’s record? You can email Meet the Press HERE to encourage them.
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April 6th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIf he was talking about Alan Bersin, why did he begin his sentence with “She’s…”?
The guy is just a weasel.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:53 pmOrrin Hatch not only can’t sing a lick, he’s an awful dancer too.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pmI can’t wait for Sunday!
HE IS RISEN!
April 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pmWhy don’t these republiscums check their facts before they open their big windbag mouths?!
April 6th, 2007 at 6:58 pmHatch is a hack, pure and simple.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:59 pmYou would think a Christian (Mormon) would speak the TRUTH instead of lies. But he accepts campaign contributions from the alcohol, tobacco and gambling industries, each one considered a sin in the LDS Church, so…..
I can’t wait for those chocolate eggs!
GREAT ZOMBY JESUS!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pmWhorin’ Orrin… what else is new from the hypocrysinator?
April 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIT’S CALLED SNAKEOIL, IT’S CALLED TOTALLY CORRUPTED
FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL SERVICES WE ALL DESPERATELY NEED
(sorry about the caps)………
we get 1/2 and you get 1/2
all the wonderful services we all desperately need
(can’t friggin get them)
it’s called we rule the lower class
it’s called oh just a minor ethical issue
corrupt
department of justice
corrupt
white house
corrupt
lawbreakers, i mean lawmakers
corrupt
shelter = sub prime lending mortgage
corrupt
but first riggin the laws regarding the mortgages
corrupt
healthcare… reform .. right, rockefeller rigged the laws 100 years ago
corrupt
epa, doj, doe, all of it… it’s all friggin rigged
corrupt
you get half and we get half
corrupt
can’t get the friggin service, (go ahead/try see what happens)
corrupt
can’t get friggin service
corrupt
doesn’t matter
corrupt
it’s… it’s julie know wanda know john knows……
corrupt
it’s called THE TRUTH and swindlers will use their ‘experts” sociology,
psychology and anything else to twist the hell out of the truth
corrupt
truth doesn’t even matter anymore
corrupt
it’s called dracula and holding open the votes and lots of checks/favors
changing hands
corrupt
it’s called riggin the system, it’s called a revolving door
corrupt
it’s called scratching each others back… trusty phone a political
contribution IT’S CALLED RIGGIN THE SYSTEM
now…….. Jimbo dude has spoken the truth :)
truth:
Jimbo dude should be the president of the united states
truth:
ain’t a swindler, ain’t a parasite/leech, ain’t smooth and slick and ain’t
a liar (ethics)
truth:
Jimbo dude is TRUTH… rock solid integrity, truth, honesty, hardworking,
full of integrity
CORRUPT:
all of the things that have been perversed from a good chunk of the
so called highest levels of administration, particularly servants i mean
rulers…. parasites, leeches, maggots, swindlers, ticks, and scum
ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERYONE
p
April 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pm*
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If he was talking about Alan Bersin, why did he begin his sentence with “She’s…�
The guy is just a weasel.
Comment by Bluedog49
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Bluedog is a smart blogger. I read the passage a couple different times, on a couple different blogs and never noticed that he/she thing. I wonder if MSM will notice it also.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:07 pmOral Snatch is a C*CK SUCKING LIAR!!! (I miss that show on AAR!)
He has always been a lyin’ piece of sh!t! It seems impossible for this man to suck more Repugniscum a$$, but he always does. Just like Joe(suck) LIEberman, he’ll say anything to keep his power and money!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 7:09 pmMr. Hatch, what does the Bible say about bearing false witness?
-GSD
April 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pmHold on, Hatch didn’t claim he was talking about Berslin. He claimed he thought those facts, which actually applied to Berslin, applied to Lam.
We’ve got Hatch dead to rights on the important question here – he tried to offer and defense of firing Lam, and he’s got nothing. There’s nothing to be gained by turning this into an issue of whether Hatch is stupid or evil. That just lets the Republicans off the hook on the important question: Why were these firings carried out.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI wrote to MTP.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:21 pmI will be watching Timmy Russert, the White House waterboy, to see how he handles this.
Senator Morron Hatch. Where does the GOP find so many dim-witted liars? I’d be embarrassed to admit I even lived in a state represented by such a doofus.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:24 pmYou also forgot to note what else he said today. “Democrats sincerely believe the people who aren’t liberal are stupid”
Realize he has said plenty of stupid things in the past, but no one (nationally) paid attention to him when he was up for re-election last year with a great, net-savvy candidate named Pete Ashdown. Hindsight’s 20/20 I guess.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThis man is SUCH a moron….
EVEN from Utah aren’t you suppose to have an IQ higher than “W”’s ???
April 6th, 2007 at 7:30 pmSounds like Little Orrin Hatched a Who?
Have any Republicans ever told the truth in the last six years, two months since the fascist corporate Bush/GOp coup staged in November, 2000?
April 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pmThanks, Tom! Have a great weekend.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:36 pmMaybe Hatch can say it’s just old age. I love to watch Republicans lie then lie to get out of the lie. As for Bersin well it is very impressive so I guess what Hatch is really saying is the Bush Administration doesn’t want qualified lawyers. This stupid comment only leads to Mr. Hatch’s record of how to be an idiot on TV. What else will Hatch do to save Gonzo and why does the GOP always bring up Clinton. It’s been 6 years and counting while all these guys do to lie their way out of trouble is use Bill Clinton’s name. Are they that jealous of President Clinton’s record.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:37 pmOMG, the guy he meant to slam sounds like he is more qualified to be the Attorney General than Gonzo is. The only qualification Gonzo had was that he is Bush’s poodle.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:38 pmHold on, Hatch didn’t claim he was talking about Berslin. He claimed he thought those facts, which actually applied to Berslin, applied to Lam.
We’ve got Hatch dead to rights on the important question here – he tried to offer and defense of firing Lam, and he’s got nothing. There’s nothing to be gained by turning this into an issue of whether Hatch is stupid or evil. That just lets the Republicans off the hook on the important question: Why were these firings carried out.
Comment by joe — April 6, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
If progressives do not challenge the liars at every turn, then their lies, even the seeminlly innocuous ones, become the truth.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:39 pmAnother mormon who doesn’t know his own religion.
In mormon doctrine, Jesus taught that the greatest sin of all, is to bear false witness against someone.
Hatch said she had NO prosecutoral experience, when in fact she has FOURTEEN YEARS OF IT.
I’d sue him for slander if I were her.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThanks, Tom! Have a great weekend.
Comment by Bluedog49
You do the same, sir…
April 6th, 2007 at 7:40 pmAlright, Sen. Hatch, you got a name wrong. No worries, Clinton-appointed Bersin got removed for failing to pleasure the president. We understand.
But, uh, what about Carol Lam who you weren’t talking about because she replaced the Clinton-appointed Bersin (who failed to pleasure the president)? Are you saying that she was let go for arbitrary political nepotistic reasons?
Thanks for the clarification.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:42 pmBersin should SUE THE PH*CK OUT OF ORAL SNATCH!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 7:44 pmTwo fer one Hatch….Sneaky bastard. He’s planted the seed in people’s minds about Lam, now time for the next one. It’s all about getting it out there…and then after the fact a “retraction.” Everyone, including Hatch, knows that the bigger bang for the buck is the lie…the retraction gets far less traction.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:47 pmdixie, my thoughts exactly. That lying weasel needs to be stopped.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:50 pm“What I said about Carol Lam was true, but it was about another person.”
Sorry that sounds to me like he isn’t taking himself off the hook.
Carol Lam needs to sue him too.
Remember, Meet the Press is the show Cheney picked because he felt it was easier to “control the message” on that show. Russert is a complete tool. Jack Welch knew exactly what he was getting for that $5 mil a year contract.
April 6th, 2007 at 7:51 pmNico – Of course Alan Bersin was well qualified – he is a Democrat. sarc off
April 6th, 2007 at 7:53 pmSomething’s wrong with these people.They are sorta disoriented, lost.The times are changin’ and they cannot keep the pace with such number of scandals per week.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pmRachel Maddow misses nothing – very sharp ….
April 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWill Russert Repeat It?
Russert is going to do what ever it takes to walk lock step with the republicans and at the same time appear neutral with a high sense of integrity to the dumb F’s watching the tele prompt.
For the latest news, email archives, hearings, legal filings and other essential documents on the Bush DOJ prosecutor firings, see:
April 6th, 2007 at 8:15 pm“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents.”
orrin is going down the booby hatch…
April 6th, 2007 at 8:22 pmIf it’s one thing the Republicans are good at, it’s giving prosecutors lots of experience.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:23 pmThis is totally off thread but I would appreciate your response. I have applied to be a TP Fellow and they wanted a sample of my writing. Thanks for indulging my ego and your comments. The odds of it ever happening are far greater than my usual $20 to a glass of warm pee but it could be a start.
If such is the will of the Citizens of the United States the following is a proposed plan to initiate the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney and negate the positions of all Bush appointees. The plan is contingent upon only one thing: the desire of the majority of registered voters in this Country. Short of having an election across the Country this plan is based on the same concept as the Electoral College but without the possibility for corruption that has been demonstrated in the last two Presidential elections.
GIVEN:
1. For the purposes of elections this Country is divided into Precincts, by County (local terms may vary for either or both), and by State. The Precinct being the prime component of the collection and compilation of the votes.
2. The number of potential voters in each Precinct is calculated to give each individual the opportunity of “one man, one vote.†Since it is assumed that all eligible voters will register, the terms will be used synonymously regardless of actual practice.
3. The voters are registered with Party Preference.
4. The individual receiving the most popular votes in the appropriate election in each Precinct becomes the US Representative from that Precinct and State in the House of Representatives.
5. The individual receiving the most votes in the appropriate election from all the Precincts within a State becomes a Senator from that State.
6. The Representatives (one per Precinct) from each Precinct and Senators from each State (2) are morally, if not legally, required to reflect the desire of their constituents. Note: The term “Constituents†encompasses only the Registered Voters in the applicable district (Precinct or State) and DOES NOT include non-voting entities (PAC’s, Corporations, Special Interest Groups, lobbyists, and Briberies, etc.)
PROCESS:
1. The House and Senate appoint a bipartisan committee to determine, through the following process, the will of the Registered Voters of the United States of America concerning the answers to the four (4) questions (Only “Yes†or “No†responses accepted):
A. Should President George W. Bush be impeached and removed from office?
B. Should Vice President Richard Cheney be impeached and removed from office?
C. Should the political appointees of President Bush be submitted, or resubmitted as the case may be, to Congress for review and approval?
D. If the Representative or Senator from my Precinct or State does not vote as the majority indicates their preference, should said Representative or Senator be removed from office?
2 The Committee shall establish a staff competent and qualified to perform the following:
A. Obtain an accurate, up to date, list of Registered Voters of each Precinct in the Country (the list must conform to the list of Representatives.
B. Develop a Sample Size for each Precinct by Party Registration that will assure at least a 95% accuracy of representing the Precinct as a poll when polled.
C. Randomly select, by Party Registration, the registered Voters of each Precinct to be polled.
D. Prohibit any individual or entity from contacting any of the selected voters for the purpose of influencing their vote or attempting to determine their vote prior to the prescribed date.
E. Conduct the survey using methods that will guarantee, to the greatest possible degree, the accuracy of the survey. Collect and compile the data and review the results for any statistical abnormality. Correct abnormal results to assure an accurate survey.
F. Provide the responses to the above questions to the Committee.
3. The Committee shall provide the results of all Precincts to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to each Representative the results of her/his Precinct only. The Speaker of the House will determine if the survey indicates sufficient support to warrant the introduction of a Bill of Impeachment against the President and/or Vice President. If such a determination is made the Speaker of the House will immediately introduce such a Bill and call for a voice vote and before each Representative records her/his vote the Speaker will reveal the results of the poll.
4. Should the resulting vote be that the Bill of Impeachment fails the subject is dropped and returned to the voters. If the Bill of Impeachment passes it shall be sent to the Senate for the appropriate action.
5. At the time the Bill of Impeachment is passed to the Senate the Committee will provide the results of the survey (compiled by State) to the Majority Leader (Total) and each Senator (State results only). The Senate shall call for a vote on removal from Office and the Majority Leader shall read into the record the result of the survey for each State before the Senators from that State cast their vote.
6. The results of the voting will be acted upon accordingly. If appropriate, Congress shall act upon the results of Questions C and D in the applicable manner.
Constructive comments will be appreciated. Useless derogatory comments will be ignored.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:45 pmmtp@nbc.com
Send Timmy your best. Tell him to do his job. Be firm. Be polite.
Hatchetman lied. Timmy didn’t do his research before the interview.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pmSo Orrin lies as he’s trying to “clear up” his lies.
What would his Bishop say?
Oy, what am I thinking…?
April 6th, 2007 at 8:54 pmOf course punkhead will repeat it. He’s there go to guy.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:57 pmSome say they are changing the name of the show from Meet the Press to Press the Meat.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:59 pmLet’s grant the Senator’s claim that he meant to be talking about Carol Lam’s predecessor in the US Attorney position in San Diego, and not about Ms. Lam herself.
Has anyone tried to explain how the point that Hatch MEANT to make has anything to do with the current situation?
April 6th, 2007 at 9:03 pmOrrin is just another shining (or stinking) example of how these republicans are simply out of touch with reality. They simply are either that dumb or just don’t care. Maintaining the status quo is their top priority. He probably looked up the name of the Clinton appointee and simply made up the rest. He didn’t have a clue that Bersin was as qualified as anyone in this country to be a US attorney. And we allow tools like this to represent us in Washington!
Let’s see Sunday if Tim Russert finally grows a pair and calls Orrin out on his idiocy, lunacy, falacy and any other delusions he may be hiding behind.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pm#36 – Clyde
**standing ovation!!**
I hope you get the position. You’d be the greatest fellow — ever. :-)
April 6th, 2007 at 9:12 pmIf Timmeh calls Hatch on his crap, I’ll faint dead away.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:13 pmHatch is a flesh-eating bacteria on the body politics.
Time to get this infection off the Senate!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:16 pmSo Orrin lies as he’s trying to “clear up†his lies.
What would his Bishop say?
Comment by Zooey — April 6, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Technically, he’s supposed to take away his temple recommend.
There are several specific requirments for holding a temple recommend, and I won’t go into all of them here. But one of the KEY ones, is that the bearer be “honest in his dealings with all men”.
It does not sound to me like Mr Hatch is meeting that requirement.
Mr Hatch?
REPENT.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:18 pmDitto to #44. And to think that last week Tim suggested that maybe Orrin “Liar, Liar Pants on Fire” Hatch might become AG when Gonzo is gone.
Tim’s got some explainin’ to do on Sunday morning.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:23 pmHey, I WORHFEUS, You know shit from shinoal, when it comes to what the LDS Church believes. Stop pretending like you do. Hatch has done nothing to warrant the calling of his Temple Rec. You are far from the person who calls that shot.
Have to pretend to know what you’re talking about, so you can be a “big boy”, huh? Figures
April 6th, 2007 at 9:27 pmso sayeth worfeus
April 6th, 2007 at 9:27 pm#43 Zooey
A word to tpfellows@americanprogressaction.org wouldn’t hurt.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:31 pmThanks so much for the email link to Meet the Press. Best offer I’ve had all day. And Timmy has just gotten a piece of my mind. Bet he won’t even mention the whole thing.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:34 pmMr Hatch?
REPENT.
Comment by I WORFEUS
Yeah…..right.
Thanks, Worfeus, for your knowledge on this subject.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:34 pmTimmeh will just be his usual Republican tushie kissing self.
Perhaps this time he will invite a liberal on. No, I am cracking myself up with that one.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:36 pmMr. Evil about your comment: republicans are simply out of touch with reality.
After attending a family reunion last week, all of which were republican, I am convinced these people DO fully understand what is going on, but do not want to ruin their ‘beautiful minds’ talking about it or being bothered by it. THEY DO NOT CARE. They are quite content to live in their gated communities, being isolated from those who are not like them, know how to say liberal with a sneer and truly appear to think they are a higher quality of human life than the rest.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThese people are beyond help or change.
Hey, I WORHFEUS, You know shit from shinoal, when it comes to what the LDS Church believes.
Comment by Spacy — April 6, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
.
What’s shinoal?
Here. Let me help you with that sentence.
“Worfeus. You DON’T know shit from shinola when it comes to what the LDS Church believes”
In the future you might want to email me your insults before you post them.
You’ll still look stupid, but at least the insult will make sense.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:38 pmHatch has done nothing to warrant the calling of his Temple Rec.
Comment by Stinky — April 6, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
Yes, he has.
He just got caught being dishonest, and accusing a professional of not having any experience when she actually has 14 years.
If he does not issue a public formal apology, his temple recommend should be pulled. Period.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:41 pmMeet the Truth!
Orrin Hatch’s blatant smear on US Attorney Carol Lam is basically what Hatch used to save himself from total embarrassment on Tim Russert’s Meet the Press last week.
See http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/06/hatch-correction-mtp/
Hatch was going down hard. Russert letting Hatch get away with this just sends a message to other Republicans – when your lifeboat is sinking on this show throw the truth overboard.
Suggest everyone email Russert to ask for a correction and some accountability. It’s quite simple. And you might cut and paste this message or some version of it:
I saw MTP last week. Hatch’s smear on Lam is basically what he used to save himself. He was going down hard. Russert letting Hatch get away with this just sends a message to other Republicans – when your lifeboat is sinking on this show throw the truth overboard.
Suggest Russert issue correction about the lies on his show and hold his guests to some accountability to the truth when they are talking to him. Here are all the details about Hatch’s lies which need to be corrected: \http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/06/hatch-correction-mtp/
April 6th, 2007 at 10:01 pmHatch is nothing more than a “human sphincter muscle”! He makes a jackass of himself when he speaks in public – what a stiff jerk!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:14 pmThe press must force Hatch to take off his suit on TV and show the entire nation the rediculous one-piece undergarment that old Mormon men wear.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:17 pmI sent a letter, but it probably won’t do any good:
Hi Mr. Russert,
I read that you recently received a letter from Orrin Hatch requesting that you correct his mistatements about former U.S. Attorney Carol Lam’s prosecutorial experience when he was on your show on April 1st (he had said that she had no prosecutorial experience and had only served as a law professor and campaign manager prior to being appointed as a U.S. Attorney). In his letter, however, Senator Hatch made yet another “mistake,” when he noted that his Lam remarks were actually meant for former U.S. Attorney Alan Bersin. I am hoping you will keep the record straight and make certain that Senator Hatch’s remarks do not malign Alan Bersin’s experience, accomplishments, or career. Alan Bersin was actually well-qualified for his position, in my opinion. Here is a more accurate representation of is career:
– Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University
– Served as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University
– Received his J.D. degree from Yale Law School
– Served as a senior partner for 17 years at the Los Angeles law firm
Munger, Tolles & Olson, where he “specialized in
complex RICO, securities, commercial and insurance litigation
before state and federal trial and appellate courtsâ€
– Special Counsel to the Los Angeles Police Commission
I am hoping that you will present the truth and not allow Senator Hatch’s misrepresentations to appear as such on your show. Obviously, Senator Hatch is not backing up his remarks with factual information, either because of ignorance or in an effort to mislead people and conceal the truth. Either way, I must say that April 1st was a very appropriate day to broadcast your interview of him.
Thank you for your time.
-S. Lehman
April 6th, 2007 at 10:27 pmHis freakin’ name should be Hatchet.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:28 pmHatch is out there showing his loyalty, participating in the smear game, because he wants to be AG. He has always been a prick, though, so I’m not the least bit surprised to see him playing with the piggies. He’s jumped in the mud many times in his career. He would be a perfect fit in this administration, to fill Gonzo’s shoes. I chuckled to myself when I heard he was going for the job. He’ll fit right in…
You know damned well that exposing his lies won’t keep him from getting the job, though. Lying for or on behalf of the administration is a show of loyalty in their game.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:37 pmletter sent and if enough of us do this and get this around on talk shows, it will make a difference.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:39 pm#49 – Clyde
My letter has been sent! Good luck!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:43 pmJust sent this off to Russert- you definitely need to have more actionable headlines TP, that email link is great. I am sure more of us would rather do something that is productive, than waste time combating the mehlman/rove operatives/trolls that have inhabited the site for the past few months (patrick, jake, etc..)
April 6th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
Hey, I WORHFEUS, You know shit from shinoal, when it comes to what the LDS Church believes.
Comment by Spacy
I guess you missed my debate with Worf the other day on the LDS church. He knows it pretty well.
Are you a member? If Yes, then how does Hatch accepting campaign contributions from the alcohol, tobacco and gambling industries sit with you?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:54 pmWhat kind of intellect do you expect from this guy? A guy from Utah. A Mormon.
Just a little over a century ago, too many Utah homes had: his, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS and HERS bath towels.
Many of these “his”, and HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS, HERS,……….. families lived in small towns. Such a wonderful gene pool for intellectually-gifted, bright, people.
Bush has a super loyal following in the State of Utah. No other state supports Bush like Utah. Duh! Duh! You don’t knead a pee-H-Dee to figure that one out.
John
April 6th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Bluedog is a smart blogger. I read the passage a couple different times, on a couple different blogs and never noticed that he/she thing. I wonder if MSM will notice it also.
Comment by Tom — April 6, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
And yesterday he proved he’s a history whiz too, glad to know your on our side Bluedog.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:58 pmHatch is so stupid that he’s not even unqualified to be a dumbass.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:01 pmThese people are beyond help or change.
Comment by goehl — April 6, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
They only care about their wallets. This country means nothing to them. People mean nothing to them. All they care about is how they can impress their friends and neighbors and they don’t really care about them as people.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:03 pmA cheap (Perry Mason) lawyer trick…
…introduce inadmissable (in this case erroneous) evidence/misinformation…
…to the “jurors” (inbred “soil”)…
…opposing counsel objects…
…the judge sustains and admonishes the offending counsel…
…but the “seed” (of doubt/misinformation) is planted…
…Hatch knew EXACTLY what he was doing…
…and there are those who support such dishonesty…
…and yet, call themselves “decent,God-fearing people”…
April 6th, 2007 at 11:06 pmJohn Gilpins,
Great comment, as always. I miss your wisdom around here!
April 6th, 2007 at 11:07 pmHi Zooey,
Thanks for the nice compliment. I check TP from time-to-time. I like your posts.
It’s such a joy to read TP. Another day and another scandal. Can you believe this administration.
John
April 6th, 2007 at 11:33 pmI’ve written sooo many letters to sooo many congressmen, newspapers, websites, and magazines. I sent the most scathing letter to Time magazine. I’d been a subscribor for nearly 20 years and I just ended it. I wasn’t going to renew this time, anyway (Time SUCKS now), but the Stengel comments and proud refusal to report on the AG scandal were the last nails in the coffin. Then I got the one with the “Case for teaching the Bible in Public Schools” on the cover. I’m not reading *&$#@ Time anymore. I could understand if they made the case for teaching religion and/or theological history in schools, but to tell such a diverse population that only one religious view is worthy of teaching our children is disrespectful, irresponsible, and downright un-American.
Sorry, went off point – I’m so mad. What I was going to say is I feel that all my writing has done little in the way of making change. I don’t think anyone even reads them – all I ever get back are form letters. I wish I didn’t feel so helpless. I’m just watching this country get flushed, the Constitution being treated with complete disregard, and our leaders lying like it’s some kind of great sport. It’s like a nightmare from which I can’t wake. Sometimes I wish I was one of the ignorant goons out there who believes all the lies (or pretends to to justify – hell I don’t even know what). My patriotism runs deep, though, and I can’t stand the thought of evil, greedy people at the helm of such a beautiful ship. I want the truth, even when it hurts, even when it totally gives me the blues, like tonight.
I’ll go watch the Daily Show and feel better…hargin, flargin, shlargin republicans.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:36 pmSamjax
April 6th, 2007 at 11:43 pmI am so with you on your comments at #73.
We feel the same – we try the same tactics in an attempt to effect chenge. I feel frustrated as you. I am deeply committed to my country and it is killing me slowly to see the leaders of today destroy it.
Jon Stewart therapy for angst-ridden liberals:
From the western wing to the Crawford ranch
Karl Rove is destroying the executive branch
He has no scruples and I don’t mean maybe
He said John McCain had a secret black baby
…F*ck that guy!
hee hee!
April 6th, 2007 at 11:48 pmSamjax,
“I’m just watching this country get FLUSHED.”
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
2000 FLUSHES IS A GREAT TOILET CLEANER. This country is going down the toilet.
The year, 2000, was a bad year for this country. This ************* was elected president. Talk about crap.
How many flushes does Bush have left on the flush-o-meter. HOW MUCH CRAP CAN WE TAKE?
I think we should switch toilet cleaners. Ajax, Samjax?
John
April 6th, 2007 at 11:53 pmOrrin Hatch—-SENILE IDIOT and BOMBASTIC IMBECILE—GET THIS OLD-FART OUT OF HERE BEFORE I RIP HIM TO SHREDS!!!! IF Russert HAD AN OUNCE OF COMMON SENSE HE WOULD MAKE Hatch LOOK LIKE THE TOTAL MORON HE IS BY REVEALING ALL THE FACTS, NOT ACTING THE WAT THE MSM ARE GIVING THE repugnant-repubs THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT!!!! THE ONLY THING “MORMON” ABOUT Hatch IS THAT HE IS LIKE A “MORMON CRICKET,” i.e., A SERIOUS agricultural PEST, MINUS THE agriculture!!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 12:20 amTHEY ARE POLITICAL PARASITES AND LEECHES
THEY JUST DON’T CARE
rigged dude rigged
all totally corrupted
amy know linda knows
swindlers
we get 1/2 and you get 1/2
but i can’t get all these wonderful service we desperately need
doesn’t matter
serve the people…….. right
they rule
we serve them
totally corrupted
enough to make everyone puke
and they just dont care
rah rah vote for me
i won i won
linda knows sammy knows tom knows………
the elfs pot is all mine
ss is a bunch of empty iou’s
private investments
medical totally corrupted 100 years ago
reform…. right
currency… totally corrupted, there is no such thing as interest
food industry…. prefabrication to create a disease healthcare economy
THEY JUST DON’T CARE
pharma totally corrupt
fda totally corrupt
shelter, totally corrupt
financial insti. totally corrupt
banking sector totally corrupt
defense
totally corrupt
they want your money man…..
can’t get it…. full immunity to the tune of 9 trillion debt
but rally more like 40 trillion in debt
ALL
April 7th, 2007 at 12:21 amFRIGGIN
CORRUPTED
Thanks, Marie. When I feel this frustrated, I just have to remember that the American people are very resilient and our democracy has come through some really dark times and prevailed. There were many frustrated Americans in our history who got bewildered, got disgusted, got mad, and made a difference – they pulled together and shifted things in a different direction to find the right path. The bloggers are a good example of that. We’ve lost the mainstream media. It is bought, thanks to government deregulation, which lead to giant media conglomerates taking control – a few people controlling all the news. (”If they own the information, they can bend it all they want,” John Mayer.) However, as in the past, there are crafty, resourceful, resilient Americans who refused to accept nothing less than the absolute truth, so they found a different way to find it and put it out there. I think things would be much worse if it weren’t for them. When I feel like I do today, I can read some of the threads and see that I’m not alone. What gives me hope is that all of our little voices can get really loud together.
Isn’t Henry Waxman great? I think HE is the toilet cleaner, John. Just quietly digging, purging, and shining the light under the rug, in the basement, and in the dark corners of their house. I LOVE that guy. If impeachment is to be put on the table, it will be Waxman who serves it on a silver platter. I know if Samjax could clean out this toilet, I’d flush both the prez and vice prez – impeach them both! It’s going to take more than 2000 flushes, though. We are going to have to get the plunger and the snake and the Drano and the plumber. There’s a lot of crap…
Well, gotta go put my whiney butt in the bed. Keep the faith!
-Sam
April 7th, 2007 at 12:27 amThe Ten Commandments–Republican Style
Rebecca Lauer
I. Thou shalt talk about Christian principles, but not live by them
II. Thou shalt attack opponents personally when you can’t win on policies
III. Thou shalt call yourself pro-life, but be in favor of the death penalty
IV. Thou shalt call yourself pro-life, and put guns in the hands of school children
V. Thou shalt give lip service to democracy while taking away civil liberties
VI. Profit is the Lord Thy God, thou shalt not put the people’s interest above those of your corporate contributors
VII. Thou shalt make sure fetuses have health coverage, but leave children and babies behind
VIII Thou shalt bear false witness against your opponents and liberals, and demonize them
IX. Thou shalt run on a moderate platform, then enact right-wing policies as soon as possible
X. Thou shalt call the media liberal, so that people forget that the media is owned by corporations with a conservative fiscal agenda
April 7th, 2007 at 12:31 amComment by Samjax — April 7, 2007 @ 12:31 am
I’d love to send those Ten Commandments to a couple of my conservative friends. One of them sends me unbelievable stuff.
Thanks for sharing.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:47 amThere has never been a time in American history short of the Civil war that we have been so close to Civil war. Can’t you feel it in the air?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:50 am#82 Just
The feeling is there but I suspect it is more of an uprising against the government than a Civil War. To Compare: Our Revolutionary War was not a Civil War in that the Colonists banded together to fight an outside Government, if you will. Our Civil War set State against State, a fully “In-house” conflict. The growing concern today is not so divisive as was the conflict in the 1850’s. Now we have the thinking citizens rebelling against a Government that has one goal: the proliferation of wealth among the selected at the cost of the proletariat. What that means is that the bushco corporate greed will take your wallet. The people (you, me, Zooey, BnF, et al have had enough and will rebel accordingly short of any kind of war, except logical debate and legal protests.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:08 amI’d love to send those Ten Commandments to a couple of my conservative friends.
Comment by shane #81
shane,
having read a number of your posts..
…just curious…
…how does one befriend…
…a conned’self-serving Bushite?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:14 amThe people (you, me, Zooey, BnF, et al have had enough and will rebel accordingly short of any kind of war, except logical debate and legal protests.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper
Well said, Clyde.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:17 amNote that Hatch is now lying about Bersin as well as Lam. Bersin was never a law professor; and in the line preceeding the one quoted in this article, Hatch says it’s amazing “she” wasn’t fired earlier:
Perhaps Hatch thinks “Alan” is a woman.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:20 amComment by big papa — April 7, 2007 @ 1:14 am
I was wondering that myself when I posted to Samjax.
Basically they other mothers I met because of my daughter. And I really like them except when politics comes up. Basically they are uninformed and just following the party line they were raised on.
One of them I get some conservative cutesy email from but I really think it’s her husband sending things to people in her address book. Because I went postal one time and really chewed her out and never heard another thing about it.
I tended bar for 15 years and could really find people to have serious political discussions with. But since I had my daughter the pickings have been slim. One of my bar customers was an IRA member moved here from Belfast. I’d love to talk to him now.
Thanks for asking – sorry to rant.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:27 amBasically they are uninformed and just following the party line they were raised on.
Comment by shane #87
Many of these political “Zombies”…
…vote…
…like their husbands, fathers, and significant others tell them…
…they are just as TREASONOUS and corrupted…
…as their fellow inbred conned’self-serving scumbags who KNOW what they’re voting for…
…this country is in deep sh*t because of those “uninformed”, scared, racist sheep…
…may God’s curse be upon them all…
April 7th, 2007 at 1:49 amYou are so right. Ignorance is no excuse. We’re paying the price for people not learning about what’s going on in this country.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:01 amnope — just back to the same old set-up pre-libby trial when fat tim provided the outlet for the white house talking points. hatch knew exactly what he was doing — getting some disinformation out there. cause once those statements have been made, there’s no taking them back.
April 7th, 2007 at 5:48 amThe main problem here is people are giving too much credit back to Timeh. Post Libby trial I think people should take everything he does with a chunk of the Baja Peninsula.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:31 amPolitics is a Zero Sum game for sum, your reputation is gained then by damaging the others respect of Life.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
April 7th, 2007 at 8:17 amComment by Samjax # 79:
Thank you for your comments, they are so true to what people everywhere are feeling, sick and tired of all the lies, deception, and misspeaking on every front in the MSM.
I just had to say to you, that people like me do read these blogs and take notice of all the opinions that are out there in the United States of Frustrated America.
A short thank you to all you posters here, you make me realize that I am not the only person that is pissed at the status of our politics these days, and decided to do my part a few months ago.
My part is to read these blogs (and the links that back them up), I print the stories and bring them to work for my co-workers to read, and I cannot believe how many people ask questions about what is going on in the govt these days, I make it a point to let people know that the information is all over the internet for all to see and make there own decision as to what they should be doing about the dumbing down of the average citizen.
The deceptive information that we receive is being called out on a daily basis by people like Waxman, Conyers, Levin, and others that still know what the word “moral” means, and are making our govt accountable on all levels whether they like it or not.
As for Orin Hatch and MTP last week, it will be interesting to see what Tim has to say about this, if anything.
If Tim has no comment, or Orin has no public retraction (on MTP) no letter is acceptable, then I will spend my time doing something else on Sunday morning, this does not sound like much, but Mr. Russert, I have watched your program for over 15 yrs, and you are one day away from losing a faithful viewer, hope you do the honest thing.
Again posters, thank you, and know your voices are definitely being heard by more people than you think.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:41 amClyde the Ripper,
Don’t underestimate the chance of civil war.
As you stated “The feeling is there but I suspect it is more of an uprising against the government than a Civil War.” Remember that twenty-some-odd percent of Americas population think that what this government is doing is fighting the good fight. Truly they do, and they are disproportionality imbued with power and might and certainly the will to use it.
There is no answer but revolution, because the police state is so all encompassing and because technology affords this segment of our government the opportunity to so thoroughly surveil the population that individual movements against the autocracy result in the loss of liberty in isolation. Nobody will know when the next revolutionary will be secreted away and stifled.
This is the new reality and we will live under this blight or turn against it, and if we do turn against it in a meaningful way it will be unimaginably ugly.
My two cents.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:18 amHatch ‘Corrects’ Lam Error By Disparaging Another U.S. Attorney — Will Russert Repeat It?…
Last week on Meet the Press, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) attempted to discredit the record of recently-fired U.S. Attorney Carol Lam, claiming she had no experience. Problem is, Lam has PLENTY of experience. Hatch has since attempted to correct his error, …
April 7th, 2007 at 10:18 amWhen all the dust eventually settles, Hatch is still an idiot.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:47 amOooo! A second helping of lies! Tasty lies, served up hot!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 10:53 amAgain posters, thank you, and know your voices are definitely being heard by more people than you think.
Comment by Votingplumber
Fantastic comment, Votingplumber. Thank you for doing what you can to keep the people in your life informed.
I hope Russert doesn’t disappoint us, but he very well may. Please, if you do end up leaving MTP, write Russert and let him know why he’s lost a 15 year viewer.
Peace.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:59 amWhen Jesus DOES return, LIARS like Hatch and Bush are going to be IN TROUBLE.
BURN! SIZZLE! TOAST! ROAST!
Thank you Jesus and God!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 11:13 amComment by Votingplumber — April 7, 2007 @ 8:41 am
Great, thoughtful post. It’s good to know you are disseminating the information and maybe reaching new people.
I think we all feel that doing something to get the truth out there is the path to change. And change, while it is slow, at least has begun.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:41 am100!!
April 7th, 2007 at 11:44 amComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — April 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am
Until then though it would be great to see these liars end up in prison, or with big fines, or at the very least lose their Senate seats.
And it would be great to see Tim lose his job and have to go work at the not at all prestigious, Fox News.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:44 am#101
I can see a WILD-EYED Tim Russert replacing Roger Ailes, Ailes’s body found in an abandoned Enron facility some years later…
Reality.
Bush and Cheney REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH about 9/11 and their dealings with 9/11, the Bin Ladens and the Saudis (who now say the occupation of Iraq is ILLEGAL).
They are TRAITORS to the USA.
So is Hatch, and I don’t know what God or Jesus gave him the “commandment” to LIE about TWO U.S. Attorneys,
but is AIN’T the one I know.
God Bless America, the Democrats, and the WORLD!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:32 pmCorrection: Hatch doesn’t correct his error about Carol Lam by disparaging another U.S. Attorney, he blatantly LIES about Alan Bersin, he blatantly LIES about Mr. Bersin’s qualifications, and he blatantly LIES about his past statements on Meet the Press. Orrin Hatch has no shame, no senatorial dignity, no religious convictions or beliefs in telling the truth. SCANDALOUS!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 2:30 pmTom – Your comment is misguided:
Hold on, Hatch didn’t claim he was talking about Berslin. He claimed he thought those facts, which actually applied to Berslin, applied to Lam.
We’ve got Hatch dead to rights on the important question here – he tried to offer and defense of firing Lam, and he’s got nothing. There’s nothing to be gained by turning this into an issue of whether Hatch is stupid or evil. That just lets the Republicans off the hook on the important question: Why were these firings carried out.
Comment by joe — April 6, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Hatch said:
HATCH: She was a former law professor, no prosecutorial experience, and the former campaign manager in Southern California for Clinton, and they’re trying to say that this administration appoints people politically? Of course they do. That’s what these positions are.
. . . .
I accidentally used her name, instead of her predecessor, Alan Bersin, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton.
Hatch’s “point†is that Bersin was an unqualified, “politically connected†appointee. In fact, Bersin was arguably well-qualified for the position:
– Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University
– Served as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University
– Received his J.D. degree from Yale Law School
– Served as a senior partner for 17 years at the Los Angeles law firm Munger, Tolles & Olson, where he “specialized in complex RICO, securities, commercial and insurance litigation before state and federal trial and appellate courtsâ€
– Special Counsel to the Los Angeles Police Commission
Now, point by point, Hatch’s comments not only fabricated Lam’s history, but slimed Berlin’s:
1. Neither was ever a law professor;
2. Lam has prosecutorial experience; Bersin “specialized in complex RICO, securities, commercial and insurance litigation before state and federal trial and appellate courtsâ€
– Special Counsel to the Los Angeles Police Commission
Perhaps you are unaware of RICO. It’s an acronym for the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. It’s a federal law that provides for extended penalties for criminal acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. To quote Wikipedia:
“Under RICO, a person or group who commits any two of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period and, in the opinion of the United States Attorney bringing the case, has committed those crimes with similar purpose or results can be charged with racketeering. Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and/or sentenced to 20 years in prison. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of ‘racketeering activity.’”
Private citizens can file RICO charges although these charges implicate criminal activity. The Act provides the right to private entities to perform the duties of prosecutors. In essence, those bringing RICO charges act as citizen prosecutors.
SEC and insurance litigation also provide the opportunity for private citizens to prosecute criminal prosecutions in civil courts. After 17 years as a senior partner specializing in RICO, SEC and insurance litigation, the guy’s got the expertise to manage and litigate in any litigation department in the country, if not the world. It’s a joke to say he has no prosecutorial experience.
3. Don’t know whether Bersln was ever a campaign manager in Southern Cal, but Lam definitely wasn’t.
Not sure of your angle, but your facts and analysis are misleading.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:09 pm#103 Exactly, you can not “correct” a smear.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:04 pmHere is what Orrin Hatch said about Carol Lam on Meet the Press April 1st:
“She was a former law professor, no prosecutorial experience, and the former campaign manager in Southern California for Clinton.”
It turns out he lied about that, since none of it was true. In his “apology,” he states:
“My comments about Carol Lam’s record as a U.S. Attorney were accurate, but I misspoke when making the point of discussing politically connected U.S. Attorneys. I accidentally used her name, instead of her predecessor, Alan Bersin, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton.”
Not only was Hatch’s original statement a lie, but his apology is a lie. The comment he made on the show was in the context of the eight fired U.S. Attorneys. He wasn’t “discussing politically connected U.S. Attorneys,” he was discussing Carol Lam. He didn’t “accidentally use her name, instead of her predecessor,” he used her name on purpose, because he was talking about those eight fired U.S. Attorneys.
Hatch is nothing more than an apologist for the Bush administration in its attempt to remove justice from the U.S. Department of Justice and replace it with political patronage.
April 8th, 2007 at 4:39 amOn MTP today, Russert noted that Hatch has made a retraction, but he failed to mention that in his retraction, he slandered Bersin.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:22 amNo surprise from little Timmy, the Bush waterboy. He was made to look the fool and he continues to play the role.
Looks like Monica Goodling’s few years out of a televangelist law school trumps Harvard and 17 years of legal experience. May-be Hatch has finally totally lost it: he was speaking about a “tempest in a coffee cup” on the same Meet the Press broadcast.
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