ThinkFast: April 6, 2007
ThinkFast: April 6, 2007
A declassified Pentagon study reports that “captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides ‘all confirmed’ that Hussein’s regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.” The document notes that a pre-war CIA analysis stated that there were “no conclusive signs of cooperation on specific terrorist operations,” providing yet further evidence of manipulation of intelligence by then-Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith.
Bad news for Bill O’Reilly: “Immigration is helping to keep America’s big cities vibrant and alive, buffering major metropolitan areas from a slow drain in population as longtime residents move out, new data released yesterday by the US Census Bureau shows.”
Sens. Christopher Dodd, John Kerry, and Robert Casey called for an investigation into whether President Bush acted illegally in recess-appointing Swift Boat funder Sam Fox as ambassador to Belgium. “We view the recess appointment of Mr. Fox as a clear abuse of the President’s recess appointment power,” they wrote in a letter to the Government Accountability Office.
“A senior official at the federal Education Department sold more than $100,000 in shares in a student loan company even as he was helping oversee lenders in the federal student loan program.”
Four top staffers from the office of Rachel Paulose, the U.S. Attorney in Minnesota, have voluntarily demoted themselves in protest. Paulose has “deep connections” to key players in the Bush administration’s prosecutor purge. She was an “assistant to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales…and is best buds with Monica Goodling.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “raised the issue of the lack of women in Saudi politics with officials” in Saudi Arabia, as she “tried out her counterpart’s chair — a privilege not available to Saudi women because they cannot become legislators.”
Today, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change releases the second of four 2007 reports on global warming’s region-by-region environmental and human impact in this century. The final report — whose wording was “diluted” in an effort to reach consensus — will state that a rise in world temperature would have “damaging and costly effects, ranging from the likely extinction of perhaps a fourth of the world’s species to eventual inundation of coasts and islands inhabited by hundreds of millions of people.”
“Changing climate will mean increasing drought in [America's] Southwest – a region where water already is in tight supply.”
And finally: “Pigeon poop has long sullied downtown St. Paul sidewalks,” but city officials have a plan to eradicate it before the Republican National Convention comes to town next year. “After pigeons lay their eggs on rooftop nesting grounds, maintenance workers plan to sneak up through trap doors and grab the next generation before it hatches.”
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Doug Feith needs to be subpoenaed for this crime and a full investigation of precisely who ordered the intentional manipulation of intelligence needs to be brought to justice. Was Feith acting on his own? Was Feith ordered to manipulate it? And, if so, precisely whom did the ordering? Cheney? Bush??
April 6th, 2007 at 9:15 amIf you can’t handle the pigeons, you have no business being in a city.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:16 amMeanwhile, back at the surge:
April 6th, 2007 at 9:18 am
Was Feith ordered to manipulate it? And, if so, precisely whom did the ordering? Cheney? Bush??
Comment by veritas — April 6, 2007 @ 9:15 am
It was a prime example of Bush’s “Feith-Based” initiatives!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:19 amImagine all the “eggs” BushCo is planting in our goverment–preparing the way for a new gernation of rupublican-neocon scum to shit on our country. I mean, rememember that Cheney and Rummy and others were the “eggs” of the Nixon admin…
April 6th, 2007 at 9:20 amDid Iraqis Find ‘Smoking Bomb?
April 6th, 2007 at 9:21 am‘Basra police commander IDs roadside bomb that killed 4 British troops as new Iranian-designed projectile weapon
Paulose: Such tiny webs we weave when we intend to deceive. Her head’s certainly going to be on the block now. Asst. to Gonzo and complicit with McNulty and Goodling….Paulose will be gonzo with Gonzo!! Now let’s see what she knows, when she knew it, etc. and we’ve got a real “smoking gun” here. Good thing Bonzo-Gonzo is rehearsing his drill for his testimony though because when this dookey hits the fan and this bud sings, he’s going to need more than rehearsed lines to counter this one.
Let’s see what biblical verses Paulose quotes now, eh??
April 6th, 2007 at 9:22 amPigeon egg omelet mmmmm mmmmm!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:24 amYes, “Feith-based” initiatives. Guess Feith will be the “new fall guy on the block” – what ever happened to Doug Feith anyway? He fell off the radar, much to the delight of BushCo. But it’s time for him to resurface I believe…..enter Doug Feith….enter “no connection with AQ whatsoever”….enter intentionally manipulated intelligence….and we’ve got the next scandal ready to roll…..”FeithGate”! This promises to be another juicy one! Now BushCo will be making juice in their pants!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:25 amIn other news:
Bush once said the world would be a better place if all countries adopted his Military Commissions Act. Were that the case, Iran would have held these sailors incommunicado for years, subjected them to torture, tried them using classified evidence which proved they had trespassed into Iranian waters, and possibly even executed them.
Looks like it’s a good thing a member of the Axis of Evil didn’t follow the example set by the Righteous President Bush.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:25 amBush Cabal’s New Legacy: Suspicious at best; Illegal at worst! Take your pick….time is proving that it’s the latter in everything this man does.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:27 amThose Cheney and Rumsfeld eggs turned out to be real stinkers.
-GSD
April 6th, 2007 at 9:32 am#10 I believe the “Axis of Evil” is rearranging itself before our very eyes…and we are discovering that we are an integral part of it, unfortunately. What we must fear is our own “enemy within” who threatens our civil rights, lies to us, twists every truth to fit their agenda, spies on us, uses torture tactics by outsourcing torture and then saying “we don’t torture”….well, duh?? Now we find they’ve definitely fixed intel to saturate us in a war where only oil/war profiteers get rich and our military suffers the consequences of their greed….it’s definitely getting “ugly” to discover the truth about those in the highest offices in this country. They have betrayed the trust of the american people. They cannot be trusted any longer. They are the liars and the criminals….it’s been “them” all along – who project “evil” on others (Bush’s recent statement about fighting “pure evil” in Iraq so it doesn’t come over here). Well, the american people have huge news for BushCo….the “pure evil” IS over here….it has been for 6 long years and unless/until it is irradicated via impeachment, it will contine to grow and spread like a malignant tumor until it sucks all of the life out of this democracy…until it destroys what great men have taken 200 years to build….until Bush is investigated, impeached, indicted and brought to justice for his crimes & misdemeanors…..until then….
April 6th, 2007 at 9:32 amDid Iraqis Find ‘Smoking Bomb?
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 9:21 am
Maybe so:
April 6th, 2007 at 9:33 am
hackingbob, you linked to Fox. Of course their going to run with another slanted story. Find independant sources.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:34 am“A declassified Pentagon study reports that “captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides ‘all confirmed’ that Hussein’s regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.†The document notes that a pre-war CIA analysis stated that there were “no conclusive signs of cooperation on specific terrorist operations,†providing yet further evidence of manipulation of intelligence by then-Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith.”
begin the impeachment proceedings…
April 6th, 2007 at 9:34 amthe “pure evil†IS over here….it has been for 6 long years …
Comment by veritas — April 6, 2007 @ 9:32 am
It’s been here longer than that. As I recall, many of the players behind the scenes in the Bush Administration were once in the Nixon White House and were pardoned by Gerald Ford.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:36 amIt should be made clear that there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. As far as illegals moving into cities and towns, it’s actually a huge problem, not a boost. Remember the sheriff in Montana who sent Presidente Vincente Fox a bill for three million dollars that his department had to spend to arrest, incarcerate and deport illegal aliens who migrated to his town and committed crime? Well, that’s the side of this issue the proponents don’t publicize.
I am a liberal, but I adamantly oppose letting millions of people into the country illegally as to why it’s a positive thing in their opinion. I would like to hear a plausible argument from someone who supports illegal entry. (( said PLAUSIBLE).
April 6th, 2007 at 9:37 amwhat ever happened to Doug Feith anyway? He fell off the radar, much to the delight of BushCo
He has a sweet little gig at Georgetown, the law center I think. It seems these rethug war criminals always find a sincure at our “elite” universities until the heat dies down and then they head back into government.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:37 amcheck out Bob Fritrakis/Harvey Wasserman’s article on Bob Bennett’s removal at http://www.smirkingchimp.com today. Evidently, Bennett was removed from the Cuyohoga Board of Elections and is under investigation; the Secy of State took possession of all ballots & records from the disputed 2004 election results in Ohio….This isn’t looking good for both Diebold & Bush at this point. It looks even worse for Ken Blackwell who was State Sup. of Elections at the time while also Ohio Bush/Cheney 04 Chairman…uh-oh. I smell people going to jail on this one!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:41 amThe engine of the US economy these last few years has been housing until the Fed’s rising interest rates choked off the activity on the lowest rungs of the housing ladder. The engine of the housing sector has been immigrants documented and undocumented. Undocumented (illegal is such a value-loaded and politicized term) workers are, at present, an integral element of our economic health. On the other hand, we could probably get along without Bill O’Reilly.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:41 amComment by hellinabucket — April 6, 2007 @ 9:34 am
I thought the same thing, until I noticed it was an AP press release. It will likely show up on other news outlets. However, note the original source, an Iraqi police commander. Not any kind of weapons expert. There’s no independent verification mentioned in the article. So it could be like finding one of the “Loyal Bushie” federal prosecutors to talk about the recent purge of federal prosecutors.
Even if it were Iranian designed, there’s no proof the Iranian Government had anything to do with it arriving in Iraq. How many IED’s used explosives supplied by the United States (and left unguarded as the military swept past munitions dumps in it’s shock and awe sweep towards Baghdad)?
April 6th, 2007 at 9:42 am#18 Thanks for the Feith update. I doubt that Dougie baby is going to get of this one easily.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:42 amDid Iraqis Find ‘Smoking Bomb?
‘Basra police commander IDs roadside bomb that killed 4 British troops as new Iranian-designed projectile weapon
Comment by hacker bob
.. “well isnt that conveeeeennient”…gosh, perfect timing for the people yapping for war with iran…
false flag attack from the americans anyone? oh should I be as naive as HB?
April 6th, 2007 at 9:42 am#17 I couldn’t agree with you more. Every discussion about immigration needs to start with the ‘clear distinction between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration’ since that’s clearly where the lines become blurred and people become confused. If there is amnesty or illegals allowed to immigrate without penalty, then I believe every immigrant who “legally” jumped through our governmental hoops and money to become “legal” absolutely should be reimbursed – not only for the actual expenses incurred in their quest for legality in this country but also some payment for the “stress” involved in the process.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:44 amLooks like it’s a good thing a member of the Axis of Evil didn’t follow the example set by the Righteous President Bush.
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire — April 6, 2007 @ 9:25 am
Heard on ManCow this morning (don’t ask… all other channels were commercials) that some believe that these British Soldiers weren’t really trained soldiers, as they appeared to be happy (smiling and all)
It actually disgusted a caller they way they acted
Let the SwiftBoating begin for these released soldiers…..sheesh
April 6th, 2007 at 9:45 amIRAQ IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS IRAN.
IRAQ IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS IRAN.
IRAQ IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS IRAN.
IRAQ IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS IRAN.
IRAQ IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS IRAN.
IRAQ IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS IRAN.
WERE #!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:47 amI love the meme that these roadside bombs are coming out of Iran. They have to come out of Iran because they use Kuwati made pipe and have latin letters and numbers on the parts. (wtf?) Arabs are apparently to damn dumb to build build and design their own bombs; they have to have Persians do it for them.
Goes to show in bush world know matter how ridiculous you can’t keep a good lie down.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:48 amthe example set by the Righteous President Bush.
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire — April 6, 2007 @ 9:25 am
CORRECTION:
the SELF-Righteous President Bush.
just sayin’…
have a good day all…
April 6th, 2007 at 9:48 amplay SMART!
Real Redneck,
The only thing real about you is you’re a real LOSER!
April 6th, 2007 at 9:52 amPaulose, like many Bush loyalists, was appointed to a position way above her experience level. She is just another “political” officer on Team Bush, wreaking havoc within her appointed domain.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:52 amThe administration and its allies in the media keep trying to gin up a smoking gun pointing to Iran. A few IEDs don’t amount to a smoking gun, unless you are stupid enough to lap up the koolaid served by Fox News.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:56 amComment by hellinabucket — April 6, 2007 @ 9:34 am
The 6-7 links I provided must have slipped down the rabbit hole.
Try the Guardian, UK, China Daily, San Jose Mercury News, ABC, AP you will find it.
BnF,
I never said Iranian Government. And an EFP is not something that someone is going to make in his garage. It is a little complicated in design.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:02 amSo, BnF,
After the Brits are debriefed, if their story changes and they say “Yep, we made the videos under duress. We were not treated as kindly as you were led to believe”, will you take their word for it? Or are you going to call it a propaganda ploy by the British Government?
I am not saying that is what will happen, just asking the question.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:06 am#20. Doc – Our economy is driven by the labor of illegal aliens in much the same way as the economy of the south was driven by slave labor before the civil war.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:07 amLet the SwiftBoating begin for these released soldiers…..sheesh
Comment by DRxJ — April 6, 2007 @ 9:45 am
Those Sailors and Marines are going to get swiftboated by one side or the other. Heaven forbid tht their story changes after their debriefing.
BTW, it is 1743 Tehran time an Apr 6, where is TMM?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:10 am#32 But what then is your point? “Iranian-designed”? So what? I’m sure the insurgents have plenty of U.S. designed weapons too. Oh wait, I should have said U.S. manufactured arms and armaments.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:13 amReal RedNeck,
The problem is not Iraq or Iran, it is Conserva666tives
The problem is not Iraq or Iran, it is Conserva666tives
The problem is not Iraq or Iran, it is Conserva666tives
The problem is not Iraq or Iran, it is Conserva666tives
The problem is not Iraq or Iran, it is Conserva666tives
April 6th, 2007 at 10:14 amThose Sailors and Marines are going to get swiftboated by one side or the other.
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:10 am
WTF? Are you trying to suggest that war opponents are going to swiftboat the British captives? Please explain by what rationale you have come to this conclusion.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:16 ambob, the right is already swiftboating them. Check out Redstate.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:16 amFrankly, I don’t believe a word they said in Iran. It would be news if they repeat themselves now that they’re safe.
Cheney is back at it with his assertion that Iraq and Al Queda are locker room pals:
Complete with a lovely picture of Emperor Palpatine.
His camera-gathering blurb was timed to try and undermine the declassified Pentagon report that can best be summarized as “Mr. Cheney, you’re full of sh*t.”
April 6th, 2007 at 10:16 amLet’s face it: Iran is definitely not stupid and they realize what we’re up to….the Jundalluh’s on the border being “encouraged by the US” with their guerilla tactics but (supposedly) not being “funded” by the US…right! The fact is Iran knows that our “achilles heel” is the lying administration currently in office so he’s playing their game all the way.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:20 amDoes anyone really believe that the captured soldiers (if they were actually soldiers at all) were NOT in illegal waters? Who knows. We do know one thing at that is that GB is “Bush’s poodle” and might look suspicious if the US were to intentionally cross Iranian waters, wouldn’t it? So what’s the next best thing??? Getting one’s self-professed, sycophantic poodle to do the dirty work. Except this time, Iran didn’t cooperate in the charade and released them….oh, well….Bushie and his Poodle will just have to orchestrate something else to gin up the war drum against Iran now…..it backfired in their faces this time.
Comment by VerbalKint — April 6, 2007 @ 10:13 am
IF the Iranian government is not involved in the providing of munitions to factions inside Iraq, then they should track down who is responsible for it and handle it according to their laws.
But is it possible that the Iranian government is providing munitions to factions in Iraq in order to help perpetuate the instability?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:21 amThe sad fact is that americans can no longer trust anything they hear or read from the whoring corporate media who spin propaganda instead of factual news these days…..they can no longer trust one word uttered by this Bush Cabal…..so what Bush has provoked is a “cry wolf” situation here where if, indeed, there was something noteworthy to be heard by the people, they will not be listening nor will they trust one word they hear. It’s over for Bush in terms of credibility with the people; it’s over for the MSM in terms of credibility with the people. They’ve taught us a class in “PROPAGANDA 101″ so we will not be fooled by their spin or tricked by their lies.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:22 amOFF TOPIC I KNOW, BUT i JUST WATCHED THE OREILLY POST AND DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:23 amI hope that Bush did something truly “illegal” in the swiftboat appointment…..they can add this to his already-overwhelming articles of impeachment.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:23 amFox is in violation of the law. He has to step down as ambassador, or he WILL be removed.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:24 amCheney’s neverending anti-reality binge is why he polls at under 20%. Every time Cheney opens his mouth in public he causes further damage to the party. Bye bye, GOP.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:24 amWTF? Are you trying to suggest that war opponents are going to swiftboat the British captives? Please explain by what rationale you have come to this conclusion.
Comment by VerbalKint — April 6, 2007 @ 10:16 am
If the “captives” continue the “We were treated fairly by the Iranians and we crossed into their waters by mistake” statements, the right will attack.
If the “captives” change from what they said on the videos, the war opponents will say “They are changing their story now because of pressure from Bush/Blair.”
You know it is going to happen.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:25 amWhy do we think goods, services, and capital should move freely across borders and round the world, but we think people should be tied to the land like serfs? If there is one attitude that puts the lie to the idea that Free Trade is Fair Trade, it’s immigration policy. If trade were tied to human rights, to labor conditions, to environmental practices, the mad, desperate rush of people to get to America would lessen. If we turn the rest of the world into sweatshops so we can enjoy suburbia, is it any wonder people are trying to escape their hell to join us?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:25 am#42 What’s the difference whether Iran is supporting terrorist activities within Iraq?? Is this the usual ‘double standard’ within our own government that we are supporting a Pakistani guerilla group named “jundullah” in some way – financially or otherwise – and no one else can do the same? Is this not the double standard in this country where we tolerate no one else to have WMD’s yet we have them and, incidentally, were the ONLY country to ever use them and destroy humans with it?? How is it that we’re “above the law” in all things??
April 6th, 2007 at 10:26 am“Did Iraqis Find ‘Smoking Bomb?
‘Basra police commander IDs roadside bomb that killed 4 British troops as new Iranian-designed projectile weapon”
that’s great! but what about finding who’s responsible the other 80% of military casualties in iraq? [here's a hint: it's the sunni insurgents and the i.s.g. said they were getting money from saudi sources]
April 6th, 2007 at 10:26 amCorrections to #42:
IF the U.S. government is not involved in the providing of munitions to factions inside U.S., then they should track down who is responsible for it and handle it according to their laws.
But is it possible that the U.S. government is providing munitions to factions in Iraq in order to help perpetuate the instability?
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Read it carefully, hacker, because it makes a lot more sense now that I have corrected it for you.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:27 amBut is it possible that the Iranian government is providing munitions to factions in Iraq in order to help perpetuate the instability?
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Umm dude, wake up.. instability has been going on there since probably 64AD.. Are you really that stupid, they hate each other as much as they hate Christians.
And the Iranians have much more of a vested interest in what happens to their neighbor than we do. I don’t see you posting those links about how America is helping terrorist groups. America needs to learn something it hasn’t since the creation of Israel.
WHEN IT COMES TO THESE WACKY RELIGIOUS MIDDLE EAST TYPES, YOUR ENEMIES ENEMY, IS NEVER YOUR FRIEND.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:28 am#47 doesn’t cheney typify the original “douchbag” when he speaks on the tube? He certainly doesn’t look his age which is purported to be 67 years old….he looks more like 87. Guess that’s what a life of alcohol, debauchery, and corruption does to a man. When he opens his filthy trap and spews such nonsense and garbage, he looks like a human waste container. Does he not realize how horrendous he looks to others? He looks like the “epitome of pure, unadulterated evil”. Even Hitler didn’t look so necrotic.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:28 amfrom hackingslob:
Isn’t this the format for the banner under all of Fox News reports? Just asking?
Thanks BnF for the added info. I don’t deny that some Iranian equipment has made it across the borders into Iraq. One could argue it’s a sign of capitalism. Supply and demand and enterprizing opportunists just as easily as saying it’s a conserted effort by Iran to further destabilize the region.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:28 amBut is it possible that the Iranian government is providing munitions to factions in Iraq in order to help perpetuate the instability?
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Of course its possible.
But thats not a reason to invade Iran.
What it is is even more reason to get the f#$k out of there.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:29 amIf the “captives†change from what they said on the videos, the war opponents will say “They are changing their story now because of pressure from Bush/Blair.â€
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:25 am
And why would this even be swiftboating?!?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:29 amAmerica’s new mantra: If you can’t handle pigeon $hit, then get out of the city!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:30 amDarth Cheney should be careful about persisting the Saddam-Bin Laden lie. Someone might find out that Saddam, Osama and some of his friends all used the same bank…. oh somebody already did.
Google for fun:
April 6th, 2007 at 10:32 am‘lucy komisar’ bcci
bcci james bath
james r bath george w bush national guard
Google “Jundullah” and I believe we will see Bush’s fingerprints all over it.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:32 amWhat’s the difference whether Iran is supporting terrorist activities within Iraq??
Because Iran has stated that they are not. Remember, they want “peace” in the region.
Anyone supporting terrorist organizations in Iraq (Iran, Saudi, Halleburton) is doing nothing but perpetuating the problem and creating more death of both US forces and Iraqi citizens.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:33 am#57 What the captives have said is not in keeping with heel-clicking, lock-stepping Bushitcoes and Blairevites, now would it? The longer they admit to wrongdoing; the more Bush & Blair’s overreaction appears smarmy to the public….of course, what other than “smarmy” can one expect from this “dog and pony show” anyway?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:34 am#59 You got it! Darth needs to be careful that the preposterousness of his continuing to spin this lie will lead people to the truth about 911 and this war….Be very careful what you ask for! Rosie O’Donnell is onto the truth and they don’t like it…..Go Rosie!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:36 amAnd Bob, I think it more likely true if they do say publicly that they were pressured in Iran. I think it of more concern if there is no statement at all.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:37 amBut negligible concern. I’m glad they’re home. Iran is despicable. I don’t see any reason why the Brits shouldn’t be given the absolute benefit of the doubt on this. I don’t remember what Iran did to have more credibility on this issue, but there are far too many Americans believing them.
Because Iran has stated that they are not. Remember, they want “peace†in the region.
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:33 am
Once again, I have to ask: WTF? Is hacker bob completely unhinged from reality? Iran saying one thing about Iraq and doing another? I wonder what country that sounds most like….
April 6th, 2007 at 10:37 amIsn’t this the format for the banner under all of Fox News reports? Just asking?
Comment by hellinabucket — April 6, 2007 @ 10:28 am
To understand an issue, you have to look at all sides, not just your side.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:38 amHacker Bob….”anyone supporting terrorism in the region…” Check out our support of Jundullah headquartered in Pakistan but using guerilla tactics inside Iran if you want to see who is “anti peace” in the region – who is “destabilizing the region”. Of course, it’s neatly packaged as “outsourcing terrorism” just like it’s cousin: outsourced torture! We’re beginning to see through our own facade of how great this country is and why we are so rapidly declining to third-world status. Bush’s has sucked the energy from this democracy in one fell swoop and corrupted our ideals and morals. We’ve become “loathed” internationally in 6 short years…..thanks to the Bush Cabal.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:38 am#65 how does that differ from the lies we spin about ourselves?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:39 amI can’t hold back any longer: hacker bob, you sound like you are suffering a form brain damage that has destroyed your basic ability to make valid comparisons. I sense a complete loss of the sense of analogy.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:39 amBut is it possible that the Iranian government is providing munitions to factions in Iraq in order to help perpetuate the instability?
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:21 am
I’ll give you my personal opinion on this having spent over a year in Iraq myself. Yes, some of the weapons and material for the Shia insurgents come from Iran. The Shia are the majority in Iraq where they have been oppressed by the Sunnis for the last 35 years, and I’m sure Iran would love for them to be a Shia nation. Iraq declared in their own constitution that they are an “Islamic Theocracy”, so by their own admittance, they want to follow Muslim law. The only question is, which one? Because Hussein was Sunni, the Ba’ath party and all governmental control was Sunni. That is why Hussein wanted to keep al-Qaeda out of Iraq. Al-Qaeda is also predominately Sunni, and he felt they would be a threat to his leadership. Saudi Arabia wants a Sunni neighbor so they have been providing weapons, material, and money to Sunni insurgents so that they can stay in power. Personally, I believe that Saudi is a greater threat than Iran will ever be.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:39 amreal quick, before i leave…
what i said yesterday about realredneck?
i take it back… obviously a troll… sorry for any confusion…
those are limpballs words @ 26…
bye!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:40 amVerbalKint: I didn’t believe that you were a typical troll – now I am wondering if you aren’t a “sympathetic troll” or a “real troll in disguise”….perhaps you are just a poor lost soul who has been brainwashed by the reichwing, lock-step neofascists? Still trying to figure you out!
April 6th, 2007 at 10:40 amComment by VerbalKint — April 6, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Yep, we have seen Irans consistant record of doing hte right thing, haven’t we.
Yep, we know they never take hostages.
Yep, we know that they never support terrorist organizations.
Yep, we know thye never lie about things.
The only difference between and Iranian politician and an American politician is geography.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:42 amVeritas – I’d prefer someone with a bit more gravitas and less open to ’swiftboating’ than Rosie.
Here’s a mystery – why did John Kerry not mention his pursuit of BCCI as part of his terrorist fighting credentials?
Google ‘john kerry bcci’
Hey John – now would be a great time for a reprise of your ‘last man to die for a mistake?’ speech…
April 6th, 2007 at 10:43 amThe only difference between and Iranian politician and an American politician is geography.
Our guys also don’t have neato Members Only jackets like Ahmedinejad.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:44 amThat’s important to remember.
“Yes, some of the weapons and material for the Shia insurgents come from Iran.”
who are the “shia insurgents”? do you mean the militias? the shiites are pretty much in control over there, at least on paper.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:45 amTo understand an issue, you have to look at all sides, not just your side.
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:38 am
If you are really looking at all sides and not just projecting with this comment, then it is apparent that your method of looking is malfunctioning horribly.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:46 amwow. deep conversation going on in this thread…
April 6th, 2007 at 10:47 ampartied a little too hardy last night..
I just gonna lurk around for a bit til I find my head and reattach it…
Comment by VerbalKint — April 6, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Hey, I am open enough to the possibility that the government of Iran is not behind it. I am open enought to the possibility that some faction of the military is doing it. But hte only way for Iran to show that is to try to put a stop to it.
Basically, I am open enough to the possibility that Ahmadinejad is just along for the ride. A Muppet with the Ayatollahs hand crammed up his a$$.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:53 am#71 Veritas, I don’t know how you could possibly conclude that I am a troll or brainwashed by the reichwing. Please read my comments on this thread. I don’t pull many punches when it comes to ripping Team Bush, his drooling followers, or the corporate plutocrats who enable him. I am particularly brutal to global warming deniers.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:55 am“To understand an issue, you have to look at all sides, not just your side.
Comment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:38 am”
so you’re familiar with kermit roosevelt, operation ajax, the dulles brothers, and british petroleum’s history in iran?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:55 am’shia insurgents’? Who said that – that’s a silly statement. The Shia militias are part of the Iraqi government – even unibrow Moqtada Al Sadr is represented in government. They are not insurgents – insurgency implies opposition to the government….
Oh US support for terrorists (sunni extremists).
Google for fun:
April 6th, 2007 at 10:55 ammek iran bomb
More people demonizing marijuana:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=446318&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
A kid in the UK murders a woman so the article automatically assumes he was crazy high on “skunk cannibis”. Then later, they bother to inform you he was schitzophrenic and had taken cocaine since he was 14.
April 6th, 2007 at 10:57 amAt the end of the day the right wing just wants war.
They will keep presenting reasons why we need to attack Iran, Syria, whoever. As long as it means war.
They want war, and they’re going to keep pushing for it until we throw all the bums out.
Anyone want to take odds on just how dissappointed George Bush was when he heard Iran was releasing the 15 british sailors?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:57 am#78 hacker bob, shouldn’t you be focusing on the country that is doing by far the most meddling in Iraq? That would be us, wouldn’t it?
April 6th, 2007 at 10:58 ambrilliant idea slakerknob, Let’s look at all sides of issues. Like the amount of fear pushed at us in the name in terror on one side and the complete lack of logistical planning thru the military and the admin hacks (any relation?) on the other.
Terror, Terror, fear and terror. No body armor, clean water or real plan to win after beating a third world military.
How much time have you spent critically looking at this administration and it’s failures in the logistics and planning of this mess. Let alone the flawed rationale to go there?
Are you so ready to have armegeddon?
April 6th, 2007 at 11:00 amComment by pgw — April 6, 2007 @ 10:55 am
So, we should pay the price now for something that happened in the 1950s? I thought the Revolution of ‘79 took care of that.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:03 amBob, you’re pretty unpopular today. There have been lots of days when you’ve been everyone’s favorite Republican. Not today, my friend.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:04 am#78 hacker bob, shouldn’t you be focusing on the country that is doing by far the most meddling in Iraq? That would be us, wouldn’t it?
Comment by VerbalKint — April 6, 2007 @ 10:58 am
And there it is.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:04 amComment by VerbalKint — April 6, 2007 @ 10:58 am
I have said before and will say again, we need to get the f*&k out of Iraq.
How much time have you spent critically looking at this administration and it’s failures in the logistics and planning of this mess. Let alone the flawed rationale to go there?
More than I can honestly talk about here.
Are you so ready to have armegeddon?
Comment by hellinabucket — April 6, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Yep, GREAT Bruce Willis movie. I especially like the part where the big Asteroid blows up:)
I know what you mean, and I am by no means pushing for war with Iran. In fact, I am more over praying against it.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:09 amKrankor – read a bit around the legalizing cannabis lobby in the UK.
You will find this:
http://comment.independent.co.uk/leading_articles/article2368908.ece
The opinion is changing – especially vis-a-vis ’skunk’ – its not your 60s peace weed.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:11 amHow about the Pakistan terrorists going over the Iranian border and killing Iraqi military while filming them. Guess who is funding them? What did Bush say again? Something about going after terrorists and the countries that harbor them. I don’t remember hearing where he would fund them.
Crackerjob, do you look at both sides of that?
April 6th, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by Wilco — April 6, 2007 @ 11:04 am
I see that. I guess I should not have posted that article saying that someone in Iran was providing munitions to insurgents in Iraq.
Oh, well. Time to go to formation. Have fun everyone
April 6th, 2007 at 11:12 amFour top staffers from the office of Rachel Paulose, the U.S. Attorney in Minnesota, have voluntarily demoted themselves in protest. Paulose has “deep connections†to key players in the Bush administration’s prosecutor purge. She was an “assistant to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales…and is best buds with Monica Goodling.â€
**SMACK!!**
Man, I love integrity. :-)
April 6th, 2007 at 11:13 am“Pigeon poop has long sullied downtown St. Paul sidewalks,†but city officials have a plan to eradicate it before the Republican National Convention comes to town next year. “After pigeons lay their eggs on rooftop nesting grounds, maintenance workers plan to sneak up through trap doors and grab the next generation before it hatches.â€
Better than goose poop.
Just sayin’
April 6th, 2007 at 11:14 amOur politicians don’t take hostages they just endorse it as a military tactic.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8FD6NC02&show_article=1
The U.S. Army in Iraq has at least twice seized and jailed the wives of suspected insurgents in hopes of “leveraging” their husbands into surrender, U.S. military documents show.
In one case, a secretive task force locked up the young mother of a nursing baby, a U.S. intelligence officer reported. In the case of a second detainee, one American colonel suggested to another that they catch her husband by tacking a note to the family’s door telling him “to come get his wife.”
The last one was reported by Thomas Ricks in the ComPost, where strangly it has disappeared down a memory hole. But he refrenced it in his book “Fiasco.” Look it up
April 6th, 2007 at 11:23 amLet’s keep the pressure on the white house to explain our involvement with Jundullah – just like what they’re afraid of Pelosi discovering and the reason they sent an envoy of Rethugs to Syria a few short weeks ago….about ‘outsourcing terror’ perhaps???? That’s the ONLY reason they’re chagrinned about Pelosi going there. They’re afraid of being outed again.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:26 am#95 Why am I no longer surprised about criminally heinous acts perpetuated by us and our representatives or surrogates?? This way BushCo can profess “we do no torture” – because, no, we do not per se do it ourselves, but allocate it to paid mercenaries and foreign countries in exchange for looking the other way on their drug traffic into this country or their oil.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:27 amFeith is heading for the Witness Protection Program, along with his 9/11 co-conspirator, Kobi Alexander.
Feith is a foreign agent – plane and simple.
arrest him for Treason and Fraud.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:30 amOur politicians don’t support terrorist.
Unless they’re killing brown people who dsagree with us.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:35 amComment by hacker bob — April 6, 2007 @ 10:06 am
The earlier story, which is no longer available, only mentioned their being kept in isolation. It also mentioned that the female sailor was told her male counterparts had already left Iran. No mention yet of waterboarding nor any of the other types of treatment seen in Abu Gahrab nor alleged in Guantanamo.
Will the stories continue to change? I don’t know. But it appears from these early accounts that they were treated better than we treat our “unlawful enemy combatants.”
April 6th, 2007 at 11:37 amAnd they would never lie about anything important.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:39 amBushCo can profess “we do no torture†– because, …
Comment by veritas — April 6, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Torture has been redefined by Alberto Gonzales to mean disembowelment. Anything short of that is not torture. As long as were not drawing and quartering our prisoners, we’re not torturing them.
Too bad Congress doesn’t interrogate Gonzales by the same methods he authorized. On CSPAN.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:42 amI would like to hear a plausible argument from someone who supports illegal entry. (( said PLAUSIBLE).
Comment by teak — April 6, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Agribusinesses support illegal entry, albeit quietly and behind the scenes. They’re predominantly the ones providing the jobs.
Let’s face it, if illegal immigrants couldn’t get jobs, they wouldn’t come here in the first place.
Now, why is it Corporations can cross the border freely for economic gain, but not the individual worker?
April 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amIf everyone thinks that illegal immigration is ok, you know the blatant disregard for federal crime, why don’t those same people not pay their federal income taxes? I mean really, where do we get to pick and choose which laws we want to ignore and which ones we comply with?
April 6th, 2007 at 11:56 amGreat post’s Veritas and all, Off topic sorry….Gas $3,09 here in Seattle burb’s yesterday, was $2.68 a week ago. Are you getting your pocket’s full dark cheney.?…
Great weather on the coast of Wash. day 2 and rain on the way for
Easter…
Way to much junk coming down the pike to address, so will pass, besides you all are doing a better job than I could…
Please continue to send healing thought’s out to RUCerious and all who need them, all the usual, tell some one you love them, plant a tree and do something for our country and the world….I’m off to hug some trees and plant some flowers for our future, providing we are lucky enough to have a future after the bushco regime….Blessings all.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:06 pmEnjoy the great outdoors Sharon, hug one of those magnificent red cedars for me, I miss their energy.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:10 pmThe hedgehog cactii I’ve rescued from falling off cliffs are getting ready to bloom, they seem to be most grateful to have a new home.
Peace
BnF can we get Alberto ‘Torquemada’ Gonzales to take a break from practicing lying to Congresss and comment on whether the British marines were tortured in Iran? As a layman in the torture field, since none of them appear to have lost any body organs, I would guess not
Torquemada? Whaddayasay?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBnF – perhaps the immigrants should incorporate?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmPost #104. Apparently George Bush considers he has the right to pick and choose what laws he wants to ignore and which he wants to comply with. He calls it “signing statements”. Perhaps we should all obey the law “as we see fit”. BTW, Texas has always had exemptions to illegal alien laws.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmYou can’t Torquemada anything
April 6th, 2007 at 12:18 pm#30 VerbalKint
This sudden attention to USA for MN Paulose made me do some searching and I caught this thread on DailyKos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/22/5326/71374
This web could be a lot bigger than we thought and there might be numerous layers to it. The Kos thread talks about several of the USAs who were replaced having sat on the Native American Issues Subcommittee (NAIS). The USA that Paulose replaced was the chair of it. One of the complaints against USA for AZ Charlton was that he wanted to record FBI interviews during some investigations on reservations. Might there be an Abramoff connection in there somewhere?
April 6th, 2007 at 12:29 pmthank you all for the information on how the illegal immigration situation is interwoven into our society. We hear how these “illegals” should get out of our country while others benifit from the labor that most americans just won’t do.
That’s very short sided.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pmDavid, mockery of the rule of law is mockery of the rule of law. If laws don’t work, get them off the books. My main concern regarding illegal immigrants’ presence is their exploitation and the lack of vigilance related to crime itself. If I was an Al-Qualude terrorist I’d move to a barrio style apt. complex in say Dallas or Los angeles and count on the fact that no one would say anything about suspicious activity. I don’t understand why it’s such a festering sore of an issue and people aren’t willing to admit it will be Hell on Earth when it pops. Let’s just address it as adults and not have to apologize later for looking the other way just to get cheap labor.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:31 pmBack at ya Raven, I love the cactus as well, had many when I lived in Nevada…The colors are stunning….Hugged the Cedar for ya, now off to do some planting even though the timing is off….Blessings and don’t play nicely…LOL..It’s boring
April 6th, 2007 at 12:33 pmHeh – Wilco – you knocked that one clear out of the park!
April 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pmTerry, there is little funnier than synchronized swimming nuns
April 6th, 2007 at 12:47 pm“The Inquisition – what a show!
The Inquisition, here we go…”
It’s in my head now for the rest of the day… :-D
April 6th, 2007 at 12:54 pm… thanks for not asking me to hug a cactus for you, Sharon..:)
April 6th, 2007 at 1:07 pm……….I’ll water a sagebrush instead…
“No one expects the Congressional Inquisition”
April 6th, 2007 at 1:09 pmOur two main weapons are fear, surprise and a fanatical devotion the Bushes… no wait our three main weapons…
OK where’s Graham Chapman:
April 6th, 2007 at 1:18 pm“This thread is getting silly, stop it right now…”
[...] Booman Tribune, The Moderate Voice, The Huffington Post, At-Largely, The Gun Toting Liberalâ„¢, Think Progress, State of the Day, Norwegianity, New Pairodimes, The Washington Note, Brilliant at Breakfast, Ezra [...]
April 6th, 2007 at 1:20 pmwhat was the name of that skit about “silly walks”?
April 6th, 2007 at 1:33 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
April 6th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThank you, Terry the Turtle…..
April 6th, 2007 at 3:01 pmJust the photo of ole Doug Feith gets me going.
The neo-cons are capable of ANYTHING.
If even ANY of this is true about Dick Cheney….well….
http://waynemadsenreport.com/
April 6th, 2007 at 3:36 pmFrom raw Story:
A presentation prepared by the US Army shows that there still exist situations in which the military may not be able to prosecute private contractors who commit crimes.
This slide, with explanatory documentation, was publicized today by Secrecy News, a publication of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy.
“Contractors accompanying U.S. military forces in Iraq or elsewhere who commit crimes may be beyond the reach of law enforcement…because the Defense Department has not yet updated its regulations to conform to a Congressional mandate, resulting in a “gap” in legal jurisdiction,” wrote Steven Aftergood, the project’s director.
The presentation of the Combined Arms Support Command’s Training Division noted that liability and accountability for contractors is often set in advance. But in some cases, Army law may not apply.
“A gap may emerge where the contractor personnel are not subject to the UCMJ (only in time of declared war) and the contractor commits an offense in an area that is not subject to the jurisdiction of an allied government (for example, an offense committed in enemy territory). In such cases, the contractor’s crime may go unpunished,” the explanatory notes say.
Although legislation last year expanded military law enforcement to cover contractors, the Defense Department has yet to issue regulations implementing the legislation.
“Given the lack of DoD implementation guidance, this [Training Support Package] does not include discussion on UCMJ authority over contractor personnel except in times of declared war and over retired military personnel,” it adds.
Aftergood’s note on the slides, with access to the source documents, are accessible at the FAS blog.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:16 pmReal Redneck,
The only thing real about you is you’re a real LOSER!
Comment by JakeTheJerk
Actually Jake, RR is the BRIGHT one of the bunch!
April 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmIt’s amazing how they all play the same exact clip, but they don’t play what happens a minute later. That’s the part that shows you it’s all a B.S. act again for ratings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HoUW8QAmnk&NR=1
What’s worse – a constant phony or a constant sucker?
April 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amWhoops – wrong thread – mi’bad
April 7th, 2007 at 10:51 amDoug Feith—LYING neo-CON-man WORM and REPULSIVE VERMIN GEEK WHO SHOULD HAVE A HARD PUNCH RIGHT INTO HIS OWLISH FACE AND BREAK HIS GLASSES INTO HIS EYES SO HE WON’T BE ABLE TO SEE THE WORLD OF LIES HIS LYING MOUTH SPREADS AND LYING EARS LIKE TO WARP INTO WHAT Feith WANTS TO HEAR, NOT WHAT IS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER!!!!!
O’LIE-lly—LYING IGNORANT DEMAGOGUE AND JINGOISTIC RABBLE-ROUSER AND HATE-MONGER—TROUBLE IS, HE THINKS HE IS A “CULTURE WARRIOR” ON THE SIDE OF RIGHT, “RIGHT-WING-NUT-CASE,” THAT IS!!!!!
CHIMPya WILL HAVE SO MANY ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT FOR SO MANY HIGH CRIMES AND REASONS THAT THOSE ARTICLES WOULD FILL A WHOLE FLEET OF TITANIC-SIZED TANKERS!!!!! SUCH A LAWLESS CREEP HAS NEVER EXISTED IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES—NOW IF YOU ADD FRANKENCheney’s CRIMES, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE NEW BALL GAME AND TONS MORE IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES, ENOUGH TO CHOKE A BILLION HORSES, AND I’M NOT JUST NEIGHING “DIXIE”, HERE!!!!! THE TROUBLE IS THAT THESE CREEPS CHIMPya and FRANKENCheney THINK THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, JUST EXERCISING THEIR “Droit de Seigneur”, THE RIGHT OF A LORD TO DEFLOWER NOT VIRGINS IN THIS CASE, BUT THE RESOURCES AND FREEDOM OF AMERICA AND AMERICANS—TO PUT IT BLUNTLY, WE AMERICANS AND OUR FREEDOMS ARE BEING ROYALLY F*CKED OVER BY CHIMPya AND FRANKENCheney, SO IT IS ONLY FAIR THAT WE RETURN THE FAVOUR BY PHYSICALLY FORCING CHIMPya AND FRANKENCheney TO THEIR KNEES AND SHOVING IMPEACHMENT AND PROSECUTION PRONGS UP THEIRS!!!!! YEAH!!!!!
Ah Yes, Bushland Uber Allies “Senior Officials” IN POSITIONS OF POWER ABUSING THEIR OFFICES BY ILLEGALLY MAKING MONEY BY CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST CHICANERY AND UNDERHANDED DEALINGS—-AN ESSENTIAL PART OF CHIMPya’s MENDACIOUS MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES AND POLITICAL STRATEGY—”F*CK THEM OVER FOR AS LONG AS YA CAN AFORE YA GET CAUGHT, THEN LIE LIKE HELL AND HOPE THEY LET YA GO!!!!!”
THE EVER WIDENING WEB OF THESE INSIDIOUS FIFTH-COLUMNISTS, THESE PERNICIOUS FASCIST-NAZIS, THESE PARASITE WORMS WITHIN THE NOBLE LION’S BODY OF OUR AMERICAN WAY AND SYSTEM OF FAIR JUSTICE, ALL IS BEING UNDERMINED BY THESE MISCREANTS GONZOales, Goodling, Paulose, AND MANY, MANY OTHER CO-CONSPIRATORS WHO MUST ALL BE EXPOSED, ARRESTED, PROSECUTED AND EXECUTED FOR TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!! SO MOTE IT BE, I NOW SAY!!!!!
YOU TELL THESE FILTHY STINKING saudi A-rabs, SPEAKER PELOSI!!!! EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN in saudi arabia NOW, OR ELSE!!!!!
IN OTHER SIMPLE WORDS, STOP GLOBAL WARMING, CARBON FUEL EMISSIONS AND CO2 OVERSPREADING, OR LEARN TO LIVE UNDERWATER—ATLANTIS II, ANYONE?????
NOT ONLY LIVING UNDERWATER FOR COSTAL RESIDENTS, BUT LIVING IN THE GOBI AND SAHARA DESERTS FOR INLANDERS AS WELL—”WATER, WATER, SOMEONE GET ME SOME WATER!!!! I’M DYING OF THIRST HERE!!!” “HELP, HELP, I’M DROWNING!!!! I CAN’T SWIM!!!!” CAUGHT BETWEEN THE DUSTY SAND DEVIL AND THE MERCILESS DEEP BLUE SEA!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA! HAH!
PLEASE SAVE ALL THE PIGEON POOP—WE ARE GOING TO CRATE IT UP AND SEND IT TO CHIMPya W. Bush, Torticola DICKLess B(ugger) FRANKENCheney, Karl FAT-F*CK Rove and Bushland Uber Allies—COLLECT!!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 6:41 pm