Victim’s father calls O’Reilly ‘disrespectful.’
By on Apr 6th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Victim’s father calls O’Reilly ‘disrespectful.’
In his debate with Geraldo last night, Bill O’Reilly argued that the deaths of two girls in a drunk-driving accident should be blamed on illegal immigration since the drunk driver was undocumented. But during a press conference, the father of one of the girls “said that making an issue out of immigration loses the focus that the girls were killed by a man that police said was driving drunk. Ray Tranchant said, ‘We need to heal, and to bring immigration, that’s disrespectful to a family who’s just mourning.’”
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Can TP please not give Bill-O the time of day? Pretty please????
April 6th, 2007 at 1:34 pmAnd if he would not have been here legally, he never would have gotten drunk and drove. So the girls would still be alive.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:35 pmAnd if he would not have been here legally
Typo, I mean illegally of course.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:38 pmWell he has done it again; shoved one too many falafels up his no spin zone using a very abrasive loofa and given himself a partial labatomy
April 6th, 2007 at 1:39 pmIf the 18th Amendment hadn’t been repeeled, those girls would be alive today.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:41 pmAnd if he had been here legally, he still would have gotten drunk and the girls would still be dead. The crime is drunk driving, not being an illegal alien.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:42 pmCondolences to the Tranchant family, and admiration for their stand!
April 6th, 2007 at 1:44 pmO’Reilly’s a shit… he should apologize, but that’s below him…
April 6th, 2007 at 1:45 pmNo one wants to stop legal immigration. But this illegal immigrant broke the law and should have been deported. Had he been deported the girls would be alive today. Because they let this guy walk he got drunk again and got in a car and killed people. I don’t care ware he is from, he did not belong in this country and in my city.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:46 pmSo the hotheaded hopper and BO will ignore the wishes of the parents to make this their own issue.
Loved the smack down by Geraldo (of all people).
Drunk driving should be blamed on Drunk Drivers and all who benifit from the sale of alcohol.
438 deaths caused by drunk drivers in Virginia last month and BO didn’t talk about one. Don’t remember seeing buggedoutbouncer bitch about the evils of drunk drivers either.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIf O’Lielly had never been born he would not have made that outrageous statement.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:47 pm“And if he would not have been here legally, he never would have gotten drunk and drove. So the girls would still be alive.”
And if an illegal immigrant helps someone out of a burning building that must mean that illegal immigration is a good thing right? It’s faulty logic. Get over it.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:47 pmi wonder if a god-fearing Irish Catholic has ever driven drunk? BO oughtta target that group if so.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:48 pmSo you blaim O’Reilly and not the guy in the car that killed the 2 girls…….
April 6th, 2007 at 1:51 pmgood point Dave C.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIf:
1) The first time the guy was arrested he would have been deported
2) He would not have been in this country illegally
3) Therefore he would not have been drinking in this country
4) Then he would not have been driving drunk
5) And these two girls would still be alive.
Gather all the facts. Walk through it step-by-step and you can not help but come to this conclusion.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:53 pmGOP. The party of disrespect.
I think that tragically sums it up.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:56 pmAnd if an illegal immigrant helps someone out of a burning building that must mean that illegal immigration is a good thing right? It’s faulty logic. Get over it.
Comment by Dave C — April 6, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
No, it is not a good thing regarless. Here is what people fail to concider. Every illegal immigrant has already violated the law. They are, but their being here, criminals.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThe issue can’t be about drunk driving because then Orally would be indirectly condemning the actions of the prez and vp and he wouldn’t do that.
It’s amazing that people actually listen to and agree with bigots like BillO.
April 6th, 2007 at 1:57 pmHey Void!
Simple minds think alike. See #12
April 6th, 2007 at 1:59 pmCUT HIS MIC! SHUT UP!!! YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 1:59 pmhttp://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf#31
1/3 of prisoners in federal prisons are here illegally. Something has to be done. These girls would be alive, if Bush had the balls to enforce immigration laws.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:01 pmCould someone explain how not deporting illegal immigrants that commit crime not a good thing? In this case, had he been deported one of the 4 times he was arrested the 2 girls he hit would still be alive. Why do you feel so bad for a man that gets in a car drunk and kills? This is not a GOP or Dem issue. It’s right and wrong.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pmIf:
1) The guy enters the country and gets himself documented
2) He would have been in this country legally
3) Since he’s legally in this country, he would not want to do anything illegal for fear of being deported
4) Then he would not have been driving drunk
5) And these two girls would still be alive
Gather all the facts. Walk through it step-by-step and you can not help but come to this conclusion.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pmSimple minds think alike. See #12
Comment by miguel — April 6, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
In Japan (not exactally simple minded people), both parties in a car accident are automatically 10% at fault. Why, because if they had not been driving that day, the accident would not have happened.
As Miagi-san said “Best way to avoid punch, not be there”
April 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThis is all part of the war on Easter, O’Lielly.
In fact, word on the street is Cheney shot him in the face this morning.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmCould someone explain how not deporting illegal immigrants that commit crime not a good thing? In this case, had he been deported one of the 4 times he was arrested the 2 girls he hit would still be alive. Why do you feel so bad for a man that gets in a car drunk and kills? This is not a GOP or Dem issue. It’s right and wrong.
I couldn’t agree more, it make no sense to allow people to stay in a country that they have no right to be in if they won’t abide by the law.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAnd if an illegal immigrant helps someone out of a burning building that must mean that illegal immigration is a good thing right? It’s faulty logic. Get over it.
When that happens we can cross that bridge.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI agree, we should deport every illegal alien immediately. Where are all these people hiding during the day?
April 6th, 2007 at 2:11 pmOne can only assume that the illegal immigrant had a job, so if there were no jobs available for undocumented workers, they wouldn’t come here, wouldn’t have money to get alchohol or buy a car.
The real issue with immigration is that fact that there are jobs available for them. Take away their reason for coming here, and they will cease coming.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIt’s been mentioned before that GOP ReichWingNut ChristoFascistTerrorists back the complete deportation of ALL illegal aliens.
Further, they are completely 100 percent willing, and dare we say happy, to absorb the increased cost of food production, restaurant labor, factory services, house cleaning, and all those other menial labor jobs.
It turns out that they, the GOP ReichWingNut ChristoFascistTerrorists, are perfectly qualified and happy to perform themselves these very jobs. It’s a good “fit” between labor and the demand for labor.
Right?
H**l, screw that! Let’s go invade a country that had nothing to do with the events of 9/11! Ya. That the ticket.
/sarcasm
Geez. So much for compassionate konservatism.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pmOne can only assume that the illegal immigrant had a job, so if there were no jobs available for undocumented workers, they wouldn’t come here, wouldn’t have money to get alchohol or buy a car.
The real issue with immigration is that fact that there are jobs available for them. Take away their reason for coming here, and they will cease coming.
I agree, I also think the anchor baby loophole needs to be taken out. Illegals come here and have kids and then get free welfare and healthcare because their kids are citizens.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:18 pmO’Lielly does not apologize. He knows his argument was wrong-headed but he won’t admit it — he just yells louder.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pmHe lost sight of the families involved, focusing as he always does on Bill-o, himself.
The citizenship status of the driver is entirely irrelevant to the tragic story, but O’Lielly wanted to exploit it for his own purposes.
He’s a blowhard, an egomaniac with a TV show.
Further, they are completely 100 percent willing, and dare we say happy, to absorb the increased cost of food production, restaurant labor, factory services, house cleaning, and all those other menial labor jobs.
If illegals did not come here and drive down the wages for said jobs, many more people would be willing to do the work. I have no problem paying a little extra, knowing that costs will drop at hospitals because of all the free healthcare that they recieve and we pay for.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThis thread is not about the pros and cons of illegal aliens in this country. It’s about a grieving parent saying how disrespectful BO is for pushing the illegal immigrant portion of this tragedy.
I won’t defend this drunk driver and I won’t defend the system that’s allowed him to stay in this country legally. It’s the same system that gives legal citizens third, fourth and more chances when it comes to drunk driving and only after a similiar end result does the public get upset.
There is a valid argument for the need for these immigrants in this country. I have yet to see one single valid argument for allowing drunk drivers.
Stay focused. You’ll have many other threads to vent on illegals.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:21 pmTo all you O’Lielly fans. The immigration point is faulty. Because what you are saying in that it’s OK to drive drunk unless you are an illegal immigrant… If 2 of the 478 people killed by Drunk Drivers in VA last month, I could make the case that you are more likely to be killed Citizen, than an illegal immigrant.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI’ll say it again…
GOP - the party of disrespect
April 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pmI haven’t failed to consider that. But this accident is about drunk driving… not illegal immigration. The fact that the driver was an immigrant is irrelevant. You can understand why it would be irrelevant if an illegal immigrant saved a person, so you should understand why it’s irrelevant in this case. They are separate issues and O’Reilly is trying to link them. The issue of what should be done with illegal immigrants is not linked to drunk driving. If it is then it’s also relevant to talk about any/all of the benefits that these immigrants bring to the country. You may not be aware of them, or you don’t care about them because they are here illegally. But the problem with what happened here is that a driver was drunk & killed someone. If that driver was a homosexual I guess O’Reilly would say this is definite proof that homosexuality is a bad thing. If this person had just left the hospital after his gf had an abortion then O’Reilly could say that abortions lead to death… it’s faulty logic. Argue your opinions of illegal immigrants separate from drunk driving and you’ll do the country a service.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:26 pm#30,
It must be wonderful to be so naive. You think that Mexicans come here and find jobs. Have you ever considered that the Mexicans are actually brought here by the corporations?
Now, go support the corporations that are illegally importing Mexican labor like a good American:
April 6th, 2007 at 2:29 pm- McDonalds
- WalMart
- Coca Cola
- Pepsico
- Cargill
- Dell
- etc…
And if he would not have been here legally, he never would have gotten drunk and drove. So the girls would still be alive.
Comment by rabidbunny
Actually no, if someone hadn’t given him a job he wouldn’t have a car or been able to purchase liquor now would he?
We need to go after people who hire illegals.
Now if you are putting his illegal status before his drunk driving we should send him back to mexico and not charge him for the death of two girls?
Think about it.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pmYes, this thread is about immigration. The ugly side of it. The exploitation of immigrants for political and profit motives. It’s the big elephant in the room that Americans, including progressives, ignore meticulously.
Love to have them cleaning rooms and picking fruit and doing hazardous jobs, just don’t want them living next door or in plain view. Out of sight, out of mind.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pmTP never has debate. It will not have a thread discussing this issue because they know the progressives are wrong on this one. They would rather point a finger at BillO and not the issue.
No one is overlooking the dunk driving. But had this guy been thrown in jail and deported the first time he was caught drunk driving. If he had the girls in this case would be alive. The City let this guy go and he got in a car drunk and killed people. That’s the issue
April 6th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGOP – the party of disrespect
Not to mention the party of ‘party over people’ but that’s another story for another thread.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:35 pmHow about this? Had he not been drunk and just lost control of the car would you feel different? If he was deported, it wouldn’t matter if he was drunk or not. He should have been deported after he was arrested.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:39 pmYes, this thread is about immigration. The ugly side of it. The exploitation of immigrants for political and profit motives. It’s the big elephant in the room that Americans, including progressives, ignore meticulously.
Love to have them cleaning rooms and picking fruit and doing hazardous jobs, just don’t want them living next door or in plain view. Out of sight, out of mind.
Comment by protagonist
Scary isn’t it? Out of sight out of mind hits the nail on the head of the general thinking of our population. Someone earlier on here made the point if he was here legally the girls would still be dead so I don’t entirely agree this issue as it pertains to this topic is immigration, but it nonetheless IS an issue and at some point it needs to be addressed.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pmNo one wants to stop legal immigration. But this illegal immigrant broke the law and should have been deported. -Kevin
Okay, I know a guy who hired some illegals to work for him, I was against it and told him so, he wanted cheap labor for more profit.
Many of his employees didn’t have documentation so he told them on friday if they didn’t have documentation he would have to fire them.
Come monday morning, amazingly, they had documentation, It was forgeries, of course, but he didn’t care, his excuse was “How am I supposed to know they were forged?”
Many companies today do not bother to research the documentation, many intentionally so.
Nevertheless I think BORe is a mind numbingly arrogant ass.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pmKevin
April 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pmBut what about all the other Drunk Drivers who have been caught multiple times, why aren’t they all dealt with more severely. What if the guy was caught multiple times driving drunk, would O’reilly have reported it. The problem with illegals is that when its starts hitting your wallet you’ll wish there was a cheaper labor force. I grew up in a republican town, my friend’s father complained about illegals, but had 5 outside mowing his lawn. You hate illegal when they drive drunk, but you love them when your burger cost a buck.
Nevertheless I think BORe is a mind numbingly arrogant ass.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Arrogant, not to mention ignorant and a pompous liar.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI have to agree with other comments. I’m tired of Billy O getting a lot of TP press time.
Pundits are idiots. They will do whatever idiot things are necessary for attention. Stop giving them the attention they crave.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pmGeraldo vs. Bill’O 2:anyone else remember when Katrina hit and Geraldo smacked Bill’O arooound when he was trying to say that BushCo was doing a ‘good job’(heckuva,if you will:)in the recovery effort?
I remember Geraldo grabbed a kid, and held him up to the camera, and SHRIEKED at BO “LOOK AT THIS BABY!!DOES THIS BABY LOOK LIKE HE’S BEING HELPED?!?!?!”
OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES…
I was in shock seeing Geraldo AND Sheperd Smith BOTH tearing into BO for his abject disregard for human life-It was wonderful, in a horrible,horrible way…
April 6th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI agree. Drunk driving should be dealt with more harshly. Most conservatives believe that. I would also say that he should not have been driving after his first DUI. The difference with this case is that the government should have shipped this person back to his own country after it was discovered he was not hear legally. If they had the 2 girls would be alive.
I am a supporter of fines for people that hire illegal immigrants. That and actively deporting illegals that commit crime.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pmMy condolences to both families. Nothing can bring back their precious children – it’s a shame they were in the way of someone who did NOT belong in the US. Did TP note the illegal alien drunk driver had just received a 90 day suspended sentence for DUI in February AFTER being arrested for drunk in public in Nov. ‘06? Too bad the “JUDGE” can’t be sued.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:04 pmIts not that the guy was illegal its that he was drunk that killed the girls, why not keep the illegals and ban alcohol sales. With our tight border security during a time of war, he could have never snuck back in, if deported right? , I just don’t like turning a personal tragedy into a soapbox.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:11 pm#49 – “I have to agree with other comments. I’m tired of Billy O getting a lot of TP press time.” Comment by JAD
But, JAD, TP has built itself on “reporting” every negative of every conservative they can find! And they do that job VERY well! If they quit tuning into Fox, they would be forced to watch more MSNBC and PBS. Besides….WHAT else would TP discuss?? The Democrat “platform“? Dems’ Plan for National Defense? Dems expansion of entitlement programs? Dems’ plans to raise taxes?
Give TP a break – they are doing the best they can with what they have tp work with…..
April 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pmMany companies today do not bother to research the documentation, many intentionally so.
Nevertheless I think BORe is a mind numbingly arrogant ass.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 6, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Under previous administration inspectors used to check for illegal workers and dissuade employers from hiring them. You never hear about that anymore under Bush. How hard would it be to enforce laws in place. Not to hard if the President’s friends didn’t all want to make bigger profits with cheap, illegal labor.
Also, shouldn’t a citizen with 4 strikes against them for drunk driving be in prison. We just had a 23 year old woman kill 6 teenagers she drove home from a bowling alley. She’s a citizen and had many drunk driving strikes against here. How about enforcing laws in place.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThey tried the whole banning alcohol thing. It didn’t work out. I ask you why not deport this guy after the second or third arrest? Or the fourth? Even if you think illegals should get a break, this guy did not.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:28 pmNevertheless I think BORe is a mind numbingly arrogant ass.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Arrogant, not to mention ignorant and a pompous liar.
Comment by CONservative — April 6, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Not to mention THIS CLOSE to being legally insane. Lucky for him Republicans can’t tell crazy when they see it.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAgreed. She should have been in jail after the second offence. First offence, lose your license for a year. Second Jail time. Third, More time in jail and no license ever. Any offence after that they never see the light of day again.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pmComment by valiant venus — April 6, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
I see you’re your usual bundle of sweetness today. If you think TP is so negative why are you here? I don’t recall a poster ever saying where is vv? Feel free to move on to some blog where people only report the positives on Republicans. There’s still about 29% of you left so you should be able to find somebody you can relate to. I’m sure they’ll love you as much as we do.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pmHow many people die from drunk drivers per year? This story would have never made the headline in a single paper (except maybe the local paper)had it not been an illegal immigrant.
Cry all you want about illegal immigrants, the drunks will still be with us, taking the lives of innocent people. Lets deport alcoholics too. j/k
April 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pmCan TP please not give Bill-O the time of day? Pretty please????
Agreed. This episode, whilst further demonstrating the assholiness of Big O, is trivial, news-wise. When I ask conservative relatives to read TP, they’ll look at this and say, THIS IS JUST LIBERAL NAME-CALLING, and tune out, rather than paying attention to the many serious facts posted here. C’mon, let’s have a sense of proportion. When the mainstream propagand
April 6th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThis grieving father is obviously a card-carrying member of the Secular Progressives. Why else would he cut through the crap and call O’Irrelevant disrespectful? And who does he think he is, passing judgment on Billo, whose job it is to pass judgment on all others?
So the mayor and the police force are the villians, eh, Billo? THEY are supposed to perform immigration enforcement now, or face the wrath of O’Irrelevant. What a pathetic joke!
Two more deaths because of a drunk driver-this is tragic and horrid, no matter who the drunk was. But to try to twist and wring political points out of this tragedy exposes O’Irrelevant for the inhuman subject he is.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:48 pm#60 – How many people die from drunk drivers per year? This story would have never made the headline in a single paper (except maybe the local paper)had it not been an illegal immigrant.
Cry all you want about illegal immigrants, the drunks will still be with us, taking the lives of innocent people. Lets deport alcoholics too.
Excellent points!
How about this? Just how disingenuous are these ReichWingNutBalls and ChristoFascistTerrorists? Well, consider this:
Since the events of 9/11 over 150,000 people in the US have been killed by handguns. You know, killed as in dead.
Since the events of 9/11 over 200,000 people in the US have died in automobile accidents.
What do ReichWingNuts concentrate on?
Where is the cry and outrage and calls from the GOP for a War on HandGuns? Where is their legislation to implement a War on Automobiles?
Think about it.
All ChristoFascistTerrorists know are wedge issues. Nothing ever of substance. In otherwords, GOP boot lickers are airheads!
April 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pmO’Reilly Once Again Setting The Bar For Reason……
…By Imploding On The “No Sanity Factor”…
April 6th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThe railroad and canal system in this country was built on the backs of illegal immigrants from Ireland, Italy and China. In all probability, BO’s roots exist in groups of those illegal’s or in the Irish mafia that settled parts of Massachusetts. These illegals were given general amnesty and easier citizenship during WWI so armed forces could be built and industry, manned.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThe comments are such fun reading. Thanks.
I will agree with those who say that if this person had been deported after 1, 2, 3 or 4 DUIs, then they’d never be driving drunk. However, the illegal status of the driver was not a factor in the accident. Booze was a factor in the accident. Booze is a factor in far too many accidents. Booze is a factor in far too many deaths.
A bigger factor in this case than the immigration status is the leniency with which the courts treat drunk drivers. Why isn’t Mr. O’Reilly screaming about lenient, left-wing, activist judges, or is that what’s next?
I was saddened to see Mr. Tranchant, in what is surely one of the worst times in his life, trying to bring the topic back to drunk driving after it had been hijacked by Mr. O’Reilly’s hatred of illegal immigrants.
With all my love,
Aunty Em
http://auntyemsplace.blogspot.com/
April 6th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThe guns just jump up and shoot people. No one fired the gun. How about how many folks killed by hammers and other house hold tools. You blame the tools and not the people reasonable. That’s the progressive way.
All ChristoFascistTerrorists know are wedge issues. Nothing ever of substance. In otherwords, GOP boot lickers are airheads!
Comment by JesusChrist_GodofWAR — April 6, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
April 6th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
This thread and the other show the true division in the nation. So we have a religious/oil war in the mid east and a brewing race war here in the US. So that must be the reason for all of the camps here! May the most heavily armed win! Ding
April 6th, 2007 at 4:39 pmSaywho sad but true. Most who post here though are the more fervent on both sides. There are areas in this country that the middle is dominant. Unfortunately it’s the extremes that drive this country.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:56 pm“Could someone explain how not deporting illegal immigrants that commit crime not a good thing?”
Who said it wasn’t a good thing? I’m looking for the post and can’t find it. You aren’t making that up, are you?
April 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pmSpoken like a true republican. Who else would twist the facts so badly to fit their argument? I guess that just makes you another lying neocon, Rabid. Did you think no one would follow your link? It clearly states the figures are for illegal and legal aliens.
And btw, 27% is closer to 1/4 than 1/3.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pm“Saywho sad but true. Most who post here though are the more fervent on both sides.”
Are you sure there are “two sides”? I don’t know anybody who thinks illegal immigration is a great thing that does not cry out for reasonable reform measures. Other than the employers of illegal immigrants (and the political supports of those companies coming from both parties and the WH), is there another side?
I don’t see other sides as much as mouth-breathers so accustomed to attacking “lib-ruls” that they create an enemy that doesn’t exist and then waste a lot of time shouting. Kind of like Bully-O.
April 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmO’Reilly is a ratings wh*re and he will do anything to make his RACIST, BIGOT, and MORNONIC audience see things his way. For those that believe this IDIOT, then God bless your continual affliction of IGNORANCE.
For those that KNOW what he is and what he is trying to do…The best ammunition we can give him is NOTHING! Without conflict and discord, he does not exist! So, to agree with some of my friends…
The BEST thing we can do is NOT give him a platform that he can spin into NONSENSE!!!
April 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by Dave C — April 6, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
They are linked….
1st Offence Drunk driving (in most states) is a felony
2nd Offence Drunk driving (in all states) is a felony
Vehicular manslaughter is a felony
Illegal Immigration is a misdemeanor currently
He was driving drunk and found to be a non citizen but was released rather than being immediately deported. This way he could stand trial for DUI. The arrest did not deter him from repeating the act again only this time he commits another felony DUI and manslaughter.
So now there are at least three crimes committed. He would also be looking at a host of lesser crimes but a second offence at DUI would require mandatory prison time. Other possible crimes would be related to insurance, taxes, fraud, multiple offenders, license, SS# and other driving infractions. All of these lesser but included crimes would also be added in.
Mind you if the immigration law was enforced at the time of the first DUI offence then it is possible and likely that the fatality/murder may not have happened at all.
It is a CRIME to enter the US without following due process. This alien starts with a bold strike by the violation of US law. In fact this can only get worse since a false person needs to be created in order to allow the alien access to protections afforded by the constitution. This decision to break the law trivializes all of the laws that this nation is built upon.
April 6th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHere is a decent article about the issues here…
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
And the companies that lure people over are blameless. And the lobbys that are representing those companies are blameless. And the bean counters that see the cost difference with hiring illegal aliens are blameless.
The drug pusher is just as guilty as the drug user.
April 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmThe biggest issue in all of this is
Divide, Conquer. All 73 of the posts are divided and your government thanks you all for being so easily conquered. Wake up America, if we don’t pull together, your government is going to take us all down, like dominoes. Are you ready for that? Immigration is a tool for anarchy by the GOP
April 6th, 2007 at 7:28 pmFor some reason, this was suppressed:
April 6th, 2007 at 8:15 pmThe railroad and canal system in this country was built on the backs of illegal immigrants from Ireland, Italy and China. In all probability, BO’s roots exist in groups of those illegal’s or in the Irish mafia that settled parts of Massachusetts. These illegals were given blanket amnesty when the need to man the warfront and factories was required in WWI.
“‘We need to heal, and to bring immigration, that’s disrespectful to a family who’s just mourning.’â€
Where in that statement does the father say Bill is disrespectful?
April 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pmChickenshit Michael:
“…Ray Tranchant said, ‘We need to heal, and to bring immigration, that’s disrespectful to a family who’s just mourning.’â€
Did you learn to read in private school?
April 6th, 2007 at 9:30 pmChickenshit Michael:
The greiving father was talking ABOUT O’Reilly.
Get it? Try to keep up.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:32 pmI have been censored twice in this thread. The comments pointed out that O’Reilly and his kin were once very likely illegal immigrants. Potato farmers from Ireland. They built the infrastructure of this country in the railroads and canals. Chinese and Italians also came into the mix. The Irish and the Chinese built the railroads and canals, the Italians, the mortar and brick. Why my comments are less offensive then O’Reilly’s eludes me. I am posting this in my facebook.com as well.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:41 pmNOT ONLY IS O’LIE-lly “disrespectful”, HE IS A RAVING COWARDLY BULLYING LUNATIC, FOAMING AT THE MOUTH LIKE THE MANGY MAD MUTT-MONGREL HE IS(CHECK OUT HIS SHOUT FEST WITH Geraldo Rivera ON AN EARLIER TP POSTING), TRYING TO SHOUT-DOWN HIS COMPETENT ADVERSARIES LIKE Geraldo WHEN HE STARTS TO LOSE HIS ARGUMENTS AND GET BITCH-SLAPPED LIKE THE SHITHEEL HE IS!!!!! O’LIE-lly, DROP DEAD YA STUPID BASTARD, AND MAY THE DIVILL TAKE YER WORTHLESS SOUL AND DROP IT INTO THE LAKE OF ETERNAL FIRE IN HADES BELOW!!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:46 amRoughly 14 people are being killed in VA everyday by drunk drivers, according to Hellinabucket. That adds up to 5329 each year,and only one illegal is responsible for only two of them! That’s an average of illegals killing .0001876 per cent. Billos crusade seems to be racist to me,picking on the one illegal driver,and not whining about the rest.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:16 amDon’t get me wrong one DUI death is way too many,no matter who’s behing the wheel. But being illegal didn’t make the man drink and drive!
If wasn’t for Ireland running out of potatoes,O’Lielly would be back in Ireland, know only by the locals as red-nosed,obnoxious drunk who got his butt whipped frequently, by young street punks from Latin America
Dear right wingers,
The Republicans have not wanted to do ANYTHING about illegal immigration
for years. It would hurt the economy, don’t you know? Kind of like how some in the Deep South rationalize the existence (and failure to end) slavery.
There is a great way to stop illegal immigration. The answer is NOT to go after individual illegal immigrants (there are way too many here already with the blessing of Corporate America). The answer is to go after the businesses that employ illegal immigrants.
The hypocrisy (or ignorance) from the right on this issue is astounding. We should not attack or blame illegals for coming to this country to seek a better life. My God, it’s what many of OUR ancestors did. We currently have a government that is (as always) protecting big business, and in the process “illegal immigrants” are being dehumanized by many Americans and middle class America is fading from existence little by little.
Fact check to see how many COMPANIES that the Bush Administration has pursued for violating illegal immigration hiring LAWS (hint : you can count them using one hand) and then compare that to the number of companies that the Clinton Administration fined and pursued for illegal hiring practices.
Please wake up soon and realize that the words that come out of the mouths of your “leaders” are nothing but propaganda.
I guess that’s all you need though to continue believing in the myth your worldview depends on.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:52 amYou folks keep missing the point. This guy’s immigration status didn’t have anything to do with his drunk driving. He was not “more drunk†because he was illegal or Mexican. Bill’s point (and he’s right) is that had he been deported after one of his four arrest, he would not have had the opportunity to get in a car drunk and the two girls would still be alive. He is not giving a free pass to drunk driving. This case is different from all the other cases because the government failed to deport a criminal that did not belong in this country. I’m not a racist. You will call me one but he could have been from anywhere. He was a criminal that should have been sent back. He wasn’t and because of that he was able to kill two teenage girls.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:28 amUsing your anology, but changing the name of the criminal,
April 7th, 2007 at 11:31 amhad Bush got drafted,and went to Viet-nam and got killed,this country wouldn’t be in the mess it is now,Right Kevin?
So Kevin, are you blaming this government for not doing it’s job? Aren’t you one of the great defenders of of this administration?
It’s ok for this administration to send 3267 of our troops into the Iraq abattoir, but you get all upset about two girls killed in the US? A little consistent, eh?
BTW, I’m not saying the deaths of those two girls isn’t a great tragedy, so don’t go there.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amYou both hate Bush so much that you make a lame attempt to tie this issue to the president. Why don’t you come up with something related to this case. Tell me how it was ok they let this guy go four times. Tell me why he shouldn’t get deported. Tell me how any illegal that gets arrested should not be deported.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pmKevin,
I don’t know why that guy was not deported. What don’t you find out?
Last time I looked, GWB was the Captain of this f*cking ship, and everything, I mean EVERYTHING this government does is to his credit or his fault.
Why aren’t you more upset about our military being used as cannon fodder? Answer that.
Why don’t you respect the father in this thread?
April 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI do respect the Father. He is in great pain because of a failure of the Virginia Beach system of letting illegals go instead of deporting them. The City’s policy is responsible for giving this criminal the opportunity to kill. And he took it.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:08 pmAs for the military. I hope they all come home safe. I pray that they can do what they need to do to accomplish the mission and come home safely. But you seem to think they are cannon fodder. I say they are noble men and women that helped free a people. A people that still need some help. Has the war gone will. No. Has it been handled correctly. again, no. Do you give up and walk out on people who we helped vote in a free election. No. If we can offer security to this country so it’s leaders can stabilize and protect it’s own people don’t you think that’s a worthy cause. Stop hating the Iraqi people.
Kevin,
You live in a dream world.
Our troops are noble and honorable men and women, who have been sent into an unjust war — that’s unforgiveable. Our continued presence in Iraq gives the Shites and Sunnis all the reason they need, as if they need any reason, to keep killing each other. We are not making any progress in in Iraq — hence your dream world. The leaders in Iraq have no motivation to stabilize anything.
F*ck you Kevin, if you think I hate the Iraqi people. That’s the end of this futile debate.
Are your children old enough to serve? Would you happily send them to Iraq to fight this war? My children are old enough to serve, but thankfully they have done their research and realize this war is a lie — a fictional war — and not worth a single life, American or Iraqi.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:37 pmZooey,
You live in a nightmare. You don’t think the people of Iraq voting in a free election is a good thing. You believe that they would be better off with Sadom. I agree with you that the war was not planned well but we are doing a good thing. Stop blaming America and start blaming people that setup IADs and blow up public markets. And If I had kids that wanted to go and stop evil people from killing innocent people that only crime is going to work on a Tuesday morning, I would be proud of them.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:11 pmThere’s no help for you, Kevin.
Maybe one day you will wake up, or not.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI hope you wake up as well.
April 7th, 2007 at 4:27 pmBelieve me, Kevin, I’ve been wide awake since I heard the name George W. Bush as a candidate for president. It’s been a long, hard fight — you’re just not aware of it.
April 7th, 2007 at 5:55 pmYou have learned to hate a man and are willing to sell out the country because of it. I read TP every day and most of the post are just nothing but hate for Bush. This story didn’t have anything to do with Bush and you changed it to a bash Bush line. I don’t agree with a lot of what the Presidents has done. But you folks don’t look past the hate and look at what is best and right for the country. And getting out of Iraq before the job is done is wrong.
April 7th, 2007 at 6:39 pmKevin,
Where is Osama bin Ladin?
April 7th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThey’re here illegally! They’re here illegally!
Gag me. A law that cannot be enforced is a bad law.
April 7th, 2007 at 6:56 pmHow does this alien obtain a license? How does he get insurance? I’m a citizen and I just renewed my license. I had to bring a stack of proof as to who I am, pay money, wait for 1/2 a day and comb my hair for 4 more years and an RFI chip. I don’t drive drunk and in fact I don’t drink. I can barely afford my monthly expenses and I can inform you that my auto insurance has never been so high while I have ZERO points.
Citizens pay for the aliens in all sorts of ways. Here we are looking at several laws that are completely trivialized. Aliens aren’t deported, aliens can do as they please then the citizens are treated like sheep, herded into lines and fleeced for what little money we have. No health insurance, rotted teeth, pain, job loss and benefit loss.
Now two children are killed while the system to protect them was killed off long ago. Employers are encouraged to use aliens as indentured servants. The whole thing is quite insane. Here we are in another war that is to allow us to feel revenge for 9-11. We don’t even know the truth about that disaster but many assume way too much.
Everything is upside down in the world and has been for a great long while.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:43 pmThis ALIEN offended than Reoffended and we can assume he was driving on the revoke list as well. You can have all the driving laws you want but aliens are similar to foreigner diplomats clutching IMUNITY. Tougher driving laws for aliens would be fantastic. Limit them to walking. Force them to wait till they are legal just like all the citizens must wait till they are 17-18. Wow, here is an idea; DEPORT aliens any time they are found out!
April 7th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI don’t know. He started to hide better after he pissed off a president that was willing to shoot him.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:59 pmIt has not been enforced. That does not mean that it can not. And even if it couldn’t, you pass laws to do the right thing.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI don’t know. He started to hide better after he pissed off a president that was willing to shoot him.
Comment by Kevin
Wrong. Bush isn’t thinking about OBL, let alone looking for him. Bush pulled back our forces at Tora Bora when they were about to move in on OBL. Hmmmm, I wonder why? Maybe Bush needed a big old boogie man out there so he could dismantle our Constitutional rights, and keep ya’ll fearful that the terrorists were going to kill you in your bed.
Worked, didn’t it?
I’m done with you, Kevin. You are a determined bed-wetter.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:18 pmWhat “worked” was some jets flying into stuff in the US. And I’m done with you.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pmHere’s a better idea. Take it to the frickin’ companies
who keep on hiring illegal immigrants. They’ve been doing it for decades, and this behavior obviously makes it appealing for people to come here illegally when they KNOW they can get work.
Don’t blame them for trying to better their lives. Our ancestors did it. If the COMPANIES did not hire them so excessively, word would not get back that work could be found, and a lot of the problem would be solved going forward without having to take each case individually and deport individuals one at a time.
Why do Republicans NEVER seem to understand that Corporate America is just fine with illegal immigrants being here (our stock market is propped up in some sectors based on their low wages), and thus SO IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!
April 7th, 2007 at 9:04 pmKevin,
If you support what the Bush Administration has done to OUR country over the past six years, it is YOU who has sold out our country (Zooey is defending it rather well from the likes of you).
It is THIS administration who has a President who took an oath to uphold the Constitution but thinks “it’s just a g*dd*am piece of paper”. It is this president and his administration which has fundamentally shifted the very basic idea of what it MEANS to be an American and what rights and liberties come with being an American.
It is YOU who have scared yourself to death irrationally since the events of 9/11 and are willing to sell out our nation. It is THIS administration which does not believe in co-equal branches of government, but a unitary executive theory which has NO place in American society. The list is endless and you are in denial. If a democratic president had so radically seized control of this country and changed the basic principles of what it means to be an American and the rights and liberties that lie therein, WE would be right by your side fighting against said president.
Our country has become a shadow of the greatness it once represented to the world and to many Americans. Many Americans somehow rationalize torture now as official policy??! I can’t even believe how much we’ve changed as a nation, and it is not the majority of individuals posting on this website that have allowed this to happen.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:18 pmForth time I posted this in this thread, three deletes! So far:
April 7th, 2007 at 9:49 pmBill O’Reilly and his kin were once very likely illegal immigrants. Potato farmers from Ireland? They built the infrastructure of this country in the railroads and canals. Chinese and Italians also came into the mix. The Irish and the Chinese built the railroads and canals, the Italians, the mortar and brick.
Why my comments are less offensive then O’Reilly’s eludes me.
Hi, its me.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:53 pm#18 No, it is not a good thing regarless. Here is what people fail to concider. Every illegal immigrant has already violated the law. They are, but their being here, criminals.
Jackass, everytime you walk across a street without being at a marked crosswalk you are breaking the law. Would you say the same crap if a convicted jaywalker then killed someone in a DUI accident? Der.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:59 pmComment by Stay out of the Bushes — April 7, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
That would have to be a large part of the “FIX” but then an even larger part of the fix will be clearing house in DC. Businesses and corporations lobby the politicians and more cheap labor. The businesses are as deceptive as the politicians.
I would not blame aliens that obey the law and become LEGAL ALIENS but the ones that choose to BREAK THE LAW should be forever blocked if they are found. My relations came to Ellis Island long ago the LEGAL way.
Then you never mentioned the war zones in California. It is a fact that some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. They slip through the cracks since most have fake IDs. Here I can post a link to some ###s to back that claim up. For the greater good and for sanity they have to go!!!
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/02/mexican_smugglers_create_us_bo.html
April 7th, 2007 at 10:02 pmComment by JPark — April 7, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
He should get busted for J-Walking then you moronic turd blossom. Tell you what bozo the alien could get popped for J-Walking and simply split. A citizen would have that on his record.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:09 pmMy posts on O’Reilly’s heritage in this thread are overlaid. Does anyone understand the process? There are multiple copies of this thread (Seemingly three) and which one is foremost is controlled by TP. This is why posts come and go with apparent randomness.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:33 pmI Have been to decipher events thus far:
My post # 64, Preceeded by JesusChristGodOfWar’s post at 3:50 PM 4/6/2007 was replaced. It had been followed by other posts before being overlaid.
My post # 75, Preceeded by hellinabucket’s post at 6:02 PM 4/6/2007 was replaced. It had been followed by other posts before being overlaid.
After that, it was total chaos. Both my post # 79 and Zooey’s post # 78 befor it disappeared into the ether. There were about six other posts that disappeared as well during the chaos period.
I have text images of the threads and plan to switch to rtf in order to carry the numbering sequences.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:10 pmComment by WaltTheMan — April 7, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
It would be better for everybody if TP started using message board or forum software like phpBB. All posters would have to register, the database system is better and posters could reply to selected posts.
Oh well
April 7th, 2007 at 11:22 pmStay out of the Bushes
Two good essays.
April 8th, 2007 at 2:12 amSaywho,
The laws are already in place.
The Bush Administration has every right to go after these corporations through a variety of means at their disposal (like Clinton did). Bush’s Labor Dept., FBI, there are several different methods at his Administration’s disposal. It’s already “illegal”, as everyone here well knows. The “politicians”, if you’re referring to our Congresscritters, cannot enforce law; they make it (and Bush MIGHT sign it).
I do agree with you that the majority of our politicians are bought and paid for by Big Business. It’s just that one party has sold out quite a bit more than another. By a LONGSHOT.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:13 amRe: My above post.
How can people (of both parties) not be in favor of publicly financed campaigns?
In light of everything that’s been going on and the extent to which our politicians ARE bought and paid for by Big Business, we should come together, AS AMERICANS, and get this passed.
ASAP!
April 8th, 2007 at 9:17 amComment by Stay out of the Bushes — April 8, 2007 @ 9:17 am
My view is a tad bit different:
1) We need to end the two party system. We tend to vote along party lines and this cuts available candidates down by 30%. No group is free from group think and this is the true disaster of party politics. In general Dems & Repubs need the same thing but group think allows corruption more flesh to grab in a party system.
2) We need to set term limits for all of congress like that of the president. This is important in many ways. Congress persons over time develop relationships with lobbyists. Over time they will enjoy more and more financial reward from those lobbyists. If limits are imposed then more men and women will get a chance to serve the nation as a matter of duty rather than out of greed for power or money. Term limits will also limit the amount of damage lobbyists can do since like the terms the relationships are limited in time too.
3) Repeal all laws that damage the Bill of Rights. The idea that congress voted on a “Secret Bill” is INSANE. The balance of power needs to be restored if we are going to move on with the same system of government. It should be difficult for congress to make a law not easy. The executive should consider the weight of a bill before he accepts it or rejects it since passing a law is serious. No citizen should be compelled by law to be a patriot in name or actions.
4) We need to eliminate the money that is supplied to aliens but the laws do not penalize corporations and businesses enough. Businesses determine if the penalty for being in violation is lesser or greater than the expense of employing citizens. Americans loose and in fact pay for the aliens as well. These violators need to be closed down.
5) We have to shut the borders to protect the nation from attack, gangs, smuggling, disease outbreak, wage warfare, invasion and many other problematic items. Our patrols need to be able to deport aliens who gang bang, smuggle, break serious laws and those factors need to curtail that individual future access to the USA.
There is so much more that is needed and even possible but we would have to accept the limits of reality. Our desire for cheap goods, cheap energy and quick profit has destroyed our chances for long term survival.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:56 pm