Doug Feith Responds With ‘Naked Incoherence’ To Evidence That He Manipulated Iraq Intel
Doug Feith Responds With ‘Naked Incoherence’ To Evidence That He Manipulated Iraq Intel
Yesterday, the Washington Post reported on a declassified Pentagon Inspector General report which said that captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations have “all confirmed” that Saddam was not directly cooperating with al Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The report provided further evidence of the manipulation of intelligence by the Bush administration and then-Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith.
Feith has responded on his personal website, claiming the Pentagon Inspector General was “poorly informed and illogical.” Feith reacts to the claims that he exaggerated a relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda by hiding behind CIA Director George Tenet. Feith notes that Tenet wrote a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Oct. 7, 2002 suggesting such a relationship.
But in his incoherent and rambling response, Feith acknowledges that the CIA largely tended to “deny or downplay” Iraq-al Qaeda connections before the war:
“Tenet’s account was influential in the Bush administration. Officials from every agency – including myself – accepted it. It had special credibility – at least as far as it went – because CIA and DIA analysts tended to deny or downplay information about Iraq-al Qaida connections. They favored a theory that the secular Baathists of the Saddam Hussein regime would not want links of any kind with the religious extremists of al Qaida. They would not acknowledge such links if they could possibly find a way to dismiss the underlying information. So the Tenet letter was seen as a grudging admission by those CIA and DIA analysts.”
The CIA reported in June 2002 that there were “no conclusive signs of cooperation on specific terrorist operations” between Iraq and al Qaeda. Why Tenet deviated from this analysis is not known. Recall, Tenet was awarded a medal of freedom by President Bush months later.
It’s ironic that Feith claims he was duped by Tenet’s letter. After all, Feith has been suggesting that the intelligence stovepipes he set up in the Defense Department were part of an effort to question the CIA’s judgments. It appears Feith only questioned the CIA when they were putting out analyses that didn’t match his imaginary theories of an al Qaeda-Iraq relationship.
Feith concludes his rebuttal by noting he is happy that the Pentagon IG report is declassified. He writes, “The public can now view the whole argument in all its naked incoherence.” Indeed.
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Have no ‘faith’ in Doug.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmOne small correction, Tenet was awarded a “Presidential Medal of Freedom” NOT a “Congressional Medal of Honor”.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmDouglas Feith is staring into the yawning maw of a naked singularity.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThanks Attaturk, made the change.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmEither feith is a consumate liar or he is one sick puppy. I tend to lean towards the former.
April 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmFor the IG report, the 2002 Feith slide presentation, the Robb-Silberman Commission report, the Senate Intel Committee report, the Downing Street Memos, the Iraq Survey Group findings on WMD and more, visit:
April 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pm“The Iraq Document Center.”
He needs to be stripped naked and put in a public square.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmNothing less than:
IMPRISONMENT
IMPOVERISHMENT
and possibly even
THE DEATH PENALTY
should be in Feith’s (and ALL co-conspirators in perpetrating this fraudulent invasion and occupation)…
…future(s)…
…Do you realize how many people Feith, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Murdoch et al…
…are responsible for MURDERING?
…If the American people do not bring these criminals to justice…
…their Karma will visit disaster and suffering (a thousand-fold that of her victims)…
…upon their families and homes…
April 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pm“One of the signs of personal strength is that we take blame for what we do wrong. The other sign is that we take credit for what we do right. We do not alienate our power by assigning it to somone else… Strong people are comfortable in recognizing their own power… ”
–Sherwin T. Wine
That makes Feith another neocon wimp…
April 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pmHey Feith,
How does that trickle of cold sweat running down your back feel?
Uh huh, naked incoherence…..
April 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmCongress will tip toe, side step, sweep aside and dance around this issue, until finally it becomes the focus of the impeachment hearings.
Republicans say Bush has committed no crime.
But he has.
He committed a crime when he manipulated classified material to say something other than what it actually said, and then in presenting it to the American people as proof of why we should invade Iraq.
All the other stuff, Gonzales and the Attorney scandal, the cronisim, the scandals, are all peripheral.
This one thing, manipulating intelligence to trick the US into a war, will be the one that he gets impeached for.
Its the bitch of the bunch.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmCaption Contest:
This is how I hold Dubyas ass before sliding my tongue in.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pmCaption Contest:
In order to lie like this you need some really big balls
April 7th, 2007 at 1:18 pmOh Geesh, what a website. When can we arrest this guy. Long live Amerika. I give up!
PJ
Colossians 3:23
April 7th, 2007 at 1:24 pmFeith just admitted what he did wrong: read the bold text, and that’s a vivid illustration of the elsewhere-affirmed doctrine that “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”. Intelligent analysts and politicians would do well to decisively put down this doctrine.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pmTommy Franks got this one right when he said this about Feith: “I have to deal with the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth almost every day.”
April 7th, 2007 at 1:26 pmHow much more obvious does this need to get before this guy is investigated?
Caption Contest:
Those jerks at the CIA just don’t get it. Sometimes I just want to wring their necks like this!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:28 pmMaybe they are following the principle of Goebbels(the nazi propaganda minister) “if you lie over and over again, it would eventually become the truth.”
April 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmRead the website; it’s hilarious. First he says that the IG was wrong in his assessment, then he criticizes Levin for taking the word “inappopriate” out of context from the report. In one case he slams the report, and in the other, Levin, for taking the report out of context. Either the report has validity, or it doesn’t. Feith is trying to say that the report is wrong, and even if it isn’t, Levin is taking it out of context.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThis is the same Doug Feith who was, perhaps rightly, styled by Tommy Franks “the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth” (The Condensed Bob Woodward).
April 7th, 2007 at 1:30 pmCaption Contest:
This is how I hold Dubyas ass before sliding my tongue in.
Comment by Wow
Nasty,yet funny,and soooo apropos.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:32 pmCaption Contest:
I have to keep waving my hands so they don’t see I crapped my pants.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pmDoug Feith, with George Tenet in the foreground: “‘Twas just a little white lie; you know, a little “tweaking here and there”. Who would have imagined that THIS little white lie & tweaking exercise is responsible for 3200 murders of innocent soldiers who “went to war based on this little white lie”?? I call it genocide myself. What else can one call it? Intentional murder or genocide – and Tenet, Feith, and the entire Bush-league Administration need to be held accountable for the untimely deaths of all of these young people….not to mention the “maiming” of some 25,000 and rapidly climbing.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:36 pmCongress now needs to subpoena them all on this one – and immediately before the american people get very angry and begin to demonstrate against them as well. It’s over for the Bushies, the administration, and the GOP. Time to begin brining these criminals who trampled the laws of this country and wiped their asses with the constitution to the justice they so rightly deserve.
Subpoena Tenet, Feith, Cheney, Bush, Rice and any other PNAC member who had their “dirty fingers” in on this pie!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pmCaption: Feith’s mouth uttering “’twas just an itsy-bitsy teeny-weeny white lie” while his hands are telling the story, like a hula dancer at a luau…..check out the size of the white lie he is painting with his hands. Body language tells it all. This guy is cooked!!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:39 pmWhere did Bush dig up all of these crooks, liars, misanthroped, neonazis and fascists anyway?
April 7th, 2007 at 1:40 pmAs Gen. Tommy Franks said about Douggie Feith: “I have to deal with the f–king stupidest guy on the face of the earth almost every day.”
April 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pmFeith and the Neo-Cons are a bunch of racist, treasonous, Jewish supremacist Zionists who want US Blacks, Latinos and poor, White, small-town trailor park trash to kill Arabs and Muslims and get killed themselves for the benefit of the fake state of Israel.
The Dems will never do anything about their crimes against humanity because they would have to oppose and expose AIPAC and the Israel firsters, who are their lords and masters. They also rule the Repugs.
Real Right-wingers with a capital “R” (as in Ruby Ridge) and Christains like Pat Buchanan do not grovel on their knees to the Zionist traitors; unlike Bush, Cheney, Newt, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc.
Read the Real Right-wing, anti-war expose of the Neo Con Zionist traitors:
http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html
April 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pm#9 You got it! The sign of strength is, indeed, the ability to take responsibility for EVERYTHING which fall within your purview and has your fingerprints on it. This country has always been respected because of this ability and strength; that is, until crooked Bush came along. He’s slimed our laws, spat in the face of our constitution, and continues to swagger around like some demented, schoolyard bully. Except this time, he’s not swaggering and bullying a foreign power; this time, he’s swaggering and bullying the people who employ him – the people who pay his salary – (I can’t say: the people who elected him because we KNOW, without a doubt now, that he stole both elections – Jebbie did his dirtywork along with Katherine Harris in Florida in 2000 – Bob Bennett and Ken Blackwell, along with the scheming Diebold did the dirtywork in Ohio).
Bush’s pissing contest with Congress who absolutely DO represent the will of the people as well as his reprehensible continuous bullying of the people from his personal “bully pulpit” has made him loathed by a majority of his own people, repudiated and repulsed in every foreign country like a pariah, and the worst president ever in american history.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAll these lies….all this manipulation….what for? We now know the sad, ugly truth that it was all to line the pockets of our fascist government (elected officials and corporations) in the name of war profiteering on the backs and at the expense of the american people. These guys are hardened criminals.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pmAnd who was the key aid in charge of Iraqi contracts in Feith’s office??
April 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmChristopher Henry…former senior vice president at SAIC.
And what’s SAIC??? The largest government contractor most people have never heard of.Science Applications International Corporation.
Read Barlett and Steele’s article in the March issue of Vanity Fair ( it’s online). It explains a lot about how we got into this disaster in Iraq.
and the worst president ever in american history.
Comment by veritas — April 7, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
I bought a new book on quotes last week. The guy who assembled them is hilarious – but also picked some very political ones (he’s written anti-Bush books as well). The guy who said that is the guy who founded the first version of a group that is basically “Jews for Atheism” (they don’t believe in god, but practice the rituals of the religion/ hertitage for their cultural sake). It seemed appropriate and applicable to any neocon. He’s just the first one TP posted about since I read the quote : ). They truly are a party of blame and weakness.
So, if the shoe fits – it’s only because they picked them out, bought them, wore them, and kicked the dog (aka American people) with them themselves… I’m just wondering when the dog is going to get angry enough to bite the shit our of the little boys kicking him… Odd what We the People are tolerating…
April 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pm*
April 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pmhey FAIZ – saw you on OLBERMANN last night!
that’s big time!!! … good for you and good job!
:-)
– [Bob] Bennett and Ken Blackwell,…
Comment by veritas
Veritas,do you mean Bill Bennett.
April 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI can see that gambling slob chin deep in corruption;his brother Bob-not so much.
“Feith-based administration” of smoke & mirros and imaginary enemies. The PNAC and these guys have been playing “dungeons and dragons” far too long. Fantasyland = Bush’s white house.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:01 pmDoug Feith just wrote the script that Bush/Cheney wanted written. Tenet was a wuss because he couldn’t or wouldn’t stand up. He let the CIA be corrupted and allowed a secret government arm to run the conspiracy. A boatload of folks are responsible for the worst political cabal in American History. Fold up this tent and start over.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:15 pm“Naked incoherence” pretty well describes the whole Neocon gang.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:16 pmDouglas Feith is a traitor. He works for a foreign power, Israel. Feith is not at all interested in the interests of the American people. He is an extreme rightwing Likudnik who is only interested in defending Israel. He lied about Iraq because the Israeli government told him to.
Feith is like Americans who supported Hitler in the 30’s. You know, people like Prescott Bush.
The sooner he is arrested and tried for treason, the better.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:35 pmhe is the norm. it is so obvious now that people that were only extreme could have a chance of surviving this admin. only people willing to commit crimes have managed to continue over time, and what seems to be an overwhelming percentage of these “its” due to war profit or religious motive. let us look at every one of the ones that are hanging on. the religious incompetents are in bushwa’s list, the war criminal/profiteers, are all in dickshot’s sphere. the common connector is so common that it is amazing. both groups act as though they are totally ignorant and that it doesn’t matter. they know they are wrong, or are obviously mentally ill people. there is no middle ground here. I never noticed it before. they just don’t care what they are told to say, or what they believe. Bolton tells John Stewart that history is totally wrong about Lincoln. he must know he is wrong or he is an idiot. cheney says al caca was saddam’s mens club all along, he seems smart enough to be able to label on this one, he is wrong and lying about it. Abu, seems to have only one qualification as an attorney, willingness to subvert justice for anyone that asks. Goodling, this is another example of the same format, without knowing much about her. she is either lying, and idiot, or ordered to do things she knows are illegal. she clearly knows the latter now, hence the resignation. could this be because reality and legal charges are the only thing that brings them out of the coma that they operate under by doing their majesty’s bidding? Feith, clearly an idiot that cares nothing about fact. he says things that are so clearly idiotic, he must be a star among these people. only indictment or loss of employment is going to make these sycophants realize that drugs wear off, and it really may be surprised about why it is going to prison. the only ones that seem to understand they are going to prison during of after the tenure are the dick and rover. miers is clearly a vegetable that has long since given up her identity to be the president’s lawwhore yesmouth. abu seems the same?
anyone follow me? I doubt my assumptions are unique, but there is clearly a pattern to any rational person’s continuing disbelief at what they are willing to say and do. there are those few things that we may be able to conclude about their assumptions. 1. that the news media does not matter, statements do not require any truth, ever. 2. they have some “protection” that means nothing else matters.
I am scared because it seems similar to a meat cult suicide club in many ways. I have never heard of grown people whose jobs are important to all people in the world, be so wacked out on religion, drugs or willing to abandon all logic to be rule by a madman, and bent on destroying another. even the comparison to adolf is starting to get strained. so, look for the end of the world club to act before they are taken away in chains. for those of us that are afraid of all religions for their stupidity, this is the first indicator that we are all screwed. when so many polls say that the people of this world think in increasing numbers, that god is all that is of value, and killing for it is just fine, you know where we are headed. this grand experiment is nearly over my fellow humanity. for we have learned nothing because of those that fear our doing so would compromise their ability to control us. I really think some would prefer the end of he world to an orange jumpsuit
it’s been a gas, hope the next dimension is fun.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:58 pmFaiz – I thought Progs liked when the US ‘coopersted” with the “world community”? So it wasn’t a good thing the EU had the same info? And that wasn’t President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Nancy pelosi etal, who relied on the same information??? Don’t look now, Faiz, I think this horse is DEAD….
April 7th, 2007 at 3:02 pmBernarda sweeping statement: ” He is an extreme rightwing Likudnik who is only interested in defending Israel.” You mean like Bill andHillary Clinton and John Kerry?
April 7th, 2007 at 3:05 pmFaiz – I thought Progs liked when the US ‘coopersted†with the “world communityâ€?
What’s a “coopersted?”
It figures; putting up a thread titled “naked incoherence” is like calling a hog to slop: Ma couldn’t resist.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:11 pmYou mean like Bill andHillary Clinton and John Kerry?
Comment by valiant venus — April 7, 2007
Who didn’t cherry-pick intel to start a war of choice – or did you forget that part?
April 7th, 2007 at 3:12 pmApril 7th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Thanks Katy (#29), appreciate it. Countdown is a great show, and it was nice of them to give me the opportunity.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:50 pmthese treasonous neo-cons are going to get away with this shit. and that is just the begining. they will spend time off in their think tanks until there is next chance to persue israeli interests and screw america.
April 7th, 2007 at 3:57 pmMighty Hagette,
Oh dear, Faiz has once again acknowldeged katy’s well wishes in the comment section. He’s quite a lovely person.
Just curious, as many times as you so condescendingly address Amanda, Faiz or Nico, exactly how many times have you been acknowledged?
Hmmm, yeah, that’s what I thought…..zip.
Bless your heart…..
April 7th, 2007 at 6:07 pmrightwing Likudnik who is only interested in defending Israel.†You mean like Bill andHillary Clinton and John Kerry?
Comment by vermin venus
Funny that you’re not trying to criticize the Clintons and Kerry for supporting Israel. I got the impression when you were posting as Mighty Aphrodite that Israel was about the only foreign country you liked.
April 7th, 2007 at 6:45 pmVery strange: I had a non-abusive comment posted here at 6:58 PM, and now it’s gone.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:07 pmComment by Wow #12
hahahahaha…
…hilarious…
…but true…
April 7th, 2007 at 7:31 pmAs befits its terminal defense incompetence, the Left turns
into its knowingly fake headlines, like, “Pentagon Report says No Al Qaeda – Saddam Connection.”
“No conclusive signs” becomes no possibility. Cooperation “on specific terrorist operations” becomes any connection whatever.
Even though the Clinton administration shot at what it said were “indirect links between the [Sudanese WMD] facility and Bin Laden and the Iraqi chemical weapons program”, at Al Shifa in Sudan,
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing8/cohen_statement.pdf#search=‘cohen%20prepared%20testimony’ Pages 9, 14
the Left is now irreversibly wedded to the historical fraud that there COULD BE NO SUCH LINKS and therefore, no threat to us. Because Bush also said there were.
Even though the 9/11 Commisioners themselves rebuked the LeftMedia headlines that falsely said the 9/11 Report showed no Saddam-Al Qaeda links, despite that it did undeniably show such links on pages 61, 116-118, the false headlines and the willful blindness and amnesia of its own contradictions still bellow from the Left’s dilapidated pipeorgans of anti-Bush propganda.
April 7th, 2007 at 7:48 pmCaption Contest:
“I Got the Whole World In My Hands
April 7th, 2007 at 7:52 pmDoug Feith–LYING neo-CON-man, CONSUMMATE LIAR, PREVARICATOR, OBFUSCATOR, HYPOCRITE, COWARDLY CRAVEN LITTLE PIPSQUEAK WORM—CRUSH THIS PIECE OF repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderm UNDER THE HEEL OF JUSTICE AND WIPE HIS MASHED OFFAL OFF ON THE DOORMAT OF FORGOTTEN FOOLS!!!! “Duped by Tenet’s CIA memo” INDEED!!!! IF YOU SINCERELY BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN LIES LIKE THAT Feith, THERE’S A TERRIFIC BUY IN Brooklyn I’D LIKE TO OFFER YOU—A BRIDGE, HARDLY USED AT ALL!!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWE KNOW YOU’RE INCOHERENT, Feith, BUT PLEASE DON’T SHOW US YOUR NAKEDNESS—WE JUST HAD A MEAL AND DON’T WANT TO UPCHUCK AND TOSS OUR COOKIES!!!!! BLEARGGGGGGGGGG!!!! OOPS, I VOMITED ALL OVER YA, Douglas Feith, NOW LICK THAT ALL UP LIKE THE SICK LITTLE PUPPY YA ARE!!!!!!
April 7th, 2007 at 8:00 pmCaption contest:
“Oh, Condiiiiiiiii…..”
April 7th, 2007 at 8:02 pmClinton’s Defense Secretary to 9/11 Commission:
Today’s Surrenderist Dems: “Saddam’s WMDs in Al Qaeda hands? Can you show me a written receipt? Who are we to tell Al Qaeda and their terror hosts what they can and cannot do? You must be some kind of fascist. Lets get Saddam and Bin Laden to the peace table so we can afford midnight basketball.”
April 7th, 2007 at 8:14 pmOh look, a new troll — RufusLeeKing.
**yawn**
April 7th, 2007 at 8:26 pmYou had better not ever look at how the Clinton administration PROVED the Saddam – Bin Laden WMD connection.
To admit to it now would be to admit to the later treasonous denial of its own history by the entire Democratic Party.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:35 pmComment by RufusLeeKing #s 51 & 53
Hey Rufus,
…do you sing…
…”Do ‘Da Funky Chicken”?
April 7th, 2007 at 8:40 pmOh look, a new troll — RufusLeeKing.
**yawn**
Comment by Zooey — April 7, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
yep… i wonder if this tact might work:
thanks, rufus! …you’re right! …now we all know and you have changed our minds and hearts…
April 7th, 2007 at 8:40 pmyou can leave now… thanks!
As usual, the Left choir must at all costs dodge discussing the published proof by the Clinton administration on how Saddam really was getting his VX nerve gas WMD to the Bin Laden funded facilities in Sudan.
A major historical finding of the Clinton administration that it and his entire party now forgets ever hapened, even after testifying that it did to the 9/11 Commission in 2004.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:54 pmYou had better not ever look at how the Clinton administration PROVED the Saddam – Bin Laden WMD connection.
To admit to it now would be to admit to the later treasonous denial of its own history by the entire Democratic Party.
Comment by RufusLeeKing
Well, that’s a tough one, Leaky. Don’t you think that if Chimpy could have pinned this one on Clinton, he would have done it already?
Who’s been Prez for the last 6 years? Oh yeah, George W. Bush.
One more thing Leaky…..Where is Osama bin Laden? Hmmmm….?
April 7th, 2007 at 8:56 pm>>Well, that’s a tough one, Leaky. Don’t you think that if Chimpy could have pinned this one on Clinton, he would have done it already? >One more thing Leaky…..Where is Osama bin Laden? Hmmmm….?
April 7th, 2007 at 9:05 pmBush runs the country. He has delegated the rehashing of the merits of his victories over the Taliban, Saddam, much of Al Qaeda and Khadaffis entire WMD program to others like Cheney. And everytime they point out the facts, they are met with endless evasions and falsehoods by the LeftMedia and their devotees.
In a spider hole begging Bush for truce.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html
He is so afraid of meeting the fate of Zarqawi and his other comrades that nobody in the West has seen him for years.
I wonder why Bin Laden walked around so openly, directing attacks on us, and never begged Clintion for truce after Clinton let him go free?
April 7th, 2007 at 9:13 pmI’m trying to recall the exact quote that Ron Suskind gave, but it had something to do with Lawrence Wilkerson calling Feith the stupidest fucking man he’s ever met.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:15 pmBush runs the country.
Oh! Is that what he’s doing? So any f*ck ups that come along are because he delegated to a less adequate person than himself?
Yeah, yeah, Clinton…..
Go change your pants, piss-soaked troll.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:17 pmNo Lefty will ever discuss the Al Shifa WMD conection between Saddam and Bin Laden.
It just never happens.
They can only curse at you on the way out the door rather than admit to what Clinton once proved to us and still testified to, along with Gore, Berger, Clarke, Tenet and Cohen, to the 9/11 Commission as late as 2004:
-Saddam’s uniquely identifiable VX nerve gas was present in the soil of the Bin Laden funded Al Shifa facility in Sudan.
-Saddams Chemical Weapons guru was picked up by the NSA in dozens of phone conversations with the Bin Laden funded Al Shifa facility.
-Saddams Chemical Weapons guru was visited in Baghdad by the head of the Bin Laden funded Al Shifa facility.
-A former Al Qaeda member later testified in the Clinton administration’s launched Al Qaeda trial that Al Qaeda was indeed trying to make VX nerve gas in Sudan at that time.
This testimony is CONTRABAND to the Jihad denying surrender artists of today’s self-destroyed Democratic Party.
April 7th, 2007 at 9:30 pmThe WMD are gone, Leaky — GONE!!
When we went into Iraq, on Bush’s assertion that the WMD were there, they did not exist.
Bush admits it now. The inspectors reported it. What the hell are you going on about?
It simply doesn’t matter if Saddam still had the WMD Reagan and Rummy sold him at the time Clinton was president. That was THEN.
On March 19, 2003, the WMD no longer existed — no reason for us to invade, other than the oil, of course. And the war profits, don’t forget about that.
So Leaky, what’s to discuss?
Run along….
April 7th, 2007 at 9:46 pmYes of course. Clinton SAID the WMDs were in Iraq when he bombed Iraqi WMD Facilities in 1998 in Desert Fox and in Sudan when he bombed Al Shifa in 1998.
But after Clinton let Saddam kick out the UN inspectors that same year without following up with his theeatened regime change he had mouthed off about, Saddam took the opportunity, while totally unobserved, inspected or harrassed, to voluntarilty become a nice guy and destroy them all.
No matter that Clinton told the Portugese Prime Minister he was certain Saddam still had them up to the time of Bush’s invasion.
No matter that the entire Democartic party and world intelligence community was all insisting he had them.
No matter that Saddams generals, a UNESCO award winning Syrian journalist and even David Kay said that some WMDs went to Syria.
No matter that Clinton PROVED his VX nerve gas got to one of Bin Ladens Sudan facilities and that bombing one did nothing to disrupt the others.
None of those facts matter to raise a concern over more WMD-armed 9/11’s the Jihad has promised us when you have a Liberal’s faith in humanity that makes you just KNOW that Saddam was too nice a guy to keep those WMDs he sacrificed his people’s lives to acquire.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:16 pm#63 Rufus…Baaaaaaahhhhhh…Clinton…Bahhhhhhhhh. Why can’t you defend your president without bringing up Clinton?
April 7th, 2007 at 10:28 pm#63 By the way, Rufus. David Kay was probably wrong but he said that those WMD went to Syria BEFORE your idiot king invaded. So, even you admit there were no WMD in Iraq. Is that right?
April 7th, 2007 at 10:30 pmBringing up Clinton when Clinton PROVED Bush’s case is of course, not allowed under Lefty Rules of Politically Expedient Amnesia.
And playing games with how much WMD is OK for a mass murdering outlaw meglomaniac and terror host to be allowed to keep after promising to give them up after one war, and when its too late or too early to invade is all pathetic when you have said only that we should never invade and that there could not possibly be a threat to us no matter who was proven or suspected to be getting Saddams Clinton-verified WMDs.
The Lefty plan of defense inaction is simply too disgraced by Bush’s victories over the Taliban and Saddam terror host regimes and over Khadaffis entire WMD program and much of Al Qaeda to allow for open admissions that all your America-blaming positions only served to reward and strengthen our deadliest enemies.
Just like Lefties still do.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:46 pm#66 No, Roofies, Clinton didn’t prove Bush’s case. Bush attacked Iraq. Not Clinton. Don’t you understand that? Bush is the only one that felt that an invasion was the best course. And he (and you) were clearly and disasterously wrong.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:50 pm#66 Wow, are you for real Roofies? Bush’s victories over the Taliban and Saddam terror host regimes (sic) and over Khadaffies (sic) entire WMD program and run on and run on.
1. The Taliban is alive and kicking because Bush could never finish a job.
2. Yeah, we hung Saddam…and what exactly did that get us and how much has it and will it cost us?
3. Are you stoned? Libya’s WMDs? Are you stupid or just brainwashed. It is nice that you think that appeasing Khadaffi was a good thing. Stupid, but so sweet.
4. al Qaeda is stronger than ever. They are getting plenty of recruits because of your illegal invasion.
5. Der.
April 7th, 2007 at 10:54 pmClinton made the case for regime change in Iraq even more eloquently than Bush. He signed regime change policy into law. He proved that Saddams VX nerve gas ended up in Bin Ladens funded Sudan facilities – a worst case scenario for the U.S.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9809/01/sudan.plant/
But Clinton had more plans for goings on under his desk than against the terrorists he knew were already behind attacks on us and their most flagarant of terror hosts, Saddam.
He left it to Bush to effect the regime change Clinton only crowed about.
And because Bush acted where Clinton knew he should, but would not, we have him to thank for removing the Saddam side of the Saddam – Bin Laden WMD connection Clinton proved but ran from opposing effectively.
And today, Al Qaeda must still content itself with killing only dozens at a time with conventional explosives. Thanks to Bush it has not perfected the ability, Clinton was willing to let them acquire, to kill thousands at a time with Saddams VX.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:02 pm#69 Um, you ignored ALL of my points and the most egregious was that Bush illegally invaded Iraq, not Clinton.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:07 pm#69 By the way…
And today, Al Qaeda must still content itself with killing only dozens at a time with conventional explosives.
You are one of those jackoffs that are ok with our soldiers being targets…”We are fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here”. Way to support the troops. Last I knew soldier did NOT mean magnet for terrorists. Coward.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:11 pm1. The Taliban once ruled Afghanistan with a cruel, iron fist and openly hosted our terrorist enemies. Bush has relgeated them to a guerilla force capable of starting but not ending skirmishes in the middle of nowehere, where they hide in spder holes.
No way Gore or any limp wristed Dem would have hardballed Mushariff into allowing US forces to attack the Taliban through his previously pro-Taliban country and to help us round up the likes of Khalid Sheik Muhammed and many other Al Qaeda kingpins.
2. Elminating Saddams terror hosting regime sent a message to the pro-JIhad world that to harbor our enemies is to seal your own doom.
3. Khadaffi, an American killing terrorist, never agreed to surrender his WMDs until 5 days after Saddam was captured. He told Berlusconi of Italy that it was because of seeing what Bush did to his pal Saddam.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/04/wun04.xml
4. Al Qaeda is still begging for truce, knowing it has lost in Iraq. Bin Laden begged Bush for truce in more than one tape. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html So has Zawahri and Zarqawi. Here was Bush’s answer to Zarqawi. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/ His successor was recently rudely abducted to a place he had probably been hoping not to visit. Can you name his successor who now heads the forces you now consider to be even more powerful, who can’t even stop elections, let alone a new Constituional government from continuing? I didn’t think so.
The only force that can win them Iraq now is the Democratic Party.
And since all three branches of the US government regard and have deemed the Iraq invasion as lawful, you must share with us the name of the branch you have started.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:17 pmComments by RufusLeeKing
Hey Rufus,
Y’know you’ve got some real good “intelligence” there…
…But you’re wasting it on us peons…
…you should be on teevee…
…why you might even be considered a national hero with all you know…
…I’ve NEVER heard right wing Bushites sound so…
…well…
…intelligent…
…before….
…if you hurry you might make CNN’s morning lineup…
April 7th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI have no problem with our brave volunteer forces willingly fighting our terror hosting enemeis to stop their killing an exponentially larger number than the 3,000 or so we have lost in our sweeping and historic victories over those brutal forces. Saddam killed over a Million before he was stopped. With his VX nerve gas he could have kiled many multiples of that through his terror clients taking them to our shores.
As for myself, I volunteered in 1980, when I was financially quite comfortable but when it looked like force might well be needed in Iran to free our people there. Carter didn’t utilize my willing manpower. But I belonged to the Army. had they opted to go there, as I had wanted to do.
But you must have served even more gallantly to be so sure of my own patriotic inadequacy.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:27 pmThe only force that can win them Iraq now is the Democratic Party.
And since all three branches of the US government regard and have deemed the Iraq invasion as lawful, you must share with us the name of the branch you have started.
Comment by RufusLeeKing #72
…Is THIS inbred Bushite clever or what…
…Why I couldn’t stop guffawing after reading his witty post…
April 7th, 2007 at 11:29 pm#74 Saddam killed over a million? Does that include Iranians?
April 7th, 2007 at 11:29 pm#4 What? Are you fuck!ng psychotic?
Comment by JPark
I’m gonna make a giant leap here, JPark, and say YES.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:42 pmBy the way, Roofies…Reagan and Bush KNEW Saddam had WMD because they gave him the Sarin. THEY didn’t illegally invade Iraq, either.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:45 pm1. We ousted an entire government of a very very difficult to fight in country from Taliban rule. So they are killing some people in skirmishes bewteen the times they are being mopped up by NATO foces. You want to go over there and up the ante with your humanitarian ass? I dodn’t think so.
Did you care that much about a Million Iraqis being slaughtered by Saddam when it was Bush proposing to stop it? I thought not.
2. The Free Iraqi government tallies over a Million civilians missing from the Saddam regime. The Iraq invasion caused the deaths of just over 50K by the best account, and most of those were from the insurgent bombing schools and mosques. I know Libs don’t do math. But think of all the Global Warming Saddams extra decomposing corpses caused.
In fact here are some more reasons why Libs ought to finally get mad at Saddam:
-His gassing of the Kurds endangered the breeding grounds of the Snuffle Snouted Beetle Banger.
-He built his childrens prisons on fargile wetlands.
-He filled a Million Plus mass graves withut a single Environmental Impact Report.
3. American-killer Khadaffi, once owner of the largest chemical weapons factories in the devleoping world, as well as huge bio and even nuike arsenals and missiles to deliver them all, is now a defnaged, disarmed pansy, making appearances in his queer garb to the ovations of the Liberal university circuit across the U.S.
4. Read it and weep. Bin Laden begged Bush for truce. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/19/binladen.tape/index.html Zarqawi begged Bush for truce. (Before being ground up for falafel.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarqawi Zawahri begged Bush for truce. http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=13964
Victory is a bitch when you’re in the party of Kerry. Murtha, Dean. Kennedy and Nancy “the Scarf” Pelosi.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:49 pmRufus shows his true colors —
A lack of regard for life on earth, let alone human life.
April 7th, 2007 at 11:53 pmIssues with women.
Disregard for the planet he lives on.
Bad speller when he’s flustered.
Assh*le in general.
Comment by Zooey #79
He’s genuine…
…a bonafide inbred Bushite…
…Zooey you’re such a great sleuth…
…how did you find this missing hot link?
April 7th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#1 The Taliban is killing people. Is that your idea of success? Nice job on the heroin, by the way.
#2 Prove it. Real sites, please, no freeperville.
#3 So we attack Saddam and not Khadaffi. Wanna compare the number of Americans they killed?
#4 Read it and learn something…you don’t need to weep.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2007/02/ex-cia-agent-iraq-war-harmed-al-qaeda.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p01s04-woiq.html
April 8th, 2007 at 12:02 amThat’s Zooey #80
April 8th, 2007 at 12:02 ambig papa,
I just may be a missing hot link magnet. :D
April 8th, 2007 at 12:03 amWhat do you expect for “the f*cking stupidest guy on the face of the earth”?
Cheers,
April 8th, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by Zooey#83
Somehow I knew that…
…from that first post of yours I read…
…you be careful now…
…those missing hot links can be pretty dangerous…
…especially the hotter they get…
April 8th, 2007 at 12:12 ambig papa,
Heh.
I think I’ve worked out my limits in the hot link area. :D
Thanks!
April 8th, 2007 at 12:20 amonly interested in defending Israel.†You mean like Bill andHillary Clinton and John Kerry?
Comment by vermin venus
To repeat my non-abusive comment that appeared after Zooey’s #43, then disappeared, then reappeared, and now has disappeared again:
April 8th, 2007 at 1:52 amI got the distinct impression when you were posting as Mighty Aphrodite/Hypocrite that Israel was about the only foreign country you liked, so why are you now dumping on the Clintons and Kerry for supporting it?
“Everyone knows that the United States has lost the war in Iraq. The politics of Washington, DC today is simply a series of maneuvers between Republicans and Democrats to position themselves so that the other party pays the electoral price for the fiasco.”
http://fbc.binghamton.edu/commentr.htm
April 8th, 2007 at 8:38 amMy mission is to turn China into a superpower and during my tenure in office.
Please please please please stay in Iraq! Please be dead-enders !! Pleezzzzeeeese!
Please please stay, please mess up the middle east further, please please support torture,
Please please don’t update your infrastructure, please please don’t deal with your social problems or update your infrastructure,
Please become more militaristic and dominated by Isreal!!!
PLease stay in Iraq!
hahaahahahahaha
April 8th, 2007 at 8:52 amOnly the most silly brand of tube steak would believe for one second we invaded Iraq to “liberate” it. This is only the latest in a string of excuses that turned out to be lies. Iraq will NEVER be free until we’ve pumped out all its oil.
It’s obvious that the 600,000 Iraqis who’ve died since Bush diverted our military from capturing the perpetrator of 9/11 don’t matter to these radicals one bit. The pure and simple fact is that right wingers think Iraqis are subhuman chattel that just happen to live on our God-given oil.
And yes, some might be bone-deep gullible enough to believe everything their daddy figure Cheney tells them. After all, their lives are guided by a great big invisible man who lives up in the sky who has nothing better to do than watch their every move so he can decide whether to torture the crap out of them for eternity after they’ve died, so believing that Bush converses with Jesus is only a hop, skip and jump from that. But hey, zipperheads, you don’t see these “liberators” rushing into Darfur, do you? It’s a pathetic, sick joke, and you’re the butt.
It is entertaining to watch these pickle-suckers flail about senselssly in their goofy self-righteousness now that they are in such a vanishingly small minority as to be insignificant in charting our future course. Yes, to be sure, they have all the mainstream media outlets shoveling their propaganda at us, but about 70% of Americans are hip to the deception.
It’s over, zipperheads, it’s over.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:08 amGood one trippin, I have to agree.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:13 amDoug Feith Responds With ‘Naked Incoherence’ To Evidence That He Manipulated Iraq Intel…
The Washington Post reported on a declassified Pentagon Inspector General report which said that captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations have “all confirmed†that Saddam was not directly cooperating with al Qaeda before the U.S. in…
April 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmYou want to know why, BM? Because the fraud was being committed for Israel, with the full participation of Ariel Sharon’s government.
It is politically just about impossible to address this matter, because the Israel lobby controls both major political parties in this country.
Robert Dreyfuss explains all this in a July 2003 article for The Nation called “More Missing Intelligenceâ€:
“According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel….â€
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030707/dreyfuss ….
So now the mass media is finally catching up with the 10/04 edition of Mother Jones-whcih described in detail Feith’s and the other neocons’ criminal plotting and shenanigans. It is titled “the Irag lie factory.â€
Bush and Cheney URGENTLY need to be impeached and prosecuted fully as the war criminals they are. ..A fine article, but–instead of saying “…a war costing tens of thousands of lives and an expected $1 trillion that served no valid national security purposeâ€, I would say a war costing 658,000 lives (excellent Johns Hopkins/Lancet study covering up to July 2006, plus number of US military) and an expected $2.2 trillion (excellent Stiglitz-Bilmes study that they now consider too low) that harmed our national security (16 intelligence agencies of the US plus every study in the world).
It is far more reasonable to go with what the Downing Street Memo (and all other evidence) shows–that we wanted to take Iraq and any intelligence would be made up later, than to bend over backwards trying to explain why all the intelligence was so “flawedâ€. Weren’t the reasons for the last 100 US invasions of other countries later found to not be true. I like books by William Blum and Stephen Kinzer.
April 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pmTrippin #89: I don’t know if Rufus has given up on trolling here and distracting the conversation with his useless “anti-liberal” drivel, so I’ll step in and let you know what he would say about those 600,000 dead (and 2 million displaced) Iraqis — they were all part of the terror network and their death and displacement a necessary part of the “war on terror.”
That’s right, Iron-handed Saddam had a few MILLION fundamentalist Islamic terrorists in his secular country. Amazing.
I wasted ten minutes reading this thread and realized that better moderation of our boards is necessary. Trolls such as Rufus need to be called on their BS and banned if they can’t deliver facts. Our energies are too limited to waste them wallowing with idiots and our discussions are distracted by these battles with pigs.
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