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	<title>Comments on: Harman On Iraq:  We Should Take &#8216;Success&#8217; Out Of Our Lexicon; &#8216;Survival&#8217; Is More Logical</title>
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		<title>By: bankruptcy book debt elimination without</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;bankruptcy book debt elimination without&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Us Bankruptcy Court Northern District Of Ohio</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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Please keep these excellent posts coming.</description>
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<p>Please keep these excellent posts coming.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4386466', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Animal Sex Free Animal Sex Stories Sex With Dogs&lt;/strong&gt;

I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view</description>
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<p>I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4359342', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joint custody divorce</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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Good post. I am looking into these issues on my blog.</description>
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<p>Good post. I am looking into these issues on my blog.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4325416', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Free Legal Advice Divorce</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Free Legal Advice Divorce&lt;/strong&gt;

Found your blog on yahoo - thanks for the article but i still don&#039;t  get it.</description>
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<p>Found your blog on yahoo &#8211; thanks for the article but i still don&#8217;t  get it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4308126', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they wanted stability, then Ronald Dumbsfeld would not have argued for a deployment of as few as 25,000 troops. The Pentagon originally pointed out that 500,000 plus would be needed to STABILIZE the country. They ignored that. Dumbsfeld is on record as saying &quot;We&#039;ll do it on the cheap!&quot;

â€¢ Writing NO ORDERS, supplying NO TROOPS to guard Al-Qaqaa&#039;s 280 metric tons of high-explosives -- even though they were warned in person by the head of the IAEA -- was not a move that would ensure stability. 

â€¢ Disbanding the security services that the Pentagon was depending on to fill out their tiny numbers was another fatal blow to stability.

Underdeployment, nonguarding of munitions, canning the entire security force and the gov&#039;t in one day -- these are not actions by an invading power seeking stability.

You&#039;re either a liar or a fool if you think otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they wanted stability, then Ronald Dumbsfeld would not have argued for a deployment of as few as 25,000 troops. The Pentagon originally pointed out that 500,000 plus would be needed to STABILIZE the country. They ignored that. Dumbsfeld is on record as saying &#8220;We&#8217;ll do it on the cheap!&#8221;</p>
<p>â€¢ Writing NO ORDERS, supplying NO TROOPS to guard Al-Qaqaa&#8217;s 280 metric tons of high-explosives &#8212; even though they were warned in person by the head of the IAEA &#8212; was not a move that would ensure stability. </p>
<p>â€¢ Disbanding the security services that the Pentagon was depending on to fill out their tiny numbers was another fatal blow to stability.</p>
<p>Underdeployment, nonguarding of munitions, canning the entire security force and the gov&#8217;t in one day &#8212; these are not actions by an invading power seeking stability.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re either a liar or a fool if you think otherwise.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3592155', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they want to make sure big oil reaps the profits from Iraqâ€™s oil on the terms big oil dictates.&quot; --Professor Smartass

That&#039;s not necessarily true of Harmon. She mainly represents the aerospace wing of the MIC, as I posted above.

&quot;the RoC went through fire as well during the Chinese civil war.&quot;

No, nothing like it. The Japanese genocide in coastal China they went through, along with the rest of the Chinese. Their flight to Taiwan was at the cost of the PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING THERE, not so much for poor, poor Jiang and his fellow elites.

&quot;My only point here is that the Kurdish entity is going to end up in a sort of legal limbo, comparable to that of Taiwan, at least for a while.&quot;

That does not follow. Iraqi Kurdistan will only be in limbo if Iraq the state collapses. Is that what you&#039;re referring to?

&quot;It is the election, not the civil war, which is threatening their plans&quot;

&quot;It is the civil war, and the collapse of their mission in Iraq, that caused them to lose the elections in 2006&quot;

No, that&#039;s not correct. They&#039;ve been stealing our elections since 1999. Their machine broke, after massive activist intervention in the vote-fraud. And Republicans gave up on Bush in droves, because of Katrina, the failure to find WMD, and the failure to capture or kill Bin Laden.

In 2006 at the elections, the issue of a &#039;civil war&#039; was still greatly disputed in the press and in the public.

&quot;Had the Iraq War established the stable, America-allied government they wanted,&quot;

They NEVER WANTED STABILITY!!! If you are so ignorant as to be able to ignore a planned genocide, then that&#039;s more than an IQ test, it&#039;s a test of your morality, and you are getting a FAILING GRADE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they want to make sure big oil reaps the profits from Iraqâ€™s oil on the terms big oil dictates.&#8221; &#8211;Professor Smartass</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not necessarily true of Harmon. She mainly represents the aerospace wing of the MIC, as I posted above.</p>
<p>&#8220;the RoC went through fire as well during the Chinese civil war.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, nothing like it. The Japanese genocide in coastal China they went through, along with the rest of the Chinese. Their flight to Taiwan was at the cost of the PEOPLE ALREADY LIVING THERE, not so much for poor, poor Jiang and his fellow elites.</p>
<p>&#8220;My only point here is that the Kurdish entity is going to end up in a sort of legal limbo, comparable to that of Taiwan, at least for a while.&#8221;</p>
<p>That does not follow. Iraqi Kurdistan will only be in limbo if Iraq the state collapses. Is that what you&#8217;re referring to?</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the election, not the civil war, which is threatening their plans&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the civil war, and the collapse of their mission in Iraq, that caused them to lose the elections in 2006&#8243;</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not correct. They&#8217;ve been stealing our elections since 1999. Their machine broke, after massive activist intervention in the vote-fraud. And Republicans gave up on Bush in droves, because of Katrina, the failure to find WMD, and the failure to capture or kill Bin Laden.</p>
<p>In 2006 at the elections, the issue of a &#8216;civil war&#8217; was still greatly disputed in the press and in the public.</p>
<p>&#8220;Had the Iraq War established the stable, America-allied government they wanted,&#8221;</p>
<p>They NEVER WANTED STABILITY!!! If you are so ignorant as to be able to ignore a planned genocide, then that&#8217;s more than an IQ test, it&#8217;s a test of your morality, and you are getting a FAILING GRADE.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3592142', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Levin: &#8220;We&#8217;re not going to vote to cut funding, period at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levin: &#8220;We&#8217;re not going to vote to cut funding, period at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to say the left is not particularly happy about these statements as shown here, here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregor Samsor,

Right you are - I should have referenced an &quot;armistice&quot; or &quot;cease fire,&quot; not a &quot;surrender.&quot;  Now, on the question of whether the No Fly/No Drive zones amounted to legal means to enforce the conditions of the armistice, let&#039;s just say we&#039;re in a grey area.  I realize the UN never explicitly authorized them, but on the other hand, authrozing a force to go to war includes authorization to negotiate the conditions of the enemy&#039;s cessation of hostilities upon their defeat.

Paul in LA,

&lt;em&gt;I was being sardonic. &lt;/em&gt;  Oh, that goodness.  I thought you&#039;d gone around the bend!

&lt;em&gt;Not similar cases at all.&lt;/em&gt;   (in reference to the Kurds vs Taiwan).   Well, obviously, in many ways they are, although the RoC went through fire as well during the Chinese civil war.  My only point here is that the Kurdish entity is going to end up in a sort of legal limbo, comparable to that of Taiwan, at least for a while.

&lt;em&gt;It is the election, not the civil war, which is threatening their plans in former Iraq, Iran, New Orleans, and the formerly more-free United States.&lt;/em&gt;

It is the civil war, and the collapse of their mission in Iraq, that caused them to lose the elections in 2006, and the rest of their political fortunes.  Had the Iraq War established the stable, America-allied government they wanted, the Busy administration would be on top of the political world.  These people actually believed in the idea of a western-oriented Iraq setting off democratic revolutions throughout the Middle East, and banked their future on it.  I find your conspratorial view unconvincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregor Samsor,</p>
<p>Right you are &#8211; I should have referenced an &#8220;armistice&#8221; or &#8220;cease fire,&#8221; not a &#8220;surrender.&#8221;  Now, on the question of whether the No Fly/No Drive zones amounted to legal means to enforce the conditions of the armistice, let&#8217;s just say we&#8217;re in a grey area.  I realize the UN never explicitly authorized them, but on the other hand, authrozing a force to go to war includes authorization to negotiate the conditions of the enemy&#8217;s cessation of hostilities upon their defeat.</p>
<p>Paul in LA,</p>
<p><em>I was being sardonic. </em>  Oh, that goodness.  I thought you&#8217;d gone around the bend!</p>
<p><em>Not similar cases at all.</em>   (in reference to the Kurds vs Taiwan).   Well, obviously, in many ways they are, although the RoC went through fire as well during the Chinese civil war.  My only point here is that the Kurdish entity is going to end up in a sort of legal limbo, comparable to that of Taiwan, at least for a while.</p>
<p><em>It is the election, not the civil war, which is threatening their plans in former Iraq, Iran, New Orleans, and the formerly more-free United States.</em></p>
<p>It is the civil war, and the collapse of their mission in Iraq, that caused them to lose the elections in 2006, and the rest of their political fortunes.  Had the Iraq War established the stable, America-allied government they wanted, the Busy administration would be on top of the political world.  These people actually believed in the idea of a western-oriented Iraq setting off democratic revolutions throughout the Middle East, and banked their future on it.  I find your conspratorial view unconvincing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3581161', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Saywho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saywho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The military is building forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and The Persian Gulf since it intends to invade Iran next after a nice long bombing run. Those huge bases in Iraq indicate to me several things. First we are not going to leave Iraq and in fact can&#039;t since we must retain control over the resources there. Secondly, we have been training Iraqis for combat. They will be the ones that invade Iran.

Odds are this will not be pretty, but we will not pull out no matter who is in charge here in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military is building forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and The Persian Gulf since it intends to invade Iran next after a nice long bombing run. Those huge bases in Iraq indicate to me several things. First we are not going to leave Iraq and in fact can&#8217;t since we must retain control over the resources there. Secondly, we have been training Iraqis for combat. They will be the ones that invade Iran.</p>
<p>Odds are this will not be pretty, but we will not pull out no matter who is in charge here in the USA.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3580703', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Professor Smartass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor Smartass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have more respect for Harman and her GOP counterparts if they just told the truth about WHY they want to stay:  they want to make sure big oil reaps the profits from Iraq&#039;s oil on the terms big oil dictates.

Harman is essentially saying she wants to hold the victim down for a rapist, but doesn&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to slap her around as much as the other gang members do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have more respect for Harman and her GOP counterparts if they just told the truth about WHY they want to stay:  they want to make sure big oil reaps the profits from Iraq&#8217;s oil on the terms big oil dictates.</p>
<p>Harman is essentially saying she wants to hold the victim down for a rapist, but doesn&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary to slap her around as much as the other gang members do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3575458', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Hector Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hector Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we trade Hagel for Harman please.Big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we trade Hagel for Harman please.Big deal.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3572036', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;2-billion-dollar offer from the Saudis in return for giving up demands to have oil-rich Kirkuk as the capital of Kurdistan. Al-Bianh al-Jadidah newspaper.&quot; --Zep Tepi

You are misinterpreting what SA is offering. They are NOT offering to buy Kirkuk. They are offering to pay I. Kurdistan to give up its claim to including Kirkuk in I. Kurdistan. Kirkuk is an integrated city of all three factions. If it became part of I. Kurdistan, that relationship might/would change that status. Because of Sunni income from oil in Kirkuk, SA is offering to pay the Kurds not to threaten that income. 

That said, the German source of that Rawstory article gave a misleading title: &quot;Saudi Arabia offers Kurds 2 billion dollars to give up Kirkuk&quot;

In any case, SA was NOT trying to get the Kurds to give up their community share of Kirkuk, but rather the demand for Kirkuk to become officially I. Kurdish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2-billion-dollar offer from the Saudis in return for giving up demands to have oil-rich Kirkuk as the capital of Kurdistan. Al-Bianh al-Jadidah newspaper.&#8221; &#8211;Zep Tepi</p>
<p>You are misinterpreting what SA is offering. They are NOT offering to buy Kirkuk. They are offering to pay I. Kurdistan to give up its claim to including Kirkuk in I. Kurdistan. Kirkuk is an integrated city of all three factions. If it became part of I. Kurdistan, that relationship might/would change that status. Because of Sunni income from oil in Kirkuk, SA is offering to pay the Kurds not to threaten that income. </p>
<p>That said, the German source of that Rawstory article gave a misleading title: &#8220;Saudi Arabia offers Kurds 2 billion dollars to give up Kirkuk&#8221;</p>
<p>In any case, SA was NOT trying to get the Kurds to give up their community share of Kirkuk, but rather the demand for Kirkuk to become officially I. Kurdish.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3570612', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 06:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: War Crimes Act of 1996, not 7.

&quot;...the United States Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ( 000 U.S. 05-184 ) that Common Article 3 of the Third Geneva Convention applied to the War on Terrorism&quot; --wikipedia

To wit, in this conflict, US forces have commonly failed to uphold their &lt;b&gt;Common Article 3&lt;/b&gt; duties:

1. &lt;b&gt;Persons taking no active part in the hostilities&lt;/b&gt;, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end &lt;b&gt;the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons&lt;/b&gt;:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

[There hasn&#039;t been any cruel treatment, has there?]

(b) Taking of hostages;

[Several reports of US soldiers taking hostages to force confessions during interrogations have surfaced.]

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

[Shooting whole famililes to death is a bit more than humiliation.]

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.&quot;

The repeated pogroms on Al-Fallujah is certainly &#039;the carrying out of executions without previous judgment.&#039; The four Blackwater employees were killed not by Falluja en masse, but by Blackwater via (a probably intentional) negligence, and a handful of Fallujan street persons.

&lt;b&gt;2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.&lt;/b&gt;

US forces commonly fail to care for their victims. Indeed, CENTCOM has stated that it has no duty to count or track the dead and wounded civilians. Why should they? Genocide isn&#039;t a Geneva Convention behavior. Deploying mercs in a legal occupation is a warcrime. Deploying mercs in a genocide is just good common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: War Crimes Act of 1996, not 7.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the United States Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ( 000 U.S. 05-184 ) that Common Article 3 of the Third Geneva Convention applied to the War on Terrorism&#8221; &#8211;wikipedia</p>
<p>To wit, in this conflict, US forces have commonly failed to uphold their <b>Common Article 3</b> duties:</p>
<p>1. <b>Persons taking no active part in the hostilities</b>, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.</p>
<p>To this end <b>the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons</b>:</p>
<p>(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;</p>
<p>[There hasn't been any cruel treatment, has there?]</p>
<p>(b) Taking of hostages;</p>
<p>[Several reports of US soldiers taking hostages to force confessions during interrogations have surfaced.]</p>
<p>(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;</p>
<p>[Shooting whole famililes to death is a bit more than humiliation.]</p>
<p>(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.&#8221;</p>
<p>The repeated pogroms on Al-Fallujah is certainly &#8216;the carrying out of executions without previous judgment.&#8217; The four Blackwater employees were killed not by Falluja en masse, but by Blackwater via (a probably intentional) negligence, and a handful of Fallujan street persons.</p>
<p><b>2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.</b></p>
<p>US forces commonly fail to care for their victims. Indeed, CENTCOM has stated that it has no duty to count or track the dead and wounded civilians. Why should they? Genocide isn&#8217;t a Geneva Convention behavior. Deploying mercs in a legal occupation is a warcrime. Deploying mercs in a genocide is just good common sense.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3570486', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/08/harman-interview/comment-page-4/#comment-3570412</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 06:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Paul in LA, the Turks look towards the Kurds lovingly? Did history end, too? Thatâ€™s pretty, er, optimistic.&quot; --joe

I was being sardonic. 

&quot;As far as the status of the Kurdish state, thatâ€™s probably going to end up as muddled as Taiwan.&quot;

Not similar cases at all. The Kurds have been through fire. Read Galbraith, and see it from their standpoint. When I read the book last year, it changed much of my view. Previously I was very angry about the coming partition -- now I see it as a net gain for the Kurds, who after all are surely better off now than they were in the 1980s, when GHW Bush was helping Hussein slaughter them.

&quot;And the â€œdeliberate civil warâ€ thing - do you think Bush and Cheney screwed up the Katrina response on purpose, too?&quot;

&lt;b&gt;Isn&#039;t that obvious?&lt;/b&gt;

Bush to Pelosi, oval office, after Pelosi has asked what can be done to fix the disastrous Bushco response: &quot;What didn&#039;t go right?&quot;

Bush and his pal Haley Barbour in MS are RACISTS and classists (*Barbour himself is something like a Grand Wizard). They get a kick out of dispossessing those beneath them. 

&quot;This adminstration fixed their political fortunes to the success of the Iraq project,&quot;

&quot;What hasn&#039;t gone right?&quot;

&quot;and the civil war has destroyed not on their hopes for Iraq, but their presidency, their party, and the future of neoconservative ideology.&quot;

That&#039;s because you buy that tripe. The civil war which they fomented is going well -- THEY DIDN&#039;T EXPECT TO LOSE THE 2006 ELECTION. &lt;b&gt;It is the election, not the civil war,&lt;/b&gt; which is threatening their plans in former Iraq, Iran, New Orleans, and the formerly more-free United States.

&quot;One segment of the Sunni insurgency, led by religious fanatics, deliberately provoked a civil war by attacking the Shiites,&quot;

How do you know that? What do you think the 30,000+ mercenary squads are busy doing? Sitting in rockers and knitting? When the UN office in Basra was bombed, the U.S. did very suspicious things. For instance, CENTCOM annnounced it had captured NINETEEN bombers at the border, and they confessed to being Al Qaeda.

Two weeks later, media light off, and CENTCOM reveals that they never had anyone in custody for the bombing, except an Iraqi teenager they admitted wasn&#039;t involved. 

Who bombed that building? Why would Iraqis bomb the UN?

FOR SURE, Iraqis, muslims, did not burn the Koran-Torah Repository to the ground. That singular act of genocide has the rightwing Christofascist handwriting all over it.

Try Googling the name Stryber and the word Iraq. You&#039;ll find out that a British merc outfit hired deathsquad mercenaries from S. Africa. Do you think racist white supremacists like Stryber care(d) about burning down or bombing mosques?

â€¢Â Bushco and CENTCOM failed to guard Al-Qaqaa, Hussein&#039;s main ammo dump, previously under lockdown from the UN.

That is either an act of criminal negligence OR treason (and both). When you want to start a civil war, fire the security forces (create massive unemployment)(send the soldiers home with their AKs), fire the gov&#039;t (ruthlessly unemploying thousands of upper middle-class Sunnis) by a one-day, no process deBaathification, and then go around raping the country and allowing rape of the country, until the people have lost all sense of community and shared needs. Shut off the water supply and the power, and blow up all the sewage plants so the children can die from dysentery along with their grandparents, and turn the power on and off, so that no one can keep milk or meat to feed their families. 

Then drop hundreds of TONS of half-strength uranium into a country with killer sandstorms and hardpan soil, and induce generations of childhood leukemia and cancer cases, because children&#039;s bodies preferentially take up uranium over calcium, taking the radioactive toxin into their bones, probably for the rest of their short lives. That method of killing violates the Hague Conventions, and in fact is a standalone defining case of genocide:

&lt;b&gt;Article II&lt;/b&gt;: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
&lt;b&gt;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.&lt;/b&gt;

Preventing births, forceable transfer -- both are examples of what so-called &#039;depleted uranium&#039; will do to those innocents, for a thousand years or more.&quot;

THIS IS GENOCIDE, BY CIVIL WAR, AFTER VIOLENT INVASION. It is in every way a major warcrime, and under our existing year 1999 laws, is a &lt;b&gt;capital offense&lt;/b&gt; under the 1997 War Crimes Act.

Such acts are NOT mistakes, not goofs, not botching, not failures of intelligence. They are evil, itself.

&quot;Maybe Iâ€™ll check out that Galbraith book. Any relation to John Kenneth, or is that a coincidence?&quot;

His son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Paul in LA, the Turks look towards the Kurds lovingly? Did history end, too? Thatâ€™s pretty, er, optimistic.&#8221; &#8211;joe</p>
<p>I was being sardonic. </p>
<p>&#8220;As far as the status of the Kurdish state, thatâ€™s probably going to end up as muddled as Taiwan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not similar cases at all. The Kurds have been through fire. Read Galbraith, and see it from their standpoint. When I read the book last year, it changed much of my view. Previously I was very angry about the coming partition &#8212; now I see it as a net gain for the Kurds, who after all are surely better off now than they were in the 1980s, when GHW Bush was helping Hussein slaughter them.</p>
<p>&#8220;And the â€œdeliberate civil warâ€ thing &#8211; do you think Bush and Cheney screwed up the Katrina response on purpose, too?&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Isn&#8217;t that obvious?</b></p>
<p>Bush to Pelosi, oval office, after Pelosi has asked what can be done to fix the disastrous Bushco response: &#8220;What didn&#8217;t go right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bush and his pal Haley Barbour in MS are RACISTS and classists (*Barbour himself is something like a Grand Wizard). They get a kick out of dispossessing those beneath them. </p>
<p>&#8220;This adminstration fixed their political fortunes to the success of the Iraq project,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What hasn&#8217;t gone right?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;and the civil war has destroyed not on their hopes for Iraq, but their presidency, their party, and the future of neoconservative ideology.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because you buy that tripe. The civil war which they fomented is going well &#8212; THEY DIDN&#8217;T EXPECT TO LOSE THE 2006 ELECTION. <b>It is the election, not the civil war,</b> which is threatening their plans in former Iraq, Iran, New Orleans, and the formerly more-free United States.</p>
<p>&#8220;One segment of the Sunni insurgency, led by religious fanatics, deliberately provoked a civil war by attacking the Shiites,&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know that? What do you think the 30,000+ mercenary squads are busy doing? Sitting in rockers and knitting? When the UN office in Basra was bombed, the U.S. did very suspicious things. For instance, CENTCOM annnounced it had captured NINETEEN bombers at the border, and they confessed to being Al Qaeda.</p>
<p>Two weeks later, media light off, and CENTCOM reveals that they never had anyone in custody for the bombing, except an Iraqi teenager they admitted wasn&#8217;t involved. </p>
<p>Who bombed that building? Why would Iraqis bomb the UN?</p>
<p>FOR SURE, Iraqis, muslims, did not burn the Koran-Torah Repository to the ground. That singular act of genocide has the rightwing Christofascist handwriting all over it.</p>
<p>Try Googling the name Stryber and the word Iraq. You&#8217;ll find out that a British merc outfit hired deathsquad mercenaries from S. Africa. Do you think racist white supremacists like Stryber care(d) about burning down or bombing mosques?</p>
<p>â€¢Â Bushco and CENTCOM failed to guard Al-Qaqaa, Hussein&#8217;s main ammo dump, previously under lockdown from the UN.</p>
<p>That is either an act of criminal negligence OR treason (and both). When you want to start a civil war, fire the security forces (create massive unemployment)(send the soldiers home with their AKs), fire the gov&#8217;t (ruthlessly unemploying thousands of upper middle-class Sunnis) by a one-day, no process deBaathification, and then go around raping the country and allowing rape of the country, until the people have lost all sense of community and shared needs. Shut off the water supply and the power, and blow up all the sewage plants so the children can die from dysentery along with their grandparents, and turn the power on and off, so that no one can keep milk or meat to feed their families. </p>
<p>Then drop hundreds of TONS of half-strength uranium into a country with killer sandstorms and hardpan soil, and induce generations of childhood leukemia and cancer cases, because children&#8217;s bodies preferentially take up uranium over calcium, taking the radioactive toxin into their bones, probably for the rest of their short lives. That method of killing violates the Hague Conventions, and in fact is a standalone defining case of genocide:</p>
<p><b>Article II</b>: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:</p>
<p>(a) Killing members of the group;<br />
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;<br />
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;<br />
<b>(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;<br />
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.</b></p>
<p>Preventing births, forceable transfer &#8212; both are examples of what so-called &#8216;depleted uranium&#8217; will do to those innocents, for a thousand years or more.&#8221;</p>
<p>THIS IS GENOCIDE, BY CIVIL WAR, AFTER VIOLENT INVASION. It is in every way a major warcrime, and under our existing year 1999 laws, is a <b>capital offense</b> under the 1997 War Crimes Act.</p>
<p>Such acts are NOT mistakes, not goofs, not botching, not failures of intelligence. They are evil, itself.</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe Iâ€™ll check out that Galbraith book. Any relation to John Kenneth, or is that a coincidence?&#8221;</p>
<p>His son.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3570412', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: owlbear1</title>
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		<dc:creator>owlbear1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Harman noted she â€œdoes not want us to leave Iraq.â€ Rather, she explained, â€œIâ€™m someone who supports an ongoing mission in Iraq. But I donâ€™t think a combat mission is the right mission.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For the United States of America, Iraq can only ever be a &#039;combat mission&#039;. George Bush and 20 years of sanctions have seen to that Senator.  Why don&#039;t you spend a few months working from the Green Zone. Modern communications are incredible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Harman noted she â€œdoes not want us to leave Iraq.â€ Rather, she explained, â€œIâ€™m someone who supports an ongoing mission in Iraq. But I donâ€™t think a combat mission is the right mission.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>For the United States of America, Iraq can only ever be a &#8216;combat mission&#8217;. George Bush and 20 years of sanctions have seen to that Senator.  Why don&#8217;t you spend a few months working from the Green Zone. Modern communications are incredible&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3570099', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ForTruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>ForTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So TP doesn&#039;t wanna gossip about Imus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So TP doesn&#8217;t wanna gossip about Imus?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3567403', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The UN authorized the invasion in 1991. We took the Iraqisâ€™ surrender, which under international law, gives us the authority to enforce its conditions. 
Comment by joe â€” April 8, 2007 @ 10:05 pm&lt;/i&gt;

Not to nitpick, but...

Iraq never surrendered. Saddam&#039;s regime agreed to a cease-fire, after a peace conference.

The conditions for the cease-fire did not include an Iraqi agreement to no-fly zones. 

&lt;i&gt;We set up the No Fly/No Drive zones under that authority.&lt;/i&gt;

These no-fly zones were unilaterally imposed by the US and the UK. They really didn&#039;t have the authority to establish them. The UN certainly never had a vote, and the UN resolution that the US and the UK argued gave them the legal basis for establishing them, doesn&#039;t mention the no-fly zones either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The UN authorized the invasion in 1991. We took the Iraqisâ€™ surrender, which under international law, gives us the authority to enforce its conditions.<br />
Comment by joe â€” April 8, 2007 @ 10:05 pm</i></p>
<p>Not to nitpick, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Iraq never surrendered. Saddam&#8217;s regime agreed to a cease-fire, after a peace conference.</p>
<p>The conditions for the cease-fire did not include an Iraqi agreement to no-fly zones. </p>
<p><i>We set up the No Fly/No Drive zones under that authority.</i></p>
<p>These no-fly zones were unilaterally imposed by the US and the UK. They really didn&#8217;t have the authority to establish them. The UN certainly never had a vote, and the UN resolution that the US and the UK argued gave them the legal basis for establishing them, doesn&#8217;t mention the no-fly zones either.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3566849', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul from LA,

&lt;em&gt;You keep implying they did.&lt;/em&gt; (US troops taking up positions in Kurdistan prior to the war).

No, I don&#039;t.  I&#039;m talking about the security guarantee and the air support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul from LA,</p>
<p><em>You keep implying they did.</em> (US troops taking up positions in Kurdistan prior to the war).</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m talking about the security guarantee and the air support.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3566588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t relate very well there, either, shane.   Sorry, but you may be stuck with me.

Paul in LA, the Turks look towards the Kurds &lt;em&gt;lovingly?&lt;/em&gt;  Did history end, too?  That&#039;s pretty, er, optimistic.

As far as the status of the Kurdish state, that&#039;s probably going to end up as muddled as Taiwan.  The Turks, Kurds, Iranians, and what&#039;s left of the rest are Iraq are all going to want to hear different things - OR WAR!  Real federalism with the rest of Iraq probably isn&#039;t on the table for years, maybe a lot of them, if ever.  Is that where you think our diplomatic efforts should go, towards a federalist Iraqi state?

And the &quot;deliberate civil war&quot; thing - do you think Bush and Cheney screwed up the Katrina response on purpose, too?  This adminstration fixed their political fortunes to the success of the Iraq project, and the civil war has destroyed not on their hopes for Iraq, but their presidency, their party, and the future of neoconservative ideology.  One segment of the Sunni insurgency, led by religious fanatics, deliberately provoked a civil war by attacking the Shiites, in order to make Bush&#039;s effort to install a goverment fail.  Bush couldn&#039;t stop it, the Shiites took the bait, and the civil war broke out.  I don&#039;t think what we&#039;ve seen in Iraq was how they intended it to play out.

Maybe I&#039;ll check out that Galbraith book.  Any relation to John Kenneth, or is that a coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t relate very well there, either, shane.   Sorry, but you may be stuck with me.</p>
<p>Paul in LA, the Turks look towards the Kurds <em>lovingly?</em>  Did history end, too?  That&#8217;s pretty, er, optimistic.</p>
<p>As far as the status of the Kurdish state, that&#8217;s probably going to end up as muddled as Taiwan.  The Turks, Kurds, Iranians, and what&#8217;s left of the rest are Iraq are all going to want to hear different things &#8211; OR WAR!  Real federalism with the rest of Iraq probably isn&#8217;t on the table for years, maybe a lot of them, if ever.  Is that where you think our diplomatic efforts should go, towards a federalist Iraqi state?</p>
<p>And the &#8220;deliberate civil war&#8221; thing &#8211; do you think Bush and Cheney screwed up the Katrina response on purpose, too?  This adminstration fixed their political fortunes to the success of the Iraq project, and the civil war has destroyed not on their hopes for Iraq, but their presidency, their party, and the future of neoconservative ideology.  One segment of the Sunni insurgency, led by religious fanatics, deliberately provoked a civil war by attacking the Shiites, in order to make Bush&#8217;s effort to install a goverment fail.  Bush couldn&#8217;t stop it, the Shiites took the bait, and the civil war broke out.  I don&#8217;t think what we&#8217;ve seen in Iraq was how they intended it to play out.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll check out that Galbraith book.  Any relation to John Kenneth, or is that a coincidence?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3566481', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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