McCain: It’s ‘Fun’ When I ‘Misspeak’ About Progress In Iraq
McCain: It’s ‘Fun’ When I ‘Misspeak’ About Progress In Iraq
In a recent TV interview, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) criticized CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, saying he didn’t know what was going on in Iraq. As proof of progress, McCain claimed, “General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed humvee.” Tonight in a 60 Minutes interview, McCain acknowledged that statement was a lie. He said “there is no unarmored humvees. Obviously, that’s the case.” He excused himself, saying, “I’m trying to make the point over and over and over again that we are making progress.”
McCain also previously claimed that there are neighborhoods that you can walk around freely, claiming his heavily-armed stroll through a Baghdad market was an example. Tonight, McCain said he can “understand why they would provide me with that security.”
“Of course I’m gonna misspeak,” McCain said. “I’ve done it on numerous occasions. And I probably will in the future. I regret that when I divert attention to something that I’ve said from my message. But that’s just life. And I’m happy, frankly, with the way I operate. Otherwise it’d be a lot less fun.” Watch the segment:
60 Minutes host Scott Pelley noted that McCain had been a fierce critic of Donald Rumsfeld but seems to “give President Bush a pass.” McCain responded, “I say that he is responsible and I will continue to say that he is responsible. Should I look back in anger? Or should I look forward?”
McCain harbors no anger because he has been an early cheerleader of ill-conceived Iraq war and remains one today.
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Sicko
April 8th, 2007 at 8:20 pmwow he’s crazy
April 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pmQuite frankly, I’d prefer Frank Drebbin over McCain for President.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pmHa, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha , Ha, Ha, Ha! This war is just so much fun! I almost die laughing when I read about soldiers dying, or car bombs, or IEDs, or kidnappings or torture or………! I am so glad McCain is having so much fun. I hope the voters will show him some fun in ‘08′
April 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pmHe’s lost it
April 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pm“I’m trying to make the point over and over and over again that we are making progress.â€
In other words, if I say it enough it’s true. Herman Goering said something similar to advance the Nazi cause.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmMcCain is ready for the men in white coats
April 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmput this deluded loon to bed
I’m so happy John McCain is having fun.
He’s having fun playing presidential candidate.
I’m having fun playing pharmacist. I write my own prescriptions just like Cindy McCain did a few years ago.
John
April 8th, 2007 at 8:25 pm#
Quite frankly, I’d prefer Frank Drebbin over McCain for President.
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire — April 8, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
I would prefer Charles Manson, he’s got a better grip on reality than McCrazy.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:29 pmwhazzamatter with truthful statements about “progress” in Iraq, McCain? Or aren’t there any??
April 8th, 2007 at 8:30 pmFolks I have always suspected McCain is in a drug induced haze.He is one sick man big time.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pmLosing its conservative base, the right wing is trying to shift focus to what it still excels in. Expect McCain to run under the title “Compassionate Liar”.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:33 pmrk,
Great post!
John
April 8th, 2007 at 8:34 pmThis twisted bastard should have been exterminated by HoChiMinh long ago…he is a detestable old warmonger who is trying to “WIN” in VietRAq the one we “LOST” in VietNam…Of course he will blame those who opposed the previous as well as the current war for losing/\ rather than the mistakes of past and present Administrations and their hawk supporters….Send all the Yanquis HOME…fix your own problems and leave the rest of us ALONE…WE don’t need your meddling….
April 8th, 2007 at 8:35 pmOld “21″ McCain…what a hero.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmThis is great for Obama. McCain is showing apparent senility, Rudy G. isn’t holding up to early scrutiny and Mitt R. is opening a chain of waffle houses. The NY Sun wants Cheney to run (http://www.nysun.com/article/51783) for goodness sake!
April 8th, 2007 at 8:38 pmdoes he drink?
April 8th, 2007 at 8:41 pmPASTY-FACED, FLIP-FLOPPING SCHIZOID PSYCHOPATH McPAIN—A NUT FOR ALL SEASONS, DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING FROM ONE MOMENT TO THE NEXT BECAUSE HE WAS BRAINWASHED BY THE CONG SO BAD THAT EVERY SO OFTEN HIS CEREBELLUM AND MEDULLA OBLONGATA GO INTO THE WASH, RINSE, SPIN AND TUMBLE CYCLES, NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER—CRAZY F*CK!!!!!
April 8th, 2007 at 8:49 pmKarma…
April 8th, 2007 at 8:51 pmDean…
April 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pmHas he gone mad?
April 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pm“Of course I’m gonna misspeak,†McCain said. “I’ve done it on numerous occasions. And I probably will in the future. I regret that when I divert attention to something that I’ve said from my message. But that’s just life. And I’m happy, frankly, with the way I operate. Otherwise it’d be a lot less fun.â€
Perhaps McCain should speak to the family and loved ones of the American soldiers killed today in Iraq. I’m certain they would appreciate his humor and enjoy the “fun” he’s having.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe next time the media refers to this deranged freak as a “centrist” let them know that he isn’t a centrist — WE ARE. GET US OUT OF IRAQ before McCain has any more fun.
April 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pmHahaha. He’s still lying. He didn’t mispeak. There was no mistaken miscommunication.
He said what he said. He got called on it. And then he flew to Iraq to try to prove his case. Instead he ended up disproving his case. If he had misspoken, he would have noticed it before he flew to Iraq and made a fool out of himself.
John McCain, Republican liar. Just like all the rest. No straight talk. No maverick. Just another lying sack of shit Republican politician.
Some of us were never fooled for a second.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:03 pmYea Senator?
Well 6 Americans died in combat today
Glad you’re having fun.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:05 pmOh yeah: the day after McCain’s foolish photo-op, 21 of those market vendors were abducted and killed. Their blood is on McCain’s hands. Was it worth it John? Because you will not be president now anyway. But they’re definitely dead.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:11 pmI was disappointed there was no mention of the market attacks that occurred after McCain’s visit, or the later interview with the vendor.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:13 pmI’m sure it’s equally fun for those getting killed or rendered handicapped in Iraq and their families. (sarcasm off)
April 8th, 2007 at 9:14 pmABC has a nice article out describing Bushs total (or voluntary?) ineptitude in Iraq. His total “hasardeur” approach led to little more than total chaos.
Bushs actions in Iraq served hardly any constitution. Especially not the one of Iraq.
What followed was the “rank amateurism and swaggering arrogance” of the occupation, under L. Paul Bremer’s Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which took big steps with little consultation with Iraqis, steps Allawi and many others see as blunders:
The Americans disbanded Iraq’s army, which Allawi said could have helped quell a rising insurgency in 2003. Instead, hundreds of thousands of demobilized, angry men became a recruiting pool for the resistance.
Purging tens of thousands of members of toppled President Saddam Hussein’s Baath party from government, school faculties and elsewhere left Iraq short on experienced hands at a crucial time.
An order consolidating decentralized bank accounts at the Finance Ministry bogged down operations of Iraq’s many state-owned enterprises.
abc
April 8th, 2007 at 9:16 pmI wonder if the families of the dead troops/injured troops think it’s funny.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:18 pmAs Bush uses Support our troops yet giving them nothing these comments show what the GOP thinks of the lives lost in this illegal invasion. Bush is praying for peace while he continues to do Satan’s work. Lieberman has dementia as he say Syria caused 9/11. Cheney will say anything for the money. The media is pushing the lies about Iraq while Al Sadr is taking control. Al Sadr has got the support of the Middle East leaders and Bush appointee Maliki is pushed out. Notice the press isn’t talking about the Saudi Kings comment that he wants the US out of Iraq.
Cuckoo…Cuckoo…Cuckoo Sounds to me like he’s saying he lied. He’s done it on numerous occasions, will do it again and, frankly, lying is how he operates. It’s a lot more fun when he lies. Weeeeee
John, when you misspeak about the truth, that makes you a liar. Gawd these people are stooopid.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:23 pmfrom atrios: McCain is going for that emperor Palpatine look
April 8th, 2007 at 9:25 pmMcCain is flashing out of his hands while shouting: I misspeak. Muahahaha. I misspeak.
I’ve been saying all along that there’s something physically wrong with McCain.
I truly apologize for that.
Now I realize McCain is simply a sick f*ck.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:28 pmhip lie im not going to die the translators dead hardly fled. muahaha. i misspeak
April 8th, 2007 at 9:29 pm(taliban beheaded some translator on sunday)
#31-
He did become defensive about his age as an issue for voters.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:36 pmHe did become defensive about his age as an issue for voters.
Comment by Anderson
Naturally. He’s got enough of a brain left to realize he’s all messed up. Even the sheep can’t be buying the “old” argument.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:43 pmAlthough your clip captures the reason why this man is insane and unfit for any leadership position. The real meat and potatoes campaign clip was in the first 10 seconds of this interview and was a true jaw dropping moment.
Steve Croft: At what point do you stop doing what you think is right,
and you start doing what the majority of the American people want.
John McCain: Well again, I disagree with what the majority of the American people want.
That my friends is a wonderful commercial. Just bring up the black screen having a simple message: John McCain in his own words. Perhaps a little echo on the repeating of these words as the sound fades:
“I disagree with what the majority of the American people want”
April 8th, 2007 at 9:44 pm“I disagree with what the majority of the American people want”
“I disagree with what the majority of the American people want”
Wonder how long until McCain checks into rehab and what it will be for?
Seems like the only way he can make sense of his recent lapse of sanity.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:49 pmdope
April 8th, 2007 at 9:51 pmIt’ll make great theater for the presidential race. Every time he says something addled like this, his opponents just repeat the old Reagan debate line:” well, heh, there you go again . . .” and point to this statement.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:55 pm“I disagree with what the majority of the American people wantâ€
Comment by Screw Bush
Wow. Someone needs to quietly take him aside, shove him in a room, lock the door, and throw away the key.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWonder how long until McCain checks into rehab and what it will be for?
Seems like the only way he can make sense of his recent lapse of sanity.
Comment by shane
I don’t think they have rehab for dementia.
Yikes.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:57 pm#35-
Good point. He also said he disagrees with Congress. Seems to be taking the exact same position of gw.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:02 pmMcCain is sick and that is no joke. For a person who saw the atrocities of war first hand I can’t imagine how he would find humor in today’s war and its atrocities. It’s time for him to apologize to our soldiers and the american public and leave public office.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:14 pmMcCain has definately gone insane, so he must cancel his run for the presidency, and retire from the Senate as well. He needs to be admited to a mental ward at a VA hospital in Arizona.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:26 pmWe just witnessed the end of McCain’s political career, for all the nation to see, on 60 Minutes tonight.
I’m proud of Steve Pelley - he didn’t cut McCain much slack… I still miss Ed Bradley though. That man had a brass spine when it came to asking the tough questions and remaining unbiased.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:33 pmHe needs to be admited to a mental ward at a VA hospital in Arizona.
Comment by Jay Randal — April 8, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
or Walter Reed.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:35 pmFaiz - Re-read the quote you attribute to McCain. Next, identify the way you have spun WHAT he said with your headline and the context of your story. Finally, award yourself the “Big Spin of the Evening” Award. You have earned it!! Congratulations!
April 8th, 2007 at 10:40 pmYou have earned it!! Congratulations!
Comment by valiant venus
Your guests made an early get-away this evening, eh Haggie?
April 8th, 2007 at 10:45 pmMA has become valiant venus on here? LOL does she still claim to be a lawyer in San Diego, California?
April 8th, 2007 at 10:50 pmLying and spinning death and chaos are fun! Tra-la Tra-lee!
Well, to each their own, as they say.
April 8th, 2007 at 10:54 pmMA has become valiant venus on here? LOL does she still claim to be a lawyer in San Diego, California?
Comment by Jay Randal
Yep Jay, that’s our old MA. Still tries the old lawyer/mother thing, but it doesn’t fly. Pretty sad, actually….
April 8th, 2007 at 10:54 pmValiant Venus,
Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that Faiz’s title isn’t strictly accurate and that you’ve got a minor, although trivial point. Do you have anything worthwhile to say about the SUBSTANCE of the article? Or would you rather avoid the real issue and try to distract us from the utter awfulness of McCain’s frivolous and callous attitude toward the suffering and death of innocent people?
April 8th, 2007 at 10:56 pmFinally, award yourself the “Big Spin of the Evening†Award. You have earned it!! Congratulations! Comment by valiant venus — April 8, 2007 @ 10:40 pm
Project much? St*pid little c*nt?
You really should get a new therapist, this one has just made you batsh*t crazy little girl. No wonder you look so thin on your myspace page, you’re a lunatic!
April 8th, 2007 at 11:01 pmHe doesn’t want to divert attention to his message by speaking.
***BAM***
My head just exploded.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:02 pmMark, for the sake of argument, your contention might deserve a response when you name ONE war in recorded history without innocent people (unfortunately) being injured and killed….The title and story are completely inaccurate - nice of you to gloss over that……your moral relativism is convenient and exponential…..and sadly, not surprising.
Tooodles…..
April 8th, 2007 at 11:04 pm***BAM***
My head just exploded.
Comment by People in the Sun
You gotta clean that up….ewww.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:04 pmMark Colby, meet valiant venus (fka Mighty Aphrodite) (aka Hagfish).
She is an unrepentent liar, and will never answer a single question. She will, however, condescend to you at every opportunity.
Have fun!
April 8th, 2007 at 11:10 pmValiant Venus,
You haven’t replied to my post. What you said against my post is an evasion of the challenge I made against you. It’s also an example of a (futile) attempt to try to change the subject. McCain’s own words convicted him.
By the way, I’m a professor of philosophy and am well versed in ethical theory, especially issues about relativism. I’m not a relativist, but rather a Kantian, which means the complete rejection of moral relativism.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:12 pmInteresting Easter story:
Last Easter, at the lovely Clearwater Hills Estates in Paradise Valley Arizona. It was on a county island, and in the desert mountains. The inlaws hosted a lovely brunch. The children were dressed nicely and hunting for eggs. The nice cat they have, wanted to offer her Easter gifts. And arrived with a dead baby bunny in its mouth. We of course tried to put a stop to that business and quickly disposed of the cute little dead bunny. The cat then came back with a second cute dead little bunny. It was horrific. I processed the trauma this year, with my son. He said he picked up one and thought it was a chew toy before he realised it was real.
This year no dead baby bunnies. I did see one adult live one, and some quail running around. The cat was still annoying.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:14 pmSICK!!!
Say no more, say no more.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:15 pmRegarding the impeachment resolutions in the various states: none have gotten as far as being sent to the House of Representatives. I did a bit of research into the Jefferson Manual and was motivated to send this message to Kucinich:
Perhaps if enough of us encouraged him, he just might do it.
One thing is certain, if Kucinich did introduce such charges on the House floor, it would be the political equivalent of the 2004 tsunami.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:15 pmComment by Mark Colby — April 8, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
That’s our Haggie — aka valiant venus. The most vile creature walking the planet.
Good luck!
April 8th, 2007 at 11:19 pmYes “Tooodles” gives away venus as MA.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:19 pmThis year no dead baby bunnies. I did see one adult live one, and some quail running around. The cat was still annoying.
Comment by ForTruth
That’s deliciously sick. :D
April 8th, 2007 at 11:20 pmCmon V V you can do better than that bit of nonsensical rhetoric.
Mark, for the sake of argument, your contention might deserve a response when you name ONE war in recorded history without innocent people (unfortunately) being injured and killed (wtf? McCain said it was safe?)….The title and story are completely inaccurate (how is a quote inaccurate?)- nice of you to gloss over that (blah blah blah)(……your moral relativism is convenient and exponential (blah blah)…..and sadly, not surprising. (blah blah)
So V V said this, “Name one war that innocent people didn’t die in”
Excising all the oratorial rhetoric.
Okay V V, besides all the useless words, what has that got to do with McCain?
April 8th, 2007 at 11:21 pmOne thing is certain, if Kucinich did introduce such charges on the House floor, it would be the political equivalent of the 2004 tsunami.
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire
Email sent. :-)
April 8th, 2007 at 11:22 pmThat rhetoric sh_t ait gonna cut it V V no matter how many exponentials and tangential moralistic relatavistic words you throw into the mix.
You hear me?
April 8th, 2007 at 11:24 pmYou hear me?
Comment by Zep Tepi
You might as well bang your head on the desk, Zep.
Just sayin’
April 8th, 2007 at 11:27 pmComment by Mark Colby — April 8, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
I am pleased to make your acquaintance. It has been a while since I’ve had the opportunity to discuss Kantian Metaphysics. And, since last I read Kant, I’ve studied shamanism a bit.
So I have a question for you, if you don’t mind. Given the Kant position on Transcendental Idealism:
How can that be squared with the commonality of experiences of shamans from different cultures?
April 8th, 2007 at 11:29 pmYou might as well bang your head on the desk, Zep.
Just sayin’
Comment by Zooey;
But it makes dents in the desk so I had to give that up =)
V V quit typing that crap and say what you mean and not that stupid easily deciphered and stupid lawyer rhetoric crap. You are one ignorant person of you think that is gonna fool people today. Jeez get over your high and mighty education you aint fooling no one but yourself.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:32 pmZooey and Zep Tepi,
I’ve been reading TP for several months and have refrained from posting to Jake or Valiant Venus except twice, once to each of them, because it seems hopeless to attempt to engage them in any worthwhile intellectual debate, but my temperamental optimism got the better of me. (I’ve learned my lesson now.) I don’t know anything about either of these individuals, but they seem incapable of even a basic degree of understanding, perhaps because of emotional immaturity or educational inadequacy. I don’t understand how you two (and others whom I’ve read here, such as Unbelievable, have the motivation to continue trying to reason with them. Maybe you are made of sterner stuff than I am, in which case I salute you.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:33 pmmark colby
Zooey is a defender of Dianne Feinstein
April 8th, 2007 at 11:34 pmOh. So that’s what ‘Straight Talk’ is. ‘I’m crazy as a loon but I like it that way.”
Unbelievable.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:36 pmHello Briseadh_na_faire,
I’ve noted the intellectual sophistication of your posts, and I salute you as well. To briefly answer your question, the Kantian view would be that the commonality of experience of shamans (or any other human beings) from different cultures and time periods is due to the uniformity of the human mind across cultures or history. (This is one of Kant’s fundamental assumptions.) No human mind, whatever the cuture or historical period, can hope to transcend the limits of sensory experience.
To be polite to other readers of TP, I don’t want to hijack this thread. I’d be pleased to expand on Kant with you by private e-mail. Just do a search at the Columbia University website for me and my e-mail address will show up. (I’m assuming that this post doesn’t violate the TP rules.)
April 8th, 2007 at 11:38 pmMaybe you are made of sterner stuff than I am, in which case I salute you.
Comment by Mark Colby
No reason involved, Mark. I’m playing “whack-a-troll.” :-)
Welcome!
April 8th, 2007 at 11:39 pmKant’s arguments are designed to show the limitations of our knowledge.
Heh.
I find this argument flawed. Knowledge is what we read ansd study, but not what is contained in our unused DNA. Kant seems to look for knowledge in past written works, when in fact that knowledge lies within and is not written.
Such then is the commanality squared when one realizes it is not the cards, nor the runes, nor the crystal ball, nor any of these, but YOU.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:39 pmZooey is a defender of Dianne Feinstein
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
You are so full of shit, your eyeballs are brown.
I said I admired her in the 70s, when she handled things so well after the murder of the Mayor and a City Councilman, but I had lost respect for her.
If you feel the need to say something mean about me, say something that’s true.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:41 pmSEN. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee
She didnt’ think it was part of her natural personality
Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her husband Richard C. Blum’s ownership of two major defense contractors, who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects approved by Feinstein
Feinstein calls for Attorney General Gonzales to resign
By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer
Sunday, March 25, 2007
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(03-25) 14:04 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) —
Sen. Dianne Feinstein called Sunday for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign over the firings of eight U.S. attorneys, saying he’d lost her confidence and hadn’t told her the truth.
Feinstein, D-Calif. and a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, had held off on calling for Gonzales to step down even as many leading Democrats and some Republicans did so in recent weeks.
“I believe he should step down. And I don’t like saying this. This is not my natural personality at all,” Feinstein said on Fox News Sunday. “But I think the nation is not well served by this. I think we need to get at the bottom of why these resignations were made, who ordered them, and what the strategy was.”
April 8th, 2007 at 11:43 pmZooey
April 8th, 2007 at 11:45 pmYou crapped all over people for questioning Feinstein
YOU are full of shi…t
Zooey and Zep Tepi,
I’ve been reading TP for several months and have refrained from posting to Jake or Valiant Venus
We have been here for years and it’s an ongoing battle. Jake, Jason Hendler, Seixon, IRI etc etc And they are good at spin.
I think V V actually enjoys the banter and in acuality it has promoted the progressive movement while degrading theirs =) They rely upon misleading statements while we rely on facts.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:45 pm“I disagree with what the majority of the American people wantâ€
Too bad he didn’t disagree with the majority of American people when they support the war.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:46 pmZooey
April 8th, 2007 at 11:47 pmYou crapped all over people for questioning Feinstein
For anybody still around, this Tom Waits rendition of Chocolate Jesus is sho nuff mighty fine.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThe only thing that I cannot understand about McCain is why he considers the burdens of our forces in Iraq so trivial that he must misspeak and joke about their suffering. It seems that he supports our service personnel on the same level as W. It’s four years into the conflict and now we are finally treating our hallowed dead as something more than simple freight. Beautiful minds have different criteria. They need not be bothered.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:48 pmZooey
You crapped all over people for questioning Feinstein
YOU are full of shi…t
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
You are a f*cking liar. I know what I said, and I know how it was twisted, ChildrenofLir.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:49 pmSo venomous p*nis, by moral relativism, do you mean like your defense of Gingrich for his criticism of Pelosi for doing the same (actually less) than he did while speaker?
Ah, the hypocrisy of a right wing nut - it never disappoints in its consistent stupidity and idiocy…
April 8th, 2007 at 11:49 pmZooey
April 8th, 2007 at 11:50 pmYou crap all over people for questioning Feinstein
Zooey
You crapped all over people for questioning Feinstein
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
Repeat it all you want, it doesn’t make it true.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:50 pm(This is one of Kant’s fundamental assumptions.) No human mind, whatever the cuture or historical period, can hope to transcend the limits of sensory experience.
That is not, I think, true. You can break thru our entropy. You only need to access your unused DNA. It is a tough mental task but it is surely feasible.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:50 pmZooey
April 8th, 2007 at 11:51 pmHow much are paid to defend Feinstein. Not enough obviously, or you failed at your job, cause she’s gone.
What if McCain was full of crap all along, and these are his true colors?
April 8th, 2007 at 11:51 pmYou attacked me for questioning Feinsteins waffling on “it’s against my true personality”
You attacked me for questioning her motivations.
So I ask you. What were you defending.
Now you say you don’t defend her at al
April 8th, 2007 at 11:53 pmTo be polite to other readers of TP, I don’t want to hijack this thread. I’d be pleased to expand on Kant with you by private e-mail. Just do a search at the Columbia University website for me and my e-mail address will show up. (I’m assuming that this post doesn’t violate the TP rules.) -Mark
Eh No, I aint being no guinea pig. Look what Socrates said was true, when you have broken thru that entropic state things happen. Air eggs pop all around one. That is what he meant by his being a mid-wife.
You must think past what you were taught. In you lies what we never wrote.
April 8th, 2007 at 11:54 pmThat is not, I think, true. You can break thru our entropy. You only need to access your unused DNA
Zep Tepi
April 8th, 2007 at 11:55 pmYou pretend to sound intellectual. It’s a stupid game that people have already found out.
You waste the time of real people who have real problems
Zooey
How much are paid to defend Feinstein. Not enough obviously, or you failed at your job, cause she’s gone.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
ChildrenofLir,
Are you off your medication again? Are you going to fill this thread with your insane rantings — again?
April 8th, 2007 at 11:56 pmFor anybody still around, this Tom Waits rendition of Chocolate Jesus is sho nuff mighty fine.
Comment by stonehinge
Jesus only did what Socrates or Hermes, or I did.
Dayum
wtf is so hard about breaking thru your mental entropy?
Why are people so hard headed?
April 8th, 2007 at 11:57 pmZep Tepi You pretend to sound intellectual. It’s a stupid game that people have already found out. You waste the time of real people who have real problems
Huh? I haven’t been to college nor have I ever professed being an ‘intellectual’ which is just another word for a rote trained parrot of books.
You don’t seem to grasp what I’m saying.
IT IS NOT WRITTEN. NOR WILL I WRITE IT.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:00 amZep Tepi,
I don’t think it’s a matter of anyone being “hard headed,” as you put it, but rather that anyone is capable of being mistaken and not even realize it. This is one of the reasons why it takes someone like a Kant to show the limits of what’s possible for human beings to know. Those limits might not be clear to anyone without deep, systematic, specialized study.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:01 amF’k you Zooey
You won’t defend your position on Feinstein
She’s sold out to the war profiteers and she hides
ANd you defend her.
You defend her war profiteering
YOU ARE A DEFENDER OF WAR PROFITEERING ZOOEY
April 9th, 2007 at 12:01 amZep tepi
Grasp this if you can
There are many people who think by virtue of their privilege that they know something. However those people know nothing. And you are one of them.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:04 amThis is one of the reasons why it takes someone like a Kant to show the limits of what’s possible for human beings to know.
Okay, fine, what does Kant know that I can’t?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:06 amJohn, you’re an idiot. A lying fool. DON’T go away mad, just go away.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:06 amAnd take your twin Joe Lieberman with you………….
YOU ARE A DEFENDER OF WAR PROFITEERING ZOOEY
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
You are an insane liar, ChildrenofLir. Apparently, you think you can decide what someone is thinking at any given moment, and that’s just the “truth” of things.
Why did you change your name, ChildrenofLir? Too many people calling you out on your nutty crap? Had to go undercover?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:08 amThere are many people who think by virtue of their privilege that they know something. However those people know nothing. And you are one of them.
Privilege? What are you on about? I am poor and have had no privilege. And you know that I know nothing by reading some fonts on a screen?
And you accuse me of knowing nothing? I say you are one of them sir.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:08 amThis is one of the reasons why it takes someone like a Kant to show the limits of what’s possible for human beings to know
Zep Tepi
Climb off your perch
and listen
You don’t have a clue what Kant was on about. SO quit trying to sound so f’cking smart.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:11 amZoo, ignore the a-hole.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:12 amAnd If Kant knows it then we all know it right?
And if Kants knowledge comes from his DNA then why Kan’t you know it? Huh? Privilege has NOTHING to do with inherent knowledge.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:12 amPrivilege? What are you on about? I am poor and have had no privilege. And you know that I know nothing by reading some fonts on a screen?
And you accuse me of knowing nothing? I say you are one of them sir.
I accuse you of being a pathetic snob.
You’re poor. Fine. Let’s talk about poor. . You have no privilege. Fine. Let’s talk about that. You think you know about Kant. FIne. Let’s talk about that. But that’s all crap. THis is a blog about politics. NOT KANT.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:13 amZooey
April 9th, 2007 at 12:15 amAnswer a f’ckin qustion. Why do you defend Feinstein? You and she are sell outs of the Democratic party, and of progressives in general.
Zep,
The question you asked in #98 is relevant also to people like Jake and Valiant Venus, namely, what does someone else know that I’m not in a position to know? For example, I teach critical thinking, so I know what the rules of valid reasoning are and the hundreds of ways in which people violate those rules. (For example, Valiant Venus violated one by trying to change the subject.) How can I teach Valiant Venus what he or she doesn’t know and doesn’t realize that he or she doesn’t know, so that our political disagreements can be more worthwhile? The answer is: I can’t. Valiant Venus would have to take a course in critical thinking and also have enough intellectual and emotional maturity to be willing to learn how to reason better. To connect this to your question about Kant, what he claims to know is that there are absolute limits to knowledge. But in order to understand what this means, you’d have to take a course in philosophy. Unfortunately, in the end it all comes down to people’s differences in education, temperament, and intellectual and emotional maturity. When those differences are too great, such as between me and Jake or Valiant Venus, there can be very little worthwhile discussion.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:15 amZoo, ignore the a-hole.
Comment by Juan C
Thanks Juan, I was just getting there. :)
Crazy time!
April 9th, 2007 at 12:15 amZep,
Try to ignore this insane troll.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:18 amYou don’t have a clue what Kant was on about. SO quit trying to sound so f’cking smart.
I have never said I was smart. And really I could give a crap less what Kant wrote. I have my own mind and don’t need some scholarly rhetoric crap to tell me how my mind works, OK?
KANT is irrelavent as far as I’m concerned.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:19 amZooey
April 9th, 2007 at 12:19 amYou are an example of why the democratic party will lose the next election. You have no principles not beliefs no nothing, just a sense of you, and you, and you, and what you need, and you and, oh yes, you.
Zooey
You crapped all over people for questioning Feinstein
YOU are full of shi…t
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
You are a f*cking liar. I know what I said, and I know how it was twisted, ChildrenofLir.
Comment by Zooey — April 8, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Zooey that isn’t how I remembered that discussion either - is this COL and was that the day COL went wacky?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:20 amZooey
ANswer the question Zooey.
Why did you defend Feinstein? She and her husband have been selling us out for years and when someone dared to question it, you jumped on them. WHY?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:21 amComment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:15 am
You’re WAY out of line.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:21 am72 - I’ve sent you an email.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:22 amTo connect this to your question about Kant, what he claims to know is that there are absolute limits to knowledge. But in order to understand what this means, you’d have to take a course in philosophy
What he claims to know you repeat as truth. Genius!! But in order to claim what this means, although its only a claim that he knows, you must read more CRAP….
No I do not need a course in philosophy. It’s mental masturbation, OK, just leave me and it at that.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:23 amComment by Zep Tepi — April 8, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Do you have a link to more information on that?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:23 amZooey that isn’t how I remembered that discussion either - is this COL and was that the day COL went wacky?
Comment by shane
Yes, this is CoL — clearly still insane.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:23 amI have never said I was smart. And really I could give a crap less what Kant wrote. I have my own mind and don’t need some scholarly rhetoric crap to tell me how my mind works, OK?
KANT is irrelavent as far as I’m concerned.
If that is true Zep Tepi, then why do you go on about Kant? Except to SOUND intelligent? Why bother?
And while you’re going on and on about Kant and then on about how you;re too stupid to know anythign about Kant, people are dying in Iraq.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:24 amZooey
April 9th, 2007 at 12:25 amAnswer the question about Dianne Feinstein.
Zooey
April 9th, 2007 at 12:26 amYou defended Dianne Feinstein and you don’t have the guts to stand up for what you stated. You’re a coward and Dianne Feinstein is a sellout.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:19 am
You help us all understand why psychiatrists have reinstituted the use of electroshock therapy.
Maybe you should try using perscribed medications on a more regular basis because you’re not headed for a good place.
Good luck to you.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:30 am“I believe he should step down. And I don’t like saying this. This is not my natural personality at all,” Feinstein said on Fox News Sunday
What is her natural personality?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:31 amDo you have a link to more information on that?
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire
The emerald tablets discuss this method of meditation by raising (not lowering) your frequencies. If you get it right it will feel as if your laying on a vibrating bed. You will perhaps jump off the bed, because you don’t know whats happening, And you will still vibrate for perhaps a half hour.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:31 amShane
April 9th, 2007 at 12:32 amYou think you represent the left? progressives? to just push off anyone who questions the elite? what kind of fascists are you?
You are an example of why the democratic party will lose the next election.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:19 am
If anybody asks you please remember you’re a Republican.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:32 amIf that is true Zep Tepi, then why do you go on about Kant? Except to SOUND intelligent? Why bother?
Because you are. I have never read his works. What make you think you are so intelligent?
Why bother arguing with me? What makes you think you can judge me over an internet connection?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:33 am“Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has abruptly walked away from her responsibilities with the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee after a report linked her votes to the financial well-being of her husband’s companies, which received billions of dollars worth of military construction contracts she approved.â€
HER HUSBAND MADE MONEY OFF OF HER MILITARY CONTRACTS.
How are they any different, any better than BushCo? How? Tell me
April 9th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Answer the question, why aren’t you taking your medication?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:35 amWhy do you avoid the topic? Dianne Feinstein and her husband have made beacoups of bucks off of war. And you defend her? why? because she’s a democrat? She’s not a democrat in my opinion. Nor are you.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:36 amComment by Zep Tepi — April 9, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Zep, the professor is for real. I’ve studied some kantian philosophy and would object to it being called mental masturbation. It is merely one path among many, each seeking to determine the truth about the nature of the Universe.
I, for example, am still trying to understand the nature and scope of shamanic journeying and healing. To that end, I am curious about your claim of accessing unused DNA. And I am also interested in the Professor’s understanding of metaphysics.
I guess what I’m asking is that you be … tolerant, if that’s the right word, of philosophers. And I’m asking this because I value your posts and your insight. I’ve never seen you go off on someone like Prof. Colby before. After all, he’s on our side, you know.
Peace.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:36 amShane
April 9th, 2007 at 12:37 amWhat kind of fascist are you? you don’t welcome questions? i’m asking a question about Dianne Feinstein? and every time i ask the question i get called names and other things. And you have just piled on and you don’t even know why.
You are an example of why the democratic party will lose the next election.
SO why then sir, did they lose the house and senate in 2006? Because they were intelligent enough to see thru your BS? Thru your hypocrisy? Thru your false cloak?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:38 amYou think you represent the left? progressives? to just push off anyone who questions the elite? what kind of fascists are you?
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:32 am
no. no. yes. how many kinds are there?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:38 am125 - thanks. I’ll check it out.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:39 amZep, the professor is for real. I’ve studied some kantian philosophy and would object to it being called mental masturbation. It is merely one path among many, each seeking to determine the truth about the nature of the Universe.
I, for example, am still trying to understand the nature and scope of shamanic journeying and healing. To that end, I am curious about your claim of accessing unused DNA. And I am also interested in the Professor’s understanding of metaphysics.
What fu’cking crap are you talking about? You think people don’t know that you are full of sh’t. Come on. There are many people out here studying the occult. And you don’t pass muster.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:39 amSO why then sir, did they lose the house and senate in 2006?
I can read the future like Briseadh na blach
April 9th, 2007 at 12:41 amShe’s not a democrat in my opinion. Nor are you.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:36 am
And remember to tell your interrogators that you’re not either. Thanks.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:41 amGoodnight, Zep, Shane & Briseadh na Faire.
Thanks for your kindness, but my presence only inflames right now.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:43 amguess what I’m asking is that you be … tolerant, if that’s the right word, of philosophers. And I’m asking this because I value your posts and your insight. I’ve never seen you go off on someone like Prof. Colby before. After all, he’s on our side, you know.
Peace.
Comment by Briseadh_na_faire
I am tolerant of professors but not of blind accusations by those who have had the fortune to study such things in detail.
Where is it written that one can only attain a higher level by reading anothers work? Why would that be so? Why cannot I think on my own? Do I really need a piece of paper to prove I can think for myself?
I wish you peace as well BNF, and Kant can no more prove his theory than I can show you the path, indeed we must all find our own path.
I do not ever try to sound intellectual that is just the way I am. I am what I am.
Namaste BNF.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:43 amZooey
April 9th, 2007 at 12:44 amRun away. as you always do. Coward.
Zooey is a coward
April 9th, 2007 at 12:44 amI can read the future like Briseadh na blach
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
Yeh and Karl has the numbers….
April 9th, 2007 at 12:44 amZooey can dish it out but she can’t take it
April 9th, 2007 at 12:45 amZooey dishes it out but she can’t take it
April 9th, 2007 at 12:45 amShe’s a coward
Zooey runs away
April 9th, 2007 at 12:46 amBye Zooey get lost
Your input is worthless unless you’re willing to defend it
which you’re not
zooey run away
run far away
you have only yourself to live with
What fu’cking crap are you talking about? You think people don’t know that you are full of sh’t. Come on. There are many people out here studying the occult. And you don’t pass muster.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
Why would I study the Occult, never have nor intend to, there is no need to do such. Damnit man its all in YOU.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:46 amYeh and Karl has the numbers….
Get the numbers Zep
April 9th, 2007 at 12:47 amI aint going anywhere BOBFBOO
April 9th, 2007 at 12:47 amWhat kind of fascist are you? you don’t welcome questions? i’m asking a question about Dianne Feinstein? and every time i ask the question i get called names and other things. And you have just piled on and you don’t even know why.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:37 am
How many kinds are there. I do. I don’t live in Dianne Feinstein’s California so what can I do about her. My Senators are Obama and Durbin. How much time should I invest in a Senator I can’t vote against. You don’t ask questions. You state your convictions and expect others to argue even if they agree with you. I piled on because this is the second time I’ve seen you hijack a thread over Feinstein. Do you live in California. Because I have a problem with people who complain about other’s Senators and representative and have total jerks in their districts but pay no attention.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:48 amHey BNF
You don’t get to say Namaste. Sorry. YOu lie and then you pervert Namaste. No sorry. That’s not accepted.
your Namaste is rejected.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:49 am“I’m trying to make the point over and over and over again that we are making progress.â€
TO KIND OF CATAPULT THE PROPAGANDA.
Sound familiar?
He’s not just using Bushs script, he’s making the same mistakes as well.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:50 amZooey is a coward
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:44 am
But tomorrow she’ll be here and you’ll still be batshit crazy.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:50 amDon’t get cute Shane
By hijack a thread you mean someone has an opinion differing from yours or from the elite status quo.
You and your owners are NOT the arbiters of what gets said.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:52 amShane
April 9th, 2007 at 12:53 amWhy do you fight Zooey’s battles unless you are Zooey.
Get the numbers Zep
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOi
Numbers? All nunbers are infinite!
LMAO, don’t you realize that its YOU and not the cards or the numbers?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:54 amZooey/Shane
April 9th, 2007 at 12:54 amHow much do they pay you to defend Feinstein?
How much money do you get ShaneZooey?
April 9th, 2007 at 12:55 amIs it worth it?
ZooeyShane
April 9th, 2007 at 12:56 amIs it worth It?
post
April 9th, 2007 at 12:56 ampost two
April 9th, 2007 at 12:57 amShane
Why do you fight Zooey’s battles unless you are Zooey.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
LMAO, such great powers of ESP!
Shane is not Zooey, Rachel.
April 9th, 2007 at 12:57 amZep Tepi, Zooey, and Shane are all the same people
April 9th, 2007 at 12:57 amZooey, Shane, Zep Tepi, are all the same person
April 9th, 2007 at 12:58 amZooey, Shane, Zep Tepi - one and the same
April 9th, 2007 at 12:59 amRachel, Zep Tepi, Shane, Zooey - all the same person
April 9th, 2007 at 12:59 amZooey, Rachel, Shane, Zep Tepi - all the same person
April 9th, 2007 at 1:00 amBy hijack a thread you mean someone has an opinion differing from yours or from the elite status quo.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:52 am
No I mean you keep repeating the same thing about Feinstein over and over. And nobody disagrees with you and you accuse everybody of defending her.
I suspect you may not be crazy, you just have your own special style of trolling. Either way, the topic is McCain not Feinstein.
April 9th, 2007 at 1:01 amZep Tepi, Zooey, and Shane are all the same people
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
No, they aren’t. Guess you failed your occult ESP internet hacking class as well.
Your basically making a joke of yourself.
April 9th, 2007 at 1:01 amZooey, Shane, Zep Tepi, are all the same person
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Yes we are and we all want to know what you think of McCain on 60 Minutes.
April 9th, 2007 at 1:02 amShane, Zep Tepi, BucketsofBlood, Zooey - are all the same person
April 9th, 2007 at 1:02 amNo I mean you keep repeating the same thing about Feinstein over and over.
What have i repeated over and over again?
April 9th, 2007 at 1:03 amZep Tepi
April 9th, 2007 at 1:04 amYou are the joke
Zep Tepi is a joke
April 9th, 2007 at 1:04 amComment by Zep Tepi — April 9, 2007 @ 1:01 am
I guess we live in different cities together. Who knew.
April 9th, 2007 at 1:05 amZep Tepi
April 9th, 2007 at 1:05 amThat’s a joke my grandfather once told. The name Zep Tepi, it means ’stupid one’ but we dont’ like to say that to the stupid ones so we say Zep Tepi
By hijack a thread you mean someone has an opinion differing from yours or from the elite status quo.
Look BOBFBOO I am not an Elite. I am a poor person trying to keep our government honest and to keep our constitution intact. I don’t know what kind of conspiracy stuff you have read, but consider this, it is but fodder.
Comprendo?
April 9th, 2007 at 1:06 amWhat have i repeated over and over again?
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 1:03 am
You keep repeating that we defend Feinstein. We don’t. What did you think of McCain on 60 Minutes. You refuse to answer. Why are you defening his trip to Iraq and the lies he told?
April 9th, 2007 at 1:06 amYes we are and we all want to know what you think of McCain on 60 Minutes.
McCain is a war criminal. He dropped napalm on innocent Vietnamese in an undeclared illegal war.
April 9th, 2007 at 1:07 amThere is really nothing more to add…who cares about what neo-nuts have to say or how they fail to make their case over a massive fuck up debacle that is the King George administration……but watching St. McCain, he’s a fucking loon…nothing more nothing less…his presidential race is effectively over…I actually feel sorry for the poor sap…he’s a war hero…but at this point, he a war hero with early stage alihzhimer disease…
April 9th, 2007 at 1:07 amZep Tepi
You are the joke
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil
Assuming agaian are we? Yet you thought I was Zooey a moment ago, or Shane. Have I accused you of being anyone without factual backup? NO.
Jiust spit it out, what is your beef?
April 9th, 2007 at 1:08 amYou keep repeating that we defend Feinstein.
Who is “we”
You mean Zooey.
So you are Zooey.
Then Yes, Shane/Zooey- I’m asking you how you can defend Feinstein, and you don’t answer - You meaning both you and Zooey who are we, the same person
April 9th, 2007 at 1:09 amMcCain is a war criminal. He dropped napalm on innocent Vietnamese in an undeclared illegal war.
Comment by BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil — April 9, 2007 @ 1:07 am
See that wasn’t so hard. But the thread is about McCain on 60 Minutes tonight. Did you see the show or read about it?
April 9th, 2007 at 1:09 amShane
MCCAIN IS A WAR CRIMINAL
FEINSTEIN IS ONE TOO