White House Cites ‘Experience From September 11th’ To Justify Staying In Iraq
White House Cites ‘Experience From September 11th’ To Justify Staying In Iraq
In today’s White House press briefing, spokeswoman Dana Perino tried to justify President Bush’s escalation in Iraq by stating, “The terrorists that are seeking a safe haven in Iraq, if we were to leave, would find one, just like they had one in Afghanistan.” When reporter Helen Thomas asked how she knows that statement is true, Perino replied, “Well, based on experience from September 11th, that’s how we know it.” Thomas then quickly said, “September 11th had nothing to do with Iraq.” Watch it:
As the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Additionally, a new survey of military and diplomatic analysts concludes that “the likelihood that enemy combatants from Iraq might follow departing U.S. forces back to the United States is remote at best.” The danger is that staying in Iraq is breeding more new terrorists by the day.
UPDATE: Last week, Vice President Cheney also tried to tie Iraq to 9/11, telling Rush Limbaugh that “Al Qaida [is] operating in Iraq. And as I say, they were present before we invaded Iraq.”
Transcript:
QUESTION: And so escalation of the war is a change of policy?
PERINO: We can go back over all the things that the president said in January. But there are a couple of key points.
QUESTION: (inaudible) change of policy when we escalate the war?
PERINO: A couple of key points.
What the president said is that we needed to agree with the Iraqis, that we needed to try to transition power to them more quickly for their Iraqi security forces. But the key issue was that violence in Baghdad was so great that the president realized, after talking to his military advisers, that to leave would be very harmful to the region and to our country, but to stay and try to quell the violence in Baghdad…
QUESTION: Why? Because they’re going to come and attack us?
PERINO: The terrorists that are seeking a safe haven in Iraq, if we were to leave, would find one, just like they had one in Afghanistan and they…
QUESTION: How do you know that?
PERINO: Well, based on experience from September 11th, that’s how we know it.
QUESTION: September 11th had nothing to do with Iraq.
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Helen Thomas is one smart cookie. I hope she lives forever!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmIndeed!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmStill trying to tie 9/11 to Iraq.
The 30% that still love this administration must be real morons...
April 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmYes, but isn't Dana pleasant to look at. Let's try and focus on what's important. (that permeating odor is the thick stench of sarcasm, I hope you know.)
April 10th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHelen Thomas has more class & intelligence than all the Bushlickers put together.
I know Perino is having a tough time parroting Snow's BS on a daily basis, but for God's sake, quit doing a Cheney & claiming Iraq & 9/11 are connected. Enough, already!
How about the TRUTH? 'We are staying until big oil has secured the rights to access, ownership & distribution of all Iraqi oil. Then we will do the same shit in Iran.'
April 10th, 2007 at 4:13 pmenough terrorism crap. statistically the terrorists have nothing to do with our daily life in the 21st century. it is our own damned government that has made our life harder and ruined the economy for nothing except to increase their own powerd with the damned terrorist bogeyman threat. September 11th is just an excuse to spy on American Citizens and insure republicans maintain their stranglehold on goverment so they can send our hard earned tax dollars to a bunch of crooked rednecks who don't believe in science. what a load of crap.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmGEEEEZ!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThe terrorists did not come to Iraq to find safe haven.
They came to Iraq because the Bushco adminitration made it easy for them to attack and kill American soldiers and contractors.
White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = 1 + 2 = CHAIR....
April 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmeven the sportstalk host I listen to, upon hearing statements like this, has broken from the normal sports chatter, and has screamed that he is sick and tired of being talked down to by these Bushco. idiots.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pm"September 11th had nothing to do with Iraq."
this is what we call the truth, something in which the Bush administration has no interest....
April 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmHelen Thomas seems to be confused...Moreso than usual. Ms. Perino was not saying that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. What she clearly said is that allowing a post-Saddam Iraq to become a haven for Al Qaeda-like terrorists, as Afghanistan was before 9/11, would pose a significant danger to the U.S. and the West. Even Sen. Clinton recognizes this. Hence, her statements that as president she would keep some troops in Iraq to battle Al Qaeda.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI actually had a disagreement with one of my more globally aware students that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11... He insisted that it did... I can't imagine what the less aware ones think, if he thinks that...
April 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pmDana Perino may be quite a bit easier on the eyes but somehow she just makes me wish for Tony Snow's speedy recovery.
AF
April 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmMalkin and her ilk have grown both fat and crafty suckling at the teat of Rove.
Oh, that's rich! The way the posts fall, it looks like Patrick1 is actually agreeing with a liberal Democrat! I love it!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:19 pmToday the enemy is Iraq....tomorrow it is Oceania. This administration has turned into a bad parody of good liturature.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmIraq is closer to being a safe haven for terrorists more now, than it ever was. Couldn't we learn from the British on Iraq?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pm#11 is fully assimilated & waiting for orders.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmBut even if we don't have to "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here," we need to be careful not to "embolden the enemy."
Just the latest of the
April 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmHelen Thomas seems to be confused…Comment by Exley
Coming from you, comedy gold! Say something else equally stupid, please?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmAnd, for your information, deputy press secretary Perino, the "terrorists" still have a safe haven in Afghanistan, and they have extended into Pakistan as well.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmThey are even being paid by the Bush administration to go into Iran.
Exley is a Homo Ignoramus. Go to hell with Bush and Cheney.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmThen we will do the same shit in Iran.’
Comment by Zimzone #5
No "we" won't...
...Iran will be this country's Waterloo...
...China and Russia are backing the Iranian play...
...don't be fooled...
...the Iranians didn't nab those 15 british troops because they (Iran) were AFRAID!
...it was a move aimed at PROVOCATION...
...and they are no fools trying to pick a fight with worn out U.S. and British militaristic regimes that do not have the backing of their publics...
...remember, the world's MOST powerful, technologically proficient, and well trained military...
...is having its a*s brought to it...
...by sheep-herders...
...Iran definitely has very powerful backers...
...why do you think the Brits didn't take the bait?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmDon't you people get it?
Osama and Hussein were brothers.
/snark
April 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmIndeed!
Comment by Patrick1 — April 10, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Indeed, you prove exactly how st*pid the GOP is.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmWe need more like Helen Thomas. The spin of 9/11 is becoming unbearably ridiculous. The continued LIES are only further tarnishing our government and adding to the embarrassment in view of the world.
Will we ever regain respect towards our executive branch? Will we ever gain respect from others around the world?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThis will be a case of "be careful what you ask for"....here we go with the 911 connections in people's brains. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to begin connecting the dots and coming up with a conclusion which doesn't hold water. Let's get Kucinich on his reopening of the offocial 911 story, pronto! He needs to strike while the fire's hot and Bush's level of ignorance (or obstinance) knows no boundaries....he's making the connection, so let the people now call for a "new 911 investigation". Be careful what you ask for!!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmbush's plan is obvious. Draw terrorists into Iraq to kill our troops and all the brown people and keep this plan going forever.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pmallowing a post-Saddam Iraq to become a haven for Al Qaeda-like terrorists
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
There would be no 'post Saddam Iraq haven for terrorists' had we not invaded the country, killed their leader, and instigated the whole mess...
But for Bush, there would be no terrorists in Iraq.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#13 Dana Perino is an embarrassment to the american public. She stammers and stutters and is sooooo obviously in over her head. She won't last.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:25 pmHelen Thomas seems to be confused…Moreso than usual. Ms. Perino was not saying that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Exley seems to be confused...Moreso than usual. He seems to ignore that the administration works on IMPLYING a connection with Iraq as a matter of standard practice. He also ignores that Feith and Cheney continue to claim a real connection that never existed.
What she clearly said is that allowing a post-Saddam Iraq to become a haven for Al Qaeda-like terrorists, as Afghanistan was before 9/11, would pose a significant danger to the U.S. and the West. Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
And yet the invasion and inept policies of Bush have in fact CREATED this situation TODAY! Exley, the clown prince of st*pidity.
Even Sen. Clinton recognizes this. Hence, her statements that as president she would keep some troops in Iraq to battle Al Qaeda.
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Yeah, Al Qaeda that's there BECAUSE of the invasion and occupation. The problem is that as long as we CONTROL Iraq, then Iraqis will prefer to fight us rather than Al Qaeda.
Idiots like Exley are WHY we have to fear terrorism more today, than before 9/11. Idiots like Exley is why the US produces foreign policy failures like Iraq. But Idiots like Exley are too st*pid to learn from their mistakes, the prefer to keep repeating them hoping they'll turn failure into success. But just like their personal lives, Exley and friends f*ck up everything they touch.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#28 How many terrorists were in Iraq when Saddam was in charge?? Zilcho! End of discussion.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#19, Oops! Poor Barfly...He was not aware that Sen. Clinton has said pretty much the exact same thing that Dana Perino did today:
Clinton Says Some G.I.’s in Iraq Would Remain
The New York Times
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and PATRICK HEALY
WASHINGTON, March 14 — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton foresees a “remaining military as well as political mission†in Iraq, and says that if elected president, she would keep a reduced military force there to fight Al Qaeda, deter Iranian aggression, protect the Kurds and possibly support the Iraqi military.
In a half-hour interview on Tuesday in her Senate office, Mrs. Clinton said the scaled-down American military force that she would maintain would stay off the streets in Baghdad and would no longer try to protect Iraqis from sectarian violence — even if it descended into ethnic cleansing.
She said in the interview that there were “remaining vital national security interests in Iraq†that would require a continuing deployment of American troops.
The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state “that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda,†she said. “It is right in the heart of the oil region,†she said. “It is directly in opposition to our interests, to the interests of regimes, to Israel’s interests.â€
April 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmGOP's auto response to any question of bush logic:
1. 9/11 -or-
2. Clinton
Guess they selected choice #1 this time.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmEvery journalist should preface a question about IRAQ with "As you know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 so what do ......."
April 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWherever the oil is....the oil loving Al Qaeda will be, they are inseparable.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pm#31... saddam was, but he had control over THE ENTIRE country and it was contained and posed NO threat to the USA pre loot & scoot, sorry, i meant shock and awe..... ful.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI want to make angry, preemptive love with Dana Perino.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmObviously, this white house is experiencing it's "last throes" before submerging completely. Bush's brush fires are burning all around him and he knows he cannot escape now. The whistleblowers are singing and the american people are circling their wagons. It's over and he's becoming aware of it. Case in point: his recent tantrums and threats against the american people indicate that his resolve is waning. After all, when you know the level of corruption you've created which is being outed daily, you would have to feel a failure.
Somehow I believe that this week and next will become the critical downfall of Bush's house of cards. Gonzales is looking more corrupt by the day; more scandals are threatening to break and will....I wouldn't be surprised if Bush resigns before he is impeached, frankly. Cheney will resign for health reasons or to rendezvous with his Swiss Miss...Rove will explode like the Pillsbury Dough boy....and Rice will take a very long, uninterrupted shopping spree for shoes!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pm#11. We all know that's what she was trying to say. But it is completely wrong. The secular Sunnis would not tolerate Jihadis in their midst except that they have the common enemy of the U.S. occupation.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pm#32 So Bush and Perino are plagiarizing Hillary Clinton's composition????
April 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmdang right #34 and to add to that, no person shall hold any govt office if they even have a speeding ticket.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI had to take a huge poo this morning. Based on experience from September 11th, I have concluded that it was from the Mexican food I ate last night.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:32 pmThe fact is that we've created more terrorists who hate what we're doing out of the Iraqi people and continue to increase those ranks with each passing day of our occupation.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#32. Yes, Clinton is completely wrong too.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:34 pmShrillary is nothing but a coporate puppet... she is damaged goods.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmAll they have left is fear, 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11. And we see how well that fear sold in the 2006 election with the resounding defeat of the GOP. You can only cry wolf so many times before people completely block you out.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmIt seems the most likely scenario that would accompany a U.S. withdrawal would be a takeover by the Shiite militias. Since they are pretty much polar opposites to AlQaeda (which is vehemently anti-Shiite), there is almost no chance of Iraq becoming a safe haven for AlQaeda.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#44 The longer Hillary continues to beat the "war drum" the greater her chances of not becoming the "candidate". Clearly, her pro-war mentality, like McInsane's, is NOT in keeping with the majority of americans. Yet she still maintains it. Perhaps it's her GOP roots? Perhaps it's because like Dumbya, she, too, cannot admit to making a mistake? If this is so, we definitely cannot afford another deluded individual into the white house (deluded into believing that she is infallible).
Besides, Obama has much "cleaner hands" on everything important right now. I think that the reichwing would LOVE for Hillary to be come the candidate and actually may be supporting her to inflate the numbers of her popularity because they will then drop the WhiteWater/Vince Foster bomb on her and she will go "poof".
April 10th, 2007 at 4:39 pm#45 I like that - indeed, Hillary is "damaged goods" with far too many skeletons in her closet.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:39 pm#28 Unbelievable,
That might very well be true. But the question is with Al Qaeda there now, how do we move forward? I think Sen. Clinton's proposal to leave some troops in Iraq to fight Al Qaeda, while removing U.S. troops from involvement in Iraq's internal civil strife, makes sense. It will likely not always be clear how to separate the two, but it seems to bethe best framework with which to proceed.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThese lying sons of bitches are telling the same freaking lies from four years ago...they have nothing, they are nothing but fools waiting to steal the oil in Iraq...that is the only reason we are in Iraq...the Al Queda knows that we are there to steal the oil just like the Sunnis, the Shiites,and the Kurds. Impeach this worthless administration as an example to every crook who has the idea that they can take over this country for money. This bitch is an empty head speaking bullshit of Dubya the drunk and Karl "fatboy"Rove.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmExcuse my rant.
For this neo-con administration, now is "the dying of the light." 2008 will, without a doubt, be a Democratic sweep. Until that time, there will be very little change in the status quo, (barring impeachment).
Bush will continue to be Bush, and the MSM will continue to be the neo-con's water carriers. They are all too committed to the course put in play in 2000 to change. There are egos to be saved and job security to be tended to. The bi-word is "don't rock the boat," the price is too high.
Tactics, concerned with the immediate issue at hand, is what is discussed endlessly in almost all op-ed pieces and in comment sections like this. Rarely is strategy, the overall picture, looked at, spoken about or questioned. That strategy is not unknown, just ignored, and yet knowing what the neo-con strategy is, cuts through the "Gordian Knot" of confusion and makes all the discussions regarding tactics moot. It answers the "why" question, and cuts right to the answer. To rant on about Bush's stupidity or Cheney's arrogance misses the point and plays right into their hands. It distracts us from their real strategic agenda, so we become impotent. The following quote best describes the futility of arguing tactics or being angry over things like stupidity or arrogance.
Here is what a Bush advisor told Ron Suskind:
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality... we'll act again, creating other new realities..."
Whew! Talk about enough arrogance to tell the truth! Totally playing with our heads!
One need only read the PNAC report or note phrases like the, "arc of instability" or "axis of evil", or hear Rice tell a Congressional Committee that Iraq is just a part of a much bigger Middle East picture, among many things, to realize what is going on. They have a plan and each person, be it Bush, Cheney, Powell, Wolfowitz, Pearle, Fieth, Ledeen, Gonzalez, Snow, Rice, et al, has a specific part to play. A team effort to bring about a specific end, with that "end" justifying any means to get there. Read Michael Ledeen's book, "Machiavelli on Modern Leadership-(Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules are as Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago.") A truly scary tome, when you know the depth of his involvement in the current neo-con cabal. There is nothing "stupid" going on here. Nothing accidental. It is all done with "malice aforethought." Arrogance is not the problem, it is just a red herring to distract.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmSound like a conspiracy? It's not! No more so than a football team is, and they have been working like a football team if you think about the analogy!
"White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = White House = Liars = 1 + 2 = CHAIR….
Comment by Its_Me_Ya_Krazy — April 10, 2007"
Having trouble speaking like a grownup?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI will never forget the day Al Qaeda bombed Pearl Harbor.
Have you damn crazy left blogistanners forgotten soooo soon?
Don't forget that Bin Laden blew up The Maine and also what the Taliban did to the Alamo and the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.
-GSD
April 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#19, Oops! Poor Barfly…He was not aware that Sen. Clinton has said pretty much the exact same thing that Dana Perino did today: Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Oops, Exley wasn't aware that Sen. Clinton did NOT invoke 9/11, nor did she IMPLY there was a relationship. Exley proves yet again, what a stupid little dum bass he is.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmMaybe Bush should be calling 911 "The Improbable Collapse" because that's what scientists have now concluded. Go to http://www.911truth.org for their newest scientific paper. It will turn your stomach. And to think that Bush is still using this horrific event to his benefit - makes me gag!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmBUSH'S 911: THE IMPROBABLE COLLAPSE!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWhat she clearly said is that allowing a post-Saddam Iraq to become a haven for Al Qaeda-like terrorists.
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
They're nationalistic Iraqis who want us out of a country Bush and the Neocons had no business invading.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pm"How about the TRUTH? ‘We are staying until big oil has secured the rights to access, ownership & distribution of all Iraqi oil. Then we will do the same shit in Iran.’
Comment by Zimzone — April 10, 2007"
You talk about BS? Why didn't big oil secure access to ownership and distribution when Bush Senior was there?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWill we ever regain respect towards our executive branch? Will we ever gain respect from others around the world?
Comment by goehl #25
goehl,
In 2004 I don't believe the world EVER imagined that the (up-until-that-time) believed to be well educated,"moderate", mostly good natured American public...
...would re-select buffonish,i diotic, corrupt scumbags like GW Bush and L'il Dick Cheney...
..when THAT happened I believe the world practically washed its collective hands of this country...
...Once again (in 2008) we Americans must make a statement to the world as to our vision of what we want the world to be...
...elect a Repulsivescum to dogsh*t scooper...
...and the country may collapse under the weight of internecine conflict, and international opposition...
...if we DO THE RIGHT THING...
...by electing a Democratic President, and awarding a Congressional super majority to Democrats/Progressive/Liberals...
...and MOST importantly...
...BRING THE BUSHITES TO JUSTICE!
...we may regain the respect of the international community, and restore the people's faith in our Democracy...
April 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pmSadr wouldn't allow AQ to build up in Iraq either. How big a problem is AQ in Iran? Don't here of much in the way of AQ growth in that theocracy.
There is a groundswell of informed Americans that won't stand for being ruled by fear anymore.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#52, when you can fully comprehend my pet goat, get back to us. btw, how is that wmd search goin? what about the hunt for obl? you need a ride to the recruiters?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmImprobable Collapse: The Demolition of Our Republic"....a must see!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pm"enough terrorism crap. statistically the terrorists have nothing to do with our daily life in the 21st century. it is our own damned government that has made our life harder and ruined the economy for nothing except to increase their own powerd with the damned terrorist bogeyman threat. September 11th is just an excuse to spy on American Citizens and insure republicans maintain their stranglehold on goverment so they can send our hard earned tax dollars to a bunch of crooked rednecks who don’t believe in science. what a load of crap.
Comment by worst fears — April 10, 2007"
What a mouthful! Now if you could back up just ONE of those statements you might command a little credibility?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pm"he is sick and tired of being talked down to by these Bushco. idiots.
Comment by John — April 10, 2007"
Care to give us an example?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pmAny terrorists brought in to Iraq were brought in from Bush's war. He created the "terrorists" in Iraq. And they aren't coming here because their just Iraqi's fighting to liberate their country. They just want their country back. I don't know how the WH does not understand this. They still continue with the old fear talking points that just doesn't work anymore. The more they use it that more they look like the fools that they are.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pmTruth is irreparably compromised in this country now; Truth is becoming extinct in the political landscape. However, Truth is ALL which truly exists so what does that mean in terms of self-extinction?? If we reject truth because it is "inconvenient", what does that say about americans as a people? If we reject truth and delude ourselves with fantasy and fiction, we deserve to tumble. We deserve to fall.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#50. Dude, where do you get this stuff? The main reason AlQaeda stays (and is allowed to stay by the Iraqis) is because they have a common enemy in the U.S. The AlQaeda presence in Iraq is SUSTAINED by the U.S. presence. Didn't you read about the protests yesterday? The Iraqi protesters were calling for a full withdrawal of U.S. forces as well as the removal of U.S. permanent bases. This is tens of thousands of Iraqis were talking about here. Or do you think there are tens of thousands of AlQaeda out there protesting?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#19, Oops! Poor Barfly…
Oops! Exley is creating strawmen again; do they pay you by the pound?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pmExley. You are usually much better informed than this....
April 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pm*sigh* VVGFU, I can only imagine (or hope, for your sake) that you are being deliberately obtuse. Sen. Clinton referenced the fight in Iraq against Al Qaeda, which is the the terrorist organization responsible for the 9/11 atrocity.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pm#63 Who are the terrorists anyway? Where they the ones responsible for 911? The jury seems to be out on that one.....
April 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pmSaddam had a lot to do with 9/11. How do you idiots explain the fact that Zarkawi, an Al Queda agent, was in Iraq around 9/11?
Or can you idiots only think the thoughts Ted Kennedy tells you to think?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pmDana Perino is one fine looking woman.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#64 mission accomplished.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pm"Even Sen. Clinton recognizes this. Hence, her statements that as president she would keep some troops in Iraq to battle Al Qaeda.
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007"
Exley, they're liberals, of course they don't understand.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWhat a convenient catchall of fear: terrorism! Hah! Manipulate the people who will trade the illusion of safety by compromising their freedom....change those terrorist warnings from green to amber....gut us from the inside out...after all, PNAC & Bushco are pros at torture which is precisely what they've been doing easily to us with this terrorist bullcrap.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmThat might very well be true. But the question is with Al Qaeda there now, how do we move forward?
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
We're fighting Sunnis who have lost power because of Bush's invasion. We fight Shiites when we disrupt them when they're trying to kill Sunnis.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmCare to give us an example?
Comment by michael
Isn't this shtick getting old? You never answer others, yet think you're entitled to an answer? Poor little priviledged twit; answer questions put to you, and maybe you'll get a response.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI see Firehead is on the threads which means that Jake-off can't be...hahaha!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pm"You talk about BS? Why didn’t big oil secure access to ownership and distribution when Bush Senior was there?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:43 pm"
For your Republican pea brain.......
Bush Sr. did NOT go into Bahgdad....
I don't expect people like you to acknowledge FACTS, but please try to state something that is at least not so easy to debunk if you MUST open your mouth.....
That's like saying......
"Why didn't people jump out of the plane when they knew it was going to crash?"
April 10th, 2007 at 4:51 pm"I actually had a disagreement with one of my more globally aware students that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11…
Comment by unbelievable — April 10, 2007"
What a surprise, another liberal teacher!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:51 pmHey firehead: How do you explain that some recently released photos but George HW Bush standing outside the Dallas School Book Depository the day JFK was shot?? How?? hahahah! Of course, he's empatically denied it but the old photos prove it.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pm*sigh* VVGFU, I can only imagine (or hope, for your sake) that you are being deliberately obtuse. Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Another classing GOP projection. That's what most people here FEEL about you - dum bass.
Sen. Clinton referenced the fight in Iraq against Al Qaeda, which is the the terrorist organization responsible for the 9/11 atrocity. Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Yeah, because Al Qaeda is THERE NOW. The OBTUSE reference to 9/11 is an intentional effort to tie those events. You're a st*pid little twit Exley.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pmSaddam had a lot to do with 9/11. How do you idiots explain the fact that Zarkawi, an Al Queda agent, was in Iraq around 9/11?
Comment by firehead — April 10, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
No link. Read the 9/11 report. Then crawl back under you bed.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pm9/11 = Iraq keeps spinning over and over.... Let's get some answers to some real questions..... and I will be simple for the trolls:
April 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pm1. PNAC on page 51 states we needed another Pearl Harbor in order for the America people to 'go along' with the plan. I do not recall anyone except Bush comparing what happened to NYC as another Pearl Harbor. That is on tape somewhere unless big brother erased it.
2. How was Building 7 @ TWC 'brought down' within hours after the collapse of the twin buildings - doesn't it take a week to get a building ready for this?
If the real truth ever got out, could America handle it?
Saddam had a lot to do with 9/11. How do you idiots explain the fact that Zarkawi, an Al Queda agent, was in Iraq around 9/11?
Comment by firehead — April 10, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
You seem to be an expert. Why don't you tell us?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pmbefor we invaded Iraq there was 1 Osama Bin Ladin. Now there's a whole Country of Osama Bin Ladins. BECAUSE WE ATTACKED THEM! without cause. Obvious obvious obvious.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmWhat a surprise, another liberal teacher!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
What a surprise, another conservative that HATES TEACHERS, and LEARNING.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmThat might very well be true. But the question is with Al Qaeda there now, how do we move forward?
Comment by Exley
Sir, you know it is true. You know it. Stop being coy about the facts. The whole sordid mess started because Bush thought he was the cowboy warrior - he is not. All hat and no cattle. So after Bush screwed everything up, noone wants to discuss his massive failure. All you want to talk about is 'the way forward'. How about impeachment sir? That would be an excellent way forward. After all, you DO want to hold those accountable for this entire fiasco, don't you? Most Americans would want that. Well, most LOYAL americans would want that - I don't know about your group.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmExley, they’re liberals, of course they don’t understand.
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Michael, another conservative, of course he projects.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHelen Thomas should not even be in that room; she's a columnist not a reporter.....and besides, her colostomy bag is stinking up the place.
Give her the boot.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmTeachers should be liberal. Conservatives are racist.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWhat a surprise, another liberal teacher!
Comment by michael
What a surprise; another content-free post by the little twit.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI think that since Bush Sr seems to be popping up all over the place, perhaps karma is allowing us to make some more connections. Bush Sr. was head of the CIA the day JKF was killed. Bush Sr. professes to have not been in Dallas on that fateful day. Do your own research - it's all out there. Photos of him standing near the entry to the building....guess who was also meeting with his Carlyle group of big Saudi oil on 9/10?? Right again....Pappy Codger Bush. Guess whose own father was in cahoots with Adolph Hitler...right again! You can bet your bottom dollar that Pappy Bush is at the genesis of the decline of this country and our fall into the abyss of lies and deceit....and he's still doing his "dirty business"....it will all come out....sooner than later, thanks to those "damn internets"....hahahah!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#72. Zarqawi was in Iraq despite the Iraqi attempts to capture and kill him. He was not welcome there. The U.S. has fugitive crimiinals too, you know. It's funny how you accuse others of thinking like Ted Kennedy when you just spewed almost word for word Dick Cheney. He just said that crap on Rush Limbaugh the other day. I guess you just did not realize you were such a tool.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmDana Perino is so beautiful...
on the outside. Otherwise, another soulless shill.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmTop U.S.Exports 2001- to present:
Weapons...
...War...
...Death...
...Maiming...
...misery...
...poverty...
...capitalism...
...racism...
...and TERRORISM...
April 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmYou've rolled out of the sack early today, tirehead!?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pm(Oh yeah, I forgot, usama doesn't drink.... never mind....)
My god! How can the idiotic trolls still defend this bullshit??? Just listen to your rulers stutter and stammer and lie through their teeth. I don't think even they(perino, bush, snow) believe their own words, yet the moron trolls swallow every drop. Lap it up you dumbf*cks!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmBush looks like a sock puppet spinning the 911/Iraq connection when everyone knows it's false. He's clearly losing it. Pathetic that we have to continue to be embarrassed by him.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmYou talk about BS? Why didn’t big oil secure access to ownership and distribution when Bush Senior was there?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
What does Bush Sr. have to do with this?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmU.S. experiences in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia should teach foreign policy experts and the American public that U.S. meddling abroad is often counterproductive and dangerous. Yet the U.S. media helps the U.S. government disguise these policy failures by failing to expose the underlying causes of violence, enabling the U.S. government to make the same mistakes over and over again.
control your media and youll win back America - dont accept these lies its wrong
April 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmCare to give us an example?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
#64 ,Howard Eskin of Philadelphia's WIP with at least half a million afternoon drive time listeners in the 8 million strong greater Philly metro area. WIP can be heard as far away as Canada, NC. and Chicago. He has RIPPED Bush on a consistant basis. Michelle.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#67, 70 Matt,
No, I am not saying that all of those protesting in Iraq yesterday were Al Qaeda. But the fact is that there is now an Al Qaeda presence in Iraq and failed state, as Sen. Clinton put it, in Iraq could serve as an Al Qaeda haven much like the failed state of Afghanistan did in the 1990s. So, the question is how do balance the need to withdraw from Iraq and avoid further entanglement in its internal civil strife with the legitimate need to fight Al Qaeda and keep Iraq from becoming the next Afghanistan.
This idea that Al Qaeda will leave Iraq as soon as we do is nonsense. If they believe they can have a haven in Iraq, they will stay there.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmJohnnyRocket: I only half agree with you - Dana is a soulless Shill and I think she's rather common looking with very greasy, scraggly hair.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSaddam had a lot to do with 9/11. How do you idiots explain the fact that Zarkawi, an Al Queda agent, was in Iraq around 9/11?
Or can you idiots only think the thoughts Ted Kennedy tells you to think?
Comment by firehead —
Every single, credible report indicates - without qualification - that Iraq and al quaida were on opposite ends of the spectrum relative to terrorism and the USA. No report - except out of the mouths of the kool-aid drinkers (limbaugh, coulter, o'reilly, beck, etc) has indicated otherwise. I know hanging onto the failed worship and reverence for Bush is difficult, but if you can see clearly at all, you should see the man is a loser and against most things we accept as american. Facts are facts, sir. Spin is spin. Do you know the difference? I think not.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmMichael,
I always invite the conservatives to become teachers, but they just don't seem to want to do that, why? (I know the answer, what's yours)
April 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThat might very well be true.
Might? It is true. Saddam, tyrant that he was, did not tolerate the terrorists either.
But the question is with Al Qaeda there now, how do we move forward?
Seems logical to me. If they are there because we arethere... then leaving would give them no reason to stay.
Yes, I know, your side thinks they will then follow us home. Wasn't that the prupose of Homeland Security? For Tom Ridge to have had 4 years now to prepare an adequate defense in case they managed somehow to get a few more of tehir guys through our airports and into flight training or train conducting or whatever training programs here?
I think Sen. Clinton’s proposal to leave some troops in Iraq to fight Al Qaeda, while removing U.S. troops from involvement in Iraq’s internal civil strife, makes sense.
She's just trying to appease both sides by saying 'leave' and 'stay' in the same sentence... She's not served in the military either. That doesn't impress me.
It will likely not always be clear how to separate the two, but it seems to bethe best framework with which to proceed.
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
As long as you have predisposed yourself to ignore elephants in the room, then I guess you could say that. But if you're ready to see the reality that exists, rather than the irrational "Iraq as the land of everything rosy, peaceful and sweet" reality that you wish existed, the the solution is obvious. It's called "Getting the f*ck out of Iraq NOW". Pretty simple.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#101 The best kept secret: Bush Jr. is the sock puppet for Pappy! That's becoming clear and perhaps Bush Sr. will end up being subpoenaed soon once the 911 investigation is reopened by Kucinich.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmPerino looks like a tired, drugged-out, brainwashed, republican shill.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmFirehead proves once again, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he is the dumbest troll around. He absolutely takes the cake. I think he's ten years old and sent away for a junior neocon starter kit complete with talking points and I hate Liberals bumper sticker. What a freakin tool.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHow sad if someone burned her house down while she slept......how very awful that would be.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIf the idiotic trolls continue to spin and drivel their support for this obvious and now incontrovertible evidence that it is not true, then they do not deserve to be dialogued with. Freeze the pandering trolls out. It's over...it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is absolutely NO connection so let's move on.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmher colostomy bag is stinking up the place.
Comment by Ringo #91
...has your Mom taken care of that venereal thing...
...you know...
...the one she spread throughout the trailer park?
...from what I understand...
...she (and your sister) are BOTH pretty "ripe"...
April 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmIm so sick of being the party of PC.......they hate us and will destroy us with any means possible....its time we do the same.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmBush will go down in history for being the least intelligent president in our history and the "Master of Spin & Deceit". What a legacy, eh?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pmWhat a surprise, another liberal teacher!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
To you, Rush Limbaugh would be a liberal teacher, because he was 'teaching'. You just hate learning so much... And it's obvious.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmYou often wonder how long these press secretaries can handle all the BS that Karl Rove forces them to say that defy facts. Two down and counting, they couldn't take it. These people know the truth and repeatedly lie for Bush. In fact ,facts are the enemy of BushCo. They need to be fact checked on every word that comes out of their mouths.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThe whole point of this eight year exercise is to make George H.W. Bush look like a great President.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#103. Exley. It seems you did not read my complete posts. You did not respond to my arguments concerning the Shiite militias ruling the country instead of AlQaeda. Why are you purposely highlighting general things you have a quick (but still wrong) answer to and not answering the actual pertinent questions?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmIm so sick of being the party of PC…….they hate us and will destroy us with any means possible….its time we do the same.
Comment by Vance
I know Vance - Republicans are the worst. They do want to destroy us (our constitution, bill of rights, world standing, our brave soldiers lives, our wealth, our future, etc...) and they worship a petulant little man (Bush). I agree with you it is time to take the gloves off. After years of republicans screwing everything up in the US (Your US Vance), it is time grown-ups started to flex their legislative muscles. I'm glad you are on the right side of history. I have read some of your past comments, but today it seems you have had a change of heart. Welcome to sanity, Vance. We have missed you.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm[...] Watch Video [...]
April 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmthem against us? WTF Vance. Whose us and whose them? And who decides.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWhat a surprise, another liberal teacher!
Comment by michael
Most who teach, especially in the area of History and Government, are Liberal. Could it be because they base their beliefs on knowledge and are the most informed?
Another one who is good is Bernie Ward on on KGO as he used to teach history.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pm"The terrorists that are seeking a safe haven in Iraq, if we were to leave, would find one..."
Is she admitting that after all the lives and money we've spent on the Grand Mission in Iraq, we've thusfar succeeded in creating a potential terrorist safe haven? So the argument is now basically "We've created a potential terrorist safe haven, so we can't leave."
Dash cunning.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:11 pmTom, Vance, right beside you fellas. I took the gloves off around election time, almost came to blows with a couple of repugs. Enough PC crap. LEts Get it ON!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmNo, I am not saying that all of those protesting in Iraq yesterday were Al Qaeda. But the fact is that there is now an Al Qaeda presence in Iraq and failed state, as Sen. Clinton put it, in Iraq could serve as an Al Qaeda haven much like the failed state of Afghanistan did in the 1990s.
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
The Al Qaeda presence in Iraq is minute; 55 to 60 percent of Iraq is Shia while Al Qaeda is a Sunni organization; the Sunnis of Iraq are secular while Al Qaeda is filled with extremists who claim to be practicing true Islam. I don't see how Al Qaeda could set up a safe haven in this environment.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pmExley
Hillary Clinton has been overly timid on the Iraq situation from the start.
She has long cozied up to conservative figures, including figures on the religious right in favour of censorship in gaming, which is already one of the wierder areas of entertainment out there. (Grand Theft Auto was fine by her, you know with the cop killing, beating up prostitutes and all of that, but once they included nudity?)
At one point she put across that as a senator she has to be especially careful with how she votes, for fear of the conservative media. In other words, she admitted to putting re-election before the interests of the country.
In other words, saying even Hillary doesn't exactly make for much of an argument considering that Hillary is scared shitless of looking too liberal. Now if you could get a quote from Fiengold saying that, then we would be impressed.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#120 Tom, Sometimes its hard to filter the rage i feel for what is being done to our future. When this administration leaves office they have enough $$$ socked away that they will never have to deal with the fallout from thier actions. We on the other hand will pay for this for years to come. As far as my past comments and me finally coming around......I have never been a Bush sympathizer....on the contrary, im a borderline insurgent. may have me confused with someone else.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pm1. Bush ignores over warnings and his "terrorism task force" never meets, resulting in the worst terrorist attack ever to occur on U.S. soil.
2. Bush invades a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and posed no threat to the United States (while allowing bin Laden to go free).
3. For many reasons, including little to no planning by Bush and his cronies, Iraq turns into a giant quagmire.
4. Iraq is now a breeding ground for terrorists and harbors al Qaeda members, pouring over Iraq's unprotected borders.
4. Bush's response? "We must stay in Iraq to fight terrorism."
The moronic policies of the Bush Administration continue on, and the moronic conservatives continue to believe he knows what he's talking about.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmMost who teach, especially in the area of History and Government, are Liberal.
Comment by goehl — April 10, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
That made me laugh... I'm sure it's true in general, but at my school, the Government teacher is a raging neocon who was a missionary in Russia for nearly a decade. He frequently declares Bush the greatest President in his lifetime, and when the students (who hate him with a raging passion, by the way) make jokes about Jesus, he lectures them on that... If I didn't live in a district that ignores the separation of church and state, he'd have been fired by now, but here, he's touted as a great teacher by the delusional conservative Administration... (I think that explains my laugh? :)
April 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pm"Most who teach, especially in the area of History and Government, are Liberal. Could it be because they base their beliefs on knowledge and are the most informed?
Comment by goehl — April 10, 2007"
And I base my beliefs on what I learn in the real world not textbooks!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pmkelso:ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pmbrilliant.
i wonder who would win in a an IQ test, Georgie boy or kelso's poo?
Whose us and whose them? And who decides.
Comment by hellinabucket
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Us is the West, them is militant Islam.
Who decides?....They do.
Some reading:
Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology By Lee Harris
World War IV: How It Started, What It Means, and Why We Have to Win
April 10th, 2007 at 5:21 pmNorman Podhoretz
This Perino chick cannot be more wrong. How many published articles have to come out that contradict what the Bush administration says for them to stop lying?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAnd I base my beliefs on what I learn in the real world not textbooks! Comment by michael
That certainly explains why you have not learned anything from history. You must've had a great time trying to understand physics or calculus simply based on your "real world" experiences!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAnd I base my beliefs on what I learn in the real world not textbooks!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Funny, I teach what I learned in the real world, and have no textbooks. It's a lot more work for me, but I think it makes me a better teacher.
Since I've been in the real world (and by world, I mean outside of America), and found it to be liberal, I'm guessing you've never left your front porch.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:24 pm#121.......I was referrng to the republicans as the ones who hate us and America.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:24 pmAnd I base my beliefs on what I learn in the real world not textbooks!
Comment by michael
I'd like to know what your real world consists of, maybe gated communities?
Glad to see you admit your lack of learnin' from that there edumacation.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI think the die hards believe the lack of evidence does not mean it didn't happen. We just don't have any evidence it did happen.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBut Repukes like to treat others as guilty intil proven innocent.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmmilitant Islam.
Comment by Ringo — April 10, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Just the other side of the coin of violent Middle Eastern monotheism. Militant Christianity is the flip side.
You guys are fighting yourselves... And losing. How pathetic...
April 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWhat developed country is more conservative than the US?
Michael?
Anyone?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmGood afternoon all, anything happening on TP today?
Heh. :-D
April 10th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIs Michael really for real? Statements like that are so ludicrous it makes me want to name-jack him.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:28 pmMeanwhile Al Qaeda has a safe haven in Pakistan .
April 10th, 2007 at 5:28 pmmichael
No, actually you don't.
This is because you don't see the real world around you. You don't pay attention to how people react when you talk big, when you aren't in a position to do anything about it, otherwise you wouldn't be in favour of your country doing the same thing.
You don't pay attention to how people who don't pay there debts, and then annoy their creditors land up. Otherwise you would not be in favour of your country not paying its debts to China, and then talking big about copyright infringement and the paper trade.
You don't observe how talking can resolve a fight between two people who don't like each other, otherwise you wouldn't preach silence with Syria.
You do not learn from your world experiences, because you oppose knowledge, introspection and learning. You don't think on a wider scale, because you have never observed the smaller scale.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pmIf someone stands in front of your home and starts screaming with finger pointed that your home deals drugs and this is not true what do you do?When a crowd gathers behind them and starts believing the lie what do you do? When it is apparrent that these falsehoods will affect your life in a horrid way, what do you do. You grab a length of pipe and beat them dead and invite the crowd in to see the truth. The Time has come to stop being cowards.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pmWell, what we should do is invade whatever country it was that let those pilots of the planes on 9/11 train and learn only how to turn, but never how to land. Now whtever country THAT was is certainly guilty of providing a safe haven to terrorists...
April 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#132. That's funny. It should be Lee Harris' Fantasy Ideology. Or Lee Harris' Incredibly Dangerous Ideology. That book presents a foreign policy option that will basically bring the death of billions probably through nuclear weapons. The fight, fight, death, bomb, torture, et cetera, will only ENFLAME the tensions already present. And create more enemies until there are too many to contain and then....BOOM!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pmthere's more to the real world than Ronald McDonalds Playland and the speed bumps in the parking lot, michael....
April 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmRingo, there's other books out there like Mien Kampf. Just because somebody wrote something does it mean we are to believe them? I'm still waiting for one of the antagonist posters here show how we are to fight this war. Where's the sacrifice? Where's the unification of this country. Where's food drives and rationing.
It's all chest thumping with no commitment.
Vance I appologize. I didn't read the 100+ posts prior.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmAnd I base my beliefs on what I learn in the real world not textbooks!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
LOL. Listen everyone. Micheal, uneducated and damn proud of it!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmWe on the other hand will pay for this for years to come. As far as my past comments and me finally coming around……I have never been a Bush sympathizer….on the contrary, im a borderline insurgent. may have me confused with someone else.
Comment by Vance
100% accurate on that point, sir. It will take at least a decade to 're-claim' the stature and reputation of the US. I have been posting on TP for about two years and I have read many of your posts. Probably like a lots of us, attitudes can change depending on the events of the day, or our mood at the time. Some of your posts have made me wonder about your partisanship, but others made me glad I read your words - because they were true. I also agree that sometimes - with our rage, anger, whatever - we can miscontrue what a poster is actually trying to say. Some are better writers than others, no? You are right. We have HUGE issues in this country that need to be dealt with now. I am hopeful the current congress can get us on more firm 'global' footing, again. We need cooperation from the other members of the planet - not to alienate them. Cheers to you.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI thought we were staying in Iraq cause Dan Quayle wanted to....
April 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pmVance
Actually my answer is to sue them for every cent they own, then move using the procedes.
Oh, also of course, write a story about how that person is a drug dealer who beats his wife - complete with pictures - and have it published by some of my friends in the newspaper industry.
Once I have the guys last cent, there isn't much he can do about it is there?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAll the more reason for a real 911 independent investigation.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pmBegin INVESTIGATION Hearings NOW. There is evidence the Bush Cheney Administration manipulated intelligence, lied to our Soldiers, lied to the American People, committed crimes & treason to silence critics, lied about 911 and covered up important 911 facts and discoveries -including Firefighter's and NY Officials testimonies. The Bush Cheney Administration REFUSED to answer 911 families questions and are still blocking reports and investigations.
The real world saw that Iraq did not attempt to acuire uranium from Niger. That wasn't just in a textbook. The real world saw that winning the peace would be so much harder than the conflict in Iraq. That definitely wasn't in Bush's playbook.
It's fun to counter the trolls but it's sad to know this twisted logic of theirs is out there. I don't see any more open debates about Bush or Iraq. The country is so tired of this. I'm getting more involved and will not sit quietly by while my neighbor is taken away.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmIn one of the more interesting developments today, it was announced that the House will investigate the misinformation given to the public about both the Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch incidents.
Back when all of the talk was about awarding Jessica Lynch the Congressional Medal of Honor I posted that the nature of her injuries suggested a vehicular accident and if that were the case she was likely knocked out by the collision.
My original post has gone missing but a link to it can be found here.
http://fray.slate.com/?id=3936&m=7439617
The reason I posted this is because I didn't want to cheapen the award to earlier winners by giving a political award here.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by hellinabucket
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I don't usually do this but since your such a stupid prick I'll make an exception....
It's "who's" not "whose".
April 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmI’m getting more involved and will not sit quietly by while my neighbor is taken away.
Comment by hellinabucket
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Why would someone take your neighbor away?
You people are delusional.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:42 pmNo. 141 For Truth asked:
"What developed country is more conservative than the US?"
Depends on how you define "conservative." (By one definition, Iraq was, how about Iran?) Australia?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmRingo thats pretty petty doncha think?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmhoo's hoose?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI don’t usually do this but since your such a stupid prick I’ll make an exception….
It’s “who’s†not “whoseâ€.
Comment by Ringo
Wow. Look who's being a prick now.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pmHa!..Well hellinabucket, you got me.
your such a stupid prick...
I did it myself. your = you're
I guess there was a reason why I don't usually correct people that way.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pmIs Australia more conservative than the US?
Iran may be.
The point has been made. Not many, and the one that might be, we think is evil.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pmRingo. Can you please use a different name? You are killing it for those of us that love The Beatles.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:48 pmso............you still don't know exactly what the reason is?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:48 pmLooks like Michael name-jacked himself. I didn't have to do it today.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThat Dana Perino is a real ho.
Whose dick did she suck to get that job?
She's another lying sack of Repuke shit.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pmPerino is right we did learn from 9/11 it was Saudi Hijackers we should be over in Saudi blowing the crap out of then wahhabis and protecting Israel ,which is closer to Saudi and stealing all the Saudi oil so they can't be rigging the pricees of oil thru that terrorist organization OPEC!!
Well except that Cheney and George like to kiss Saudi butt we probably would!!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pmSo Michael, when a teacher states a well known fact, that automatically makes them a liberal? Interesting. SO when my economics professor, who proclaimed his deep conservative roots in class, makes comments about reagonomics and trickle down not ever working in the market place does that make him liberal too?
Michael, when we had our army in Iraq back in 1991 we were not there to over throw sadaam we were not there to control their oil we were there to evict Iraq from Kuwait. Your statement displays an absolute total lack of knowledge on what occurred then, while most of your statements display an utter lack of knowledge about what is happening today.
#130 you are apparently not learning much. Is your real world called Fox News?
Exley how do you know Iraq will become a haven for terrorists? Every other prediction about Iraq Bush and his people have made has turned out to be dead wrong. I'll play the odds and say that he will be wrong again. Also by pulling our military out of the civil war and into a position where they can monitor the country we can achieve reasonable goals. We keep an eye on the place and make a move anytime we see terror camps building up. Regardless of how long we stay, whenever we leave the country is most likely going to move towards the direction we least want it to move. So why not get our guys out of harms way, set up some refugee camps to build a little good will and monitor the country from an out of range of the violence distance. It will be cheaper in terms of cash and US Blood shed.
Ultimately it does not matter if Perino is right or wrong, what she and the administration have to keep doing is to keep selling their version of reality so their rabid uninformed faithful stay with them and their version of reality.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:51 pmMan everytime I think of a Ringo I think of Richard Simmons..
Besides Ringo is just another rube for us neo-cons who use little tards like him for our needs.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pm#159. Probably a Muslim neighbor that gave to a charity that is tenuously connected to some other charity that gives money to Palestinians. That is a slippery slope that can lead to horrible mistakes and let's hope Habeus Corpus is still in effect if this happens to you.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pmMan if only Dubya would quit lip-locking old picnic tablecloth head and sucking saudis crude oils penis, we could take them terrusts out where the nest of the cockleroaches come from!!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmCmon Dubya yew kno dem dam terrusts comes from dat crazy ass wahhabis in Saudi, hell they got more refinineries to blow up than Iraq and hell we could get Israel to blow them damn ayrabs all to smithereens and than steel all dat dam oil!!
SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI!!! WAR! WAR! WAR!!! NUKE SAUDI!! FASTER PLEASE!!
April 10th, 2007 at 5:58 pmExperts bash Bush: Pullout won't bring 'enemy' to U.S.
''The president is using a primitive, inarticulate argument that leaves him open to criticism and caricature,†said James Jay Carafano, a homeland security and counterterrorism expert for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative policy organization
James Lewis, a U.S. foreign policy analyst at CSIS, called Bush's assertion oversimplistic.''It's not like there's going to be gun battles in the United States.â€
Daniel Benjamin, the director of the Center on the United States and Europe at The Brookings Institution:"I think the president's formulations call for a leap of faith.â€
Lewis of CSIS believes that a U.S. pullout could prompt some foreign fighters in Iraq to go home, head to Afghanistan to fight U.S. forces there or move to Europe, where Muslim anger is high and there are more Muslim communities to blend into.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:02 pmSetting a leave date does not mean not supporting the troops. I support the timeline for the war; we need some sense and structure in Iraq. Mostly, I agree with setting a timeline because the $340 billion spent in the Iraq debacle can be utilized in beneficial ways.
According to the Borgen Project, a group that is lobbying political leaders to support the UN Millennium Development Goals, just a fraction of the military budget can end starvation, provide education for every child in the world and reverse the spread of Malaria and AIDS. We need leadership that will be progressive in tackling major issues in the world.
Continuing with this war as it is being fought now would be foolish. The irony is, how do we bring peace to a country that we are declaring war on? As seen by the peaceful Shiite protest, American presence is not wanted; they want to rule their country on their own. The US needs to join together with the rest of the world leaders in figuring out a multilateral and economically sound way of ending terrorism and Mid-East tensions. One of the most effective ways is to end global poverty. We need to redirect our funds to programs that will work to combat the conditions that foster extremism.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:08 pmSaddam had a lot to do with 9/11. How do you idiots explain the fact that Zarkawi, an Al Queda agent, was in Iraq around 9/11?
Comment by firehead — April 10, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
As I recall, there were 19 Al Qaeda members in the USA on 9/10/2001. Why was that? Did Bush have something to do with 9/11? By your logic, we should attack ourselves!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:09 pmShe was not saying that Iraq had anything to do with Iraq. She was saying that many terrorists are there. The very same group that did 9/11, Al Qaeda is there NOW and leaving now would ensure they would have the said safe haven. Al Qaeda sees Iraq as a pivotal as the White House in winning their for their side.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:13 pmDon't terrorists find safe haven in dozens of countries around the world? Most of them are our "allies."
April 10th, 2007 at 6:14 pmcmon you dubya lubers! DOn't yew wanna blow up Saudi for revenge of 9/11??? Whuts da matter wif yew? we lernt now who did it!! Cmon what you say lets blow da crap outta saudi arabia and watch that oil burn!!!
Whassamatta?
WHy dont my dubya war lubers want to blow up Saudi? Huh???
Huh. Patrick1? Jake? Michael? V V? Seixon? IRI? Jason? Exley? USA Patriot? Firehead? Whats the problem? Isn't Saudi part of the Islamic militant problem? How do you explain that Osama was a Saudi and we don't attack Saudi Firehead?? Huh?
Yeh, thats what I thought.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:15 pmRingo, it was a reference to those who kept silent while the Nazi's took away the "others" until there was nobody left when they came for you. I didn't think you'd get it.
You tend to stay away when I ask the questions on how the logistics will be worked out to wage the next war. Or how accountability is sorely missing from this administration.
But go ahead correct spelling. The OCD is showing. And if you want to get into an insult rant go for it. It confirms your lack of understanding and fear of anything that challenges your little world.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:17 pmIraq had anything to do with Iraq
Sorry mis-typed I meant 9/11.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:18 pmWhat a disgusting lady. Using a terrorist attack to justify a war that had nothing to do with it except in the false speeches of her bosses? That's just shameful.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:18 pm"This is because you don’t see the real world around you. You don’t pay attention to how people react when you talk big, when you aren’t in a position to do anything about it, otherwise you wouldn’t be in favour of your country doing the same thing.
I see the real world! I see people in my own country who have more sympathy for our enemies then they do for our fighting men and women. I see people in my own country who blame America for everything that is wrong in this world. I see people in my own country who forge military records on a sitting President! I see people in my own country suggesting that this government is responsible for 9/11! I see the real world!
You don’t pay attention to how people who don’t pay there debts, and then annoy their creditors land up. Otherwise you would not be in favour of your country not paying its debts to China, and then talking big about copyright infringement and the paper trade.
We, as a country over the past 200 years have contributed more money to other countries than has ever happened in the history of this world yet it's own citizens accuse this country of being cheap!
You don’t observe how talking can resolve a fight between two people who don’t like each other, otherwise you wouldn’t preach silence with Syria.
Sure, just like Clinton was so successful with North Korea?
You do not learn from your world experiences, because you oppose knowledge, introspection and learning. You don’t think on a wider scale, because you have never observed the smaller scale.
Oppose learning? It is you liberals who don't learn. We pour billions into our failed public schools and you want to spend more! We have poured billions into our failed welfare system and you want to spend more! We try to teach our children morality, you kill 35 million unborn babies! We got attacked on 9/11. We chase and fight our enemies over there and you want to cut and run. I'd say that there is much learning needed, the question is by whom?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — April 10, 2007
April 10th, 2007 at 6:19 pmSaddam had a lot to do with 9/11. How do you idiots explain the fact that Zarkawi, an Al Queda agent, was in Iraq around 9/11? -Firehead
How do you explain the 9/11 commission report by the bush admin that said Saddam wasn't part of it? Did you not read the report? Now WMD? No yellowcake?
Cmon firehead we need a war in Saudi to drive oil prices up!!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:19 pmWhat a disgusting lady. Using a terrorist attack to justify a war that had nothing to do with it except in the false speeches of her bosses? That’s just shameful.
She was not justifying the initial invasion using 9/11. She was stating that there are terrorists there now and leaving would be disasterous.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:20 pmOppose learning? It is you liberals who don’t learn. We pour billions into our failed public schools and you want to spend more! We have poured billions into our failed welfare system and you want to spend more! -Michael
Well lets pour billions into war and building the infrastructure of terrorist nations!! Don't you GOoPers ever learn? We are borrowing almost 3 billion a day!! We need another war in Iran to spend billions on right? Nothing better than spending billions to blow up terrusts right? maybe we can lose another 16 billion in cash in Iran and support some more terror!!! That'll learrn them conservatives!!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pmIf this country truly ran like a company, the stock holders would have shitcanned the CEO a long time ago.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:27 pmOppose learning? It is you liberals who don’t learn. -Michael
Huh, so how many conservatives go to public schools? I live in a red state amd your right michael, they never learned. Most of them do drugs. Most of them fail or flunk out. Yeh your right screw schools.
We need more conservative cannon fodder and we need billions more in corporate welfare, and we need to spend billions building the infrastructure of those terrorist nations we spent billions on blowing up their infrastrucures. Yeh Michael, your a genius!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWe got attacked on 9/11. We chase and fight our enemies over there and you want to cut and run. -Michael
Yeh like Ronny Raygun did cut and run!! Or maybe like Bush sr who cut and run the frst time around!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:33 pmMichael for President!
He wants to attack countries not responsible for 9/11 and then spend billions on blowing up their power grids and water treatment plants and their businesses and then spend billions more rebuilding them terrorist buildings power grids and businesses!!
Hows he gonna pay for that? By closing down all the public schools (which cost billions) and let all them conservative kids serve in the military or worl in Mcdonalds while hundreds of thousands of bums roam the streets of america while 35 million uneducated kids will be born every year with no hope of education!!
Genius!! Then we can borrow billions if not trillions from communists china right Michael!! YAY YAY Michael for president!!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:38 pm"She was not justifying the initial invasion using 9/11. She was stating that there are terrorists there now and leaving would be disasterous."
She was answering the question of how we would know that terrorists would follow us home if we left Iraq, by mentioning 9/11. This is a sly way of justifying Iraq as a military venture, and it is dishonest if you look at what intelligence analysts say. Also, al-Qaeda is a small fraction of the people we are fighting in Iraq, and some major Sunni insurgent groups (think ISI) have turned against them.
So I stand by my judgment of Perino: she is a disgusting lady because she is justifying Iraq by referring to the attacks on my city, which had nothing to do with Iraq. She is using propaganda tactics to associate images (of 9/11) in our mind with others (the necessity of staying in Iraq).
April 10th, 2007 at 6:43 pmSee what happened is when Bush Sr. Cut and Ran from Baghdad the terrorits followed the troops back from Saudi Arabia.
See? So if they followed us back from the first Gulf war then 9/11 is the fault of George Bush Sr. right?
Talk about some f**ked up logic, but thats what Michael wants to believe because he watches some shill on TV repeat that same BS over and over and over from his great big world in the basement!!
And they say conservatives never learn! Well of course they don't learn cause they just make up the BS as they go and they actually believe the BS they constantly defecate!!
YAY YAY YA Y Conservatives are so smart!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:50 pmDidn't Bush himself say that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? What a dumb b*tch.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by GSD #53
...toooo scary...
...you sounded soooo...
...authentic...
April 10th, 2007 at 6:52 pm"I see the real world! I see people in my own country who have more sympathy for our enemies then they do for our fighting men and women. I see people in my own country who blame America for everything that is wrong in this world. I see people in my own country who forge military records on a sitting President! I see people in my own country suggesting that this government is responsible for 9/11! I see the real world!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm"
First......
People attact this government for good cause! Leaving our own country in need for thier own benefit is NOT for America..... Look at Katrina...... Bush knew several days ahead of time that the storm was coming... He said that he would ensure the resources were available.... WHER WERE THEY??
Prove that those documents were forged??? I have YET to hear ONE PERSON step forward and state that they actually worked with Bush in Alabama as he claims...... NO ONE! So if these documents are FAKES, why not provide the proof to show he was there???? What is there to hide??? If he did nothing wrong, then there should be no problem providing the proof.
9/11 was performed by our government, that is why people say that!!!! YOU have yet to answer my question.....
How can OBL have the CODED LANGUAGE for Air Force One???? (Angel)
"We, as a country over the past 200 years have contributed more money to other countries than has ever happened in the history of this world yet it’s own citizens accuse this country of being cheap!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm"
Were are not cheap, just stupid! More so with the current administration.
"Sure, just like Clinton was so successful with North Korea?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm"
You mean like the ZERO Plutonium that was developed after that deal????? You mean like that success????? Until Bush called NK a "axis of evil" the agreement was working.
"Oppose learning? It is you liberals who don’t learn. We pour billions into our failed public schools and you want to spend more! We have poured billions into our failed welfare system and you want to spend more! We try to teach our children morality, you kill 35 million unborn babies! We got attacked on 9/11. We chase and fight our enemies over there and you want to cut and run. I’d say that there is much learning needed, the question is by whom?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm"
Where???? You teach them it is OK to LIE, STEAL, and CHEAT! It is fine as long as you blame it on someone else..... This is the MORALITY that YOU teach our children.
As far as the "babies"...... They are blastosists...... NOT BABIES!!! They are going to be thrown out anyway!!!! In SIMPLE words.... They will be killed one way or the other..... Why not let them help science???
IDIOT!
April 10th, 2007 at 6:54 pmDidn’t Bush himself say that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? What a dumb b*tch.
Comment by Granola Hippy — April 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
I really am having a hard time figuring out why people are saying that Perino stated that Iraq had involvement in 9/11. She is not saying that. She is saying that we have learned from 9/11 and we cannot give terrorists a safe haven like they had in Afghanistan. There are terrorists in Iraq now, and leaving would give them the safe haven she is talking about.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:00 pmNow, please, honey, STFU.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pmSeptember 11th had nothing to do with Iraq.
Now, please, honey, STFU.
Comment by Juan C — April 10, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Where in Perino's statement is it said that Iraq is responsible for 9/11????
April 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThere are terrorists in Iraq now, and leaving would give them the safe haven she is talking about.
Comment by rabidbunny
Of course, there are. One side is a terrorist state that punishes Iraq from planning to go from dollars to euros in order to support its now stolen oil. The other one is a right wing extremist Islam-based organization that was pissed when US stayed in their holy places: Medina and The Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
Both terrorists will leave when US leaves Iraq.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWhat country the US left and then 9/11 happened, rapidbunny?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:13 pmI dont know how people say this woman is hot.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI have found parked trucks with more grace.
Of course, there are. One side is a terrorist state that punishes Iraq from planning to go from dollars to euros in order to support its now stolen oil. The other one is a right wing extremist Islam-based organization that was pissed when US stayed in their holy places: Medina and The Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
Both terrorists will leave when US leaves Iraq.
Comment by Juan C — April 10, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
You think when the U.S. leaves Iraq Al Qaeda will just walk away? Wow.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:18 pmTUSH-land Uber Allies and the commander-in-THIEF Monkey Boy CHIMPya, AND HIS TRUSTED S-THINKING CAP FRANKENCheney ARE BUSY TRYING TO TIE 9/11 TO Iraq ONCE AGAIN IN A FAILED EFFORT TO TRY AND SWAY THE PUBLIC OPINION---TRULY BEATING A DEAD HORSE IN AN ATTEMPT TO TRY AND GET IT TO NEIGH TO THEIR TUNE---Bush and Cheney SHOULD BE BEATEN TO DEATH INSTEAD OF THE DEAD HORSE--IT WOULD SERVE A MUCH BETTER PURPOSE---NOW THE LYING MOUTHPIECE Perino WITH HER LONG BLEACHED-BLECH-STRINGY HAIR SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER, NO, NOT WHEN THE SAINTS GO MARCHIN' IN, BUT THE BEAT TO DEATH GOES ON!!!!! HAH!!!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 7:18 pmWhat country the US left and then 9/11 happened, rapidbunny?
Comment by Juan C — April 10, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
I don't understand what you are asking.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:19 pm“We, as a country over the past 200 years have contributed more money to other countries than has ever happened in the history of this world yet it’s own citizens accuse this country of being cheap!
Comment by michael
Yet you just said we spend too much on educating our own people.
And YET the compassionate (LOL) conservatives are spending billions in Iraq on a people you hate!
Really Michael you hypocrites trip yourselves up at every turn. I wonder how people like you manage to become such hypocrites?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:19 pm"I see the real world! I see people in my own country who have more sympathy for our enemies then they do for our fighting men and women."
-It was you people who sent the troops to die in a war that did not have to be fought. It is you people who allow the troops to blown up in Iraq's civil war. It is you people who sent troops into battle without body armor or armored plated vehicles. It is you people who extend their tours of duty when they are about to come home from a war zone. It is you people who hold the troops hostage with the stop-loss program. It is you people who refuse to fund the VA adequately to address the maimed, mangled, mutilated and psychologically damaged coming back from Iraq. It is you people who have them residing in filth at Walter Reed. You people treat the troops as though they were your own personal serfs.
I see people in my own country who blame America for everything that is wrong in this world.
-We blame Bush for that. The U.S. and the world will be better off once he’s out of office.
I see people in my own country who forge military records on a sitting President!
-Why doesn’t that deserter and draft dodger show us all of his military records?
I see people in my own country suggesting that this government is responsible for 9/11! I see the real world!
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
-Our government paid no attention to Al Qaeda before 9/11. Bush was busy running around trying to promote his tax cuts for the rich and when he wasn’t doing that he was on vacation. Meanwhile, Cheney was busy having meetings with oil executives divvying up Iraq’s oil field.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:19 pm911 was an inside job...
April 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI dont know how people say this woman is hot.
I have found parked trucks with more grace.
Comment by Juan C
Ouch. Heh. :D
April 10th, 2007 at 7:22 pmYou think when the U.S. leaves Iraq Al Qaeda will just walk away? Wow.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
We're fighting Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites who don't want us in their country.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:22 pmBut yet michael also want to stop abortions so he can claim he's pro-life while spending millions if not millions bombing the shit out of innocent women and children in Iraq AND he wants to have another 35 million kids a year, In America, he doesn't want to see or hear or educate but use for cannon fodder so he can sit in his basement and see the REAL WORLD as explained by such drug addicts as Limbaugh!!
But Michael ALSOl thinks it's okay to have billions of dollars in corporate welfare and privatize things to companies that overcharge and screw the taxpayer!!!
YAY michael for PresIdense!! YAY O' YAY!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pmYou think when the U.S. leaves Iraq Al Qaeda will just walk away? Wow.
Comment by rabidbunny
Wh yes didn't you hear, Dubya said they will follow us back home, even though they didn't after the first gulf war!! Amazingly they all went to Saudi before the followed us and attacked us Americans on 9/11!!
April 10th, 2007 at 7:30 pmwhatever foreign terrorists left in Iraq when we leave will be absorbed into one group or another.
They will be of little concern to the United States.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:31 pmAnd no threat.
Oh, except maybe to "American interests"
(read oil companies)
I dont know how people say this woman is hot.
I have found parked trucks with more grace.
Comment by Juan C
I have seen prostitutes standing on a street corner during a texas hotspell that were hotter with more grease!
April 10th, 2007 at 7:33 pm"You think when the U.S. leaves Iraq Al Qaeda will just walk away? Wow.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:18 pm"
You think that Al Qaeda is the major issue in Iraq? WOW!
Al Qaeda is not the issue...... It is sectarian violence that is the issue... If we got out..... Then the Iraqi's would chase Al Qaeda out, because they don't want them there either.
Keep swallowing the fear pill....
April 10th, 2007 at 7:36 pmYou think that Al Qaeda is the major issue in Iraq? WOW!
Al Qaeda is not the issue…… It is sectarian violence that is the issue… If we got out….. Then the Iraqi’s would chase Al Qaeda out, because they don’t want them there either.
Keep swallowing the fear pill….
Comment by RemoveBush — April 10, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
It has nothing to do with a fear pill. If the Iraqis don't want Al Qaeda there, whey haven't they chased them out by now? How are we stopping them from getting Al Qaeda out of there? Your logic is clearly flawed.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pmWh yes didn’t you hear, Dubya said they will follow us back home, even though they didn’t after the first gulf war!! Amazingly they all went to Saudi before the followed us and attacked us Americans on 9/11!!
Al Qaeda had nothing to do with the first gulf war, but they have a lot to do with this one. I really don't understand your point here.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:44 pmAl Qaeda had nothing to do with the first gulf war, but they have a lot to do with this one. I really don’t understand your point here. Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Are you referring to their use as a *diversion* and *excuse*? Because that's the only role they had - jack*ss.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:04 pmWhen America leaves Iraq al-Qaeda will go back home to Saudi Arabia. That is where their support is, and that is where their money is.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pmIt has nothing to do with a fear pill. If the Iraqis don’t want Al Qaeda there, whey haven’t they chased them out by now? Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Because Al Qaeda looks better to many of them, than we do after Abu Ghraib and the rest of our failures. Dum bass.
How are we stopping them from getting Al Qaeda out of there? Your logic is clearly flawed. Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Because we're the bigger target, therefore we become an excuse for Al Qaeda to be there. The Al Qaeda cells tell the locals that they're there to defend their particular 'sect' from American aggression. It works, and everyone loses.
You should be called dumbunny.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pmMcVey blew his wad a decade early...........kidding of course.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:06 pmIf the Iraqis don’t want Al Qaeda there, whey haven’t they chased them out by now? How are we stopping them from getting Al Qaeda out of there? Your logic is clearly flawed.
Comment by rabidbunny
They're too busy trying to chase US out of Iraq, Einstein.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pmIt has nothing to do with a fear pill. If the Iraqis don’t want Al Qaeda there, whey haven’t they chased them out by now? How are we stopping them from getting Al Qaeda out of there? Your logic is clearly flawed.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
You act as though the big problem in Iraq is Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda represents a minute number of the people we are fighting there. The real problem is the Iraqi people who don't want their country occupied. The Iraqi people are tolerating that minute number of Al Qaeda because they will help them end the occupation of their country. Once we're gone, there’s no reason for the Iraqis to tolerate Al Qaeda.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:16 pmAl Qaeda had nothing to do with the first gulf war, but they have a lot to do with this one. I really don’t understand your point here.
Comment by rabidbunny — April 10, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Al Qaeda has nothing to do with the Iraq war; this was a concoction of the nutcases who put together the PNAC.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:20 pm#177 how do you know Al Queda sees Iraq as being pivital? Pivital for the reason the president has said...that they will have a safe haven if we leave? Using that line of thought, we will never leave. Remeber the president himself hs said staying is wining leaving is losing, with no other condistions to recognize for either what do you do? Or perhaps you mean AlQueda sees Iraq as being pivital for other reasons? Perhaps because BinLaden has said that getting the US invloved in a land war in the Mid East works to Al Queda's advantage, in that case, then the president is acting as an AlQueda Operative would. In either case staying is not a good option for the US.
#183 Michael, once again you display a fox like non-grasp of reality. Nort Korea and their Nuke program were contained and did not break the agreement until our president and his adminsitration reniged on terms of the Clinton era settlement. Once they renigged so did North Korea. Additionally the agreement we have today is no better than what Clinton had, so where exactly are we better off? Your post overall sets you off as being a knee kjerk my way or fk off type of conservative.
Firehead, using your logic, the united states had something to do with 911 since the hijackers were in the country prior to 911. Dizzying.
#195 she did not say Iraq did 911 but once again she is freely associating Iraq and 911 even though the two are totally unrelated. If Iraq is or becomes a safe haven for terrorists it is because we created the mess. Also now please explain how leaving will give them a safe haven? They already have a safe haven that we are not doing anything about it is called Saudi Arabia. ANyhow do you think that the Shia are goingto let their enemy roam free? The Kurds? The Sunni May, but if we leave the Sunni Will align with Saudi, the Shia with Iran and the kurds will fend for themselves so our friends the Saudis can work on AlQueda since they are essentially the logistics base for the group. Bunny you also seem to imply that AlQueda are the only one's in Iraq causing violence. Well according to our military, you know the "guys in the ground" Al Queda is somewhere around 5% of the total. And if we leave they may not leave but sure as shooting the shia will beat their ass and make them wish they had left.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:53 pmAl Qaeda had nothing to do with the first gulf war, but they have a lot to do with this one.
Comment by rabidbunny
See my point? By definition, US is the good force in every conflict. There is no question about it, no shade of doubt whatsoever, no discussion, no criticism. After US starved to death a ruined country that invaded Kuwait in order to press oil prices to its convenience and with complete allowance by Bush I, we had the I Gulf War. US was the good humanitarian force throwing out evil Saddam from good ol´Kuwait. No question about it. 12 years later after making up evidence US throws a shaming shock and awe operation against an unarmed country for some UN resolution violation while US has 70+ violations according to UN resolutions. But, there is no question that those bombs are somehow to spread peace and democracy. Then the toppling of the Saddam´s regime, the first thing US forces did was to seize the Oil Ministry in Baghdad, while everything else was left for looting, you know, that will spread peace and democracy, right? Now, US builds 14 permanent bases in Iraq; yeah, as in permanent, while Iraqis want US out, but I guess they are now far better than they were back in Saddam´s days...or they? Iraqis are willing to die in order to kill US forces, Sunnis, Shiites, Wahabbists, whatever, but they werent willing to die back then. US forces torture and rape civilians, but thats another way to bring peace and stability to the Middle East. But no, US actions are always for a good cause. Always.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:02 pmNow I can go to throw up.
Comment by Juan C #224
Juan C,
...the right wingers haven't evolved to the point where...
...they can see themselves as the villain...
...in their personal Walter Mitty daydreams...
April 10th, 2007 at 9:08 pmComment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Having Fox News or Rush Limbaugh give you their interpretation of the "real world" does not count as having based your beliefs on the real world itself...
April 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pmComment by Juan C — April 10, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
That might just be the best post I've ever read here... That was brilliant Juan.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:07 pmUS forces torture and rape civilians, but thats another way to bring peace and stability to the Middle East. But no, US actions are always for a good cause. Always.
Now I can go to throw up.
Comment by Juan C
Juan, I so appreciate that you comment here. I learn from you everyday.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:53 ammichael
America is, comparatively speaking, cheap. Of the first world countries right now, it is the one that gives least in aid to the rest of the world, only giving 0.1% of GDP. England, actually gives one heck of a lot more, at 1% of GDP. (Anybody doesn't believe me, go look it up.)
Plus that 0.1% is actually mostly made up of loans, with agreements that those loans will be used to buy excess American goods. Thus meaning that local industries are not developed to produce those goods themselves, and that America gets paid back thrice: Once when the loan is paid off, because unlike America Africa is expected to pay its debts, once when that country buys America's goods, and once when America gains the benefit of less competition in the markets.
Yet at the same time America is the country which whines about it most.
It is also the country which is currently the biggest culprit in making that aid "neccessary." Global warming is having a definite effect in sub-saharan Africa, with South Africa going through a drought, Mozambique dealing with massive flooding (Which it is handling somewhat better then America handled Katrina, BTB) and various countries citing America's actions at Gitmo as their justification of how they are behaving on human rights.
That is the reality as an African that I have seen of America's "Generosity."
And yet I am pro America. Perhaps in part because I know what the economy will do if America's economy goes down, in part because America does have a positive roll to play in the world. Where America leads, the world follows, and if America leads us to peace, prosperity and goodwill, then we all benefit, if America leads us to where the Republicans are going now, towards war, poverty and hatred, then we all lose.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:13 am13 Dana Perino is an embarrassment to the american public. She stammers and stutters and is sooooo obviously in over her head. She won’t last.
Comment by veritas
But isn't just about everyone in the Bush administration in over their heads?
April 11th, 2007 at 10:28 amHelen: were you asking a question or making a political statement?
you liberal schill.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:36 amShe's just sticking to the Rovian tactic of telling complete lies and fantasies so much that it becomed "fact" by repetition.
Same shit different day!!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHelen: were you asking a question or making a political statement?
you liberal schill (SIC).
Comment by greg fioritto
No, greg, Helen was pointing a verified fact. You neoCON koolaid addict.
April 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFrom your point of view, Lora. The government of Afghanistan did not attack us either on 9-11, by the way. I guess we should have left the Taliban in power too eh?
Saddam was such a nice guy, I miss him.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:53 amDon't tell me what my point of view is, greg fioritto. You don't know, and you are simply putting one thing with another and getting three. Even the 9/11 Commission concluded that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. As a matter of fact, I don't think we should have left the Taliban in power. However, by diverting US military resources to Iraq, a country which--et me repeat--did not attack the US, we have allowed the Taliban and Al Qaeda to make a comeback in parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
April 12th, 2007 at 11:08 amI hope that one day you will miss Osama Bin Laden as much as you miss Saddam Hussein; unfortunately, this administration hasn't been doing much to find him over 5 1/2 years after 9/11!
The YOUNG DITZ might want to educate her brain. We have been SPREADING terrorists around the world as note by Oxford Report just released.
Send her over to Iraq. We need luke warm bodies now to guard the gates of the green zone.
April 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI'm so tired of the infantile, brain dead, non-thinking types in the Bush Adminstration, like this Dana...sold her soul. Sold her soul. Really it's like trying to argue with a child. Child isn't the right word because children aren't so flipant to any words that don't come from the Bush Adminstration. This infecting madness needs to stop. But it might as well just rot away like the rotting corpses these people are. That's you, Dana.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmMetal illness in it's worst abomination.
237. Helen: were you asking a question or making a political statement?
you liberal schill.
Comment by greg fioritto
No it's the fight against the brain-dead, like you greg.
It's a disagreement about reality. And if there is a disagreement about reality, then the person who is wrong is insane, that's you greg.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pm“Oppose learning? It is you liberals who don’t learn. We pour billions into our failed public schools and you want to spend more! We have poured billions into our failed welfare system and you want to spend more! We try to teach our children morality, you kill 35 million unborn babies! We got attacked on 9/11. We chase and fight our enemies over there and you want to cut and run. I’d say that there is much learning needed, the question is by whom?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pmâ€
Answer: You.
April 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm76. “Even Sen. Clinton recognizes this. Hence, her statements that as president she would keep some troops in Iraq to battle Al Qaeda.
Comment by Exley — April 10, 2007″
Exley, they’re liberals, of course they don’t understand.
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
I know bigots don't understand. Liberals, blacks, what's the difference michael??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
April 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmsorry about that. :( :) Forgive me? ;)
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