Federal panel altered report on voter fraud.
By on Apr 10th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Federal panel altered report on voter fraud.
“A federal panel responsible for conducting election research played down the findings of experts who concluded last year that there was little voter fraud around the nation,” the New York Times reports. “Instead, the panel, the Election Assistance Commission, issued a report that said the pervasiveness of fraud was open to debate. The revised version echoes complaints made by Republican politicians, who have long suggested that voter fraud is widespread and justifies the voter identification laws that have been passed in at least two dozen states.”
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Typical Republicans. They have to lie about everything.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmSome skinny lady whom some feel is a tranny, may have committed voter fraud.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:46 pmFor more on EAC report and the essential role of the myth of voter fraud in the two-pronged GOP strategy of mobilizing its base while suppressing Democratic and independent turnout, see:
“Divide, Suppress and Conquer: The GOP’s 25% Strategy.”
April 10th, 2007 at 11:46 pmI don’t like the republicans much, but I believe, that our system needs to be as free of possible corruption as possible. Frankly we show ID for almost everything, so the idea of showing at least a state issued ID does not bother me. I believe keeping the even a small incidence of voter fraud, and other such problems should not exist. We need to be able to trust the democratic process in our elections.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:46 pm#4 You are buying into the right-wing fiction that voter fraud is real. It is a myth. The only reason the ID is an issue is because the righties don’t want the poor to vote. Plain and simple.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmKrazny,
I’m too tired to go into the poll tax thing.
Personally, I think if there’s voter fraud going on at all, it’s not by those who might have trouble with the ID issue, it’s the people in charge of the voting machines, with an agenda.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:50 pm“The revised version echoes complaints made by Republican politicians, who have long suggested that voter fraud is widespread and justifies the voter identification laws that have been passed in at least two dozen states.†11:33 pm”
And just who are these Republican polititians?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:56 pm“Typical Republicans. They have to lie about everything.
Comment by VerbalKint — April 10, 2007″
And I suppose you can tell us just what those lies were?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmRepublicans say, when the facts aren’t on your side, make shit up!
Faith based governance folks, coming to a townhall near you.
-GSD
April 10th, 2007 at 11:58 pm“I don’t like the republicans much, but I believe, that our system needs to be as free of possible corruption as possible.
Comment by Krazny — April 10, 2007″
So, no democrats either?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:00 amMichael:
*WMD’s in Iraq.
*Saddams ties to Al Qaeda.
*A few dead enders, no insurgency.
*Last throes.
*Global warming is a hoax.
*The Republicans are going to win the 2006 elections.
*Bush stands behind Rumsfeld.
*Brownie is doing a heckuva job.
*Bush and Rove are going to see that New Orleans is repaired.
*Bush is going to push for new space program.
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 12:01 am“Personally, I think if there’s voter fraud going on at all, it’s not by those who might have trouble with the ID issue, it’s the people in charge of the voting machines, with an agenda.
Comment by Zooey — April 10, 2007″
Really? Maybe you can tell us what you learned in your 6th grade political correctness class today?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:02 am““The revised version echoes complaints made by Republican politicians, who have long suggested that voter fraud is widespread and justifies the voter identification laws that have been passed in at least two dozen states.†11:33 pmâ€
And just who are these Republican polititians?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007″
Do a little research and tell us?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:04 am#8 And I assume you can tell us where they weren’t lying?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:04 am“Republicans say, when the facts aren’t on your side, make shit up!
Faith based governance folks, coming to a townhall near you.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — April 10, 2007″
How about giving us a REAL example?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:05 am#12 Hmm, political correctness class, mikey? What kind of school did you go to? NM, you wouldn’t know about school as you were home schooled by your xenophobic parents.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:05 amReally? Maybe you can tell us what you learned in your 6th grade political correctness class today?
Comment by michael
Just go back to you compulsive masterbation, ok?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:07 amAnd just who are these Republican polititians?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007″
Go to a list of members of Congress. If there’s an R next to their name they’re a liar.
Or are you unable to find that list since you fundamentalists are all homeschooled and obviously your mother was a drunk.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:08 am#
Michael:
*WMD’s in Iraq.
Yes, they were there after all he used them on his own people which you love to conveniently forget!
*Saddams ties to Al Qaeda.
Are you saying there were no training camps in Iraq? Are you saying that Saddam didn’t pay $25,000 to the surviving families of these cowards?
*A few dead enders, no insurgency.
*Last throes.
*Global warming is a hoax.
It is a hoax! I can’t imagine why the earth is cooling everywhere?
Comment by GSD — April 11, 2007
April 11th, 2007 at 12:12 amrepugnant-repub rightwingnut crank fudge-pachyderms REGARD AUTHENTIC VOTER FRAUD AS SOUR GRAPES FROM “ILLEGAL” UNQUALIFIED VOTERS, THE DISENFRANCHISED MINORITIES AND TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT—BUT IT’S COMING BACK TO SMASH THEM RIGHT IN THEIR LYING FACES!!!! WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM!!!!! A GOOD “VOTER FRAUD” CLOCK-CLEANING IS IN ORDER HERE!!!!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:15 am“#8 And I assume you can tell us where they weren’t lying?
Comment by JPark — April 11, 2007 ”
No, no, no. You pinkos made the charge so back it up?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:15 am#19 Yes, they were there after all he used them on his own people which you love to conveniently forget!
Uh, yeah, the Sarin they had during the Iraq-Iran war was provided by the US.
Are you saying there were no training camps in Iraq? Are you saying that Saddam didn’t pay $25,000 to the surviving families of these cowards?
Training camps in Iraq? Do you mean Kurd controlled Iraq? You know the Kurds, our allies? Fool.
It is a hoax! I can’t imagine why the earth is cooling everywhere?
That is even more ridiculous than most of your posts, mikey.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:16 amMichael, by your logic, George W. Bush was harboring Al Qaeda because they were living in the US before they attacked on 9/11.
Al Zarqawi lived in Kurdish northern Iraq in the no-fly zone. So, he was in effect being harbored by the Kurds instead of Saddam.
Now get back to your Kool-Aid and don’t forget to put on your diaper, because Al Qaeda is gonna get you!
Saddam paid money to Palestinians, not Al Qaeda you nitwit.
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 12:17 ammichael, are you calling global warming a hoax? Making such a claim is the province of liars, wackos, and the very deeply stupid.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:19 am“#12 Hmm, political correctness class, mikey? What kind of school did you go to? NM, you wouldn’t know about school as you were home schooled by your xenophobic parents.
Comment by JPark — April 11, 2007″
Hardly! Unlike you and zoo I graduated from a very reputable college in Malibu. zooey might be able to make that claim in about another 10 years but I’m hoping she doesn’t follow me to Pepperdine!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:20 am#24 I think mikey missed the last issued talking points. Not even denyers are actually denying the earth is warming, anymore.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:20 am“Go to a list of members of Congress. If there’s an R next to their name they’re a liar.
Or are you unable to find that list since you fundamentalists are all homeschooled and obviously your mother was a drunk.
Comment by shane — April 11, 2007″
Kind of a very childish response if you can’t describe the charges next to their names? But as usual, you fellow travelers are empty!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:22 am#25 My apologies. With all of the sub-average posts your have subjected us to I assumed you had dropped out of grade school.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:23 amI simply cannot understand global warming denialism. It is bizarre. What kind of person is stupid enough to believe that virtually every climate expert on the planet is wrong, despite decades of research on the subject? Who would risk their credibility by going against a well-established, worldwide, scientific consensus?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:24 am“michael, are you calling global warming a hoax? Making such a claim is the province of liars, wackos, and the very deeply stupid.
Comment by VerbalKint — April 11, 2007″
YES! YES! YES! FOOL!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:25 amNo, michael, if anything, you’ve taught us that it is sensible to avoid Pepperdine at all costs. Thank goodness I turned down their invitation.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:25 amHardly! Unlike you and zoo I graduated from a very reputable college in Malibu. zooey might be able to make that claim in about another 10 years but I’m hoping she doesn’t follow me to Pepperdine!
Comment by michael
Pepperdine, huh? Well, I I’m glad I won’t go there, since I see what kind of product they put out. Your parents need to get their money back.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:26 ammichael,
you’re talking about maturity? How about comparing your credentials with others in an internet forum?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:26 am“I simply cannot understand global warming denialism. It is bizarre. What kind of person is stupid enough to believe that virtually every climate expert on the planet is wrong, despite decades of research on the subject? Who would risk their credibility by going against a well-established, worldwide, scientific consensus?
Comment by VerbalKint — April 11, 2007
Every climate expert? Name them?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:27 amEvery climate expert? Name them?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:27 am
If you have to ask, you really aren’t worth the debate, now are you, old ignorant coward?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:28 amVoting is THEvery core of our democracy… Too little has been made of the fraud during the past 4 elections… why are we not out in the streets about this, the illegal war, the mistreatment of our troops, 47 million without health care, lost pensions, jobs going over seas and the continued F*cking LIES we hear while our country continues to go down?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:29 amMichael, if you really have a degree from Pepperdine, I suggest suing. Obviously you are a complete idiot, an uneducated, incurious dolt like your master Bush. You deserve a tuition refund.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:29 amYES! YES! YES! FOOL!
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Michael says, as he dances around the room, with poop filled diapers on his head, while looking in the mirror.
Change your depends old man, they’re as full of sh*t, as you are tonight!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:29 amKind of a very childish response if you can’t describe the charges next to their names? But as usual, you fellow travelers are empty!
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:22 am
You, accusing others of being childish, ah, the irony…
If you’re an old man, then the old adage is true. Once a man, twice a child. Guess which of those three scenarios, you’re in, child?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:30 amNo, no, no. You pinkos made the charge so back it up?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:15 am
No, no, no, you fascist nazis claim things aren’t true, back it up.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:30 amEvery climate expert? Name them?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Use google. Read the IPCC report. Read the newspaper. Do something, idiot.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 am#34 Oh, Heyzeus!!! You fricking retard!!! You ask the most idiotic questions and you expect us to respond with reasoned posts. What is your problem? Did mommy not hug you enough as a child?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amHardly! Unlike you and zoo I graduated from a very reputable college in Malibu. zooey might be able to make that claim in about another 10 years but I’m hoping she doesn’t follow me to Pepperdine! Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:20 am
The Pepperdine kindergarten doesn’t make you an expert son. It makes you a *retard*.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amEvery climate expert? Name them?
Comment by michael
Try this, Michael: Every climate expert? Name them, please.
See? You don’t need a quesiton mark at the end of EVERY sentence. Pepperdine, my ass.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amReally? Maybe you can tell us what you learned in your 6th grade political correctness class today? Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Why, are you trying to skip ahead 6 years?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:32 amDo a little research and tell us?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Says the twit that knows nothing.
How about giving us a REAL example?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Says the twit that never gives REAL examples.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:33 amAnd just who are these Republican polititians?
Comment by michael — April 10, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
Lets start with valiant venus, the resident c*nt troll. She made this charge this and last week.
Tell me michael, what Republican politician (your spelling is as bad as your trailer park logic – ask Pepperdine for a refund!) doesn’t whine about voter fraud? Including Whiney bush?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:35 amSee? You don’t need a quesiton mark at the end of EVERY sentence. Pepperdine, my ass. Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Yeah, another wannabe private educate idiot (like valiant venus) that claims a superior education, while demonstrating the level of language sophistication one must usually visit the trailer park to find.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:37 amWhy, are you trying to skip ahead 6 years?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Don’t you just love how Michael calls everyone else childish, and then reponds in such a childish manner? Heh.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:38 amYeah, another wannabe private educate idiot (like valiant venus) that claims a superior education, while demonstrating the level of language sophistication one must usually visit the trailer park to find.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I’m seriously concerned about the inability to capitalize their own names, and the terrible spelling. And the whole head up the ass troll thing, of course.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:40 amAnd just who are these Republican polititians?
Comment by michael
They are Republican Polititians (sic) of course!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:45 amDo a little research and tell us?
Comment by michael
What, exactly, did you learn at Pepperdine?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:48 am[other than to use the question mark ad nauseum]
Every climate expert? Name them?
Comment by michael
No. 1 Them T. Them
April 11th, 2007 at 12:52 amNo. 2 Him T. Them
No. 3 Her T. Them
No. 4 They T. Them
etc.
etc.
Name some Republican lies?
from whitehouse.gov January 28, 2003:
“30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents”…”25,000 liters of anthrax — enough doses to kill several million people”….”500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent”…..”materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin “……”several mobile biological weapons labs”….”Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa”…..”high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production”….
There was also “the meeting in Prague”, “the shack in the north”, “the drones”, “the ties to al-Qaeda”, the “ready to launch in 45 minutes”, the constant linking to 9/11, etc., etc.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:54 amReally? Maybe you can tell us what you learned in your 6th grade political correctness class today? Comment by michael
Really? They have 6th grade P.C. classes? Prove it?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:54 amIn the state where I live, we already have voter identification. It’s called a Voter Registration Card and it’s free. If a National Voter Registration Card is required, then it too should be free. Moreover, wouldn’t that be a duplication of bureaucracy? I thought Republicans were for small government and state rights. Oops, I forgot. All Republicans are liars.
PS: Don’t youz guys watch commercials? Mikey hates everything. Except Life cereal.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:54 amZep,
You are so clever. I hadn’t thought of actually NAMING them. Heh.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:55 am“Just go back to you compulsive masterbation, ok?
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007″
zoo, in the past month that we have been jostling with each other I don’t recall one intelligent comment from you. Whenever you do take a shot at me I feel like I’m defending myself against my 13 year old step daughter because, believe me, you are not as smart as she is. Better get out of that public school and get a serious education but somehow I don’t thing you qualify intellectually!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:58 amThere is not a problem with people voting illegally in the US.
There is a problem with votes being counted by machines made by pro-Republican corporations and we are not even allowed to see how the machines work!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:58 amthing is not a verb. I thing you mean think.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:00 am“Really? They have 6th grade P.C. classes? Prove it?
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 11, 2007″
I’m sure you haven’t heard about it yet but you will when you start the 6th grade next semester!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:00 amYou are so clever. I hadn’t thought of actually NAMING them. Heh.
Comment by Zooey
Yeh, that’s how I’m gonna answer michael until he stops asking so many inane questions =)
As well I am capable of learning from other witty weisenheimers!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:01 amBTW, How are you tonite Zoo?
If you really are a graduate of Pepperdine, then why do you sound precisely like someone who did not go through a legitimate high school?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:01 am“There is a problem with votes being counted by machines made by pro-Republican corporations and we are not even allowed to see how the machines work!
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
Quite a mouthful? Want to back it up with verifiable FACTS?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:02 amWhenever you do take a shot at me I feel like I’m defending myself against my 13 year old step daughter -Michael
Wow, she must really respect you.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:03 am“from whitehouse.gov January 28, 2003:
“30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agentsâ€â€¦â€25,000 liters of anthrax — enough doses to kill several million peopleâ€â€¦.â€500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agentâ€â€¦..â€materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin “……â€several mobile biological weapons labsâ€â€¦.â€Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africaâ€â€¦..â€high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons productionâ€â€¦.
There was also “the meeting in Pragueâ€, “the shack in the northâ€, “the dronesâ€, “the ties to al-Qaedaâ€, the “ready to launch in 45 minutesâ€, the constant linking to 9/11, etc., etc.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
And you have proven that these are lies?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:04 amNo developed country in the world would accept the story that the exit polls were off by a full 3%, and that the candidate the polls said won by 3% really lost by 2.6% !
There was rioting in the streets when they pulled that in The Ukraine and Georgia.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:05 amzoo, in the past month that we have been jostling with each other I don’t recall one intelligent comment from you. Whenever you do take a shot at me I feel like I’m defending myself against my 13 year old step daughter because, believe me, you are not as smart as she is. Better get out of that public school and get a serious education but somehow I don’t thing you qualify intellectually!
Comment by michael
Like I said before, Michael, you may call me Zooey. Only my friends call me “Zoo.” Better yet, just leave me the f*ck alone.
Frankly, Michael, I don’t give a shit whether or not you think I’ve ever said anything intelligent. You fired the first volley in this pissing match, not me. You and your idiotic questions and demands for debates, from which you promptly run away.
If you think you’re making me look bad on TP, you really are an imbecile.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:06 am“If you really are a graduate of Pepperdine, then why do you sound precisely like someone who did not go through a legitimate high school?
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
I went through a very legitimate high school taught by the Irish Christian Brothers. How about you?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:06 am#64
There have been many studies, but I guess you only watch Fox and listen to Limbaugh.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:06 amWant to back it up with verifiable FACTS?
Comment by michael
It is It. Why does anyone need to prove to you what ‘it’ is?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:06 amCan’t you verify ‘it’ yourself?
As well I am capable of learning from other witty weisenheimers!
BTW, How are you tonite Zoo?
Comment by Zep Tepi
I am simply fabulous, Zep. Getting ready to ace the Geology exam tomorrow. How are you this fine evening?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:08 amKrazny,
I’m too tired to go into the poll tax thing.
Personally, I think if there’s voter fraud going on at all, it’s not by those who might have trouble with the ID issue, it’s the people in charge of the voting machines, with an agenda.
Comment by Zooey — April 10, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Requiring ID is hardly a poll tax and when I worked determining eligibility for welfare, Medicaid, and Food Stamps, ID was required. I never interviewed anyone who was unable to secure ID to apply for benefits. These were the poorest people in our society and we require ID for welfare. So the hardship arguement is ridiculous.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:09 amAt university I had 10 sociology, 8 history, and 5 political science courses. I was dean’s list back when it really meant something. My university was fourth in the country in sociology and top ten in history and political science. I have been reading history books for fifty years.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:10 am“thing is not a verb. I thing you mean think.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
You are absolutely correct! But what does that have to do with your fellow travelers accusations that there was Republican voter fraud? Huh?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:10 amI went through a very legitimate high school taught by the Irish Christian Brothers. How about you?
Comment by michael
Oh, no wonder, you went ‘through’ a high school and did not attend one.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:10 amThe question was why you sound precisely like someone who could not get through high school. You must have had your brain wasted listening to right-wing drivel.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:12 am“I am simply fabulous, Zep. Getting ready to ace the Geology exam tomorrow. How are you this fine evening?
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007″
Is that intro to geology kids get in grammar school or the real thing that you get in high school?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:12 amSo the hardship arguement is ridiculous.
Comment by CC
Just ignore the second paragraph of my comment. Whatever.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:14 amHow are you this fine evening?
Comment by Zooey
Good, Good, got some family coming in town for a visit tomm. evening.
Mother and step-father. He was a flight engineer in WWII and usually has some interesting stories to tell.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:14 amIs that intro to geology kids get in grammar school or the real thing that you get in high school?
Comment by michael
Why do you insist on making yourself look so foolish?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:15 am“Oh, no wonder, you went ‘through’ a high school and did not attend one.
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 11, 2007″
You make it so obvious that you would rather act like clowns as opposed to serious discussion but then again high school kids aren’t capable of serious discussion, are they?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:15 amThe studies done saying the elections were stolen by the machine count are highly empirical. When you ask over 70,000 people who have just voted “who did you just vote for?”, it is totally impossible for your results to off by a full 3%.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:15 amWhy do you have to include the “felllow travelers” insult? You are very insulting and you cannot understand why you get insults.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:17 am“At university I had 10 sociology, 8 history, and 5 political science courses. I was dean’s list back when it really meant something. My university was fourth in the country in sociology and top ten in history and political science. I have been reading history books for fifty years.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
So, what happened to you?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:18 amIs that intro to geology kids get in grammar school or the real thing that you get in high school? -michael.
You got the ‘real-thing’ in high school? Say, what was his name?
michael your sentence structuring is horrid at best.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:18 am“Why do you insist on making yourself look so foolish?
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007″
Really zooey? Explain, if you can!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:19 amSo, what happened to you?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:18 am
See, this is what I mean. Why does everything with you have to be an insult?
And then you whine that we don’t want to engage in a civil discussion.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:20 am“Why do you have to include the “felllow travelers†insult? You are very insulting and you cannot understand why you get insults.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
Oh? I see the truth hurts?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:20 amGood, Good, got some family coming in town for a visit tomm. evening.
Mother and step-father. He was a flight engineer in WWII and usually has some interesting stories to tell.
Comment by Zep Tepi
I bet he does! Have a great visit. :)
April 11th, 2007 at 1:21 am“No developed country in the world would accept the story that the exit polls were off by a full 3%, and that the candidate the polls said won by 3% really lost by 2.6% !
There was rioting in the streets when they pulled that in The Ukraine and Georgia.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 ”
PROVE SOMETHING?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:23 amReally zooey? Explain, if you can!
Comment by michael
Every word you’ve typed since you came here is evidence enough. Keep talking, f*ckwit.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:23 amThis is not the civil argument you are asking for.
“Fellow travelers” is a slur saying I am a member of the communist party. Joe McCarthy liked to use this tactic.
This is very childish and this is why people don’t like you.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:24 amSee, this is what I mean. Why does everything with you have to be an insult?
And then you whine that we don’t want to engage in a civil discussion.
Comment by keith
Keith,
You have captured the very essence of the warty and smelly troll, Michael. Just challenge him to a debate — he’ll run away.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:25 am“And then you whine that we don’t want to engage in a civil discussion.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 ”
You want to engage in a civil debate? START? I will ignore everyone else and just make this about you and me. BEGIN?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:25 amYou make it so obvious that you would rather act like clowns as opposed to serious discussion but then again high school kids aren’t capable of serious discussion, are they?
Comment by michael
This coming from a grown man who argues with a 13 year old child?
I graduated from High School in 1978 Michael. It was a Career development cluster and I graduated with a Department of Trasportation (DOT) license to work on American civilian aircraft.
You know, those big things with wings often seen at the airport with all those buttons, dials and switches in the cockpit?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:27 am#91
Do you not know that the exit polls said Kerry won by 3.0% and yet the official version was that Bush won by 2.6%?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:27 am“Every word you’ve typed since you came here is evidence enough. Keep talking, f*ckwit.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 ”
Still incapable of a serious debate? You don’t think everyone else recognizes this? If not, you’re pretty stupid!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:28 amZooey,
You would have liked how I was defending you the other day against Buckets/ChildrenofLir and his whole obsession with Feinstein.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:29 amKeith?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:29 amKeith, zooey? I’ll take the both of you on together?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:30 amit’s hard for me to discuss anything when it takes TP 8 minutes to put things up.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:32 amStill incapable of a serious debate? You don’t think everyone else recognizes this? If not, you’re pretty stupid!
Comment by michael
Ok, Michael, I didn’t want to have to do this, but you have forced my hand.
The debate topic, which I chose after you challenged me to a debate (”Any topic!”), is this:
Michael is a complete and utter moron.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:32 amMichael is to argue in favor of that position.
Get started, chickenshit.
Keith, Michael, doesn’t, hasnt ever debated – he just answers facts and proofs with more questions.
I call him King question mark.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:33 amZooey,
And then stonehinge and Hu began attacking as being pro-war. They couldn’t comprehend what I was saying.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:35 amZooey,
You would have liked how I was defending you the other day against Buckets/ChildrenofLir and his whole obsession with Feinstein.
Comment by keith
I appreciate it, Keith. That one is a little scary.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:35 amDid you have a different name then? I don’t recall your name.
What I want to know is how any intelligent person can defend responding to Michael. If you respond to that drivel, you are an idiot yourself. Sorry
April 11th, 2007 at 1:35 amKeith, zooey? I’ll take the both of you on together?
Comment by michael
Oh for heaven’s sake, leave me alone, you sick f*ck.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:36 amokay michael,
Respond to #97.
I swear it takes TP 8 minutes to put mine up.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:36 amYou make it so obvious that you would rather act like clowns as opposed to serious discussion but then again high school kids aren’t capable of serious discussion, are they? Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Wow, such a great self analysis. Too bad you’re too st*pid to know you’re describing yourself.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:36 amOkay let’s start a debate michael.
I say the Republicans lost the house and senate in 2006 because of the culture of corruption which surrounds the Bush administration.
Karl said he had the numbers, but he did not.
Now prove to me why Karl, political genius, miscalculated Michael?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:37 amKeith, zooey? I’ll take the both of you on together?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Like you have the brains or b*lls to take on anyone – sh*t ridden old coward.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:37 am106
I was using keith, but I think I was late–after you left.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:37 amYou can find everything Michael does/says here:
Michael is here to disrupt…that is all he is here for.
Sorry to post this again,but it’s needed in my view…
6 ways trolls hope to disrupt constructive liberal blog discussion:
April 11th, 2007 at 1:38 am1.Flames_2. Post a comment that is catchy but completely off topic_3. Lie, presenting “facts†that take time to debunk, therefore creating doubt for the moment._4. Create super long posts so scrolling that down to the next post is a chore and disruptive._5. Ask questions ( ala Fox News) in order to draw in other posters – get them engaged with said troll – with no intention of listening to the responses. 6. Just outright denial…..just because
Still incapable of a serious debate? You don’t think everyone else recognizes this? If not, you’re pretty stupid! Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:28 am
BAHAHA, I love it when you talk to yourself with such honesty! Even when you don’t know it! Dum bass!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:38 am“The debate topic, which I chose after you challenged me to a debate (â€Any topic!â€), is this:
Michael is a complete and utter moron.
Michael is to argue in favor of that position.
Get started, chickenshit.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007″
And I have been challenged to respond to this childish debate many times and zooey I don’t understand who you think you are impressing with such a childish challenge? Let’s talk about something that you cowards on the left disagree with us patriots on the right? Tell us why you would “cut and run”?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:38 amIs that intro to geology kids get in grammar school or the real thing that you get in high school? Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:12 am
When you get out of kindergarten, you’ll find out. St*pid little boy.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:39 amI went through a very legitimate high school taught by the Irish Christian Brothers. How about you? Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:06 am
Your parents should get their money back, because it’s obvious you were just being taught in the backroom of a bar by illiterates! Sounds like your parents were as st*pid as you are!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:40 amI’ll take the both of you on together? -Michael
Lets debate Pepperdines english program Michael.
I say their program must, by your example above, have really sucked.
Prove that it didn’t Michael.
Keith, were you the columbia guy? Colby, I think?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:40 am“What I want to know is how any intelligent person can defend responding to Michael. If you respond to that drivel, you are an idiot yourself. Sorry
Comment by s — April 11, 2007″
Very easy thing to say but it might be a bit harder to explain your stupid comment?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:40 amAnd I have been challenged to respond to this childish debate many times and zooey I don’t understand who you think you are impressing with such a childish challenge? Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Childish challenges are all you make, coward boy.
Let’s talk about something that you cowards on the left disagree with us patriots on the right? Tell us why you would “cut and run�Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:38 am
What would a right wing nazi Christo/Judeo Fascist know about patriotism? You’d flush this country down the toilet in a heartbeat for your own self interests. Coward.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:41 amDo you not know that the exit polls said Kerry won by 3.0% and yet the official version was that Bush won by 2.6%?
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 1:27 am
April 11th, 2007 at 1:41 amVery easy thing to say but it might be a bit harder to explain your stupid comment? Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:40 am
You always say the funniest things about your own st*pidity! Just ask yourself questions, and stop annoying the grownups – cowardly child.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:42 amTell us why you would “cut and run�
Comment by michael
I think you mean why should Bush cut and run?
Cause Ronnie Raygun did it in Beirut and cause Bush Sr. did it in Gulf 1. And we know how much you admire Raygun for cutting and running from Beirut Michael.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:43 am“Oh for heaven’s sake, leave me alone, you sick f*ck.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007″
This is probably the 15th time zooey has run from me!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:43 amNo, Colby and someone else was Columbia.
Columbia actually was #3 in sociology. Berkeley#1, Chicago#2, and UNC-CH #4.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:44 amZooey,
And then stonehinge and Hu began attacking as being pro-war. They couldn’t comprehend what I was saying.
Comment by keith
Keith,
I went back and looked at that thread. I was long gone by that time. Thanks for your kindness. :-)
April 11th, 2007 at 1:44 am“Respond to #97.
I swear it takes TP 8 minutes to put mine up.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007″
Sure, if you have something to back it up?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:44 amzoo, in the past month that we have been jostling with each other I don’t recall one intelligent comment from you. Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:58 am
You’ve clearly established you’re incapable of learning, or recalling anything of relevance. Just because you can’t recall it, doesn’t prove your theory. It just shows you’re st*pid.
Whenever you do take a shot at me I feel like I’m defending myself against my 13 year old step daughter because, believe me, you are not as smart as she is. Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Yes, but unlike Zooey, she has to worry about your late night sexual advances. Zooey is in the better position. Sicko.
Better get out of that public school and get a serious education but somehow I don’t thing you qualify intellectually! Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Says the retarded old *sshole that can’t spell, can’t use standard grammar, and can’t debate any better than a kindergarten brat. Your parents raised an ill mannered little piece of sh*t. I pity your poor daughter – you idiot.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:45 amThis is probably the 15th time zooey has run from me!
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:43 am
But unlike your daughter, she can get away from your *advances*.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:46 am“Just ask yourself questions, and stop annoying the grownups – cowardly child.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus ”
What questions?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:46 amDid Ford cut and run from Vietnam? Did Eisenhower from Korea?
The Dems position is actually to the right of the American people. The Dems position is the same as many generals and the Iraq Study Group.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:46 amSure, if you have something to back it up?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:44 am
Says the mentally ill *child* that never backs anything up. Loser.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:46 amYou can find everything Michael does/says here:
Michael is here to disrupt…that is all he is here for.
Michael is a wonder boy for the Republican party, those Republicans that do come here take one look at his lack of debating skills and his dullard posts and then leave wondering WTF did I join the Republican party for??
April 11th, 2007 at 1:47 amHeh.
And I have been challenged to respond to this childish debate many times and zooey I don’t understand who you think you are impressing with such a childish challenge? Let’s talk about something that you cowards on the left disagree with us patriots on the right? Tell us why you would “cut and run�
Comment by michael
This is probably the 15th time zooey has run from me!
Comment by michael
You are such a despicable liar, Michael.
You left the topic entirely up to me, and when I chose a topic you didn’t like, you started running away.
You always run, Michael, not me.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:48 am“Says the retarded old *sshole that can’t spell, can’t use standard grammar, and can’t debate any better than a kindergarten brat. Your parents raised an ill mannered little piece of sh*t. I pity your poor daughter – you idiot.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus ”
Really? Challenge me if you think you can?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:49 amMany public schools are excellent and many charter/private/religious schools are unbelieveably poor.
It is a conservative myth that if it is public it is poor.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:49 amThis is probably the 15th time zooey has run from me!
Comment by michael
Zooey is a mother with two sons Michael she’s not running from your posts she’s leaving because your being a creepy little stalker. Would you want some guy stalking your wife over the internet?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:49 am“Just ask yourself questions, and stop annoying the grownups – cowardly child.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus â€
What questions?
Comment by michael
That is the funniest thing I’ve read all night.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:51 amDo you disagree that the exit polls said Kerry won by 3.0% and the official version is Bush won by 2.6%?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:51 amKeith & Zep,
Do you see what I mean about Michael, the Master Debater?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:53 amHe conveniently does not notice your debate topics.
He’ll be gone soon.
What questions?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:53 am“You left the topic entirely up to me, and when I chose a topic you didn’t like, you started running away.
You always run, Michael, not me.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007″
Yes I left the topic totally up to you but I thought you were a grownup who could discuss things intelligently. I was wrong. You are nothing but a child who doesn’t have a clue about politics and world events. If you think you do, challenge me on a relevant topic? If you have the courage? You don’t!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:54 amI am new here. I was a Republican until two years ago, I am now a registered libertarian. I seek good discussion. I will try to use logic in my statements and will back up facts or assertions with links. Thanks in advance for all your replies and debates.
Oh, and michael, you shouldn’t call people stupid. Speaking as a new and neutral person, you are not coming across as very intelligent. I do realize that you are being picked on, but you seem to bring it on yourself. Like the kid in school who was always picked on and would run home as fast as he could to avoid everyone.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:55 amWhat questions?
Comment by michael
That is the funniest thing I’ve read all night.
Comment by Zooey
Sad little bugger isn’t he? michael the only reasom I’m even answering you is because this thread is pretty much dead.
Notice he won’t
debatequestion with me Zooey?Heh.
Michael what happened to Roves numbers?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:55 amZooey is a mother with two sons Michael she’s not running from your posts she’s leaving because your being a creepy little stalker. Would you want some guy stalking your wife over the internet?
Comment by Zep Tepi
Thank you, Zep. You are a fine man. I’m out of here for the evening. Have a lovely visit with your mom and stop-dad.
Goodnight. :-)
April 11th, 2007 at 1:55 amYeh Zooey, he conveniently ignores my points. Sad little bugger.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:57 amSWINDLERS
April 11th, 2007 at 1:57 amFRAUDSTERS
HOODLUMS
ENOUGH
TO
MAKE
YOU
PUKE
Michael, for starters, you could read this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked/print
April 11th, 2007 at 1:57 amGN Z, good luck on your geology test.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:58 amYes I left the topic totally up to you but I thought you were a grownup who could discuss things intelligently. Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:54 am
And yet it is you that’s not grownup enough to discuss.
I was wrong. Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:54 am
You’re always wrong about relevant matters, but you’re too st*pid to know it.
You are nothing but a child who doesn’t have a clue about politics and world events. Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:54 am
Another perfect projection, from the *boy-wonder* of st*pidity.
If you think you do, challenge me on a relevant topic? If you have the courage? You don’t! Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:54 am
We’ve ALL challenged you, and defeated you. Now, you’re just like the last bit of sh*t that won’t come off on the toilet paper. You’re only useful to the compost heap – dum bass.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:59 am“Zooey is a mother with two sons Michael she’s not running from your posts she’s leaving because your being a creepy little stalker. Would you want some guy stalking your wife over the internet?
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 11, 2007″
Believe me, I am not stalking her, I’m just displaying for all how afraid she is to debate me on ANY SUBJECT and how she conveniently runs away! It’s obvious! Everybody sees it. She shames you liberals!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:59 amThat is the funniest thing I’ve read all night.
Comment by Zooey — April 11, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Yeah, watching michael make a fool, then being too foolish to recognize he’s the fool is quite funny! Sounds like a head drop as a *fetus* to me ;)
April 11th, 2007 at 2:00 amReally? Challenge me if you think you can?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:49 am
Sorry, but when you’ve failed to answer my challenges as many times as I’ve asked – at this point I just declare *victory* for the debate you’ll never engage. I use to think you’re stubborn, but now I KNOW it’s because you’re really just a scare little boy, that’s too sniveling and st*pid to be capable of acting like a man.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:01 amI do realize that you are being picked on -PonyDriver
Naw, he enjoys asking endless question PD. Just do a google search for michael thingprogress.org and you will see he’s been doing the same thing for a while. =)
April 11th, 2007 at 2:01 amDo you disagree that the exit polls said Kerry won by 3.0% and the official version is Bush won by 2.6%?
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 1:51 am
April 11th, 2007 at 2:02 amBelieve me, I am not stalking her, I’m just displaying for all how afraid she is to debate me on ANY SUBJECT and how she conveniently runs away! It’s obvious! Everybody sees it. She shames you liberals!
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 1:59 am
The ONLY thing you ever display, is how st*pid, and ignorant you are michael. Zooey shames no one BUT YOU! How funny, it’s obvious to EVERYONE, but YOU!!! You’re the BUTTTTT of your own jokes – sh*thead! BAHAHAHA
April 11th, 2007 at 2:02 ammichael, watch out, it’s msnbc to catch a predator, and they have YOUR IP ADDRESS! coward.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:03 amThe studies done saying the elections were stolen by the machine count are highly empirical. When you ask over 70,000 people who have just voted “who did you just vote for?â€, it is totally impossible for your results to off by a full 3%.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Unless, of course, the people think it’s none of your business who they voted for and they lie to mess with you. Have you never conducted polls? Are you unaware how many people detest being bothered by those whose lives revovle around party politics? I can tell you from experience that many, many people vote out of a sense of duty and never feel really confident that they have voted for a good candidate rather than the lesser of two evils. And those people hate being asked about the vote that they just cast.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:04 amShe shames you liberals!
Comment by michael
When a women asks you to leave her alone Michael just do it.
Is that hard to understand?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:04 am“Oh, and michael, you shouldn’t call people stupid. Speaking as a new and neutral person, you are not coming across as very intelligent. I do realize that you are being picked on, but you seem to bring it on yourself. Like the kid in school who was always picked on and would run home as fast as he could to avoid everyone.
Comment by PonyDriver — April 11, 2007″
You’re new here and haven’t had to experience certain comments from some of these liberals. Zooey is a person with a 6th grade mentality trying to debate grownups. Her insults will be met with mine in return. This has been going on for a month. I have been trying to get her to debate intelligently with no hope, she’s a dope so that is how she will be treated! Good night!
April 11th, 2007 at 2:07 amBelieve me, I am not stalking her, I’m just displaying for all how afraid she is to debate me on ANY SUBJECT
Michael, good lord man, we all recognize your non-debating question mark style. Try a different tactic. You have been given many subjects to debate over by many people on this thread. Did you ever stop to think that maybe if you debated on a subject she would, if she wanted to, take part?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:07 am“The ONLY thing you ever display, is how st*pid, and ignorant you are michael. Zooey shames no one BUT YOU! How funny, it’s obvious to EVERYONE, but YOU!!! You’re the BUTTTTT of your own jokes – sh*thead! BAHAHAHA
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus ”
Really? Want to provide an example? DID I BACK YOU INTO A CORNER?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:09 am#91
Do you not know that the exit polls said Kerry won by 3.0% and yet the official version was that Bush won by 2.6%?
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 1:27 am
April 11th, 2007 at 2:09 am“Michael, good lord man, we all recognize your non-debating question mark style. Try a different tactic. You have been given many subjects to debate over by many people on this thread. Did you ever stop to think that maybe if you debated on a subject she would, if she wanted to, take part?
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 11, 2007″
NAME ONE?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:10 amDo you disagree that the exit polls said Kerry won by 3.0% and the official version is Bush won by 2.6%?
Comment by keith
The exit polls before then were a fairly accurate indicator of who the winner would be. And yes I’m sure some people don’t like exit polls but they were fairly accurate even then.
The problem today is with the Diebold machines which are based on Windows CE, and as with Windows many security holes exist. Diebold also went with a closed source software to supposedly prevent hacking, but Windows is a closed source system written in C++ which is not secure (as Java would be)
Australia uses an open source code software for their votiing machines. Open source software has proven to be more secure than closed source software.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:13 amNAME ONE?
Comment by michael
Scroll back and read one. You talked about cut and run, correct?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:15 amPeople do not lie after voting just to mess with the pollsters. The science of polling was getting more and more refined not just in the US, but all over the world. They were accurate with 0.2%. And then electronic machines with no paper trail from pro-Republican corporations happened and they started being off by a full 3.0%.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:15 amExcellent, highly scientific, studies say it is totally impossible for exit polls to be off by as much and also in the way) as they were allegedly off in 2004.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:18 am“Scroll back and read one. You talked about cut and run, correct?
Comment by Zep Tepi — April 11, 2007″
Yes I did talk about cut and run by the liberal cowards, so what?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:18 amAs I recall Michael, Bush said we would stand down as they (Iraqis) stand up. Isn’t that then a form of redeployment? And isn’t redeployment just a euphemism for cut and run?
Not to mention Sam Bodman stated that we should follow the suggestion of the Baker Hamilton group and keep troops in Iraq until the oil (Hydrocarbon) law was signed and when Oil companies began to be able to operate in Iraq. IE they were not worried about security as they were the oil law. If that’s so Michael then as soon as the oil law is signed we should, according to Bakler Hamilton start removing our troops.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:21 amDid Ford cut and run from Vietnam? Did Eisenhower from Korea?
The Dems position is actually to the right of the American people. The Dems position is the same as many generals and the Iraq Study Group.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 1:46 am
April 11th, 2007 at 2:22 amYes I did talk about cut and run by the liberal cowards,
It has nothing to do with ‘liberal cowards’ michael. See, the first little debate you get into you repeat some gibberish some pundit spewed.
I thought you had red the Iraq Study groups suggestions on Iraq and were up to date on the oil law?Are you up to date on Kirkuk?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:24 amYou’re new here and haven’t had to experience certain comments from some of these liberals. Zooey is a person with a 6th grade mentality trying to debate grownups. Her insults will be met with mine in return. This has been going on for a month. I have been trying to get her to debate intelligently with no hope, she’s a dope so that is how she will be treated! Good night! Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 2:07 am
How would a kindergarten idiot like you know what a 6th grade mentality is? Just because you’re a semi-literate t*rd with the grammar of an inbred trailer trash idiot, doesn’t make you an *expert* on anything, grandpa.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:25 amYes I did talk about cut and run by the liberal cowards, so what?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 2:18 am
You mean like Awol Bush, or Anal Cyst limbaugh, or Deferment coward Cheney, or were you talking about your OWN cowardly where you wouldn’t go to Vietnam, yet you slandered those that did? Sounds like you’re an EXPERT on cowardice, being such a fine example yourself. No wonder all you can do is see it in others!
April 11th, 2007 at 2:26 amSince Iraq did nothing to the US, why is it “cowardly” to be opposed to waging war against them?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:26 amid Ford cut and run from Vietnam? Did Eisenhower from Korea?
The Dems position is actually to the right of the American people. The Dems position is the same as many generals and the Iraq Study Group.
Unfortunately I agree, The democrats are to the right of the majority of American citizens.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:26 amReally? Want to provide an example? DID I BACK YOU INTO A CORNER?Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Really? You need another example? DID I BACK YOU INTO A CORNER?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:27 amNAME ONE?
Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 2:10 am
You. She already debated that you can’t debate, but you were too st*pid and inept to prove that you could. Game, set, match, michael loses yet again.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:27 amThe simplest way to ignore Trolls, whose paid or self-appointed job is to sabotage discussons on important topic, is to Just Ignore Them.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:29 amHer insults will be met with mine in return. This has been going on for a month. -Michael
I answered your cut and run statement and the first thimg YOU did was to make an insulting, and non factual, remark that a no minded pundit parrot would.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:30 amThe American people want ALL US troops out within a year.
The Dems just say “combat troops” —which could leave 50,000 there.
Unless we stay forever, any right-winger can say “defeatist cutandrun”.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:31 amMichael, for way over an hour I have been trying to engage in a civil debate over the topic of the thread—stealing elections.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:33 amyeah like how Bush cut and run from Tora Bora and outsourced the capture of Bin Laden to the Afghans…we all know how that went…right? Isn’t Bin Laden awaiting trial? oh wait never mind…so Publicans should look at their own faults before accusing others of cutting and running…
Running away from one’s problems, sounds like what the Publicans do…can’t find Bin Laden, then claim he is insignificant and should be ignored, instead of being brought to justice…war not going well? blame it on anti-war protesters and “ungrateful” Iraqis…
it must be sad to be an authoritarian-minded follower…who cannot see past the lies and spin their false idols bestow upon them…it must be sad to be an authoritarian follower who accepts without thinking what he/she is told…it must be sad knowing that you’ll accept both what the Bush Administration said a few days ago and another talking point that contradicts what they said a few days ago all at once, without wondering why they can’t get their talking points straight…
April 11th, 2007 at 2:33 amAnyone read this article yet on the Theocrats?
http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?pid=1279
It’s from 2003, and it talks about the society of theocrats that are working diligently to control and undermine our secular way of life. Pretty chilling and creepy stuff. It’s the sort of j*ck*ss idiots one can easily imagining michael belonging to when he grows up, and gets out of primary school…
April 11th, 2007 at 2:33 amPeople do not lie after voting just to mess with the pollsters. The science of polling was getting more and more refined not just in the US, but all over the world. They were accurate with 0.2%. And then electronic machines with no paper trail from pro-Republican corporations happened and they started being off by a full 3.0%.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Research that several of my statistics classes conducted a couple of years ago show that many people do lie in exit polls and they admitted that they do mainly for the reason that I stated. They don’t think it’s anyone else’s business who they voted for and they resent being bothered. Many of them even point out that we vote by secret ballot so that everyone doesn’t know for whom they voted.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:34 amGood night! Comment by michael — April 11, 2007 @ 2:07 am
And thats why we ‘pick’ on michael Keith. Hes a troll. A regurgitator of Anne Coulters inane talking points. He is incapable of debate outside the cone of light reflecting from the sparkle box on the concrete walls of his mothers basement.
Then he runs off when he can’t actually debate =)
April 11th, 2007 at 2:34 amThe simplest way to ignore Trolls, whose paid or self-appointed job is to sabotage discussons on important topic, is to Just Ignore Them.Comment by OutSourced — April 11, 2007 @ 2:29 am
Or trash them and their arguments. You can use your tactic, I will use mine. You can always start your own blog, and do like the wingnut GOP sites and just ban dissent.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:35 amResearch that several of my statistics classes conducted a couple of years ago show that many people do lie in exit polls and they admitted that they do mainly for the reason that I stated. Comment by CC — April 11, 2007 @ 2:34 am
So why would they be honest with you *a-pollster* and dishonest with other pollsters?
That’s a j*ck*ss claim one expects from a right wing partisan idiot. It’s also illogical, and outright dishonest. I call liar.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:37 amCC,
did you do a scientific sampling of over 70,000—weighing every sociological variable—and then have a very empirical question be off by a full 3.0%?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:38 amIt’s quite disappointing to see people that are pretty intellegent talking to Michael. It’s derpressing really. He/it is a total waste of time……….and by talking to it, you allow the post to turn to crap
April 11th, 2007 at 2:39 amCC,
Don’t think that you can easily think of something that the top social researchers in the country cannot think of.
It won’t be true.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:39 amThe Dems just say “combat troops†—which could leave 50,000 there
True, but we did build permanent bases they could easily defend and those bases will likely defend the oil companies interests.
Economic security (sadly) is now seen as national security.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:39 amExit polls were not off at random. They were sometimes accurate within 0.2%.
But when it came to presidential race, swing states, and no paper trail—they shot up to unbelieveable “errors”.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:41 amZep,
We didn’t build 14 permanent bases and an embassy larger than Vatican City for nothing.
If we can’t control the oil through puppets, we’ll control it ourselves.
That’s the way it has been with the past 100 US invasions.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:44 amBut when it came to presidential race, swing states, and no paper trail—they shot up to unbelieveable “errorsâ€.
Comment by keith — April 11, 2007 @ 2:41 am
And those errors invariably favored Bush. hmmm, maybe there was “voter fraud” after all….
April 11th, 2007 at 2:44 amCC,
The “shy Republicans” theory was tested against the evidence and the OPPOSITE was found to be slightly true. Still, the “liberal media” reported it as true.
Try this for starters:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked/print
April 11th, 2007 at 2:46 amBnF,
Yes, in about 100% of the “glitches”, they went in Bush’s favor.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:47 amZep, We didn’t build 14 permanent bases and an embassy larger than Vatican City for nothing. If we can’t control the oil through puppets, we’ll control it ourselves. That’s the way it has been with the past 100 US invasions. Comment by keith
Indeed. The trolls we get here however can’t seem to get that thru their heads. It is not so much about terrorism as it is about resources.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:51 amThe exit poll discrepancy study headed by Steven Freeman is the most well-known:
http://www.truthout.org/unexplainedexitpoll.pdf
April 11th, 2007 at 2:51 amBnF, Yes, in about 100% of the “glitchesâ€, they went in Bush’s favor.
Comment by keith
Such was my post, above, in favor for open source non windows based voting machines.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:53 amAnd those errors invariably favored Bush. hmmm, maybe there was “voter fraud†after all….
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — April 11, 2007 @ 2:44 am
So, you must agree that we need a voter ID to prevent fraud.
Anyone read this article yet on the Theocrats?
http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?pid=1279
It’s from 2003, and it talks about the society of theocrats that are working diligently to control and undermine our secular way of life. Pretty chilling and creepy stuff. It’s the sort of j*ck*ss idiots one can easily imagining michael belonging to when he grows up, and gets out of primary school…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 11, 2007 @ 2:33 am
Your secular way of life is in no danger. Check Revelation to see how it ends, though.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:53 amThis is also very fascinating. Apparently, thou shalt not disparage the troll named Michael.
I poked some light-hearted fun at his supposed Alma Mater, a very prestigeous college in Malibu. (State University California Malibu-Adjacent?)
The post never showed. So, this time, without a link?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:54 amIf it was about terrorism, we would have invaded Pakistan. If it was about oil, we would invade Iraq—-oh wait, we did!
April 11th, 2007 at 2:54 amZep,
yes, from what I’ve read there should be open source. I know nothing of programming, however.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:56 amCC,
You are acting like you are scientific. You are even teaching statistics. Yet you assume Revelations is true. You have revealed your bias.
Some of the founders of voting machine corps have hopes of the US becoming a theocracy.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:00 amComment by CC — April 11, 2007 @ 2:53 am
DO NOT PRESUME TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!
I agree that we need to have accountability over the government’s running of the process. Lately we have had Republican Secretaries of State also serving as Republican Campaign Managers and using electronic machines built by Republican Manufactures, machines which have no way of verifying their accuracy.
I would say that those facts pose a greater risk of “voter fraud” then presuming a poor person who stands in line over 6 hours at a stretch is going to vote multiple times.
Instead of having voters produce ID’s, why don’t we use the Iraqi system and use purple dye. Only, to reflect our current sad state of affairs, I suggest using the finger next to the index finger instead.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:02 amThe Chalcedon Foundation wants the US to be a theocracy. From MotherJones mag:
….two heavy contributors to the Chalcedon Foundation—Reconstruction’s main think tank—are Howard Ahmanson and Nelson Bunker Hunt, both of whose families played key roles in financing electronic voting machine manufacturer Election Systems & Software.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:05 amYou can interpret Revelations correctly? If so, you’re the first. Please enlighten us.
For starters, is the book literal, or figurative?
April 11th, 2007 at 3:07 amZep, yes, from what I’ve read there should be open source. I know nothing of programming, however.
Comment by keith
I just got into as a hobby years ago and am not very good at it as writing code in C++ is boring (to me (I could never sit in a cubicle for months on end doing it))
But I did learn enough to build a database for a company I worked for and do some IT work and computer repair.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:08 amSince some in democratic precincts in Cleveland had to wait over twelve hours to vote—it would be kind of difficult to vote twice.
Republican precincts had too many machines and no trouble voting.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:08 amCheck Revelation to see how it ends, though.
Comment by CC
Isn’t that the comet or star called wormwood that plows into the earth?
April 11th, 2007 at 3:09 amThe examination of some voting machines in Pennsylvania concluded that they were not only “hackable”, but that they MUST have been made to be hackable.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:12 amRevelations also says that David Copperfield will burn in hell forever.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:14 amThe examination of some voting machines in Pennsylvania concluded that they were not only “hackableâ€, but that they MUST have been made to be hackable.
Comment by keith
Indeed, They had open IR (infrared ports) and were very poorly designed.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:19 amitpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/
here is the princeton study on the accuvote ts.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:22 amActually I think revelatiion talked about Gog and Magog.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:24 amI went through a very legitimate high school taught by the Irish Christian Brothers. How about you?
Comment by michael
Many public schools are excellent and many charter/private/religious schools are unbelieveably poor.
It is a conservative myth that if it is public it is poor.
Comment by keith
Yes, Keith, trolls like michael and verminvenus like to disparage public education. However, after I pointed out to Mikey that my public high school has produced a Nobel Laureate in Physics, a former Secretary of State, a Newbery Medalist, and at least one Pulitizer Prize winner and asked what illustrious people graduated from his oh-so-superior private school education, he fell silent. Well over a month has passed since I first questioned him and I’ve asked on some subsequent posts, too, but still no answer.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:27 amIn the meantime, while looking down on public education, VV will then call people like myself and Prof. Colby (on another thread) with Ivy League connections “elitist.” It seems that to the trolls the second tier and below private schools are the best.
Your secular way of life is in no danger. Check Revelation to see how it ends, though. Comment by CC — April 11, 2007 @ 2:53 am
BAHAHAHA, if you believe revelation is *accurate*, then you must believe the earth is FLAT and is only 8000 years old! You right wing nut religious freaks are SOOOO FUNNNYYYYYYY!!!!!
I think you’re just as likely to get HOW IT ENDS from a meth addled lunatic that sees aliens as that BIZARRE, CRYPTIC, CONTRADICTORY and ST*PID story you call revelation.
You also do realize that story was a *metaphor* for the attacks on a very real ROME at the time – and has NOTHING to do with THIS modern world. Right? Oh wait, sorry, I’m correct your religious fantasies with historical context. Don’t mean to bring REALITY into another delusional FANTASY…
Dum bass.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:34 amCC, the troll that claims to believe in the bible, while he/she comes here and ‘bears false witness’… Looks like we have another Hagard Republican with us. They believe in religious values for others only! Idiot.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:36 amVV will then call people like myself and Prof. Colby (on another thread) with Ivy League connections “elitist.†It seems that to the trolls the second tier and below private schools are the best.
Comment by Lora — April 11, 2007 @ 3:27 am
What I find irionic is that often people refer to the liberal eastern establishment from where George hails but the michaels embrace George as some resurrection of Christ that speaks to God when he is an Ivey Leaguer. Falwell even calls Harvard liberal yet cottons up to Liberal Bush. Odd.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:40 amResearch that several of my statistics classes conducted a couple of years ago show that many people do lie in exit polls and they admitted that they do mainly for the reason that I stated.
oohh what did your community college Statistics 101 class in Butfook, Arkansas teach you oh wise one? For the phenomena you discuss to incorrectly skewer the results to indicate a democratic win, that would imply that republicans lie more than democrats. Is that what you are asserting?
oh and can you please explain why exit polls, if they are so innacurate, have been used to accurately determine election winners for so long? and can you also please explain why 2004 was the FIRST time the umbrella company that conducts exit polls felt the need to publish a paper on the supposed reasons the exit polls were wrong? was 2004 the first time people decided to get irritated by nosy pollsters? it must be something in the water…
http://verifiedvoting.org/downloads/Exit_Polls_2004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/3/prweb222958.htm
April 11th, 2007 at 7:41 amWhy are none of these alterations prosecuted as crimes. I would see no issue with the administration issuing a cover letter outlining what they think are objectionable claims in the report but the report itself should be left alone. Pluse we have seen this same pattern used over and over again.
Just think if drug companies were allowed to alter the data in their clinical studies in order to get FDA approval. Same thing.
Yesterday it was also revealed that the Defense Department photo shopped pictures of the anti-American demonstrations in Najaf, Iraq to make the crowd look about 1/5 the size it actually was. Defense Secretary Gates has some ’splaining to do.
As this pattern of altering data grows ever wider it calls into question whether other data is being altered and we just don’t yet know about it. Data, for instance, on the economy as nothing seems to be off-limits.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:41 amJust another example of Bush changing the rules when he’s losing the game.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:43 amData on the true state of the economy seems be be simply ignored.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:48 amThe money being poured into the black hole of Iraq and Afghanistan is piling up the deficit at a phenomenal rate.
There are freezes on many domestic spending budgets across the country.
Instead of investigating the miniscule amount of individual voter fraud, let’s get to the real “meat and potatoes” of the election situation instead of being scammed into believing that our election machinery is not flawed in itself. Let’s get to the bottom of the hacked machines. Let’s get to the bottom of the two “stolen elections” and the responsible parties. Let’s have a look-see into Jeb Bush & Katherine Harris and their co-conspirators in the 2000 election which robbed Al Gore of the presidency. Let’s look at how this same gang of criminals hacked into the Ohio Diebold machinery….with the help of Ken Blackwell, head of Bush/Cheney04 while serving as Ohio’s State Sup. of Elections….a bit of a “conflict of interest”?? I’d say it was a clear “set up” for collusion and conspiracy to violate people’s constitutional right to vote.
Now that’s the real “voter fraud” which needs to be investigated and not the “smokescreen issue” which this set of circumstances is being ginned up to obscure the real problem from the people.
Our voting machines definitely ARE NOT safe! Our voting machines are proven to be hackable and have been hacked. We cannot go into the election of 08 with blinders on, folks.
Do your homework and get the facts. Become informed. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org to see what the Harri Hursti Hack proved. Watch the new HBO documentary entitled: “Hacking Democracy”. Google up some of the pertinent experiments, known testimony from people asked by the GOP (specifically Jeb) to hack machines…it’s all out there.
Before anyone stands on long lines in 08, we need to press this congress for complete and unequivocal election reform in the shape of returned (for full restitution) machinery to Diebold, E S & S, and Sequoia and a demand for paper trail voting which does NOT go through an Opti-Scanner which is a farce because the Opti Scanner has software in it which is hackable as well.
Sometimes regression (back to hand-counted paper ballots) is not a bad thing! And, in this case, it’s beginning to look like “the only thing” left to secure the integrity of our voting system and the vote of each individual.
Be not sidetracked by discussion of petty voter fraud; the much larger issue is STILL (after all these years) our hackable and already-hacked voting machinery.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:51 amOf course, we probably cannot afford to revamp our election system because it costs money and we’re going bankrupt….Iraq = The Giant Hole Into Which We Are Pouring Our Money which will ultimately tank this country.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:53 amAlso go to http://www.bradblog.com for a daily update on the massive amount of yet-unresolved hardware problems with this machinery, the documentation of voting machine fraud, etc. It’s all there. If you can read, you need to do this before wasting your time standing on lines to vote in 08! Cynically, the winner of 08 may be the one who puts the hack in last….hahaha!
April 11th, 2007 at 8:56 amAnd we all know what happened when we went to bed in 2000 believing that Al Gore was our next President – He did win the popular vote, as we all know. Well, in Florida, the worker bees went to work while we all slept and even rigged the exit polls so they would be consistent with the stolen election in Florida. Now it happens in Ohio that election workers have given testimony and have been indicted for rigging the hardware so things are dribbling out, slowly but surely….there’s so much more to come on this.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:59 amLinda Lamone, Maryland’s State Sup. of Elections, may have to put her money where her mouth is in that Maryland has banned the use of non-paper trail voting hardware. Lamone stated that they would return to paper ballots “over her dead body”….well, Linda….??
April 11th, 2007 at 9:02 amNot surprising, as Maryland has become little more than a bedroom community for Washington………
April 11th, 2007 at 9:07 ammichael: “hey somebody fight me!”
zooey, keith, etc.: “ok.”
michael: “……..hey you all are weak cause you won’t challenge me!”
zooey, keith, etc.: “consider yourself challenged.”
michael: “……..can no one stand up to my infallible logic?”
zooey, keith, etc.: “uh, you haven’t said anything”
ad nauseum.
hey zooey, keith, i like you guys, but this is getting old. let the boy play in his sandbox and leave him be.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:50 am“Really? Maybe you can tell us what you learned in your 6th grade political correctness class today?”
What exactly does “political correctness” have to do with the Republics stealing elections by hacking voting machines and rigging the results? How many times can a poll show a Democrat ahead by 4% and then the Republic wins by 4%. If you don’t believe there is a problem here, go to blackboxvoting.org and be prepared to be horrified at what we have done to our voting system. Thomm Hartman has it right when he says that the day privatize our system of voting is the day we lose democracy (or something close to that).
I wonder how many people know that Canada instituted a system for voting on a computer and very quickly saw the error of their ways and went back to paper ballots.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:34 amIf they’re going to investigate voter fraud, start with the no-paper trail machines that can be hacked by a 10-year old computer wiz.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:16 amhey zooey, keith, i like you guys, but this is getting old. let the boy play in his sandbox and leave him be.
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