PBS’s Gwen Ifill speaks out on Imus.
PBS’s Gwen Ifill speaks out on Imus.
Ifill, whom Don Imus once called a “cleaning lady cover[ing] the White House,” writes in the New York Times:
Every time a young black girl shyly approaches me for an autograph or writes or calls or stops me on the street to ask how she can become a journalist, I feel an enormous responsibility. It’s more than simply being a role model. I know I have to be a voice for them as well.
So here’s what this voice has to say for people who cannot grasp the notion of picking on people their own size: This country will only flourish once we consistently learn to applaud and encourage the young people who have to work harder just to achieve balance on the unequal playing field.
Let’s see if we can manage to build them up and reward them, rather than opting for the cheapest, easiest, most despicable shots.
UPDATE: Al Roker: “It’s time for [Imus] to go.“
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Gwen is one classy lady. Take note : Ann Coulter.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:46 amImus makes a living being rude. He was making a joke about how tough the girls looked. it wasnt racially motivated. This has all been blown out of proportion. the wannabes vs the jiggaboos is from spike lee. We all need to take a deep breath and grow up a little. If the PC police have their way we will be the most humorless nation in the world.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:52 amyup – Gwen is classy; but Imus does a damn good job as well. The media needs to move on and back the hell off of him & let him do his job. In reality, nobody cares what he said.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:52 amIt’s long overdue for networks to discipline their media personalities for insulting and degrading comments.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:53 amA simple two week suspension doesn’t go far enough.
I guess you make a living being rude, too?
April 10th, 2007 at 9:53 amalso can you name one single other broadcaster with 10,000,000 listerners thats said “Bush and CHeney should be hung for war crimes” on air?
April 10th, 2007 at 9:54 amGwen Ifill will be a credible journalist as soon as she stops having private dinners with Condi Rice. She’s too chummy with the people of whom it is her job to be critical.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:55 amGWEN IFILL–ONE HELL OF A CLASSY LADY AND A CLASS ACT—-CondomLesser Rice, TAKE NOTE, RATHER COPIOUS NOTES ON HOW TO BE A ROLE MODEL AND NOT A JABBERING VENTRILOQUIST’S DUMMY FOR Bushland Uber Allies!!!!! THE ONLY CLEANING GWEN DID WAS Imus’ CLOCK WITH HER ELEGANCE, CLASSINESS AND SHEER PRESENCE!!!!! HAH!!!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 9:57 amgwen’s certainly taking the high road here, which is surely the most effective way to skewer a guy like imus. still, it isn’t quite fair to compare the rutgers team to shy young black girls. women’s hoops at the top of the ncaa is big business, not quite as professional and rough as the men’s side, but still, moving in that direction. as darlings of the new york media (scrappy underdogs) you’d think they’d be able to better cope with whatever gratuitous insults come their way. lord knows, it isn’t as if tennessee’s pat summit hasn’t taken her share of abuse (vicious bitch, etc) along with the living legend reputation she’s built over the years.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:58 amGwen has sold us all down the river by shilling for the right for the past 6 years. All of the so called PBS and NPR journalists should be very proud of the fine job they all have done in cheerleading the neo-cons as they totally destroy American democracy. Edward R Murrow would be very proud of your courage Gwen.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:00 am“If the PC police have their way we will be the most humorless nation in the world.”
1- if you can’t be funny without insulting someone else, someone who has less power than you do, you’re not funny, you’re a bully.
2-Quit hiding behind the “PC police” chliche, unless you defended Bill Mahar when he said the 9-11 hijackers were many things, but they wern’t cowards.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:01 amIt tells me something that the cript keeper (Imus) feels he should apoligize.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:02 amKABOOM!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 10:03 ami sometimes suspect that the biggest audience of people like imus, coulter, etc. are the very people offended by their, how should i say, stupid comments. i say just ignore them and eventually their sponsors will stop funding them. really, could you imagine the look on ann coulter’s face if she called john edwards a faggot and there was nary a peep from any blog or news site? how long do you think it would take her fans to figure out she’s marginalized? okay, maybe not her fans, but everyone else.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:04 amI, too, believe that this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. I think the two week suspension is fine. Think of Imus’s audience. Is it really a group that will care that he said “nappy-headed hos”? I doubt it, if only that his listeners gotta be about 180 yrs old. Is Imus really appealing to anyone under the age of 40? I know his excuse is that his show is a ‘comedy’ show, but that doesn’t hold because he’s not funny, nor are all the other water-carriers in his production. Who cares what this guys says? I just can’t imagine he has a big audience. I’ve listened to him several times and every time he speaks it’s all about how great Don Imus is. I don’t see it. The guy sucks. Who cares. And Jesse Jackson and Al Sharton are the types of guys that will blow things out of proportion for the media coverage about issues they care about. It’s the same with the NRA. Is the government going to take this liberal redneck’s shotgun away because there’s a desire to keep handguns off the streets of the nation’s capitol? No, but the NRA doesn’t want me to think that. Sharpton and Jackson use the same playbook. Imus is past his prime. Who cares…
April 10th, 2007 at 10:05 ambob (not the hacker),
Right on, nicely put!
April 10th, 2007 at 10:05 amIfill’s response to Imus was classy and sharp-witted. I like that in a girl. The cozy dinners with Condi are concerning, though.
Why so much focus on Imus on this thread? Have I missed something?
April 10th, 2007 at 10:09 am“as darlings of the new york media (scrappy underdogs)”
while i applaud your attempt at fusing repub talking points ["the media's to blame" + "northeastern elitists"], you’re obviously not from around the ny metro area if you think that this [or any] rutgers team were the “darlings of the new york media.” and because someone’s from newark means you should be able to call them names? dumb.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:11 amI-mus be kwazy….
April 10th, 2007 at 10:13 ami love her! Most definatley one of my idols
April 10th, 2007 at 10:13 am“Blown out of proportion?” I don’t think so. In this particular case Imus and his producer didn’t insult public figures, people who promote themselves either to further a particular agenda or their own careers. They insulted a group of teenagers who came to the attention of the public only because they were outstanding student athletes. For those who believe that Imus’ comments should be ignored or chalked up to his First Amendment right to express bad taste, try putting yourself in the place of an 18 y/o female basketball player trying to maintain her academic standing in the face of a demanding athletic schedule across both semesters. Imus deserves every bit of condemnation he has received. And more.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:14 amI don’t believe in censorship in any form so I don’t agree with Sharpton, Jackson, et al. Speech is supposed to be free, not sane or enlightening. Let the market take care of Imus. On another note though, how can the FCC fine CBS/Viacom millions for a bare nipple momentarily exposed on network TV, but the FCC hasn’t fined Imus for his comments?
April 10th, 2007 at 10:17 amAnd while we’re at it, then why isn’t Gwen stopping the rappers who have been using the word “ho” & bitches to describe women? Why does she single out a white guy, but ignore the damage being done by black rappers to the esteem of black women?
And why are the racist comments made by Al Sharpton in the Tawana Brawley hoax and ‘91 Crown Heights affair being ignored?
April 10th, 2007 at 10:19 amBadmoodman,
Obviously the Christian coalition wasn’t as upset by Imus, being white and all.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:22 amazureblue,
Hell yea lets lynch em!
April 10th, 2007 at 10:23 am“And while we’re at it, then why isn’t Gwen stopping the rappers who have been using the word “ho†& bitches to describe women? Why does she single out a white guy, but ignore the damage being done by black rappers to the esteem of black women?”
last i checked, mccain, russert, et al didn’t make regular appearances on tupac albums; but they do go on ‘imus’ with some regularity.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:26 amto #23 – b/c it’s ok for such things to be said by black rappers since their doing so doesn’t provide an opportunity for some to further promulgate racial tension. the truth be, if many of those who continue to promulgate such sentiments – whether directly or by blowing things out of proportion would just stop their tyrades, there would be much less racial tension in the world.
go think on that one for awhile
April 10th, 2007 at 10:27 amThis whole thing is pretty ridiculous. If this had been a *CONSERVATIVE* talk show host, everybody on here would’ve been crying for his head. Additionally, TP waited 4 days before posting anything about this incident; yet they jumped on Ann Coulter (who I am *not* defending) immediately (as did every poster on here). And this site is supposed to be non-partisan? Riiight.
And most of the comments in this thread have either said it’s been blown out of proportion, or have just discussed Ms. Ifill… Again, imagine the *exact same comment* was made by Rush, or Sean, or Laura, or Ann, or Michelle. The comment (and discussions thereof) would’ve been ALL OVER this site. But because the talk show host in question is a lib? (hear the crickets chirping?)
FWIW, I wholeheartedly agree with Raven and Badmoodman… this incident was NOT overblown, and Imus should get much more than a two week suspension. (and it’s only the MSNBC simulcast that’s being suspended).
Also, let me say again… I am *not* defending Ann Coulter… she was dead wrong in the comments she made regarding Sen. Edwards, and I hope that any loss of revenue she experiences will be enough to make her rethink any future comments she may make.
Too bad TP and many of the posters here can’t get past there hypocrisy to say the same about Don Imus.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:29 amYou obviously don’t know what you’re talking about… there’s plenty on condemnation from the right that’s being directed towards Imus.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:31 amGwen IS a class act! Don Imus is he “poster boy” for the ReichWing, Bigoted Rethugs who is attempting to shift the attention to Don Imus and his huge ego rather than the young women whose character he besmerched. This is about these maligned young women of the Rutgers Championship Basketball Team and NOT about Don Imus at this point. It’s become all about “how Don Imus feels” rather than “how these maligned young women feel”. Don Imus is a nasty, hate-filled, depressed, angry and miserable old man whose days of glory are rapidly coming to a close. I suspect a bit of latent mysogeny in his character myself. After all, his “trophy wife” is simply that: an armpiece to prop up a wrinkled, nasty old codger. He’s using her which is evident in the way he treats her publicly.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:34 amIf this was the first time, it would be out of proportion. If he didn’t swear to Clarence Page seven years ago that he would stop this racist banter then, it would be out of proportion. If this guy didn’t make an entire living out of disparaging others it would be out of proportion.
But the only thing out of proportion in this sad scenario is the sucking sound of the likes of Tom Oliphant, Howard Fineman, and the rest of the crowd who are beholden to this human trainwreck for helping them sell their books.
Saying he’s sorry is not sufficient. Being sorry is what you are when someone’s dog gets run over. He needs to tell these women he was wrong. He needs to beg these women for their forgiveness. And that pinhead McGurk right along with him.
These women are the ones who were wronged, not us, and not Tom Oliphant. If they are willing to give him their forgiveness, then fine. If they aren’t willing, he needs to go. I would see his fate in their hands alone.
This is not a free speech issue: Imus can say whatever he wants on the street corner, just like every other citizen. Just because there are people out there to consume this trash doesn’t mean it should be broadcast on the publicly-owned airwaves.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:35 am“But because the talk show host in question is a lib?”
yup, dem powerhouse don imus
April 10th, 2007 at 10:36 amDale,
Retard, the question was about FCC fines, not supposed flack from the right, see the difference?
Oh yea, F*ck off.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:37 amThe repugnacan party has given bigots and racists a comfort zone to operate in.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:38 am….would just stop their tyrades, there would be much less racial tension in the world……Comment by chris
Yep if those darn black people would just shut up there would be fewer problems. Just shut up and take it. Of course when Chris is discriminated against or someone points out that his intellectually challenged argument is about as deep as sheet of paper and as accurate as his spelling he will be offended.
That was a great response, focusing on the call to be better than ourselves, rather than dwelling on our baser behaviours. That is something that I would expect a minister / community healer to say – I was floored.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:48 amOk, this is going to make me very unpopular, but everyone I think needs to go back and listen to what Imus was saying.
He was trying to compliment the team when he said that. He was trying to say they were tough, and would “kick ass”. But it came out stupidly.
It was a stupid thing to say, and I am fine that he got a 2 week suspension for being “stupid”.
But I am tired of Al Sharpton and everyone else trying to attribute racist sentiments to it. I don’t think he was trying to be racist. This has nothing to do with what party Imus sides or doesn’t side with. It has to do with WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID, and the CONTEXT in which it was said.
And after seeing the entire video, its clear he was trying to pay them a compliment in an offhanded way.
Michael Richards WAS being racist when he said what he did.
George Allen WAS being racist when he said what he did.
But after seeing the entire video clip, I don’t think Don Imus was trying to be racist.
He was just trying to praise them and he ended up saying it in a really stupid way.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:52 am#33, we’re just waiting for the libs to step up. guess we’ll be waiting awhile. What would your reaction be if Rush had made those comments?
April 10th, 2007 at 10:52 amAl Sharpton, (who I like) is off base on this one.
He is stirring up racial hatred where it doesn’t need to be.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:53 amBut I also think its good he was suspened for 2 weeks.
Thats a lot of lost revenue, and will make him think before he opens his mouth next time.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:54 amDon’t we have more important crap to deal with than this?
April 10th, 2007 at 10:57 am#33, we’re just waiting for the libs to step up. guess we’ll be waiting awhile. What would your reaction be if Rush had made those comments?
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 10:52 am
The difference between Imus and Limpballs, is if he could get away with it, Limpballs would say that and more, each and every day.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:57 amDid someone mention Sharpton and Jackson?
And these people are leading the charge against Imus.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:57 amYeah she’s classy, but this media frenzy is rediculous…freedom of speech should trump advertiser fears, and Imus or anyone else should be able to joke about anything in a comedy show context…but noooo, not in a corporate media system
April 10th, 2007 at 10:59 amthis site is supposed to be non-partisan? Riiight
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 10:29 am
What gave you that idea?
Didn’t the term “Progressive” tip you off?
April 10th, 2007 at 10:59 amWORFEUS,
Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder?
You say he was trying to compliment them but it was good he was suspended for two weeks? Huh?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:00 am#41, So am I to assume that you’d be angrier at Rush?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:01 am#44, silly me… I guess this gave me the idea:
The Center for American Progress Action Fund is a nonpartisan organization. With the blog, CAPAF seeks to provide a forum that advances progressive ideas and policies.
You really should know the aims of the sites you’re posting to. (embarrassed yet?)
April 10th, 2007 at 11:03 amWhat happend to our first amendment? You don’t advocate making fun of people “weaker” then you then stop cracking jokes about Bush.
This is lame. You people calling for Imus’s head need to grow up.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:04 amYou say he was trying to compliment them but it was good he was suspended for two weeks? Huh?
Comment by Rocks911 — April 10, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Thats right.
What part of that are you having difficulty with?
Whatever his meaning his choice of words was inflammatory and offensive.
He didn’t mean to be offensive, but he was.
If I run over your head with the front tire of my pickup, but didn’t mean to, they’ll still probably write me a ticket or two.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:06 am“You don’t advocate making fun of people “weaker†then you then stop cracking jokes about Bush.”
of course. bush and imus are the real victims here.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:07 am#41, So am I to assume that you’d be angrier at Rush?
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Rush is a racist. His words are spoken with malice of forethought.
Imus was just babbling, and was not trying to make a racial slur or say anything demaning, at least I don’t see that in the video.
If someone can show me where his malice or desire to belittle the team was, I’m all ears.
I will be happy to reverse my position if someone can show me something that I have yet to see on that video.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:11 amYou really should know the aims of the sites you’re posting to. (embarrassed yet?)
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Sure.
For you.
If you’re too stupid to know this is a LIBERAL site, (Or did you think Mr Podesta was a Conservative?) then I’ve got some real nice vacation property down in Florida I’d like you to take a look at.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:13 amAMEN to Ms. Ifell. And Amen actually means TRUTH TRUTH>
April 10th, 2007 at 11:13 amhowever, I want to add to her words by saying everyone…. we all need to promote each other and practice some radical forgiveness…. after matters are sufficiently handled. But disabled people count too and some fancy nancy government lawyers are fixin to find that out!
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 10:29 am
And this site is supposed to be non-partisan? Riiight – THINK PROGRESS, GET IT?
And most of the comments in this thread have either said it’s been blown out of proportion, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE POST BY THE OTHER TROLL, MICHAEL, YOU IDIOT!
or have just discussed Ms. Ifill – BECAUSE THE THREAD IS ABOUT MS. IFILL, DUH.
But because the talk show host in question is a lib? OH HE SOUNDS LIKE A LIB, BUT HE’S A LIB BECAUSE YOU LABEL HIM SO, ASS.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:14 amYou obviously don’t know what you’re talking about… there’s plenty on condemnation from the right that’s being directed towards Imus.
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 10:31 am
SHOW US A LINK OR STFU.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:15 amWhat would your reaction be if Rush had made those comments?
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 10:52 am
RUSH TELLS LIES ABOUT AND SMEARS DEMOCRATS EVERY DAY HE’S NOT IN REHAB. WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. IF WE HAD OUR WAY HE’D BE OFF THE AIR PERMANENTLY. YOU SUPPORT HIM, TALK TO YOURSELF.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:20 amSo TP’s about page is a farce? They’re trying to mislead people? Is that what you’re saying?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:21 am#55,
uh, you don’t know how to use google? Do it yourself. Oh, and as far as “STFU”… thank you no, I think I’d rather not.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:25 amDon Imus, what a f..king joke. Who the hell listens to people that wear cowboy hats anyway. Maybe an 8 year old. Put Imus in the Rush Limbaugh-Mcnabb, Savage-Bad Aids joke trashbin. Later Imus. Maybe Bush can give you some brush to clear on his sudo-cowboy small dick ranch.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:26 amWhere’s Slick Rick Al and bug-eyed Jesse? Are they going to approach the rap community about denegrating/degrading African-American women? Libs, the good book says that we must forgive. I guess you guys slept through the Easter sermon.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:28 amSo TP’s about page is a farce? They’re trying to mislead people? Is that what you’re saying?
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Yes.
We’re all tricking you.
It’s a conspiracy.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:29 amThe question is, where do you stand?
Do you stand with the young black women–dedicated, talented,strong young women who have become champions?
(in a sport that was sneered at by the sportswriting community for years until it became so popular they couldn’t ignore it?)
Do you think they should be applauded–or have sexual slurs thrown at them?
You stand there, at your moment of achievement that you’ve worked so hard for–and listen as a rich white nationally syndicated talk-show host calls you a bunch of prostitutes?
And watch as columnists come on and declare solidarity forever with him?
I don’t care if Don Imus hates Bush, or is a liberal, or mends ducklings’ broken wings in his spare time. If he were Bill Moyers, I would want him off the airwaves.
I have had enough if arwaves filled with conservatives insulting the victims of disasters, people dying of horrible diseases, mothers who’ve lost sons in war, wives who’ve lost husbands in terrorist attacks–and young champion athletes who are guilty of being blak women.
Tom Oliphant, Howard Fineman, and the right wing trollosphere have lined up with Don Imus.
Gwen Ifill, at least, stands with the Rutgers women.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amSo do I.
lib con inde. When are we going to stop yelling at eachother over the fence and be americans again?
First amendment people.
blazing saddles, watermelon man, the black klansman.
what happend to us being able to talk?
we used to be able to make fun of eachother without being so frickin sensitive.
Grow Up!
April 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amYou sound a little testy this morning Daryll, not your usual quietly charitable christian self… anything you wish to confess?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amCNN running a clip on the college now….Blessings
April 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amRacist comments. Now that’s something the right wing trolls around here can get behind. Look at them defend their bigot, Imus. Gotta love those 30%er’s. Too funny.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:31 am“Where’s Slick Rick Al and bug-eyed Jesse? Are they going to approach the rap community about denegrating/degrading African-American women? Libs, the good book says that we must forgive. I guess you guys slept through the Easter sermon.”
last i checked, mccain, russert, et al didn’t make regular appearances on tupac albums; but they do go on ‘imus’ with some regularity.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amComment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 10:53 am
The coach is at a press conference saying how the girls feelings were hurt. 5 of them are freshman. Some of them are white.
Imus calls them hos and Ifill a cleaning lady. Kind of seems like a pattern.
Who makes comments about men’s basketball teams being pimps or janitors. It’s why Pelosi is called out for every move she makes, and Hillary is fair game because she’s tough, women are considered less valuable in whatever position they hold.
As a woman I would be happier if I never had to hear a word out of misogynists like Imus and Howard Stern. I would also appreciate if the right wing pundits would treat Pelosi with the same respect they would a man in her position.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amwe’re quoting al roker now?! am I in bizzaro-land?
ahahahahaha
April 10th, 2007 at 11:32 amDale sez:
Um, no. We’ve been over this before, Dale.
If you’re going to make a claim, it’s your responsibility to provide evidence to substantiate that claim. We’re not going to do your homework for you.
If you’re serious about contributing to the discussion, come back with links. If all you’re looking to do is mislead and obfuscate, just stay the course.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:32 amI like Imus. I don’t like what he said–duh–but in a way it’s like watching an old drunk trying to impress his buddies in a bar, seeing who says the most outrageous things.
Isn’t it possible that we can have a legitimate conversation about race around this incident, and isn’t it possible that Imus is the right guy in the right place at the right time to have that discussion? He’s no stranger to value-based discussions, and I don’t want to ignore that positive trait while focusing on his negatives.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:34 amI *knew* it (looking over my shoulder as I type this).
/sarc.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:34 amAnd these people are leading the charge against Imus.
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 10:57 am
You forgot to mention Clinton in there. As long as one person has said something stupid it okay for the rest of the world to do the same.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:34 amThe question is, where do you stand?
Do you stand with the young black women–dedicated, talented,strong young women who have become champions?
(in a sport that was sneered at by the sportswriting community for years until it became so popular they couldn’t ignore it?)
Do you think they should be applauded–or have sexual slurs thrown at them?
Comment by pbg — April 10, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I stand on the side of the truth.
And the truth is these were NOT intended to be “sexual slurs”.
If we attribute racial or sexual malice where there is none, then we are doing a greater injustice to the team members then if he had meant them that way.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:36 amYou really should know the aims of the sites you’re posting to. (embarrassed yet?)
Comment by Dale — April 10, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Non partisan as in not being sponsored by a political party you moron.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:37 am#72… Dale:
Boo! :)
April 10th, 2007 at 11:39 amOh look. Fox News just announced they have a position open for Imus. They’ll put him in between Dildo O’Lielly and Mark Furhman. The 8 to 9 racist hour. HaHa!! Later Imus. Enjoy retirement you dumb fu@@king hillbilly bigot. Poor, poor right wingers. Their mouths are constantly cashing checks that their asses can’t cover. Cry me a river. HaHa!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 11:39 amWhat happend to our first amendment? You don’t advocate making fun of people “weaker†then you then stop cracking jokes about Bush.
This is lame. You people calling for Imus’s head need to grow up
Comment by old hack
I love armchair constitutional scholars.
Art I: “Congress shall make no law[...]abridging the freedom of speech[...]”
Don Imus freely spoke and people freely expressed their outrage. MSNBC exercised its freedom to give Imus a cooling-off period for embarrassing them. No constitutional issues to see here, move along…
Whoa. Bush is C-in-C of all our armed forces, has veto power over legislation, and is protected 24/7 by bodyguards FOR LIFE, but if I criticize him, I’m “making fun” of someone weaker?!
April 10th, 2007 at 11:40 am“If the PC police have their way we will be the most humorless nation in the world.â€
1- if you can’t be funny without insulting someone else, someone who has less power than you do, you’re not funny, you’re a bully.
2-Quit hiding behind the “PC police†chliche, unless you defended Bill Mahar when he said the 9-11 hijackers were many things, but they wern’t cowards.
Comment by bob (not the hacker) — April 10, 2007 @ 10:01 am
Bob, you hit the hammer on the nail. African-American (being politically correct) comedians like Dave Chapelle and Chris Rock constantly degrade Caucasians and the African-American community for humorous purposes, but Jesse James (Action Jackson) nor Al Perm (Slick Rick Sharpton) never approach these individuals about their comedic act. There is a double standard within the African-American community, and it needs to be resolved. My sisters, who are professionals, heard Imus’ comment, and it didn’t offend them because they know that they are upstanding female citizens.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:40 amWomen call each other “hos” all the time in jest these days. I see it on TV all the time, and in ,movies.
Imus was clearly trying to be familiar and homey, and doing something white celebrities are always trying to do.
He was trying to “sound black”.
And except for Vanilla Ice and Kid Rock, not too many can get away with it.
So I wish they’d stop trying.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 10, 2007 @ 11:32 am
Speaking of charges, don’t you have one to apologize for? Something about April 6th?
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Jackson and Sharpton both have a history of making racially insensitive comments. Just use the Google, you’ll find them. I just find it ironic that racists are condemning a perceived racist statement. Sounds like the pot talking to the kettle.
And yes, Imus has the right to say what he did, even if we disagree with it. Does the First Amendment ring a bell?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:46 amWORFEUS,
You said “whatever his meaning”, that’s the part I’m having difficulty with.
Either he meant to be ugly or he didn’t. The whole point about the criticism of Imus was his intent, thats what either legitimizes his suspension or doesn’t legitimize it.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:47 am“we used to be able to make fun of eachother without being so frickin sensitive.”
yeah! what happened to the days when old rich white guys who have a platform for their opinion in the form of a national radio and television show could make fun of young [18-22 years old] african-american women’s appearances?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:48 amb/c it’s ok for such things to be said by black rappers since their doing so doesn’t provide an opportunity for some to further promulgate racial tension. the truth be, if many of those who continue to promulgate such sentiments – whether directly or by blowing things out of proportion would just stop their tyrades, there would be much less racial tension in the world.
go think on that one for awhile
Comment by chris
So, it’s okay for African Americans to call themselves denegrating names, but if a Caucasian person does it’s a crime? Double standard, anyone?
I’m not condoning what Imus said, but he didn’t say “the H word” first, it was his producer, Imus just took it and ran. Imus should not be the only one being punished for what he said. The producer should be suspended as well. True, since Imus won’t be on air for 2 weeks, that is punishment for the producer, but if Imus is being slung thorough the mud, so should the man who cast the first word.
I think calling anyone by a derogatory name is totally rude in any instance. I try very hard not to call anyone an idiot too, even though some of the trolls on this site make it very hard to follow that policy.
“Can’t we all just get along?” Please?
April 10th, 2007 at 11:49 amI’m with you on this one WORFEUS…..Blessings
April 10th, 2007 at 11:49 amold hack:
Because we can’t talk.
Don Imus has the microphone, and he has been saying anything he pleases, no matter who it hurts, or abuses.
The Rutgers women don’t have their own radio show to talk back, and equally trade joking insults back and forth.
Or do it on the Dave Chapppelle radio show. Or the Spike Lee radio show. Or the Kanye West radio show. Or on any of the cable news shows hosted by black progressives. Because they don’t exist.
It’s not a dialogue when the guy with the microphone points to someone in the audience and calls her a prostitute.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:51 am“Don Imus has the microphone, and he has been saying anything he pleases, no matter who it hurts, or abuses.
The Rutgers women don’t have their own radio show to talk back, and equally trade joking insults back and forth.”
exactly
April 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amWORFEUS,
You said “whatever his meaningâ€, that’s the part I’m having difficulty with.
Either he meant to be ugly or he didn’t. The whole point about the criticism of Imus was his intent, thats what either legitimizes his suspension or doesn’t legitimize it.
Comment by Rocks911 — April 10, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Once again, it doesn’t matter your intent when you break the law.
If someone runs a stopsign, they’re going to get a ticket.
Whether they meant to or not.
Racial monikers are a stop sign for Disc Jockey’s (just ask Vino Greaseminelli) and Imus knows that, yet he used one anyway.
There has to be a price to that, and I think given the circumstances, a 2 week suspension is perfectly appropriate.
But all this hullabalooey is much ado about nothing.
Al Sharpton and Gwen Ifil are blowing this out of proportion, and are doing a diservice to us all by fanning the fires of racisim when there really was none there.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amlast i checked, mccain, russert, et al didn’t make regular appearances on tupac albums; but they do go on ‘imus’ with some regularity.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 11:31 am
What’s your point. McCain and Russert stated that Don’s comedic views toward the Rutgers Women’s team was disgusting. When was the last time that Al and Jesse contacted the FCC to conduct an investigation on music stations that play videos/audio music that degrade the African-American community in general? Be careful with your response because I’m a brown-skinned individual, too.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:58 amAnd yes, Imus has the right to say what he did, even if we disagree with it. Does the First Amendment ring a bell?
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Wrong. He doesn’t have a right to say what he wants on the public airways. Racist comments are not permitted in commercial broadcasting.
FCC says so. Period.
Imus screwed up and is being punished accordingly.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:59 amhacker bob sez:
‘Apologize’? If you recall, I said I’d be happy if the April 6 rumor proved to be false. What exactly makes you think I owe anyone an ‘apology’, bob?
Here’s the exact text of my response, in case you’re confused.
So, bob…what exactly should I be ‘apologizing’ for, again?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI’m with you on this one WORFEUS
Comment by Sharon — April 10, 2007 @ 11:49 am
I am surprised to hear that, albeit relieved.
I was really putting myself out there, lol.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pmBe careful with your response because I’m a brown-skinned individual, too.
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Yeah sure Daryll. And I have angel wings that fly out of my ass at midnight. Now get back to your trolling you bigot. You trolls are sure good for a laugh. Gotta love those 30%er’s. They just love to get behind their racist tv personalities, come hell or highwater.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pmyeah! what happened to the days when old rich white guys who have a platform for their opinion in the form of a national radio and television show could make fun of young [18-22 years old] african-american women’s appearances?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 11:48 am
pgw, what is your nationality? Also, cease being sensitive. African-American comedians constantly use racial jokes. Why haven’t you addressed this issue? Also, spare the slavery stories. Let us move on in life.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pmAnd yes, Imus has the right to say what he did, even if we disagree with it. Does the First Amendment ring a bell?
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Yes he has the right to say anything he chooses. But he is talent. And talent is employed at the pleasure of the producers of a show. And they can at anytime decide whether it is wise to employ said talent.
The average Screen Actor’s Guild (SAG) and American Federaion of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) makes under $5,000 per year.
So if you are one of the few performers who can make a decent living you ought to be grateful everyday of your life.
So like Mel Gibson, Michael Richards and even Jane Fonda say whatever you feel. But then be ready to suffer the consequences when the public doesn’t want to hear from you any more.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pm“What’s your point.”
that this whole episode has nothing to do with rap music.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#91, TMM, can you at least admit you were wrong? Admit it without a slam against myself, or ‘rethuglicans’, or Pres. Bush, or anything/one else? Just say “I was wrong”.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmold hack:
Because we can’t talk.
Don Imus has the microphone, and he has been saying anything he pleases, no matter who it hurts, or abuses.
The Rutgers women don’t have their own radio show to talk back, and equally trade joking insults back and forth.
Or do it on the Dave Chapppelle radio show. Or the Spike Lee radio show. Or the Kanye West radio show. Or on any of the cable news shows hosted by black progressives. Because they don’t exist.
It’s not a dialogue when the guy with the microphone points to someone in the audience and calls her a prostitute.
Comment by pbg — April 10, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Pgb, you’re full of hypocrisy. Dave Chappelle constantly tells racial jokes during his act. Pgb, please reveal who you really are? Are you working for Al Sharpton, the NAACP or the Rainbow Coalition?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMcCain and Russert stated that Don’s comedic views toward the Rutgers Women’s team was disgusting
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 11:58 am
That’s interesting I didn’t hear that McCain said that. What I did hear was that he was the first politician who said he would be willing to go on Imus’ show when he returns.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:11 pmYou gotta admit it folks. The right wing trolls are out in force today. Racism, it’s FANtastic to neocons. Is anybody really shocked that some hillbilly douche, who wears a cowboy hat, on a morning show in the mainstream American Media made a racist comment. Hell folks, I’m just shocked Imus lasted this long. Buhbye Imus! Don’t worry folks, MSNBC will replace Imus with another lapdog.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:13 pmImus is a complete jackass. That being said, if you are offended by his comments, turn off the freakin’ radio!! I would never listen to that droning skeleton anyway. He can say whatever the hell he wants on the radio, don’t like, don’t listen. When enough people stop listening to him, Imus won’t have a job. thats how it works. Al Sharpeton latchs on to things like this all the time and tries to make them such a big deal.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:14 pmKeith Olbermann last night said that he has only been on Imus’ show once in his television career. He also said he never would appear again because he doesn’t agree with many of Imus’ opinions.
Go, Keith!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“What’s your point.â€
that this whole episode has nothing to do with rap music.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
If you want to Imus to be removed, shouldn’t immorale rap music be removed, too?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:17 pmhere, i took something out:
yeah! what happened to the days when old rich guys who have a platform for their opinion in the form of a national radio and television show could make fun of young [18-22 years old] women’s appearances?
it still doesn’t pass the smell test, does it?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:19 pm“If you want to Imus to be removed, shouldn’t immorale rap music be removed, too?”
yes. rap should be banned because imus said something racist. excellent point.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:22 pmDaryll is a parody troll
April 10th, 2007 at 12:24 pmRacist comments are not permitted in commercial broadcasting.
It was a percieved racist statement.
Was the statement directed at only the black players? No. It was directed at the team as a whole.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI applaud Iffil and am trying to resist, failing to resist posing the question: why did she ask him to pick on people his own size– what does she have against Imus picking on people much taller than he is ?
Or if Imus is as tall as a female basketball player, wouldn’t she like to rephrase ?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmTMM,
OK, an apology for sreading the lie is unnecessary. But can you at least admit you were wrong?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:27 pmOld hack (aptly named). I’m going to exercise my right to free speech and tell you to shut the fuck up. You’re nothing but an apologist for the willful ignornace of White America. YOU are the one playing the race card as well as other like you who like to campare what Don Imus said what ganster rappers spew every single day. Are what they do accpetable? Absolutely not. Does the black community feel this way? Many of them do, but it seems like you or any other dumbshit that echoes your sentiments don’t do enough research to find that out.
Now what makes you think crying boo hoo, black people saying mean things about each other tooooooo, make what Don Imus says acceptable? Give us an answer.
People like you are bigger pants wetters than the ones who are against what he did.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmDale sez:
Seeing as how I didn’t tout this rumor as established fact, I really don’t see how I was ‘wrong’.
The rumor was wrong…certainly…and I’ll admit that with relief. But if you actually read the comment you alluded to above, you would have seen that my faith in this rumor was far from complete.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhoa. Bush is C-in-C of all our armed forces, has veto power over legislation, and is protected 24/7 by bodyguards FOR LIFE, but if I criticize him, I’m “making fun†of someone weaker?!
Comment by J-rock
you make fun of him constantly because he is a MORON! hence he’s weaker then you.
…
Because we can’t talk.
It’s not a dialogue when the guy with the microphone points to someone in the audience and calls her a prostitute.
Comment by pbg
We’re talking right now. The black community talks all day. Just cuz they don’t have a radio show doesnt mean they don’t have a voice, You folks that think my armchair constitutional thinking is trite but the truth is you people are advocating censorship. We should all be able to say whatever the hell we want when we want without having to adhere to social standards. thats the beauty of this country. Imus can say somthing stupid and we can call him stupid. It’s very simple. You go around saying “He doesn’t have a right to say anything crass” inherently you’re saying he doesnt have the privelage of the first amendment.
served.
I’m just wondering where does it end?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pmOh those poor prosecuted white people – they’re never allowed to make fun of anyone! We whiteys are sooo oppressed! Oh my god!
April 10th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThere are more solutions besides “Slap on the Wrist” and “Death Penalty”.
The people who want him to be fired keep saying they don’t want this to be “forgotten about”, and the people who don’t want him to be fired probably sound (to the first group) like they DO want this to be forgotten about.
I think there can be degrees of punishment and degrees of public scorn. To suggest that it’s all-or-nothing is counterproductive.
If our only two choices when something like this happens is to forget about it OR to totally ostracize and vilify the offender, we’re going to end up missing the boat a lot of the time.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:30 pmIf you knew anything about Imus, about his current political views, the guests he has on his show, and his unbelievably generous and charitable nature, you would think twice before crucifying him.
His comment was totally taken out of context. He was making a joke. It should have gotten no media coverage. However, now that it is on the front page of every newspaper, a real problem has arisen. Nothing that Sharpton or Jackson (the biggest racists I know of) are doing will help anyone. Their uproar just breeds racism (not MORE racism, because there was none to begin with).
Anybody who is calling this man a racist obviously was not listening a couple of weeks ago when Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson (a black man and good friend of Imus) passed away. Imus spoke with his widow on air a few days after his passing and expressed his condolences.
Imus is not a racist.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“It was a percieved racist statement.”
that’s a great point. i’ve got a bus ticket for you for new brunswick. let me know how “nappy headed hos” is “percieved” [sic] there.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pmIt was a percieved racist statement.
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Calling somebody nappy headed has been a racist statement for a very long time. What do you me “perceived racist statement?”
April 10th, 2007 at 12:33 pmBe careful with your response because I’m a brown-skinned individual, too.
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Must be one of the Cubans who voted for Dubya and Jeb.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:33 pmYou folks that think my armchair constitutional thinking is trite but the truth is you people are advocating censorship. We should all be able to say whatever the hell we want when we want without having to adhere to social standards. thats the beauty of this country. Imus can say somthing stupid and we can call him stupid. It’s very simple. You go around saying “He doesn’t have a right to say anything crass†inherently you’re saying he doesnt have the privelage of the first amendment.
served.
I’m just wondering where does it end?
Comment by old hack — April 10, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Old hack, be careful, Pmg may find the words “you folks” offensive. She may call Al on you.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#110
You’ll be happy to admit you were wrong (you were answering the question of “will you come back here and admit you were wrong”), but now you weren’t wrong… only the “rumor” was wrong… is that correct? Do much backpedaling lately?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pmIf you knew anything about Imus, about his current political views, the guests he has on his show, and his unbelievably generous and charitable nature, you would think twice before crucifying him.
His comment was totally taken out of context. He was making a joke. It should have gotten no media coverage. However, now that it is on the front page of every newspaper, a real problem has arisen. Nothing that Sharpton or Jackson (the biggest racists I know of) are doing will help anyone. Their uproar just breeds racism (not MORE racism, because there was none to begin with).
Anybody who is calling this man a racist obviously was not listening a couple of weeks ago when Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson (a black man and good friend of Imus) passed away. Imus spoke with his widow on air a few days after his passing and expressed his condolences.
Imus is not a racist.
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
I-Train, this is how Al and Jesse accrue revenue. If issues like racial profiling were constant, Al and Jesse would be giddy. They’re race pimps.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Are you saying that he only meant to insult the black players? Or the team as a whole? Are the white players not supposed to be offended as well?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:38 pmImus is not a racist.
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Why because some of his friends are black. He called a women basketball players from a prestigious college “nappy headed hos.”
What does he have to do to prove he’s a racist, join the KKK. What he said is racist and he is racist for saying it.
If people like you want to listen to him then he should be allowed on the air. And you should know you are listening to a racist.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:39 pmBe careful with your response because I’m a brown-skinned individual, too.
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Must be one of the Cubans who voted for Dubya and Jeb.
Comment by Gabulous — April 10, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
No, I’m an American with African traits.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:42 pm“The black community talks all day.”
huh?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:44 pmImus is not a racist.
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Why because some of his friends are black. He called a women basketball players from a prestigious college “nappy headed hos.â€
What does he have to do to prove he’s a racist, join the KKK. What he said is racist and he is racist for saying it.
If people like you want to listen to him then he should be allowed on the air. And you should know you are listening to a racist.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Rutgers University is not considered a prestigious college.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:44 pmDale sez:
Wow, Dale…your ass must still be smarting from that whipping I gave you the other day about the U.S. Attorneys…you’re out for blood here, aren’t you?
I’ll tell you what. If you or hacker bob can find a statement from me vouching for the authenticity of this rumor, be so good as to post it, and I’ll admit it was wrong and apologize. Until then. I think I’ll stick with what I said to hacker bob earlier…the part you mysteriously failed to quote in your earlier comment:
April 10th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Is there such a thing as nappy hair? Or has that phrase been determined illegal for white people to say?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:47 pm“The black community talks all day.â€
huh?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
BET, MTV, VH1, Oprah, TV One, etc.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:48 pm“The black community talks all day.â€
huh?
Comment by pgw
Is there no such thing as a black community? what are you confused about?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:49 pm“Rutgers University is not considered a prestigious college.”
yeah, you’re right! it’s no regent university!
April 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWhat does he have to do to prove he’s a racist, join the KKK. What he said is racist and he is racist for saying it.
If people like you want to listen to him then he should be allowed on the air. And you should know you are listening to a racist.
Comment by shane
well chappelle and Rock say “the N word” does that mean they hate black people too?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“Is there such a thing as nappy hair?”
huh?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pm#126, so I take it then, TMM, that you’re recanting your statement “n four more days, will you come back here and admit you were wrong when this doesn’t happen? Just asking. I’ll be happy to.”
I admitted that I was wrong, yet you, when challenged, feel the need to dredge up the past.
Man of your word, aren’t you?
April 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pmDale sez:
Show where I was wrong. Show where I vouched for the authenticity of the “Operation Bite” rumor.
Yes, I have this unnatural affection for facts. Sorry if that interferes with your TMM-bashing.
Still waiting for you to show me how I’ve broken it.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:01 pmTo call someone a racist, I believe that you need to know something about the person’s character. My assumption is that pretty much no one on this board listens to Imus or knows anything about him besides the recent Rutgers remark.
Yes, I listen to Imus. And I think that I know a little about his character, probably more than most peopl on this board. And yes, I think the “black friend” argument is valid in this case. G.E. Patterson was his friend, and Imus seemed deeply saddened by his passing. If he was such a racist, why would Patterson’s widow appear on his show?
Imus was a vocal supporter of Harold Ford, Jr.’s senate bid. Were any of you listening to Imus’ reaction to the infamous “Harold, call me” smear ad? My guess is NO.
What I am trying to say is, don’t judge a man by a 3-word quote taken out of context. Try learning about the man’s character before you judge him.
Imus has done more for progressive causes than anyone reading this could ever hope to do.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmIt was a percieved racist statement.
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Calling somebody nappy headed has been a racist statement for a very long time. What do you me “perceived racist statement?â€
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Actually, the term “nappyheaded” orginated with African Americans in this country. As best I can recall, it was a term applied to black people back when “afros” started to come into style. Those without afro’s were referred to by other black people as “nappyheaded”.
It may have earlier origins, but thats the first time I remember it being used.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
I said it was sexist earlier in the thread. You said it was not racist. I disagreed with the point you made.
Tell me what does somebody have to do for you to admit they are racist?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:06 pmEven if “Operation Bite†isn’t real at all, someone is going to a great deal of trouble to make it appear as if it is, which is in itself newsworthy.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — April 10, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Trip, really, what would have been so hard about saying something like:
“WOW, looks like someone went through a lot of effort on this one. I guess it was wrong.”
But spin away, if you must. I could care less. I am just glad that it was wrong.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:07 pmwell chappelle and Rock say “the N word†does that mean they hate black people too?
Comment by old hack — April 10, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
It’s generally accepted that Italians can make Italian jokes and Irish can make Irish jokes but you don’t think blacks should be able to make black jokes. How white of you.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:09 pmComment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Malice for one. His statement was a failed attempt at humor, nothing more. He actually used words that are part of the common vernacular these days (Hoz).
But I’ll tell you what, I will be glad to call him a racist as soon as you call Sharpton one. Deal?
I figure the outrage should be more about the sexist tone of his comments.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHear hear… esp. with the abduction of the British sailors, I was getting kinda worried that *someone* was going to make some type of military move.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:13 pmhacker bob sez:
bob, perhaps you missed my earlier post #110 to Dale:
bob, I have no trouble admitting that this rumor was wrong. Earlier, I had said that I prayed it was wrong, and no one is happier than I that this has not come to pass.
The problem that I’m having with Dale right now is that he apparently believes that I’m the one who started this rumor…instead of merely reporting on it. It’s not surprising,…Dale has serious reading comprehension issues, and he has a huge axe to grind after the U.S. Attorneys incident.
One more thing, bob…the passage from me you quoted above was originally written last week…well before the 6th. I’m puzzled as to why you consider my reposting what I said before the target date as ’spin’.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmImus was a vocal supporter of Harold Ford, Jr.’s senate bid. Were any of you listening to Imus’ reaction to the infamous “Harold, call me†smear ad? My guess is NO.
What I am trying to say is, don’t judge a man by a 3-word quote taken out of context. Try learning about the man’s character before you judge him.
Imus has done more for progressive causes than anyone reading this could ever hope to do.
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Thats right. I don’t think the people hear realize what a strong vocal opponent of the Bush administration Imus has been, particularly lately.
Now that certainly has no impact on what he said, but what he said really wasn’t that big of a deal. It was an “UNFORTUNATE CHOICE OF WORDS”, but his intent was clearly to PRAISE the team-members, not offend them.
We are attributing intent that was not there.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:18 pmComment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
But a black man can tell a joke or make outrageous statements about (whites, Jew, Italians, Irish, Asians) and it gets a pass. If a white man tells a joke or makes an outrageous statement about (blacks, Jews, Arabs, Asians) they are a racist.
See the hypocrisy yet?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:20 pmI figure the outrage should be more about the sexist tone of his comments.
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
What sexist tone?
It was like saying to a logging team, “those are some real cornfed rednecks”.
It might not go over well at the family jamboree, but it wasn’t intended to be mean.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:21 pmImus has done more for progressive causes than anyone reading this could ever hope to do.
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I’m not saying he should be fired. Or that he’s not progressive. I said he is racist. We all are to some degree. I also think he is sexist as he wouldn’t call a men’s basketball team pimps. I have a right to my opinion. That’s all it is.
I didn’t watch him before, I won’t now. I also think if people want to boycott his sponsors they should be allowed to.
If you want to play the showbiz game you have to know the score. He does, maybe more now than before.
FYI I won’t go to another Mel Gibson movie, I never liked Jane Fonda and even when she was reduced to making exercise tapes I didn’t buy those, I don’t listen to rap music, Fox News or anything Limbaugh has to say. That’s showbiz.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 10, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
It wasn’t the re-posting I considered ’spin’. It was the reluctance to recant.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmTMM,
I did miss #110. Thanks you for bringing it to my attention.
It wasn’t the re-posting I considered ’spin’. It was the reluctance to recant.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmFiring and thus ending imus’s career vs. giving him a two week vacation are not the only two options. See:
http://gregladen.com/wordpress/?p=679
April 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmAll we are accomplishing by crucifying Don Imus for his poorly phrased compliment, is widening the racial divide in this country, and causing white people to feel like they have to “walk on eggshells” when public speaking about anyone of African descent.
We’re not going to help race relations by making a innocent albeit poorly phrased comment into some kind of racist propoganda speech.
Al Sharpton? Gwen Ifil?
Wanna help race relations in this country?
The drop it and move on.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmIt’s time to get back to what’s really important in this country. Ifill is irrelevant. Neither she nor Imus should take time away from stopping the war, investigating those who lied us into war and undoing the various related and other travesties that Bushco have perpetrated on this country.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmhacker bob sez:
Recant what, specifically?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#142,
No, TMM, I remember quite well where this rumor came from… a Russian general. I remember you quoting the article, and providing a link to it (I believe, though may be wrong, that it was in a Russian on-line newspaper).
I also know that you when you were asked by another poster if you would admit you were wrong, you would be happy to. (see *your* post #91). Yet you’ve consistently refused to address the quote… pointing to other quotes instead.
You’ve also consistently brought up my mistake on the US Attorneys… I’ve admitted I was wrong, yet you continue to bring it up.
You’re a waste of time.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pmComment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Well said!
April 10th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Imus calls them hos and Ifill a cleaning lady. Kind of seems like a pattern.
Who makes comments about men’s basketball teams being pimps or janitors. It’s why Pelosi is called out for every move she makes, and Hillary is fair game because she’s tough, women are considered less valuable in whatever position they hold.
As a woman I would be happier if I never had to hear a word out of misogynists like Imus and Howard Stern. I would also appreciate if the right wing pundits would treat Pelosi with the same respect they would a man in her position.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 11:31 am
This is what I said about sexism earlier. Have you read the thread?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI said he is racist.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Based on what? His close friendships to many many black people? His amazingly generous philanthropy?
Because this comment was was not made with a racist intent whatsoever.
The term “ho’s” is quite often used by women as an endearing reference.
I have heard women on tv refer to their “posse” or their “ho’s”.
Imus was trying to “talk black” and it didn’t work.
Which part of that are you people not seeing on this video?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI never liked Imus but If I could talk to him this is what I would say. Haven’t you made enough money in your career to stand up for your principles? You’re a comedian, you made a tasteless joke, and you prostituted yourself in front of the pimp, Al Tawana Brawley Sharpton for an hour. You’re a spinless little man!
April 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pma “poorly phrased compliment”? that’s ridiculous.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:36 pmMy God.
I’m on the side of the trolls.
:O
I’m damned.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:36 pmAl Sharpton and Gwen Ifil are blowing this out of proportion, and are doing a diservice to us all by fanning the fires of racisim when there really was none there.
Comment by WORFEUS
O.K. we can agree to disagree. I happen to think it’s a big deal, we used to hang “nappy-headed” people from trees for the color of their skin, so to say that it’s being overblown I think is trying to fade the justifiable heat.
Here’s an idea, lets have Imus meet with the girls Fathers, come out of the studio and spout your innocent garbage to their Dads.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:38 pmDale sez:
So…I guess you can’t find where I vouched for the authenticity of the article.
Apology accepted.
Later…I need to get some work done here.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:39 pma “poorly phrased compliment� that’s ridiculous.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
No its not.
Go back and WATCH the ENTIRE video.
He was trying to “street talk”. He was trying to “talk black”.
He was trying to use words that he had heard other black people, particularly women, use about each other in endearing jest.
Or are you honestly going to sit there and tell me you’ve never heard a black woman, or any woman for that matter, refer to her girlfriends as “MY HO’s”.?
He was clearly trying to say they were “TOUGH”, and it didn’t come out right.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmComment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
The collective outrage. Not just yours.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pm“The term “ho’s†is quite often used by women as an endearing reference.
I have heard women on tv refer to their “posse†or their “ho’sâ€.
Imus was trying to “talk black†and it didn’t work.”
3 stupid defenses in 1 post. well done.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmO.K. we can agree to disagree. I happen to think it’s a big deal, we used to hang “nappy-headed†people from trees for the color of their skin, so to say that it’s being overblown I think is trying to fade the justifiable heat.
Comment by Rocks911 — April 10, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
You are way, way way offbase.
Even speaking the phrase, “hang “nappy-headed†people from trees” is inflamatory and totally unrelated to this incident.
(And I couldn’t help but notice you used the term in your sentence without hesitation.)
Go back and LISTEN this time to what Imus said.
Not the sound bite the lamebrain media keeps playing over and over to fuel the fire.
Go back and LISTEN to what he actually said and the CONTEXT in which it was spoken.
He was trying to COMPLIMENT these girls, using street lingo he felt was appropriate.
He is guilty of a poor choice of words, nothing more.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:44 pmBut a black man can tell a joke or make outrageous statements about (whites, Jew, Italians, Irish, Asians) and it gets a pass
See the hypocrisy yet?
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
I guess I don’t watch the same comedians you do. Or else you’re more sensitive. See the hypocrisy yet?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:45 pmHere’s an idea, lets have Imus meet with the girls Fathers, come out of the studio and spout your innocent garbage to their Dads.
Comment by Rocks911 — April 10, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
And thats just inflamatory and even threatening to Imus.
Of course their dads are upset, with people like you fueling the fire.
With you guys saying “HEY, You guys gonna let him talk to your daughters like that?” of COURSE their fathers, are mad.
Everyones mad, because people like Al Sharpton and Gwen Ifil are telling them they should be mad.
When we stop fueling the fires and stop trying to sound “not racist” ourselves, we’ll see this as it should be seen.
As a very poor choice of words from a professional who should have known better.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — April 10, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Do we have to go back to the begining?
Let me refresh for you:
April 10th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
“He was trying to COMPLIMENT these girls, using street lingo he felt was appropriate.”
that is truly a very stupid thing to say. not even imus agrees with that: “Our characterization was thoughtless and stupid, and we are sorry.”
April 10th, 2007 at 1:51 pm3 stupid defenses in 1 post. well done.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Thats right pgw. You keep fanning the fires, and telling people they should be mad, and you might win in destroying one mans career.
But in the process, its people like you who invent racism when it isn’t there, who are going to do more to drive back race relations in this country than any bigot ever could.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThe term “ho’s†is quite often used by women as an endearing reference.
I have heard women on tv refer to their “posse†or their “ho’s
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
I find these statements offensive and I don’t think they help your cause. In addition, look in the dictionary under nappy and you will see one definition is an insult to black people. I seem to remember some reference to it in Gone With the Wind but I can’t be sure. I definitely disagree with you that it’s a term that started with afros.
I don’t think Imus should lose his job unless his rating don’t support his show. That’s how talent loses their job.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmWORFEUS,
You just don’t get it, and that’s O.K.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDefend racist remarks all you want you’ll not change my view.
I guess I don’t watch the same comedians you do. Or else you’re more sensitive. See the hypocrisy yet?
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
You’ve never listened to Chris Rock?
Carlos Mencia?
Eddie Murphy?
Richard Pryor?
April 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pmComment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
The collective outrage. Not just yours.
Comment by hacker bob — April 10, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
I don’t know what this means.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI seem to remember some reference to it in Gone With the Wind but I can’t be sure. I definitely disagree with you that it’s a term that started with afros.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Well like I said, thats when I first rememeber hearing it.
See Shane, I grew up in Southeast DC, during the 1960’s, which is where I first heard the expression being used in the context I provided.
And as I ALREADY indicated, it MAY have been used earlier.
But either way, I believe it is a word invented by black people, not white.
April 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI find these statements offensive and I don’t think they help your cause.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Well, my “cause” is simply to speak my mind.
So I do think they help my cause, as they accurately accomplish that.
And the fact that you find those comments offensive is your problem.
Once again where no offense is intended, none should be taken.
If you take offense, then the problem is within side of you.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pm(And I couldn’t help but notice you used the term in your sentence without hesitation.)
I THINK YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE SAYING THIS TO Rocks911.
And thats just inflamatory and even threatening to Imus. WHAT – ARE YOU JOKING?
Of course their dads are upset, with people like you fueling the fire.
When we stop fueling the fires and stop trying to sound “not racist†ourselves, we’ll see this as it should be seen. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THESE PEOPLE WEREN’T INTELLIGENT TO BE UPSET WITHOUT SOMEBODY TELLING THEM TO BE.
As a very poor choice of words from a professional who should have known better.
YES HE SHOULD. HE’S BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY A LONG TIME. THESE PEOPLE MAKE WAY MORE MONEY THAN YOU’D BELIEVE. AND THEY SHOULD KNOW WHEN TO EXHIBIT SELF CONTROL.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
April 10th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWORFEUS,
You just don’t get it, and that’s O.K.
Defend racist remarks all you want you’ll not change my view.
Comment by Rocks911 — April 10, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
No you don’t get it.
I am not defending racist remarks.
I just don’t see where racism was ever intended in those remarks, and I am not going to say there was, just because you or Al Sharpton tells me to.
You want to be mad about racist remarks, then be mad at Michael Richards.
Those WERE racist remarks.
But I don’t see any racism intended by mr Imus, just a poor choice of words.
And so far, not ONE of you has been able to show me ANY CONTEXT in which those words were intended to be racist.
Go back and read what I said.
IF someone can show me how these remarks were MEANT to be racist, then I’m all ears.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:06 pmyou make fun of him constantly because he is a MORON! hence he’s weaker then you.
Just remember, old hack – YOU called bush a moron. Not me.
You folks that think my armchair constitutional thinking is trite but the truth is you people are advocating censorship. We should all be able to say whatever the hell we want when we want without having to adhere to social standards. thats the beauty of this country.
I did not say (nor even think) that your “armchair constitutional thinking” was trite. But i did claim that it doesn’t apply here at all, as we have no case of Congress legislating what someone can or can’t say. So I’m saying for the record here that your “armchair constitutional thinking is irrelevant.
“We should all be able to say whatever the hell we want when we want without having to adhere to social standards.”
I hope you never raised kids. If you did, I hope I don’t live anywhere near them. It seems to me that “saying whatever the hell we want without having to adhere to social standards” is why the discursive commons of America has a litter problem. Hey, let’s suggest that McCain had an illegitimate black baby or claim that Kerry lied about the events for which he was awarded medals, and by golly let’s not let social standards (like, um, “DON”T LIE ABOUT PEOPLE”) get in the way.
And they say Progressives have no decency.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pm“And the fact that you find those comments offensive is your problem.”
that argument is betrayed by reality. and it’s not shane’s problem.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYou’ve never listened to Chris Rock? MOSTLY INSULTS BLACK PEOPLE THAT I’VE SEEN.
Carlos Mencia? INSULTS MOSTLY HISPANICS.
Eddie Murphy? HASN’T DONE STANDUP IN MAYBE 20 YEARS. DON’T REMEMBER HIM INSULTING WHITE PEOPLE.
Richard Pryor? WELL, HE’S DEAD BUT DON’T REMEMBER HIM INSULTING WHITE PEOPLE.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
It seems to me that white men are more sensitive than anybody because you’re all able to pick out who’s made jokes about you.
Maybe that can help you see how others feel.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pmAnyway I said he should be able to keep his job. What do you want from me?
I THINK YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE SAYING THIS TO Rocks911.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Why?
I didn’t accuse him of being racist like you are of Imus.
I merely pointed out his ease of use of the word in his sentence and how I did not perceive him as racist because I KNEW HIS INTENT WAS NOT.
By the way.
If you’re going to quote me, please get your quotes straight. Your 2:03 post merges your words with mine, then attributes them all to me.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pm.â€
that argument is betrayed by reality. and it’s not shane’s problem.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Nice attempt at sounding erudite, however the fact is that offense is a “perceived” emotion.
If no offense if intended, and someone takes offense anyway, then the problem lies with the person taking offense.
Which sin is greater?
To make an off color remark that was not intended to insult, or to bear false witness against someone?
When you attribute intent to someone, that was not there, then you are bearing false witness against your neighbor.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:15 pmRichard Pryor? WELL, HE’S DEAD BUT DON’T REMEMBER HIM INSULTING WHITE PEOPLE.
Comment by someone who never saw any of these comedians.
Really?
You don’t rememeber “DEAD HONKY”?
Well no matter. The rest of us do.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:17 pmBut either way, I believe it is a word invented by black people, not white.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
I believe this is incorrect and was used as an insult by white people towards black people.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:18 pmEddie Murphy? HASN’T DONE STANDUP IN MAYBE 20 YEARS. DON’T REMEMBER HIM INSULTING WHITE PEOPLE.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Really? Then what was he doing in that HBO special last summer?
You know. The one where he did his “WHITE GUY IMPERSONATION”?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pm“Nice attempt at sounding erudite”
didn’t mean to be obtuse. pleading ignorance doesn’t make it someone else’s problem. you’re defending what imus himself is no longer defending, and that is telling.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:22 pmYour 2:03 post merges your words with mine, then attributes them all to me.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
Sorry thought putting them in caps with my name at the bottom would make that clear.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI believe this is incorrect and was used as an insult by white people towards black people.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
You may be right about its origins, I don’t know. All I can tell you is was a term used throughout my grade school years, exclusively by black students to refer to other black students who’se hair was in cornrows instead of a full afro.
Thats a fact.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:24 pmReally? Then what was he doing in that HBO special last summer?
You know. The one where he did his “WHITE GUY IMPERSONATION�
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
I watch HBO comedy all the time. I don’t remember Richard Pryor I’ll give you that. But I’m pretty sure I would remember an Eddie Murphy special on HBO last year.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmdredging up old richard pryor bits? what happened to “drop it and move on”?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pmCarlos Mencia? INSULTS MOSTLY HISPANICS
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Now thats just not true Shane.
I am surprised you are willing to be dishonest to make a point.
Carlos Mencia does “MIND OF MENCIA”, on Comedy Central where he insults EVERY SINGLE RACE.
He goes through the streets insulting Asians, Jews, Latinos, Blacks, Whites and anything else he can think of.
You really are being untruthful here. Or ignorant.
Definately one of the two.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pmOK.
Online Etymology Dictionary – Cite This Source
Do we take the 1499 definition or the 1950 version?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pmdredging up old richard pryor bits? what happened to “drop it and move on�
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
I was ANSWERING a statement that these comedians don’t mock white people.
I wasn’t talking to you.
When I want you’re opinion on something, I’ll give it to you.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:32 pmYou know. The one where he did his “WHITE GUY IMPERSONATION�
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
The last standup special I can find on IMDBpro.com is 1984 on HBO. Maybe on IMDB.com you can find the special you’re talking about.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:34 pmThe issue at hand still remains the same.
Not one of you can SHOW me where ANY RACIST INTENT or CONTEXT exists from the ACTUAL VIDEO of IMUS’s show.
Not one.
You sit here and call him racist, and think yourselves erudite for it.
But all I see, is a bunch of self righteous white people trying to sound non-racist, by accusing a man of something he is not guilty of.
When you can DEMONSTRATE ANY RACIST CONTEXT, then do so.
I’m all ears.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pmstudents who’se hair was in cornrows instead of a full afro.
Thats a fact.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Well I’m older but I remember old white people using it against blacks. And since Imus is older than I am I assume he does too.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pm“When I want you’re opinion on something, I’ll give it to you.”
you’re going to ask me something and then give me my opinion?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:37 pmHe goes through the streets insulting Asians, Jews, Latinos, Blacks, Whites and anything else he can think of.
You really are being untruthful here. Or ignorant.
Definately one of the two.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
I haven’t watched him much and not recently but my point is you seem pretty sensitive when it’s white men who are the butt of the joke.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pm“But all I see, is a bunch of self righteous white people trying to sound non-racist, by accusing a man of something he is not guilty of.”
then why did imus apologize?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe last standup special I can find on IMDBpro.com is 1984 on HBO. Maybe on IMDB.com you can find the special you’re talking about.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Dig harder.
RAW was filmed in 1998.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI might have been looking at an old repeat of RAW last summer. Thats quite possible.
The point is, he mocks white people. Like thousands of black comics do.
And if you think they don’t then you’re either on drugs, or don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:40 pmyou’re going to ask me something and then give me my opinion?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Don’t hurt yourself.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:40 pm“RAW was filmed in 1998.”
really?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:41 pmYou sit here and call him racist, and think yourselves erudite for it.
But all I see, is a bunch of self righteous white people trying to sound non-racist, by accusing a man of something he is not guilty of.
When you can DEMONSTRATE ANY RACIST CONTEXT, then do so.
I’m all ears.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
The racism comes in when somebody uses a term like “nappy headed hos” in or out of context and doesn’t see it’s insulting. Imus said he realizes that he was wrong. And I’m fine with that. You’re the one who doesn’t think it was a mistake to use that phrasing and that’s hard to understand.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:41 pmthen why did imus apologize?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Because people like Gwen Ifil, and Al Sharpton, are demanding he does, and he thinks it will save his job.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pmRAW was filmed in 1998.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Umm…Release Date:18 December 1987 (USA)
April 10th, 2007 at 2:44 pmRAW was filmed in 1998.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Eddie Murphy Raw (1987) Sorry this comes right off the page of IMDBpro.com. That’s what did I say before, 20 years ago.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pm“When I want you’re opinion on something, I’ll give it to you.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
you’re going to ask me something and then give me my opinion?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Don’t hurt yourself.
Comment by WORFEUS”
huh? is this some old richard pryor bit?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYou’re the one who doesn’t think it was a mistake to use that phrasing and that’s hard to understand.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Now you’re going to bear false witness against me too?
Well I guess it should be expected, since you have no problem doing it with Imus.
Here slappy.
Try READING what I have said before making your ignorant accusations about me.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
The point is, he mocks white people. Like thousands of black comics do.
And if you think they don’t then you’re either on drugs, or don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
I guess I’m not as sensitive as you are. But for somebody so sensitive…well I’m just saying…
April 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pmEddie Murphy Raw (1987) Sorry this comes right off the page of IMDBpro.com. That’s what did I say before, 20 years ago.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Wow. Thats a big victory for you.
Eddie Murphy mocked white people 10 years earlier then I recalled.
Heckuvajob.
But you still haven’t answered to your untrue statements about Carlos Mencia or Chris Rock.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmI guess I’m not as sensitive as you are. But for somebody so sensitive…well I’m just saying…
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
I can tolerate ignorance so far. You have surpassed that tolerance level with this idiotic comment.
I NEVER SAID I WAS OFFENDED IT DUMBASS.
I ONLY SAID THEY DO IT.
Am I getting through to you yet genius?
April 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pmSometimes I don’t know what pisses me off more.
Inbred right wing neocons, or nansy pansy liberals who can’t tell their ass from a whole in the ground.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:53 pm“I can tolerate ignorance so far.”
you’re the one who watched “Raw” and thought it was from 1998.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:57 pmp.s.–when you use all caps and call people “dumbass”, you’re proving shane’s point about you being too sensitive.
@shane, comment #146: “I also think he is sexist as he wouldn’t call a men’s basketball team pimps. I have a right to my opinion. That’s all it is.”
If you really want to know, Imus DID call a men’s basketball team pimps. He called the Knicks “chest-bumping pimps”. I don’t really see how that would make it OK to you but there you are.
April 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmFor the people who have trouble differentiating between apples and oranges:
Using the term “ho” to refer to an UNNAMED IMAGINARY PEOPLE in a comedic skit is different, from using the term “ho” to refer to a NAMED REAL PEOPLE on a talk show!
April 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmBy the way, before you call him racist for the “chest-bumping” line, he is referring to the fact that the Knicks (used to?) celebrate by jumping in the air and bumping chests together.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:05 pmIf you really want to know, Imus DID call a men’s basketball team pimps. He called the Knicks “chest-bumping pimpsâ€. I don’t really see how that would make it OK to you but there you are.
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Well I don’t listen to or watch Imus so he’s not going to lose me from his demographics. I didn’t even know it was supposed to be comedy.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pmyou’re the one who watched “Raw†and thought it was from 1998.
p.s.–when you use all caps and call people “dumbassâ€, you’re proving shane’s point about you being too sensitive.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
When I saw RAW is not a topic of debate. I was making a simple point Einstein, and that point was that black comedians mock white people.
But like a inbred troll, you and your sidekick shane have siezed on the date of the Eddie Murphy special RAW as if it somehow was an integral component to our discussion. It is not.
My point is simple. Imus was not trying to be racist, therefore he should be punished for stupidty, and NOT RACISM.
It is a simple point, but since it is a point made by the trolls, your brain just can’t get around it.
You’re wrong here.
Gwen Ifil is wrong here.
Al Sharpton is wrong here.
And its people like you, who think yourselves above the crowd while you pander to the misguided rage of activists like Al Sharpton.
You make racism worse than it is, by saying its worse than it is.
And to me, thats as bad as the actual racist pigs who are out there.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI can tolerate ignorance so far. You have surpassed that tolerance level with this idiotic comment.
I NEVER SAID I WAS OFFENDED IT DUMBASS.
I ONLY SAID THEY DO IT.
Am I getting through to you yet genius?
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:51 pmSometimes I don’t know what pisses me off more.
Inbred right wing neocons, or nansy pansy liberals who can’t tell their ass from a whole in the ground.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
If being a “nansy pansy liberals” makes me sensitive to other people’s feelings then I can live with it.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWhen we stop inventing racism where it isn’t intended, then maybe we’ll heal race relations in this country.
But not until.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWORFEUS, I agree with you 100%. By making a huge national issue out of this, it is just breeding more racism. Does anyone not see this? What good is coming of this exposure (besides the inevitable ratings boost when Imus returns)?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:11 pmBut like a inbred troll, you and your sidekick shane have siezed on the date of the Eddie Murphy special RAW as if it somehow was an integral component to our discussion.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Wow I didn’t even know I was a sidekick or a troll. Thanks for letting me know. I didn’t need Sharpton or Jackson to know that Michael Richards was racist or Mel Gibson anti-Semitic.
I didn’t seize on the date of Raw, I had originally said it was 20 years ago and you said it wasn’t.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:15 pmYou seized on the later date. Perhaps you should take a deep breath.
“When we stop inventing racism where it isn’t intended, then maybe we’ll heal race relations in this country.”
so if female african-american teens across the country hear those statements and they got upset by them, then it’s their fault? they’re inventing racism where there isn’t any?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pmHere’s the point? Any person of a certain race that degrades individuals of the same or another race is completely wrong. If we criticize one person for using this type of language, then we must criticize all. That’s the real point. Are you guys able to comprehend my point?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIf being a “nansy pansy liberals†makes me sensitive to other people’s feelings then I can live with it.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Thats fine shane.
Just know this.
There are those of us out there who truly are NOT biased based on Party lines.
And just because our party takes a stance, doesn’t mean that I, or those who think like me will take that stance.
When the liberals become as closed minded as the republicans, and end up with stances, (like this one), that I just can’t side with, and the neocon trolls are in the right, you’ll find me joining in with the right wing trolls to denounce the fallacy of your position.
Right is not a republican or democratic principle. Right is just right, and wrong is just wrong.
And accusing Don Imus of racism when he really wasn’t trying to be a racist, is just wrong.
He was guilty of being stupid. He was guilty of being innappropriate. He was guilty of being insensitive.
But those who call him guilty of racism, are guilty of racism themselves.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pm“Old Hack” I see you totally missed the point that Spike Lee was trying to make. Take a deep breath and think about it for a moment from a frican-american perspective.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI didn’t seize on the date of Raw, I had originally said it was 20 years ago and you said it wasn’t.
You seized on the later date. Perhaps you should take a deep breath.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
No Shane, I quickly admitted I was off on the date. But pgw and you continue to turn to it as some proof of my being wrong, or ignorant, or both.
So I got a date off. Big deal. I am not googling frantically like you and pgw.
I am writing as I go.
But that stupid date is a distraction from the discussion, and has ZERO bearing on it. It is the type of minutia right wing trolls usually use to muddy the waters and obscure the facts.
And the fact I was heralding was ACCURATE.
Black comedians MOCK white people. They have been doing it for years, they are still doing it, and thats just a fact.
So do Latino comedians, asian comedians, and others.
See its acceptable to mock white people.
When we get to the point where it is acceptable to mock black people, then this countries race problem will be resolved.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pmwell chappelle and Rock say “the N word†does that mean they hate black people too?
Comment by old hack — April 10, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
It’s generally accepted that Italians can make Italian jokes and Irish can make Irish jokes but you don’t think blacks should be able to make black jokes. How white of you.
Comment by shane
It should be generally accepted in a melting pot that we take jabs at eachother whenever however we want. To get past hateful resentment we should heal our wounds with laughter. All ethnicities have somthing humorous about them and we should all be able to laugh and rejoice in our differences.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“No Shane, I quickly admitted I was off on the date. But pgw and you continue to turn to it as some proof of my being wrong, or ignorant, or both.”
actually, my point was that you’re one who said “drop it and move on” but were bringing up crap from 20 years ago.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmHere’s the point? Any person of a certain race that degrades individuals of the same or another race is completely wrong. Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
You degrade black people all of the time, that makes you a hypocrite.
If we criticize one person for using this type of language, then we must criticize all. That’s the real point. Are you guys able to comprehend my point? Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Then consider yourself criticized – bigot.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmso if female african-american teens across the country hear those statements and they got upset by them, then it’s their fault?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
You need to scroll up and try READING what I have said.
You have spent the last hour INVENTING a position for me that I never took.
I have said over and over that IMUS said something wrong.
You conveniently ignore those statements and instead substitute YOUR perceived postions for mine.
Go back and read what I said. I said the statements were wrong.
But I am not going to let people like you tell me he was being racist, when he clearly was not.
You are lying about Don Imus, and you are lying about me.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmRe: WORFEUS
Do you see a difference between mocking people in general and mocking specific people?
Or do you consider them to be one and the same?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmNo Shane, I quickly admitted I was off on the date. But pgw and you continue to turn to it as some proof of my being wrong, or ignorant, or both.
So I got a date off. Big deal. I am not googling frantically like you and pgw.
I am writing as I go.
But that stupid date is a distraction from the discussion, and has ZERO bearing on it. It is the type of minutia right wing trolls usually use to muddy the waters and obscure the facts.
And the fact I was heralding was ACCURATE.
Black comedians MOCK white people. They have been doing it for years, they are still doing it, and thats just a fact.
So do Latino comedians, asian comedians, and others.
See its acceptable to mock white people.
When we get to the point where it is acceptable to mock black people, then this countries race problem will be resolved.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
This reminds me of a specific episode on the Dave Chappelle show. Dave performed as a white supremacist named Clayton Bigsby, who made derogatory/degrading comments about African-Americans. Even though his comments were degrading, the comedy bit was hilarious. As African Americans, we must learn to remove racial paranoia from our everyday life. Once this happens, we will be able to fully live and enjoy life as the human race.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:30 pmIt should be generally accepted in a melting pot that we take jabs at eachother whenever however we want. To get past hateful resentment we should heal our wounds with laughter. All ethnicities have somthing humorous about them and we should all be able to laugh and rejoice in our differences.
Comment by old hack — April 10, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
AMEN.
Can you people see the logic in this?
Can you see the truth in it?
As long as we have to “walk on eggshells” when it comes to black people, we will never heal our racial divide.
I suggest pgw, AND Shane, watch a few episodes of MIND OF MENCIA.
You’ll learn something.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:31 pmIt should be generally accepted in a melting pot that we take jabs at eachother whenever however we want. To get past hateful resentment we should heal our wounds with laughter. All ethnicities have somthing humorous about them and we should all be able to laugh and rejoice in our differences.
Comment by old hack — April 10, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
AMEN.
Can you people see the logic in this?
Can you see the truth in it?
As long as we have to “walk on eggshells†when it comes to black people, we will never heal our racial divide.
I suggest pgw, AND Shane, watch a few episodes of MIND OF MENCIA.
You’ll learn something.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
I completely agree.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pmactually, my point was that you’re one who said “drop it and move on†but were bringing up crap from 20 years ago.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
No lamebrain.
I was talking to Shane, ANSWERING a comment about black comedians mocking whites.
He claimed he didn’t recall any. I
I illuminated him.
Then YOU, stuck your nose in, took one of my comments which were directed towards Gwen Ifil and Al Sharpton, and NOT you, and TWISTED it to fit your meaning.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:37 pm“I suggest pgw, AND Shane, watch a few episodes of MIND OF MENCIA.”
i suggest you take a sociology 101 course
April 10th, 2007 at 3:37 pm“Old Hack†I see you totally missed the point that Spike Lee was trying to make. Take a deep breath and think about it for a moment from a frican-american perspective.
Comment by marcus robinson
I see. So it’s not possible to reflect on statements in my own way? only in the original intention. Thats not the purpose of art.
Also it’s impossible for me to think of anything ‘fully from a Black persons (I refuse to say african american because spike lee is as african as I am Irish) perspective because I’m not black. I can guess what it must be like. Like when Eddie Murphy takes jabs at how up tight white people are. What I’m seeing mostly in this bloated non issue is more projected white guilt. Every ethnicity can make fun of whites all they want but because we’re the majority we just have to stand on the side lines and take it because 150 years ago some white people I’m in no way related to had slaves.
you need to take a deep breath and think about it from a white persons perspective.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:39 pmDo you see a difference between mocking people in general and mocking specific people?
Or do you consider them to be one and the same?
Comment by criticalthinker — April 10, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Of course theres a difference criticalthinker.
But the term MOCKING, does NOT apply to what Imus was doing.
Watch the video, and listen to what he says.
He was trying to compliment them in a homey folksy way. He was trying to “sound black”, and use terms he felt would endear him to them.
Hilary Clinton does the same thing. Ever hear her try to sound like a black woman?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:39 pm“I suggest pgw, AND Shane, watch a few episodes of MIND OF MENCIA.â€
i suggest you take a sociology 101 course
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Graduated 2nd in my class, 1986.
But what does that have to do with anything?
You can post till you’re blue in the face, but you have YET to demonstrate where Don Imus was BEING racist.
He said something that was a poor choice of words, but you have YET to SHOW ME, or ANYONE HERE, where the MALICE was.
You know why?
Cause you can’t.
Cause there was none.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWhen we stop inventing racism where it isn’t intended, then maybe we’ll heal race relations in this country.
Comment by WORFEUS
Sorry, there is no need to”invent” racism. It is alive and well. Imus was way over the line, and it was not the first time he has gone over it. He made promises before not to repeat this kind of crap.
Your excuses that other people do it does not make this instance right in the least.
Imus needs to be fired, because he is a habitual offender, like I said, this is not the first time for him. And the other networks need to clean up as well, by firing Beck, Limbaugh and other asshats of such ilk.
When we get to the point where it is acceptable to mock black people, then this countries race problem will be resolved.
Comment by WORFEUS
Calling the young women of a college basketball team “Hos” is not an acceptable form of comedy in my book. And there are not just black women on the team. His statement was degrading to all women in general.
You are on the wrong side of the issue here Worf.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“I suggest pgw, AND Shane, watch a few episodes of MIND OF MENCIA.â€
i suggest you take a sociology 101 course
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Grow up, and cease being racially paranoid. There’s more to life than having animosity toward another race because of past racial treatment. You’ll never enjoy life living in this type of manner.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“But what does that have to do with anything?”
because you have no concept of “the other”; because you seem to have problems empathizing beyond yourself.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI never said it was acceptable Wayne. I said it was wrong.
Go back and read what I said before jumping to the conclusion of which side of this debate I am on.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:45 pmI never said it was acceptable Wayne. I said it was wrong.
Go back and read what I said before jumping to the conclusion of which side of this debate I am on.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
WORFEUS, you can’t change Wayne’s views regarding racial humor. He’s a Al Sharpton/Rainbow Coalition/NAACP/Jesse Jackson loyalist.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pmAnd you are taking my statement about When we get to the point where it is acceptable to mock black people, then this countries race problem will be resolved. out of context.
It was not directed towards the IMUS sitution. If you think it was, then I challenge you to go back and show us where.
It was in response my statement that it is ok for any other race to mock white people, but if a white comedian mocks black people, then it is somehow bad.
Thats whats called a double standard, and there is no way to defend it.
What I am saying, is what Carlos Mencia is saying.
When we all unpucker our buttholes, and lighten up, then racism will be a problem of the past.
But as long as we are going to lie, and accuse people of being racist when they clearly are not, then we’ll always have a racial divide.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pm“But what does that have to do with anything?â€
because you have no concept of “the otherâ€; because you seem to have problems empathizing beyond yourself.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
PGW, if you expect me to decimate your positions, then you’re going to need to make one.
From this sentence, all I can extrapolate is you’re calling me a meany?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHe’s a Al Sharpton/Rainbow Coalition/NAACP/Jesse Jackson loyalist.
Comment by Daryll
Show me exactly where you draw this conclusion from what I wrote, you homophobic, hypocritical christo-fascist piece of sh*t.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmI’m on the verge of moving my family out of this country. I can’t take the negative issues anymore. Why can’t Americans get along?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pm“From this sentence, all I can extrapolate is you’re calling me a meany?”
that’s unfortunate. so if you graduated in ‘86, how could you not know that “Raw” was from ‘87?
April 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmso if female african-american teens across the country hear those statements and they got upset by them, then it’s their fault?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
how many female african-american teens were watching/listening to the Imus program before this story blew up? Were they affected by his comments before the media went into a frenzy? My question is, what are we accomplishing by crucifying Imus and putting him in the limelight? Is his sincere apology to the nation and to the Rutgers women, along with a 2-week suspension really not enough? Should he be stoned to death or something?
I really wish some of you would look into the causes the Imus supports, and the sheer generosity of the man. This fact is being overlooked.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWhat I am saying, is what Carlos Mencia is saying.
When we all unpucker our buttholes, and lighten up, then racism will be a problem of the past.
But as long as we are going to lie, and accuse people of being racist when they clearly are not, then we’ll always have a racial divide.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
I agree with what Carlos Mencia is trying to accomplish, but BOY is his show unfunny.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmAnd let me say this as well, as perchance the right wingers in here mistake my disagreement with Al Sharpton on THIS one issue, as a condemnation of him, Jesse Jackson or the Rainbow Coalition.
If you scroll up, you’ll see where I repeatedly said I like Al Sharpton. And I really do. Americans need Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons, to stand up when real bigotry rears its ugly head, and shout it into obscurity.
But there are times when Al is wrong, and this is one of them.
When he falsely attributues racial motives to a man who is clearly not racist, then he is doing a disservice to his cause, and to us all.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pm“
that’s unfortunate. so if you graduated in ‘86, how could you not know that “Raw†was from ‘87?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
So here we are, an hour later, and you are still badgering me about the date of RAW?
I saw RAW, for the first time, last summer on HBO. As I have REPEATEDLY SAID, I THOUGHT it was from 1998.
I was WRONG.
How that correlates into validating your position, is beyond me.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmHe’s a Al Sharpton/Rainbow Coalition/NAACP/Jesse Jackson loyalist.
Comment by Daryll
Show me exactly where you draw this conclusion from what I wrote, you homophobic, hypocritical christo-fascist piece of sh*t.
Comment by Wayne — April 10, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Why do people like yourself continue to dwell on these type of issues. I don’t care how people depict/characterize me. They’re just words. Before I left my parents home to attend college, my parents told me, “in life you will find that some people will like you and some will dislike you”. I could care less how people perceive me. I have to live life for my wife and myself. I can’t worry about anyone else. That’s why I’m able to enjoy each and every day, regardless if it’s a good/bad day.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmhow many female african-american teens were watching/listening to the Imus program before this story blew up?
Were they affected by his comments before the media went into a frenzy?
Comment by I-Train — April 10, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Exactly.
A point lost on PGW, but poignant nonetheless.
As I said earlier, people are mad, because people like Al Sharpton are telling them they should be mad.
When good people, like I know pgw and Shane are, STOP fanning the fires of racial hatred by inventing racist motives where none existed before, then maybe this country will start to heal on the racial thing.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pm“So here we are, an hour later, and you are still badgering me about the date of RAW?”
for someone preaching about the greatness carlos mencia’s work and referencing richard pryor’s ’70s bits, i figured you would’ve seen “Raw” in 1987, especially if you were 18 or 22 [graduation age] in 1986.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmBut if someone can SHOW ME, just WHERE Don Imus demonstrates MALICE OR some surrounding CONTEXT where RACISM is perceived, then I will be happy to reconsider my position on this one topic.
But for now, I am not about to slander a man as racist, when from the video evidence I”VE seen, I can see NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that malice or racism were intended by that remark.
All I see is a white guy, trying to sound black.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmRaw†in 1987, especially if you were 18 or 22 [graduation age] in 1986.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Talk about beating a dead horse.
Ok LADY. ONE MORE TIME.
I was my mid 20’s when I graduated College. We were blue collar. Daddy didn’t pay for school.
And maybe I did see it back then. As I said I saw it on HBO last summer, and THATS when I remembered it.
But you keep straining your RED HERRING, and try to divert all focus on a silly irrelevent date, that has nothing to do with yours or my positions.
God knows you can’t answer to my original and ongoing challange, to SHOW ME CONTEXT of ANY KIND to demonstrate racial motives in what Imus said.
God knows you can’t do that.
Just keep on slandering him, and thinking yourself better for it.
You’re Martin Luther King fan club secret decoder ring is in the mail.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pm“You’re [sic] Martin Luther King fan club secret decoder ring is in the mail.”
is that supposed to be funny?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:28 pmis that supposed to be funny?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Sadly no.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:34 pmGrow up, and cease being racially paranoid. There’s more to life than having animosity toward another race because of past racial treatment. You’ll never enjoy life living in this type of manner.
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Then why do you have so much racism towards your fellow african americans?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“Sadly no.”
mission accomplished.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:36 pmAnd yes I caught my typo after the fact.
See I hit and run here skippy. I don’t waste hours googling, and I don’t use spell checkers.
Spell checkers are for wimps.
But you keep clinging to your RED HERRING dates, and your typo’s.
God knows you can’t debate the issue.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmWhy do people like yourself continue to dwell on these type of issues. I don’t care how people depict/characterize me. They’re just words. Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
So when people point out that you’re a black homophobic closet gay man that is so full of self loathing on his race and sexual preference that he’s become a right wing bigot attacking his own, that’s just words? Well, no wonder your “JUST WORDS” are so hateful towards others.
Before I left my parents home to attend college, my parents told me, “in life you will find that some people will like you and some will dislike youâ€. Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Great excuse to spread hate yourself.
I could care less how people perceive me. Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
If that were true, you wouldn’t be so racist and homophobic. This is the opposite of your TRUTH Daryll. You care DEEPLY about what people think of you, and you believe if you act out from this place of bigotry, you will be ACCEPTED by the white religious leaders and people you idolize. You’re the worst kind of hypocrite.
I have to live life for my wife and myself. I can’t worry about anyone else. That’s why I’m able to enjoy each and every day, regardless if it’s a good/bad day. Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Yet you spend your life acting out of bigotry and hatred of others. You don’t live FOR your wife and yourself, you live AGAINST anyone that threatens your fantasy, and your delusions. You’re a whack job Daryll, that needs a psychiatrist.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pm“Sadly no.â€
mission accomplished.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Oh yea, and your one liners.
Your Red Herrings, your Typos, and your one liners that in no way address your position.
Because God knows you can’t address the issue.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pm“Because God knows you can’t address the issue.”
but you still think i’m “erudite”, right?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmGrow up, and cease being racially paranoid. There’s more to life than having animosity toward another race because of past racial treatment. You’ll never enjoy life living in this type of manner.
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Then why do you have so much racism towards your fellow african americans?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 10, 2007 @ 4:35
I do not have racist views toward my fellow race. I believe in using facts and logic to resolve issues vs. using minority groups.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAnd just because our party takes a stance, doesn’t mean that I, or those who think like me will take that stance.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
You know what F**k You. You don’t know me. I’m not following any effing party line.
Personally I don’t think there’s anything lower in America than White Trash. What’s the excuses for being born in this country where everything is at your fingertips and choosing to do nothing about it.
I said he should keep his job and you want to keep attacking me. There are lots of comedians I don’t watch because I find them offensive. Eddie Murphy’s Raw was one of those I turned off years ago.
That is my right. To not like people who make racist and sexist comments. I have never watched Imus and could care less what he said. But you think calling me names and insulting me is okay because you perceive I slandered Imus.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmbut you still think i’m “eruditeâ€, right?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Like a rock.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pmAnd that still did not address the issue.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmYet you spend your life acting out of bigotry and hatred of others. You don’t live FOR your wife and yourself, you live AGAINST anyone that threatens your fantasy, and your delusions. You’re a whack job Daryll, that needs a psychiatrist.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — April 10, 2007 @ 4:38
Valiant, Jesus isn’t a fantasy, he’s real. Did you attend church last Sunday?
April 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmI was talking to Shane, ANSWERING a comment about black comedians mocking whites.
He claimed he didn’t recall any. I
I illuminated him.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
I’m a woman. A 53 year old mother with a little girls. Perhaps that’s why I take the ho thing a little more personally than you think I should.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYou know what F**k You. You don’t know me. I’m not following any effing party line.
Personally I don’t think there’s anything lower in America than White Trash. What’s the excuses for being born in this country where everything is at your fingertips and choosing to do nothing about it.
I said he should keep his job and you want to keep attacking me. There are lots of comedians I don’t watch because I find them offensive. Eddie Murphy’s Raw was one of those I turned off years ago.
That is my right. To not like people who make racist and sexist comments. I have never watched Imus and could care less what he said. But you think calling me names and insulting me is okay because you perceive I slandered Imus.
Comment by A shamed — April 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
First, where did I attack you?
Please scroll up and SHOW US ALL, where I attacked YOU.
(hint: while you’re scrolling, be sure and linger on comment number 68)
There. Have you completed that assignment?
If not, stop reading and complete your task.
:|
I’m waiting.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHilary Clinton does the same thing. Ever hear her try to sound like a black woman?
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Hillary Clinton was reading a poem. You should know that.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmI’m a woman. A 53 year old mother with a little girls. Perhaps that’s why I take the ho thing a little more personally than you think I should.
Comment by shame — April 10, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
But earlier….
You know what F**k You.
Comment by sham — April 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
I think the boat kinda sailed on the Carol Brady thingy….
April 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pmhow come sometimes you’re “Worfeus” and other times “I Worfeus”?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pmp.s.–my “sidekick” is older than you.
how come sometimes you’re “Worfeus†and other times “I Worfeus�
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Because I haven’t updated the name on my laptop computer that I use on my desktop, and I changed rooms.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmp.s.–my “sidekick†is older than you.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Well I wouldn’t worry.
They’re doing wonders in geriatrics these days.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmHillary Clinton was reading a poem. You should know that.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Did somewhere in the poem she see the words embedded, “use hoaky black accent now” ?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“They’re doing wonders in geriatrics these days.”
you’re pushing toward 50 yourself, aren’t ya?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmGrow up, and cease being racially paranoid. There’s more to life than having animosity toward another race because of past racial treatment. You’ll never enjoy life living in this type of manner.
Comment by Daryll — April 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Then you don’t care if people call you an Uncle Tom. And who can do that, white people or black people. The lines really aren’t that fuzzy yet.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pmCarlos Mencia made a joke on his show a while back (I know a rarity, lol), about Hilary’s “accent”.
He used the video clip of her using her silly drawl, and said the following;
“This video is why white people, should never try to “sound black, hear that Vanilla Ice?”
And while the joke was small, the idea was huge.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pmAll I see when I see the Imus clip, is a white guy, trying to sound black.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmDid somewhere in the poem she see the words embedded, “use hoaky black accent now†?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Colloquialisms. That’s how the poem is written.
68. Imus calls them hos and Ifill a cleaning lady. Kind of seems like a pattern.
This is why you’re all bent out of shape. Because of this comment. I said I never watched the show and he should stay on the air. Sorry I was suggesting that he might be sexist in 68 not racist.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI was talking to Shane, ANSWERING a comment about black comedians mocking whites.
He claimed he didn’t recall any. I
I illuminated him.
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
I think the boat kinda sailed on the Carol Brady thingy….
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I wasn’t trying to be Carol Brady. I was responding to you calling me him and he.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAll I see when I see the Imus clip, is a white guy, trying to sound black.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
And yet you denigrate Hillary for what you perceive as doing the same thing. So white men can do it but not white women?
April 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThis is why you’re all bent out of shape.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
I’m bent out of shape?
You know what F**k You.
Comment by bent out of shane — April 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
April 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmI wasn’t trying to be Carol Brady. I was responding to you calling me him and he.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Fair enough. Sorry for the mistake. Shane just sounded like a guys name.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmSo white men can do it but not white women?
Comment by shame — April 10, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
And here I thought you were learning.
Go back up please, like I have asked you 100 times before, and SHOW US WHERE I SAID ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
Show us exactly WHERE I said that Don Imus could say this on the air.
And if you can’t please retract this misleading and untrutful post.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pmYou know shane, you and Gwen Ifil are the same age.
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I wondered why you responded to my telling HER to drop it.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI’m gonna say it one more time, and I hope people look past the fear, the discomfort, the rage and the hate, and listen to the words.
All I see when I see the Imus clip, is a white guy, a really, really white white guy, trying to sound black.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThis is not about Sharpton or Jackson. It is about a man who has access to the airwaves five days a week. In that capacity he potentially reaches millions of listeners a day who unfortunately are not able to distinguish between “comedy”or whatever Don Imus calls it.
Weak-minded and mean spirited people will hear what he said and in may circles including teens and younger people it will become the thing to say because of the controversy and will cause not only pain to the person who hears it, but possible pain to the person who repeats it.
That is the tragedy of this whole situation — a replacement phrase for the so-called “N” word.
April 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWell I’ll take nappyheaded over the “n” word anyday.
At least we can say nappyheaded when referencing it.
:D
April 10th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI asked a really cute black girl once what nappyheaded really meant.
She said it just means you look like you just woke up, and your hair is all matted down.
I don’t know that just doesn’t sound so terrible to me.
But then again, I like the word honky too.
Its hard to find a good biting insult that ends with the letter “y”
April 10th, 2007 at 6:16 pm#296,
Didn’t take long did it? Point proven.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:17 pmHilary Clinton does the same thing. Ever hear her try to sound like a black woman?
Comment by WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Carlos Mencia made a joke on his show a while back (I know a rarity, lol), about Hilary’s “accentâ€.
He used the video clip of her using her silly drawl, and said the following;
“This video is why white people, should never try to “sound black, hear that Vanilla Ice?â€
And while the joke was small, the idea was huge.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Did somewhere in the poem she see the words embedded, “use hoaky black accent now†?
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
All I see when I see the Imus clip, is a white guy, trying to sound black.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
April 10th, 2007 at 6:21 pmPoint proven.
Comment by SquarePeg — April 10, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Yea?
Well try combing your hair over it and maybe no one will notice.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:21 pmSo white men can do it but not white women?
Comment by shame — April 10, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
And here I thought you were learning.
Go back up please, like I have asked you 100 times before, and SHOW US WHERE I SAID ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
Show us exactly WHERE I said that Don Imus could say this on the air.
And if you can’t please retract this misleading and untrutful post.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
I didn’t say anything about “on the air” and Hillary wasn’t “on the air” when she did it.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI asked a really cute black girl once what nappyheaded really meant.
She said it just means you look like you just woke up, and your hair is all matted down.
I don’t know that just doesn’t sound so terrible to me.
But then again, I like the word honky too.
Its hard to find a good biting insult that ends with the letter “yâ€
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
The fact that you would say this to a really cute black girl is enlightening. And because she didn’t slap you you think her feelings weren’t hurt?
And you don’t think you’re a racist either?
April 10th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI didn’t say anything about “on the air†and Hillary wasn’t “on the air†when she did it.
Comment by shamed — April 10, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Yea skippy?
I’m proud of ya….
Now go back and show us just WHERE I said that even NOT on the AIR?
WELL??????
April 10th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAnd because she didn’t slap you you think her feelings weren’t hurt?
Comment by ashamed— April 10, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
I know they weren’t.
She was calling her sister it.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:33 pmAnd you don’t think you’re a racist either?
Comment by a real shame — April 10, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
And there it is.
There it is folks, in all its glory.
The “r” word.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThey pull it like a pistol.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThe “r†word.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Hey I don’t think Imus is a racist. That’s what you wanted isn’t it.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:38 pmThey pull it like a pistol.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
So you hide behind this and then anything you say cannot be racist.
Oh, and I HOPE you’re on the Imus payroll. Because you acted just like a troll today
April 10th, 2007 at 6:40 pmWhen we’re done being ashamed of our differences, then racism will die.
I’m done. I think our differences are cool. I think they’re great in fact.
And I agree with Carlos Mencia, that we should celebrate our differnces, not make taboo or monsters of them.
IF Don Imus, had meant a racist intent or tone when he said it, then that would be a different matter.
But upon reviewing the tape, I see no evidence that Imus meant anything other than trying to sound cool and streety while complimenting the team on their toughness and street credit.
I don’t see any racism, sexism, nazism, buddahism or even criticism for that matter.
I just see a white guy trying to sound like a black guy, and trying to act cool.
And I see him doing it very poorly.
But I don’t see Mark Furhman, as he’s been compared to in this thread.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:41 pmDo I despise white people?
…many of them (not all)…
…those that I do are called Republican, Independent, and Democratic social “conservatives”…
…I despise them because they hate:
…my Blackness- even though THEIR ancestors kidnapped, raped, and murdered MY ancestors, and they would exterminate my kind in a heartbeat if they could (without repercussions)…
…people who are homosexual (who God made)…
…poor working class Mexicans- who only want back what was taken from them by force…
…Indians- the rightful OWNERS of this land, whom they (racist white men) betrayed and all but exterminated…
…and pretty much anyone or anything DIFFERENT from themselves…
…EVEN their backwards, STEPFORD, bare-foot/pregnant white women slaves…
…who benefitted mostly from the suffering of the Black Civil Rights activists, and now that they’ve moved up in the corporate world (like Black self-hating Republican conservative TRAITORS) now want to roll back those gains/opportunities for others…
…NOW supporting and claiming to be “conservative Republicans”…
…they (social conservatives) are (in my opinion) hateful inbreeders, ignorant isolationists (unless they can TAKE something- natural resources- that will benefit them and their breed), murderers, racists, and hypocrites…
…Imus has NO First Amendment right on the FCC controlled airwaves…
…if that was the case then WHY was CBS fined for Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction?
…Imus, Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly et al. all have a responsibility to ALL of the people in this country to be “responsible” in their pronouncements…
…because of the POWER the PRIVILEGE of DAILY being given a voice to express opinions on air to millions affords them…
…Why do you think that Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, O’Reilly et al. (who I suspect would dearly love to if they could without consequence)…
…don’t say outright to their inbred, ignorant, warmongering, murderous, racist, redneck, base….
…”Kill every Liberal/Progressive, anti-War, illegal immigrant, fa***t and ni***r TRAITOR you can find”?
…they don’t because they understand that there are consequences to pay for such irresponsible hate-speech,especially should something happen that could directly be traced back to their words (see Nathan Hale and the KKK)…
…A post above says Imus has said that Bush and Cheney should be executed for war crimes…
…this is not a racist pronouncement, it is a LEGAL one…
…many say that Imus does a lot for Black children at his camp for kids with cancer (and is by implication a non-racist)…
…that’s a matter of personal interpretation what constitutes “a lot”, and does not illuminate his reasons for doing so (maybe he does so to cover his racist guilt or bury it?)…
…and it CERTAINLY does not give him the license to use racist statements on the air…
…I say this…
…IF Imus stays on the air fine and good, it wouldn’t surprise me given the fact that so many people in this country get their talking points from drug addled racists and bigots, and are by and large HYPOCRITES of the first order…
…but I’d like to see Black, Hispanic, Asian, Arab and other ethnic minorities…
…given DAILY license to exercise THEIR first amendment rights on air as the hacker bobs, old hacks, Dales and Darylls like to crow about…
…like a Louis Farrakhan, a Hugo Chavez, a young Fidel Castro, how about O.J., or a Leonard Pelletier?…
…Let’s be FAIR and BALANCED…
…instead of perpetuating white male privilege…
…that is the root of all EVIL in this country (and debate on race)…
…and if my description of social conservatives are seen as offensive…
…I apologize…
…that should make it alright…
…right?
April 10th, 2007 at 6:42 pmOh, and I HOPE you’re on the Imus payroll. Because you acted just like a troll today
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
I acted the same way I do every day.
I stated my opinion.
Sorry if I can’t jump on your hate Don Imus bandwagon.
I don’t love him. I don’t hate him. I seldom listen to him.
I just don’t see the racist intent people are attributing to him.
If you’re saying you don’t see it either, then what the hell were you arguing with me for over the last 4 hours?
April 10th, 2007 at 6:45 pm…I apologize…
…that should make it alright…
…right?
Comment by big papa — April 10, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Amen, sir.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:47 pmSorry if I can’t jump on your hate Don Imus bandwagon.
I don’t love him. I don’t hate him. I seldom listen to him.
I just don’t see the racist intent people are attributing to him.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
I told you several times that I didn’t think he should be fired.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:51 pmBut I did see the grils basketball players say that he hadn’t apologized to them.
And you think because there was no racist intent the story should be dropped.
I think those girls deserve a personal apology from him.
So you hide behind this and then anything you say cannot be racist.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
No, because I’m not a racist. Its people like you, the “lablers” who lable everyone who won’t agree with you on every position.
And just because I don’t agree with your “hate the man” stand, doesn’t mean I support racist speech.
April 10th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI told you several times that I didn’t think he should be fired.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
I know and I saw it so what are you cryin about?
April 10th, 2007 at 6:56 pm“All I see when I see the Imus clip, is a white guy, a really, really white white guy, trying to sound black.
Comment by I WORFEUS — April 10, 2007″
what does “black” sound like?
April 10th, 2007 at 6:58 pmAnd you think because there was no racist intent the story should be dropped.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Well I don’t think CNN has devote half a dozen news cycles to it. I mean they’re dissecting the guys life for Petes sake.
Could you stand up under that type of scrutiny? Could anyone?
They’re acting like he shot someone, meanwhile real news about people dying is being put aside to show us what size baby booties Don Imus wore.
Don Imus has shown he’s has a inflamatory mouth.
Thats why he has a show.
But to make any more out of what appears to be a completely benign comment to me is a disgrace.
And it does nothing but further segregate our country.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pmwhat does “black†sound like?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Yo mama
April 10th, 2007 at 7:02 pmBut I did see the grils basketball players say that he hadn’t apologized to them.
Comment by shane — April 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Another lie.
I watched him apologize to them on the air yesterday. He did it with Al Sharpton and I know you’ve seen the clip.
Why are you trying to smear Don Imus?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:04 pmI think only one or two were there, or it was there family or something, but someone was there.
Anway he did it live on the air and I saw it on tv. He said he was very very sorry, over and over.
I’m sorry I do believe constitutes an apology.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pm“Yo mama”
that’s clever. you sure you graduated #2?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:10 pmthat’s clever. you sure you graduated #2?
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Well if thats what you’re down to then I’ll move on. You’re boring me now.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:15 pm“Well if thats what you’re down to then I’ll move on.”
you’re the one who said “yo mama”, among other similarly erudite things
April 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pmyou’re the one who said “yo mamaâ€,
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Yo mama was dual fold in nature. It answered your question as well as amused me.
Whether it amused you or not is irrelevant.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmwhat amuses me is that you’re in your mid-40s and you posted something that started out “I asked a really cute black girl once…” and watch a lot of carlos mencia.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:44 pmI saw racist intent in Michael Richards nightclub tirade.
I had no reason to suspect him of being a racist, but his speech that night clearly had “racist intent”.
I do not see any signs of that intent in Imus’s statement.
If you can’t see the difference between the two, then I’m sorry.
But I do.
April 10th, 2007 at 7:44 pmA Virginia Senator made what I consider to be a more racist statement than Imus did, and he didn’t have to step down from the Senate.
But a DJ makes an off the cuff remark and we’re having national meetings, devoting 24/7 news cycles to it, calling for his head?
Every F$#$#ING channel I turn to is IMUS IMUS IMUS.
You’d think he wearing sawastikas and burning crosses on the mall grounds the way we’re treating this.
He said “nappyheaded hos”. Then he said he was sorry.
Whats the big deal?
Who got hurt here other than Imus?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:49 pmwhat amuses me is that you’re in your mid-40s and you posted something that started out “I asked a really cute black girl once…†and watch a lot of carlos mencia.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
What does that have to do with the debate?
Are you now reduced to the republican tactic of being unable to attack the message so you attack the messenger?
Do you think I really care whether you believe im in my mid 40’s or not?
Don’t you think maybe I say somethings to be purposefully silly to impact a point, or just to joke around?
Whats wrong with watching Carlos Mencia? Is there some rule against people over 40 watching him?
Is your butthole always puckered this tight?
April 10th, 2007 at 7:53 pmwhat’s your “message”? that you didn’t know “nappyheaded” was demeaning toward african-americans, so therefore imus didn’t do anything wrong? your ignorance is imus’s defense? you should take your “message” to the streets. maybe you can even “sound black” while you’re doing it.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pmwhat’s your “message� that you didn’t know “nappyheaded†was demeaning toward african-americans, so therefore imus didn’t do anything wrong? your ignorance is imus’s defense? you should take blah blah blah blah blah.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Why do I need to answer. You seem to be able to ask me my position and state it for me in the same paragraph so what do you need my actual words for?
If you want my “message” scroll up and read genius.
My message is the same as it was since I came in here.
You are blowing out of proporation something that was not intended to be malicious and you are attributing racism where racism doesn’t exist, thus demaning the actual war against racism and hurting the overall cause of ridding our country of racism and prejudice.
THATS the message, and if you could actually read instead of just invent, then you’d see that message in every post.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pm“You are blowing out of proporation something that was not intended to be malicious and you are attributing racism where racism doesn’t exist, thus demaning the actual war against racism and hurting the overall cause of ridding our country of racism and prejudice.
THATS the message, and if you could actually read instead of just invent, then you’d see that message in every post.”
i know what your position is. but maybe you should go to a high school girls’ basketball game in a predominately african-american area and ask the people there whether they thought what imus said was racist or if they take offense to the term ‘nappyheaded hos.’ i know what your position is, but think beyond your self.
April 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmi know what your position is. but maybe you should go to a high school girls’ basketball game in a predominately african-american area and ask the people there whether they thought what imus said was racist or if they take offense to the term ‘nappyheaded hos.’ i know what your position is, but think beyond your self.
Comment by pgw — April 10, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
I know what their position is. Its given to them by Al Sharpton. I live in DC in case you forgot, and the black community is a tight community here. And they listen to Al Sharpton and when he says they should be mad, they get mad. Thats why he’s such a great organizer. And right now people are mad.
Which is precisly what I am saying. Blowing this out of proportion can get people hurt. And I am not talking about their feelings. These are volatile times and I was here in the 60’s when they were even worse, so I am telling you, it is time to stop fanning the fires of racism before you do some damagewe can’t recover from.
There is enough real racism out there without creating it where it doesn’t exist.
And it is not in this statement, and at no time do I see Don Imus donning a hood and persecuting the black people. This was an offcolor comment, no more. It was meant to be nice, it came out wrong, and we’ve been dedicating 24\7 news cycles to it ever since.
Meanwhile, the white and black communities grow further and further apart.
April 10th, 2007 at 9:43 pm# 332 – Comment by FILTHY TROLL WHOREFEUS — April 10, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
“…they listen to Al Sharpton and when he says they should be mad, they get mad.”
So let me see if I get this straight: the black community cannot think for itself, but of course you CAN think for yourself because you are WHITE! (NOT TO MENTION ARROGANT, POMPOUS, AND UNABLE TO SEE BEYOND YOUR NOSE!)
Imus is a piker when it comes to being a racist, mean-spirited fool, you’ve got him beat butt-down, FILTHY TROLL WHOREFEUS!
UNDER THE BRIDGE, NASTY TROLL!
April 11th, 2007 at 3:47 am…but I’d like to see Black, Hispanic, Asian, Arab and other ethnic minorities…
…given DAILY license to exercise THEIR first amendment rights on air as the hacker bobs, old hacks, Dales and Darylls like to crow about…
…like a Louis Farrakhan, a Hugo Chavez, a young Fidel Castro, how about O.J., or a Leonard Pelletier?…
As you want to try to paint me as a racist, I’ll reply.
Farrakhan, O.J. or Leonard Pelletier, Fine. I could care less if a minority has a radio show. It really does not effect my life. Let them get a radio gig, get the sponsors, and get a national show. Like everyone else in the business, they have to earn their position. Like Tom Joyner, Larry Elder, Al Sharpton, Rosie O’Donnel, etc. No problem.
As for Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, the First Amendment does not apply. See our Constitution is only valid within our borders.
Imus was stupid. Period. I do not think that there was malicious intent. I see, if anything, that it was more sexist than racist. Remember, the white girls on the team were also refered to as “nappy headed hos”. But we will just be upset for the black being offended.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:27 amFILTHY TROLL WHOREFEUS!
UNDER THE BRIDGE, NASTY TROLL!
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 3:47 am
Yes.
Anyone who disagrees with your position on this is a filthy troll.
You’re soooooo “progressive”.
Sieg Heil, bitch.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:00 amCNN is devoting 24/7 news cycles to this crap.
Right now we are hearing the life stories of these poor mistreated “college students”.
They are sooooo damaged by this remark by Don Imus. I am listening to Essence Carson, the captian of the team, crying about how she and the team was “soooooo hurt”.
Give me a break.
If these college students are soooooooo hurt by one little poorly phrased compliment by a shock jock, maybe we should all chip in to buy them glass bubbles to live in, so they won’t have to deal with life.
This is a joke.
The team is acting like a bunch of spoiled prima donna’s.
And you people are doing nothing but feeding the frenzy for molehill you have all turned into a mountain.
Heckuvajob.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:05 amOh wait.
hteryya called me “white”.
OMG.
What to do?
I’m not white, so she’s insulted my heritage…… ohhhh ohhhhhh
I am sooooooooo hurt…………….
Someone send me a latino activist please, so I can take up the airways and blubber like a spoiled prima donna because someone said something about me…
ohhhhhhhhhh
Its soooooooo hurtfull
April 11th, 2007 at 11:09 amIn ancient Israel, the Israelites had a custom of the killing of the “SAIR”, or the “Scapegoat”.
Each year, a goat was selected, and a ceremony which laid the sins of the people on this one single goat.
Then they took the goat to a high place and pushed it off the cliff.
So you guys got your scapegoat.
A single old man who an entire country is casting their guilt and shame from their own inherint racism.
Time to push him off the cliff.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:17 amLet’s get this straight: Imus is a racist and a bigoted fool, but this time he was caught being a white supremest, like WHOREFEUS, who thinks because he is WHITE, he can think for himself, but that those NOT of his color can only do what Rev. Al Sharpton tells them to.
Imus has shown This attitude of white supremacy for all the world to see MANY times. It has been so reprehensible that Imus even to a pledge to stop spouting white supremacy crap. Of course he can’t, it is rooted down deep in his soul and he is powerless to stop it.
This time he picked on a female basketball team, because he is brainless and foolish. He picked the wrong target. Anyone of the ladies who spoke yesterday makes 1,000,000 of the little brainless creep Imus and his waterboy, WHOREFEUS. (How many Imuses and WHOREFEUSes it would take to make ONE Gwen Ifill, the actual subject of this thread, I shudder to think.)
You see, it is NOT the color of your skin; it is the content of your character. And when it comes to character, Imus and WHOREFEUS are CONTENT-LESS!
Of course, WHOREFEUS did accompish his goal; he distracted the thread from Gwen Ifill and onto HIMSELF and Imus. Like Imus, WHOREFEUS can’t stop babbling and spouting out of his sick soul.
UNDER THE BRIDGE, SOUL-SICK TROLL!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:54 amstop spouting white supremacy crap
Comment by hterrya — April 11, 2007 @ 11:54 am
You’re a liar.
To accuse Imus of being a “white supremist” because he has made a few off color is disgusting, and you sicken me.
It is nansy pansy self righteous bigots like you who fan racism and create it where it wasn’t before. You work people up to hatred, divide the communities and spread false hate speech against others and demonize anyone not willing to see your point.
If the right wing trolls disagree with you, then fine. Call me a right wing troll.
I’d rather be labled thus than be numbered amongst the hate spreaders like you.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:02 pmSUPREME AGAIN, aren’t you WHOREFEUS? Now over me. SICK!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThere are gnostic writings that indicate Jesus felt the worst sin of all, was to “Bear false witness”.
If thats true, then you are the worst sinner of all.
Worse than the racists. Worst than the bigots. Worse than even the neonazi’s.
At least they admit where they stand.
But your racism witch hunt is whats really hurting this country, and keeping the racial divide alive.
When people stop listening to people like you and start learning to brush off the “small stuff”, then maybe race relations will heal.
But not if you have anything to say about it.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#343 – Comment by TROLL WHOREFEUS — April 11, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
“When people stop listening to people like you …”
And Rev. Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jesse Jackson, and anyone YOU disagree with (because you ARE SUPREME, and this thread is all about YOU!), but not Imus, because you share his same sick soul.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmYou’re the one who can’t seem to stop talking to me jackass.
April 11th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI’m sick of people bringing up Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson where the Imus comments are concerned. For the record, Al Sharpton paid, in public opinion & money, for his part in the Tawanna Brawley controversy in NYC many years ago. He was sued by the wrongly accused and he paid without whining. Jessie Jackson used the term “heimy-town” depicting Jews in NYC in a private conversation that was leaked to the press. He paid in public opinion. Neither was speaking from a publicly supported platform @ the time. Imus’s comments suggest a deeper, more insidious racism that is present in white America today that African-Americans experience every day. It is a mindless, disregard for blacks in every industry & profession & it has become popular to react this way. It is the reason that respect for America has declined worldwide. We simply don’t practice @ home what we preach to the rest of the world. The US once produced one-third of the world’s college graduates & now we only produce 14%. The ladies of the Rutger’s basketball team will be part of that 14%. They should be celebrated for their academic and athletic achievements not ridiculed by 2 unattractive men, who, if they were female, wouldn’t even be on TV. Thank God Imus is gone from MSNBC. Hopefully, CBS will follow suit or feel the economic heat. Finally, when is it credible for a 66-year old man to adopt his code of conduct from a rapper?
April 11th, 2007 at 8:50 pmI’m sick of people bringing up Al Sharpton & Jessie Jackson where the Imus comments are concerned. For the record, Al Sharpton paid, in public opinion & money, for his part in the Tawanna Brawley controversy in NYC many years ago
Comment by mimi — April 11, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Mimi.
You don’t think Imus is paying tenfold in opinion or money?
He got fired! He lost it all. His entire show!!! Over one little comment that was never intended to be racist!!!
Meanwhile, Al Sharpton is planning a protest this weekend!!
The guy is dead and they’re still trying to hang him.
Al Sharpton is fanning the fires of racism by attributing it to a statement where none was intended.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI find it interesting that whenever a white person in the public eye makes a ignorant, prejudiced, sometimes racist remark about black ppl, white ppl are the first ones to say that an apology is all that is required. But, let someone say ANYTHING even slightly negative about Jewish people and the world stops and the holocust is brought up as a future event that would happen if the negative remarks about Jews were to continue. And the person who made the remark is presented to the public as a horrible person (ex Mel Gibson) Why the double standard? No one, should have to put up with remarks such as the one Imus said. And those who decide to make prejudiced remarks about any race or religion should have to face up to all consequences, no matter how harsh.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:38 pmIn following this story, I have been absolutely amazed at the degree of ignorance as to why the (now infamous) comments made by Imus are so insulting. Many have been hiding behind the “slavery ended a long time ago, everyone should just get over it” or “black men say the same thing about black women” excuses. We should not be tolerant of degrading comments about women period. But more to the point, the phrases/words being discussed are rooted in black caricature which was created by white southerners for the purpose of subjugating blacks and attempting to convince all parties involved that blacks were inherently inferior. (That includes the portrayal of blacks as subhuman/animalistic, brutes and mammies.) Caricature has had a devastating psychological impact over the last 200+ years. But, no one has to take my word for it–author Marilyn Kern-Foxworth has written an entire book on this topic. And, of course, there are the numerous visual artists who have devoted their lives to working against the aforementioned stereotypes precisely because they are considered so problematic.
Lastly, it is insulting to assume that those who are speaking out against Imus aren’t equally concerned about the denigration of women in the context of hip-hop. Check out Byron Hurt’s documentary that recently aired on PBS before you cry “double standard”: http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/
April 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmGwen Ifill, what kind of a world do you live in? She’s on meet the press, right now, on my television, talking about Imus. Yes Imus is a jackass, but so is she, and the Reverend Al and Reverend Jackson. African Americans are part of society now, and they have equal rights. There’s still friction between the two communities yet when there’s no burning slurs on the books, we love to pretend its fine. Then we have an incident and the Reverend’s cant get enough face time and someone goes on TV and complains. If they feels blacks are a part of society and have all the rights and responsibilities thereunder then they need to stop pretending they’re a special group of victims whenever something hurtful is said. You can’t be a member of society only when you want to. All or nothing. So please, grow up and shut up. Now.
April 15th, 2007 at 10:49 amGod Bless Gwen Ifill. I support constructive, empowering, positive
April 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmleadership role-models (especially by example) like Gwen.
The black community has too many so-called leaders like Al Sharpton and
Jesse Jackson who share Don Imus’s cynical culture of vulgar name-calling
and cruelty. That culture only immobilizes people in a negative morass
of “I’m a powerless victim” self-pity. The heck with that!
Gwen Ifill for President! You Go Girl!
Hi Gwen,
Caught you on nbc talk today, you impressed the hell out of me, and I am sure many others in the audience.
I believe you had the rest of the group following your lead on the Imus discussion.
Keep up the good work, and hope to see more of you.
Jack
April 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pmIt’s interesting to read the thread of the conversation here. There seemed to be more support for Imus before his show’s sponsor ads were pulled, his two week suspension and his subsequent firing from MSNBC and CBS. I don’t sympathize with Imus, he was a bully and finally he was repremanded for the racist schtick that made him famous. This is America, I have no doubt he will be back but, hopefully, on the fringes of the media. Thankfully, there are responsible, intellectual journalist like Gwen Ifill that set an example for all journalists about higher standards in media.
May 3rd, 2007 at 1:51 pm