Group Now Smearing Pelosi Was Led By Swift Boat Funder Sam Fox
Group Now Smearing Pelosi Was Led By Swift Boat Funder Sam Fox
The conservative group currently running an ad campaign attacking Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) for her visit to Syria was headed until January by Sam Fox, the Swift Boat Vets funder whom President Bush has appointed as Ambassador to Belgium.
Fox infamously gave $50,000 to the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, which smeared Sen. John Kerry’s (D-MA) military service and claimed his combat medals were undeserved. Fox also served as National Chairman of the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) for six years. He stepped down in January after being nominated for the ambassadorship by President Bush.
Contacted by ThinkProgress, a spokeswoman for the RJC would not rule out that Fox was involved in the ad, saying only that “as far as I know,” Fox was not connected.
The RJC television ad on Pelosi highlights the baseless Washington Post editorial and contains no mention of the five Republicans who also traveled to Syria last week. The ad’s tag line: “Tough? No. Dangerous and very wrong.”
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Well, for a lying, fact manufacturing shill of the Republican Party, he has an appropriate name.
Fox, we distort, you drink the Kool-Aid.
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 12:06 pmGSD gets it in one. (And of course in the ad there’s NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of the scads of Republicans racking up their frequent-flyer miles going in and out of Damascus over the past few weeks and months.)
April 11th, 2007 at 12:11 pmIs someone surprised by this?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:11 pmAh, the universal administration disclaimer, again.
as far as I know…
April 11th, 2007 at 12:12 pmRegardless of the funding source(s), if Pelosi is guilty of treason, she should be tried, convicted, and executed.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThese guys are pigs. It’s time for the american people to let them know that they do not represent us, that we feel their actions are disgusting (Like Imus’s!) and this campaign will be about the candidate who DOES NOT engage in swiftboating tactics.
They’re living up to their moniker: GOPigs! They’re desperate and irrelevant so that’s how desperate men begin to act. Irrelevancy and desperation (ego control) translate into hideous activities and disgusting depths to which these thugs will go.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:12 pmYep, Fox’s real name is very descriptive – except that he will be “out-foxed” by the people who are onto his game. This guy looks like a criminal and acts like one. It’s no wonder the people have rejected him.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:13 pmRepublican Jewish Coalition – – Isn’t that like Greatest Jewish Sports Legends?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:13 pmLet’s find out precisely who the other five Republicans were? Let’s find out about the ones whose visit preceeded Pelosi’s so they could begin to strongarm Assad into not divulging what he knows about how we are outsourcing torture….let’s open that huge can of worms for the Republican Party. When that happens, there will be no need for a campaign because absolutely NO Republican will EVER be elected to public office in this country again.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThe republican Jewish Coalition makes Jews as a whole look bad when they put out this garbage.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe editors at the Washington Post are GOPigs??
April 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIn troll speak, then Bush & Cheney should be found quilty of treason, too…ahahahahaha! What a deluded dweeb.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pmand Dub wants to appoint this guy as an ambassador? well.. the ASS part is right.
ITMFA!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pm#5 Jakey Boy,
You are so funny sometimes. Where do you get your material anyway? Oh yea, from Faux NoNooz, Coultergeist and the Rusher’s Smear and Fear radio broadcast from the Repug Radio Corporation.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#5…
April 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmWTF are you talking about?!
Notice there are not screams of protest from Republicans about the fact that Dick Cheney’s Halliburton announced YESTERDAY that they just finished working in Iran.
Yep, Dick Cheney has been getting money from Axis of Evil member Iran all these years….Isn’t that being soft on terrorism?
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmRegardless of the funding source(s), if Pelosi is guilty of treason, she should be tried, convicted, and executed.
Comment by Jake
You’re one tree short of a hammock, Jake. You just can’t seem to wrap your little mind around the fact that Pelosi did nothing wrong. Quite to the contrary, we need more Congressmen to be seen reaching out in this fashion. After six years of GDumbya and the Keystone Kops, we have virtually no diplomatic leverage and no respect left. Someone has to help regain it — surely GDumbya and Condoleeeeeeeeezza are incapable.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmthen the illustrious “fab five” thugs who accompanied her who are Republican should be tried and convicted of treason, too…..and then the group who were sent there to preceed Pelosi’s visit to squelch any disclosure of our secret torture tactics should also be tried and convicted for treason, too….what deluded, ridiculous logic and absence of legitimate thought processes these sick trolls indulge in…..it’s pretty pathetic!
Since Jake-off is on the thread, then I guess Firehead and his other MPD idiots cannot be….heh-heh.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmFor the record, if either Bush or Cheney are guilty of treason, they should be impeached and convicted as well.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI have any idea…
April 11th, 2007 at 12:19 pmIf they are so concerned with foreign policy, let’s give these bloviating bushsitters some rubber rafts and see how swiftly they can patrol the Rio Grande/Texas border.
Hey, it doesn’t take much to be appointed “Ambassador” – look at Pamela Willeford, The Dick, Cheney’s little trysty Swiss Miss with whom he was playing house when he shot his friend in the face. We KNOW her qualifications……round heels.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:19 pmP.S. where I come from, aid and comfort to the enemy DURING A WAR (by the Speaker of the House no less) was always considered “wrong” YMMV no doubt.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pmoh, hil. i’m so proud. you catch on very quickly! but, remember, impeach cheney first!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThis WH is patently stupid these days because they are scrambling around trying to put out brush fires engulfing them and making some very serious errors in justment…..it’s the classic case of “be careful what you ask for”….in dissing Pelosi for her trip, they indict five of their own….not too smart…..in producing heavily redacted correspondence with obvious “gaps” in the chronology, they only shine the light of closer scrutiny on what they are doing which is criminal…..oh well…desperate people do desperate things…this White House and GOP are mid-implosion….
Let the subpoenas, investigations, indictments and prison time continue……horrah!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#15…
April 11th, 2007 at 12:21 pm“Halliburton just finished working in Iran….”
(Uh oh, this means they are getting ready to go in and blow everything up, so that they can start all over again………)
“Ambassador”….?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pmSince this troll hails from URANUS, whatever he has to say about where he comes from is totally irrelevant.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pm#18.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pmBut not executed?
Raven, that was what I felt this was a harbinger of. Halliburton would take the gold out of dead peoples teeth…but now that they are leaving Iran, looks like they are getting out of Dodge.
There is also talk in Israel about another summer war with Hezbollah.
Never ending war for never arriving peace with these foolish hawks.
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 12:27 pmOf course! Those who can’t do, smear.
Give ‘em hell, Nancy!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThe republican Jewish Coalition makes Jews as a whole look bad when they put out this garbage.
Comment by josh — April 11, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Who even knows if this is a true “Jewish” Coalition. Jewish people traditionally are Democrats. This coalition is probably Fox, Rumsfeld, Rove, Cheney etal.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pmOnce again the tag line more accurately describes Bush’s policy, “Tough? Hell, NO! Dangerous and very wrong.” He has the foriegn policy of a three year old brat.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#21 JAKE
Who said ANYTHING about AID or comfort?! you’re just making things up now. Diplomacy is not synonymous with “hand outs†This is how you apply pressure to any potential threat. You have to make your stance known by talking directly to them. How can you expect to make any progress on the issue if the lines of communication aren’t open!?
You make no sense and as far as “Where you’re fromâ€, my guess is Crazy Town
ITMFA!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:31 pmIt seems to me that the more noise the repubs make about Pelosi, the more awareness will be raised about how ineffective (or completely lacking) the cheney/rove/bush international diplomacy has been. I think most Americans see the value of talking to someone to resolve issues, and only the most rabid bushies continue to believe that cheney/rove/bush have been effective in dealing with terrorism and virtually all the other major issues facing this country. Americans have wised up. . . . cheney/rove/bush and their pals are still in the old world.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:32 pmConflict capitalism. Supply all sides with weapons, till they demolish themselves (again) so that the corporate complexes can go in and rebuild at taxpayers expense. (again)
April 11th, 2007 at 12:33 pm“For the record, if either Bush or Cheney are guilty of treason, they should be impeached and convicted as well.
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 12:18 pm”
Then I EXPECT you to start petitioning Congress to do that…..
Bush and Cheney are guilty of TREASON…. Air Force One was threatend using CODED LANGUAGE on 9/11…… Only someone in the government could know that AF1’s codename was (Angel)….. Since Bush did nothing regarding this threat, he is part of the plot, which MAKES HIM A TRAITOR!
Get to calling Congress for that trial!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThe left needs to get Little Laura’s photo from the archives wearing her scarf, too!! Heh.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:34 pmFor the record, since a sitting President (and arguably Vice President) cannot be indicted directly, either Bush or Cheney would have to be impeached FIRST for any alleged treason — of course, if either was removed from office and later convicted in a court of law for any capital-offense (and not pardoned), they should be executed as well.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:34 pmDear Mr. Jake
cah – roh – sen – yor – jayk
I always enjoy reading what you have to say.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:35 pmtee – rah – day – mee – pay – pee – nee – yo
Have Americans had their fill of Bush Sh*t yet?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:35 pmTalk about aid and comfort, the US has released $25 million to the North Korean military dictatorship as a bribe to stop producing nuclear weapons.
Yeppp…aiding and comforting an axis of evil member.
The US also allowed the North Koreans to sell military weapons to Ethiopia in violation of an arms embargo too.
Talk about soft on terrorism.
-GSD
April 11th, 2007 at 12:35 pmJake is a “fake” – a Bushbot Troll who is looking for a friend but going about it entirely the wrong way. Pathetic. Sad. Lonely little slimebag who is needy and desirous of attention; albeit it negative attention, it’s attention all the same. Feel sorry for him and move on. He’s definitely not worth the time it takes to have interactive discussion with.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pmLast time I checked, the U.S. Speaker of the House does not have a Secretary of State or Defense in order to “apply pressure” to any FOREIGN threat. Defund the war, if you must — that’s not necessarily treason — but the President is Constitutionally the face of America to foreign threats.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:37 pmFor the record (I thought this was obvious, but I guess not), I do not think either Bush or Cheney are guilty of treason — I also don’t think there was another shooter on the Grassy Knoll — Elvis is STILL dead, last time I checked Graceland too ; )
April 11th, 2007 at 12:39 pmYes, when we discuss treason seriously, just take a gander at the new movie: Improbable Collapse….and then ask youself whom may be guilty of treason? Yes, and of course, the facts about the threat against Air Force One on 911….yeparoo! The facts are pouring in, the scientists are weighting in, and Kucinich is re-opening 911 because the official story now appears to be far from what actually occurred.
Of course, when a president sits reading My Pet Goat and is obviously NOT the least bit concerned about his own safety, well, we know what was going on there…..
so, yes, the american people need to begin talking about treason – but not superficially and inanely, but specifically and directly about this administration’s own activities.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:39 pmTrolls are irrelevant spinmeisters, lacking substance, factual data, and cognitive reasoning. Don’t feed the trolls. They’re contaminated “damaged goods” and you will only catch some of their necrotic karma by engaging them directly.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:41 pmNancy Pelosi IS #3 in command – that ends any further discussion about what she can and cannot do. In fact, she heads an arm of our government “equal to” that of Bush….it’s a very moot point to continue debating her ability to travel anywhere she chooses.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pmRepublicans don’t like Pelosi, because Republicans are too chickenshit to talk to the “bad guys” themselves.
She just makes the GOP look even more stupid, as if it were possible.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pm#21, we are at war with Israel and Syria? When did that happen, did I miss the news recently? Dumba…
April 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pmThe State Dept. authorized the trip and supplied the flight. Show us anywhere that she presented any opinion contrary to our current foreign policy. Please keep in mind we have an active Embassy in Syria so we are on speaking terms with them.
Last time I checked we had 3 coequal branches of government with proper checks and balances.
The Bushmen are so restless.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:43 pmBelgium government should refuse to accept Sam Fox as US Ambassador to their country. He is not qualified for that position and is just a Bush butt kisser stooge.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“For the record (I thought this was obvious, but I guess not), I do not think either Bush or Cheney are guilty of treason — I also don’t think there was another shooter on the Grassy Knoll — Elvis is STILL dead, last time I checked Graceland too ; )
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 12:39 pm”
Then by all means explain what you do call not doing anything on 9/11 when a threat comes in that ONLY someone high up in the government would know???? Not doing anything to protect 3,000 Americans is by DEFINITION TREASON…
What is treason to you??? Here is the definition of TREASON:
“In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one’s nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: “…[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].” ”
Oh… And for JFK….
Who killed JFK?
According to Hunt’s confession, which was taken by his son, St. John (”Saint”) Hunt, over the course of many personal and carefully planned father-son meetings, the following individuals were among the key participants:
Lyndon B. Johnson: LBJ, whose own career was assisted by JFK nemesis J. Edgar Hoover (FBI), gave the orders to a CIA-led hit team, and helped guide the Warren Commission/lone gunman cover-up.
Cord Meyer: CIA agent, architect of the Operation Mockingbird disinformation apparatus, and husband of Mary Meyer (who had an affair with JFK).
David Atlee Philips: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Recruited William Harvey (CIA) and Cuban exile militant Antonio Veciana.
William Harvey: CIA and Bay of Pigs veteran. Connected to Mafia figures Santos Trafficante and Sam Giancana.
Antonio Veciana: Cuban exile, founder of CIA-backed Alpha 66.
Frank Sturgis: CIA operative, mercenary, Bay of Pigs veteran, and later Watergate figure.
David Morales: CIA hit man, Bay of Pigs veteran. Morales was also a figure involved with the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy.
Lucien Sarti: Corsican assassin and drug trafficker, possible “French gunman,” Grassy Knoll (second) shooter.
http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm
April 11th, 2007 at 12:45 pmJake,
We are not at war with Syria. So how can the action of Republican and Democratic congresspeople going to hold meetings with them, constitute a traitorous offense?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:45 pmNo one has mentioned the Washington Post in this sordid affair.
I have always felt as if I were the only one who has been onto the Washington Post’s hypocrisy of pretending to be a Progressive paper, while keeping a constant regressive editorial policy, since I first started reading the rag in 1968.
They are now showing their TRUE colors. While the folks at the Post are still filthy regressives, at least they are not hypocrites anymore. They are what the have ALWAYS been, but now they are out in the open!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:48 pmLOL — you guys talk about treason “seriously” then, and Pelosi being #3 in command (of what?? she is #1 in command of the House of Representatives — so, did you just demote her?) and don’t forget that Building #7 could “never” have fallen without explosives — did you also hear the one about NO JEWS dying on 9/11?
For the record, if anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” wants to discuss treason by the Dems, let me know.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:48 pm“… (but) the president is Constitutionaly the face of America to foreign threats”
Precisely the problem the majority of American citizens wish to fix.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:49 pmCrump’s Brother (I thought you requested to be on the “Ignore List”?):
With Iraq off the Axis of Evil, there’s an opening for Syria. Regardless, we ARE at war with terrorists, and Syria is supporting and harboring terrorists — see Bush Doctrine. BTW: elections have consequences — the GOP Congressmen are not in “command” of anything — Speaker Pelosi is.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:52 pmFor the record, a 2/3 majority of Congress can impeach and remove Bush anytime they wish.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:52 pm“Well, for a lying, fact manufacturing shill of the Republican Party, he has an appropriate name.
Fox, we distort, you drink the Kool-Aid.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — April 11, 2007 ”
What lies are you referring to?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:53 pmThis is a non-story receiving it’s only publicity and forum here and on other hate sites. This is either done through the willful ignorance of the diary author or through the complicity of “management” in ensuring that the message get through.
Good job.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:54 pm“For the record, if anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to discuss treason by the Dems, let me know.
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 12:48 pm”
How about you provide a NON PLAGERIZED list of your military history?????
Let’s start there, then we’ll see……
April 11th, 2007 at 12:54 pm#56,
The “terrorists” are the Americans, not the Syrians.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“we feel their actions are disgusting
Comment by veritas — April 11, 2007″
What actions are you referring to?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“Yep, Fox’s real name is very descriptive – except that he will be “out-foxed†by the people who are onto his game. This guy looks like a criminal and acts like one. It’s no wonder the people have rejected him.
Comment by veritas — April 11, 2007″
The people haven’t rejected him, fools like you have!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:56 pmJake,
Can you please link to a Declaration of War against the tactic of terrorism.
If we are at war with those who support or harbor terrorists, and if (as you seem to imply) meeting with those who perform the acts of support, constitutes treason, then shouldn’t Dick Cheney be in the same spot for meeting with leaders of Saudi Arabia?
(And I never requested to be put on any ignore list. I actually enjoy debating as long as it is substantive)
April 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pmI propose several more trips to Syria for Pelosi and several boxcars filled with Depends for the whining reichwing. Love to watch the girlymen and skanks get outraged.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pmDear Mr. Jake
cah – roh – sen – yor – jayk
Your knowledge and logic are impeccable.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:58 pmtee – enn – ess – lah – een – tell – ee – hen – see – ya – day – oon – nah – pool – gah
“Let’s find out precisely who the other five Republicans were? Let’s find out about the ones whose visit preceeded Pelosi’s so they could begin to strongarm Assad into not divulging what he knows about how we are outsourcing torture….let’s open that huge can of worms for the Republican Party. When that happens, there will be no need for a campaign because absolutely NO Republican will EVER be elected to public office in this country again.
Comment by veritas — April 11, 2007″
Blah blah blah! What torture are you talking about?
April 11th, 2007 at 12:58 pm“and Dub wants to appoint this guy as an ambassador?
Comment by hil — April 11, 2007″
He already has! Duh!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWhen did they get wireless at McDonalds, michael?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:01 pmHow long do they let you sit there before you have to buy something?
Something that keep’s coming to mind with this administration….They spend all their time spinning and lieing, killing messengers on and on when with a tiny bit of intelect they could of turned all this around to their favor by applauding Palosi and the bunch that went with her and the repug’s that went a few day’s before..It’s been made public Speaker Palosi and all involved actuely did no harm and indeed did do what the whores in the white house should of been doing all along….The simplistick, evil mindset of this bunch is beyond pale…..When people do good thing’s they should be praised, but then as usual bull shit bush’s idea of good is far diffrent the rest of the world…It’s impossible to understand what mass murderer’s for progit are thinking……Blessings
April 11th, 2007 at 1:01 pmFor the record, if anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to discuss treason by the Dems, let me know.
Comment by Jake
Hey, Jake, there’s a guy posting on redstate who wants to discuss this with you. His screen name is As. You ought to go there and have a meaninful discussion.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#5 – Regardless of the funding source(s), if Pelosi is guilty of treason, she should be tried, convicted, and executed.
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
#21 – P.S. where I come from, aid and comfort to the enemy DURING A WAR (by the Speaker of the House no less) was always considered “wrong†YMMV no doubt.
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Holy crack-smoking bobble-headed jesus-fondling psycho-babbling wanna-be-relevant-but-fail hallucinogenic cr*p, batman!
Truly, you are a lunatic on so many levels Jake. Certifiable. Well, at least you’re eligible for the certificate if anyone cared to get you the help you sorely need.
1. We are not at war. If we were at war, you would know because Congress would pass a Declaration of War. You know, to declare… war. So it would be declared. So people who don’t know any better – say, you – would know.
2. Syria is not the enemy. Hell, they’re not even part of the Axis of Evil. They’re just a country full of brown people you’ve never met, who don’t really care what’s good for us, because we don’t care what’s good for them.
3. Pelosi didn’t do anything at least a dozen Republicans were doing at the same time – she just did it better (right-wingers hate any policy that isn’t led Alpha-Dog style by someone with a penis, and Republican politicians hate more than anything else not being the top news-getter).
April 11th, 2007 at 1:04 pmGive the disinformation to mikey. He’ll swallow anything.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:04 pmCrump’s Brother:
My mistake then, and here is a link to the AUMF (the President also has the inherent authority to repel Invasions and therefore pre-empt terrorists from pulling off another 9/11 or worse):
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/terrorism/sjres23.es.html
VP Cheney’s meeting was AUTHORIZED and with an ALLY in this war (we didn’t completely trust Stalin during WWII but he was still an ally, right?).
April 11th, 2007 at 1:04 pmFox is a NeoCon, and he funds the NeoCons because they help him stay the way he is and/or help him to get richer without working too hard.
He is a leech on society who depends on the gullibiliy of trolls like Jake and michael to help him con the public. Leeches are leeches and trolls will be trolls.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThe Reichwing puts Israel FIRST….America, a distant second.. off to that crappy little desert strip of land for all of you traitors.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI propose that Republicans fly the cute baby blue Star of David Flag at their place of residence and business to show their true allegiance.
A very weak argument Thinkprogress. You “debunked†the Post opinion using hearsay from (gasp!) Pelosi herself.
There’s a reason why hearsay is inadmissable evidence–it has very little credibility. To use hearsay to attempt debunking the opinion piece leaves Thinkprogress with very little credibility.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI think my post got deleted. Oh well, I called Jake an idiot.
Jake, you’re an idiot.
It’s tough, considering you have the capacity to be reasonable, but you actively choose not to be. Please consider embracing reality.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:11 pm“I propose that Republicans fly the cute baby blue Star of David Flag at their place of residence and business to show their true allegiance.”
Comment by Sue
Sue – Having a Jewish mom who missed being human charcoal by months, may I suggest you anti-Semites fly cute little swastikas at your homes and work places so we know where to avoid. If you treat your “friends” as you suggest we treat our allies, I count myself fortunate NOT to be YOUR friend…..
April 11th, 2007 at 1:12 pmcut the sh*t Valiant Venus . You are not Jewish, not a woman and not a lawyer. Your name is Jeffrey Shawn out of Chicago.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:16 pmJake,
Your link is not a declaration of war. However, we should take a look at the authorization to use force.
I like the very first line. “To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States. ”
Iraq was not responsible. Syria was not responsible. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Suadi’s.
While the president does have the authority to repel invasions, the terror attacks are not acts of invasion. They are acts of terror. The War of 1812 would have been an act of invasion. There is not state here that we are at war with. They are definitively different. If we used your logic, would the president not be able to invade any country at will so long as he “thought” there was a threat? That sounds a lot like the doctrine of Germany in the late 1930’s (NOTE: I am in no way comparing Bush to Hitler.)
April 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pmIf Israel and their agents are F’ing with my country it is my patriotic duty to throw them all the F out. Not buying the the anti-semitism trump card VV. You fraud.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:19 pm“A very weak argument Thinkprogress. You “debunked†the Post opinion using hearsay from (gasp!) Pelosi herself.
There’s a reason why hearsay is inadmissable evidence–it has very little credibility. To use hearsay to attempt debunking the opinion piece leaves Thinkprogress with very little credibility.
Comment by JT — April 11, 2007 @ 1:09 pm”
I’m wondering why you are not as up in arms about the government using “hearsay” information in trial cases????? Or even infromation obtained under TORCHER?
I know why…… You don’t care about America or what we once stood for!!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pmYou go Sue……
April 11th, 2007 at 1:25 pmSue – Having a Jewish mom who missed being human charcoal by months, may I suggest you anti-Semites fly cute little swastikas at your homes and work places so we know where to avoid. Comment by valiant venus — April 11, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Yet, amazingly you’ve turned out to be a little skinny nazi. That’s really interesting irony. By the way, the rhetoric that led to the charcoal of the Jews mirrors nicely with your *Koranimal* rhetoric. Adolph would be proud of your blanked hatred of others.
If you treat your “friends†as you suggest we treat our allies, I count myself fortunate NOT to be YOUR friend….. Comment by valiant venus — April 11, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
As do we count ourselves fortunate to not have YOU as our friend. Friends like you rob from our pockets, to line their cronies, they refuse to protect our children so they can protect their friends, and they claim a culture of life, while leaving actual children unprotected.
You’re no friend to anyone but yourself. Even your friendship to Israel is unpopular in Israel, where the majority of Israelis disagree with our attack on Iraq. Bet you didn’t know that – did you st*pid c*nt?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:26 pmVP Cheney’s meeting was AUTHORIZED and with an ALLY in this war (we didn’t completely trust Stalin during WWII but he was still an ally, right?).
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Jake, I am not trying to be a jerk, or name call, or anything like that. I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Remember, Bush knew in advance of Pelosi’s trip to Syria. If you feel that she should be tried for treason, do you feel the same way about all of the republicans that went to Syria as well. Reps, Aderholt, Wolf, and Issa just recently returned from there. Do you feel that Halliburton, a company that handles a tremendous amount of sensitive military information for our country, should continue to do business with Iran? Personally, I believe they should lose all military contracts immediately.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:26 pmYou said that Saudi is our ally, but have been very vocal about their support for the Sunni insurgents (you know, the one’s our soldiers in Iraq were fighting against just yesterday?)
We should not be surprised – not at Sam Fox, not at the rethuglican campaign against Pelosi, not at the lengths and depths to which they will go in manufacturing their smears and lies, then saturating the media with them until people believe them.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:27 pmSEND OUT THE PICS OF CONDI AND LAURA BUSH IN HEAD SCARVES….FRIGGIN HYPOCRITES!!!!
April 11th, 2007 at 1:28 pmIf Israel and their agents are F’ing with my country it is my patriotic duty to throw them all the F out. Not buying the the anti-semitism trump card VV. You fraud. Comment by Sue — April 11, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
In Venomous P*n*s’ world, any criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, but her criticism of Islam, and the Arab world (including her racist remarks about bombing them back to riding camels) she thinks are not anti-semitism.
She’s such a hateful, st*pid little hypocrite. No wonder she’s only 23, and anorexic. What a f’d up little piece of sh*t she is.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:28 pm“How about you provide a NON PLAGERIZED list of your military history?????
Let’s start there, then we’ll see……
Comment by RemoveBush — April 11, 2007 @ 12:54 pm”
Still waiting…..
April 11th, 2007 at 1:28 pmCrump’s Brother:
That’s a nice title. Here’s the first FULL paragraph a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
Saudi Arabia is our ally NOW, regardless of what they were on 9/11. Heads up: Japan is our ally now too, regardless of 12/7. At the very least, Syria HAS aided and harbored terrorists — you need me to double-check whether any were technically al Qaeda? I actually think the operative language “in order to prevent ANY future acts of international terrorism against the United States” is broad enough to attack ANYONE Bush deems a threat — if not, he doesn’t need Congressional authorization to do that anyways — try convincing the people of NYC they were not “invaded” on 9/11.
BTW: I thought Bush was being criticised for NOT connecting the dots prior to 9/11. You are really going to criticize him for connecting dots afterwards TOO?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:29 pmMore crap from M.A./VV….A jewish mother, that would be jewess, right.? Let’s see the write up’s now include, catholic, christian something, lawyer with 3-minu
April 11th, 2007 at 1:33 pms 1 children….bush bot paid to troll….LOL..And at some point outed as a 23 year old, anerexic, loner that sit’s at a desk posting lies and drival all day….Hey, M.A. ask heir leader where BenLauden is would ya, it would make for some interesting comment’s on one of your post’s….Something you have been lacking all along….Blessings, you need the…I’m leaving for the day so you can pull your usual junk of slamming for bush….
” Not buying the the anti-semitism trump card VV. You fraud.”
Comment by Sue
Of course not….Then you might have to admit you’re as big a phony POS as the Euro’s – you remember, so many of whom looked away while their neighbours were carted off…Or the ones who welcomed and helped the Nazi’s…with friends like Vichy France, Austrians, contemporary Euro anti-Semites and “Sue and Co.” who needs enemies?
I did read a clever little Prob blogger who noted how many of the worlds problems would ‘go away if there was no Israel’…..I’ll try to did up that fetid “human’s” name……
April 11th, 2007 at 1:34 pmDon’t get me started on the unconstitutional War Powers Act either ; )
April 11th, 2007 at 1:35 pmJake is an old man with nothing better to do than sit at his computer and derail TP every day.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:37 pmHe destroys every thread – he makes no sense – he is effective, though because so many people answer him and we are witness to dozens of back-and-forth meaningless debates.
Ignore him and hopefully he will STFU and go away.
“Don’t get me started on the unconstitutional War Powers Act either ; )
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 1:35 pm”
Good, don’t start on that……
Start on this….
“How about you provide a NON PLAGERIZED list of your military history?????
Let’s start there, then we’ll see……
Comment by RemoveBush — April 11, 2007 @ 12:54 pmâ€
Still waiting…..
Comment by RemoveBush — April 11, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
April 11th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThat’s an interesting paragraph:
IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
Bush can look the other way at the true perpetrators and blame anyone he determines…
Bush can invade any country he determines…
Bush can lock up any citizen he determines…
In those two words, “he determines,” America ceased to be a Constitutional Republic and became a Dictatorship.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:39 pmWhere Art Thou, Crump’s Brother?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHey, M.A./V.V How about the bush family legacy, you know…..Good old Prescott Bush and all his help to the Nazi party.?..Any comment’s on that one?….He was fined as I recall…Your backing the wrong bunch sweet cheek’s…….Blessings, you realy need them
April 11th, 2007 at 1:42 pmJake,
I have never criticized the Pres for not connecting the dots pre 9-11. I do however believe he has been completely wrong about the dots afterward. So yes I will criticize him for that.
He told us that Iraq was tied to al-qaeda which they were not. Iraq had nothing to do with that attack, and they had no plans to perform any such attack on us that anyone is aware of.
I would agree that Authorization of Force does allow the President to have unending war at will. I personally don’t think that is a postitive thing. That’s why I have asked my congressioanl delegation to rework that authorization. I do not think the President has inherent constitutional authority to wage war at will just because he sees a threat. Do you honestly believe the founders intended that document to be read in that way?
But I do think you need to check the military dictionary for better definition of terms. While I’m not a military by any means, I’m quite certain that war can only legally be declared on other states. And I’m certain that an “invasion” must constitute some level of military force by an aggressive state.
A terrorist attack, is not an act of invasion. If that is your logic, then I guess the Oklahoma City bombing was an invasion by who? The Christian Right?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:43 pmSaudi Arabia is our ally NOW, regardless of what they were on 9/11.
Comment by Jake — April 11, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
And that, in one sentence, sums up the republican’s position.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI answered that over on the FBI thread, Crump’s Brother.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#96,
Careful. Many here find the red pill unpalatable and prefer the illusion.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:50 pmJust for Jakes short memory retention…16 of the 19 WTC killer’s were fron Saudi Arabia and bought and paid for by the prince and his wife…Remember now brain dead jake.?….Blessings, your another one that realy need’s them
April 11th, 2007 at 1:53 pmFor the record, I don’t have short memory retention — for instance, we didn’t completely trust Stalin during WWII but he was still an ally too — it happens sometimes. If anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” has a question for me, let me know.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:57 pmJake supports one piece of legislation (AUMF) but doesn’t another (War Powers Act). Funny but the AUMF references Section 5(b) of the War Powers Act.
So Jake ignore me but understand that you are picking and choosing what little pieces fit your ideas and discarding all that contradict your preconceived notions.
Where are the 60 day reports to congress on the status. That’s Sec 4 in the AUMF Bushman.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWho said “no war without Egypt, no peace without Syria”?
It sounds like Pelosi is only paraphrasing.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pmBushman Jake is full of self importance. The only good he does is to solidify the rationale against the twisted logic of his and the like.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:03 pmFor the record, Bush’s signing statement and every subsequent “report” to Congress has highlighted the Executive branch’s uninterrupted disagreement as to the applicability of the War Powers Act. Anyone (NOT on the “Ignore List”) who has a question about that, please let me know.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pmDear Mr. Jake
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Am I on your ignore list?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:11 pm¿kay – coh – lor – ess – ell – see – ay – loh – en – su – moon – doh – cha – lah – doh?
108. Prove that. Show that this administration has been following the AUMF by giving updated reports every 60 days. Show that Bushman Jake. It’s pretty sad what has been exposed about you. Taking someone else’s military history and making it your own is indefensible.
As one who served, you disgust me.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:16 pmJake – Goood job illustrating selective quotes and “reasoning”…..Keep up the good work!
April 11th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI recommend Jake and anyone else who’s interested in our Saudi “friends” take a look at http://www.sauduction.com. I know it won’t change your tune, Jake, but it’ll make your tic that much worse.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:22 pmRegardless of the funding source(s), if Pelosi is guilty of treason, she should be tried, convicted, and executed.
Also, regardless of any other bullzhit,
If Bush is convicted of TREASON (outing CIA operatives) and WAR CRIMES (starting wars based on LIES that cause our soldiers to DIE needlessly),
HE should be tried convicted and EXECUTED.
By a US Army firing squad of soldiers who were PERMANENTLY maimed and wounded because of TRAITOR Bush’s LIES.
RIGHT, “jakeoff”??
April 11th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWhy hello Mighty aka venus. Glad to see you groundhog it every once in awhile.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#90 he did not connect the dots prior to 911 because he did not care that the dots existed. SInnce 911 he has sought out speciific dots and put them together in his own fashion.
Saudi is our Allie now regardless of what they were on 911? Do you know anything about what you are talkign about? They have not changed one iota since prior to 911. In fact recently the Saudis in a round about way said the US shoudl get out of Iraq. The Saudi’s also said they woudl fund the sunni’s in Iraq (pssst Al Queda = Sunni) Though not all Sunni are Alqueda.
#94 I would bet my life saviings that Jake is nto an old man and that he is either a sad pathetic lonely individual or he is sitiing in a room somewhere wiha bunch of other paid shills. I can’t remember if it was here or elswhere but once one of the more invasive obnoxious trolls said he does what he does on the site because that’s what he gets paid to do. I would nto be one bit surpriised if jake is that same guy under a new cover.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pmJake the Joke: “P.S. where I come from, aid and comfort to the enemy DURING A WAR (by the Speaker of the House no less) was always considered “wrong†YMMV no doubt.”
Here’s a golden oldie for you Joke: “I’m on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we’re running out of cruise missles. I can’t tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we’re almost out of cruise missles.”
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-Senator Inhofe (R-OK )
During a war, the Senator stated classified information publically that our military was running out of ammo. Nobody at the Washington Post said a word…
April 11th, 2007 at 2:58 pmKind of sad that Mr. Fox had to spend that much of his own money on the Swift boat stuff (and this Pelosi thing as well) — just to get the information out there that should have been provided by the MSM. Even after the Swiftboaters did their work for them, the MSM refused to cover it for a while. Incredible bias.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:00 pmEven after the Swiftboaters did their work for them, the MSM refused to cover it for a while. Incredible bias. Comment by Cynicon Implant — April 11, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
That’s because it wasn’t true. The bias was to not print lies, and when the press did cover it, all they did was cover “the swiftboaters claim”, all of which turned out to be a lie.
The *fact* that you still don’t admit it was a lie, even though Fox did before congress, just shows the world what an ignorant, hypocritical and *biased* fool you are. You’re really mentally ill, you hate filled piece of sh*t nitwit. And now you want us to believe your new set of *lies*, when you won’t admit the last set of discredited lies are such? You’re an idiot, a st*pid childish little idiot.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:05 pmWhat Senator Inhofe said is Treason. Treason I tell you. I’m sure that patriotic bushman Jake would agree that he should be tried, convicted and then executed like all traitors should. Telling the enemy we are almost out of a certain weapon is like showing them the game plan. Disgraceful.
April 11th, 2007 at 3:14 pmTo the Republican Jewish Coalition board of directors and officers (see below), I say: “Turn in your Kippot. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness”.
April 11th, 2007 at 4:15 pmhttp://www.rjchq.org/
Leonard Abramson , Board of Directors
Sheldon G. Adelson , Board of Directors
Jeffrey Altman , General Counsel
Wayne Berman , Board of Directors
Ken Bialkin , Board of Directors
Ronald H. Bloom , Board of Directors
Elliott Broidy , Board of Directors
Matthew Brooks , Executive Director
Bradley Cohen , Board of Directors
Charles M. Diker , Board of Directors
Stephen Distler , Board of Directors
Lewis M. Eisenberg , Board of Directors
Michael David Epstein , Board of Directors
David M. Flaum , National Chairman, Board of Directors
Ari Fleischer , Board of Directors
Richard J. Fox , Former Chairman, Board of Directors
David Frum , Board of Directors
Joel Geiderman , Board of Directors
Tony Gelbart , Board of Directors
Marc Goldman , Board of Directors
Cheryl Halpern , Former Chairman, Board of Directors
Joel Hoppenstein , Board of Directors
Howard Jonas , Board of Directors
Sheldon (Shelly) Kamins , Board of Directors
George Klein , Former Chairman, Board of Directors
Eliot Lauer , Board of Directors
Laurence Carroll Leeds , Board of Directors
Larry Levine , Board of Directors
Mark Lezell , Board of Directors
Marc Lipschultz , Board of Directors
Earle I. Mack , Board of Directors
Bernard Marcus , Board of Directors
Jeffrey Marcus , Board of Directors
Ken Mehlman , Board of Directors
Larry A. Mizel , Board of Directors
Morris Offit , Board of Directors
Ronald Plotkin , Board of Directors
Marvin Pomerantz , Board of Directors
J. Philip Rosen , Board of Directors
Lindsay Rosenwald , Board of Directors
Alan Sager , Board of Directors
Richard Sambol , Board of Directors
Leonard Sands , Board of Directors
Fred Sands , Board of Directors
Jay Schottenstein , Board of Directors
Martin Selig , Board of Directors
Mel Sembler , Board of Directors
Florence Shapiro , Board of Directors
Mark Siegel , Board of Directors
Ned L. Siegel , Board of Directors
Walter Stern , Board of Directors
Myles Tanenbaum , Board of Directors
Allen Tessler , Board of Directors
James Tisch , Board of Directors
Ronald Weiser , Board of Directors
Fred Zeidman , Board of Directors
not having ever really posted anything on blogs and stuff, I have taken the time to read what people think. and I have got to say the Jacka$$ Jack, Bigot Michael, and that Venus what ever have got to be they worst excuses for humans that I have ever witnessed, you three and that fireturd as just plain idiots, and I hate you.
April 11th, 2007 at 4:16 pm[...] Hamsher has more details on the Republican Jewish Coalition, which is bankrolling a series of attack ads on Speaker Pelosi (D-CA) over her trip to Syria: “The board is quite the rogues gallery and [...]
April 11th, 2007 at 5:15 pmComment by Buck Fush — April 11, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
There’s many more idiots for you to feel the same way about.
The first time I read your name I cracked up. Very funny.
April 11th, 2007 at 5:29 pm[...] just saw this disgusting ad smearing Speaker (and upcoming JJB Dinner “Special Guest”) Nancy Pelosi on [...]
April 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThe people haven’t rejected him（Ｆï½ï½˜ï¼‰, fools like you have!
Comment by michael
Mikey,
April 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pmYour hero Dumbya made a recess appointment after Fox’s nomination was ostensibly withdrawn because it was obvious that he (Fox) would be rejected by the Senate.
BTW, I’m still waiting for you to tell me what illustrious graduates you supposedly superior private high school produced. Zero, eh?
Jewish power rears its head again. My fellow Americans, your blood is being spilled for the Glory of a Greater Israel. Bow down to your masters. You are goy, slaves.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:29 pm[...] RJC is running a shamelessly deceptive ad against Pelosi; read about it and watch it at Think Progress. [...]
April 11th, 2007 at 10:25 pmI am amazed by the content of the clip.
As we all know, here are some real facts:
- The Israelis president is under investigation for sexual harassement of his female staff
- The prime Minister of Israel is under investigation for corruption
- The defense minister of israel is under investigation for corruption
- The previous prime minister of Isreal (Sharon) was under investigation (including his son) for corruption, sharon is known as responsible for war crime against kids, women and elders in lebanon in 1982
- Israelis politicians are laiers and do never respect any UN decision (withoput any outcome)
- Israelis are occupants of land that is not theirs illegally (Syria, Palestine and some land in Lebanon) nobody says even a word
- Isrealis own mass destruction weapons including nuclear weapons that we forbid iranians ti have (go understand the logic), imagine yourself forbiden to on a mercedes while your neighbour can
and more.
Wake up. Some writers here are victims of the Faux (fox) propaganda, American citizens are hostage of strong lobbies, they cannot bbe critical to isreal, it is halarious anytime you say the facts you are being singled as antisemetic, this is a real terrorism o another kind more dangereous of the AlQaeda one since it concerns our freedom of speech and fairness.
Take care
April 11th, 2007 at 10:46 pmYou keep kicking George’s ass, nancy. Repug wingnuts, F*ck off.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:31 pmTHE SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR RED Sam FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY Bush
April 12th, 2007 at 12:08 amTHE SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR RED Sam FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY Bush
THE SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR RED Sam FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY Bush
THE SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR RED Sam FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY Bush
THE SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR RED Sam FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY Bush
THE SWIFT-BOAT-SMEAR RED Sam FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY Bush, FELL INTO THE MOAT, AND DROWNED!!!! GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!!! HAH!!!!!
Keep on blabbing you LKK (Liberal Klux Klan)
Keep destroying our Country. Liberalism is a mental disease; United we stand.. Devided we.. stand?
Lock the borders, and throw Pelosi in jail. Her Angenda is simple, undermine the commander in chief, hide behind a false agenda; and pretend to be doing it for us.
April 12th, 2007 at 12:14 amPropaganda! Or perhaps chutzpa!
April 12th, 2007 at 1:16 amCan someone please point out ONE, ONE freaking part of this video that is false? When will you people wake up? Seriously, snap out of it.
But if you really want to put me in my place, pin point where this add went wrong.
April 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amBut if you really want to put me in my place, pin point(SIC) where this add(SIC) went wrong.
Comment by xman
The ad doesn’t add up, first because there is absolutely no mention of the Republicans who went to Syria before, after as well as with Pelosi, hypocrite-man. Moreover, the Baker/Hamilton Iraq Study Group recommended talking with Iraq’s neighbors. Why don’t you pinpoint what is wrong with talking to countries where the US still has an Embassy? Reagan, Nixon, etc. regularly met with officials of the Soviet Union. Nixon even went to China before the US set up an Embassy there, hypocrite-man.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmWhen is jake going to be tried for being a total freaking moron?
April 13th, 2007 at 9:27 amI feel that the Bush administration has taken lessons from Hitler. Never in the history of America have we had so much corruption in a presidential administration.
I would NEVER trust Bush, Cheney, or ANYONE in the Swift Boat liarr group, and that is what they are, liars.
I am not kidding, even though I post things like that, it makes me tense, because so many in this administration are like members of the Gestapo.
Most fo them should be behind bars.
Please God, give them their “just dues”, and protect me from their (the Bush administration) evil. A-Men
April 13th, 2007 at 11:17 pm